Why the M1 MacBook Air won't last forever.

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  • @DefinitelyNattox
    @DefinitelyNattox 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +785

    The MacBook Air M1 was so good that it’s been the biggest obstacle for the M2 and M3 MacBook Airs in my opinion. For the average person, an M1 Air is still more than enough.

    • @MrTimmy10101
      @MrTimmy10101 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

      for the average person the 2012 MacBook Pro is still more than enough

    • @kookesstuff
      @kookesstuff 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      ​@@MrTimmy10101M1 is still better for an average consumer or person given its better/modern user experience with it

    • @Marngel
      @Marngel 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      @@MrTimmy10101 Eh, while it can get the basics done, average people do want some things like a half-decent display and really good battery life which are things that a 2012 MacBook Pro lack

    • @Emanuel-yb3qk
      @Emanuel-yb3qk 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I second this. Moreover, there won’t exist any machine that last forever haha.

    • @wendellsmalls637
      @wendellsmalls637 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      i am typing on my m1 Air. 100% a good investment.

  • @TheLime-wd3yu
    @TheLime-wd3yu 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +577

    I think the fact that a fanless 8gb base model only "slows down a bit" when you have loads of Chrome tabs open, are editing 4k footage, doing music production, AND have Photoshop open is a testament to just how capable these machines are. An Intel MBA at the same price point would have started to choke just with mid to heavy web browsing!

    • @CianMcsweeney
      @CianMcsweeney 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      It's insane that it slows down at all, what significant new features has chrome added in the last 4 years to warrant any slowdown? Software is atrophying at an alarming rate imo

    • @ewanmcdonagh2827
      @ewanmcdonagh2827 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@CianMcsweeney macOS as well, feature wise Mojave and Ventura aren’t too far apart in everyday use, but the performance is fast vs infuriatingly sluggish on a 2017 MacBook.

    • @TheLime-wd3yu
      @TheLime-wd3yu 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      My theory is that the number of Chrome tabs you have open will expand to fill the capabilities of your device- if your 4gb i5 Air slows down at 10 tabs you'll learn to live with 10 tabs, if you get a new device that can handle more you'll leave tabs open until you notice issues 😂

    • @CianMcsweeney
      @CianMcsweeney 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ewanmcdonagh2827 for sure, OS’s are definitely also to blame

    • @WayneKerr69420
      @WayneKerr69420 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      from experience, the i3 MacBook Air would have the fans go full blast (along with the fan buzzing for me) and it would be too hot to touch... all with 2 youtube tabs open

  • @dylanlutchman94
    @dylanlutchman94 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +363

    The "Base, Cheapest" M1 Air isn't meant to edit 4K videos with all those other software open.
    How many of us here actually edit 4K videos on a daily basis? Becuase that's all reviewers talk about.
    I've had my M1 Air for 3 months and I'm positively surprised everytime I use it. If you're an average, everyday user, GET IT!

    • @lingtondaniel
      @lingtondaniel 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      It's stupendously good
      I upgraded from a gen 2 i3
      I ain't ever looking back

    • @umokay4177
      @umokay4177 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      I’ve had mine nearly 3 years already. The time flies lol. But I have no problems at all with editing performance or anything really. It’s an amazing computer. Blows my old 11” intel I5 MacBook that had 4gb ram outta the water 😂

    • @bassyey
      @bassyey 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Haha youtubers are stupid. They think everyone has the same workflow as them.

    • @robertodimolfetta5505
      @robertodimolfetta5505 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And if you close everything M1 air is perfectly able to edit 4K videos without using Swap.

    • @piotrd.4850
      @piotrd.4850 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Most people editing 4k videos will be cropping 4k smartphone shot videos for family and saloon TV. Still - 4k is 4k.

  • @JinsTechh
    @JinsTechh 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +129

    I just bought one brand new, one week ago! $650 on Walmart, it’s perfect still feels snappy and new.

    • @dylantrbt
      @dylantrbt 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      i wish i lived in the us just because of all the walmart macbook deals i hear about lol

    • @jameswaters5133
      @jameswaters5133 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      That's a great machine for an awesome price. I've had my M1 Air over two years now - fairly light tasks, but used every day - and it's the best laptop I've ever used: solid, fast, efficient, quiet, reliable, cool, light. Intend to keep it going as long as possible.

    • @goobfilmcast4239
      @goobfilmcast4239 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Great Value !!!!!

    • @faithpurselover3932
      @faithpurselover3932 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I just did the same a couple of days ago! It’s such a great laptop for great value.

    • @ThunderStruck94660
      @ThunderStruck94660 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@faithpurselover393210 years from now, this will still be more than anyone needs, but Apple will slow it down and stop supporting it unfortunately.

  • @jonathanvandenberg3571
    @jonathanvandenberg3571 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

    I bought an M1 air base model, learned coding on it, got into the tech industry 2 years ago (full stack), still using it for work. Never had a problem. And i mean NEVER had a problem.

    • @Safayatmahbub-pf7lr
      @Safayatmahbub-pf7lr หลายเดือนก่อน

      Its 8gb ram?

    • @p2hku
      @p2hku 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@Safayatmahbub-pf7lrbase model is 8gb so yes

  • @blindmown
    @blindmown 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    I travel with mine all the time. It's fallen down a flight of stairs, been thrown around in baggage, had coffee spilled on it, all the corners are just destroyed from dropping it, etc.
    Yet it works as well as it did when I first bought it. The battery health is fine, the metal shell means any damage is just superficial, and it just keeps chugging along.
    I will just never bother upgrading until this thing is literally clinging onto life. It's by far the best money I've ever spent on a tech product just from a sheer $ hours used perspective.

