I actually love the fact that i can buy everything in the game because i can sell my items for the premium currency (and not pay 40 € for a repair tent like bdo), it reminds me of warframe trading system
Same! Meanwhile people are shitting on this game because of the auction house calling it p2w trash while WoW does the same and it's a subscription MMO. I correct myself, wow doesn't do the same it's worse cause you can't sell stuff for premium currency, you can only buy WoW tokens with gold and sell tokens for gold
@@Atljeepboy You can, and it uses the same character creator every time, but you'll need to buy an "Appearance Change Token", which costs premium currency, sadly.
I do, actually! I think the biggest reason is lighting. BDO just does lighting better without a doubt. Plus, BDO's camera follows the character closer and at a lower angle, so the lighting effects are even more visible. T&L isn't that far behind or anything and you can definitely match BDO with some effort if you're taking photos, but when you're just playing normally, day-in day-out, BDO's really, really hard to beat imo.
naah visuals in bdo are just worse :) What bdo has going for it is the combat system everything else is meh but visuals are pretty subjective, i know i was awed by T&L it looks that good ( i play on a big 4k monitor it looks waaaay better than BDO ) the gameplay is so so though... I will try it and see
the p2w here works literally like WoW token. The difference is that you need to convert your gold into premium currency to buy stuff from the auction house. is that correct?
You actually can't convert directly from gold into lucent (the premium currency). You can only obtain lucent as a F2P player by selling items for lucent in the marketplace. This is why you *can* survive well as a F2P player, but this is also why it's undeniably pay-to-win since you can just avoid the grind!
no its not like wow token, lucent in throne works like you can buy lucent with real money if you want, OR you can just farm / drop various items in-game as a f2p player and then sell those on the auction house, spending more, so called whaling, doesnt mean that you will be the strongest at all, you can have some items earlier if some people decide to sell it but thats about it, even the new ingame systems for making your character stronger that they have in korea was changed so its not p2w as the people didnt like it, and koreans are the ones who literally like p2w games and still people that are f2p in korea are on the same level as people who spent money, rank 1 in pvp was a f2p player
@@ketsandhisgames you really can't even skip the grind fully because the game works on a milestone system. so best in slot items wont hit the game for quite some time.
Nothing concrete enough to say if it'll be good or bad. It *could* be great with lots of variety, but it could very easily also be super limited and restrictively uncreative. Hopefully, we'll get a proper look at it soon!
I think visually the game looks appealing with a beautiful looking world. Besides that I do not see the added value of T&L. What does the game offer that previously released MMORPGs do not ? I think this is the problem with most recently released MMORPGs, it feels like this genre is constrained from evolving. BDO was release like a decade ago yet it outshines T&L in pretty much every aspect. I would still give it a go once released for sure. (Great Video btw)
Aperently that action house system won't Carry over to global but to be fair all MMOs has p2w to a extent like wow and ffxiv has lvl boost and Story skip or wow has wow token's etc but I don't mind battle pass because you can't expect a game to be 100% if a MMO would be 100% the game wouldn't Last a month since it cost alot to maintain a MMO some cost 100k$ a day some more so they need some income from the game to be able to maintain it but if I could chose I would prefer the game to go p2p like a sub base system like wow and ffxiv for example but ether way battle pass isent expensive
@@XeqtrM1 That's fair too, but I think they could've made the battlepass entirely cosmetic and done pretty well too. That's what games like Once Human do. I do agree with you though, P2P without microtransactions or cosmetic microtransactions would've been way better!
@@ketsandhisgames Once Human does an amazing job keeping it F2p. There is zero p2w mechanics i've seen at all in this game. I do hope Throne and Liberty tries to go the path of Once human
Almost forgot about this about FFXIV aswell is considered p2w aswell beside lvl boost and Story skip so if you pay only for sub you get 2 retainers but if you pay extra you can get up to 8 retainers extra or so and how is that p2w simple alot more extra storage and you can send retainers to get materials and even exclusive items only retainer can get so Have more retainers will make you richer in the game and do things faster so you still can get more benefits if you pay more than just the subs oh and you have retainer level boost aswell
Haha I think you misheard cus I said it a little too fast, my bad! The skills are more action based *than* something like WoW or FFXIV. Those two are kinda of the poster children for tab-targeting, after all!
