In his example, his MWD burns out. If yours doesn't, make sure you turn it off. Mine stayed on, ballooned my sig radius, and caused the worm to break my tank in three shots. MWD has sig radius as a penalty, and it is a huge effect. As soon as you scram him, shut off your prop.
RIP HateLess... I miss you dude. This is the first vid I am rewatching since you've been gone and your voice is making me miss you even more. Thank you as always for such an informative vid.
I rewatch his videos from time to time. Great loss to the community. I hope his channel stays active and youtube directs funds to his family and his cat
Ohhh shit... I didn't think about the cat. That cat loved him so much. That makes me sad... thinking about the cat waiting for him to come home. Life is so unfair--he was just a kid. RIP Hateless. You were a real one. :(
now these are the EVE videos worth watching!!! A very clear explanation why certain modules / skills are needed and what they do. then a "live" demo whilst explaining how to do Burners. You got a sub! I am new to the game, just over a month. Great content!!
Just adding a quick Reference note from the end of the Video: Don't use drones against Angel, Blood Raiders, or Guristas burner, the rest you can. RIP bro.
I decided to give a try after this video. Noticed resistances have changed since the date of video. I used 1 more resist module instead of a heat sink in fits. Be safe than sorry. I use long range ammo on bamtam logi, noneed to overheat. Guristas worm is the hardest them all prolly. He likes drones. Release a drone when you enter but do not engage it. Since you use mwd, drone will be behind you and worm will want to reach it, thats when he gets close to you and you catch him. Noneed to overheat. I use t1 drones. If you fuck up just align somewhere and send drones to him, he will chase them so you can get far away from scram. Thank you for the video sir, its a very good guide.
RIP buddy and thanks again for the excellent videos. Maybe worth noting that if you can afford a full set of Asklepians then all the expensive hardeners/membranes can be replaced by standard ones. I use mid-grade and have no issues at all (but I always avoid Guristas). This way it's a lot less expensive if you mess up and die, and of course the Asklepians are useful for other things.
For anyone watching, check prices!... hardeners with the same cpu/energy cost with prices going from 200kk for centus variation to core/corpus 40kk, don't slap it on multibuy in Jita without checking.
Rip Hateless, thanks for everything you have done m8. I hope you're doing good in Heaven. Just an important FYI, the Jaguar fit is outdated. I just completed it first time and I got to 40% hull. Almost lost the 600mil+ fit. I have been looking around and people are using double Hardner fit now, 1* X type Kinetic, 1* X type Explosive. 1 Fed web and 2* Republic Fleet cap batteries.
These burner videos are great. I especially like it when the cat shows up. Gotta keep the cat in future videos, makes it fun to watch while listening to all the technical mechanics of burner mission.
Hey, I have been using your Unified Burner Nergal and it works wonders. I thank very much you for that. But in case someone has Sharpshooter at level 4 (like me) and need to have 16km range on the Agent Sansa Lazy fit to make it work, you can change one Entropic Radiation Sink II with a Tracking Enhancer II and it works just fine for the Agent Sansa. I have done 3 missions with that change on live server. So Sharpshooter V is not mandatory, but it helps a lot, since you kill it faster with the more dps. The "updated" fit of the Sansa Lazy to achieve range of 16km with Sharpshooter at 4 is: [Nergal, Agent Sansha (Lazy 2)] Centii A-Type Small Armor Repairer Centus C-Type EM Armor Hardener Tracking Enhancer II Entropic Radiation Sink II Tracking Computer II Republic Fleet Small Cap Battery Target Painter II Veles Light Entropic Disintegrator Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II Small Capacitor Control Circuit II Acolyte II x5 Tracking Speed Script x1 Mystic S x500 Baryon Exotic Plasma S x500 Optimal Range Script x1
The problem may lie not in the Sharpshooter skill, but in the Assault Frigate skill, which offers 7.5% max range to Small Disintegrator. I've got Sharpshooter at V, but AF only at IV, and I can't get 16km. Edit: Just tested on TQ, and switching to Mystic and tracking speed script works very fine. Success after having fired 40 Mystic.
Sansha Burner agent: I seem to hit more with entropic when the tracking computer has tracking speed in and Mystic for ammo. Still 17KM range and the burner stays within 16km. Usually 15KM
Just run Gustistas agent. My battery burnt out but not the MWD or scram. The agent died exactly at the moment when my cap ran out. IMPORTANT: if your MWD doesn't burn out, do not forget to turn it off!!! Otherwise, you're blooming 500% sig, and the agent will eat you alive.
I have been using these guides but I like to use the reactive armor hardener instead of using two specific resist types. I find it to be just as effective and more cost efficient. These guides have been amazing overall!
