How to Get INCREDIBLE Growth on New Moringa Trees!
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- Moringa trees are truly incredible. They have amazing health benefits for the human body, increase soil fertility and can be the foundation for productive animal fodder systems. The question is, what is the best way to start them in desert environments? Today we show you how our direct seed and transplanted trees are faring with one far out performing the other!
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I have Moringa trees in my backyard. We dry and powder it for our own use. What a great "Miracle Tree"
Take care
❤Peggy❤
They really are amazing trees. We're looking forward to finally having green powder for our smoothies again after this season!
Root disturbance is no doubt a factor in Moringa tree growth differences. But it may be even more fundamental than that. Those directly down seeds will have developed in tandem with your soil's pre-existing micorrhizal fungi which is so often key to success. The various types of micorrhizal fungi form symbiotic relationships with the flora; without them, you've got dead soil. Scientists have been warning for some years now that the tilling of the soil, artificial fertiliser and pesticide usage is killing off the soil organisms and that we only have approximately 50 harvests left before our soil's are toast. In other words, modern factory farming methods; it's why permaculture/regenerative farming is crucial to continued food security.
That seems to go along with what we're seeing with these trees. The transplants are making a comeback, but you can just tell the vigor is just not there like we're seeing with these direct seeded trees.
Hi.
Moringga trees can also be propagated by cuttings. I mean tree " trunk" cuttings but not the small twig branches. Here in the philippines, we rarey plant it from seeds. Often it is propagated with cuttings. Just need a mature, as big as your arm size of cutting about 2 -3 feet long and just directly stick in to the ground. In a week or 3 you will have those fresh shoots all over the branch. And in a year, the branch will grow as big as your thighs. In your place in Arizona heat, maybe adding shade will do for a couple of weeks will do just to avoid the cutting to dry up fast.
Hey there Mekamie, thanks for the notes on this. We have a neighbor a few miles away that is having success with cuttings much like you're describing here. I believe he has a purple variety that he's trying, so maybe we get a cutting or two from him one of these days!!
Supposedly the tap root doesn't develop properly from cuttings. I would only ever start from seed. I guess if you wanted to plant it temporarily cuttings might be superior.
Incredible growth on those moringas from seed! That was an interesting experiment, well done.
We have been very impressed with how well those are doing. The one we featured here was the largest of the seed starts, but the smallest of those is maybe a foot smaller and still a much larger caliper on the trunk than any of the transplants.
Excellent video. Moringa trees, turkeys, chicken, ducks geese, goats and sugarcane, growing faster, God willing, your farm will best revenue generating in future. Ms. Lori is working very hard
Thank you so much Abid, glad you enjoyed the video!
My filipina wife uses the Moringa leaves in some of her native dishes. A Moringa Chicken soup is really good.
Ooh, Cody that does sound very good. We usually clear the remaining leaves before pruning in the Fall, so perfect timing for some chicken soup!
Hi Lori, Hi Duane. This has been a very lovely video covering many things that I have been wishing to see more of , eg. the pigs rooting about in the soil and the bit about the Moringa trees. I'd like to see how the ducks are coping with your set-up there and how the gray-water replacement has been functioning. Bye for now.
I'm really glad you enjoyed this one Carolle. We'll need to do an episode specifically on the livestock and how all the systems are faring. The ducks seem to be doing well. In fact, they tend to be the least stressed of all the animals on the farm during our hottest days!
Just a suggestion, you can feed your kitchen left over food with mixing some water in it for the thin one(pig).they like left over food alot.it could be any vegetarian left over from kitchen like cooked food or vegetable peels or soups too. Once he has liquid food he will pick up a good food habit from there onwards.
Those are great suggestions Praveen.
Thanks for the update. We started some seeds indoors a few weeks after you planted your seeds directly in the ground. We've transplanted to larger pots, but have not seen nearly the amount of growth that your in ground trees have. Time to change our approach.
Hey Jacob. We've transplanted in the past with varying success and we also lost a mature transplanted tree to some 20 degree temps we saw a few years back. We're hopeful for not only this strong initial growth, but also the stamina to push through any harsh winters we see in the future.
We're all learning this stuff here, so eventually we'll get this down!
