As a professional flight instructor and charter pilot I have seen this so many times. For some reason rich people seem to think they can do anything. They get a pilot's certificate and then buy an aircraft that is way beyond their capabilities. With the latest avionics and autopilot one can become very comfortable operating a very complex aircraft. But when something goes wrong they are clueless as they are in no way properly trained to fly that airplane.
But, but, but they've got money!! That's all that counts, especially in AmeriKA. They're worse than the royals, who usually can speak several languages, if nothing else.
Hi. I'm wealthy and want to take a private plane trip in the already crowded U.S. airspace for a pleasure trip and for my ego and vanity. But props for leaving their kids out of this death trap.
Since you are a pilot (I AM NOT) - since they filed an IFR Flight Plan - why isn't there a cross-check to see if they are licensed to receive one? Also - would there be a way to enter a pilot's license number into a system that corresponds to the aircraft registration number for a particular flight? This way when an ATC pulls up info on a a particular aircraft - the controller would know the ratings of that pilot. It just seems quite a few accidents happen when bad weather is encountered and the pilot is not IFR certified. A warning could also be displayed at an ATC screen stating the pilot is not authorized to fly when certain conditions arise. I'm honestly just curious.
Many can pass the private exam and flight test however it’s impossible to predict future behavior , almost every pilot has got themselves into situations they should not be in and learned from it. Pretty sure Fatal accidents are down per GA FAA data in 2023/2024 I think better technology will continue to reduce these #’s
340 hours is plenty enough if you have good enough training and currency. 2000 hours isn't enough if you have had little training and haven't flown in years. So flight time is not the only factor that determines if someone can be safe in that aircraft. Lots of military pilots have less than 800 hours flying the most advanced jet fighters. More money than brains is the reason most of these types of GA accidents happen. People with money know how to buy their way out of needed training if they are the type who thinks they can do anything, then they do thing they have no skill to accomplish.
Neither of the pilots should have been flying the day in those conditions and those altitudes. Neither of them should have been flying in the IFR conditions.
Without sounding callous, i feel extremely sorry for those seven orphaned kids(and the 2 canines ) but what is it about these super capitalist , super positive , super wealthy people that renders them stupid to the hard realities of fate,and not to tempt it?
They think the rules don't apply to them -- physical or otherwise. Why do they support political candidates who openly call for confiscating their wealth through much higher taxes?
The ultimate tragedy is , they often fall on some poor soul, when they hit the ground. Trees are God sent but we have seen lately , a lot of these planes, hitting houses and burning everyone in it. Imagine falling on a school.......
I am a VFR pilot, and when i flight plan my trips, they are over, around , or near, other airports. Yes, i have had to put down due to weather. However, after 20+ years of doing this, I'm still around to continue.
My first job in 1979 as a single pilot night freight my chief pilot said "never rely on center vectors". This was a pilot who didn't know his limitations.
ATC is not at fault. The pilot without an instrument rating, illegally filing an instrument flight plan, having no training for IMC, and low time in the plane itself led to the lack of judgement to enter a thunderstorm. And likely also led to the inabilitiy to use the onboard weather radar to effect. Also the pilot(s) allowed an overweight aircraft to enter thunderstorm turbulence and dangerous wind shear conditions with increasing Va speed (further endangering in the circumstance).
Yeah plus he is way to reliant on ATC and submissive to them. He is not being a PIC and making positive, definitive decisions for flight safety. He should have never taken off but after he did he should have been telling ATC what he was dong not asking and if they didn't like it, declared an emergency and maneuvered however he needed to in order to avoid flying into a thunderstorm since doing so is going to kill everyone on the plane pretty much ever single time.
@@jmizzonini yea, i was thinking about the increased weight and got Va backward, fixed it. same is true for stall speed which also increases as weight increases, since wings need to fly at a higher angle of attack to generate enough lift for a given airspeed.
With that weather even if he had an instrument rating and wasn't over weight, he should have never even taken off. That is a good example of trying to keep a self imposed schedule instead of realizing it's not worth the risk and simply flying the next day.
@ylekiote99999 That's an interesting take. The problem is a GA pilot is not an airline and doesn't have to go and Unlike an airline is flying single pilot and has no where near the ground support, experience, trianing, and aircraft capabilities. With weather like that a GA pilot should just fly tomorrow 999 out of 1000 times. Yes flying has risk. Those risks need to be mitigated. In thr case of a GA pilot with low experience flying single pilot IFR with storms directly in there route, the best way to do that is to stay on the ground. Also there is a thing called personal minimums. Even if 1000 other pilots were up to doing that flight safely, it doesn't mean he was, even with an IFR rating. The attitude that if it was safe for others in different situations to try it, it's automatically safe for me is one that will get a pilot killed. You have the hazardus attitudes of invulnerablity and ego driven bravado. I urge you to revaluate your decision making process regarding risk mitigation.
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Love your videos. Wish they were under better circumstances. You do an amazing job and I will share with friends. R.I.P. to all lost. Love and support to the children, family, and friends. ❤❤
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@@The-Cat ATC did provide him with enough info for a competent IFR rated pilot to navigate and decide on a best course. There can be no blame on ATC for a lying idiot bumbling around where he had no business being.