@@Triggernlfrl since you’re going to be armor tanked your shield resistances are irrelevant. Mostly they get immediately shredded and you’re relying on base armor alone anyway. Better off to make your armor as resistant as possible over any shield. Any shield resistances will be wasted.
@@Triggernlfrl reactive hardener gives 60% resistances over the incoming damage type. It starts out at 15% spread over each type then as you take damage, it reacts and adjusts the damage type, hence being called reactive hardener. So in these missions when you’re taking thermal damage, for example, it will change to 0% of the other resistance types and will give you 60% resist towards thermal. Again, you’re relying on armor tanking so shields and hull are fairly irrelevant.
@@brandong5450 Owe that is the clue. Did not know that about being reactive. Than it is logical indeed. Nice module! Time to go drive some armor ships to fill my xp gap;) Thanks for anwser!
well this morning i lost my nergal, i thought I followed the instructions but going back over the video i realised 2 things, I didnt switch on the hardener i only pressed OH, i pressed keep at range and not approach, Thanks for the videos they really are good. you still need to use your brain though. replaced the nergal already
Team Jaguar is much easier if you swap an Entropic Radiation Sink for an Multispectrum Energized Membrane in the lower slot. It takes roughly 15% longer but the tank holds much better.
I have noticed that in the burner team hawk that it is continually locking up my drones even after recall and redeploy but to combat this I overheated the turret as it can take heat very well. The hawk went down really fast few seconds. take into consideration that I have thermodynamics to lvl5
Note to those who cheaped out, like I did, and got the T2 Disintegrator and not the Veles faction...Baryon ammo with the tracking range script will NOT work for Lazy Succubus. You will be a half km short and unable to reach the succubus and caught in an unending circle. Sacrificing drones will be the only way to get away if that's the only ammo you have. (ahem...looks around , yeah that was me) T2 Disintegrator with Mystic and tracking SPEED script smokes the succubus in under 2 minutes. I would miss occasionally with the range script but even without it I would still be IN range so I swapped it. Much enhanced application.
Note to self....REMEMBER to deploy drones. Jaguar almost got me. Whole bottom rack was fried from heat due to drones going out way way late. I'm a knucklehead
I didn't realize how much Dps can this or the Dramavik spool out untill I got a Dramavik some days ago... this ships are incredible... I got 250 Dps on My Dramavik and T1 light Entropic against a BS Drone... plus drones... 300 DPS... All T1... insane...
Thanks for great tutorial! Writing in December 2021, I tested most(not Jaguar because I didn't get it so far) and the fits work. The Guristas seems to be able to break my tank in the end so I don't know if logging off and orbiting the beacon in case you burn your scrambler would work and too afraid to test it just to see what happens; so far I've killed the Guristas 3 times but I use A-type hardner.
the drone bandwidth is unchanged- i had a warp core stab installed for a travel fit. I wasnt playing during the change to that module, it decreases drone bandwidth.
I found that in the Angel burner anyways, I upped the Multispec energized membrane to faction for less CPU, and was able to fit a Small NOS 2 in my other high, eliminating the need for a 5% Cap implant to remain cap stable on this fit. It also kills the burner frig much faster as he caps out his tank a lot quicker with the NOS on him.
Interesting idea. Just started doing the burners with the Nergal - done 4-5 in the last day.. I do have a 5% implant but,as yu say, the NOS will make him cap out. RIP HateLess. He died just before I came back to the game after10 years away. Bummer.
For Angel Dramiel, you can replace that 138M isk Explosive Armor Membrane with a regular old Enduriing Armor Hardener and a Small Compact Nostuferu. Cheaper and safer! RIP Hateless.
@@ShimrraJamaane I can confirm it works on the Dramiel. Why do you think it doesn't work on frigates? The only requirement is that the ship class is equal or smaller than the drainer.
@@silverfox8615 Because everytime I use the nos, the combat log shows *_"+0 GJ drained"_* when it cycles. So, it definitely doesn't work on the ones I listed.
@@ShimrraJamaane Your capacitor level has to be lower than theirs for a transfer to happen. You won't see any cap transfers until you're less than their cap, which explains why draining a smaller hull won't ever work. As most of these Nergal fits are cap stable with a big faction battery, I wouldn't expect to see that happen. But the Dramiel Burner fit, with a Hardener running is not stable for me, so the Nos actually does drain cap.
