Are DHA Supplements Risky for Vegans? Re: Dr. Klaper
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- Many vegan doctors recommend supplementing long chain omega-3 DHA for brain health and other benefits. Could the alleged risk prostate cancer outweigh the benefits?
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DHA made by algae, not fish:
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2014 RCT Showing Decreased Brain Shrinkage, Increased Function:
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Brain Health and Long Chain Omegas Review, Parkinsons, etc:
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All-Dementia and DHA Levels Study:
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Notable Omega Index Cutoff of 4.4%:
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DHA Raises Low Vegan Levels by 1.7% on the Index:
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200 mg and pregnancy:
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Prostate Study 1 - Higher:
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Dr. Klaper changed his mind. He's now taking Omega-3 supplements. (He did a TH-cam video explaining his reasons for doing so on March 9.)
Most people eat absolutely no sea foods in the west. Still they are worried about DHA on vegans. None of my friends eat fish at all.
U can get it from meat other then fish. Just high in fish.
Like all vegans you are incredible dumb to think DHA is only found in fish.
Well, fat in meat contains Omega 3... so take omega 3 supplements
Only grass fed meat which most people don't eat, and even grass fed meat has only very little that would not make any difference. You're not going to get an average of 200 mg of DHA a day without fish
@@dj-fe4ck 200 mg of DHA is a made up number. People are testing for DHA and EPA who don't eat fish or eggs (eggs have some DHA) and they still have normal omega 3's in the blood. Paul Saladino is one of them, he just eats fatty meat. Also, brain of the animal is high in omega 3's like fish, but then again, all these extra omega 3's aren't needed and they are possibly harmful
And 9 March 2023 Dr. Klaper posted a video that his levels were dropping each year since 2020, and that he is now starting to take DHA supplements again.
I know its not exactly your thing, but maybe you could do a video on how to choose safe, reliable supplement brands?
Check out the brand yourself. Look for FDA recalls, and how they responded to them if there were any. Look for safety testing, and if they post results with batch numbers. Don't rely on vegan influencers, your health is your job.
@@NiaLaLa_V I was giving him a video suggestion that might help his nearly half a million subscribers who might not all have the free time to do extensive research into every supplement they take. Considering the amount of research he does regularly, I thought that maybe he's come across some "red flag" (or alternatively, "green flag") brands that it'd be helpful for us to know about. While you're correct that you shouldn't solely rely on him as a source, it can't hurt to use his research-based opinion as a head start.
Global healing brand is the best
Hey man… Klaper scared the crapper out of me (cymbal crash) but you just alleviated my fears. I’m going back to a moderate dose supplement today. Thank you so much. No really, thanks for existing.
Great information. Thank you!
Thanks for this clarification on this important issue. Btw love the background music at the end!
Andd you did it! yay! Some clarity on the topic! Thanks for the heads up in insta ☺️
I love you, Mike! Your videos are always on point.
Just love your stuff... brilliant and honest.
Wow. Great video Mic. Thanks so much for your time and effort on this complex topic. It made me feel much better about the supplement I am taking. I remember Klaper’s video which gave me some doubt about supplementing. I appreciate your thorough research.
What are you taking?
Thank you for doing a video on this
Mike, Dr. Klapper in your short clip speaks to "high levels" meaning fish. He, good as he is, never mentions the work that Dr. G does, even disputing the cobal. form of B12, preferring the meth one. Dr. Klapper needs to get with the program, by citing his sources, as does Dr. G continuously. I'm 72 and each AM, I ingest 1/2t of an algae plant based form of DHA, made locally here in NS, Canada. The safest place to weather a pandemic. btw: *TAKE ANIMALS OFF THE MENU*
Would you mind posting the name of that algae brand. I’d like to see if I can get it here in Ontario.