    • @gianpio2696
      @gianpio2696 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Stop abusing your macbook omg

    • @bangbuddy5597
      @bangbuddy5597 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@gianpio2696 lmao

  • @LuizHenrique730
    @LuizHenrique730 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    I got mine in 2021 and it's still going strong! Use it for heavy coding and running loads of apps and it runs so smoothly. Insane laptop!

  • @151mcx
    @151mcx 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

    Yawn.... It's still a perfect laptop in 2025...

    • @jeffrey3498
      @jeffrey3498 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Even if it isn't 2025 🤣👍

  • @kienhwengtai8113
    @kienhwengtai8113 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +137

    The worst issue would be SSD dying because it's soldered onboard. If the previous user has been thrashing the memory, the SSD will worn down much faster. Apple SSD chips have their own special firmware so soldering your replacement SSD chips on is harder than you think.

    • @lachlanlau
      @lachlanlau 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      iBoff viewer i see..

    • @Mshi-
      @Mshi- 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That really sucks

    • @tonyburzio4107
      @tonyburzio4107 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      However, we are still waiting the the supposed rapid SSD failures, and it hasn't appeared even though the machines are reaching end of life.

    • @niebieskimotyl3308
      @niebieskimotyl3308 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tonyburzio4107 yes, my 124 GB 2014 Macbook SSD still going strong

    • @Etienne85
      @Etienne85 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      absolutely, he forgot to mention the most important concern about Macbook Air: SSD wearing over time due to intense swapping to compensate the very limited amount of RAM embedded. If only we could both update RAM and replace SSD in case of failure that would make this machine last forever.

  • @lenn2541
    @lenn2541 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +69

    I have 246 cycles and 86% left. My ports feel both nearly as good as on the first day.

    • @lachlanlau
      @lachlanlau 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Indeed, usb-c is designed to put the wear on cables..

    • @theodortelliez3321
      @theodortelliez3321 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@lachlanlau that's true. only yesterday i replaced the usb-c cable that came with my mba in 2021 and i'm at almost 600 cycles. The port ist still in perfect condition

    • @anonymous-entity
      @anonymous-entity 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@theodortelliez3321What's your battery health percent

    • @cosmic_gate476
      @cosmic_gate476 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Still at 95% battery life on mine thankfully

    • @WhiteG60
      @WhiteG60 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Battery life on mine is the only thing I have any complaints about. That and I scratched the shit out of the glass on the screen when a screwdriver rolled off a table and hit it, but that's my own fault. I used to go DAYS without charging and now it seems to drain MUCH faster. Mine also claims 86%. It's still 'fine' but i miss the days of it seemingly lasting forever.

  • @iam_zafer
    @iam_zafer 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    I got one of these models as soon as it was released. After almost 4 years, the battery life started to bother me. A diagnosis at the Apple Store showed that my MacBook had a battery capacity of 81%. I decided to get the battery replaced, and now I'm satisfied with it again.

    • @telcobilly
      @telcobilly 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      what was the cost of the battery swap? thanks

    • @iam_zafer
      @iam_zafer 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@telcobilly it cost me 185 Euros

    • @supak00pa82
      @supak00pa82 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@telcobillyIt’s ~$159 from the Apple website

    • @Goodmanperson55
      @Goodmanperson55 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      80% after two years is actually impressive for battery longevity. You would usually expect other batteries to fall 60% after the same period of time. I personally wouldn't even bother replacing it at 81% health.

  • @ethanjrdz
    @ethanjrdz 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +101

    The 2020 MBA is the modern 2015 Macbook Pro. At least on them if you ran out of software support you could either upgrade via OpenCore legacy or use it as a windows machine. That can’t be said (yet) about apple silicon macs, only certain linux distributions are available. Hopefully in the future this gets addressed, since I can bet the M1 despite aging will still be relevant, and nerds won’t let it die if possible

    • @KK-gg8sk
      @KK-gg8sk 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      If 2020 MBA is like 2015 MBP, what about M1 MBP then? 🙂

    • @houssamalucad753
      @houssamalucad753 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      2015 macbook pro is the best intel generation ever.

    • @houssamalucad753
      @houssamalucad753 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@KK-gg8skbetter than both, but too expensive.

    • @ethanjrdz
      @ethanjrdz 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@KK-gg8sk Since specs aren’t that different, and the MBA is way cheaper used, follows de philosophy than the 2015 MBP did, and so the unibody 2012 MBP before that: one of the best laptop’s value of the time.

    • @joh2434
      @joh2434 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      When my M1 Mini can’t get any more upgrades it’ll get Asahi Linux installed and connected to a TV for streaming

  • @davidharrison7030
    @davidharrison7030 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    Revivifying it in incipient old age, the M1 Air is getting Apple Intelligence. Case closed. I spoke to an Apple engineer who said that if you are using the M1 Air and unless there is some special use-case, there is no reason to upgrade it until the M5 comes out. I am sticking with my 16gb, 8-core, 512gb gold masterpiece, which still blows through all the ordinary tasks I put it through, for some time to come!

    • @piotrd.4850
      @piotrd.4850 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      M1 are still available. If somebody runs it from 2021 onwards - no need to upgrade indeed. If one wishes or needs to enter Apple ecosystem though....except of software support, this would still be viable machine, especially with 16 GB of RAM.

