American Reacts to WEIRD AUSTRALIAN LAWS

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  • @shez5964
    @shez5964 2 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    A couple of years back in Melbourne 4 police officers lost their lives in an horrendous incident. One man was charged with many crimes including an obscure one "outraging public decency". Most people had never heard of it but more than happy to be used in this tragedy.

    • @kirk5152
      @kirk5152 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I am so torn about punishment where that evil prick was concerned. What he did was so evil and inhumane and quite clearly demonstrated he is a sociopath/psychopath, I but don't know what sort of punishment is adequate for something like that. It's the only situation I've ever heard of where you hate the bystander more than the killer.

    • @petersinclair3997
      @petersinclair3997 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Think this was the incident, where the driver of the car filmed the police officers dying? Morbid. Don’t think the photographer driver was directly involved in the accident. He had been pulled over for speeding and third vehicle took out the police car?
      There were once really old laws like swimming on the beach and covering inaccurate clocks on clock towers. These around for over hundred years. Ignored. The nineteenth century stuff was taken off the books twenty years’ ago.

    • @getreal4371
      @getreal4371 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Where's the other replies, has TH-cam censored again.

    • @chrisrussell1800
      @chrisrussell1800 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You talking about pusey?

    • @kirk5152
      @kirk5152 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@chrisrussell1800 Yep

  • @dutchroll
    @dutchroll 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    "Fair dinkum"........ old school aussie slang for "genuine, true, sincere".

    • @sharnperdi6212
      @sharnperdi6212 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Also please note it ends with an 'm', not an 'n'. We want you sounding like a fair dinkum true blue ozzy but you won't be convincing any Sheila's or Bruce's saying 'dinken'.

    • @jennifergawne3002
      @jennifergawne3002 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Believed to be from a Chinese (Cantonese?)gold rush term meaning something like correct weight

    • @BJ-uy1cl
      @BJ-uy1cl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      When I first came to Australia I thought Fred Income was some iconic person everyone was referring to.

  • @kennethdodemaide8678
    @kennethdodemaide8678 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I would love to get a holey dollar or dump coin. They are worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. They were our first currency in 1813.

  • @PlasmaMongoose
    @PlasmaMongoose 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Australian currency: We have 5c, 10c, 20c, 50c, $1 and $2 coins, we used to also have 1c and 2c coins, but they stopped making them in the early 1990s cos the face value wasn't worth the metal they were made with.
    If you pay with cash, if the total price ends with a 3, 4, 6 or 7, it is rounded to the nearest 5, if on the other hand the price ends with a 1, 2, 8 or 9, it is rounded to the nearest 0.
    Example 1: If the total was $22.53 or $22.57, you pay $22.55
    Example 2: If the total was $14.98 or $15.02, you pay $15.00

    • @ozzybloke-craig3690
      @ozzybloke-craig3690 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Or the Total is rounded when buying multiple items. Meaning the most you can save is 2 cents per payment. But again, that is only for cash payments which are becoming less frequent.

  • @Dr_KAP
    @Dr_KAP 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I’m just here to say HAPPY ARVO Ryan! PS Tasmania is a state not a town 😉

    • @cathyjoy9214
      @cathyjoy9214 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      OMG "Happy arvo" just sounds so cute and quaint and I'm here for it xx

  • @denisemangan1413
    @denisemangan1413 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi Ryan- “You can’t chain up a crocodile to a fire hydrant”- sounds like a great title for a children’s book.

  • @Thisismeeeeee
    @Thisismeeeeee 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Happy arvo! Well its actually 7.01 am here in sydney 😬

  • @kenchristie9214
    @kenchristie9214 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Before "mooning", we Aussies used to call it a "giving a brown eye".

  • @carabatzis25
    @carabatzis25 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    The law about bat poo is a reference to 'guano'. It used to be used for high quality fertiliser before we discovered how to make it artificially. The USA has similar laws

    • @GeorgeWrightau
      @GeorgeWrightau 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      International disputes have started over guano covered rocks in international waters. It was used as a souce ingrediant for gunpowder.

    • @RandomStuff-he7lu
      @RandomStuff-he7lu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And if it can make fertiliser it can make explosives....................

    • @linmonash1244
      @linmonash1244 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RandomStuff-he7lu !!! Do the bats know?

  • @phunkmonkeycookiegarage7773
    @phunkmonkeycookiegarage7773 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Biggest regret of my life, never getting around to sitting for my BAT SHIT cleaning uperer licence.

    • @kellysullivan800
      @kellysullivan800 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hahaha

    • @Kayenne54
      @Kayenne54 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was trying to figure out how you'd even look it up lol. The "guano" mentioned in the law is more targeting large deposits of said substance, like in bat caves or where certain large flocks of birds roost, I'd presume, for commercial purposes. Very amusing.

  • @tassiebloke8550
    @tassiebloke8550 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Hi Ryan, Just wanted to tell you that Tasmania is not a town but a state. It’s the little heart shaped island at the bottom of mainland Australia. I am a Tasmanian. You should watch some videos of Tasmania some time. Many towns, places, and national parks are beautiful and the people are friendly.

    • @whymeeveryone
      @whymeeveryone 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      yeah Tassie also gave us Errol Flynn, Robing Hood.

    • @aflaz171
      @aflaz171 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, basically your Australian, but you live in Tasmania, OK.

    • @midnight9178
      @midnight9178 ปีที่แล้ว

      Inbred

  • @kellysullivan800
    @kellysullivan800 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So I was at the park the other day flying my kite and someone came up to me and said, "ahh flying a kite I see"
    I replied
    "Nah, I'm fishing for birds"

  • @kayelle8005
    @kayelle8005 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    First time I went to the USA I took a complete set of notes and coins because I thought people might be interested in seeing the different currency. They weren’t.

