Love how Druaga does the most painful and rabbit hole inducing install method - An OEM Windows 98 CD-ROM will always insist on being installed on a new machine exclusively - unless you change the install type to the files behaving like a FULL Retail version. :D Love the multi-partition option though.
The error of "Divide by zero" or "Error 200" can happen if you are trying to run early dos software on either a P2 with a clock greater than 330mhz or a P3 with a clock greater than 550mhz. This however only affects the startup of the program, meaning that if it happens on a dos program running on top of win95, you can nerf the usable capacity of the processor by burning ressources using a program like CPU Killer. Once the program is loaded you can stop CPU Killer and run the program at normal speed.
the same thing happens with older programs written in Turbo Pascal (like the first Jazz Jackrabbit game)... again, patches are available. those also conk out on a cpus running 500 MHz or more I wonder if some win95 stuff was implemented with Turbo Pascal as well, or if its just C and assembly
If you install Windows 98 and then Windows 2000 on the same partition you can dual boot 2 OSes on the same partition. Back in 2000ish I had 5 OSes running on 1 partition. NTLDR is the key.
I underclocked my Duron 950 to 650 with the pencil trick a couple weeks ago and it worked great! I was definitely on edge while waiting for it to post though.
7:07 omg thats the legendary ABIT KA7-100. I used to have that board. It wont work with a p3 because it is a AMD board, Druaga. You need a Athlon slot A cpu. OMG I knew that motherboard looked familiar in the thumbnail. I loved that board, it was chock full of every plug/socket/feature on a consumer motherboard at that time. A real flagship model. It's only weakness was the shitty via chipset/chipset drivers which would make the os microstutter and the bad cap problem as yours suffered from. The bad cap problem robbed me of that awesome board from me too. :/
Anything after Super Socket 7 would not be supported because that's when Intel ditched AMD and AMD continued to work on Super Socket 7 before developing their own stuff.
some stuff that may/may not help for future windows issues: use the DEBUG command to totally disable windows file protection, use the AT command to log on as the SYSTEM account, use folder and registry permissions to prevent data from being read or writen by clicking 'deny' for all users (including SYSTEM) in the security dialog. Also take a look at the trick where you switch the names of utilman/sethc and cmd in order to open a command prompt at the logon screen.
1:47 - Can see by your diagram that you're missing some stuff - Linux can be made to boot from a FAT32 partition and NTLDR can chainload it, or the Linux bootloader can load NTLDR, or you can use a DOS-based or alternative bootloader to load all of those. As well, you could install WFW 3.1x (1x, 2x, and 3x are basically shells so I'm not counting those), NT3x, NT3.5x, and maybe some flavor of OS/2? As you mentioned there's 98, but then also 98SE (they are distinct OS versions). I don't know if we should count OSRs for 95, but if we include pre-release there's some Chicago builds that are pretty unique enough to count as their own thing perhaps, and there's also Neptune.
Trying to install more than one version of windows on the same partition won't work because of the directory names among other things. You can change the name of the main windows folder during the install eg c:\windows to c:\w95 but all installs will still try to make and use c:\program files creating permission and file version errors. It is possible to install multiple w9x installations on the same partition however. What I did in the past was make a batch file that ran before windows started and it would change c:\win1 to c:\windows or c:\win2 to c:\windows depending on which option i picked in the batch file. It didnt matter to me that both windows used the same c:\program files directory. I could still install 3rd party software like msoffice etc the same as usual. It didnt cause a problem and I didnt have to worry about windows mangling the bootsector because to windows there was only one os installed.
9:11 - You should be able to install 95 on a 1Ghz+ machine if you patch the relevant files in the installer the same way you would for the end result OS. Underclocking works too, of course, but software solution is better for having a copy that works anywhere for the future. Could also install it on an unrelated machine and then copy the folder over and manually tweak the OS for the new machine (same for any 3x/9x OS).
Not much better than coming home, getting a cup of tea, and watching an hour long SSD Adventure. You moving the move command with Windows 98 was too much fun!
I installed Win95 (the USB support version) on a period-correct computer my friend's parents gave me from their basement, and the installation just worked. No protection errors, nothing. Granted, it's a 200MHz Pentium 1 with 48MB of RAM, but I'm also not much of a computer wizard so I wouldn't understand any errors anyway without the internet.
I remember using BootStar back in the day to get 95, 98 & Me working on seperated partitions.. by now I guess there's a plethora of those tools for the job.
