Reminds me of how a succubus in older editions took psychic damage if it failed to seduce someone and they could remind it as a bonus action to do it again
Vast majority of very high level creatures (like cr 20+) may be immune but you can still effect a surprising amount of stuff with charm below that, maybe like half.
@@nephalos666 Imagine trying to fuck over a player build that alredy sucks since more than half of the monsters are inmune to their main gimmick by giving it to even more enemies
@@andraelwhite547sorcerer is arguably the strongest class in 2024. And twin is not really nerfed, it’s sidegraded. So it works with fewer spells now, but it is *a lot* cheaper to use. And it still works with a lot of good control spells.
Nah i’ll just tack immunities on to bosses and give them smaller units to do their loops on, maybe some bruisers leasing up into the boss. Also if theyre harmed im pretty sure they repeat the saving throw. I’ll have to read the new charm.
given theres a line somewhere in one of the abilities/spells whatevers that references making your dm unhappy... yeah we mgiht not have DM's much longer
@@dominicdorato6024don't even really need to do that, charm monster ends if it takes damage, so they can either attack it and end the charm monster and auto success on command or sit around for 1 minute do nothing, either way the bard has still spent a 4th level spell slot and there is no guarantee the creature will fail that save in the first place as it will be making it at advantage This whole thing relies on the creature you pit against a lvl7+ party failing a saving throw against charm monster that it will be making at advantage
@McDB9147 if all of their allies are dead while you make out with them, then the combat is over and you can tie them up and take their weapons Damage is the least deadly and least terrifying thing a mage can do to you Also it's an undertale reference to a dancing robot boss fight where they force you to dance with them while you fight, for "ratings'"
Wait they can copy anyone else's spells... mind control galore... now I want to play a lore bard who is just copying the best spells of every other party member and villain they meet
One of the first in between chapter panels of NARUTO is team 7 in a rock band. Sasuke is Lead guitarist. He also recites Ninka:Ninki (the ninja song;Ninja Opportunity) before they fight Orochimaru. In essence, it’s always been a thing. The Uchiha clan BEEN spitting hot fiyah.😮💨🔥
@@Anon-qp3ktEvery big guy has to have some backup, even if said backup is chaff enemies like Quasits. Single opponent, non-legendary monster fights are trivial, gotta have little guys to try to break concentration spells.
@@Anon-qp3kt It's getting increasingly player sided. Especially when the players come to the table not telling the DM what they've made so the DM can give a proper challenge. When players make builds that are intentionally made to sap the wind from the DM's sails, it becomes unfun for the DM. You can make fun builds and still be considerate that the DM is a player too. Because without the DM there is no game. The DM shouldn't be a tyrant, but they should be able to challenge their players and have fun at the table too. Having more monsters show up so the big bad doesn't just get stomped because new rules make spellcasters EVEN STRONGER is only fair play.
@@burgernthemomrailer "A really big antimagic meteor falls on you." "Next turn..." "Yes, you are SOMEHOW alive... in the middle of a hilariously huge crator. Everything is drenched in sticky antimagic flames burning your very soul..." "I... i... damn!" The DM can always out-BS any BS a player can come up with. Hence you don't want to play this "game" with your DM, it doesn't end well for anyone involved.
@@peterpan4038 “My True Polymorphed adamantine dome drops out of True Polymorph due to the Antimagic, protecting the party before we Teleport away.“ Alternatively: “My Fabricated Prismatic Wall-blade ignores Antimagic, the enemy must make 7 saving throws as I slash at them with it.” Alternatively: “I infected myself with Wereraven Lycanthropy via Conjure Celestial with a couatl changing shape into a wereraven during downtime. I regenerate.” Alternatively: “I casted Nystul’s Magic Aura on Sul Khatesh so she is considered a humanoid for spells and magical effects before Magic Jarring into her. I am immune to Antimagic Fields and resistant to fire damage.”
@@peterpan4038 “My True Polymorphed adamantine dome drops out of True Polymorph due to the Antimagic, protecting the party before we Teleport away.“ Alternatively: “My Fabricated Prismatic Wall-blade ignores Antimagic, the enemy must make 7 saving throws as I slash at them with it.” Alternatively: “I infected myself with Wereraven Lycanthropy via Conjure Celestial with a couatl changing shape into a wereraven during downtime. I regenerate.” Alternatively: “I casted Nystul’s Magic Aura on Sul Khatesh so she is considered a humanoid for spells and magical effects before Magic Jarring into her. I am immune to Antimagic Fields and resistant to fire damage.”
That was already a feature for the original Glamour Bard. The only update here is being able to lock the enemy into the perma-grovel on the same turn you cast the Charm spell
Considering how very few books for DMs have been made it's safe to assume that they don't think about DMs at all during development. Most of the books are for players. Of course, I can see why. Hasbro is out of touch and they probably think that since most people are players then that means that books for players are bought by more people even though in reality it's DMs buying most of those books.