    • @StephyPaige98
      @StephyPaige98 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Aww bummer, I do that too. Also had a lot of exchange students from Japan, Brazil and Switzerland who have done the same thing. Makes for an interesting conversation.

  • @willowgirl2635
    @willowgirl2635 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    My son was wanting to pay with some coins from his money box and the shop refused, it wasn’t a huge amount. So annoying.

    • @TheZodiacz
      @TheZodiacz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      so tell them to keep their crap, walk out and never go back and tell everyone you know about the lousy service.

  • @Jeni10
    @Jeni10 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    You’re interrupting her because we have had imperial currency and decimal currency. Imperial has been out of circulation since the sixties, so only coins held in a jar by a person who collected them, would try to spend them.

    • @dav4x487
      @dav4x487 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's a reaction video Karen, he can pause the video and comment wherever he likes.

    • @linmonash1244
      @linmonash1244 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes. Where did I put that jar...?

    • @Jeni10
      @Jeni10 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@dav4x487 I’m no karen, thankfully! 😍🇦🇺

    • @Jeni10
      @Jeni10 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@dav4x487 What I meant was that his timing was slightly off, so he never heard her explain about the two different currencies. I’m no karen, thankfully! Ryan knows that because I always comment. He’s half Aussie by now! 😍🇦🇺

    • @Wandafulofit
      @Wandafulofit 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Jeni10 haha..... I agree,,,, I was yelling.. CRIKEY RYAN..... Stop pausing the bloody video......

  • @jgsheehan8810
    @jgsheehan8810 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The holey dollar and dump coin are interesting and probably worth a look at. I’m sure there must be stuff on YT about it.
    It was an answer to a lack of legal tender in the early colony. Grab some old silver (I think silver) currency from another country and punch out the middle section. Voila! You now have 2 coins that you can assign different values to.

  • @AbbyBolt_10
    @AbbyBolt_10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you are confused about Australian currency:
    The cash we use is either cent coins: 5¢, 10¢, 20¢, or 50¢ (100 cents '¢' makes up one dollar) Dollar coins are either $1 or 2$
    Our dollar notes are in $5, $10, $20, $50 and $100 - nobody uses pennies, or 'dump' coins. Most people use card anyway 👍

  • @RobB-vz2vo
    @RobB-vz2vo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Back in 1̴9̴6̴5̴ 1966 Australia, given inflation, 50c had the same value as $14.38 today. So paying with $5 worth of 50c pieces will be like paying for something worth $71 today in coins. As a kid, finding 20c back in the late 60s made our day (e.g. a bag of hot chips cost $5c in 1971).

    • @myopinion69420
      @myopinion69420 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      hell, even back in the late 90's early 2000's, 20c as a kid was a good find. I remember living just down the road from a Coles. the amount of trolleys I returned for the 20c was insane, I would return anywhere from 5-20 a day, and that was just me passing through the carpark on my way to do other things, its not like I was just sitting there waiting.
      back then 20c would still get you a somewhat decent amount of lollies, I think ghost drops were 1c each.

    • @johnedwards7899
      @johnedwards7899 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The first 50¢ cons had a high percentage of silver, so much in fact that the were soon worth 75¢.
      So newer coins were minted without silver.
      Personally, if I was in charge, 50¢ coins would be eleiminated.
      Too big and relatively useless.

    • @Kayenne54
      @Kayenne54 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@myopinion69420 Of course it wasn't you just sitting there waiting...lol. Oddly specific.

    • @EarlJohn61
      @EarlJohn61 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      back in 1965 there was no such thing as 50c ... ... Decimal currency was first introduced, in Australia, on Valentines Day ... February 1966!

    • @RobB-vz2vo
      @RobB-vz2vo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@EarlJohn61 That's right it was '66. I'll change my post from '65 to '66

  • @getreal4371
    @getreal4371 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    In South Australia all taxis have to carry a bail of hay.
    This is because before cars, horse drawn taxis were in use and they had to be fed.

    • @terryjeisman7550
      @terryjeisman7550 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It is illegal to ride a beast of burden whilst under the influence of intoxicating liquor. Cost me 5 shillings when I did it Hahndorf!

  • @louislynge
    @louislynge 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Back in the 70's one of my old teachers at University found out that Oxford St (a Main Street in Sydney) was still listed as a cattle run.. Sooo him and some of his uni mates got their hands on some cattle and shut the road down all day by walking the cattle up and down the road :P

    • @linmonash1244
      @linmonash1244 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Love that. What did the 'authorities' do?

    • @petersinclair3997
      @petersinclair3997 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Was it prearranged? All day would create problems.

    • @vikkievenden9988
      @vikkievenden9988 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      hahaha awesome

    • @louislynge
      @louislynge 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@linmonash1244 They had to keep the street clear of traffic and divert it all across the city..

    • @louislynge
      @louislynge 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@petersinclair3997 It created a LOT of problems and diversions, but back in the 70's it was a lot easier to be a smart arse.
      Not prearrainged at all with the fuzz.