I used to multiboot 98 and 2000 on a compaq 7792dmt on a 40gb drive, I just had 2 primary partitions. Windows 2000 setup detected the other and allowed me to switch between at boot.
this seems like one of the most successful druaga1 videos of all time. nice work getting this working. you put a lot of effort into it. thanks for a great video
28:10 Windows 98 contains a newer version of DOS, which overwrote the previous version. - - - - - - - - - - Oh God... Windows 7 on top of all that at the beginning would be hell... As would having a standalone DOS installation at the very bottom, mixing 32-bit and 64-bit operating systems on a single partition, or the addition of a Linux + Wine installation to the mix.
You need the full version of Win98SE, you are trying to use an OEM copy. I'm only half way through so don't know if you'd actually solved. OEM will only allow a clean install, other option would be Partition Magic, had a boot manager Boot Magic if I recall.
Back then very few people installed Windows by themselves. And who did was knowledgable enough. We all read magazines about the new "Whatsoever" operating systems and all the quirks and flaws and peculiarities that came along with it. We all knew beforehand that installating Windows 95 needed much patience and bravery and yes - restarts. I remember installing Windows 95 once on a Pentium 90 system and the setup would crash often. After restart it would resume work until the next crash happened - rinse and repeat at least 5 times. Depending on additional hardware like sound cards, graphic cards, modems, network cards and SCSI cards one could expect a lot of crashing during installation.
If I'm not mistaken, with this method (or a very similar one) you used you could install as many OSes as your hdd/ssd size and hardware compatibility allowed for if you used an extended partition with logical partitions inside. Like, booting from only active partitions is a native MBR limitation, and as far as I know, having the BIOS boot from the MBR code sector and then delegating to the PBR code in the partition is how ntldr, bcd and grub could boot linux and modern windows from logical partitions until uefi and gpt made the whole thing irrelevant. I have vague memories of installing win98se on a logical partition and booting it with Boot Magic (a boot manager from the creators of Partition Magic) waaay back in the day. But I might be misremembering.
Another stellar video Druaga! I'm glad to see that you were able to get the various releases under the Windows 9x family installed under a single disk, even if those installations had to be broken down into separate partitions. Trying to get different versions of Windows to install to a single partition, while having each one be bootable, would have certainly been a nightmare! It's a good thing disks can be broken down into multiple partitions to allow for this sort of environment. Having a kick-ass boot manager certainly helps as well!
just started the video but, Windows NT 4 and earlier will not boot from a fat32 partition. only fat16 or NTFS. its a pain i know, I attempted to dual boot windows 9x and NT together too
This was enjoyable to watch but having used different partitions felt like cheating. If you already knew how to used GRUB, doing this would’ve been trivial from the get go. Stream was really fun to watch though even if I missed 99% of it
Uplink music at 36:45 and 45:50 ! Anyway, Windows' own bootloader should have handled multibooting from different partitiotions without any issues. Not sure of DOS though.
If your board doesnt detect the IDE adapter just use a PCI IDE controller. If posible one that supports boot and that is period correct. Works marvels with shitty VIA mobos that dont detect sata2 hdds 75% of the times The K6-2 will do just fine. I installed windows XP on a K5 100mhz with 64mb of ram.
I have a computer with DOS/Win3.1 on one hard drive, and Win95 on another, and I rigged a hardware dual boot switch to set the jumpers without opening the case.
Not watching the streams seem to have payed off. I prepare for PAIN! (If that was even in the streams, idk) (yup, this was in the streams, and it was PAIN) (Thank you Druaga, very cool!)
So, seen first 5 minutes, Few things to remember, Windows 95 OSR2 and OSR2.5 would be required for fat32 support, Ohh, and NT 4.0 does not have Fat32 support out of the box, you might be able to find a 3rd party driver, but its unlikely that you will be able to make a bootable NT4 partition with Fat32
Hey Druaga1, been really enjoying watching all your youtube videos, they are very informative and entertaining, please keep them coming dude.....cheers!!!!