It says it ok the first page of the players handbook that these are just suggestions and not actual set rules. The dm can just say, "auto passing checks is too op, so denied" and then it's no longer a problem for the dm lol.
@@Isaax that's literally what "homebrew" is. It's people making their own books/worlds. While most can be a hit or miss, a well versed dm can make it work.
charm monster is not concentration, neither is command, but if anyone damages the monster, the charm breaks. so its effetely only a stun lock on one mob at the cost of a spell slot and your bonus action every turn. you could also just use the free bonus command every turn anyway to try roll and get a mob to give up its turn.
@@edwxx20001 This special Glamour version of Command does require concentration because you cast it once/day and apply it potentially multiple times over the course of a minute.
What? You thought WotC was actually going to fix anything in the new edition? Nope! The OP stuff is still OP. The useless stuff (ranger) is still useless. Don't like it? Too bad. Screw you, give us your money.
And that's how the sorcerer who was tasked with keeping an arcane eye on the bard (to make sure she stayed out of trouble) developed the aberrant mind subclass
Even if you run 1 monster, charm monster ends if the monster takes damage, which would end the charmed condition and auto success on command, the monster makes the saving throw against charm monster with advantage if you or your allies are fighting them, and there are plenty of creatures with immunity to the charmed condition
Orrrr just cast Hypnotic Pattern at 3rd level (Charm Monster is 4th) which effectively does the same thing with far less dedication. Also, Charm Monster targets have advantage on the saving throw if they're fighting you, lol
The charm in charm monster wears off if you or your companions do anything harmful to the creature. So you can make it grovel with no save for a minute, but you can't attack it while it's down.
Honestly, I would probably argue the use of mind-influencing spells over all would be a hostile action. Imagine someone forcing you to grovel only its done through magic instead of physical force. I'd be pissed as hell.
@@pyroplatinum1342 I would be careful making a rolling like that and at least explain it to your player before they commit to the subclass because that could gut an entire build.
@@kevinfelton689 Oh yes. It's always important to be transparent to players about stuff like that so they can make informed decisions about their class choices. In the event that something would be missed, I know I'd be partial to letting the player respec into another subclass. Invalidating someone's playstyle shouldn't be a dead-end decision, after all. I find the best way to inform players is to either have a policy of leniency and let players roll back on certain things or to have an informed list of rulings to be updated as necessary.
"After a few turns the other monsters realise that whenever the bard talks and gestures their hands the big boss is acting weirdly and whenever it does it isnt defending them... most of them decide the bard is the real threat and act accoedingly."
Reminds me of the Witch in pathfinder. level three, you can cast Sleep for two turns, and then cast Cackle every next turn to prolong any previous witch action by a turn.
Our DM would say “you can do anything the books can do…so can I.” So..make a Glamour Bard Succubus and stun-lock the party. She can be the demons main chick or something seeking revenge.😂
Killgrave is an awesome villain for this reason Glamour bard succubus is also something I can play as a Cthonic tiefling bard one of whoms parents was just a succubus
No need. Just start rolling elves, undead, and monsters immune to charms. "Wow so crazy youre so OP at using your words to take control over my monst- oh, wait... the Bulette is deaf. Aaanyways, any other spell slots you wanna waste? Or... can I go back to stomping your wizard friend into fertilizer?"
Only that Mantle of Majesty was already there in the old XGtE version... so this talking point has been around since 2018 or so. And mind you, with enthralling performance you could charm 6 creatures for 1h at once. Now beguiling magic only hits 1 creature for 1min, with a save each turn. Experience with the old version shows, that it's not more broken in game than say paladin abilities etc 😊
5E doesn't allow you to cast multiple non-cantrip spells in the same turn using actions or bonus actions. You can only do all of this on the same turn in 5.5.
Honestly going to start using the new glamour bard (that is if D&D Beyond let's you use races from the previous version, playing an Eladrin which isn't available in OneD&D).
You can’t damage a creature charmed with charm monster though, and the ability to command as a BA for a non-save only lasts a minute, so it’s basically just a convoluted banish. Better to use compulsion or geas. Then you can damage them every turn and they can’t do anything. You can also Otto’s Irresistible Dance, and they cannot use their action to free themselves, so you will have advantage on them every turn.
I did this to a dungeon boss in one of our campaign, and after the 3rd turn of not being able to do anything and my party hitting it, the DM just said: "you know what? You guys killed the monster, good job, let's just continue."
Maybe, but apart from that dungeon boss, most enemies we faced either had magic resistance, legendary resistance, or +9 or +11 to either their wisdom, intelligence or charisma, making my glamour bard pretty useless 😅
Thanks.. This really helps me know what not to choose as a Bard. I don't ever want to win like this. Yes. I watch these channels to know what spells to not choose so as to never power game.