  • @RobB-vz2vo
    @RobB-vz2vo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    In Australia these are some of the old laws that have not been removed although some newer laws trump them -
    There is a law that makes it legal to take a piss in public if you are in town and caught short but you need to find a vehicle and pee on the left rear wheel. It doesn't cover taking a dump in public. However there is a newer law that trumps that is covered under the 'Offences against decency and morality'. Police are advising that no, that’s not a thing and please stop doing it, you will definitely be arrested. You’ll even get a $500 on the spot fine for it in WA.
    -Queensland taxis are required to carry a bale of hay in their boot.
    -Gold Coast bikinis must not exceed more than six square inches of material.
    -Slow your horse down in church zones
    -There’s actually a law that says it’s illegal to carry an animal between the rider and the handlebars of a motorbike. However, in Queensland you can ride a motorbike with an animal on your lap, only for less than 500m, if it is being carried for the purpose of farming activity.
    -Only qualified electricians can change a light bulb in Victoria.
    -It’s against the law to dress up as Batman or Robin.
    -Fortune telling is against the law.
    -Although it’s illegal for children in Australia to purchase cigarettes and alcohol apparently it’s not against the law for children to partake in them.
    -It’s against the law to touch electric wires that cause death. According to this law, it’s ok to get slightly-singed by electric wires just make sure they don’t electrocute you to death. Otherwise, you could be on the hook for a $200 fine.

    • @stormygayle9388
      @stormygayle9388 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Did you get that right re the bikini and Qld.. must not exceed 6 sq inches.. that makes no sense., why wld they stop me wearing a “bigger” bikini.. ?? Did u mean it shouldn’t be less than 6sq inches? Hi from Sydney!

    • @brosert
      @brosert 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The cigarettes and alcohol are quite interesting (but when you think about it, maybe it makes sense). It's not even illegal for them to buy cigarettes or alcohol - it's illegal for someone to supply it to them them (so the shop can get in trouble for selling it, but the kids don't get in trouble for buying it).
      Presumably the law is that way because you want to prosecute adults who know better rather than children.....

    • @RobB-vz2vo
      @RobB-vz2vo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@stormygayle9388 That makes sense now that you mention it. This was something I heard of when I was a teen and saw it recently online but not on an official rules and regs site. It's either a viral meme spread in the '70s by Qld marketing to attract schoolies before the organised schoolies took off or those old beach inspectors with the tape measures in order to get better job satisfaction.
      I went looking when I saw your reply but went down a bikini wormhole ...I'm currently watching a TH-cam video called 'Australia breaks the record of the largest bikini parade'

    • @RobB-vz2vo
      @RobB-vz2vo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@brosert When I went to school back in the '70s, half the kids on the bus got off, went into one door, dropped 5c on the counter, took a cigarette from the packet the shopkeeper was presenting them and went out the other door across the road again and into school. The shopkeeper had an efficient system to flog cigs and clear his shop.

  • @brendenmclachlan8232
    @brendenmclachlan8232 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fair dinkum means it's ridgey didge, a bewdy, a bonza, or even a bottler.. depending on the context. Hope that cleared it up for you. 😉

  • @christopherblackwell8245
    @christopherblackwell8245 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey love your videos man. I'm Australian and apart from the squatting law i haven't heard of any of these laws in over 40 years

  • @HaurakiVet
    @HaurakiVet 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    While a kite is in the air it is silent and beautiful but when it crashes into sun bathers at a beach or the kite flyer runs across your picnic blanket that can truly piss you off!

  • @aussieragdoll4840
    @aussieragdoll4840 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    In the early days of the colony they didn’t have enough coins for the economy. So they took one and punched the centre out - the Holey Dollar (the outer portion) and the Dump (the centre portion). They each had their own value and we suddenly had more coins. We changed from Pounds, Shillings and Pence to Decimal Currency on 14 February 1966. I can still sing the song they made to teach people about the change over 9I was 8 at the time). We don’t use 1 or 2 cent coins now. If paying by cash, we round down to the nearest 5 cents if the total ends in a 1,2, 6 or 7. And we round up to the next 5 cents if the total ends in a 3, 4, 8 or 9. If you pay by card… you pay the amount shown.

  • @margz3551
    @margz3551 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    A few years ago I paid a $50 parking fine just on closing time on Christmas Eve with 5 and 10 cent pieces as a 🖕to them, they were not impressed...when she was finished she said I was 10 cents over, I said yeh I know, I threw it in to make sure you counted it properly 🤣

    • @tammymcleod4504
      @tammymcleod4504 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Bahaha!! You legend!!!!

    • @kellysullivan800
      @kellysullivan800 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Love it

    • @elizabethscott7660
      @elizabethscott7660 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I confess to doing that too.

    • @johnedwards7899
      @johnedwards7899 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You cant do that in Melbourne.
      They have a sign that states the limits of various coins that they will accept.

    • @lynneperry7454
      @lynneperry7454 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      So you gave some poor desk clerk who had had a long day a tedious, time consuming job because you were peeved with her Employer? Hero.Not.

  • @catherina2611
    @catherina2611 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You should check out Australian currency. The notes are the most advanced in the World and they are possibly the prettiest also.

  • @davecheffie5706
    @davecheffie5706 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I know in Queensland, you may urinate in public if absolutely no other option is available, but you may only relieve yourself on the rear right wheel of your wagon/car

  • @RandomStuff-he7lu
    @RandomStuff-he7lu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The US also has laws allowing squatters to claim ownership of a property they have lived in for a certain amount of time.

  • @sigmaoctantis1892
    @sigmaoctantis1892 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    The obscene language law, at least in NSW, is about language likely to cause offence to a reasonable person. I recall a case being dismissed by a magistrate, with a ruling something like, a reasonable person at 3 AM Sunday morning, in Kings Cross, is quite different to reasonable person at 10 AM later that day, outside a church, in Killara.

    • @linmonash1244
      @linmonash1244 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What a reasonable Judge! 👍

    • @petersinclair3997
      @petersinclair3997 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Magistrate Pate O’Shea dismissed a similar police charge, holding swearing is a part of Police culture. Technically, an it is a Christian offence to take an oath on the bible; James 5:12, Mathew 5:32-5:37. Ephesians 5:4. Calling your (spiritual) brother “a fool” condemns one the fires of hell Mathew 5.22.
      I’m not a religious bot. I just checked out swearing, offence and oaths in the Bible.