@@sammavitae114 Good morning Samma. I buy the 500 ml bottle. Ensure you order the one that says *Plant* on the front. It lasts me 6 months, so the $60 charge is not bad, if it gives us elders a chance at longer brain health. www.nutrasea.ca/products/nutravege
I used to take Nutravege too (I'd add it to my smoothie), but it bugged me that they suspended it in a high omega-6 oil (I can't remember which - maybe safflower), and it wasn't clear how much omega-6 there was per dose. Now I don't bother. I have about 6,500 mg of ALA per day just from the flax and chia seeds in my daily smoothie, and that doesn't include ALA I get from other sources such as the walnuts on my oatmeal, avocado, etc. Even at a low conversion rate I'm still doing well. I continue to monitor this topic though, and like Dr. Klaper I am open to changing my mind on this in future should more compelling evidence arise.
@@iansilver4853 thx for this info and response, I agree!
@@iansilver4853 how many tbsp of flax chia and walnuts do u take a day?
Thank you for your videos man. I love the way you present the information and the open minded perspective you seem to uphold. Good science has always my respect.
Your video is the best analysis of this topic I have seen so far. Thanks for that, Mic!
One thing you SHOULD have mentioned is that Dr. Klaper is talking about this issue in the context of his OTHER recommendations. He is opposed to oil. (He is fine with nuts and seeds and avocado in moderation.) This means that people on his diet are not getting excessive omega 6s. Past studies argued that the ratio of omega 3 to omega 6 is important. Because his recommendations mean that one is relatively low in omega 6, the omega 3 supplement may become less important/useful. If you are pounding down the omega 6 oils, you should probably more seriously consider an omega 3 supplement (or better yet, cut back on the omega 6s).
I do totally agree. On the omega 6 . and omega 3 ratio. If people that eat less omega 6. then their also less omega 3 . And we only need 5 to 10% of. Or calories from fat anyway. Be my understanding
It’s also noticeable that’s more percent of omega 3 in your diet. Those not mean necessarily that your body absorb it more.
I agree with this. When I was in grad school for nutrition, one of my professors was very involved on omega 3 research. We had a guest lecturer come and speak. He mentioned that fish get their DHA and omega 3s from eating algae or algae eating fish.
That's exactly what came to my mind
@@karentodd2678 what are the effects of low Omega 3?
Eating fish to get omega 3 is like drinking sewage to get water
@Az Lean This metaphor isn’t about vitamin absorption, it’s about the immense amount of heavy metals and other toxins found in fish.
@@jaypee6804 not all fish is that polluted, i dont get why vegans have this insane need to try to make everything sound so horrible. seeds also tend to be high in heavy metals. so there really is no escape.
@@aufhebenx3662 Only for females actually if you look at the data. For females, pescatarian was absolutely the best. For males vegan was absolutely the best. Considering that women have higher omega 3 conversion rates, it simply seem they need them more. And males benefit from vegan diet, as it helps to reduce the risk of all the major killers of males.
@@aufhebenx3662 Also Adventists were vegans for religions reasons not for health. they were not necessarily taking chia seeds and hemp seeds and algae supplements.. Also In the past few decades oceans have become increasing ly more polluted. These studies of Lifelong pescatarians from decades ago become meaningless
Yep
thank you so much for your work.
Love this video! I stopped taking my algae based supplements because of the prostate cancer relation but do eat plenty of ALA from blended seeds so I should be fine. Hopefully we will get more details from Dr Klaper regarding this subject. I love him, he’s a great doc and very credible!
Did you feel any benefice when you took DHA supplements ?
I eat 2 big tablespoon of ground flax seed each day since i started veganism 4 years ago, as this is recommended by some doctor and mic the vegan himself i tried to supplement with algae DHA for 4 months but i saw literally no difference on my skin (who was already smooth) or brain function so i assumed flax seed was already doing the job.
Can't say I've ever noticed any brain function differences with omega 3 intake but my face explodes with acne when I don't get any and I'll experience menstrual cramps. Seeds do work to keep me pain free and to clear my skin, I find hemp particularly effective, but sometimes I just get so bored of eating them every single day! I find an algae supplement to be more sustainable for me and I just eat seeds whenever I want them or if I can't afford the supplement.
Another supplement vegans can add to their list.
@@microsofttechsupp0rtplaysc784 What are others on the list ? B12? Vitamin D isn't this same for omnivores as well. They take fish oil supps as well.