Dude, I guess you have never heard of Dragon's Dogma 2, or it's character creator. Because IT IS the best, like way above any other. Check it out, cuz obviously, you haven't 😂
@@R.Mcarthur Haha that's a bit harsh. I pretty much said as much in the video itself, and only recommended playing it *if* the global release is significantly less P2W.
@@ketsandhisgames its time for us to draw a line in the sand. if we as gamers want the genre to advance we need to vote with our wallets. Studios that pull this shit need to be punished. harshly. Companies need to make money and put food on the tables but treating videogamers like casino patrons has to stop and if they arnt interesed in selling us a product we actually want to buy they should go out of business. T&L is a perfect example of how to take a viable product and enshitify it.
I actually love the fact that i can buy everything in the game because i can sell my items for the premium currency (and not pay 40 € for a repair tent like bdo), it reminds me of warframe trading system
Same! Meanwhile people are shitting on this game because of the auction house calling it p2w trash while WoW does the same and it's a subscription MMO.
I correct myself, wow doesn't do the same it's worse cause you can't sell stuff for premium currency, you can only buy WoW tokens with gold and sell tokens for gold
@@OMGitsZenius People will simp for WoW due to nostalgia, all it is.
Can you edit your character after you are in the game, after the fact? If you can, do you use the same character creator editor?
@@Atljeepboy You can, and it uses the same character creator every time, but you'll need to buy an "Appearance Change Token", which costs premium currency, sadly.
@@ketsandhisgames is that lucent or sollent?
@@Atljeepboy That'd be Lucent, the one you buy with real money.
@@ketsandhisgames OK cool, with my EA Package i get some Lucent anyway
@@Atljeepboy Good deal!
Gw2 combat is best combat
I am just wondering do you actually like the visuals of bdo better than TL? I ve heard this from many people but I just cant wrap my head around it
I do, actually! I think the biggest reason is lighting. BDO just does lighting better without a doubt. Plus, BDO's camera follows the character closer and at a lower angle, so the lighting effects are even more visible. T&L isn't that far behind or anything and you can definitely match BDO with some effort if you're taking photos, but when you're just playing normally, day-in day-out, BDO's really, really hard to beat imo.
naah visuals in bdo are just worse :) What bdo has going for it is the combat system everything else is meh but visuals are pretty subjective, i know i was awed by T&L it looks that good ( i play on a big 4k monitor it looks waaaay better than BDO ) the gameplay is so so though... I will try it and see
@@Fuz2yman For sure, if you like how T&L looks, never let me or any TH-camr convince you otherwise cus it is genuinely a beautiful game!
@@ketsandhisgames i did overstate it with the waay better, but maybe i just played bdo too much and am tired of it's visuals heh
the p2w here works literally like WoW token. The difference is that you need to convert your gold into premium currency to buy stuff from the auction house.
is that correct?
You actually can't convert directly from gold into lucent (the premium currency). You can only obtain lucent as a F2P player by selling items for lucent in the marketplace.
This is why you *can* survive well as a F2P player, but this is also why it's undeniably pay-to-win since you can just avoid the grind!
@@ketsandhisgameson the bright side you can just sell other items in the AH for lucent and buy the gear you want with it
no its not like wow token, lucent in throne works like you can buy lucent with real money if you want, OR you can just farm / drop various items in-game as a f2p player and then sell those on the auction house, spending more, so called whaling, doesnt mean that you will be the strongest at all, you can have some items earlier if some people decide to sell it but thats about it, even the new ingame systems for making your character stronger that they have in korea was changed so its not p2w as the people didnt like it, and koreans are the ones who literally like p2w games and still people that are f2p in korea are on the same level as people who spent money, rank 1 in pvp was a f2p player
@@ketsandhisgames you really can't even skip the grind fully because the game works on a milestone system. so best in slot items wont hit the game for quite some time.