I REALLY appreciate your use of the map showing the course of the aircraft, and the weather conditions!! Especially when deviations are given by ATC. It's VERY important to me anyway.
It is not fair to blame the controller in any way, she gave the pilot plenty of opportunities to re route the flight. Why don't these pilots just turn around and perhaps land somewhere instead of just pushing on! Did the pilot check the weather on route? I doubt it if he was confident enough to fly IFR without a certificate. Very good quality video.
@@Thatsallihavetosayaboutthatwell that part hasnt been explained in this video. "Cloud tops" or whatever it is, why didnt she have that info. Was she incompetent or was the data not available to her for any technical reasons or whatever. Also, it seems highly dubious that a plane should disintegrate for no apparent reason. If its just "oh it was just bad weather ", it would scare off a lot of people from flying in a plane ever. I guess NTSB came up with their usual monkey business of producing a report that wouldn't hurt aviation in any way, for whatever sum they chose to extort from the relevant plane maker.
@@Thatsallihavetosayaboutthat she was as helpful as one would expect when interacting with a pilot on an IFR flight plan in a high performance turbine powered airplane. Sad as it is to say but this is a rich guy who had a plane way out of his league without an instrument ticket. essentially a private pilot "child of the magenta", autopilot dependant individual. ATC has no culpability here!. She gave him carte blanche to deviate either way. not much more she could have offered him short of flying his plane for him.
Don't EVEN attempt to put any blame on the controller. These guys put loaded guns to everyone's heads when they decided to do the flight. They hit a big bump; the guns went off.
While tragic this is the stuff that gives GA a bad name and causes insurance rates to be so high. neither one of these pilots had any business to be flying such an aircraft.
This is wrong! It’s the PIC’s responsibility. Many times that means waiting out the weather or changing a routing. A 300 hr pilot and a 1000 hr should not be flying that aircraft! They don’t know what they don’t know…… In addition, I’ve flown these air and they were 100% overweight at takeoff so that shows you what kind of pilot Mr Bold was.
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No question, pilot error. He had radar. He also could have diverted or turned around and landed. Both pilots continued into that monster storm. WTF? Wish they didn't take their poochies.
7:18..If he was "concerned about the weather ahead", then ANY person with the SLIGHTEST bit of common sense, not to mention, anyone who gives a DAMN about other people's lives LITERALLY being in their hands; would have simply turned around and gone back to Florida. As my late dad who was a WWII B-17 pilot, and a G.A. pilot until he was nearly 80, always said; "When other people's lives depend on your flying skills..when in doubt, DON'T". BTW..Once he turned 70, he WOULD NOT carry passengers, unless there was another person with a PPL, in the right-hand seat.
I'm not buying your narrative of events one bit. It wasn't the controller's fault that this guy flew into a thunder cell. I didn't hear the controller denied one single request to deviate so all he had to do was fly around it. I'm sorry but don't blame the controller for the bad acts of the pilot.
If I saw all that weather I would not have attempted the trip or if I found myself in that situation I'd land immediately. I flew from the keys to Tampa countless times and I stopped many times at various airports along the way waiting for storms to pass. Very sad story!
This is not ATC’s fault. Low experienced pilot with poor judgment. Have spent many hours at non planned airports when experiencing similar weather. Better to be on the ground waiting than trying to find the impossible hole in the weather.
He wanted the controller to fly his flight for him...not their job!! The controller did everything right, the pilot just kept on fishing for someone else to make his decisions for him. Already been said below, but I'll say it again, he should never have taken off, and certainly not as pic. Imo. Good job on the sound and graphics, btw.
This level of poor airmanship on all levels made this accident inevitable at a point in time. It came due here but ultimately would have at some point. RIP & condolences to the families. ATC, as a person who had a degree in this and was hired by the FAA (didn't pursue, long story) most controllers have zero flight experience as a PIC. Never assume they can bail you out nor assume they know what it's like in the cockpit.
If the ATC wouldn't give you what you need in terms of weather & safety, you do what you have to do to keep our aircraft safe and tell the ATC what you're forced to do. You even deviate into a restricted zone if you have to for safety. Better planning and willingness to cancel your flight would avoid all that.
@@sojerz6092 The problem is that the hours driving have little influence on a high speed drunk driver running red light at an intersection on your 1 billion hours driving experience.... Physics doesn't give a damn about such a wrong place, wrong time situations Or a tire burst on a highway... Or whatever unforseen variables... It really sucks 😢
Back in the 1960s and 1970s, my father booked separate flights, so the whole family would not be lost in one crash. He would leave a will on the kitchen table before we left as well. There were a lot more crashes back then.
@@The-Cat GA is a lot more unforgiving when it comes to pilot skill, training and safety habits vs driving. And from recent articles I've been reading, is not safer than driving necessarily. People tend to group Airliners and GA together when citing safety stats, but they're vastly different regarding safety oversight. Driving fatality stats vary from state to state, city to city. Living in a rural area alone would likely mean lower fatalities per mile driven. Personally, I would choose an airliner or driving vs flying in any small aircraft.