@@markythesharky8308 You can say all you want but omnivores need 0 supplements. You're diet does need a list of supplements because it does not contain all the nutrition a human needs.
@@microsofttechsupp0rtplaysc784 :D You need to research a little i think, where do u think the B12 comes from Animals? Animals get injected by B12, and for Vitamin D its from Sun not meat or milk.
I did say seeds work, a supplement is just easier for me on a day to day basis which I'm sure is what people that eat animals think when they take fish oil supplements. 🤷♀️
When I was in grad school for nutrition, I had a lecture from a researcher specializing in Omega 3 FA metabolism and impacts on chronic disease, and he also said that he did not support widespread supplementation of omega 3s because they can impact cell membrane permeability. But his concern was more pointed to the idea that taking supplements could lead to over-supplementation as most people in the population are also getting DHA/EPA from food as well. I think the real issue is not whether you take supplements, but rather how much are you taking.
Dha is one of the most important supps you can take for your body and brain a famous scientist worked this out years ago.
I take one-seventh of the amount recommended by the vendor of my DHA/EPA capules, just 500mg/300mg per week. Stopped my one damaged finger joint seizing up. When I took the full dose my skin got weirdly delicate, so I cut it drastically. I am old.
Thanks for this video, Mic. A few months ago I switched to whole foods plant based (after 3 years as a conventional semi-junk vegan diet), and in doing so I've quit eating anything containing or prepared with oil. So when I heard about the supposed need for DHA, given that the only way for vegans to get that is via algae oil supplements, I've been stuck on the fence.
A supplement is less than a gram of oil a day. That's pretty close to no oil.
Hey mic, love your videos! I been going through the rabbit hole on this whole DHA thing and theres a video from vegsource saying that the study that gregeer uses as his basis for recommending DHA supplements is flawed with various things like a small group of test subjects, they were allowed to smoke and other stuff. Can talk about it please?
th-cam.com/video/c8_kTtWUnf8/w-d-xo.html
Here is the link to the video. Please respond because it seemed pretty compelling at convincing people not to take DHA supplemention
Thank you. Dr. Rhonda Patrick on found my fitness says it takes a full 6 months for the Omega to build up (she is NOT vegan).This was very interesting. I think some of the brain shrinkage might have to do with lack of creatine too. Great discussion.
Great video
Thanks Mic
Great info! Thank you :)
@Negan The Vegan 😂
I just invested in my first bottle of this. I'm 50ish, and eat a sub optimal mostly vegan diet. I think I'll continue to take a moderate amount. Thanks for posting!
Neither Mic nor Klaper brought up the hexane issue, a harmful petroleum-derived solvent used to extract fatty acids from algae
This was some A+ research! Great job presenting and analyzing the pros and cons. I’m going to keep taking mine.
Btw, I noticed I’m getting a ton of manganese in my plant-based diet. I’d love to see a video on any risks of getting too much.
Apparently it is hard to overdose as you need to exceed 50 mg. Symptoms are neurological disorders with symptoms similar to Parkinson's from chronic manganese poisoning.
Maybe you can check all the Vegsource videos that dr. Klaper based his opinion on? Jeff Nelson has a whole series that really convinced me that I don’t need to worry about DHA on a low-fat vegan diet.
@Laszlo Vegh Harsh. I do eat flax seeds daily and I limit foods rich in omega-6 so I think I'll be fine.
Woooh! Clear this one up for us, Mic. 🙌🏼
You may enjoy Dr Garth Davis responding to a question about this over the weekend in this video: th-cam.com/video/X0dDAn_J1g8/w-d-xo.html
Hey Mic, I would definitely not mind you putting affiliate links in your description for products you yourself would use.
I just bought omega supplements and would definitely have used your link if i knew there was one :)
I think he wants to avoid doing that to keep his neutrality. If he did that kind of thing, he could be open to accusations of commercial bias in his recommendations, but also it could subconsciously bias what he recommends.
@@fearofaveganplanet8513 I totally agree, it is quite a noble thing of him not to capitalize on us though! :D
Great video. I take a « small sploosh » (i guess about 1 tea spoon) of plant based dha/epa liquid supplement every time i have a smoothie in the morning, which is about 4 times per week (other breakfasts are typically oatmeal and fruit or peanut butter toasts).