@aifinka9227 this is when the entire party falls apart because no one will tolerate not being able to do anything, even the GM. If one immunity ruins your play through then your character is lame anyway.
@@jerryweston7552 1)GM can aleats do something....bacause he can summon as many monsters as he likes bruh 2) If a GM sees that someones char is only good at one thing (lame and can be ruined with 1 immun, yes I agree) then he shouldnt ruin player's fun with that immunity, he should just work around it
@@jerryweston7552 if this happens at low levels yes player can adapt but at mid-high levels build are already complete and player cant really do much to adapt if GM pulls some shit out of his ass just to nerf one thing the player wanted to be good at while sacrificing anything else...
I feel like the new D&D was made specifically for powergamers. It pretty much ruins it for those who actually like being relatively weak for RP reasons
I mean Yeah DnD is made in a way where the Players are powerful and can (sooner or later) probably kill anything that is thrones against them. I wouldn't call this powergaming tho nor does this mean that this is opposed to RP. But yeah, if you want to play something in the style of i.e. Call of Cthulhu, where a guy with a knife has a good chance to off your character and Monsters should be avoided, you should probably not choose DnD.
my friend, the path to becoming a true master of this game lies in the realization that there wasn't any such thing as "playtesting for balance" in the first place. welcome, to the true DM's world.
@@skefsongames Well, depending on the initiative order, the monster might still get an against between getting hit and getting charmed again. More importantly, while Command may be cast for free (which is absolutely bullshit, don't get me wrong), Charm Monster can not, and still costs a 4th level slot.
@@skefsongamesI guess if you’re ok to use multiple 4th level spell slots on at spell that the monster has advantage on, to keep this up, then ya. But I dunno, it feels like the order is: Bard turn: HAHA! He’s stunned and prone! Fighter: I have advantage? Awesome! (Hits the monster) Monster (charm broken): gets up, granted at half movement, and stares daggers at the Bard And ya, the Fighter can use a slow maneuver to cut speed, but it feels…fair? Like, there’s tons of counterplay here.
The new rules are nuts. Some combos go insane. Elven Accuracy Piercer Champion being one of them You take the Vex weapon mastery for rapier and shortbow (we will rely on rapier and shield, the shortbow is just so you have a ranged option even if its weaker). Whenever you hit with these weapons, your next attack has advantage. Take Elven Accuracy ASAP so that the advantage on your rapier becomes super advantage. As a Champion, you crit on a Nat 19, and since youre rolling super advantage on every attack, youre bound to crit at least once every other turn by Level 5. Fighter 6 take Piercer. Now you do extra damage die for every crit. And again you're very likely to crit. At Champion 7 you can take an additional fighting style, so get defense or archery. By Fighter 9 you have Tactical Mind. Whenever you miss (which is already unlikely), your next attack has advantage. Now when you hit you get advantage on your next attack, and even if you miss you STILL get advantage on your next attack. And with elven accuracy, if all you do is attack every turn then you will never run out of super advantage! At this level youre dealing 1d8+7 every attack with an additional 1d8 on crits. Speaking of crits, at Champion 15 you crit on Nat 18. This makes your crit chance SKYROCKET. At three attacks a turn you have about 40% chance to crit once every round. All this without spending a single resource like battle masters or other subclasses, or casters witu spell slots. Simple, fun, and really easy to set up.
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Glamour? I hardly know her!!
Demon? I hardly know him!
And this is what the new Glam-rock bard can do?
Hes right...5e is pretty easy to exploit and ruin the game with.
We were wrong to underestimate David Bowie
@@ryanweible9090 You remind me of the babe
"I belly rub the demon"
"It takes 2d12 ego damage"
Reminds me of how a succubus in older editions took psychic damage if it failed to seduce someone and they could remind it as a bonus action to do it again
@@CaseyIsAwesome "Hey remember the time that Paladin of Tyr turned your offer down?"
"Ahhh don't remind meeee!" *head explodes*
@@CaseyIsAwesomeThey get so embarrassed at messing up they feel literal pain. Honestly I feel that.
"Roll with advantage"
...I'll allow that as a vicious mockery. Don't bother, he fails his saving throw
Bro is literally stun-locking people 💀
Like the Monk
@@chestnutmouse6823now the bard has two subclasses that outshines the monk
Slight correction, he is grovel-locking people
@@debbiebuttry9783 nerd
"F*CK SUPER SAYIN f*CK POWER LEVELES AND F*CK YOU! *SHEIN KEI KO HO!* "
And this why most high level monsters are immune to Charm.
And fear?
Vast majority of very high level creatures (like cr 20+) may be immune but you can still effect a surprising amount of stuff with charm below that, maybe like half.
Except balor’s, pit fiends, krakens, and ancient dragons. All of them can still be charmed.