Thanks for the video. I have started to train for the fit you have posted in the description, but I'd love to see the list of all skills and theirs levels that you recommend to run this missions. I know, that you are explaining it in the video, but it's a little unclear for me, so I'd love to see then listed somewhere :) If possible. Thanks
Thanks for this! Nice to see a Nergal guide with universal rigs. What implants are you using? I did some tinkering in Pyfa and it looks like your tank is lower than what should be required for some of these burners. Are you using an Asklepian implant set?
no implants are required to run this as in the video asklepians do make it alot easier you wont need to overheat but the video was made specifically without implants
Well, I'm convinced. This is going up on my to train list after I get my Mach up and running. One day I will have nothing to train on my mission runner and can focus on my pvp pilot... One day. lol
Was taking a lot of damage by the worm, until I realized MWD was still running. careful with that, so far it's working for me. Is everything still working well? Also: I am using asklepian midgrades, gives me further safety, but dont have the cap ones. Which one do you use, recharge or cap pool? or both?
if you run a veles and not a t2 disintgrator dont bother train the weapon spec more than lvl one it doesnt apply the dmg bonus on faction launcher iirc
I can deny that the fits are obsolete. I just ran succubus (using the OD, battery, and web fit) and vengeance with these setups today and they worked fine. I just sat back and relaxed while I burned them to dust.
Alright, so I tried some kinda passive shield fit nergal that was explained in another youtuber's channel and it didn't work. It was a costly loss and in discouragement I said I'd never do an anomic mission again. Curiosity still had me by the balls though, so I tried your method here and it's a breeze. I added mid grade asklepians as well as a couple extra hardwirings for armor rep, hp and a zors hyperlink. I just did the daredevil and like you said, it was a breeze. So much of a breeze that i didn't even have to think about overheating hardeners. Hopefully this is the way for the lot of them.
Didn't kill Succubus too much times, but never earlier had a problem like yesterday - he repeated to switch to drones while at the same time moving away from me to like 28km so i lost all damage and had to start from basic damage 3 times. Better without drones at all.
@@HateLesSGaming that makes sense, thanks for getting back to me. Luckily no modules were lost so after I looted my dead ship I was only down a few hundred mil. :)
your fit in description is missing stuff that you use in the sites. Like 1x Overdrive injection system and the Medium cap battery. Not sure what else yet.
Is it safe to use 2 cap control II rigs for the anomic agent guristas? I can't get more than 1min 20s cap with his fit. Even with a cap implant. RIP Hateless.
!!!!!!Just a heads-up for anyone buying the required modules for this fit; !!!!!! There are some people doing either market manipulation with some of the modules or the demand is just much higher than the supply. Some of the modules are 100% identical with just a different name and you can get them for 600m+ cheaper than the module listed in the shopping list. Choose all the modules, especially the expensive ones, carefully and you'll save billions.
Hello! HateLesS_Gaming Can you tell me the music information that is playing from 14:08? And thanks to you, the frigate burner was completed easily. :D
Really i feel CCP changed something about burners. Now Jaguar, never had problems, but this time just luckily critted him and killed, because i was at 0% shield. 0% armor and 10% hull with burned 100% repairer and 17%left on hardener. Cruor pushed me through half of my armor, i've never had this before
I just started this for the first time today. Went through 3 or 4 of them no problem. Forgot to launch drones on Jaguar and I didn't even come close to killing it. Went back and launched drones but it was still really really close.
Awesome man! I haven’t played in a few years, but when I jump back on, I can sell off my 5 bill burner fleet and switch to this one ship operation lol, perfect. If you mess up the guristas can you still deploy a drone to get agro off of you and warp away real fast?
As 0f 11/22/2023 ive ran through all of these and the only scary one that I dont think is as safe anymore is the Gurista Agent Worm, I survived with 14% structure
Are you sure you used the correct fit and have the necessary skills? My tank is still completely stable and catch him every time with 2 cycles hot. Also turn off your MWD once you catch him or you sig radius will be gigantic.
Hey , great video and thx for all this information shared with us , i have two questions for you , if you have time to answer . First , how do you overload modules with just a direct click in the middle of it , i need to click the top part to do this and it require quite a big attention ? Second, if you take the same fitting strategy that you use for Sansha burner and use it for Gurista burner , will that work?
1 shit+click=overheat 2 not really you need to web it with a daredevil or scram it with a scram for sansha you have to web it as it uses an ab not a mwd
@@HateLesSGaming thx for the answer , still , for sansha lazy fit u don't use any web or scramble , just use the range, so will that work with the gurista ?
In my honest opinion, Jaguar is the hardest one among the frigate burners. Every time it feels like a lottery. After turning on all the modules I cross my fingers and pray for the overheated hardener to live longer than the Jaguar. Moreover, unlike other burners this damned Jaguar doesn't switch aggro to your drones after you turn off your entropic disintegrator. It literally leaves you no chance to escape if something goes terribly wrong.