Mic i’d love it if you could one day do a video on « losing body fat without losing muscle mass). Lots of body builder « coaches » doing vids on this and it is all meat-centric.
I am a rock climber, so i want to weight as little as possible with as less body fat as possible (while still remaining close to 20 BMI) but keeping muscle, as rock climbing is VERY intense on muscles all over the body, including core, legs, etc. Thanks for all you do.
Such a great video! Always learning something new from you Mic! 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
Michael, the article links are all truncated in the Notes. Is there any chance of correcting them?
the prostate cancer studies were on fish oil not algae oil. The former is much more likely to be contaminated with PCBs dioxins etc
Amazing job on this, thanks again!
Well done
I just started taking vegan DHA 3 weeks ago and I must say my memory has improved so much. There's a sporcle quiz I take almost everyday regarding the cou tried of the world. When I started taking the vegan DHA I do like 20% better with a 90+% score compared to 70+% in the weeks before. Please note i have been doing this quiz like 3 months now.
Were you eating blend Flax seeds in a good quantity ? People consuming flax seeds tend to not see any differences on DHA supplements. I personally didn't notice anything, so i stopped
Can you just answer, it's important to collect datas on veganism.
There is no such thing as vegan DHA.
@@lashedbutnotleashed1984 There is. Algae oil is a great vegan source for DHA and EPA.
what brand ,please?
Yes flax seed... But people forget that you get ala also from grains, nuts and some vegetables. So the total intake, if you do a whole food diet, is higher than people think.
Indeed, it's the total food consumption that matters, yet so many anti vegans only take the seeds and their conversion alone into account. :)
Yes but males and post-menopausal females don't convert it well. And nuts have Omega 6 and can mess up the Omega 3 and 6 ratio.
Wishing B But where is the evidence that the body needs a lot of it? Or that the amount that it converts is not sufficient? So long as omega 6 is not over consumed, no one is yet to suffer an omega 3 deficiency
Linus Pauling wrote about it. Studies of ALA metabolism in healthy young men indicated that approximately 8% of dietary ALA was converted to EPA and 0%-4% was converted to DHA Zero percent is where the problem can happen. It is due to not having estrogen. But some people also have genetic problems of converting.
@@Kristers_K Linus Pauling Institute concluded that: Because of the relatively low rate of ALA conversion into EPA and DHA suggests that these long-chain omega-3 PUFA may be considered conditionally essential nutrients.
Hello Mic! Can you pretty please do an updated SuperMeat video? They have supposedly succeeded in creating lab grown meat and are now selling it. Just curious if they lived up to the ethical standards they initially set.
Thanks so much for showing the inexpensive brand--wow, I have been looking for something my family could afford. There are three of us on a modest income, and I was afraid to be inconsistent because it's my understanding that if a person takes dha, and then stops, they might not be able to convert the short chains as well, maybe? Anyway, the example you give is more affordable than any other I've been able to find on my own. Thanks!
Oh, cool, I just started taking those.
Same! :)
Taking what, DHA?, cos they are like all the other Vegan nutrient myths such as Protein, Calcium, Iron etc, totally unnecessary. Only B12 is necessary.
@@Kiyarose3999 vitamin d is actually really important too for vegans, been vegan for several years and inconsistently supplemented with it and my levels kept falling until I became deficient for a while until I started supplementing more frequently
I’m rolling hard with wads of kale and a high conversion rate. Plus, I’m so smart that, even if I lost a little grey matter, it would only level the playing field. In twenty years I’ll get back to you about how the study went. I’m not a big fan of supplements, but I’m a big fan of Mic The Vegan 😊👍
Just make sure you have a source for B12.
I've been hoping all the vegan snack foods will switch to canola oil for the omega ratio. Would have been nice to mention how omega pills are sometimes rancid and how that might affect the outcomes of research. I get a liquid one so I can taste and make sure it's fresh. Plus, I keep it in the fridge.
That does seem to be the problem with omega 3s, you can't buy most forms of them in bulk and expect them to last.