    • @corey7219
      @corey7219 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I found one of that model on ebay for $630. Should I get it?

    • @dopeoplereadhandles
      @dopeoplereadhandles 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@corey7219 depends, if its the base 8gb model, 256gb storage then no, you can get them for 599 at walmart. if its a 16gb/512gb model thats a REALLY good deal as they are like 800 dollars, the M1 air is my travel laptop, no issues so far!

  • @Halfbit_0
    @Halfbit_0 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

    If OS bloat is the concern, you could always install Asahi Linux after macos starts slowing down

    • @eblaze143
      @eblaze143 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Works good for the M series?

    • @pneumatiquenoir
      @pneumatiquenoir 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@eblaze143 it's specifically and exclusively a distro made for apple M series

    • @eblaze143
      @eblaze143 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@pneumatiquenoir wow that’s cool, thanks for the info

    • @s8err1
      @s8err1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      it lacks important features still, but by the time the m1 will start to feel sluggish it should be done. it's ubfortunate that a lot of models have just 8gb of ram as that will for sure be the thing that will make the mba obsolete

    • @Takuma_Sakazaki
      @Takuma_Sakazaki 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Rather than going to Asahi Linux. It's better to just stay at Sonoma for years. 😂

  • @mikem2132
    @mikem2132 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    The most demanding software I use my on laptop is Microsoft Excel. Occasionally (maybe twice a year) I'll edit a video on iMovie, but I'm usually just checking emails and watching TH-cam. With that being said, I think my M1 MacBook Air is the perfect laptop for me.

  • @utkarsharyan
    @utkarsharyan 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I have 922 cycles and 79% battery life. For me this still feels just as new as it was when I first bought it. All the ports working fine and it still handles nearly everything that I throw at it.
    And this thing has taken a beating. I bought it before I started University. And for the last 4 years, I have dragged it to countless classes, study sessions, hackathons, competitions, events etc. I have made countless projects, presentations, notes in this thing and it has handled everything smoothly.
    For me this is the perfect laptop just because of how light, battery efficient and powerful it is. This thing has saved me several times when I had to pull an all nighter before a critical test without needing a charge.
    And even though I finished Uni and have started working. This thing is still perfect as a personal laptop.

    • @just51835
      @just51835 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You did Great job people change laptops like a phone now a days - i think it will still hold about 4 hours on normal use does it ?

  • @donathan258
    @donathan258 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    To comment on the ports, the part (from Apple) to replace both ports is only around $15. Pricing for the labor to replace them may vary from place to place, but once inside, the replacement is incredibly simple, requiring only the removal of 4 screws. You can even order the part directly from Apple through self service repair. I highly recommend anyone do this if they are purchasing one used, and working on your own laptop will make you feel like a king.

    • @BSingh-on4qr
      @BSingh-on4qr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The ports aren't soldered on?

  • @TheNeosw
    @TheNeosw 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I have this Macbook M1 air, and a macbook pro m1 Max, my macbook air still run perfectly, battery capacity is 99% and I had purchase the 16 gb RAM model in 2021. I do not have to limit my self when using it and never had any issue. I use it for programming and need to run Docker but no issue there.
    Very happy with this computer

  • @franktiger7486
    @franktiger7486 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    I still love my MBA with M1. It has 16 GB of RAM and 1 TB of storage. I’m using AlDente Pro to keep my battery fresh. I limited it to a max. load of 75% and it still has 99% of its design capacity. I use it with of DisplayLink capable USB hub with two 27“ UHD displays to reduce wear and tear of the USB ports.
    I hope that Apple will support it for many more years. My old MBP mid 2012 still runs as reserve with OCLP and macOS Sonoma. It‘s still usable for light tasks, but fans are running continuously.

    • @smolbodybuilder1602
      @smolbodybuilder1602 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Are there any other must have programs? I’m buying one for my mom and i want it to be as hassle free as possible

    • @franktiger7486
      @franktiger7486 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@smolbodybuilder1602, no, AlDente is the app to keep the battery good for a long time. The other component that wears over time is the SSD. If your mom used the MacBook for light task, also one with 256 GB should be ok.

    • @advxed
      @advxed 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      question, how well has displaylink been working for you? i’ve heard many bad things about the technology but its really the only choice one has if they want to use more than one external display with machines like the M1 MacBooks.

    • @franktiger7486
      @franktiger7486 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@advxed , with DisplayLink driver 1.8 everything worked fine. Of cause if an external display is directly connected to the MBA-M1, moving windows on the screen is a bit faster as via DiplayLink hub. With 60 Hz DisplayLink is ok, while with 30 Hz is to slow.
      With DisplayLink driver 1.9 and 1.10 HDMI sucks on my LG UL27550, while it works fine with 60 Hz on my LG UL27500. Both monitors have the same IPS display. The only difference is the the 550 can be turned by 90 degrees, while the 500 can’t. For 60 Hz Freesync has to be activated on the LG monitors. On the 550 either I have to use only 30 Hz with HDMI and the gray lines in the list of Finder windows are there while they are gone with 60 Hz. HDMI with 60 Hz on both monitors worked always fine with driver version 1.8. The support knows about the issue but can‘t solve it. With DisplayPort instead of HDMI output of the DisplayLink hub for the 550, it works fine with 60 Hz. But I need the DisplayPort input of the monitor with my PC, where the GPU has three DisplayPort outputs and only one with HDMI.
      If you use DisplayLink please check first whether the driver works with new main versions of macOS, before upgrading. So it‘s far away from perfect, but the only chance with an M1 or M2 MacBook.