IMO there's only 1 burner base worth the isk over time and that's the serpentis base. Don't do any of the others they're just dismal. It has 3 sniper Talos with 7 mil bounty each. What you use for that is a ham caracal with mwd, sneak your way through the minefield of inactive guns without getting too close to them, while angling toward the nearest Talos, get up to it, drop warriors and go ham. Rinse and repeat and burn your mwd when necessary. Take no more than a moment to loot the first wreck or you'll get nuked by the other 2 Talos. I'll find the fit and link it if I get on and remember
@@taxa1569 i feel like the angel base is the best since you get 22mil in bounty and 5 chances for faction drop while the vigilant cost sub 0.5b and its a quick mission, IMHO :)
im new to burners and natuarally afraid to loose the ship, i read some comments about changed hardeners? are the fits in the ingame channel still viable?:D
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11:17 - Angel Agent Dramiel
13:05 - Blood Raider Agent Cruor
16:56 - Sansha Agent Succubus
20:09 - Gurista Agent Worm
25:56 - Serpentis Agent Daredevil
28:25 - Anomic Team Enyo
30:31 - Anomic Team Hawk
34:27 - Anomic Team Jaguar
37:27 - Anomic Team Vengeance
DAM i lost my ship doin the Jagua has anything been nerfed or mayby i didnt do it correctly
@@stretham123 did you have cap issues ? im trying to fit for the angel one and my cap is at 4:25 depletion time and he at 11:15
@@robjarv4757 Same did you fix it?
To be honest I bought the ship saw the cap and I've not been back to it, been getting into other things, I will go back to it at some point
Lost ship thinking antero anomic is gurista burner.
In his example, his MWD burns out. If yours doesn't, make sure you turn it off. Mine stayed on, ballooned my sig radius, and caused the worm to break my tank in three shots. MWD has sig radius as a penalty, and it is a huge effect. As soon as you scram him, shut off your prop.
I wondered how i died so quick
RIP HateLess... I miss you dude. This is the first vid I am rewatching since you've been gone and your voice is making me miss you even more. Thank you as always for such an informative vid.
I rewatch his videos from time to time. Great loss to the community. I hope his channel stays active and youtube directs funds to his family and his cat
Man, I didn't even know he passed. I've been watching his vids because I just got back into Eve after a 3 year break.
me too, man. Such a huge loss, indeed.
Ohhh shit... I didn't think about the cat. That cat loved him so much. That makes me sad... thinking about the cat waiting for him to come home. Life is so unfair--he was just a kid. RIP Hateless. You were a real one. :(
Yes. It feels weird to see him here knowing hes not with us anymore. But it is what it is.
now these are the EVE videos worth watching!!! A very clear explanation why certain modules / skills are needed and what they do. then a "live" demo whilst explaining how to do Burners.
You got a sub! I am new to the game, just over a month. Great content!!
Rest in peace Big guy we'll see you on the flip side!!
Just adding a quick Reference note from the end of the Video:
Don't use drones against Angel, Blood Raiders, or Guristas burner, the rest you can.
RIP bro.
I decided to give a try after this video.
Noticed resistances have changed since the date of video.
I used 1 more resist module instead of a heat sink in fits. Be safe than sorry.
I use long range ammo on bamtam logi, noneed to overheat.
Guristas worm is the hardest them all prolly. He likes drones. Release a drone when you enter but do not engage it. Since you use mwd, drone will be behind you and worm will want to reach it, thats when he gets close to you and you catch him. Noneed to overheat. I use t1 drones. If you fuck up just align somewhere and send drones to him, he will chase them so you can get far away from scram.
Thank you for the video sir, its a very good guide.
Can confirm this works for Guristas Worm, neat trick!
RIP buddy and thanks again for the excellent videos. Maybe worth noting that if you can afford a full set of Asklepians then all the expensive hardeners/membranes can be replaced by standard ones. I use mid-grade and have no issues at all (but I always avoid Guristas). This way it's a lot less expensive if you mess up and die, and of course the Asklepians are useful for other things.
For anyone watching, check prices!... hardeners with the same cpu/energy cost with prices going from 200kk for centus variation to core/corpus 40kk, don't slap it on multibuy in Jita without checking.
this is a good pointer
too late:( but thanks, i can change for cheaper ones and sell the ones i already have or save them for later
From 2022: ALWAYS check the loot. There's a chance for the respective faction modules to drop, the biggest we had was in the range of 0.5 bil
Rip Hateless, thanks for everything you have done m8. I hope you're doing good in Heaven.
Just an important FYI, the Jaguar fit is outdated. I just completed it first time and I got to 40% hull. Almost lost the 600mil+ fit.
I have been looking around and people are using double Hardner fit now, 1* X type Kinetic, 1* X type Explosive. 1 Fed web and 2* Republic Fleet cap batteries.
These burner videos are great. I especially like it when the cat shows up. Gotta keep the cat in future videos, makes it fun to watch while listening to all the technical mechanics of burner mission.