Thanks for the update.
Sorry Duane, but I must say that Lori looks great in that hat. Very flattering.
I could not agree more Allan. She's a doll and that ballcap is very flattering on her!
Enjoyed your video and this morning it was delightful to see the animals while I had breakfast! I love what you are doing😊🦋
I'm glad you enjoyed this one and we could be a part of the beginning of your day! 😊
so glad for your many successes! i have hope to grow moringa in northern AZ, even if it's just for the summer. zone 7ish. thanks so much for sharing your moringa test. the piglet might be teething, and hard crunchies may hurt. that's probably why he created his solution, crunchy soup. those turkey babies really like you Mr. D.
I think you have a solid plan for growing your moringa during the summer months. You may also have some success with a large potted tree, but it won't produce like in ground trees will.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm I too want to try and grow them in the high desert.
I’ve experimented with Moringa transplants vs directly seeded and cutting propagation. I found that direct seeded Moringa trees are healthier and grow faster and stronger. Thank you for sharing.
Hey there Daniel, I'm glad to hear it's done well for you also.
How have yours done with the cold? I know you're in the city, so a little warmer than us, but I'm curious as to whether or not the problem we had losing our old tree was because it was transplanted vs direct seeded. My theory is it may not have developed as strong a root system because of it.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm two that I transplanted died down to the ground but came back, one propagated branch just died but the four we direct seeded have had no issues.
@@danielfisch655 ok, so the challenge for us all will be those very cold Winters we get from time to time!
Great content about the moringa tree. Thank you!!
Glad you enjoyed this one!
Have you ever considered planting date palms on your property? They are one of the classic desert fruiting trees and actually require very hot temperatures to make the fruit ripen well :)
Great question. We have considered it, but have decided not to at this time due to neither of us liking dates.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Some of your animals might appreciate the dates, which would make them a nice sustainable forage even if the two of you don't eat them.
@@NezumiWorks excellent point, we hadn't considered that!
@@NezumiWorks Excellent point!
I actually dug up a horrible mulberry tree... the fruit was not sweet... instead of throwing it away I planted it in the chook pen for shade but they can forage on the fruit and the tree itself will be pruned and the branches mulched... I am also thinking it can be left unnetted for the birds and they might leave the new replacement tree alone!
Such excellent information, we need some moringa for our property, and some to share. After watching this I will be direct planting, even the dwarfs at home.
Glad you enjoyed this one and found it useful John. Direct seeding is absolutely the way to go when you can!
I'm very interested in seeing how the shade these moringas provide encourages smaller plants to grow under and around them, which you might consider weeds in the production part of the farm. You'll be needing those other sorts of plants if you're looking to develop a permaculture space and increase fertility in any case.
We're very interested to see how these do as well. We have to water them up front to get them established, but there are folks in the city here who water very little after the first couple of years. Like you're saying, if we can establish these along with some natural desert "pasture" (weeds) it will help with sustaining our soon to be growing goat and sheep herds. Essentially a desert "Silvopasture".
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm On the subject of those goats and sheep, there's a permaculture TH-camr I follow who's in an arid savanna biome in Australia, and he notes that it's too dry there to really establish fungal colonies under wood trash, mulch, and so forth. So the function that fungus would have in developing soil needs to be done in the gut of herbivores instead. So that makes your animals very valuable indeed, particularly the manure they create.
@@NezumiWorks bingo, that's the idea!
Amazing as always ❤
Thank you Luka, glad you enjoyed it!
Beautiful farm! Congratulations ❤ appreciate your moringa tips!
Glad you enjoyed this one!
The farm looking great 👍👍👍!
Thanks Brandon, glad you enjoyed it!
Moringas are looking good!
Hey there Bob!! They have been doing much better than we anticipated. Especially these directed seeded trees!
Just planted carrots radishes and snap pees. Fertilized the trees.
Goodmoring to you both with all my love from Mesa AZ
Hi Valerie, thank you so much for your love!
ThNk you
You're welcome. Glad you found this one useful!
I was just looking if moringa will grow in Wittmann and I see you ARE in Wittmann! What a coincidence! I guess I'll plant some haha
Now is the perfect time to plant those. Direct seed them right into the ground. We just added a few last weekend!