    • @advxed
      @advxed 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@franktiger7486 thanks a lot for the info! hopefully i won’t have as many issues with refresh rates as you did, either way i’ll definitely keep your advice in mind.

  • @himynameisryan
    @himynameisryan 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    The “flaws” you mentioned don’t really matter to the target market

  • @davep6603
    @davep6603 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I've had mine 3.5 years now. The only problem has been (what I thought was) a dead USB-C port. I brought it into Apple and it turned out it was just dusty---they cleaned it for free. I'm guessing my M1 will keep running solid for years to come.

    • @telcobilly
      @telcobilly 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That's why I use magnetic, high wattage, high bandwidth gold connectors on ALL of my USBC devices. Very cheap insurance against wear and damage not to mention the convenience too.

  • @duartefilipepereiraneves6933
    @duartefilipepereiraneves6933 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    watching this on my maxed out M1 MacBook Pro. I'm in love with this computer. I'm a college student so the battery like is much appreciated and it's honestly a flex. I don't see myself upgrading anytime soon.

  • @dimitrified
    @dimitrified 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    And still a better design than the M2-3. Long live the wedge.

    • @ThunderStruck94660
      @ThunderStruck94660 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Love the wedge!

    • @BSingh-on4qr
      @BSingh-on4qr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      plus the label of macbook air on the bezel makes the space feel used

  • @gxtvog
    @gxtvog 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Bought mine early this year and couldn't be more happy, it's serves me perfectly.

  • @TheEntries
    @TheEntries หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I still use a 2015 MBP. What a beast. Have to upgrade soon as I can afford to but wow the 2015 has been good

  • @abz7800
    @abz7800 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    the MacBook airs being the only fanless laptops on the market are such a huge advantage for me .

  • @burperking2788
    @burperking2788 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i got my base air m1 back in 2020 when it came out and it was my first and probably only first gen apple product bought. it's one of the best tech decisions i've ever made and i don't plan on switching soon because it still offers everything i need. when i do i'll probably get a 16gb. i'm currently in doubt about updating to macos sequoia...

  • @badiyee
    @badiyee 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A realistic take without sugarcoating. I appreciate it.

  • @onceuponfewtime
    @onceuponfewtime 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This machine is so smooth that I feel more productive

  • @mhdluqman
    @mhdluqman 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I bought my M1 MBA when it was launched, still using it now and I have no problem at all.
    I only use it for word processing, power point, browsing, watching movies, and video calling.
    For all of those, it works really really well.
    Maybe the only problem is now the battery health, but otherwise I am happy to hold onto it until it's no longer salvageable.

    • @tanisha22
      @tanisha22 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Have you updated to macos 15?

    • @mhdluqman
      @mhdluqman 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tanisha22 not yet. is there any issue after updating to MacOS 15?

  • @amzires
    @amzires 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    The only real threat to the life of the MacBook M1 is Apple, which will one day stop sending updates

    • @ThunderStruck94660
      @ThunderStruck94660 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How long will Apple support? My M1 air still works like the day I bought it (I think I bought it in 2020).

    • @amzires
      @amzires 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@ThunderStruck94660 Approximately six to eight years

    • @TadParker
      @TadParker 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The latest OS for the Mac Air 2020 will still be supported for 3-5 years by 3rd party software. So, it'll only really start turning into junk from 2028....

    • @albertopartida2210
      @albertopartida2210 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@TadParker My mother is still working with a 2012 macbook air 😅. Firefox is still working and she has the old apple port of office, which was a life license.

    • @Tavs.fāters
      @Tavs.fāters หลายเดือนก่อน

      You can put Sonoma on 2013 old Mac so no problem there

  • @BSingh-on4qr
    @BSingh-on4qr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Had this with 16GB RAM but there's many apps as an engineering student that this didn't support. Now proudly a framework laptop owner

  • @joh2434
    @joh2434 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Still got an M1 Air and Mini, not upgrading any time soon 😊 only needed a replacement battery for the Air this year and still going strong as it only gets used for uni work

  • @omarluna5840
    @omarluna5840 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for explaining this. I’m in the process of getting a laptop after like four years of not using one.

  • @jaspercas
    @jaspercas 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I think the common failure point is the soldered ssd which is difficult to replace because the NANDs need to be programmed and the SSD controller itself is in the SOC

  • @rileycrossin2617
    @rileycrossin2617 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I just got my battery and usb c ports replaced. my battery lasted just over 900 cycles

  • @riverandquiver909
    @riverandquiver909 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    I’m going to steal it

    • @zxmilo
      @zxmilo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      *police force joined the chat*

    • @y87_99Firebird
      @y87_99Firebird 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The Declaration of Independence??

    • @wind2536
      @wind2536 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Give it back Jamal

    • @montaguebarnabasltd
      @montaguebarnabasltd  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      no

  • @Takuma_Sakazaki
    @Takuma_Sakazaki 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Still using M1 and won't be upgrading at least until the M4 or M5. What a beast.

  • @eboymario
    @eboymario 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I bought mines in early 2022, and if I would’ve know that the M2 was gonna come out 2 months later I could’ve waited, but my M1 Air is working fine, now it is starting to show it age though.

    • @markehijele
      @markehijele 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What about it is showing its age?

  • @JoATTech
    @JoATTech 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wish I had 16GB version, but at the time when I was buying additional 8GB of RAM was +33% to the price ... insane. Still going strong as everyday laptop.