Little Correction: you called the thing at the start of the disk Bootsector. Technical it is a bootsector but more specific would be MBR (Master Boot Record). Bootsector most often refers to the PBR (Partition Boot Record). The DOS or Windows Installation writes a Standard MBR which just chainloads the bootsector of the active Partition. You replaced this chainloader with the xfdisk Bootmanager, wich lets you just select the Partition to chainload to and mark ist temprarly active to not confuse Windows.The DOS or Win9x Setup also writes the PBR to load the IO.SYS, wich is the DOS Kernel and DOS than is used as a Bootloader for Win 9x, which runs it's own Kernel. Win 9x wants exactly that DOS Version, which it ships with, that is 7.0 for Win95a, 7.10 for 95b&c and 98 and 8.0 for ME. As you already knew you can load diffrent Windows Versions via a config.sys Menu, given the DOS Version fits. As you have Windows 95b it can use the same DOS as 98. All newer DOS Versions (I think all except 8.0) have the ability to load an older DOS Version via F7 from the same partition. So it may be even possible to load the DOS 8.0 from DOS 7.10. So would not call multibooting with a single partition impossible yet. In the worst case I could write a Bootloader to load another DOS from the same Partition. Btw: you can reinstall the DOS (PBR, IO.SYS, MSDOS.SYS and COMMAND.COM) with the SYS Command. If you install a NT based Windows and have a 9x based installd, it will save the current DOS PBR to a file befor it installs it own. NT
The bad cap board is a Slot A (for early cardstyle Atlons) Slot A and slot 1 are the same... Wikipedia says this: "Slot A is mechanically compatible but electrically incompatible with Intel's Slot 1. As a consequence, Slot A motherboards were designed to have the connector's installed orientation be rotated 180 degrees relative to Slot 1 motherboards to discourage accidental insertion of a Slot 1 processor into a Slot A motherboard, and vice versa. The choice to use the same mechanical connector as the Intel Slot 1 also allowed motherboard manufacturers to keep costs down by stocking the same part for both Slot 1 and Slot A assemblies. " tip: if you ever go for a slot A, get a "goldfinger" module as well (for overclocks), or you can get a slocket (slot/socket converter) and put in an early, pre-XP socket A CPU (you can also get them for Slot1/socket 370 and easily mod them for Tualatin support by shorting out certain pins) Slot A boards are also quite rare, so i'd recap the one you got if it's not in the trash...
@Druaga1 The windows protection error was a common issue in the windows 9.x family. A temporary fix is to rename smartdrv.exe and rmm.pdr to the following: * * smartdrv.exe--> smartdrv.ch rmm.pdr--> rmm.ch Note, for the second file, you need to change the attributes on rmm.pdr before renaming it to rmm.ch. Renaming rmm.pdr * Boot to DOS Next, type C: and press enter Then use the following: * cd\windows\system\iosubsys and press enter Next type the following: * attrib rmm.pdr -r -s -h and press enter * Lastly, ren rmm.pdr rmm.ch and press enter Once rmm.pdr is renamed, restart the computer to see if the issue persists. * Renaming smartdrv.exe Boot to DOS * Type C: and press enter * cd\windows and press enter ren smartdrv.exe smartdrv.ch and press enter * Once smartdrv.exe is renamed, restart the computer to see if the issue persists.
Hey smoker, tried quite the same in ~2000 with same results. 3rd party boot manager/multiple partitions did the trick, never got 95/98 installed in one partition. I did however use PowerQuest BootMagic (later Norton) which has a way nicer 9x style GUI. Also check out their PartitionMagic. It even runs from floppies.
Install OS/2 on an SSD. Have fun! I remember I spent an entire afternoon setting it up in a VM and my uncle said, "If you demand less from your operating system, try OS/2!"
Baaaaaaaahahahaha dude love your videos and channels... You realise you were attempting to slot the P-III in the wrong way around into Bad Cap Board, right? Fan facing AWAY from the rear panel :) LMAO, made my day seeing you do that.
New idea Druaga1, if possible. It's sort of based on this idea but you won't need a bootloader. What do you DO need is a lot of power switches on the front panel of your computer. The idea is to buy 10 small cheap ass harddrives (you know 40GB for 5 bucks), and install Windows 3.11, 95,98,ME,2000,XP,VISTA,7,8 and 10 on each drive. Then use mechanical switches to turn off 9 drives so only THE drive with the wanted operating system will load. The idea seems interesting but: Getting Win 3.11 and 95 on the same pc as Windows 10 can be troublesome. Still. If you have a motherboard with 2 IDE connectors your can install 3.11 , 95 and 98 on IDE Drives and the rest should be doable on sata. All though I am not sure Win ME and 2000 will accept sata. But the challenge would be: COULD YOU GET ALL THESE 10 WINDOWS VERSIONS ON 1 COMPUTER, with 10 SEPARATE DRIVES.(Don't matter what kind of drives, you have plenty lying around, if they are just big enough to fit the OS).