    • @petersinclair3997
      @petersinclair3997 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      No, pre-decimal currency, before 1966. became obsolete as tender and recalled by the RBA. I worked at the a Bank Chief Cashiers, then. Circa. 1975.

    • @sigmaoctantis1892
      @sigmaoctantis1892 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@petersinclair3997 According to the Reserve Bank- All Australian banknotes that have previously been issued into circulation by the Reserve Bank remain legal tender and can continue to be used.
      Also, according to the Australian Mint- The Holey Dollar and Dump are the only Australian coins which have had their ‘legal tender’ status removed, or been ‘demonetised’.
      Some coins which are no longer in circulation, such as Australia’s pre-decimal coins and the 1 and 2 cent coin are still ‘legal tender.’

    • @adriaandeleeuw8339
      @adriaandeleeuw8339 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@petersinclair3997 Well who ever told you that didnt know the law..... even Half Pennies are still legal tender and a Bank WILL accept them and give you the 1966 face value equivalent, My son got a sixpence in a roll of 5 cent pieces just the other week. I double checked with my sister she is a Bank Manager, she says that all coins minted by or for the Australian Government since 1910 are legal tender and all Notes printed for the Australian Government are still legal tender, she noted that she confirmed the note matter recently when some one brought in some pound notes.... she bought said pound notes at face value from the bank after checking what to do with them from her central office.

  • @kennethdodemaide8678
    @kennethdodemaide8678 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    There are still ridiculous regulations that exist today. eg. teachers are required to tie their horse to a hitching post at the school.

  • @R3WIRED
    @R3WIRED 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The currency law is to stop people paying for expensive things, especially in anger (like fines) with 5c coins or even $1 coins. You will see examples of that happening in the US.

  • @carokat1111
    @carokat1111 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Tasmanian here. You should check out a video about our beautiful island.

  • @joshprivate5850
    @joshprivate5850 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    After watching this I can guarantee you Australia is nothing like this, Victoria is the biggest nanny state in the world and rest of the country is far more laid back and I haven't even heard of half these laws lol

  • @njkauto2394
    @njkauto2394 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Any weird laws that prevent people from having fun came from Victoria in the 1980's.

  • @ghostieyog6445
    @ghostieyog6445 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fair Dinkum is an expression used in place of stuff like "Wow, seriously?"
    We also use "Far out!"
    Idk how others pronounce it, but my dad and I pronounce it like "Fed-ink-um." at this point

  • @charlesbrewer6552
    @charlesbrewer6552 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I suspect the coin payment limit happened as a result of people paying road tolls with low value coins as a form of protest.
    we don't have 1 and 2 cent coins anymore, but back in the day , a number of people started paying two dollar Harbour Bridge tolls with one an two cent pieces to protest the toll.

  • @gooneygaga
    @gooneygaga 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hot Pink Pants and Batman and Robin was just tongue-in-cheek.

  • @leglessinoz
    @leglessinoz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Legal experts have said that there is no evidence that the law about pink trousers actually exists.

  • @PiersDJackson
    @PiersDJackson 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Explanation of Australian coin currency: in 1966 Australia decimalised from £,s,d to $.c (or Pounds, Shillings and Pence to Dollars and Cents)... the original denominations were 1c, 2c, 5c, 10c, 20c & 50c... the 50c changed shape from round to a dodecahedron in 1968... originally there were also $1 and $2 notes, these were changed to gold coin in 1984 and 1988 respectively.... also the $50 and $100 notes did not start until 1973 and 1984.... And 1c and 2c coins have been removed from circulation, with sales rounding to the nearest 5c increment (ie. 98c = $1, 97c = 95c).... However all previous currency is still legal tender, under the pre-existing face value exchange rates.... the "Holy Dollar" and "Dump" are no longer legal tender, as they were actually a temporary currency made from Spanish coins, the centre's being punched out, said punch out being the dump.
    All coins in general circulation (at least those of decimal denominations) have the Queen on one face, the likeness has changed with her age. Previous coins have had Edward VII, George V, Edward VIII (extremely rare), George VI, and Elizabeth II (current)... otherwise it was either an St. Edward's or Tudor Crown imprint.

    • @petersinclair3997
      @petersinclair3997 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The dollar was calibrated to ten shillings, half a pound, prior the standard unit the pound. The average haven $200 gold coins. Unsure about the old currency beyond round a decade, post 1966.

  • @michaelwolters527
    @michaelwolters527 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    At a 'Public House' in South Australia........... (i.e. a pub or any similar establishment) you are legally entitled to have a hitching rail for your horse.

  • @Aurochhunter
    @Aurochhunter ปีที่แล้ว

    Australia did once have $1 and $2 notes, but they haven’t been used since the introduction of the corresponding coins.

  • @tomthemime4318
    @tomthemime4318 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Victorian nuisance laws like the vacuum cleaner one matter for units of flats more than free standing houses. You might not hear it in adjacent houses but if the flat directly above you is vacuuming, you definitely hear it. It's basically just spelling out specific cases of nuisance laws, which don't normally do much unless someone complains about the activity.

  • @BarrySuridge
    @BarrySuridge 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Some states and territories have standing Law Reform Commissions whose job is to weed out the pre-federation and colonial laws. Federal laws only date from 1901. And Tasmania is a state ... the island in the South East.