You should make a video of “my favorite vegan books”
Love it when you quote epidemiological research if it suits you but not when it doesn’t. Come on man, be consistent
Mike with the late night uploads
Mike with the awkward laugh when talking about some people not being open to changing their mind when new information is created or reaches them. I think cognitive dissonance on the heart disease reversal might have hit him at that point.
LOL Mic. the TH-camr vs. DOCTOR Klaper
I'm gonna add turmeric on flaxseeds while grounding it.
i overthink everything so unlike most people i would benefit from a bit less action in the brain anyway
Miley Cyrus said something similar and then a year later lost her mind and quit veganism in a dha deficient public tantrum. But you do you!
@@NiaLaLa_V myley cyrus is a derkhed, vegan for life
@@NiaLaLa_V The problem is most people that eat ground flax seeds everyday don't notice any difference with supplementation, i personally took DHA for 4 months, zero difference, so i finish by conclude it was useless and flax seeds were doing the job.
Should I take this supplement or not....
I know this is unrelated to this video but i have a question i am hoping you can provide some insight on. How do you recommend getting sufficient protein to build muscle in order to increase athletic performance on a vegan diet. In my case, the primary interest is maximizing power relative to weight. My understanding is that 1-2 grams per kilogram is recommended. This would seem to be a significant amount regardless of the source but especially difficult if trying to maintain a vegan diet.
Mic I remember in one of your earlier videos you mentioned that some people (certain communities) can convert ALA to DHA better than others? Is this right?
Cool video
The MRI of the brain with an without DHA supplements that Dr. Greger shows is why I take it. I came to WFPB with serious brain problems. Probably Alzheimer's. But I work hard at keeping my brain and that video convinced me most of all.
Could you link me the video please?
would love to see the link also! wanan see that MRI
@@Es3iya nutritionfacts.org/video/should-vegans-take-dha-to-preserve-brain-function/
Thank you so much for this video! Dr. Klaper's video was the exact reason for why I have been a little hesitant to take algea oil. I would be interested to see a video on iodine. In Finland, qualified nutritionists who have specialized in vegan diets recommend a seaweed-based iodine supplement. I know you could get it by eating seaweed as a whole food, but they tend to suggest a supplement due to the fluctuating levels of iodine in different seaweeds.
I'm also interested in iodine. I've read Dr Brownstein's book 'Iodine: Why You Need It' and he shows the benefits of higher doses. Also the book 'Iodine Crisis' by Lynne Farrow. I'm cautious about eating seaweed. Instead I'm taking a few drops of liquid iodine lugol's solution. I wonder if there is any research on this.
@@TimothyJones01 Good points! I just realized that I don't think nutritionists often specify whether the iodine supplement should be "artificial" or seaweed based. I think I've heard some say both would be ok.
? Just eat Japanese food. Nori used for sushi is a very good source. I've never once been worried about low iodine, but I put wakame furikake on most foods cos it's delicious. You can also get vegan vitamins with iodine in if you're worried 👍
@@TimothyJones01 " few drops of liquid iodine lugol's" ? Rather non-quantitative. how often? There are different concentrations, but a full 12% logol's has some 6500µg per drop - which is 40x the RDA of 150µg ! There are many cases where Hashimoto is triggered by Lugol's. Please stay reasonable and don't exceed upper limit of 1100µg iodine per day. No benefits are shown beyond RDA. And sudden increases by surprise can mix up the thyroid hormone system. In addition Logol's contains free iodine which is a disinfecting agent, which has adverse effects inside the body and is unreasonable / non-scientific vodoo. Logol's is a lab chemical not food or medicine.