Install Mac OS X Yosemite on Unsupported Mac! for the next video anyway i Multiboot the Win9x and NT 4.0 OS's on Vmware Fusion using System Commander with a SSD! this saved a lot of time for me
The network card...of course....I didn't even consider that...I'll have to give that a try. I thought it might have been the processor; I'm using a P4 for the system
In WIndows NT based OS's (IN this case win 2000 and up) If you wanted multiple OS's on ONE drive, you install the oldest one first (for example WIn 2000) then the newer one (or the Windows version after that if you want more than a dual boot) and the second OS you install will automatically pick up on the older one and in the end, the Newest OS would have installed its own windows NT bootloader and it will give you options on which os you want to boot from. Here is a pic as an example: www.tenforums.com/attachments/tutorials/29147d1438940791-dual-boot-windows-10-windows-7-windows-8-a-win710boot.jpg www.groovypost.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Step-10-EasyBCD.png cdn.instructables.com/FYN/NU8U/G8C3UBKI/FYNNU8UG8C3UBKI.LARGE.jpg ( you can have more than two its just that i couldnt find a good example with more than just two on a windows nt bootloader)
I know this is like, YEARS later, but you'd actually want to use lilo, as that was what was used at the time, supported Windows booting, and allowed for multiple partitions and the like.
The Win95 install issue is well-known and there's an official fix for it, called the AMD K6 Update. You can download it from WinWorld PC (winworldpc.com/product/windows-95/patches).
Next time you could try using GRUB4DOS, it's full fledged grub but made to work with DOS & WIN partitions so no additional Linux partitions to make it work
This is more viable than you think. Ive experimented with renaming program files in the registry and this worked exceptionally well. I used a tool called regreplace. You could get at least windows 95 and 98 on the same partition But msdos.sys is going to be your problem. You could get alway with renaming msdos.sys on the fly and rebooting via a menu. I currently have a multi boot of MS-DOS 7.1 and windows 98 SE on my thinkpad and it works wonderfully. I can even type win at the command line to get into windows
"Oh my God, I moved the move command and it doesn't work anymore" is my favorite quote of 2018 so far.
I wouldn't go as far as to say that, but I will say it is in my top 10 so far.
it survived till 2k19
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Still my favorite quote in 2022.
*YOU MUST INSTALL PRINTER TO PRINT FROM WINDOWS*
You want him to take his own life?
No shit
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"Oh my god I MOVED the MOVE command!" I died
I wonder if he'll try installing both all windows versions and ibm os's on the same computer that would be epic to watch him do
an hour of Duraga1 without it being a stream, today must be something special in it's own way.
Druaga uploaded a 30+ minute SSD video
Worlds are shattering
This video was most likely the most interesting video in a while, still go back to looking at this to this day.
>Windows Vista running in a Windows ME VM
I laughed for a good two minutes reading that. I have to see this, I just have to.
I was laughing. I said are you crazy
Love how Druaga does the most painful and rabbit hole inducing install method - An OEM Windows 98 CD-ROM will always insist on being installed on a new machine exclusively - unless you change the install type to the files behaving like a FULL Retail version. :D Love the multi-partition option though.
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The error of "Divide by zero" or "Error 200" can happen if you are trying to run early dos software on either a P2 with a clock greater than 330mhz or a P3 with a clock greater than 550mhz. This however only affects the startup of the program, meaning that if it happens on a dos program running on top of win95, you can nerf the usable capacity of the processor by burning ressources using a program like CPU Killer. Once the program is loaded you can stop CPU Killer and run the program at normal speed.
the same thing happens with older programs written in Turbo Pascal (like the first Jazz Jackrabbit game)... again, patches are available. those also conk out on a cpus running 500 MHz or more
I wonder if some win95 stuff was implemented with Turbo Pascal as well, or if its just C and assembly
If you install Windows 98 and then Windows 2000 on the same partition you can dual boot 2 OSes on the same partition. Back in 2000ish I had 5 OSes running on 1 partition. NTLDR is the key.
I underclocked my Duron 950 to 650 with the pencil trick a couple weeks ago and it worked great! I was definitely on edge while waiting for it to post though.
I was there for the stream that showed this multiboot dilemma, Druaga1 using (and setting up) a quad DOS/Win95/Win98/WinME boot setup.
Colton Rushton thanks for spoiling it buddy
"Make XP run on unfavourable conditions"
There is a post on a forum I go on that got XP to run on a 2Mhz Pentium. Lets see Druaga do that!
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I have an 5 OS multiboot System on my old Laptop, starting from Windows 95 to Windows XP. it Works! Just installed every System On its own Partition.
7:07 omg thats the legendary ABIT KA7-100. I used to have that board. It wont work with a p3 because it is a AMD board, Druaga. You need a Athlon slot A cpu. OMG I knew that motherboard looked familiar in the thumbnail. I loved that board, it was chock full of every plug/socket/feature on a consumer motherboard at that time. A real flagship model. It's only weakness was the shitty via chipset/chipset drivers which would make the os microstutter and the bad cap problem as yours suffered from. The bad cap problem robbed me of that awesome board from me too. :/
Came here to say this. SLOT1 and SLOTA are the same but reverse 180deg, which is why the cpu was sitting on the caps.