Any news on player housing?
Nothing concrete enough to say if it'll be good or bad. It *could* be great with lots of variety, but it could very easily also be super limited and restrictively uncreative. Hopefully, we'll get a proper look at it soon!
its on roadmap q and a that just came out
i will give it a try .
The meh feeling is exactly how I felt.
The photo character creator is pretty good is gets really close to the photo , after a few changes ull have that face
5 days early access means the 26th not the 27th quick maths
@@novastorm980 Oops haha my Steam says 27th, though now that you mention it, it might be a timezone thing!
@@ketsandhisgames yeah the timezone thing can be a bugger lol
Great presentation, thank you sir.
Thank you, I'm glad you liked it!
"LEAST PAY TO WIN"? even 0.0000000001% advantage on the game whale will push all of their luck.
I think visually the game looks appealing with a beautiful looking world. Besides that I do not see the added value of T&L. What does the game offer that previously released MMORPGs do not ? I think this is the problem with most recently released MMORPGs, it feels like this genre is constrained from evolving. BDO was release like a decade ago yet it outshines T&L in pretty much every aspect. I would still give it a go once released for sure. (Great Video btw)
Id be happy if they removed the battlepass bruh
Aperently that action house system won't Carry over to global but to be fair all MMOs has p2w to a extent like wow and ffxiv has lvl boost and Story skip or wow has wow token's etc but I don't mind battle pass because you can't expect a game to be 100% if a MMO would be 100% the game wouldn't Last a month since it cost alot to maintain a MMO some cost 100k$ a day some more so they need some income from the game to be able to maintain it but if I could chose I would prefer the game to go p2p like a sub base system like wow and ffxiv for example but ether way battle pass isent expensive
@@XeqtrM1 That's fair too, but I think they could've made the battlepass entirely cosmetic and done pretty well too. That's what games like Once Human do.
I do agree with you though, P2P without microtransactions or cosmetic microtransactions would've been way better!
@@ketsandhisgames Once Human does an amazing job keeping it F2p. There is zero p2w mechanics i've seen at all in this game. I do hope Throne and Liberty tries to go the path of Once human
Almost forgot about this about FFXIV aswell is considered p2w aswell beside lvl boost and Story skip so if you pay only for sub you get 2 retainers but if you pay extra you can get up to 8 retainers extra or so and how is that p2w simple alot more extra storage and you can send retainers to get materials and even exclusive items only retainer can get so Have more retainers will make you richer in the game and do things faster so you still can get more benefits if you pay more than just the subs oh and you have retainer level boost aswell
Action based more like WoW or FFXIV? Really? Guild Wars 2 is screaming!
Haha I think you misheard cus I said it a little too fast, my bad! The skills are more action based *than* something like WoW or FFXIV. Those two are kinda of the poster children for tab-targeting, after all!
Dude, I guess you have never heard of Dragon's Dogma 2, or it's character creator. Because IT IS the best, like way above any other. Check it out, cuz obviously, you haven't 😂
@@stanislavboianov3356 Haha yeah DD2 is crazy for sure but it's not an MMO so I wouldn't really compare it.
@@ketsandhisgames you got that Right, my bad actually ;)
Nioh is way better
Tried the game and after 3 hours I uninstalled it, it is cringe to say the least and is aimed at 12-14 year old boys for sure.
No. Failed in Korea already and will fail in the west also. As every Themepark MMO in the last years.
No. It's pay to win nonsense. Shame on you for plugging this crap.
@@R.Mcarthur Haha that's a bit harsh. I pretty much said as much in the video itself, and only recommended playing it *if* the global release is significantly less P2W.
@@ketsandhisgames its time for us to draw a line in the sand. if we as gamers want the genre to advance we need to vote with our wallets. Studios that pull this shit need to be punished. harshly.
Companies need to make money and put food on the tables but treating videogamers like casino patrons has to stop and if they arnt interesed in selling us a product we actually want to buy they should go out of business.
T&L is a perfect example of how to take a viable product and enshitify it.
I will do 2 weeks until new world aeturnum releases after both beta I like it better