  • @daveamies5031
    @daveamies5031 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of the old obscure laws that's still there (at least in QLD) and never enforced is the bell ringer (you need to have a bell ringer walk in front of your vehicle ringing a bell to warn road users of the car approaching)

    • @RandomStuff-he7lu
      @RandomStuff-he7lu 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The issue is that just because laws are still on the books doesn't mean that they're still enforceable. If a law is passed that makes a previous law not workable then the new law is in force.

  • @Ainzleeriddell
    @Ainzleeriddell 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Our coins are beautiful! The echidna 5c piece is gorgeous!

  • @withersteve7391
    @withersteve7391 ปีที่แล้ว

    All the coins you would normally see around Australia are 5, 10, 20, 50 cent coins and $1 and $2 coins, the penny is rarely used and the dump coin and it’s partner are from the first settlement way back when.

  • @cassandramcfadyen1988
    @cassandramcfadyen1988 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tell me where the hell you get a $3.50 coffee??????? You can easily hear a vacuum in an apartment building

  • @Angarl
    @Angarl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There is a good reason for the coin law, as teenagers we used to give each other money as birthday presents so that our friends could get whatever they wanted most. Well more than once we did so using 5 and 10 cent coins in a box for up to $20 gift.
    If anyone tried to buy something with that the shop would have to find a place to put 200 or 400 coins. Easier to have a law that lets them refuse.

    • @mehere8038
      @mehere8038 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      there was also the guy the current affairs shows picked up on that discovered after 1 & 2 cent coins were withdrawn, that he could take advantage of the rounding down benefit to pay less if he purchased every grocery item individually, hence where the more generic ability to refuse is useful

  • @johnblyth9787
    @johnblyth9787 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    To clarify the coins in Australia. Up to 13th Febuary 1966, we had Pounds, Shillings and Pence. 12 pennies in a shilling, and 20 shillings in a pound. 1 penny, thripence, sixpence, shilling, two shilling coins. In early days also ha'penny was half a penny, and farthing quarter of a penny.
    From 14th Febuary 1966 Dollars and cents were introduced. 1, 2, 5, 10, 20 cent coins. Latter 50 cent coin. Notes 1, 2, 10, 20 dollars. Latter $5. With inflation, 1 and 2 cent coins were removed, 1 and 2 dollars became coins, and $50 note introduced. More recently $100 note.
    A lot of shops etc will gladly take a few dollars in coins for change. Perhaps 4 or 5 dollars. Much more and you are best to use it bit by bit, or go to a bank.

  • @taniac1514
    @taniac1514 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m in Melbourne and most of these laws I’ve never heard of let alone seen anyone enforce

  • @overworlder
    @overworlder 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Well outdated laws won't go away if you do absolutely nothing about it. If I've learned one thing in life, it's that even minimal effort towards a goal will eventually achieve it, compared to doing nothing.

    • @RandomStuff-he7lu
      @RandomStuff-he7lu 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Outdated laws are usually never gotten rid of. Usually newer laws are passed which make their enforcement unlikely or impossible. If a law passed 10 years ago says one thing and another passed today says the opposite then the newer law wins even though both are technically on the books.

    • @overworlder
      @overworlder 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RandomStuff-he7lu - Of course. But there's also nothing to stop each AGs dept having a couple of people checking for obsolete laws.

  • @PaulMurrayCanberra
    @PaulMurrayCanberra 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Seabird/Bat poo: aka "guano". A source of phosphorus, important for agriculture. The law was directed at companies mining it without a license, but evidently was badly drafted.

  • @lucindasavona2278
    @lucindasavona2278 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was given a $100 note as a Christmas gift.
    No shop at my local shopping mall would take it.
    I end up asking my bank to exchange it for 2 X $50 notes.

  • @wayneclarke1270
    @wayneclarke1270 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The hole dollar was a Spanish coin with the centre punched out centre and used as two separate coins . Used as poclamation money in 1813 due to lack of coinage

    • @vikkievenden9988
      @vikkievenden9988 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      thank you i was wondering what they were 🙃

  • @ingridclare7411
    @ingridclare7411 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    We stopped using the shillings, 2 shillings, pennies, sixpences, threepences in 1966. For a while there was a bit of a crossover between the pound system and the decimal. You could use both. Until the shillings etc were all removed from circulation. We no longer use 1 or 2 cent coins anymore btw. We start with 5 cent coins and they are hanging by a thread now too. Think they'll get the boot too. It'll be 10cent coins start.

  • @charlesbrewer6552
    @charlesbrewer6552 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    We went to decimal currency in February 1966 . Dollars and Cents.
    Before that we had English style currency Pounds, Shillings and Pence.
    12 Pennies in a Shilling and 20 Shillings in a Pound.
    !/2 a Crown was 10 Shillings.
    There were 21 Shillings in a Guinea
    We also had Hapennies (!/2 pennies) and Farthings (1/4 Pennies).
    Primary school math was a nightmare adding up and subtracting money! Never mind multiplication and division!
    America got SOMETHING right!

  • @briantayler1230
    @briantayler1230 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The law about bird poop makes sense. Bird poop that has accumulated in large amounts over time has value and is mined and sold as fertilizer. This natural resource belongs to the government as does any other mineral and the miner needs to obtain a license and pay royalties.