@@nathanielreik6617 aaaaaand that's why good DMs will occasionally modify monsters' immunities to throw their players for a loop.
@@nephalos666 Imagine trying to fuck over a player build that alredy sucks since more than half of the monsters are inmune to their main gimmick by giving it to even more enemies
So in 2024 glamour is officially the dom bard...
All bards are. Glamour just does it with style
Nice, give bard such ability, but NERF sorcer with new twinned spell... Hate them.
@@andraelwhite547 Almost all other metamagic went up and to be fair, twin Banishment IS wau cheaper... It's a fine nerf.
@@andraelwhite547sorcerer is arguably the strongest class in 2024. And twin is not really nerfed, it’s sidegraded. So it works with fewer spells now, but it is *a lot* cheaper to use. And it still works with a lot of good control spells.
@@StormXirer but not twin desintegrate 😞
I love how this isn’t even some unaccounted for multiclass stuff, it’s just how they had it work.
The pained look and "...Why _not?"_ are about to become _very_ common DM reactions, aren't they?
Assuming we have any DM left XD
Nah i’ll just tack immunities on to bosses and give them smaller units to do their loops on, maybe some bruisers leasing up into the boss. Also if theyre harmed im pretty sure they repeat the saving throw. I’ll have to read the new charm.
given theres a line somewhere in one of the abilities/spells whatevers that references making your dm unhappy... yeah we mgiht not have DM's much longer
@@dominicdorato6024don't even really need to do that, charm monster ends if it takes damage, so they can either attack it and end the charm monster and auto success on command or sit around for 1 minute do nothing, either way the bard has still spent a 4th level spell slot and there is no guarantee the creature will fail that save in the first place as it will be making it at advantage
This whole thing relies on the creature you pit against a lvl7+ party failing a saving throw against charm monster that it will be making at advantage
You mean that isn’t already?
and here is where the dm pulls out the necronomicon and starts giving all future monsters "legedary resist"
Legendary resistance doesn't help against a feature which doesn't incur a saving throw 💀
@@TheRABIDdude
Dm: it does if I say it does
so... What do the players get in exchange for nerfing a rule that benefits them?
Now that is what I call Death By Glamour.
Ayyyyyyyy
Literally playing in my head now
Except there would be no death. Once you or an ally attack, the charm is broken.
@McDB9147 if all of their allies are dead while you make out with them, then the combat is over and you can tie them up and take their weapons
Damage is the least deadly and least terrifying thing a mage can do to you
Also it's an undertale reference to a dancing robot boss fight where they force you to dance with them while you fight, for "ratings'"
Do do dodo do dodo dodooo
The duality of DND:
“I hate this game!”
“I love this game!”
"- Do you hate or love this game?"
" - Yes."
Shadowdark players: "I love this game!"
...
Are you guys okay?
Nope...just hate with 2024 ruleset for me. It was already too much of a power fantasy with 5e, and it's getting worse
Most people love roleplay, they just haven't put time into an alternative because of how available D&D is now that it's mainstream.
One is the DM and one is the player
"I'm awed, impressed, and a little bit scared of you right now." -- Gale BG3
Who knew the Uchiha clan was just a bunch of glamour bards?
What? You didn't notice all the fantastic hair flips?
Wait they can copy anyone else's spells... mind control galore... now I want to play a lore bard who is just copying the best spells of every other party member and villain they meet
It's forever stuck in my head XD
Just think emo glamour bards
One of the first in between chapter panels of NARUTO is team 7 in a rock band.
Sasuke is Lead guitarist.
He also recites Ninka:Ninki (the ninja song;Ninja Opportunity) before they fight Orochimaru.
In essence, it’s always been a thing. The Uchiha clan BEEN spitting hot fiyah.😮💨🔥
"thats great champ, his friends are here"
If you play it like that then might as well stop playing altogether
@@Anon-qp3ktNah. If anything, if a player pulls something like this, the monster's friends should show up if they weren't there
@@Anon-qp3ktEvery big guy has to have some backup, even if said backup is chaff enemies like Quasits. Single opponent, non-legendary monster fights are trivial, gotta have little guys to try to break concentration spells.
@@Anon-qp3kt It's getting increasingly player sided. Especially when the players come to the table not telling the DM what they've made so the DM can give a proper challenge. When players make builds that are intentionally made to sap the wind from the DM's sails, it becomes unfun for the DM. You can make fun builds and still be considerate that the DM is a player too. Because without the DM there is no game. The DM shouldn't be a tyrant, but they should be able to challenge their players and have fun at the table too. Having more monsters show up so the big bad doesn't just get stomped because new rules make spellcasters EVEN STRONGER is only fair play.