@@xcast1 Yes, I wasn't being specific but I understand what amounts I'm trying. I didn't want to advocate for anyone else to blindly follow what I do. I recommend reading Dr Brownstein's book. He argues that the RDA of 150ug is inadequate for full body iodine function. That RDA was designed as a measure purely to be enough to prevent goiters. He explains how iodine and iodide both work throughout the body, not just in the thyroid gland. He covers the importance of getting other nutrients like the B vitamins, salt and selenium too. Thanks
I am going for a blood test. 64 with high bp and 100 lbs overweight (lost 40 so far) but everything else okay. what panel/tests should I ask for? I know that C-reactive protein is important, Iron, lipid panel, etc. Thoughts? Thanks
Does eating nuts or peanut butter (i.e. whole plant sources of omega 6 fats) with ground flax/chia/hemp seeds (ex. together in an oatmeal dish) slow/counteract the ALA to EPA/DHA conversion?
Dr Neil Barnard has also mentioned this on the Rich Roll podcast - regarding vegan AND non vegan SUPPLEMENTATION
He suggested getting tested before supplementing. WHat do you think?
The problem I've run into with these supplements is that the VAST majority of vegan DHA supplements contain carrageenan, which irritates my gut within a few days of taking it.
Wow, I just checked mine and it has carrageenan. Didn't even know.
Very interesting stuff, I‘m one of those those high omega 3 to low omega 6 guys, don‘t use oil in my cooking. Use flaxseed oil to oil up the cast iron pan😀 Anyway I purchased a DHA 400 to EPA 200 algae oil from Sunday Natural recently. After this vid I think I will finish the bottle and let things lie for a bit.
Recently been consuming Purslane from my garden which is supposed to have quite high Omega 3’s for a plant. Thoughts?
I'm not sure if it would need to be researched, but I'm curious about omega 3 on a vegan diet. I take E3 Algae supplement. Is that good enough (it's a green liquid with various nutrients in it), or should we take algae oil pills?
Although humans don't strictly need long chain omega 3s in our diet the fact that we seem to benefit from long chain omega 3s as well as iodine suggests that our ancestors probably regularly incorporated some algae into their diet(many verieties of edible algae are high in long chain omega 3s and iodine with the exact content depending on the species) and we might benefit from either supplementing these nutrients or incorporating some algae into our diet.
Dha supplementing is only based on business, as well as those studies you mentioned are founded by dha business. We dont need to make veganism any more complex
agreed! so confused ....since when is dementia and altzheimer's a vegan thing? I don't know one vegan or vegetarian that has or died from dementia or altzheimers but know a LOT of meat and fish eating people who have it or died from it... my mom being one and she took a multi vitamin with omega 3 for probably close to 20 years!!
Dr fuhrman's argument in favor of his Dha supplements is that his ate packed in glass and not rancid. I have tried the cheap stuff on amazon but not sure I'm getting the quality. What kind do you take? Also it is very important for my mental stability- noticed I've been slightly more depressed with the cheap stuff. Absorption problem?
I will always take vegan DHA! Thank you so much for all you do
Its ineffective.
Vegan DHA is extracted from algae by hexane, a harmful petroleum-derived solvent
I looked it up and some brands said they make hexane free algae oil.
The mid-life trial was strange in that they only did neuroimaging on a subset of the people. I say it because males and postmenopausal women don't always convert well is what I read because of estrogen. The study had more females and the females were likely pre-menopausal, so it matters which ones brains were examined.
Hey Mic, I saw a vid just now about DHA Conversion that suggested we get enough DHA from ALA, but it only converts in tissue, rather than in the blood.
The study they referenced is called: Is docosahexaenoic acid synthesis from α-linolenic acid sufficient to supply the adult brain?
The video is called "The Truth About Omega-3 Conversion: Geoff Palmer"
I cant make head or tails of the paper, so maybe something of interest.
Pretty much the difference between taking O-3 algae sups or not as a vegan. I just scored 5.14% on my index test so currently upping my dosage to once per day (from one every other day).
I like your high-standards, Mike!
Same .
Anecdotally, my brain is functioning better than it did when I started. Can't prove that it is that. But my executive function has improved dramatically. I was unable to function for years with my brain breakdown and I can function now. Still working on improving it but it is so much better. I had gotten years behind in work and I am almost caught up. It was scary.
@Nickie I did both at different times. Both helped. Two years into my vegan diet I still had horrible executive function. I was desperate to get anything done at work but it was so hard.