These two were way over their heads. NTSB (Memorandum for Record) from Ralph E. Hicks to Dan Kelly issued 08/13/2020: "So, in a nutshell, neither pilot was legal to operate as pilot in command of this flight". Gregory Boll wasn't even an instrument rated pilot, so he couldn't even be flying at 27,000 feet. Yet, he filed an IFR plan illegally, which was an incredible audacity. In regard to the other pilot Felix Laquidara, who was really a passenger as per flight plan, he was a private pilot with an instrument rating, but, he was out of currency. His last flight review was 10/03/2017. In sum, they lack the proper weather competencies, flight navigation experience, IFR rating + currency; even weight and balance calculation and distribution, they couldn't do, and that plane departed way to fat (out of limit).
Very sad and more so as it was quite avoidable! Fly around the storm clouds or turn back before it's too late. Weather radar on board isn't there to fill up the instrument panel.
The pilot had every opportunity to simply turn around and fly at a later time… get there itest killed everyone aboard… The compounding stupidity of both pilots & the air traffic controller is astounding…
He probably didn't know how to operate or interpret what the radar was showing. VFR regulations require you to remain clear of clouds so he likely had minimal knowledge of the system. That aircraft was equipped with much better WX radar than controllers have.
Plenty of rich people out there who have or will eventually fly themselves to their own demise. It’s even more of a tragedy when they take their children down with them. They might be orphans but at least they were not on board and are alive. Jeff Buckaloo and Ron Bramlage are just a couple that come to mind.
How foolish can you be, not rated to fly in the bad stuff and you fly right into. That flight was a no go from the beginning. If you don't respect this hobby that we love, it will kill you. All those kids without parents now. I prey that I never act that stupid. Why didn't this guy do a 180 and get the hell out of there. RIP to all and the dogs.
Let me get this straight; he wasn’t qualified to operate an IFR flight, he was seriously under-experienced to be anywhere near an aircraft of this perormance and complexity, he had an appalling attitude to weight and balance and held aviation in contempt, yet the controller is somehow to blame?? With 20,000 hours of mostly multi-engine IFR experience, I have to say that in an aircraft equipped for adverse weather like the accident aircraft was, she gave more than enough help. Why didn’t the pilot(s) trust their weather radar? Never have I ever asked the pointless question we heard him ask, where he wanted validation of his weather radar return. If it’s painting and the pilot is unsure, go around the return. Period! Aviation is a wonderful leveller of arrogant human beings; fields, forrests and mountains are littered with the remnants of incredibly gifted and successful men and women, who had no right to occupy the control seat, but who were there solely because they could afford to be. I feel so very sorry for the dogs.
Thankyou. I'm here defending ATC too. ATC has no way of knowing there is a lying idiot in the cockpit. She provided him with enough information for him to use his experience and instrument to make a good decision. Sadly this dud was not experienced, was not instrument rated and made only bad decisions. Stupid to blame ATC. Sad about the dogs and the kids left behind.
Who knows may be the dogs survived. Did they find the remains. The authorities didn't even bother searching the area for plane parts. May be the dogs lived happily ever after in those woods.
I have no sympathy with pilots like this.. I don't waste it.. Better to reserve it for the trusting passengers who relied on his integrity to keep them safe. 350 or so hours? No IR and not even the common sense to get airborne early in the day offering the best chance to avoid build-ups that at the time of year are as predictable as the calendar itself.. For all those 'successful' amateur pilots still alive out there today, being a brain surgeon is not much of an achievement if you don't use your brain, being a cardiac-surgeon means nothing if you don't have the heart to consider the lives of your loved ones and being a successful lawyer is nothing if you don't stick to the rules.
When a dude pretends to be a competent flyer, all actions from ATC or other personnel becomes irrelevant. He filed an IFR flight plan so ATC ofc treated him as a skilled pilot. Overweight and undereducated, this is 100% pilot error and I want to apologize to ATC for any harsh words directed towards her.
As the pilot you and ONLY you know better and are responsible for the safe flight of your aircraft He flew right through the storm killing everyone on board. On top of this he had no IFR rating. Just another example of get there-itis and having more money then brains. And if im well off like most of these dead pilots, I would spend the money on a parachute system wether it helps or not!?!?
I think of the crash of N100EK in November of 1992. I remember hearing about it on the radio driving north on I-5 as I was passing Boeing Field. It's was raining so hard that my wipers on high speed were marginal. If it's raining in Seattle, it's dumping snow in the Cascades. A couple and their two sons and another couple. 6 total dead. Horrible. One of the adults was a WSU Regent. So what? They didnt have to be at that UW-WSU Apple Cup football game. Another case of "gotta get theritis."
Great presentation. Were there any SIGMETS (Significant Meteorological Info) published for that weather at the time he was filing his flight plan? I can't imagine the weather came up that quickly. I worked for am aircraft manufacturer and there was always a problem with pilots who thought that they could do anything. We once lost a case, somewhat similar to this, because the jury decided that "...airplanes shouldn't break up." Just like cars shouldn't crumple if you drive them into a bridge abutment at 90 mph.