Moringa is so good for chicken soups. Oh, how i miss back home. I wonder if its going to survive during winter.
Sounds fantastic for chicken soup! We have some plans as to how we are going to protect them in the winter, so fingers crossed that they do survive!
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Woohoo!! Congrats on moving onto that property Kylan. Now the real work begins!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm oh man... You're not kidding!!! And thank you!!
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Glad you found this one useful Darlene!
I love your farm!
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*Moringa, native to South East Asia is the sole genus in the flowering plant family Moringaceae. The name is derived from Murungai, the "Tamil" word for drumstick, and the plant is commonly referred to as the drumstick tree.*
Hey Senthil. Thank you for the history lesson on this tree. It sure makes sense it would be derived from the word drumstick. Those seed pods are impressive!
that's a neatest farm I've seen :)
Thank you. We're happy to have it and share what we're doing with everyone here!
Hey you should grow Indian goosberry plant it is very nurturing and best for Arizona climate.. You can also grow by seeds if you can't find tree
Will have to look that one up, haven't heard of it. Thanks for the suggestion!
Thanks Guy's
Hey Kezza! Always good to see you around here. How are you man?
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Hey you two, thanks for asking. Building my fitness level jogging about 3 to 4 km a day walking about the same, need to work on upper body strength though. Interested in your morringa trees, we are just into spring and just starting to warm up, should I get the seeds in the ground now or wait till it gets way into the warm season?
Value your opinion. Pleased to see all is working out for you both.
Kezza
@@kezzatries I'm glad to hear you're on the mend. Something like that takes a long time to recover from.
I'm not sure if you have frost, but as long as there isn't frost in the forecast you're probably ok to plant. They really thrive when temps are well above 80 degrees (F) during the day.
The moringa can practically grow anywhere even from branch cuttings
They really are amazing trees. Not only from the produce, but also the ease with which they can be propagated. You have to love a plant that will do everything it can to grow and produce!
Do you have to/ plan on protecting these for the winter? Wire ring and mulch or leaves seems to work well.
Hey Kellen. The only trees we plan on protecting are the moringa and guava trees. Both of which we'll cover with either burlap or sheets whenever we dip below freezing overnight.
Hi. We love your farm, big fans. Question, how cold does it get on your farm in winter? Will the Moringas be ok there? We are in Mojave and sometime its in 20ies over night but Moringa would be amazing tree for us if it survives winter.
Hey there Lucia, great question. We have hit 20 degrees out here on a few occasions and that has killed one of our mature moringa trees on the old farm. The key is getting them covered before the freezing temps hit. We didn't do that thinking the larger tree would be able to stand up against it. This time around we'll be pruning them back and covering before any frosty nights.
Nice farm.
Thanks!
You can also sell Moringa pods and overgrown leaves. They are very popular as vegetables among asians. Also they are very healthy food specially for diabetes. Dried leaves powder also Lot of people buy for supplements, to control diabetes.
Great suggestions here Praveen. We do plan on having them available for folks to purchase in the future as we have had folks reach out wanting to buy them.
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Have you tried growing sugarcane? Am considering it, here in 8A/B (southern NM)
We do have sugarcane over by our chicken coop/run. This will be the first winter for them, so we are expecting some die back. From what I have read the grow in zones 8-11, so it would be worth a try!
Great video! Why did you put up that screen? thing by the banana tree?
Great question and we probably should have explained that! We were getting some sun damage on the trunk from the late afternoon sun, so that is there to help shade the young banana tree.
I found the same results on the moringa, night and day difference. How much water do you use? I use about 2 gallons a week on them.
Direct seed is definitely the way to go. I can't say for sure how much water these are getting as we're hand watering them with a hose once/week. I imagine it's probably somewhere about the same though. Maybe a bit more.
Wow! I have had hit or miss with Moringa in Lubbock, Texas. Most likely always single season. Those direct seeded trees were phenomenal 😄 Appreciate your video. What month did you sow the seeds?