Have you read the DM guide or monster manual to back up what youre saying@@matthewrobinson3048
"I can bonus action cast command every turn without taking up a spell slot" "a meteor falls on you and you instantly die"
“Death Ward 1 procs, Death Ward 2 is now active.”
"Get of my house."
@@burgernthemomrailer "A really big antimagic meteor falls on you."
"Next turn..."
"Yes, you are SOMEHOW alive... in the middle of a hilariously huge crator. Everything is drenched in sticky antimagic flames burning your very soul..."
"I... i... damn!"
The DM can always out-BS any BS a player can come up with.
Hence you don't want to play this "game" with your DM, it doesn't end well for anyone involved.
@@peterpan4038 “My True Polymorphed adamantine dome drops out of True Polymorph due to the Antimagic, protecting the party before we Teleport away.“
Alternatively:
“My Fabricated Prismatic Wall-blade ignores Antimagic, the enemy must make 7 saving throws as I slash at them with it.”
Alternatively:
“I infected myself with Wereraven Lycanthropy via Conjure Celestial with a couatl changing shape into a wereraven during downtime. I regenerate.”
Alternatively:
“I casted Nystul’s Magic Aura on Sul Khatesh so she is considered a humanoid for spells and magical effects before Magic Jarring into her. I am immune to Antimagic Fields and resistant to fire damage.”
@@peterpan4038 “My True Polymorphed adamantine dome drops out of True Polymorph due to the Antimagic, protecting the party before we Teleport away.“
Alternatively:
“My Fabricated Prismatic Wall-blade ignores Antimagic, the enemy must make 7 saving throws as I slash at them with it.”
Alternatively:
“I infected myself with Wereraven Lycanthropy via Conjure Celestial with a couatl changing shape into a wereraven during downtime. I regenerate.”
Alternatively:
“I casted Nystul’s Magic Aura on Sul Khatesh so she is considered a humanoid for spells and magical effects before Magic Jarring into her. I am immune to Antimagic Fields and resistant to fire damage.”
Bonus action command with an auto failed saving throw WITHOUT A SPELL SLOT WHAT THE FUUU
Sliiiiightly overtuned
It's probably overpowered, but keep in mind charm immunity and legendary resistances. I can''t see many boss fights being ended with this
That was already a feature for the original Glamour Bard. The only update here is being able to lock the enemy into the perma-grovel on the same turn you cast the Charm spell
If they fail against Charm when they have a save with advantage and don't have allies to break the Bard's concentration on their feature.
That can be repeated multiple times.
I love the semi angry "why not?" followed by the VERY ANGRY WHY NOT
Cast Command at will (Mantle of Majesty), lasts 1 minute. And you can use it once per long rest.
And use it again with 3+spell slot.
Not according to the 2024 rules... Yeah.
Maybe the new PHB should've made the DM experience less painful rather than the other way around
WotC/Hasbro seem to be unaware the DMs pay for the majority of the material, and why would they bother with this.
Considering how very few books for DMs have been made it's safe to assume that they don't think about DMs at all during development. Most of the books are for players. Of course, I can see why. Hasbro is out of touch and they probably think that since most people are players then that means that books for players are bought by more people even though in reality it's DMs buying most of those books.
It says it ok the first page of the players handbook that these are just suggestions and not actual set rules. The dm can just say, "auto passing checks is too op, so denied" and then it's no longer a problem for the dm lol.
@@DashingToJapan At which point we're entering territory of "if you're gonna make shit up on your own, why buy the book?"
@@Isaax that's literally what "homebrew" is. It's people making their own books/worlds. While most can be a hit or miss, a well versed dm can make it work.
and then the second monster comes out and punches the bard so hard he loses his concentration because theres never only one monster
charm monster is not concentration, neither is command, but if anyone damages the monster, the charm breaks. so its effetely only a stun lock on one mob at the cost of a spell slot and your bonus action every turn. you could also just use the free bonus command every turn anyway to try roll and get a mob to give up its turn.
@@edwxx20001 This special Glamour version of Command does require concentration because you cast it once/day and apply it potentially multiple times over the course of a minute.
i get the feeling DND is just Best way to annoy the gm Simulator
It is, and people wonder why it's so hard to find a GM
This is why balance is important
I get DM is hard but with a good session 0 and planning. It is up to you to be able to handle it. Not just instantly crumble from the pressures.
Always has been
@Subject_Keter or just play pathfinder 2e
I could feel the "WHY NOT?!" So deep inside it made me shiver
My most anticipated multiclass is the barderer , where my only goal is the S.S.S.
Shill
Stunlock
Seduce.
That would make it R*pe not seduction
I thought shower and shave were gonna be part of the three S’s.