Even if the FAA doesn't catch those with bad judgement, Darwin will. Sad to hear about this but the PIC had little experience and brought this on himself and the people that trusted him paid the ultimate price for his lack of judgement.
What in the world is a guy without an instrument rating doing flying a turboprop? I am assuming that he was flying without insurance. I can't imagine any insurance company covering a low time VFR pilot in a pressurized turboprop.
Why are you blaming the controller. What can she do in such a situation. Its you who is flying the plane, and if you end up in a storm, she cant pull you out.
As pilots, WE are the final decision maker. Not ATC. Declare an emergency if needed. Do what is required in the moment to save yourself n passengers... So needlessly tragic, RIP
The ATC only provides whatever information they have, the pilot ultimately is the one that sees the weather in real time. Also the pilot wasnt all that by the book, haviing no IFR rating and flying an overweight plan. Even if the ATC gave them all the appropriate weather info, the pilot would have still flown by the seat of his pants.
Yes, ABSOLUTELY he should have slowed to maneuvering speed… A PA46 is such a “slick” a/c that it will go through Max speed (Vne) very easily . Combination of turbulence and overgrossed was a deadly scenario
@hankcarter1021 yeah wing loading was abnormally high, he hit the turbulence at 260 knots.. vne would have been lower because of the already high wing load. Turbulence throws you up 1000 fpm then slams you down 1000 fpm. He starts jerking the elevator around and breaks the taill off. Low time pilots with lot of money don't understand aerodynamics and structure limits.
This is a flight I would’ve avoided like the plague. The controller could possibly have been more helpful, but this pilot has increased his workload by more than I’d be comfortable with.
It is easy to be a general after the battle. Sometimes shit happens in flight and PIC just has to deal with it the best they can. My primary philosophy has always been: better safe, then sorry and always have enough fuel to go around any bad weather.
It can’t happen to me!! People, it can and it does. When you takeoff or fly around bad weather, it’s just increasing the odds against you. The rest is up to you.
How come they say turbulence cannot take a plane down, that they are meant to fly in those conditions, but then there are so many videos of planes breaking up in the air?
Once again, an incompetent amateur pilot with an ego makes poor decisions and kills hid entire family. No responsible man would take his family into weather like that, or take such chances with nothing on the line and no reason to. Just grossly irresponsible. The narrator needs to stop trying to blame ATC. I would never get on a plane with a hobby pilot w/out a professional in the right seat. You couldn't give me enough money to put my family on one.
As a professional flight instructor and charter pilot I have seen this so many times. For some reason rich people seem to think they can do anything. They get a pilot's certificate and then buy an aircraft that is way beyond their capabilities. With the latest avionics and autopilot one can become very comfortable operating a very complex aircraft. But when something goes wrong they are clueless as they are in no way properly trained to fly that airplane.
But, but, but they've got money!! That's all that counts, especially in AmeriKA. They're worse than the royals, who usually can speak several languages, if nothing else.
Succinct synopsis Sir
I personally know six affluent couples from Texas who have died after getting their pilot licenses.
Well they should stop doing this. They’re placing people on the ground in danger, not to mention the dogs 🐶.
Hi. I'm wealthy and want to take a private plane trip in the already crowded U.S. airspace for a pleasure trip and for my ego and vanity. But props for leaving their kids out of this death trap.
I have always taught my IFR students... It's 100% ok to do a 180 and go back....
Another bad case of 'Get there-itis'.
Well said.
You should not even get into it, at all. Planning ahead is the key to survival.
Yeh seems to be cause of a lot of aircraft disasters either GA or airliners
Since you are a pilot (I AM NOT) - since they filed an IFR Flight Plan - why isn't there a cross-check to see if they are licensed to receive one? Also - would there be a way to enter a pilot's license number into a system that corresponds to the aircraft registration number for a particular flight? This way when an ATC pulls up info on a a particular aircraft - the controller would know the ratings of that pilot. It just seems quite a few accidents happen when bad weather is encountered and the pilot is not IFR certified. A warning could also be displayed at an ATC screen stating the pilot is not authorized to fly when certain conditions arise. I'm honestly just curious.
Many private pilots should have never been given a license.
Well, there are rules that go with it. The common sense does not come with the package. Sad to say.
Many can pass the private exam and flight test however it’s impossible to predict future behavior , almost every pilot has got themselves into situations they should not be in and learned from it. Pretty sure Fatal accidents are down per GA FAA data in 2023/2024 I think better technology will continue to reduce these #’s
LET THE RICH FOLKS KEEP THINKING THEYRE GOD :)
that's a ridiculous generalization.
@@mikes-wv3em I know, Right! 😆😆
Good lord 340hrs? That aircraft was so far over his head it is ludicrous. Should have been flying a 182 in clear weather!
27000 feet on an ifr flight plan without an instrument rating. The poor dogs
Maneuvering speed about 127 knots indicated airspeed
340 hours is plenty enough if you have good enough training and currency. 2000 hours isn't enough if you have had little training and haven't flown in years. So flight time is not the only factor that determines if someone can be safe in that aircraft. Lots of military pilots have less than 800 hours flying the most advanced jet fighters. More money than brains is the reason most of these types of GA accidents happen. People with money know how to buy their way out of needed training if they are the type who thinks they can do anything, then they do thing they have no skill to accomplish.