    • @TheZodiacz
      @TheZodiacz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      it belongs to the government cos they're full of shit

  • @mehere8038
    @mehere8038 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just paid over $600 in rent in shrapnel
    To the bank, used it for rent cause I figured that was something it was reasonable to do with it. Surprising how it adds up though!
    I've had carers doing shopping for me during covid & they constantly lose coins if I give them, so I only give them notes & put the change into a money box each time & it's just added up!
    I did it right, got the coin bags & bagged it all up first, so no real drama, other than the weight, surprised me how much money was in there when I added it up though! The 50c upwards in particular really add up

  • @richardknight1532
    @richardknight1532 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The dump coin comes from the punched out part of the holey coin is called the dump.
    pennies shillings and sixpence etc are from pre-decimal

  • @linmonash1244
    @linmonash1244 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fair DINKUM { = Really True! } as in:-
    Qu. "You can't hitch a wagon to your goat and head out on a public road! Really?"
    Ans: "Fair Dinkum!" Damn! Come here Billy - I have to unhitch you... 'Maaaa!' 😆
    Tasmania - a State of Australia. About the size of Virginia - or Switzerland
    { Have you done a Tassie Devil clip yet? }
    Batman or Robin? I think... it's about not wearing face concealing items when you enter a bank.
    The Coins? Whoever constructed that convoluted law has untreated OCD.
    Also, despite our 'Tap & Go' habits quite a few small retailers appreciate being given change, as they're often too short staffed to send someone down to the bank if they run out.
    We always thought the American Quarters were a good idea when $'s came in, but here we are - still - with our 5 x 20c 👍
    Parking meters, here in Tasmania, along with credit cards, still take all coins down to 10c.

  • @joandsarah77
    @joandsarah77 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    If you listened more carefully to that part on the coins instead of interupting you would have heard those coins were used back when Australia used pounds. We now use dollars which is why she said 'collectors item'. We don't have all those coins readily circulating.

    • @pascalswager9100
      @pascalswager9100 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Bit harsh, be nice to Rysie!

    • @kerensabirch5214
      @kerensabirch5214 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Give him a break! He's obviously interested in our country and is really trying to understand our culture, unlike many other foreigners. As for interrupting, it IS a reaction video so that comes with the territory. It's not like he's expecting to be tested on what he's learned.

    • @stopbunsen
      @stopbunsen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Having a bad day, much??

    • @dav4x487
      @dav4x487 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      He didn't interrupt her Karen, it's a reaction video, and he can pause the video and comment wherever he likes.

    • @rossbrumby1957
      @rossbrumby1957 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dav4x487 yeah! Even if he cuts in to talk saying he doesn't understand about all our coins right when the lady is explaining about all our coins. More interested in commenting than listening. I hate people who refuse to listen and cut you off saying they dont understand. Stupid arrogant people do that all the time.

  • @pauldodge1071
    @pauldodge1071 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Tasmania is the little island below the mainland. It is the second smallest state and is quite different to mainland Australia, it's sort of a mix between Australia and New Zealand. I live near the capital city Hobart. In one of the towns (Queenstown) they play football on gravel ! so yeah there are some bad asses, but were mainly just normal Australians. Tassie has a lot of wilderness areas, so you want to check it out if you come to Australia.

    • @michaelmclachlan1650
      @michaelmclachlan1650 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And it's not that small, 68,332 square kilometres (26,383 square miles), so the 26th largest island in the world or, for Ryan's reference, about the size of West Virginia.

    • @pauldodge1071
      @pauldodge1071 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@michaelmclachlan1650 Yeah I guess so, but compared to the distances you travel on the mainland, we seem pretty small

    • @michaelmclachlan1650
      @michaelmclachlan1650 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@pauldodge1071 I've heard from a few people that what comprises 'distance' does change if you live in smaller places; my brother and his wife, when trying to find accommodation near Hobart were given apologies regarding the 'long distance' required - it was 40km. Friends found that people who'd moved to Tasmania now considered a 20 minute journey a long distance.
      I used to live in Sydney and remember when numerous times driving from Adelaide I'd reach the the Hume Highway and think "Not long now" - it was still another five hours to go!

    • @pauldodge1071
      @pauldodge1071 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@michaelmclachlan1650 yes a trip to Launceston, about 2 hrs is considered a day trip, many wouldn't even consider going that far and driving back in one day, many people wouldn't take a job if they had to drive 40 minutes to get to work. Tassie is very laid back and friendly.

    • @michaelmclachlan1650
      @michaelmclachlan1650 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pauldodge1071 It's a long time since I've been to Tasmania, had a great time and must return soon. My daily commute used to be at least two hours each way though I did use bus and train - minimum 90 minutes by car.

  • @peterdawes1868
    @peterdawes1868 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Australia was pound shillings and pence. I was a little tacker when we changed. Still have a tin full of pre-decimal coins somewhere.

  • @GregPolkinghorne
    @GregPolkinghorne 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm guessing the poo cleaning thing is actually about harvesting guano which can be valuable. Rather than just washing it off your car.

  • @stephaniehawkins5211
    @stephaniehawkins5211 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    In Australia, one law that is over a hundred years old, is horses have right of way over traffic. It is against the law to urinate in the open. And against the law to spit in public.

  • @aperinich
    @aperinich 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Australia shifted to Decimal currency in 1966. Prior to that there were British-style denominations in use. These are still classified as legal tender.

  • @elanhunter310
    @elanhunter310 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    We no longer have shillings pence etc… we USED to have them then our currency changed…then we had 1c, 2c, 5c ,10c, 20c, 50c then 1 & $2 notes…. This has changed yet again..so as of today we have silver cents starting at 5,10, 20, 50c… then they changed $1 &$2 notes to gold coins…. The notes start at $5,10,20,50, $100…

  • @fab3laundry
    @fab3laundry 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Even the self serve machines get full if you try to pay for groceries with all coins.

  • @gooneygaga
    @gooneygaga 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    OMG you have Karen in the USA as well!!!!? Wow, I didn't realize she had a broom stick to travel as well!