Crazy to see that growth, huh? We planted these trees in the middle of Summer. I believe it was 4th of July weekend if I'm not mistaken.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm I've started seeds in my house in January trying to get a head start. Still took two seasons to flower. (Overwintered in my greenhouse) Definitely going to try this. Thank you very much!
I was planning to sow moringa seeds this month indoors but I think I'll just sow them straight outdoors. Which variety are you using? I was wondering what temperatures does your farm get down to in the winter. I live in southern Nevada at a high elevation so it gets stupidly hot in the summer but can go down to well below freezing at night in the winter.
I don't know the exact variety as we've been using seeds from another tree we grew on our old property many years ago. We get down into the mid-20's during the Winter and of course very hot during the summer months. I'll link to a video we did here showing how we protect them from those temps;
th-cam.com/video/jU1MW4wzNzo/w-d-xo.html
How do you plant your fruit trees in deep holes or hill method?
Great question. With the moringa trees we planted directly in the soil, but we typically plant them slightly above ground level. I'll post a video we did a while back showing exactly how we plant and irrigate most of our trees;
th-cam.com/video/DfDGWElEu7k/w-d-xo.html
What's the minimum of temperature in your place?
I saw a lot of moringa trees in Cape Verde, and picked up seeds but never used it
The lowest we have gotten here is 20 degrees a few years back. We will have to protect our trees in the winter as we lost one due to the cold and not protecting it.
You might try a supplemental bottle feed for your runt pig as your probably right about him being weaned a few weeks too early; just for another 2-3 weeks. Had he stayed with the sow, she may have continued to feed him until he was able to cope on his own.
Yeah, this little guy started heading South VERY quickly this past week and stopped taking anything. He also would not stand still long enough for us to try and hand feed him. We're going to cover it in the vlog that posts next week, but we had to put him down this past weekend as he was having a hard time walking and refused any food we tried to give him. Rough weekend for everyone.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm So sad but definitely the right thing to do. It's always so hard when we have to ask who are we getting them to hang on for; them or us.
Had to put to sleep our beloved Jess, our 14yr old cat who we'd taken in as rescue after suffering enormous physical, emotional and psychological abuse and neglect at the hands of her owners, our neighbours two doors down. She'd wandered in through the backdoor 12 years previously out of sheer desperation and it took 3 years of rehabilitation to bring to any semblance of being a normal furry monster - which she most (definitely) became. 🤭😋😎
@@pinkelephants1421 it sounds like you understand how this goes. We were holding out hope, bringing him back into the outbuilding and trying to hand feed him only to see him continue to deteriorate. Much like you're saying, I looked at Lori and told her it wasn't fair to keep him here for us.
I'm glad to hear you had all of those years with your fur monster. Time is a precious commodity that can be taken for granted all to easily. Animals, with their shorter lifespans, can really help keep that in perspective for us all.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Thanks. I was a farmer's daughter. Animal welfare was drummed into me and my sister from a very young age. We would have had our hides tanned if we'd been cruel to an animal.
My mornings trees grow after each pruning 3 feet per week! And after 4 weeks they start flowering and Stopp growing so farst. I grow them in a heated greenhouse. But I never had any pods on my trees growing.
Hey Samuel. I'm guessing since you have a heated greenhouse that you're not here in AZ. Where are you growing these trees?
I like it
Glad you enjoyed this one!
How deep do you plant your Moringa seeds? I have one that I started in a pot and two that i bought from Amazon as seedlings. I planted on about an half inch in the pot. Do I do the when I plant directly into the soil?
We always plant directly into the soil as they need that very deep tap root to survive both the summers and winters. As for depth, we plant them about as deep as the seed and they usually sprout in 7-10 days with near 100% success.
With your pigs, have you ever thought about acorn finishing them? If you planted southern live oak trees in rows and waited for then to acorn you could allow the pigs to finish on acorns and market that. Quercus Virginia “Joan leonetti” or Emory oak. Oak silvopasture
The pig manure would fertilize for you every year. You could increase moisture levels and reduce watering by hedging around the entire enclosure as well. Something like Arizona rosewood or potentially Arizona cypress? Food for thought
Great suggestions here Evan. The biggest challenge with finishing pigs for us here in AZ is we have them from Fall through early Spring (September through April), so we're finishing them well after Fall fruiting and before Spring fruiting. That being said, we have finished them on mesquite bean pods in the past and they did like them pretty well. Now, those are falling from the trees in June, but we're kicking around the idea of testing to see if we could put them in dry storage somehow. We would need to do the same with an acorn crop.