Yep, they were mechanically the same. AMD was really smart to use the same connector so it was easy for the mobo makers to source parts.
I watched the stream and it was really fun
Same
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Me not I watched my cat
Maybe don´t put a pentium 3 into an AMD Athlon board ^^
WOTRetro Yep, that's a slot A motherboard
Some older Pentium/AMD boards do support both ^^
Anything after Super Socket 7 would not be supported because that's when Intel ditched AMD and AMD continued to work on Super Socket 7 before developing their own stuff.
Ultima Yeah, that's true though...
some stuff that may/may not help for future windows issues: use the DEBUG command to totally disable windows file protection, use the AT command to log on as the SYSTEM account, use folder and registry permissions to prevent data from being read or writen by clicking 'deny' for all users (including SYSTEM) in the security dialog.
Also take a look at the trick where you switch the names of utilman/sethc and cmd in order to open a command prompt at the logon screen.
1:47 - Can see by your diagram that you're missing some stuff - Linux can be made to boot from a FAT32 partition and NTLDR can chainload it, or the Linux bootloader can load NTLDR, or you can use a DOS-based or alternative bootloader to load all of those. As well, you could install WFW 3.1x (1x, 2x, and 3x are basically shells so I'm not counting those), NT3x, NT3.5x, and maybe some flavor of OS/2? As you mentioned there's 98, but then also 98SE (they are distinct OS versions). I don't know if we should count OSRs for 95, but if we include pre-release there's some Chicago builds that are pretty unique enough to count as their own thing perhaps, and there's also Neptune.
I love how his very professional looking diagram had the word "shitty" on it XD.
That PC is overkill for XP. I was running it quite happily on a bloody Cyrix 6x86PR150 with 192MB RAM and that's below its minimum specs.
You can use an old version of Acronis OS Selector that lets you do this sort of thing and still have all drives readable by all OSes IIRC.
Trying to install more than one version of windows on the same partition won't work because of the directory names among other things. You can change the name of the main windows folder during the install eg c:\windows to c:\w95 but all installs will still try to make and use c:\program files creating permission and file version errors.
It is possible to install multiple w9x installations on the same partition however. What I did in the past was make a batch file that ran before windows started and it would change c:\win1 to c:\windows or c:\win2 to c:\windows depending on which option i picked in the batch file. It didnt matter to me that both windows used the same c:\program files directory. I could still install 3rd party software like msoffice etc the same as usual. It didnt cause a problem and I didnt have to worry about windows mangling the bootsector because to windows there was only one os installed.
9:11 - You should be able to install 95 on a 1Ghz+ machine if you patch the relevant files in the installer the same way you would for the end result OS. Underclocking works too, of course, but software solution is better for having a copy that works anywhere for the future. Could also install it on an unrelated machine and then copy the folder over and manually tweak the OS for the new machine (same for any 3x/9x OS).
that livestream was fun! lol watching you get pissed off really cracks me up.
Not much better than coming home, getting a cup of tea, and watching an hour long SSD Adventure.
You moving the move command with Windows 98 was too much fun!
I installed Win95 (the USB support version) on a period-correct computer my friend's parents gave me from their basement, and the installation just worked. No protection errors, nothing. Granted, it's a 200MHz Pentium 1 with 48MB of RAM, but I'm also not much of a computer wizard so I wouldn't understand any errors anyway without the internet.
I remember using BootStar back in the day to get 95, 98 & Me working on seperated partitions.. by now I guess there's a plethora of those tools for the job.
I used to multiboot 98 and 2000 on a compaq 7792dmt on a 40gb drive, I just had 2 primary partitions. Windows 2000 setup detected the other and allowed me to switch between at boot.
this seems like one of the most successful druaga1 videos of all time. nice work getting this working. you put a lot of effort into it. thanks for a great video
28:10 Windows 98 contains a newer version of DOS, which overwrote the previous version.
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Oh God... Windows 7 on top of all that at the beginning would be hell...
As would having a standalone DOS installation at the very bottom, mixing 32-bit and 64-bit operating systems on a single partition, or the addition of a Linux + Wine installation to the mix.
And ReactOS
You need the full version of Win98SE, you are trying to use an OEM copy. I'm only half way through so don't know if you'd actually solved. OEM will only allow a clean install, other option would be Partition Magic, had a boot manager Boot Magic if I recall.