  • @DaleClaassen
    @DaleClaassen 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Picked up an excellent condition M1 MBA 16gb 512gig model on eBay last month for around £380.
    I use an M2 Pro Mac Mini for more intensive work but this M1 MBA… powerhouse for day to day tasks, especially when I need it on the go.
    Incredible value for money and soooo quick! If you don’t own a laptop or are still on Intel Macs, budget wise - these are amazing laptops to consider in 2024. Yes, newer designs are probably worth it if you can afford it but bang for buck, you can’t really find much better.

    • @montaguebarnabasltd
      @montaguebarnabasltd  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Crazy deal! Sounds like a good setup.

    • @Tigerex966
      @Tigerex966 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yea resale fir the more base models is not good because there is no upgrade path and once the ssd goes the machine is a brick and dead.
      And there's no way to truly tell when it will die.

  • @mendodsoregonbackroads6632
    @mendodsoregonbackroads6632 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I have an M2 Air. I barely use either of those ports. It does have MagSafe though, unlike the M1 Air. Two Type C ports are enough for my use.

  • @VaporBaked94
    @VaporBaked94 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m using a base model M2 Mac mini for browsing and very light productivity. I was honestly fine using just my iPad Pro but needed MacOS for one specific program.
    These entry level chips don’t give much performance for anything demanding but are leaps and bounds better than your average family computers were when I was a kid.

  • @JmanAnimates
    @JmanAnimates 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    if mine survives, I will replace it late next year

  • @mikaelbiilmann6826
    @mikaelbiilmann6826 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice breakdown of a wonderful machine.
    Will be looking at M2 airs… This year I finally sold my 2015 MacBook Pro and 2013 21” iMac. 😢

  • @telcobilly
    @telcobilly 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I still have my 2020 M1 MBA. I set it up to last. Keyboard cover, real stone upper/lower skins, tempered glass screen protector and even a colored matched palm rest covers. I have high wattage gold plated magnetic connectors for charging and data..ZERO wear and strain on the two USB C ports. I use it for 95% media consumption. No 4k video editing. It never gets hot. I think it will last awhile for my use case..

    • @JP-sn7cd
      @JP-sn7cd 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not good to put that on laptop can cause screen to crack and keys to break, the tolerances are too fine

  • @shaneshane8462
    @shaneshane8462 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for leaving us with a positive review. I am new to the Apple platform and look forward to getting to know the M1 MacBook Air hand-me-down I happily received from a sibling. 🙂

  • @Minto107
    @Minto107 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    16GB M1 Air is still more than capable. I'm using one and honestly for my use (doing absolutely nothing tbh) it's pretty good. 80 cycles since 2020

  • @2MikeMoran
    @2MikeMoran 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My M1 has been great. Running strong in 2025! Does what I need, but I don't run or edit video games, etc.

  • @JmanAnimates
    @JmanAnimates 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've got one when it came out and i'm scared as i've just spilled a bit of water on it. praying it's still ok

  • @imixmuan9081
    @imixmuan9081 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Asahi Linux is your friend. I've already installed it on my M1 Macbook, so should CrApple decide to drop support I'll just slide on over to Linux. The power and versatility of this machine still blows my mind.

  • @AceWhitelite
    @AceWhitelite 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I work as a sysadmin and my workhorse is a thinkpad t480 and my secondary device is a m1 macbook air. I have the 16gb of ram / 512gb ssd option.
    It is a beast for 90% of things, still has incredible battery life, and I don't see myself not using it until it falls apart. I will install asahi before binning it.

  • @luki8806
    @luki8806 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Have the base model since launch, using it 8-12 hours a day, best deal of my life. I never play any games on it, I have consoles for that :) For base work/office tasks it's perfect, browsing the web is perfect, also editing a few 4k60fps video from my i13 mini for family stuff, 10-15 minutes videos max and editing is silky smooth in imovie. I will use this as my main pc while it receives security updates, and if it's still alive, it will be used as a secondary machine with linux (not perfect yet, but asahi moves really fast for everyday use). Great machine, it showed me that I never ever need a machine with a fan, the silence is priceless.

  • @f11bot
    @f11bot 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Btw there was also a 8core GPU option initially, same as the MacBook Pro

  • @lachlanlau
    @lachlanlau 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    5:08 I think apple's internal layouts are beautifully done.. everything is matte black, even the fan shrouds are made of metal !

    • @Tigerex966
      @Tigerex966 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      No upgrades are terrible.
      If I could upgrade the memory later Even with slightly slower memory but faster than scratch ssd that would be great.
      No storage upgrade is terrible as apple can easily add a slot and it would be faster than the ssd they have in there now.
      4 TB that's 4000 is $200 retail now twice as fast as apple ssd.
      Apple charges $200 for 256.
      That's from 256 to 512.
      That's insane and they get it cheaper than anyone wholesale.
      That's 16 TIMEs or 1600% higher price than laptops that allow ssd upgrades
      And apples ssd on the base models are 2 to 4 times slower as well..
      This must stop.

  • @gershonvillamor4490
    @gershonvillamor4490 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm using my Macbook Air 2015 as my daily driver and heavily on Photoshop and still going strong even with 2863 cycle counts already LOL! That's why I thought of buying another one however I end up buying a Macbook Pro 2015 instead but its battery is not that good.

  • @FPVwineUK
    @FPVwineUK 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bought mine in 2021, still going strong in 2024 - although the battery count is very close to 800!