Turn around and live to fly another day
Exactly! Land, discontinue the trip!😢
Neither of the pilots should have been flying the day in those conditions and those altitudes. Neither of them should have been flying in the IFR conditions.
I'm learning a lot about flying in weather myself I would turn around before I got close to weather
Without sounding callous, i feel extremely sorry for those seven orphaned kids(and the 2 canines ) but what is it about these super capitalist , super positive , super wealthy people that renders them stupid to the hard realities of fate,and not to tempt it?
I HOPE THE RICH ALL GET PRIVATE PLANES
They think the rules don't apply to them -- physical or otherwise. Why do they support political candidates who openly call for confiscating their wealth through much higher taxes?
while u using a device created through capitalism. hypocrite much?
@@mikes-wv3em
What a sad comment.
Wealth is a relative thing. The poor in the United States are rich compared to those in third world countries.
You can’t always protect someone from themselves!
The ultimate tragedy is , they often fall on some poor soul, when they hit the ground. Trees are God sent but we have seen lately , a lot of these planes, hitting houses and burning everyone in it. Imagine falling on a school.......
I am a VFR pilot, and when i flight plan my trips, they are over, around , or near, other airports.
Yes, i have had to put down due to weather. However, after 20+ years of doing this, I'm still around to continue.
There are no old bold pilots
My first job in 1979 as a single pilot night freight my chief pilot said "never rely on center vectors". This was a pilot who didn't know his limitations.
More money than skills.....
YUP... OH WELL! SHRUG EMOJI :)
...or BRAINS !
If commercial airlines won't go into that weather, neither should you! Those poor dogs, too.
ATC is not at fault. The pilot without an instrument rating, illegally filing an instrument flight plan, having no training for IMC, and low time in the plane itself led to the lack of judgement to enter a thunderstorm. And likely also led to the inabilitiy to use the onboard weather radar to effect. Also the pilot(s) allowed an overweight aircraft to enter thunderstorm turbulence and dangerous wind shear conditions with increasing Va speed (further endangering in the circumstance).
Yeah plus he is way to reliant on ATC and submissive to them. He is not being a PIC and making positive, definitive decisions for flight safety. He should have never taken off but after he did he should have been telling ATC what he was dong not asking and if they didn't like it, declared an emergency and maneuvered however he needed to in order to avoid flying into a thunderstorm since doing so is going to kill everyone on the plane pretty much ever single time.
Technically if the airplane is heavier the Va speed actually goes up
@@jmizzonini yea, i was thinking about the increased weight and got Va backward, fixed it. same is true for stall speed which also increases as weight increases, since wings need to fly at a higher angle of attack to generate enough lift for a given airspeed.
You nailed it.
ATC shares a bit of the blame.
Again, why have all that money and NOT get instrumented rated? 700 pounds overweight. This is all on that pilot
With that weather even if he had an instrument rating and wasn't over weight, he should have never even taken off. That is a good example of trying to keep a self imposed schedule instead of realizing it's not worth the risk and simply flying the next day.
999 times out of 1000 even with that weather everything works out just fine. Flying is always a risk no matter what the weather.
@ylekiote99999 That's an interesting take. The problem is a GA pilot is not an airline and doesn't have to go and Unlike an airline is flying single pilot and has no where near the ground support, experience, trianing, and aircraft capabilities. With weather like that a GA pilot should just fly tomorrow 999 out of 1000 times. Yes flying has risk. Those risks need to be mitigated. In thr case of a GA pilot with low experience flying single pilot IFR with storms directly in there route, the best way to do that is to stay on the ground. Also there is a thing called personal minimums. Even if 1000 other pilots were up to doing that flight safely, it doesn't mean he was, even with an IFR rating. The attitude that if it was safe for others in different situations to try it, it's automatically safe for me is one that will get a pilot killed. You have the hazardus attitudes of invulnerablity and ego driven bravado. I urge you to revaluate your decision making process regarding risk mitigation.
Poor dogs
My first thought 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
Poor puppies. Should have been left at home with the kids.
@@NalaRichenbachyes
It's sad about the innocent dogs.
I wouldn't trust that ATC to give me directions to the mall!!
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The pilot is the only responsibly of the flight, he has more precise radar and weather than the controller
No instrument rating huh? That says a lot about his attitude about flying. Weather Shmeather, it'll be fine..........
ATC is not responsible for this accident. They offered him deviations repeatedly.
ATC did a shitty job not providing weather info. I'd say incompetence of that lady.
@@The-Cat Providing weather info is not ATC’s primary job, especially to an IFR capable aircraft equipped with weather radar.
@@The-Cat ATC did provide him with enough info for a competent IFR rated pilot to navigate and decide on a best course. There can be no blame on ATC for a lying idiot bumbling around where he had no business being.
@@The-CatATC is like the cops... People will always kiss their asss and say they were in the right even if their actions helped kill someone
@@helipilotuh1 I agree with you! ATC gives 'advise', and the PIC decides the course of action.
I REALLY appreciate your use of the map showing the course of the aircraft, and the weather conditions!! Especially when deviations are given by ATC. It's VERY important to me anyway.