I wish I could like this more than once - such a bloody useful video! It's turned Anomic Agents from something I skip to something I hope for.
I am happy to hear you found it useful
Miss you man. Thank you for helping me enjoy this game.
hello from 2021, everything works :)
Hey, I have been using your Unified Burner Nergal and it works wonders.
I thank very much you for that.
But in case someone has Sharpshooter at level 4 (like me) and need to have 16km range on the Agent Sansa Lazy fit to make it work, you can change one Entropic Radiation Sink II with a Tracking Enhancer II and it works just fine for the Agent Sansa.
I have done 3 missions with that change on live server. So Sharpshooter V is not mandatory, but it helps a lot, since you kill it faster with the more dps.
The "updated" fit of the Sansa Lazy to achieve range of 16km with Sharpshooter at 4 is:
[Nergal, Agent Sansha (Lazy 2)]
Centii A-Type Small Armor Repairer
Centus C-Type EM Armor Hardener
Tracking Enhancer II
Entropic Radiation Sink II
Tracking Computer II
Republic Fleet Small Cap Battery
Target Painter II
Veles Light Entropic Disintegrator
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Small Capacitor Control Circuit II
Acolyte II x5
Tracking Speed Script x1
Mystic S x500
Baryon Exotic Plasma S x500
Optimal Range Script x1
just use mistic with traking speed charge and same fit , u dont need to low ur dps
The problem may lie not in the Sharpshooter skill, but in the Assault Frigate skill, which offers 7.5% max range to Small Disintegrator. I've got Sharpshooter at V, but AF only at IV, and I can't get 16km.
Edit: Just tested on TQ, and switching to Mystic and tracking speed script works very fine. Success after having fired 40 Mystic.
same for me, AF at 4 only sharpshooter at 4. switched it to tracking script with mystic and it worked like a charm. thank you for the tip
Just did my first burner in this (dramiel), thanks a lot!
No dude u dide tons of them 🙂😂
We miss you bro. I am still re-watching your videos. Grateful that we can still watch your videos and in a way, "stay with us." RIP my dude.
Sansha Burner agent: I seem to hit more with entropic when the tracking computer has tracking speed in and Mystic for ammo. Still 17KM range and the burner stays within 16km. Usually 15KM
i did this and it worked just fine ,very fast done
This is great thanks. Jaguar can get a bit hairy but it's ok and I don't bother with Guristas. The LP and bounties are mounting up!
Same for me, always skipping Guristas one
Just run Gustistas agent. My battery burnt out but not the MWD or scram. The agent died exactly at the moment when my cap ran out.
IMPORTANT: if your MWD doesn't burn out, do not forget to turn it off!!! Otherwise, you're blooming 500% sig, and the agent will eat you alive.
I have been using these guides but I like to use the reactive armor hardener instead of using two specific resist types. I find it to be just as effective and more cost efficient. These guides have been amazing overall!
Why those reactive hardeners are used?
A damage control II does the same 15% plus some shield and hull hardening....
Overheating or fitting demands?
@@Triggernlfrl since you’re going to be armor tanked your shield resistances are irrelevant. Mostly they get immediately shredded and you’re relying on base armor alone anyway. Better off to make your armor as resistant as possible over any shield. Any shield resistances will be wasted.
@@brandong5450 So only 15% armor resist is better than a Damage control II that hardens shield 12.5 %, armor 15% and hull 40 % ???
@@Triggernlfrl reactive hardener gives 60% resistances over the incoming damage type. It starts out at 15% spread over each type then as you take damage, it reacts and adjusts the damage type, hence being called reactive hardener. So in these missions when you’re taking thermal damage, for example, it will change to 0% of the other resistance types and will give you 60% resist towards thermal. Again, you’re relying on armor tanking so shields and hull are fairly irrelevant.
@@brandong5450 Owe that is the clue.
Did not know that about being reactive.
Than it is logical indeed. Nice module!
Time to go drive some armor ships to fill my xp gap;)
Thanks for anwser!
well this morning i lost my nergal, i thought I followed the instructions but going back over the video i realised 2 things, I didnt switch on the hardener i only pressed OH, i pressed keep at range and not approach, Thanks for the videos they really are good. you still need to use your brain though. replaced the nergal already
I just did my first burner mission ever, great guide
Guristas Burner fit doesn't work anymore. getting my armor punched through very quickly
Just turn off your MWD once he's scrammed, and you'll be fine. You died because you left it on.
Team Jaguar is much easier if you swap an Entropic Radiation Sink for an Multispectrum Energized Membrane in the lower slot. It takes roughly 15% longer but the tank holds much better.