What month do you direct plant from seed in Arizona?
We suggest waiting until the monsoon season finally begins. Typically that's in July.
Am really hoping soon you will build your Polyhouse or similar structure to grow fresh vegetables and some herbs.. Please build it am excited for updates
Ah yes, that's definitely on the future plans. We're still working towards some in-ground planting areas for the produce behind this round of pigs, so we'll need to work on that soon!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm till the time you can research for cheap DIY project to make it budget friendly ☺
@@Realatmx bingo!
Just tried this. The Moringa I planted from seed has so much more vigoe than the transplanted one.
Crazy the difference it makes, huh? We won't start them any other way than direct seeding after seeing the difference.
I live in north west AZ at 6100 feet close to the Grand Canyon, can Moringa trees grow at this elevation?
Technically, yes they will grow there, but your Winters will kill them once you get below 30 degrees. You would either have to grow them as annuals or in pots to be taken in when temps get below 30.
The turkey's seem to like the attention.
Hey Taylor! Those turkeys are....well...turkeys!
Do you plant sugarcane for your animal forage too?
We sure do. I'll link to our planting video that we did on that very thing earlier this year.
th-cam.com/video/wsOsKKCEyrU/w-d-xo.html
You can usually see a shot of that sugar cane in our weekly vlogs when we let the chickens out onto pasture as it's growing right next to the run. As for mass plantings for fodder, that's not on the plans as they are VERY water intensive.
Hey you can feed moringa leaves to chicken, turkey any animal they are great source of protein and minerals.. Also thier dry seeds are useful to clean drinking water
Tell us more. Moringa is such an amazing plant.
@@Reciprocity_Soils in Africa they used dry leaf powder to fight malnourishment also it is very cheap food for poultry it's has several medical properties.. It produce beans that are very tasty and delicious.. Staple vegetables in South India... Leave your email address if you need more material would love to share it
Great notes here Vikas. We do plan on using these as livestock fodder here, but I was not aware of the ability to clean drinking water with the seeds. That's truly incredible!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm will try to send you note or material in English to your email.. Let's strengthen sustainable community..
nice farm .. what type of plants are those in your turkey enclosure ?? leaves looks like sugar cane leaves ??
Hey there Lita. That is Sorghum that we've been growing over the summer. It thrives in our heat, so it's our best option for these turkeys to have some green while they're here on the farm. They do look similar to our sugar cane!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Thank you .. first for me .. i looked it up images .. would like to incorporate it my garden here in Florida .. it's a beautiful plant ..
I live in far south Louisiana...2 miles north of the Tobasco plant. My soil is heavy poorly drained & wet....what must I do to grow a Moringa tree ?
Hey there Gene. I think your soil conditions are not going to be a problem. The only issue you'll probably face is similar to ours in that these trees do not do well with frost. If you dip below freezing you'll need to protect the trees during the Winter months. We just posted about that this past weekend, so I'll link that for you here to see what we're doing to protect them from that;
th-cam.com/video/46X-ERBkAik/w-d-xo.html
Where can I buy a Moringa tree ( or seedling )
Hey Jerome. I'm not sure where you can source a moringa start. They don't transplant very well in our experience, so if you have the ability to start them in the ground it's really your best option. The seeds are VERY inexpensive and you can always find them on Amazon.
We have tried everything to protect our young Moringa from mice , rabbits and mystery predators that love the leaves . Come out in morning to find them stripped of leaves . And even chewed off at the ground . We live in anthem AZ area , close to Whitman . What’s frustrating is seeds we have given to neighbors are growing , immune to these attacks. Suggestions please ?
Now this is a real bummer! We have had our fair share of intruders munching on a lot of our trees. For moringa we put these cages around the bottom (usually buried a bit, so things can't crawl under) and then put bird netting over the top to keep everything out until they are larger and can withstand the animal pressure. If it's being chewed to the ground it's probably ground squirrels, rabbits (jack and cottontail) or rats. We have the same issues, but the cage + bird netting works every time.