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very good vid thank you
I had to play it again to make sure I heard right - 312 hours of flight time???
It is not fair to blame the controller in any way, she gave the pilot plenty of opportunities to re route the flight. Why don't these pilots just turn around and perhaps land somewhere instead of just pushing on! Did the pilot check the weather on route? I doubt it if he was confident enough to fly IFR without a certificate. Very good quality video.
She was not helpful so yeah she was partially responsible
@@Thatsallihavetosayaboutthatwell that part hasnt been explained in this video. "Cloud tops" or whatever it is, why didnt she have that info. Was she incompetent or was the data not available to her for any technical reasons or whatever. Also, it seems highly dubious that a plane should disintegrate for no apparent reason. If its just "oh it was just bad weather ", it would scare off a lot of people from flying in a plane ever. I guess NTSB came up with their usual monkey business of producing a report that wouldn't hurt aviation in any way, for whatever sum they chose to extort from the relevant plane maker.
@@Thatsallihavetosayaboutthat she was as helpful as one would expect when interacting with a pilot on an IFR flight plan in a high performance turbine powered airplane. Sad as it is to say but this is a rich guy who had a plane way out of his league without an instrument ticket. essentially a private pilot "child of the magenta", autopilot dependant individual. ATC has no culpability here!. She gave him carte blanche to deviate either way. not much more she could have offered him short of flying his plane for him.
Don't EVEN attempt to put any blame on the controller. These guys put loaded guns to everyone's heads when they decided to do the flight. They hit a big bump; the guns went off.
While tragic this is the stuff that gives GA a bad name and causes insurance rates to be so high. neither one of these pilots had any business to be flying such an aircraft.
Exactly! What a legacy. Killing everyone because you were a know-it-all! It's becoming a broken record.
This is wrong! It’s the PIC’s responsibility. Many times that means waiting out the weather or changing a routing.
A 300 hr pilot and a 1000 hr should not be flying that aircraft! They don’t know what they don’t know……
In addition, I’ve flown these air and they were 100% overweight at takeoff so that shows you what kind of pilot Mr Bold was.
"Adequate" WX: Don't fly into thunderstorms.
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It's so sad and pathetic that people are dying due to a pilot's lack of common sense and expertise.
Good narrator everything clearly explained.
Never thought I’d hear Easton airport mentioned on TH-cam
In Vietnam it was.."There's absolutely no reason to fly into a thunderstorm during peacetime"...
No question, pilot error. He had radar. He also could have diverted or turned around and landed. Both pilots continued into that monster storm. WTF? Wish they didn't take their poochies.
What about the wives? Poor orphans.
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That would be terrifying and a real shame
I was told a long time ago. If you rely on ATC for weather avoidance, you won't live very long. Their job is to route traffic, not read weather...
7:18..If he was "concerned about the weather ahead", then ANY person with the SLIGHTEST bit of common sense, not to mention, anyone who gives a DAMN about other people's lives LITERALLY being in their hands; would have simply turned around and gone back to Florida. As my late dad who was a WWII B-17 pilot, and a G.A. pilot until he was nearly 80, always said; "When other people's lives depend on your flying skills..when in doubt, DON'T". BTW..Once he turned 70, he WOULD NOT carry passengers, unless there was another person with a PPL, in the right-hand seat.
I'm not buying your narrative of events one bit. It wasn't the controller's fault that this guy flew into a thunder cell. I didn't hear the controller denied one single request to deviate so all he had to do was fly around it. I'm sorry but don't blame the controller for the bad acts of the pilot.
“Is that ok for us?”!! If you don’t KNOW turn around! Amazing 7 kids orphaned because two arrogant guys think they can outsmart physics.
If I saw all that weather I would not have attempted the trip or if I found myself in that situation I'd land immediately. I flew from the keys to Tampa countless times and I stopped many times at various airports along the way waiting for storms to pass. Very sad story!
This is not ATC’s fault. Low experienced pilot with poor judgment. Have spent many hours at non planned airports when experiencing similar weather. Better to be on the ground waiting than trying to find the impossible hole in the weather.
He wanted the controller to fly his flight for him...not their job!! The controller did everything right, the pilot just kept on fishing for someone else to make his decisions for him. Already been said below, but I'll say it again, he should never have taken off, and certainly not as pic. Imo. Good job on the sound and graphics, btw.
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This level of poor airmanship on all levels made this accident inevitable at a point in time. It came due here but ultimately would have at some point. RIP & condolences to the families. ATC, as a person who had a degree in this and was hired by the FAA (didn't pursue, long story) most controllers have zero flight experience as a PIC. Never assume they can bail you out nor assume they know what it's like in the cockpit.
The crazy part is he knew weather was bad. Gotta trust your gut.
If the ATC wouldn't give you what you need in terms of weather & safety, you do what you have to do to keep our aircraft safe and tell the ATC what you're forced to do. You even deviate into a restricted zone if you have to for safety. Better planning and willingness to cancel your flight would avoid all that.
How do you even get insured without an instrument rating for an aircraft of that caliber?