  • @FF18Cloud
    @FF18Cloud 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Omg, when I was issued a 2015 MBP at my first job out of college...
    I ended up melting the back screws in 4 years I was there with all the micro services and apps and stuff I had running all the time on it all the time lol

  • @YannickMoss
    @YannickMoss 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My Mac Battery has 750 cycles and 77 percent after starting using it since December 2020.

  • @vismortis
    @vismortis 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    The MBP Retina gen is not unusable as you make it sound. As for worrying if the 2020 M1 will not keep up and thermal throttle for simple stuff, sure at some point but I will bet Apple drops OS updates for it well before that. in 2024 the M1 CPU is still a beast and more then 95% of users need even today. I think YT creators forget they are the 5% that will make use of every bit of power the system has. My 2012 MBP was fine until it stopped turning on last year. For someone using it for web apps, chrome, outlook, etc I have compared my 2014 MBP, 2020 MBP, M1 MBP and M2 MBA and really they perform the same in this case.
    Even my 2017 MB 12" still holds its own for simple stuff.
    Now if I am doing dev work raw speed goes to the M1 Pro then M2 air but the best of the lot is the 2020 MBP since I can run Windows easier on it.
    Also for OS support, its "official support" you can easily bypass the dumb apple locks and upgrade for years after.

    • @ethanjrdz
      @ethanjrdz 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@vismortis Agreed, I’m amazed your 2012 MBP still worked until last year, since my 2016 touchbar MBP died same last year (granted it, most unreliable of modern macbooks). Hopefully apple improves its macbook length as before; if my M2 max MBP lasts same or less than my old 2016 i won’t look at them anymore

    • @zh9732
      @zh9732 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ethanjrdz That was my experience. I bought one of the "good" ones and it had a GPU failure RIGHT after the warranty window closed

    • @houssamalucad753
      @houssamalucad753 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The macbook retinas (pre 2015) are still VERY usable. The 15" models still run great, and the 13" are getting slow due to the dual core processor, but are still usable if you have some patience.

    • @houssamalucad753
      @houssamalucad753 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@zh9732any macbook before 2014 will burn its GPU for absolutely no reason. The 2015 15" was the most reliable macbook according to what I'm seeing.

    • @montaguebarnabasltd
      @montaguebarnabasltd  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They are very usable for many people. I've several videos on my channel talking about and recommending them. I do try to avoid recommending them as much these days though as the end is clearly near for them regarding both software and hardware limitations. Sorry if I came across as too dismissive in my video!

  • @dextermartel6887
    @dextermartel6887 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I still got mine (Base Model) and it's still so good! Still outperforms my Newer Widows laptop (11th Gen Intel i5) with 16GB RAM!

  • @ColinsCity
    @ColinsCity 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The M1 Air is a relic of the Touch Bar/Butteryfly keyboard MacBooks with the lack of ports and MagSafe charger. On the subject of the 2015 MacBook Pro, my sister has 20 internet tabs open at any given time and it never has an issue so it probably does depend what you do on them. I always close my tabs/apps when i'm done even on my iPhone. What did surprise me is that the M1 Air seems to throttle easily and no better than the intel MacBooks but maybe it could be due to the 8GB of RAM that makes it throttle when tabs are open and using editing software?

  • @alexfirth
    @alexfirth 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I had to replace my USB ports, it cost about £18 from Apple's own Self Service Repair store and only took 15 mins to replace.

  • @aidenquinn19975
    @aidenquinn19975 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    4 years is not old. M1 will get updates for at least another 3 years maybe even longer considering this is silicon from Apple directly. I don’t think it’ll last forever but it’ll last long enough to justify a purchase even in 2024

  • @rorywalters1614
    @rorywalters1614 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I think Apple will stop supporting it before the system gets too heavy to run on the M1. My MacBook Pro 2016 on Monterey is about as slow as 2016 lol.

  • @MitchelDirks
    @MitchelDirks 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i dont use mine much, but still amazes me everytime i use it

  • @BorisaComputers
    @BorisaComputers 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have an M1 mini with 16Gb RAM, it runs perfect, uses very little electricity and does not get hot like my 2014 mini. very good machines

    • @BorisaComputers
      @BorisaComputers 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      and never install anything google

  • @codfather6583
    @codfather6583 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Still using my m1 - I'm the odd case using it for final cut, logic pro hosting online rpg games on it. Only drawback is its lack of capacity of 256gb, but other than that its just fine. Cant imagine people not using it for creativity purposes needs anything more than this tbh

  • @vence1407
    @vence1407 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have this MacBook but I’m going to wait until OLED is available in a MacBook Air before I think of upgrading

  • @PLACESNONDESCRIPT
    @PLACESNONDESCRIPT 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    If u have the 8 gb ram 7 core ones that’s tricky

  • @bunbohue369
    @bunbohue369 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am still rocking macbook pro 13 2020 intel i5. My last macbook pro 2013 lasted 7 years, I have sold it to my friend for $250 and she is still rocking it.

  • @sterlingarcher74
    @sterlingarcher74 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I have a 2017 MacBook Pro and it hasn’t let me down yet.

    • @abdinasirmusa8777
      @abdinasirmusa8777 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What are the specs. I am getting a spinning rainbow wheel when i run MS office. Macbook pro 2019 Base model. I upgraded to MacBook air M3 16GB. No more spinning rainbow wheel

    • @eddiesbarnes
      @eddiesbarnes 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’m still using my 2013 MacBook Pro! Works like a dream 😃

    • @IceBlueLugia
      @IceBlueLugia 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sounds impossible. My 2018 MacBook Pro can’t even open apps like Word without 10+ bounces and a spinning wheel for a bit

    • @sterlingarcher74
      @sterlingarcher74 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@IceBlueLugia I mainly use Google workspace at my company, so that may have something to do with it.