I have two moringa trees that I've done almost everything wrong with. I started them in small pots where they stayed for a couple of months--forgot them mostly. Put them in bigger pots, finally, and they wintered in an unheated greenhouse. Mostly unheated, they got some warmth whenever I dried clothes. The dryer vented onto a bunch of milk jugs filled with water. Put them in the ground spring of 2021. They had to think for quite a while before they decided to grow. Then, last fall, I finally got the 19 and lots of things didn't happen in a timely manner, so to speak. So--I really thought I'd killed them, they were just dead trunks, looking sad, but I treated them with benign neglect again and voila!! a tiny bit of green appeared at the base of the defunct trunk!!!!! So they have grown, slowly, in my heavy, black clay in central TX through this summer. When it gets cool , verging on cold, this winter, I plan to put a wire cage around them and fill it with pecan leaves. Sooooo, we'll see what happens. If (when?) they produce seed, I'll direct seed some around the chicken pen. BTW, I have abjectly apologized to them, several times, for treating them so poorly...just sayin'.
Your story sounds a lot like our learning curve...on most things! We lost our first moringa tree to a cold snap we had back in 2019. It was a big, beautiful tree, but a few 20 degree mornings and it was toast and never came back. That winter protection will be key for us both!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm 😊
Poultry like to see if predators around, so pastures should always be below their line of sight.
The seeded moringa look great. Are you selling seeds? I'd like to buy some! None of ours bloomed this year, and despite plenty of pollinators, we never get pods. Most of ours are direct seeded and those do best. That's pretty much true of all things. niio, kids!
Hey there Martin. Great call on that pasture. We're trying to keep it whacked back, but the sorghum just outpaces us sometimes!
We can get you some seeds. You've been generous sharing with us, so it's the least we can do. I'm not sure I have your address, so can you email that to me?
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Will do and much thanks. I'll message you on FB.
Do you, by chance, sell your Moringa seeds? The ones I got (amazon) didn't germinate, even after soaking 24hrs. Looking for some good seeds to start here in southern NM.
By any chance, is this the Virginia we know in NM? If so, maybe we can give you a bunch when we meet up with you next time.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm I also had this experience - bought seeds on amazon, and they never germinated. Do you sell yours?
@@mimizell1 we have had several folks ask us to, so once the new trees get a chance to set seeds this year we'll see if we can harvest some. Be sure to join our customer email list as that's where we would announce something like that.
I plan to plant moringa seedlings to replace the trees I already have. I'm totally going renovate my farm, and the trees need to be removed and planted in another area.
I'd like to share with you a new tree that's come to my attention recently. It may not be suitable for your environment.
Have you ever heard of Nigerian Bitter Leaf?
I'm experimenting with them and learning about their properties. So far I'm feeling they're on a par with moringa.
Another project I'm excited about is that I'm working with a terracotta clay pot maker. He's working up a few versions of ollas for me. Although we do get an incredible amount of rain here, we still have a dry season, and I attempt to conserve water as a matter of conscience.
Hey Jimlyn. I have not heard of Nigerian Bitter Leaf before. It doesn't sound very appetizing, but the goats would probably like it. They are big fans of bitter plants it seems!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm they're supposed to have health supporting properties, most importantly for animal , (probably for humans also) is that the leaves seem to counter parasites.
HI, can you explain about the fencing type and Cost for the same.
Which fence were you referring to?
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm hi thanks for the reply. We are referring to the Fence which you done to farm. And the partition which you have done of chicken, turke. And pigs. We want to know the cost for the same.Thank you.
@@maheshkumarv5366 all of our fencing, except the chain link fence around the primary pasture, is cattle panel and/or pig panel that we buy from Tractor Supply. The Cattle panel is $29.99 for a 16' panel. The pig panel is $36.99 for a 16' panel. We use t-posts to hold them up. They are usually around $5/post. Fence clips are around $10 for 100. Tie wire to hold the panels together between sections is usually around $10 for several hundred feet. That's about it.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm thank you so much for the information. We are from India (Bangalore). If possible can exchange seeds of exotic fruits and vegetables.. thank you...