Bonus points for playing those mod's in the background. Takes me back. :D
Druaga1: "I moved the move command!"
Man, your videos are great!
Back then very few people installed Windows by themselves. And who did was knowledgable enough. We all read magazines about the new "Whatsoever" operating systems and all the quirks and flaws and peculiarities that came along with it. We all knew beforehand that installating Windows 95 needed much patience and bravery and yes - restarts. I remember installing Windows 95 once on a Pentium 90 system and the setup would crash often. After restart it would resume work until the next crash happened - rinse and repeat at least 5 times.
Depending on additional hardware like sound cards, graphic cards, modems, network cards and SCSI cards one could expect a lot of crashing during installation.
If I'm not mistaken, with this method (or a very similar one) you used you could install as many OSes as your hdd/ssd size and hardware compatibility allowed for if you used an extended partition with logical partitions inside.
Like, booting from only active partitions is a native MBR limitation, and as far as I know, having the BIOS boot from the MBR code sector and then delegating to the PBR code in the partition is how ntldr, bcd and grub could boot linux and modern windows from logical partitions until uefi and gpt made the whole thing irrelevant.
I have vague memories of installing win98se on a logical partition and booting it with Boot Magic (a boot manager from the creators of Partition Magic) waaay back in the day.
But I might be misremembering.
For the c/h/s settings, you can use a small utility called whatide that will report to you the proper settings.
Another stellar video Druaga! I'm glad to see that you were able to get the various releases under the Windows 9x family installed under a single disk, even if those installations had to be broken down into separate partitions. Trying to get different versions of Windows to install to a single partition, while having each one be bootable, would have certainly been a nightmare! It's a good thing disks can be broken down into multiple partitions to allow for this sort of environment. Having a kick-ass boot manager certainly helps as well!
just started the video but, Windows NT 4 and earlier will not boot from a fat32 partition. only fat16 or NTFS. its a pain i know, I attempted to dual boot windows 9x and NT together too
What is with the hunt's tomato sauce can time 9:27
This was enjoyable to watch but having used different partitions felt like cheating. If you already knew how to used GRUB, doing this would’ve been trivial from the get go.
Stream was really fun to watch though even if I missed 99% of it
One of your best videos, and with the best editing! 👌
Uplink music at 36:45 and 45:50 !
Anyway, Windows' own bootloader should have handled multibooting from different partitiotions without any issues. Not sure of DOS though.
Multi-boot* and Dual-Boot are quite bizarre but it is fun to do and it's very safe!
*multi-boot requires a 3rd party software
OMG AN HOUR LONG VIDEO. YESSSSS
If your board doesnt detect the IDE adapter just use a PCI IDE controller. If posible one that supports boot and that is period correct. Works marvels with shitty VIA mobos that dont detect sata2 hdds 75% of the times
The K6-2 will do just fine. I installed windows XP on a K5 100mhz with 64mb of ram.
I have a computer with DOS/Win3.1 on one hard drive, and Win95 on another, and I rigged a hardware dual boot switch to set the jumpers without opening the case.
Not watching the streams seem to have payed off. I prepare for PAIN!
(If that was even in the streams, idk)
(yup, this was in the streams, and it was PAIN)
(Thank you Druaga, very cool!)
I honestly didn't know about the Blender in 98 video for a long time, I just somehow completely missed it in my notifications when it came out.
You just need to rename WIN.COM and from that moment windows 98 will not see windows 95
Денис Устинов or use flags to skip upgrade
beat me to it! i was just thinking that whilst watching the video :-) fond memories of figuring that one out back n' the day
Have you heard of XOSL? That used to be my personal go-to for doing this exact task! And it's pretty ;-)
So, seen first 5 minutes, Few things to remember, Windows 95 OSR2 and OSR2.5 would be required for fat32 support, Ohh, and NT 4.0 does not have Fat32 support out of the box, you might be able to find a 3rd party driver, but its unlikely that you will be able to make a bootable NT4 partition with Fat32
There's actually a program that allows you to unlock Windows 95 to use more than 1.0 GHz on AMD processors or 2.1 GHz on Intel processors.
Hey Druaga1, been really enjoying watching all your youtube videos, they are very informative and entertaining, please keep them coming dude.....cheers!!!!