@@thomasbunn00 it’s a bard sorcerer, he is NOT shaving
Now I just need the race for this , and even though I’m thinking Dragonborn , I am open to suggestions
@@AndreiBostina-h4w it was a joke, I’m gonna assume you’re too young to know the original 3 S’s…
Ranger: *sitting in the corner, sobbing*
Ranger is like dangerous! He can do t w o more dmg! That like 1/32 of a normal enemy hp bar 😂
Ranger was viciously shit on 😂😢
What? You thought WotC was actually going to fix anything in the new edition? Nope! The OP stuff is still OP. The useless stuff (ranger) is still useless. Don't like it? Too bad. Screw you, give us your money.
@@Bramblett89 Literally go to the dollar store, buy papers and pencils and.. adapt?!
I think it says alot about the playerbase they cant do that. 😂
@Subject_Keter kiss my ass. I'm not paying money for a game that I have to write the rules for if I want it to actually be fun to play.
Now you know the way to sleep with a beholder 😂
And that's how the sorcerer who was tasked with keeping an arcane eye on the bard (to make sure she stayed out of trouble) developed the aberrant mind subclass
I’m genuinely amazed by how power crept the game is
"I'm afraid it's immune to being charmed."
Like a ton of monsters are.
if you're only running one monster you deserve this
always have a plan b
Even if you run 1 monster, charm monster ends if the monster takes damage, which would end the charmed condition and auto success on command, the monster makes the saving throw against charm monster with advantage if you or your allies are fighting them, and there are plenty of creatures with immunity to the charmed condition
That's when you say, "Legendary Action"
Orrrr just cast Hypnotic Pattern at 3rd level (Charm Monster is 4th) which effectively does the same thing with far less dedication.
Also, Charm Monster targets have advantage on the saving throw if they're fighting you, lol
plus if you or your allies do any damage to the charmed creature the charmed condition ends, so all it takes is one stray aoe to end it.
*_The DM Will Remember That._*
I see save-or-suck is alive and well.
He'd be like someone telling a stubborn dog to sit
The charm in charm monster wears off if you or your companions do anything harmful to the creature. So you can make it grovel with no save for a minute, but you can't attack it while it's down.
exactly, it's not like the party can kill it without breaking the charm.
Honestly, I would probably argue the use of mind-influencing spells over all would be a hostile action. Imagine someone forcing you to grovel only its done through magic instead of physical force. I'd be pissed as hell.
@@pyroplatinum1342 I would be careful making a rolling like that and at least explain it to your player before they commit to the subclass because that could gut an entire build.
@@kevinfelton689 Oh yes. It's always important to be transparent to players about stuff like that so they can make informed decisions about their class choices. In the event that something would be missed, I know I'd be partial to letting the player respec into another subclass. Invalidating someone's playstyle shouldn't be a dead-end decision, after all.
I find the best way to inform players is to either have a policy of leniency and let players roll back on certain things or to have an informed list of rulings to be updated as necessary.
@@kevinfelton689He tried to pull of some obvious bs lol just read your damn spell
Legendary Resistance says "hi."
"After a few turns the other monsters realise that whenever the bard talks and gestures their hands the big boss is acting weirdly and whenever it does it isnt defending them... most of them decide the bard is the real threat and act accoedingly."
Time to give legendary resistances and immunities to normal monsters now
I'm so ready to see the kind of BS that will be made possible by the 2024 Handbook
Poor reading comprehension is to blame for most "broken" builds.
Reminds me of the Witch in pathfinder. level three, you can cast Sleep for two turns, and then cast Cackle every next turn to prolong any previous witch action by a turn.
"The demon seems to begin resisting the effects"
"The demon is resisting command"
"The demon is immune to charm"
"Charm effect has expired"
This is why I loved playing a glamour bard, also their Mantle of Inspiration is actually so helpful
Our DM would say “you can do anything the books can do…so can I.” So..make a Glamour Bard Succubus and stun-lock the party. She can be the demons main chick or something seeking revenge.😂
Killgrave is an awesome villain for this reason
Glamour bard succubus is also something I can play as a Cthonic tiefling bard one of whoms parents was just a succubus
No need. Just start rolling elves, undead, and monsters immune to charms. "Wow so crazy youre so OP at using your words to take control over my monst- oh, wait... the Bulette is deaf. Aaanyways, any other spell slots you wanna waste? Or... can I go back to stomping your wizard friend into fertilizer?"
@@titusfortunus2916I cast Fabricate to turn the light within 120 feet of me into a Prismatic Wall engulfing you, the DM.
Bard was already my fav class, there was no need to make it even more crazy.
Dude must serve lord Aainz Ooal Gown.
As a legendary action he creates 10 more beings exactly in his image, all of then within 5 feet of the bard.
Only that Mantle of Majesty was already there in the old XGtE version... so this talking point has been around since 2018 or so. And mind you, with enthralling performance you could charm 6 creatures for 1h at once. Now beguiling magic only hits 1 creature for 1min, with a save each turn.
