This video was perfect for me . I just recieved my 280ah lishen cells from basin today and didnt realize what i ordered . But im happy my lishen cells have perfect 3.278 voltage each cell but waranty is only 5 years
052921/2042h PST 🇺🇸 Thank you for the demo. There are triple differences between the two cells and one common mistake with them both. They are :- 1) EVE cell is 280A 2) Lishen cell is 272A 3) Colour variation (you spotted, thanks) Common issue:- The Positive terminal isolating material colour is BLACK and the Negative terminal isolation material BIEGE ! Universally, the POSITIVE has always been indicated as RED and the NEGATIVE , BLACK. I made a grave mistake twice by connecting negative power supply cable to BLACK terminal and the positive cable to ‘Beige?’ terminal, and learned the mistake by toasting one VICTRON 12Vdc/25A and VANKTEK KPS3010DF, power supplies. Of course, there’s a feeble and microscopic, positive indication in black, on black dielectric material and beige Negative indication on beige dielectric material. But......black for positive? Could be the reason for one Heavenly body came plunging down into Indian Ocean? Aw well....
Great question. I couldn't find exact thread depth information on the datasheets (although I could have missed it so please chime in if you can). I'm not in front of the cells right now, but I can get a measurements by this weekend. That said, they both look identical in terms of thread depth and are functionally about the same, around 1 cm.
In both this video and your follow up video you mention that the terminals are different, but in neither video do you say how (in the follow up you say the Eve cells are M6 with 6mm depth, but no mention of the specs of the Lishen cells).
@@HiltonT69 I was just remarking how the terminals actually look different, i.e., how the terminals on the Lishen have plastic squares around them, while the Eve have more of a tear drop. The actual metal terminal portion though is identical as far as I can tell. Both use M6 screws, the circular conductor on top appears to be identical in size, and they appear to be the same depth. So there is a stylistic difference, but the actual functioning terminal is identical as far as I can see.
If you have both batteries it would be nice if you could just check how much depth of penetration with a threaded stud. Since strength of threads is a weakness on these aluminum terminals I would personally choose the manufacturer with deeper terminal threading, and use a fully inserted threaded post with a tightening washer/nut vs. just threaded screws. Stackup with variable bus-bar/cable-lug thickness, BMS sense lug thickness, and washer, a screw could end up with limited thread penetration making stripping threads more likely. I think the torque spec is like 5 ft-lbs but that likely assumes a good thread penetration depth.
Sorry about that. The terminals themselves are identical insofar as the conducing portions of the cells are the same size and take the same size screw or bolt. If you want a careful look at the differences in the plastic mounting around the terminals though, the links in the descriptions have good pictures.
So they are both *rated* as 280 ah. What you actually get may vary, but I've posted a video of a Lishen capacity test, and I will follow with an Eve capacity test.
This video was perfect for me . I just recieved my 280ah lishen cells from basin today and didnt realize what i ordered . But im happy my lishen cells have perfect 3.278 voltage each cell but waranty is only 5 years
052921/2042h PST 🇺🇸 Thank you for the demo. There are triple differences between the two cells and one common mistake with them both. They are :-
1) EVE cell is 280A
2) Lishen cell is 272A
3) Colour variation (you spotted, thanks)
Common issue:-
The Positive terminal isolating material colour is BLACK and the Negative terminal isolation material BIEGE !
Universally, the POSITIVE has always been indicated as RED and the NEGATIVE , BLACK. I made a grave mistake twice by connecting negative power supply cable to BLACK terminal and the positive cable to ‘Beige?’ terminal, and learned the mistake by toasting one VICTRON 12Vdc/25A and VANKTEK KPS3010DF, power supplies. Of course, there’s a feeble and microscopic, positive indication in black, on black dielectric material and beige Negative indication on beige dielectric material. But......black for positive?
Could be the reason for one Heavenly body came plunging down into Indian Ocean? Aw well....
Keep up the good work bro
Do they both have the same thread depth?
Great question. I couldn't find exact thread depth information on the datasheets (although I could have missed it so please chime in if you can). I'm not in front of the cells right now, but I can get a measurements by this weekend. That said, they both look identical in terms of thread depth and are functionally about the same, around 1 cm.
In both this video and your follow up video you mention that the terminals are different, but in neither video do you say how (in the follow up you say the Eve cells are M6 with 6mm depth, but no mention of the specs of the Lishen cells).
@@HiltonT69 I was just remarking how the terminals actually look different, i.e., how the terminals on the Lishen have plastic squares around them, while the Eve have more of a tear drop. The actual metal terminal portion though is identical as far as I can tell. Both use M6 screws, the circular conductor on top appears to be identical in size, and they appear to be the same depth. So there is a stylistic difference, but the actual functioning terminal is identical as far as I can see.
If you have both batteries it would be nice if you could just check how much depth of penetration with a threaded stud. Since strength of threads is a weakness on these aluminum terminals I would personally choose the manufacturer with deeper terminal threading, and use a fully inserted threaded post with a tightening washer/nut vs. just threaded screws. Stackup with variable bus-bar/cable-lug thickness, BMS sense lug thickness, and washer, a screw could end up with limited thread penetration making stripping threads more likely.
I think the torque spec is like 5 ft-lbs but that likely assumes a good thread penetration depth.
Can you make a comparison between them with the technical specifications?
Definitely! Good idea.
hey, here it is: th-cam.com/video/Gtk_LPwBkng/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=TheWilltoBuild
Let me know if I missed anything.
You never showed a good shot of the terminals to see what the difference was on top.
Sorry about that. The terminals themselves are identical insofar as the conducing portions of the cells are the same size and take the same size screw or bolt. If you want a careful look at the differences in the plastic mounting around the terminals though, the links in the descriptions have good pictures.
These are both a tualy grade B. Cells , grade A has different terminals.
im doing a 24v battery out of this can i run a 100 amp BMS out of 8 battery's per BMS or 16 per BMS.?
For 24v you definitely want to eight in series, with a BMS that is designed for eight.
Btwa are these exactly 280 amps?
So they are both *rated* as 280 ah. What you actually get may vary, but I've posted a video of a Lishen capacity test, and I will follow with an Eve capacity test.
@@TheWilltoBuild ah okay thanks. I'll watch that
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