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Little Correction: you called the thing at the start of the disk Bootsector. Technical it is a bootsector but more specific would be MBR (Master Boot Record). Bootsector most often refers to the PBR (Partition Boot Record). The DOS or Windows Installation writes a Standard MBR which just chainloads the bootsector of the active Partition. You replaced this chainloader with the xfdisk Bootmanager, wich lets you just select the Partition to chainload to and mark ist temprarly active to not confuse Windows.The DOS or Win9x Setup also writes the PBR to load the IO.SYS, wich is the DOS Kernel and DOS than is used as a Bootloader for Win 9x, which runs it's own Kernel.
Win 9x wants exactly that DOS Version, which it ships with, that is 7.0 for Win95a, 7.10 for 95b&c and 98 and 8.0 for ME.
As you already knew you can load diffrent Windows Versions via a config.sys Menu, given the DOS Version fits. As you have Windows 95b it can use the same DOS as 98. All newer DOS Versions (I think all except 8.0) have the ability to load an older DOS Version via F7 from the same partition. So it may be even possible to load the DOS 8.0 from DOS 7.10. So would not call multibooting with a single partition impossible yet. In the worst case I could write a Bootloader to load another DOS from the same Partition.
Btw: you can reinstall the DOS (PBR, IO.SYS, MSDOS.SYS and COMMAND.COM) with the SYS Command.
If you install a NT based Windows and have a 9x based installd, it will save the current DOS PBR to a file befor it installs it own. NT
This video is like a fever dream but better :DD (I mean i really enjoyed it, keep it up Smoker :D)
The bad cap board is a Slot A (for early cardstyle Atlons)
Slot A and slot 1 are the same... Wikipedia says this:
"Slot A is mechanically compatible but electrically incompatible with Intel's Slot 1. As a consequence, Slot A motherboards were designed to have the connector's installed orientation be rotated 180 degrees relative to Slot 1 motherboards to discourage accidental insertion of a Slot 1 processor into a Slot A motherboard, and vice versa. The choice to use the same mechanical connector as the Intel Slot 1 also allowed motherboard manufacturers to keep costs down by stocking the same part for both Slot 1 and Slot A assemblies. "
tip: if you ever go for a slot A, get a "goldfinger" module as well (for overclocks), or you can get a slocket (slot/socket converter) and put in an early, pre-XP socket A CPU (you can also get them for Slot1/socket 370 and easily mod them for Tualatin support by shorting out certain pins)
Slot A boards are also quite rare, so i'd recap the one you got if it's not in the trash...
hoo boy, it's time to see the final result
the protection error is beacuse windows 95 is not compatible with virtualization, you have to disable it (well it does that w/ my VMs)
@Druaga1 The windows protection error was a common issue in the windows 9.x family. A temporary fix is to rename smartdrv.exe and rmm.pdr to the following:
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smartdrv.exe--> smartdrv.ch
rmm.pdr--> rmm.ch
Note, for the second file, you need to change the attributes on rmm.pdr before renaming it to rmm.ch.
Renaming rmm.pdr
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Boot to DOS
Next, type C: and press enter
Then use the following:
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cd\windows\system\iosubsys
and press enter
Next type the following:
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attrib rmm.pdr -r -s -h and press enter
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Lastly, ren rmm.pdr rmm.ch and press enter
Once rmm.pdr is renamed, restart the computer to see if the issue persists.
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Renaming smartdrv.exe
Boot to DOS
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Type C: and press enter
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cd\windows and press enter
ren smartdrv.exe smartdrv.ch and press enter
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Once smartdrv.exe is renamed, restart the computer to see if the issue persists.
Hey smoker, tried quite the same in ~2000 with same results. 3rd party boot manager/multiple partitions did the trick, never got 95/98 installed in one partition. I did however use PowerQuest BootMagic (later Norton) which has a way nicer 9x style GUI. Also check out their PartitionMagic. It even runs from floppies.
It's easy to remove and solder new caps on motherboard.
Install OS/2 on an SSD. Have fun!
I remember I spent an entire afternoon setting it up in a VM and my uncle said, "If you demand less from your operating system, try OS/2!"
F7-MAN!
Glad to have been a part of the stream! :)
Dunno if anyone still pays attention, but some music in this video he used is a track or two from Uplink, if anyone happens to know that game.
This video was the greatest. I want reactos added to this 9x multiboot
34:00 looks like he descended into insanity
22:00 wow lmao i cant believe it let you move even the windows folder that was hilarious
Baaaaaaaahahahaha dude love your videos and channels...
You realise you were attempting to slot the P-III in the wrong way around into Bad Cap Board, right? Fan facing AWAY from the rear panel :)
LMAO, made my day seeing you do that.
Win95 has problems with AMD CPUs that have a clock speed faster than 350 MHz.
Use FIX95CPU to fix that.