I have noticed that in the burner team hawk that it is continually locking up my drones even after recall and redeploy but to combat this I overheated the turret as it can take heat very well. The hawk went down really fast few seconds. take into consideration that I have thermodynamics to lvl5
Note to those who cheaped out, like I did, and got the T2 Disintegrator and not the Veles faction...Baryon ammo with the tracking range script will NOT work for Lazy Succubus. You will be a half km short and unable to reach the succubus and caught in an unending circle. Sacrificing drones will be the only way to get away if that's the only ammo you have. (ahem...looks around , yeah that was me) T2 Disintegrator with Mystic and tracking SPEED script smokes the succubus in under 2 minutes. I would miss occasionally with the range script but even without it I would still be IN range so I swapped it. Much enhanced application.
Thank you for all the content. Rest well and fly safe o7 rip 2023
I always lost to burner npcs when they first came ingame and i never tried them again. I might pick up a nergal and give it another go.
For the Guristas Burner, you have to turn of the micro even if it doesnt burn out. The sig bloom will kill you... Experience..
Well yea
This is a great video with a lot of details. Thank you for the research and hard work!
The Nergal sounds better than its successor, the Nerfal.
Note to self....REMEMBER to deploy drones. Jaguar almost got me. Whole bottom rack was fried from heat due to drones going out way way late. I'm a knucklehead
You should deffo take drones vs Gurista. Then if you burn out your MWD, you can warp away with drone aggro. Worked for me in the past.
R.I.P. m8, Fly safe up there !!!
I didn't realize how much Dps can this or the Dramavik spool out untill I got a Dramavik some days ago... this ships are incredible... I got 250 Dps on My Dramavik and T1 light Entropic against a BS Drone... plus drones... 300 DPS... All T1... insane...
Thanks for great tutorial!
Writing in December 2021, I tested most(not Jaguar because I didn't get it so far) and the fits work. The Guristas seems to be able to break my tank in the end so I don't know if logging off and orbiting the beacon in case you burn your scrambler would work and too afraid to test it just to see what happens; so far I've killed the Guristas 3 times but I use A-type hardner.
I'm about to start this doctrine. Seems the drone bandwidth got nerfed? Doenst seem like a big deal but i'm glad to know its still viable.
the drone bandwidth is unchanged- i had a warp core stab installed for a travel fit. I wasnt playing during the change to that module, it decreases drone bandwidth.
I found that in the Angel burner anyways, I upped the Multispec energized membrane to faction for less CPU, and was able to fit a Small NOS 2 in my other high, eliminating the need for a 5% Cap implant to remain cap stable on this fit. It also kills the burner frig much faster as he caps out his tank a lot quicker with the NOS on him.
Interesting idea. Just started doing the burners with the Nergal - done 4-5 in the last day.. I do have a 5% implant but,as yu say, the NOS will make him cap out. RIP HateLess. He died just before I came back to the game after10 years away. Bummer.
For Angel Dramiel, you can replace that 138M isk Explosive Armor Membrane with a regular old Enduriing Armor Hardener and a Small Compact Nostuferu. Cheaper and safer! RIP Hateless.
nos won't drain on enyo, hawk, vengeance, succubus, or cruor ... I don't think it does for the dram either.
@@ShimrraJamaane I can confirm it works on the Dramiel. Why do you think it doesn't work on frigates? The only requirement is that the ship class is equal or smaller than the drainer.
@@silverfox8615 because I watch the combat log and it always says *_"+0 GJ [...]"_* everytime it tries to nos.
@@silverfox8615 Because everytime I use the nos, the combat log shows *_"+0 GJ drained"_* when it cycles. So, it definitely doesn't work on the ones I listed.
@@ShimrraJamaane Your capacitor level has to be lower than theirs for a transfer to happen. You won't see any cap transfers until you're less than their cap, which explains why draining a smaller hull won't ever work. As most of these Nergal fits are cap stable with a big faction battery, I wouldn't expect to see that happen. But the Dramiel Burner fit, with a Hardener running is not stable for me, so the Nos actually does drain cap.
RIP Hateless
wooohooooo !!!!! I just won a vengeance ! ive lost alot of frigates trying to beat these pesky missions ! thanks for the win ! great vid
Great guide. Burning through all of em now and sold my daredevils and Garmur 8)
Have fun!
NICE! ty for sharing
Thanks for the video.
I have started to train for the fit you have posted in the description, but I'd love to see the list of all skills and theirs levels that you recommend to run this missions.
I know, that you are explaining it in the video, but it's a little unclear for me, so I'd love to see then listed somewhere :)
If possible. Thanks
Hi HateLess thx so much for all your guide, which ammo do you take for the jaguar?
One nergal to rule them all
thank you man
this was so helpful, really
Edit: it's damn working man, i got my first anomic mission completed, thanks again
Jaguar works without overheating if you have 5 piece mid grade asklepians, sometimes he hits harder sometimes less, but I didnt overheat anything
Hello from 2023 is this still a good path to build up to
Yes
@@HateLesSGaming good bye 😢
Thanks for this!