Experience with the old version shows, that it's not more broken in game than say paladin abilities etc 😊
This is true, it's kind of funny that the community has been sleeping on glamour bard
@@nyanbrox5418 Because you can't point at its DPR and make quips. Thus the community is flabbergasted.
5E doesn't allow you to cast multiple non-cantrip spells in the same turn using actions or bonus actions. You can only do all of this on the same turn in 5.5.
Glamout bard eh?
This trick will be called eternal thirst trap.
Spawns your kryptonite singing "I cast a spell on you!"
just imagine seing a bard chanting grovel every 6 seconds
The demon uses legendary resistance to make the save.
Now what, fancy pants?
We need to see what the 2024 MM does with demons. in 2014 even the top demons like balors, pit fiends, mariliths did not have leg. resistances.
When the player becomes the villain
Pov: Your DM hasn't discovered Constructs
or makes encounters PCs vs one enemy.
stun locked by a bard saying "get on your knees" every six seconds lmao
Honestly going to start using the new glamour bard (that is if D&D Beyond let's you use races from the previous version, playing an Eladrin which isn't available in OneD&D).
I'm currently playing an Eladrin using DnDbeyond
You can’t damage a creature charmed with charm monster though, and the ability to command as a BA for a non-save only lasts a minute, so it’s basically just a convoluted banish.
Better to use compulsion or geas. Then you can damage them every turn and they can’t do anything. You can also Otto’s Irresistible Dance, and they cannot use their action to free themselves, so you will have advantage on them every turn.
I did this to a dungeon boss in one of our campaign, and after the 3rd turn of not being able to do anything and my party hitting it, the DM just said: "you know what? You guys killed the monster, good job, let's just continue."
The Bard would have to charm it anew every round though for you to be able to attack the enemy
@@Fangoros silvery barbs is a hell of a spell 😂 (and the monster didn't have magic resistance)
That sounds like a sucky time for the DM
That sounds like a sucky time for the DM
Maybe, but apart from that dungeon boss, most enemies we faced either had magic resistance, legendary resistance, or +9 or +11 to either their wisdom, intelligence or charisma, making my glamour bard pretty useless 😅
“I cast charm monster.”
“Legendary Resistance.”
Wait. So not only is Dancing Bard a better Monk, but Glamour Bard a better Stunning Strike?
welcome to 5e, where casters are better martials than martials
@@swaggyseal To be fair it was the same in 3.5 xD
@@Shwh1 we don't talk about 3.5 balance for a reason...
Yall REALLY need to read the the book. The Dance Bard is a nice imitation of what a Monk can do now.
@@joshuapulliam7085 magic, magic breaks the game far more than any minuscule change they make to the monk.
Dom Bard: "Get on your knees."
Dont forget that as you charmed the monster its buddy also gets charmed thanks to Beguiling Magic.
Thanks.. This really helps me know what not to choose as a Bard. I don't ever want to win like this. Yes. I watch these channels to know what spells to not choose so as to never power game.
Good example of why the DM has the last say/ laugh when it comes to nuking the party 😂
Isn't that just Hypnotic Gaze?
This is when I add in a second boss that gives the first immunity to command
And this is when players leave bcs immunities are bs
@aifinka9227 this is when the entire party falls apart because no one will tolerate not being able to do anything, even the GM.
If one immunity ruins your play through then your character is lame anyway.
@@jerryweston7552 1)GM can aleats do something....bacause he can summon as many monsters as he likes bruh
2) If a GM sees that someones char is only good at one thing (lame and can be ruined with 1 immun, yes I agree) then he shouldnt ruin player's fun with that immunity, he should just work around it
@aifinka9227 I think you have it backwards.
The player is supposed to adapt.
To your point though, the GM should be adapting too.
@@jerryweston7552 if this happens at low levels yes player can adapt but at mid-high levels build are already complete and player cant really do much to adapt if GM pulls some shit out of his ass just to nerf one thing the player wanted to be good at while sacrificing anything else...
This inspires me to make a villain bard
The demon is now magically immune to being charmed and has infinite spell slots to cast counter spell
Asmodeus upon hearing this display wishes your head to invert
@@TheVercciYeah, he definitely wont be happy about this
I mean immunity to charm is very common tbf.
@@TheVercciMystra cackles as his Wish Spell fails, he is unable to cast it anymore, and takes psychic damage.
You say that bow, just wait intill the one guy corrupts that immunity or makes the holy flamer from 40k
Just make your demon immune to mind compulsory effects.
I feel like the new D&D was made specifically for powergamers. It pretty much ruins it for those who actually like being relatively weak for RP reasons
Why you ppl think that RP needs to be weak?
I mean Yeah DnD is made in a way where the Players are powerful and can (sooner or later) probably kill anything that is thrones against them. I wouldn't call this powergaming tho nor does this mean that this is opposed to RP. But yeah, if you want to play something in the style of i.e. Call of Cthulhu, where a guy with a knife has a good chance to off your character and Monsters should be avoided, you should probably not choose DnD.