WINDOWS NT HAS A BOOT LOADER, I DID THIS WITH MULTIPLE DRIVES and got up to 7 windows 7
Was at the live stream, watched this when it came out, love your content, keep going towards your goals
welcome to the channel that is the home to the windows protection error and one dude losing his marbles because of it.
and absolutely nothing else.
always good to see a Druaga1 video man, keep it up!
i enjoyed watching the stream live
I remember this live stream I jumped in for a couple minutes
New idea Druaga1, if possible. It's sort of based on this idea but you won't need a bootloader. What do you DO need is a lot of power switches on the front panel of your computer. The idea is to buy 10 small cheap ass harddrives (you know 40GB for 5 bucks), and install Windows 3.11, 95,98,ME,2000,XP,VISTA,7,8 and 10 on each drive. Then use mechanical switches to turn off 9 drives so only THE drive with the wanted operating system will load. The idea seems interesting but: Getting Win 3.11 and 95 on the same pc as Windows 10 can be troublesome. Still. If you have a motherboard with 2 IDE connectors your can install 3.11 , 95 and 98 on IDE Drives and the rest should be doable on sata. All though I am not sure Win ME and 2000 will accept sata. But the challenge would be: COULD YOU GET ALL THESE 10 WINDOWS VERSIONS ON 1 COMPUTER, with 10 SEPARATE DRIVES.(Don't matter what kind of drives, you have plenty lying around, if they are just big enough to fit the OS).
Tay follows me too. lol I don't know why, but he does
Is there a new React OS video coming anytime soon, would love to see if compatibility has improved
I need more channels like this
Install Mac OS X Yosemite on Unsupported Mac! for the next video anyway i Multiboot the Win9x and NT 4.0 OS's on Vmware Fusion using System Commander with a SSD! this saved a lot of time for me
Love the WinAmp playing MODs.
Win95 has a problem running on a CPU with a clock speed above 350Mhz
*_os tan theme song starts playing_*
I get that 'Windows protection error' bullshit on a Win98SE machine I built. Still not sure what the hell that's about.
ChozoSR388 the network card from what I remember from one of druaga's vids.
The network card...of course....I didn't even consider that...I'll have to give that a try. I thought it might have been the processor; I'm using a P4 for the system
Hey Druaga, have AkBKukU check out the Intel RC440BX motherboard and that other board with the bad capacitors. Just an idea :)
Ultimate Multi Boot: 3-4 CD ROMs with installation disks permanently in, reinstall windows each time you want to switch! (aka insanity)
Get AkBkuKu to repair the caps on your motherboards for you and make it a collab video.
Winamp!
In WIndows NT based OS's (IN this case win 2000 and up) If you wanted multiple OS's on ONE drive, you install the oldest one first (for example WIn 2000) then the newer one (or the Windows version after that if you want more than a dual boot) and the second OS you install will automatically pick up on the older one and in the end, the Newest OS would have installed its own windows NT bootloader and it will give you options on which os you want to boot from.
Here is a pic as an example:
www.tenforums.com/attachments/tutorials/29147d1438940791-dual-boot-windows-10-windows-7-windows-8-a-win710boot.jpg
www.groovypost.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Step-10-EasyBCD.png
cdn.instructables.com/FYN/NU8U/G8C3UBKI/FYNNU8UG8C3UBKI.LARGE.jpg
( you can have more than two its just that i couldnt find a good example with more than just two on a windows nt bootloader)
can somebody tell me what's the name of that watch? I think it's a Casio but which model, it looks nice
I know this is like, YEARS later, but you'd actually want to use lilo, as that was what was used at the time, supported Windows booting, and allowed for multiple partitions and the like.
The Win95 install issue is well-known and there's an official fix for it, called the AMD K6 Update. You can download it from WinWorld PC (winworldpc.com/product/windows-95/patches).
Was that AMD k6 board out of a mini tower HP desktop? It looks so familiar.
Next time you could try using GRUB4DOS, it's full fledged grub but made to work with DOS & WIN partitions so no additional Linux partitions to make it work
This is more viable than you think. Ive experimented with renaming program files in the registry and this worked exceptionally well. I used a tool called regreplace. You could get at least windows 95 and 98 on the same partition But msdos.sys is going to be your problem. You could get alway with renaming msdos.sys on the fly and rebooting via a menu. I currently have a multi boot of MS-DOS 7.1 and windows 98 SE on my thinkpad and it works wonderfully. I can even type win at the command line to get into windows
Hey Druaga, if you will install windows vista on VM try use another emulator than Bochs, because bochs is many slower than others :)
Windows nt 4.0 has a os boot menu