You might want to direct seed some moringa from different sources, just for genetic variability.
Excellent suggestion John. We met with some friends of ours over the weekend and they have a few different varieties they are growing from cuttings. They said they would gift us some seeds once the pods are mature, so hopefully we'll get a few to take!
Moringa is a drought tolerant plant that will do well with minimal water and fertilizer, but of course it likes it 😃
Grows everywhere in the Philippines even on sidewalks and alleyways.
It will probably take over your farm if you plant the seedlings on the edges where water is scarce.
Now that would be something to see this growing everywhere!
I bought my seeds from a local shop on Etsy.
Which local shop?
Solid choice.
If more people did this AZ would be an oasis. I think date trees would do well in that climate
I agree completely Dana. There are more and more of us wanting to do something similar to what we have here, so maybe bit by bit it will happen!
would you be willing to sell a few of the moringa seeds? I am also in Az, near Tucson.
Hey Catherine. We've had several issues in the past with trying to mail cuttings and seeds and it winds up being more hassle than it's worth for everyone. That being said, there are some great options on Amazon when it comes to Moringa seeds for planting and they really have it down when it comes to getting things to everyone smoothly. I'll link to one we suggest for you here;
amzn.to/3sJYDt9
My Thanksgiving Turkey is called Taquito
Oh my goodness, that's great!
so much wildlife on the farm now. not enuf time to show each group. Maybe you have a previous vid, but what is the story on the big turkey that hangs out with the chickens? Leftover from a previous culling?
That is Cuddle Tom. We got our first batch of Heritage Turkeys last year, we processed a couple and sold a few. The remaining were all pardoned and have mostly become pets. We do get eggs and having Cuddle we were able to hatch baby turkeys for others.
I planted a couple moringas by seed in July and they are only 4 inches tall. Have no idea why .
Hey there Dawn. You didn't mention where you're located, but you can see the results we're having here. I'm going to link the video we did on planting them, so you can compare what you're seeing with what we're doing here;
th-cam.com/video/FXfKYpJc_rM/w-d-xo.html
Make a food forest next
That is definitely what we are working on! 😊
Morenga seem to be indestructible fast growing high nutrient trees
Chet, they really are incredible trees for us here in warmer climates. Even where it's cooler they can be kept in pots and brought in for the Winter.
my tree dies to the ground every year in the winter and grows back at least 15 ft each year. I prune it back at least twice in the year at by december, it's still more than 10 ft tall.
Wow, glad you're able to get that growth back from the roots each season!
Do you trim your moringa trees? I have heard people cut them in half when they get to about 10 ft. I just planted a transplanted one into a tall pot because I couldn't make up my mind where I wanted it to grow and it HAD to come out of the small pot. Don't know how to care for it. Your animals always look so very happy and healthy. Guess the huge price rise in livestock feed has to be killing you. I started growing Bermuda grass wherever it will grow on my one acre to help lower the cost of feed for my two horses. They love being out all day roaming my property. And I feed him store-bought pellets just in the evening now.
Hey there June. We do have to prune the moringa back each Fall. Mostly it's to allow us to cover it when we get below freezing to keep it from being killed by the cold. We pollard these, so the trunk is usually kept at about 3' tall to make it easier to protect it from the cold.
We are definitely looking at ways to help with the feed bill. At least for the "non-productive" animals like the goats. The feed costs are all factored in for the production animals in the cost of the produce. I imagine having the ability to only feed at night is making a HUGE difference for you these days!!
The seed pods (we refer to them as drumsticks) can be eaten. They are delicious when cooked in curry. The outer skin (outer layer) is not edible.
Ah yes, we had a visitor to the farm several years ago suggest eating and cooking them like artichokes, so you only eat the inside of the pod and not the skin. They are DELICIOUS!
5:03 Keep him as a pet? 🙃 You're going to have a Moringa farm. I'm waiting for whatever recipes you come up with for that tree.
We're looking forward to the moringa production. Not only for us, but the animals as well!
Just as we thought: it's the tap root with the moringa trees. Hint for future clips: more "turkey TV" (showing turkeys foraging the grass).