@Nickie Yeah, it can be terrifying. Seven or eight years ago I had such a bad brain break-down and I was still having hallucinations and psychotic episodes and night terrors and vision problems when I found Dr. Greger. I used to sit in the middle of the night watching his videos because of how terrified I was from the night terrors. Another woman came on the site back then and had experienced a lot of the same symptoms at menopause and she went on hormone replacement therapy and I went on Omega 3 and other things. I don't have those issues almost ever anymore except when I stop supplementing and I hate pills so that happens. Memory-wise, when I had the brain break-down I also did have such memory problems and executive function problems and I had freaky things while driving where I felt like my vision was going to stop and I couldn't tell which side of the road I was on. The other woman had the exact same thing happen. People who are young and who grew up Whole Food Plant-Based their whole lives can debate this intellectually but they may cause someone to end up with Alzheimer's or something like that and I have had such benefit with DHA that I might stand up for it too much. But people with brain problems should be doing everything possible to protect their brains. Thank you for being sweet. Wishing you healing and courage, too.
@Nickie I have gone on and off of DHA and on again and I know that it helps me with vision and brain function. I no longer have night vision problems and that is crazy unbelievable to me. I had stopped being able to drive at night. Then, stopped being able to drive at all. Then, got back to driving except at night and got pulled over twice at night with no ticket. Then, the night vision problems went away. I end up having all of these stupid arguments but in reality, I just love DHA.
Hey Mic, I love the deep dive on single nutrients. It would be cool if you do one on zinc
Could you do a video solely on breast cancer/other cancers and how a vegan diet can affect them? I’m trying to get my parents to go vegan
Shawn Baker is built different
He’s a beast!
Yeah red and puffy.
Those are not the top organic amazon listings, they are the top ads. look it says sponsored.
Holding the position that processed oil is bad, while promoting algae oil is hypocritical. We need to seek out a whole food algal source of DHA
The problem with inexpensive DHA brands (cheapest product) is that the DHA/EPA oil is poorly protected from oxidation/rancidification because of a poor quality capsule, lack quality antioxidants to prevent oxidation, bottle seal is not ideal, etc. I'm pretty sure rancid DHA is what makes fish smell like fish (partly), and also what gives people fish burps. I do not get fish burps when I take a high-quality non-rancid algae-based omega-3 supplement. Just something to look out for.
Thanks. Yes it's so tricky: when Dr. Klaper's video came out I didn't order my algal omega3 supplement which was due as my stock was nearly finished. Then some months later, after Dr. Greger and Dr. Fuhrman said they continued taking it and I thought and thought about it, finally I ordered a low dose, 300mg DHA which I take on alternate days. I'm particular about ground flaxseeds and walnuts... upsetting the body's ability to make long chain fatty acids, and that back up issue of EPA bothers me. So a low dose on alternate days... at 63 I'm way past 50 so the subject is a concerning one. Decisions, decisions. Well thanks for the video. 😊👍
I always go back to Dr. Ornish uses it with his patients and his patients reversed prostate cancer while they were on it.
500mg a day should still be fine
Did anyone note the Dr Ornish trials with prostate cancer stalling and significantly slowing with flax seed?
Great video overall, and I'm a patron, but why did you say that about B12 at the end! B12 supplementation is extremely inexpensive, there's no U shaped curve for health outcomes vs intake within the reasonable range, and it can prevent extremely dangerous acute symptoms as well as (probably) long-term stroke risk in vegans. Dr. Greger just did a whole series on this. Most people are not going to get their MMA levels checked. Take a B12 supplement and tell your subscribers to do the same, like you usually do, please!
Perfect timing, just purchased some Vegan Omega-3s algal based sups... Had heard the controversy regarding DHA but always was and am fond of Spirulina and chlorella. The other dietary algae I have no idea about. Thanks for the vid Mic
Watch dr. Greger's q n a from a couple of days ago about no to spirulina he says chlorella is ok though
I’m sort of surprised by the conclusions Dr. Klaper came to, given his reasoning and the research presented. I guess this was a couple years ago. I wonder how he feels about it now.
Thanks Mic for bringing up this hot topic!