A friend and his wife and two kids never traveled on the same plane together. Always flew in two groups.
But they probably all rode in the same automobile. Where the odds of getting killed are exponentially greater. 🤷♂️
@@rapman5791But the driver probably had more than 312 hours of experience driving a car.
@@sojerz6092 The problem is that the hours driving have little influence on a high speed drunk driver running red light at an intersection on your 1 billion hours driving experience.... Physics doesn't give a damn about such a wrong place, wrong time situations
Or a tire burst on a highway... Or whatever unforseen variables...
It really sucks 😢
Back in the 1960s and 1970s, my father booked separate flights, so the whole family would not be lost in one crash. He would leave a will on the kitchen table before we left as well. There were a lot more crashes back then.
@@The-Cat GA is a lot more unforgiving when it comes to pilot skill, training and safety habits vs driving. And from recent articles I've been reading, is not safer than driving necessarily. People tend to group Airliners and GA together when citing safety stats, but they're vastly different regarding safety oversight. Driving fatality stats vary from state to state, city to city. Living in a rural area alone would likely mean lower fatalities per mile driven.
Personally, I would choose an airliner or driving vs flying in any small aircraft.
These two were way over their heads. NTSB (Memorandum for Record) from Ralph E. Hicks to Dan Kelly issued 08/13/2020: "So, in a nutshell, neither pilot was legal to operate as pilot in command of this flight". Gregory Boll wasn't even an instrument rated pilot, so he couldn't even be flying at 27,000 feet. Yet, he filed an IFR plan illegally, which was an incredible audacity. In regard to the other pilot Felix Laquidara, who was really a passenger as per flight plan, he was a private pilot with an instrument rating, but, he was out of currency. His last flight review was 10/03/2017. In sum, they lack the proper weather competencies, flight navigation experience, IFR rating + currency; even weight and balance calculation and distribution, they couldn't do, and that plane departed way to fat (out of limit).
Those small planes are no match for Thunder Clouds ✈️
Very sad and more so as it was quite avoidable! Fly around the storm clouds or turn back before it's too late. Weather radar on board isn't there to fill up the instrument panel.
I know the feeling when you just want to get home to your own bed regardless of the risk.
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The pilot had every opportunity to simply turn around and fly at a later time… get there itest killed everyone aboard… The compounding stupidity of both pilots & the air traffic controller is astounding…
He had weather radar. Why did he fly directly into a storm?
He probably didn't know how to operate or interpret what the radar was showing. VFR regulations require you to remain clear of clouds so he likely had minimal knowledge of the system. That aircraft was equipped with much better WX radar than controllers have.
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Sorry, that air traffic controller had no clue what she was doing!
Plenty of rich people out there who have or will eventually fly themselves to their own demise. It’s even more of a tragedy when they take their children down with them. They might be orphans but at least they were not on board and are alive. Jeff Buckaloo and Ron Bramlage are just a couple that come to mind.
How foolish can you be, not rated to fly in the bad stuff and you fly right into. That flight was a no go from the beginning. If you don't respect this hobby that we love, it will kill you. All those kids without parents now. I prey that I never act that stupid. Why didn't this guy do a 180 and get the hell out of there. RIP to all and the dogs.
Let me get this straight; he wasn’t qualified to operate an IFR flight, he was seriously under-experienced to be anywhere near an aircraft of this perormance and complexity, he had an appalling attitude to weight and balance and held aviation in contempt, yet the controller is somehow to blame?? With 20,000 hours of mostly multi-engine IFR experience, I have to say that in an aircraft equipped for adverse weather like the accident aircraft was, she gave more than enough help. Why didn’t the pilot(s) trust their weather radar? Never have I ever asked the pointless question we heard him ask, where he wanted validation of his weather radar return. If it’s painting and the pilot is unsure, go around the return. Period!
Aviation is a wonderful leveller of arrogant human beings; fields, forrests and mountains are littered with the remnants of incredibly gifted and successful men and women, who had no right to occupy the control seat, but who were there solely because they could afford to be.
I feel so very sorry for the dogs.
Thankyou. I'm here defending ATC too. ATC has no way of knowing there is a lying idiot in the cockpit. She provided him with enough information for him to use his experience and instrument to make a good decision. Sadly this dud was not experienced, was not instrument rated and made only bad decisions.
Stupid to blame ATC. Sad about the dogs and the kids left behind.
Who knows may be the dogs survived. Did they find the remains. The authorities didn't even bother searching the area for plane parts. May be the dogs lived happily ever after in those woods.
I have no sympathy with pilots like this.. I don't waste it.. Better to reserve it for the trusting passengers who relied on his integrity to keep them safe. 350 or so hours? No IR and not even the common sense to get airborne early in the day offering the best chance to avoid build-ups that at the time of year are as predictable as the calendar itself.. For all those 'successful' amateur pilots still alive out there today, being a brain surgeon is not much of an achievement if you don't use your brain, being a cardiac-surgeon means nothing if you don't have the heart to consider the lives of your loved ones and being a successful lawyer is nothing if you don't stick to the rules.
Very well said!