Why would you think rp needs to always be about a power fantasy where every player has to be all powerful and always win?
@@lombrespike09reread the comment and find where they say it “needs,” to be weaker
DM: The demon's buddies focus fire on you.
I'm really starting to think they do dnt play rest ANY of these classes or subclasses.
Reminder, this ends the second a player hits the creature
@joshuapulliam7085 Yeah, but can he not just cast it again? Like immediately
my friend, the path to becoming a true master of this game lies in the realization that there wasn't any such thing as "playtesting for balance" in the first place.
welcome, to the true DM's world.
@@skefsongames Well, depending on the initiative order, the monster might still get an against between getting hit and getting charmed again. More importantly, while Command may be cast for free (which is absolutely bullshit, don't get me wrong), Charm Monster can not, and still costs a 4th level slot.
@@skefsongamesI guess if you’re ok to use multiple 4th level spell slots on at spell that the monster has advantage on, to keep this up, then ya. But I dunno, it feels like the order is:
Bard turn: HAHA! He’s stunned and prone!
Fighter: I have advantage? Awesome! (Hits the monster)
Monster (charm broken): gets up, granted at half movement, and stares daggers at the Bard
And ya, the Fighter can use a slow maneuver to cut speed, but it feels…fair? Like, there’s tons of counterplay here.
Why do I feel like a glamour Bard is now a member of the booty Warriors?
Okay demon now Toot It Up😂
honestly though, this is exactly the power fantasy I want for my bards
Glamour bard is already pretty damn fun like that.
"That's right. its literally nothing. and its not going to BE anything, either."
"It's not gonna BE your turn. ever."
- sans undertale
You can say that... "the devil's wear praga"
That's Glamor Bard Baby!
Don't need no new rules for that.
Makes the friends cantrip SO much more useful
@@frycook6396 Still gives you multiple turns of command. As long as your creative with it you'll be unstoppable
Oh no! I love this idea for my glamour bard
Glamour really got a glow up in 2024
And this is why you throw 3 demons at the bard, one to get glamoured, you to restrain the glamoured, and the third to break the bard.
"oh i forgot, he's got a legendary action"
and that's why you never have a single enemy as your parties enemy
Command is my favourite spell in the game. So excited to see "Command, the subclass"
Bro is using that miquella build 💀
So this is how I learned Charm Monster isn’t concentration.
Better than command word “defecate” or “disrobe” 😂
That's when the DM kills your character and tells you to "do better next time"
Bro you are the master!, you can say no!
The new rules are nuts. Some combos go insane. Elven Accuracy Piercer Champion being one of them
You take the Vex weapon mastery for rapier and shortbow (we will rely on rapier and shield, the shortbow is just so you have a ranged option even if its weaker). Whenever you hit with these weapons, your next attack has advantage. Take Elven Accuracy ASAP so that the advantage on your rapier becomes super advantage.
As a Champion, you crit on a Nat 19, and since youre rolling super advantage on every attack, youre bound to crit at least once every other turn by Level 5.
Fighter 6 take Piercer. Now you do extra damage die for every crit. And again you're very likely to crit. At Champion 7 you can take an additional fighting style, so get defense or archery.
By Fighter 9 you have Tactical Mind. Whenever you miss (which is already unlikely), your next attack has advantage. Now when you hit you get advantage on your next attack, and even if you miss you STILL get advantage on your next attack. And with elven accuracy, if all you do is attack every turn then you will never run out of super advantage! At this level youre dealing 1d8+7 every attack with an additional 1d8 on crits.
Speaking of crits, at Champion 15 you crit on Nat 18. This makes your crit chance SKYROCKET. At three attacks a turn you have about 40% chance to crit once every round. All this without spending a single resource like battle masters or other subclasses, or casters witu spell slots. Simple, fun, and really easy to set up.
Legendary action to choose to pass the save
What an interesting spell combination for the BBEG...
Looks like i'll be adding some legendary resistances to all my creatures.
'charm' ayo? 'command' ayo? 'I COMMAND HIM TO GROVEL' WHAT THE F-
I've played and run lots of different games over the years and I gotta say, the DM's exasperated energy in this one is my usual experience in D&D XD
This is when you go "whoops! Did I forget to mention the BBEG has a brother?"
My dm "so your never fighting humanoids again. Problem solved" 😂
There are 2 demons 💀
"Bring in the other two demons!!"
All bosses now have five clones of themselves. Have fun making ALL of them grovel.
Surely you can just introduce a monster completely immune to mind-affecting spells.
This is why im making my own ttrpg
100% just better to make your own thing and maybe even profit off it if it nice and clean.
Why give these wankers any coin?