    • @qal1n
      @qal1n 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@IceBlueLugia my 2012 macbook pro unibody still the best machine ever used, works flawlessly with sonoma installed through opencore

  • @bigboyswork9900
    @bigboyswork9900 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    watching on a 2012 macbook pro thats running 14.7 only cost me 75$
    and i paired it with a 27 inch cinema display i found at the thrift shop i can use this till actual eyephones are introduced

  • @twatwa1405
    @twatwa1405 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    An M1 air replaced a 2009 pro for me. What I need it for are basic netbook tasks, and for that it’s perfect. I think that the newer air chassis just are not as good from an apparent thin and lightness perspective, and I plan on using my 2020 air for its full life cycle! As far as powerhouses go, I have a decent pc, and my work necessitates a windows laptop, but I will say that for my personal use, one of the top 5 laptops ever made for sure.

  • @veasnanoeun235
    @veasnanoeun235 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm using the M1 MBP 13" 2020! Never fail me once!

  • @Datalanche
    @Datalanche 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The only thing that I see on my M1 Air that's a drag is the camera is kinda garbage, but I almost never use it and I can always use my iPhone camera if I need to. I don't see myself replacing it unless it dies in a way I can't repair outside of AppleCare or macOS updates for it are dropped, whichever comes first. I have an M3 iMac at work and in normal usage/work, I see no difference between the two performance-wise. I went with 16GB memory and 512GB storage so I expect it will run well for a decent while longer.

  • @porehebdkdb1987
    @porehebdkdb1987 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If you're the type of guy who doesn't care about software updates, it can very much last forever. My uncle still uses Mac OS High Sierra and he didn't even know or care until I asked, he was like huh? I know, most people aren't as clueless, but some folks do not ever give a crap about what OS they have.

  • @RolandBechtel
    @RolandBechtel 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    bought a M3 with 16 gigs and 512. Near future proof

  • @opalmams9775
    @opalmams9775 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    With a 16 GB, I've had no issues, even on the most recent MacOS beta releases, and it looks like it'll last a few more years looking at utilization.

  • @valdir7426
    @valdir7426 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've kept a 2011 15" model (the one with a high chance of graphics failure) until the end of 2020. I'm betting on getting a few more years out of the M1 I got just after. Battery longevity is getting down but whatever; it was super high in the beginning. The SSD could be a problem. also software update; but some software will update outdated OSes for quite a while so that leaves you some more time. I also still use a 2012 Mac mini for sound installations; it's super reliable it has stayed on for 3 months straight without a hickup.

  • @dan25pos7
    @dan25pos7 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love my m1 MacBook Air, it runs great, the only thing holding it back is the base ram and storage

  • @omarmendoza7150
    @omarmendoza7150 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The MacBook Air M1 with 512gb is still going strong! I can edit 4k video on DaVinci Resolve. It still looks great and plays 4k video on TH-cam.

  • @Rafa_guitars
    @Rafa_guitars 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Remember that MacBook that only had one port 😂

  • @baoquoc3710
    @baoquoc3710 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm not a big Mac kind of guy, but if I wanted to actually say an underrated MacBook, it's the M2 MacBook Pro (13 inch, Touch Bar), because it is the best way to cool your M2 chip (M2 Air is struggling with coping the heat from this chip in the 13in form, 15 in one is maybe better). But also you got a legendary design that actually feel sleek and light to travel. In my eyes, it's actually the greatest MacBook in the M series Era

  • @mcal27
    @mcal27 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thunderbolt 4/usb4 not TB3. Another plus point is how easy they are to repair compared to many other macs.

    • @PeterEmery
      @PeterEmery 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No Apple Silicon MacBook air has ever had Thunderbolt 4. They have Thunderbolt 3/USB 4. You have to go to a MacBook Pro in apple Silicon to get Thunderbolt 4. Even the base 14-in M3 MacBook Pro is still Thunderbolt 3.

    • @mcal27
      @mcal27 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@PeterEmery I stand corrected. The functional differences are so small to most users it never occured to me. Plus all my 3 Apple Silicon macs are TB4 models. Thanks 👍

    • @PeterEmery
      @PeterEmery 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@mcal27 I have M1 MBA, M1 Mac Mini and M3 MBA. Both MacTracker and Everymac show they're "only "TB3. As you say, little functional difference.

    • @mcal27
      @mcal27 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@PeterEmery I’m on MBP M1 Pro 14”, Macmini M2 Pro and Macstudio M1 Max. So all TB4 by the looks of it

    • @PeterEmery
      @PeterEmery 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mcal27 You're right, confirmed by Everymac website.

  • @PaigeEscapes
    @PaigeEscapes 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you! Always enjoy your videos. I’m not even interested in an M1 air but still found this enjoyable & learn. No matter how *seemingly* irrelevant it may at first appear to be, definitely always learn important info ( difficult to explain tbh). I greatly appreciate the time and knowing you share .
    Love that your content is a bit different. If people pay attention to what you say, they will learn more than what is presented on most other MacBook videos these days … they often just go on about basic specs and what will be released next ( eg m4 soon, but wait for m5! Etc😂) - yes I’m interested but TH-cam is flooded and I’m not always interested in that or what ever it is they are trying to sell! lol
    And yes… it was a gorgeous transition ! ☺️
    I’m still on my mid 2015 15” macbook Pro … I love it still 🫣
    Sorry for my midnight rambling but it’s true !