It's one of the few items of serious importance in the question of vegan diet advice, and we all are awaiting more science on the the effects of DHA supplementation.
Good Karma flax milk seems to deliver a lot of Omega 3 so I keep the algae oil caps in the fridge for those weeks the store runs out of flax milk, which is rare. Walnuts go great with that as well.
Mike, what brand do you take? Thank you.
what is a moderate dosage of EPA DHA supplementation?
Would love to support by buying merch. But you no long have stuff I like. I love my “vegan for arteries” tights. I’d also go for an apron. I know - I could just donate. But what’s the fun in that.
Problem with stored lipids "PUFAS" oxidize quickly and at varying Temps, so if you would animal sources would be eat the fish or from the root source would be algea.
Can someone help me with a question? I am vegan and I am currently taking a algea oil supplement containing about 250mg DHA and 125mg EPA about 3 times a week. Is this enough?
I did not take it for over a year after 4 years vegan. Certainly nothing that seems to offer short term effects to someone eating flax, hemp and other nuts/seeds daily. But figured it be cool to have a brain if my heart keeps pumping to 90, so grabbed a bottle a week ago and will keep taking it now that it’s half the price for twice the potency as a couple years back
Increase of CVD in vegans occurs in vegans who eat "junk" vegan foods, i.e. foods high in sugar and saturated fats (coconut oil, palm oil). CVD is not high in vegans who consume whole food, plant based foods (no highly processed foods, low saturated fats, high in mono & polyunsaturated fats, high in fiber, etc). The studies that look at this issue compare US vegans to UK vegans. It seems that US vegans tend to adopt a vegan diet or health reasons and therefore consume a whole food, plant based vegan diet, whereas UK vegans tend to adopt a "vegan" diet for ethical/animal rights reasons and tend to eat lots of french fries, candy, etc.
can you do a video about spirulina/chlorella?
For breakfast, I eat at tablespoon of flaxseed, a tablespoon of hemp seed, and a tablespoon of chia seed. I tend to just mix it in with oatmeal. But I also take 2 g of EPA-DHA supplements every day. I'm more concerned about brain health than I am about prostate cancer. Just my two cents!
That's too much man two tablespoons is enough
Watch on TH-cam Dr Tim Radak on essential fatty acids, do vegans require to supplement with DHA, also watch on TH-cam Brian Peskin and his interviews with Doctors. Personally I have been studying fats for almost two years and I have come to the personal conclusion that DHA supplementation is not necessary when on a well planned Plant Based Diet. I believe that this DHA thing is a complete scam and that supplementing with DHA may be very unhealthy.
@@relaxgood512 I watched The video that you recommended. While DHA supplements may not be necessary, there is medical evidence that these supplements may help regulate heart rhythms and help to prevent sudden cardiac death, especially among patients with heart disease. So, for certain people, the benefits of 2 g per day of supplements outweighs the risks.
I think it’s more about ratio. which omega 3/6. So not too much avocados . and some flaxseed some times. No need for supplements of algae oil’s . It’s also noticeable that’s more percent of omega 3 in your diet. Those not mean necessarily that your body absorb it more
End of the video, an ad comes up ... for krill oil. Lol
9 Year vegan here - it is so easy to get Omega-3 by taking ~1Tbsp of ground chia & flax seed. I have been adding this to my oatmeal daily. I stopped taking the supplements over two years ago. Going for my blood test soon.
Wood love to hear about your result :)
Whats the test that specifically measures DHA in your blood? I want to take it too
Did you feel any benefice when you took DHA supplements ?
I eat 2 big tablespoon of ground flax seed each day since i started veganism 4 years ago, as this is recommended by some doctor and mic the vegan himself i tried to supplement with algae DHA for 4 months but i saw literally no difference on my skin (who was already smooth) or brain function so i assumed flax seed was already doing the job.
How much dha per day?
Barnard and Klaper definitely on agree on this so... Greger vs PCRM: Choose your fighter!
How is PCRM?
@@ibbikay They're awesome. They do a lot of good with their activist work and their daily webinars make this type of information accessible to the average consumer. Very data-driven and evidence-based. I think the DHA issue is the only place they diverge with Greger.