Nice to see a Nergal guide with universal rigs.
What implants are you using?
I did some tinkering in Pyfa and it looks like your tank is lower than what should be required for some of these burners.
Are you using an Asklepian implant set?
no implants are required to run this as in the video asklepians do make it alot easier you wont need to overheat but the video was made specifically without implants
@@HateLesSGaming OK, will give it a shot. Thanks
Well, I'm convinced. This is going up on my to train list after I get my Mach up and running. One day I will have nothing to train on my mission runner and can focus on my pvp pilot... One day. lol
I thought a marauder was an end-game level 4 runner? You can kill everything instantly and loot at the same time
This video is awesome, thank you so much!
Was taking a lot of damage by the worm, until I realized MWD was still running. careful with that, so far it's working for me. Is everything still working well? Also: I am using asklepian midgrades, gives me further safety, but dont have the cap ones. Which one do you use, recharge or cap pool? or both?
if you run a veles and not a t2 disintgrator dont bother train the weapon spec more than lvl one it doesnt apply the dmg bonus on faction launcher iirc
this is true however training it 4 is pretty easy and highly advised for flying kikimoras
0bsolete Fit for:
Sansha Mission
Anomic Team Vengeance (if hardener not overheated)
Anomic Team Jaguar
How?
I can deny that the fits are obsolete. I just ran succubus (using the OD, battery, and web fit) and vengeance with these setups today and they worked fine. I just sat back and relaxed while I burned them to dust.
Alright, so I tried some kinda passive shield fit nergal that was explained in another youtuber's channel and it didn't work. It was a costly loss and in discouragement I said I'd never do an anomic mission again. Curiosity still had me by the balls though, so I tried your method here and it's a breeze. I added mid grade asklepians as well as a couple extra hardwirings for armor rep, hp and a zors hyperlink. I just did the daredevil and like you said, it was a breeze. So much of a breeze that i didn't even have to think about overheating hardeners. Hopefully this is the way for the lot of them.
do you lose those implants if you die?
How you doin Hateless? Ya knw there's a Neo Shop 7 day Omega free offer right now 6.2023, getting my Nergal off some dusty dust! Cya!
He’s not doin too good. Sadly passed away a few months ago
Baryon ammo does 12km not 14, I don't actually have an ammo that does 14 so I ended up using mystic and still smoke checked the hawk with ease.
On the Teams are Jamming drones worth using on the Logi? Or is it better to just use Combat drones?
Didn't kill Succubus too much times, but never earlier had a problem like yesterday - he repeated to switch to drones while at the same time moving away from me to like 28km so i lost all damage and had to start from basic damage 3 times. Better without drones at all.
One Nergal to rule them all...
Fits summed up in the ingame channel "Burner Nergals" so that you can easily refit by two clicks on demand.
Love this, for some reason I'm just a tad shy on cpu for the sansha fit, I'm gonna have to use a different target painter to make it work for me.
Edit, I changed the tracking computer to one with same stats but less cpu instead of the target painter.
I had the same issue when I tried to simulate the fit but then it worked when I equipped the ship and then did the fitting
Amazing, detailed video. Thanks!
super nice! Lets all get started with Burners now!
youre a genius,thx for this vid!
Very good guide, subbed. I died to the worm though so I think I messed up or need better armor skills.
make sure you actually turn off the prop mod its a common thing people do
@@HateLesSGaming that makes sense, thanks for getting back to me. Luckily no modules were lost so after I looted my dead ship I was only down a few hundred mil. :)
Yep, prop mod on = death. I found out the hard way
@@El-Gordo Same... :)
wondering about the switch from stasis web II to fed navy. wouldn't they all be more effective with fed navy?
seeing a nergal nerf on the horizon...
:,(
With the rate at which CCP implements changes to the game that will probably be a long time
CCP: **casually presses emergency nerf**
your fit in description is missing stuff that you use in the sites. Like 1x Overdrive injection system and the Medium cap battery. Not sure what else yet.
Thanks Hateless, this helped me out.
damnit I didn't need a reason to stop training all battlecruiser V but now I have one
It’s 2024 and I miss Hateless.
Is it safe to use 2 cap control II rigs for the anomic agent guristas? I can't get more than 1min 20s cap with his fit. Even with a cap implant. RIP Hateless.
Great video m8, this is professional content.
Cheers
Tuito
!!!!!!Just a heads-up for anyone buying the required modules for this fit; !!!!!!