    • @montaguebarnabasltd
      @montaguebarnabasltd  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Your comments are always my favourite to read. Thanks for watching, as always. It's unfortunate that those who make content surrounding newer MacBooks tend to 'make it' as youtubers more often, as they get sponsored by the creators of these new tech products just to make a video dedicated to their new release. I'm confident I can grow in this niche and keep making content, though!

    • @DielsonSales
      @DielsonSales 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Lots of people just mindlessly consume without a second thought.

    • @PaigeEscapes
      @PaigeEscapes 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@montaguebarnabasltd that made my day! So happy my comments aren’t just annoying.
      And I Absolutely agree! And definitely think you have a niche channel and it has grown rapidly in a relatively short time already. I believe you will go far on here .

  • @K24Z3CU2
    @K24Z3CU2 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I only use my MBA M1 for Email and Web Browsing. I don't rely on it for anything else. It is always connected power and has only done 9 battery charge cycles. It sits along side my main Mac mini 2018 6-core Intel Core i7 64GB RAM/2TB SSD.

  • @donnajones9854
    @donnajones9854 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I bought a new 2018 Mac mini & bumped up the RAM to 16 GB; did the same when I bought an M2 Mac mini-bumped up the unified memory to 16GB. I agree that 16 GB of RAM/unified memory should be standard, no mater the manufacturer, as apps & OS keep needing more power as features & requirement increase.

  • @ginichimaru8420
    @ginichimaru8420 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This video is like taking a regular car and explaining why it's not good for racing.

  • @kartulikuningas9170
    @kartulikuningas9170 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    8 GB hasn't recently become a necessity, when the M1 Air was released, 8GB was already wildly out of date and close to unuseable. Now it just has gotten unuseable for a larger amount of users.

    • @montaguebarnabasltd
      @montaguebarnabasltd  20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@kartulikuningas9170 Close to unusable is a hell of a stretch lol. But yeah it’s been a pretty big hindrance these last few years.

  • @trey_a_12
    @trey_a_12 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Even as someone who frequently edits 4K video in DaVinci Resolve (with proxy clips for playback, mind you) or runs Windows 11 Virtual Machines in VMware Fusion for tech support, I seldom find true slowdowns or issues with my base spec M1 MBA. If you know how to use your machine, how to keep it optimized, and Can generally take care of it comma this little device can do a whole lot more than the current $500-$600 price would suggest. That's not even including Linux performance in UTM Virtual Machines (phenomenal) or actual DUAL-BOOTING with Asahi Linux (literally just as fast, if not faster than macOS at times)! About the only things I miss are having more storage (though I still keep about 50 GB free even with all of the things I mentioned and more) and native multi-monitor support (which can be somewhat mitigated with an iPad running SideCar, a second mobile device an app like Duet Display, AirPlay software or equipment, and/or DisplayLink cables to additional displays)!

  • @andrewlauchengco7923
    @andrewlauchengco7923 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Arguably, the all-time best laptop for average consumers
    - It's so good, other manufacturers took maybe 3 or 4 years to catch up to it. Some/most haven't event matched it yet.
    - It's so good, that it continues to be a benchmark for its successors' performance and efficiency (and makes them look bad in certain aspects)
    - It's so good, it's still being sold in a smaller volume in 2024.
    I have an M1 Air, M2 Air and an M2 Pro-- M1 Air's design/ performance doesn't feel dated at all in 2024. Like any other tech, it's not meant to last forever, but it still is a great laptop to keep around.

  • @Juliapak
    @Juliapak 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The apple store will clean your ports for free. Just had it done last week. Support there is awesome.

  • @AlreadyTiredOfYou
    @AlreadyTiredOfYou 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have the 14 inch M1 pro... I don't see any real reason to upgrade it. Maybe I'll pick up an ssd upgrade at some point and maybe I'll renew the battery at some point. But so far it goes above and beyond my needs.

  • @GalenlevyPhoto
    @GalenlevyPhoto 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We have a 2020 MacBook Air M1, it's decent enough for basic tasks and occasional photoshop editing, that's about it. It wasn't meant for a creative pro machine.

  • @JmanAnimates
    @JmanAnimates 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    mine slows down when i edit long anime videos essays on cap-cut.

  • @PeterEmery
    @PeterEmery 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I bought a base model M1 MacBook Air from Apple Refurbished stock, saving 10% on the new price while having the same warranty. Thoroughly excellent Mac, my best ever until I got this 15-in M3 MacBook Air. My M1 MacBook Air has had around 320 charge cycles and still has around 93% of its original capacity.

  • @ẞŁĀÐĒ
    @ẞŁĀÐĒ 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That transition was nice ngl😂😂😂

  • @mtunayucer
    @mtunayucer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Been rocking my m1 air base model with 8gb/256gb for 3 years, still strong! I stopped updating after monterey though, maybe it helps.

  • @tomscott88
    @tomscott88 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Had mine since March 21 (4 months after release) replacing a £5k 2019 fully loaded 16" MBP. I now have a 14" m3 max 64gb 40GPU 1tb machine and although it's great day to day it feels exactly the same. The M1 is a great machine but I bought a 16gb 8GPU 1TB version and it monsters through everything still. One downside for me my battery only has 260 cycles but is down to 85% which is a little disappointing.