  • @eileencollins2536
    @eileencollins2536 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fair dinkum mate, I think if you look at your country's laws you would find many that exist that shouldn't exist.... every country will have their own version of law's that should be removed

  • @ChickenatorJr
    @ChickenatorJr 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The only coins we now use in Australia are 5 cent, 10 cent, 20 cent. 50 cent, 1 dollar and 2 dollar coins. All those shillings and dump coins and things we stopped using decades and even centureies ago (respectively)

  • @fairmaiden6472
    @fairmaiden6472 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yep. Happened to me at GIO in the 1990s

  • @larissahorne9991
    @larissahorne9991 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We're not the only one with weird obscure laws nobody knows about or follows we're not the only ones. What I find amusing is England where technically it's illegal to eat Chocolate in public. When they invented Vending Machines, starting with Chocolate ones for Train Stations. It's crazy because legally you can buy a Choccie (Chocolate Bar) at a Train Station 🚉, but you can't eat it until you're in private. I'll start another comment.

  • @Kayenne54
    @Kayenne54 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Queensland still has (so I've heard/read) laws regarding it being illegal to tell fortunes. So any tarot card or fortune telling places have to sell tea/coffee and cake (but they're NOT selling fortune telling, mind) so people can get readings done. Used to be a "cafe" in Brisbane CBD that offered this service. Cup of coffee and cake and incidentally, someone is going to shuffle cards and mention some stuff while you munch, "for entertainment purposes only". Also, I think there is a very outdated law whereby public taxis have to have a bale of hay on board somewhere - (formerly for the poor horse who used to pull the cab). Obviously that one doesn't get enforced.

  • @alwynemcintyre2184
    @alwynemcintyre2184 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You missed that one Ryan, dog or goat as a power source for a vehicle

  • @utha2665
    @utha2665 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fair dinkum is used to emphasize or seek confirmation of the genuineness or truth of something, or used to emphasize that behaviour complies with accepted standards. There's some argument over the origin of fair dinkum but the two most popular ones are: 1) A Cantonese word "din cum" means good, genuine or fair gold. Over time it was used for anything genuine. 2) it came from the English Midlands and dinkum meant work, fair dinkum was a fair days work.
    The holey dollar and dump were used from about 1812 to 1829 to overcome coin shortages. They were Spanish Dollars that had their centres punched out and were restamped with British colonial markings. The dump was worth 15 pence or 1 shilling threepence and the holey dollar was with 5 shillings. There were only ~40000 Spanish Dollars converted and it is said that only 250 holey dollars remain and about 1500 dumps making them very rare and of significant value today.

    • @darrencottam1146
      @darrencottam1146 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was taught a dinkum was a Chinese balance scale ,these were easy to manipulate and cheat on price of exchanged gold.also honey was put in the funnel when measuring gold dust ,collecting dust that couldn't be seen ,then when the seller was gone the honey was washed to extract the stolen gold.
      When the prospectors sold to the Chinese they would asked if it was a " fair dinkum" ,hence the birth of the term.

    • @utha2665
      @utha2665 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@darrencottam1146 I hadn't heard that one before, sounds plausible too.

    • @darrencottam1146
      @darrencottam1146 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@utha2665 I remember a school teacher teaching us this during a history of the gold rush ,way back in fourth grade . Haven't heard it mentioned again,but every time I hear fair dinkum that lesson always springs to mind. Cheers.

  • @BarrySuridge
    @BarrySuridge 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    1- and 2-cent coins were discontinued in 1991 and withdrawn from circulation in 1992. BTW: The 'Holey' Dollar (five shillings) is an 1813-minted coin, the first to be 'minted' in this country. They were made from Spanish reales. You'd be very lucky to see one outside of a museum. The George III "Dump" coin is the centre of the Spanish reale that was punched out and over stamped with a value of fifteen pence.

  • @jaci_mac23
    @jaci_mac23 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Kites are bloody annoying when people can't fly them properly 🤣🤣. Kite to the back of the head...not fun...😆

  • @larissahorne9991
    @larissahorne9991 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    We did away with 1 and 2 cent coins in the early 90's. We have 5, 10, 20, 50 cent ones alongside 1 and 2 dollar coins. If I have too many coins I'll use a Self-service Checkout and let it do my adding up for me. I agree that it's annoying when there's a lot of customers and someone decides to try paying with coins.
    I'll do it with small businesses such as out Takeaways which sell Hamburgers, Fish And Chips, various Hot Foods, Choccies (Chocolate 🍫 Bars), Lollies (Candy 🍬 or Sweets), Icecreams, Packets of Chips alongside Hot and Cold Drinks. If they aren't too busy they're usually quite happy to be given coins.

  • @suzidelarue5344
    @suzidelarue5344 ปีที่แล้ว

    There is still one in a town in Tasmania
    Not allowed to work on a Sunday
    One policeman didn't likea farmer so he gave him a fine for driving his truck on a Sunday

  • @michaelmayo9048
    @michaelmayo9048 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lots of kids dress as batman in Australia ....l saw buggs bunny awhile ago walking down the street..l thought l saw penguin but it was just an old eroupean lady...

  • @kookymonsta6566
    @kookymonsta6566 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The thing with the coins actually happened to me a couple of years ago. They refused to take my coins even though I had the amount they wanted. I just didn't have the money in my bank account so they refused to accept it.