There are some people doing either market manipulation with some of the modules or the demand is just much higher than the supply. Some of the modules are 100% identical with just a different name and you can get them for 600m+ cheaper than the module listed in the shopping list. Choose all the modules, especially the expensive ones, carefully and you'll save billions.
very good follow advice if something looks expensive look for alternatives just be smart about confirm your buying the same stats
optimize your fit for cost in pyfa
207 million skill points and I see he still has a fair amount of stuff to train, sigh. I have 32 million.
You can use B type hardeners, they are 1/10th the cost.
Wich burner are you talking some require a or x types
so the real question is, which missions are better with these nergal fits then your other most recent fits for a specific mission?
A year later I'm browsing the comments for just such an answer. lol
man your stuff is awesome!
he isn't lying my battery almost burned out before my other mods
Even still teaching me things. o7
I don't think overheating the Centus C-Type is required for the Sansa Succubus
I'm curious if, based on how little stress your tank took, if you could get away with Imperial Kinetic hardeners instead of the centus bling
Some fits really require the higher hardners so in a unified fit we reuse as much as possible
thanks for the video hateless. can you tell me what song you have playing at 19:00 its awesome
Hello! HateLesS_Gaming
Can you tell me the music information that is playing from 14:08?
And thanks to you, the frigate burner was completed easily. :D
Th succubus mission,, you position so he can mwd into the burner base and get stuck there, reducing mission time :) by allot ^^
Sansha Agent got me, he stayed further than 15km and i died a long, horrible death
Really i feel CCP changed something about burners. Now Jaguar, never had problems, but this time just luckily critted him and killed, because i was at 0% shield. 0% armor and 10% hull with burned 100% repairer and 17%left on hardener.
Cruor pushed me through half of my armor, i've never had this before
I just started this for the first time today. Went through 3 or 4 of them no problem. Forgot to launch drones on Jaguar and I didn't even come close to killing it. Went back and launched drones but it was still really really close.
Awesome man! I haven’t played in a few years, but when I jump back on, I can sell off my 5 bill burner fleet and switch to this one ship operation lol, perfect. If you mess up the guristas can you still deploy a drone to get agro off of you and warp away real fast?
its possible but it killes the drones fast maybe bring 5 warriors tech one and if it shoot them you can warp
As 0f 11/22/2023 ive ran through all of these and the only scary one that I dont think is as safe anymore is the Gurista Agent Worm, I survived with 14% structure
Are you sure you used the correct fit and have the necessary skills? My tank is still completely stable and catch him every time with 2 cycles hot. Also turn off your MWD once you catch him or you sig radius will be gigantic.
man, im struggling with the jaguar. i cant break through the tank at all, and my tank fails way too early
Hey , great video and thx for all this information shared with us , i have two questions for you , if you have time to answer .
First , how do you overload modules with just a direct click in the middle of it , i need to click the top part to do this and it require quite a big attention ?
Second, if you take the same fitting strategy that you use for Sansha burner and use it for Gurista burner , will that work?
1 shit+click=overheat 2 not really you need to web it with a daredevil or scram it with a scram for sansha you have to web it as it uses an ab not a mwd
@@HateLesSGaming thx for the answer , still , for sansha lazy fit u don't use any web or scramble , just use the range, so will that work with the gurista ?
@@virashakta no it won't work with guests due to guests natural range from you
In my honest opinion, Jaguar is the hardest one among the frigate burners. Every time it feels like a lottery. After turning on all the modules I cross my fingers and pray for the overheated hardener to live longer than the Jaguar.
Moreover, unlike other burners this damned Jaguar doesn't switch aggro to your drones after you turn off your entropic disintegrator. It literally leaves you no chance to escape if something goes terribly wrong.
burners are hard also adding asklepians makes this trivial
I was wondering if you could put out a video on how to do the Edencom stellar observation sites.
Thanks a lot. So the base is now the next step 😉
IMO there's only 1 burner base worth the isk over time and that's the serpentis base. Don't do any of the others they're just dismal. It has 3 sniper Talos with 7 mil bounty each. What you use for that is a ham caracal with mwd, sneak your way through the minefield of inactive guns without getting too close to them, while angling toward the nearest Talos, get up to it, drop warriors and go ham. Rinse and repeat and burn your mwd when necessary. Take no more than a moment to loot the first wreck or you'll get nuked by the other 2 Talos. I'll find the fit and link it if I get on and remember
@@taxa1569 i feel like the angel base is the best since you get 22mil in bounty and 5 chances for faction drop while the vigilant cost sub 0.5b and its a quick mission, IMHO :)
@@pulverkussenaka9357 I mean that's fair. But 5 chances for small faction loot Vs 3 chances at medium faction loot is also a factor to consider ;)
Very nice. Thanks
im new to burners and natuarally afraid to loose the ship, i read some comments about changed hardeners? are the fits in the ingame channel still viable?:D
Has any of this fit changed now in 2022? Thank you