Great. I hate the "but he died so lets not talk truth " ideology
Truly so sad for the wives and families.. What a waste of successful lives and futures
When a dude pretends to be a competent flyer, all actions from ATC or other personnel becomes irrelevant. He filed an IFR flight plan so ATC ofc treated him as a skilled pilot.
Overweight and undereducated, this is 100% pilot error and I want to apologize to ATC for any harsh words directed towards her.
She was at fault too
The lady helping seems like she didn’t want to do her job which is very serious just like the 911 operators
I don't place any blame on the controller here, the pilot had all the information he needed from his onboard radar to avoid this situation.
As the pilot you and ONLY you know better and are responsible for the safe flight of your aircraft He flew right through the storm killing everyone on board. On top of this he had no IFR rating. Just another example of get there-itis and having more money then brains. And if im well off like most of these dead pilots, I would spend the money on a parachute system wether it helps or not!?!?
Wait this guy wasn't ifr? Wtf was he thinking
Poor puppies damn it
am i missing something, the controller simply doesnt have the weather infromation at the time, how is she supposed to help more than she already was?
Air traffic controller shares some of the blame.
I think of the crash of N100EK in November of 1992. I remember hearing about it on the radio driving north on I-5 as I was passing Boeing Field. It's was raining so hard that my wipers on high speed were marginal.
If it's raining in Seattle, it's dumping snow in the Cascades.
A couple and their two sons and another couple. 6 total dead. Horrible. One of the adults was a WSU Regent. So what?
They didnt have to be at that UW-WSU Apple Cup football game.
Another case of "gotta get theritis."
Great presentation. Were there any SIGMETS (Significant Meteorological Info) published for that weather at the time he was filing his flight plan? I can't imagine the weather came up that quickly.
I worked for am aircraft manufacturer and there was always a problem with pilots who thought that they could do anything. We once lost a case, somewhat similar to this, because the jury decided that "...airplanes shouldn't break up." Just like cars shouldn't crumple if you drive them into a bridge abutment at 90 mph.
Even if the FAA doesn't catch those with bad judgement, Darwin will. Sad to hear about this but the PIC had little experience and brought this on himself and the people that trusted him paid the ultimate price for his lack of judgement.
Rich people problems...sadly, their own actions skirting protocol have their families with a lifetime of pain.
Nope, you lost me at "two family dogs." I can only stomach human casualties.
What was really terrible is the women didn’t realize how dangerous it was to fly with these two unqualified “ pilots “ ! ! Sorry ! !
What in the world is a guy without an instrument rating doing flying a turboprop? I am assuming that he was flying without insurance. I can't imagine any insurance company covering a low time VFR pilot in a pressurized turboprop.
Again what was the possibility if they had parachutes on the plane could it help them to escape?
Just another example of the checkbook being thicker than the logbook.
Why are you blaming the controller. What can she do in such a situation. Its you who is flying the plane, and if you end up in a storm, she cant pull you out.
As pilots, WE are the final decision maker. Not ATC.
Declare an emergency if needed. Do what is required in the moment to save yourself n passengers... So needlessly tragic, RIP
The ATC only provides whatever information they have, the pilot ultimately is the one that sees the weather in real time. Also the pilot wasnt all that by the book, haviing no IFR rating and flying an overweight plan. Even if the ATC gave them all the appropriate weather info, the pilot would have still flown by the seat of his pants.
He could have slowed down to 180 knots
Yes, ABSOLUTELY he should have slowed to maneuvering speed… A PA46 is such a “slick” a/c that it will go through Max speed (Vne) very easily .
Combination of turbulence and overgrossed was a deadly scenario
@hankcarter1021 yeah wing loading was abnormally high, he hit the turbulence at 260 knots.. vne would have been lower because of the already high wing load. Turbulence throws you up 1000 fpm then slams you down 1000 fpm. He starts jerking the elevator around and breaks the taill off. Low time pilots with lot of money don't understand aerodynamics and structure limits.
This is a flight I would’ve avoided like the plague. The controller could possibly have been more helpful, but this pilot has increased his workload by more than I’d be comfortable with.
I like to know indicated airspeed in knots at the time of the accident . Was he flying at maneuvering speed
The air traffic controller was absolutely useless, which is the opposite of her job.
It is easy to be a general after the battle. Sometimes shit happens in flight and PIC just has to deal with it the best they can. My primary philosophy has always been: better safe, then sorry and always have enough fuel to go around any bad weather.
It can’t happen to me!! People, it can and it does. When you takeoff or fly around bad weather, it’s just increasing the odds against you. The rest is up to you.
PIC "Pilot In Command" No one else was flying the plane. No one else was responsible for the plane. Sadly this pilot was the author of his own demise.
Birds fly-people try
100% the pilots fault.
How come they say turbulence cannot take a plane down, that they are meant to fly in those conditions, but then there are so many videos of planes breaking up in the air?
Once again, an incompetent amateur pilot with an ego makes poor decisions and kills hid entire family. No responsible man would take his family into weather like that, or take such chances with nothing on the line and no reason to. Just grossly irresponsible. The narrator needs to stop trying to blame ATC. I would never get on a plane with a hobby pilot w/out a professional in the right seat. You couldn't give me enough money to put my family on one.