  • @tenzinwadsworth9585
    @tenzinwadsworth9585 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tasmania is where all grandmas in Australia live

  • @helmuthschultes9243
    @helmuthschultes9243 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excluding real big lots of coins like a small sack/bag full, mybexperience is that most shops are actually happy if you pay with a bunch of spare coins especially the most used 10, 20, 50 $1 and $2 coins. I have even paid for over $30 with $1 and $2 coins and a few 20, 50 coins and actually been thanked for doing so, even asked if I have more would I exchange for bank notes. On this offer I have often swapped between $20 and $50 of coins causingva major bulge in the coin pocket. Trouble is mostly on getting change it is just stuffed away in the pockets, too lazy to did out coins when shopping and just pulling a bank note to pay so coins can accurate over weeks to months. Really big quantities need to be taken to banks dropped into coin counting machines provided and getting a receipt printed and using a teller to payout the equivalent in notes plus residual coins to that balance. Most frequently you see businesses with several bags of coins rattling through then getting notes and a stack of coin rolls wrapped in paper, rather than manually counting previous day accumulated coins. The rolls are kept at the business and placed in the till trays as required. The rolls can be old circulated coins, re-wrapped or brand new from the national mint, which supplies rolls and also small cloth sacks of coins depending on volume batch required. A lot of coin rolls are assembled wrapped in paper by the security firms, transporting currency between banks or delivering cash payroll to businesses. They get the coins from the banks, as put into the counting machines. Delivering paper wrapped rolls back to the banks, of course removing significantly damaged coins, which are sent to recycle by the mint.

  • @noraryan8891
    @noraryan8891 ปีที่แล้ว

    Most are laws that have never been cancelled, Hot Pants , see them all over the place , Coins Shillings , Pennies are before 1966 there old currency so you can still use on face value or a Collector will give you 10x the value

  • @mikeythehat6693
    @mikeythehat6693 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The term is "fair dinkum" with am "M" .
    Usually used to express the truth of a matter , "Australia is fair dinkum the best place on earth . Or to express surprise / approval / disapproval of someone else's statement , "My football team beat yours on the weekend" , " fair dinkum " ? / ! Or "You were speeding and will incur a fine " ! " oh fair dinkum ( f**k) no " So you were correct (sort of) in using it to approve of the splashing water law , you just mis-pronounced it .
    The term is used heavily in Queensland where I live , but I know it's not so common in Southern states .

  • @anniemac7545
    @anniemac7545 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sweet Jez! Some of our Laws are hilarious.

  • @danjam888
    @danjam888 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tasmania is the Island State at the bottom of the mainland. you should react to the TWO Geography Now videos on Australia, as well as a video called "Secrets of the Australian Dollar"

  • @rahb1
    @rahb1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    "A vacuum cleaner in your own house? Nobody can hear that!" I lived in a unit with a central vacuum, and the next door neighbour complained one evening when I was vacuuming upstairs at 8pm. Really! A 'Karen' is not always a female!

  • @alwynemcintyre2184
    @alwynemcintyre2184 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    We changed to decimal currency in 1966, so we have pre and post decimal currency coinage

  • @zwieseler
    @zwieseler 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We don’t have 1 and 2 cent coins anymore… but if someone had a jar of them from back in the day, they can still use them.
    We went decimal in 1966. Pennies and shillings aren’t a thing anymore.
    The woman you saw walking her dog with her car would probably be ok because the dog isn’t attached or harnessed to the car.
    I struggle with the American laws that make it harder to buy and own a phone than an assault rifle.

  • @amyhomer151
    @amyhomer151 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    We don’t use pennies or ‘dump’ coins on a regular. We only have 6 main coins (.05c, .10c, .20c, .50c $1 and $2) pennies plus the others are very rare.

  • @townview5322
    @townview5322 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    1. 1c and 2c coins are no longer in use. $1 and $2 notes are now coins. 2. Pennies, shillings etc are pre-decimal currency days and are no longer in use. 3. In the early days of the colony, to save on the cost of coin production, take a coin and cut out a smaller circle from the centre. You now have a coin (with a hole in the centre) and the 'dump' as a second coin. 4. A lot of these examples are rubbish and no-one was doing that stuff anyway.

  • @DeadlyDigger
    @DeadlyDigger 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Many laws are replaced without the repeal of the old laws

  • @stevesymonds7724
    @stevesymonds7724 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The holey dollar and dump were created due to a lack of coins in the early days of the colony. Governor Macquarie imported 40,000 Spanish reales in 1812 and had convicted forger William Henshall cut the centre out of each, to double the number of available coins. The coins were counterstamped and the outer ring became known as the holey dollar, with the centre renamed the dump. Macquarie set the value of the holey dollar at five shillings, with 15 pence for the dump. These coins went into circulation in 1814 and were replaced with sterling coinage from 1822.

  • @johnedwards7899
    @johnedwards7899 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fair dink equates "honestly"
    The dump dollar and the dump was used back in the early 1800's when Australia had very little currency.
    So governor Macquarie bought a stack of Spanish coins.
    He doubled the amount by punching the centres out, the dump.
    If you had one of these coins today, they would be extremely rare and it would fetch a high price at auction.
    The 1930's penny is also rare and that would also be very valuable.

  • @helmuthschultes9243
    @helmuthschultes9243 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not entirely sure it is still there but at least to later 1900s there was still a law on Victoria's books, never enforced, but there so could get you before a judge.
    It is required that every motorised vehicle shall have a person walking ahead, waving a red flag warning of the approaching motor vehicle, for public safety.
    Just imagine how that could work these days. See how well it would work on US freeways.

  • @shaneb4612
    @shaneb4612 ปีที่แล้ว

    Believe it or not. There is a law in Aus that every bar or pub or club has to have a hitching post (to tie up horses). If they have no post the person in charge has to go out and hold your horse until you are done. Which leads to being caught for drink driving on a horse. Yes, drink driving on a horse. a few years ago, a person got charged for drink driving on a ride-on lawnmower.

  • @delli6201
    @delli6201 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What she meant about refusing the payments in coins. Is if your totally is say $5.00 and you want to pay it in all 20/10/5 or in 50 cent coins they can refuse it.