Glad you're enjoying that turkey footage Elizabeth. It's a sight to see with those guys going through that tall grass!
Those are happy turkeys.
They do really well on that pasture. Enough room for them to be happy and not attempting to take over the entire farm!
Have you considered growing Neem too?
Hey there Cali. We've had a few folks suggest it, but it isn't on our list of trees to plant as of yet.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm I was just thinking for the oil for bugs. How do you control your bugs
@@calisingh7978 Oh gotcha. We don't have much in the way of bug pressure here on the farm. Most of that is due to our lack of humidity. However, neem oil is something we're considering for a Winter dormancy spray, so that would make sense.
Does cuddletom live on?
Oh yes, he's still alive and well. In fact, you can catch him at 1:30 in this episode here!
When are you guys going to do bees?
Great question Jesse! We still have not decided for sure if we are going to do them. It's not on the plans for anytime soon at least.
Moringga is a good feed for pigs to
We haven't had enough to feed to the pigs yet, but we're hoping that's the case!
I have 5 moringa seed starts with no success after 20 days What could I be doing wrong?
Hmm, that's not a good sign. It might be worth checking the germination rate of your seed stock. Wrapped in a wet paper towel in a ziplock should get some germination after a few days if the seeds are viable. They do prefer things very warm. We have had the most success planting these (direct seed in the ground) after the monsoon starts in early July.
I think I see him when you let chickens out
Ah yes, there you go. That's him right there. He keeps an eye on everyone these days....except for our rooster who takes care of himself!
Are you eating these animals...or is there another use for them on yr farm...?
Hey Katherine, great question. All of our animals have multiple purposes here on the farm. Some we do consume (or sell to customers for consumption), but even they have more than one purpose here on the farm. For example, we have broiler chickens on the farm right now who fertilize our pasture that our laying hens free range on all year. Our laying hens provide eggs and their manure is used to fertilize many of our fruit trees. They also turn kitchen waste into garden bed compost.
just don't keep them in the pots more than 6 weeks and use 8-9" deep tree pots (Direct seed works great too )
That seems reasonable!
Do you have coyotes trying to eat your livestock. We live in Glendale and coyotes kill neighbors pets.
How do you keep your livestock safe all day?
Hey there Lisa, great question. We use a couple different deterrents here on the farm as we have coyotes here every night. The primary thing is keeping everyone (except the pigs, nothing messes with them) locked up each night. We put them up before sundown and they're in enclosures that cannot be breached by dogs. The other thing we do is keep all of them behind fencing that helps to deter any coyotes that may be wandering around in the early morning hours (we almost never see them out during the daytime). We don't free range any of our animals because of that very concern. Eventually we'll have a few livestock guardian dogs that will help to button that all up.
Dang you dont even talk about Moringa until over halfway through the video. But thanks for the info anyways Moringa is great stuff.
Definitely a great option for desert growers.
moringa peregrina will be better in desert
Hmm, I haven't seen that variety before, so thank you for suggesting it!
Really comforting to know I was not the only one who thought caliper was funny, a caliper is used to support a dodgy leg or to measure the diameter of an object or the distance between two points, it is not in it's self a measurement. The trunk of a tree can be described in terms of it's girth or circumference or the diameter of the bole. Please remember the circumference is the measurement around the outside of a circle whilst the diameter is the measurement across the center of a circle and the radius is always half the diameter. Why you may ask is it so important to get terminology correct?????? it is so that every one around the world whether or not they speak English can understand what you are saying. A non English speaker say in China could pick up a Cantonese /English dictionary and work out what you are saying You really don't want to look a fool to the Chinese.
Great point David. I'll link to Wikipedia for everyone here, so they understand why we use the term in reference to a tree's trunk diameter;
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_caliper
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Oh well you learn new slang every day. Strangely not in the Oxford English Dictionary, perhaps very recent slang terminology, certainly not one I grew up with a million years ago.also spelt with two L's . Never mind eh life is far too short.
Hi guys 👋. You came up on my feed awhile back & when desert planting is mentioned, I’m subscribed.
I usually just give a 👍 … im 74 with frontal lobe brain damage.. like a computer with Many viruses 🦠 😢, & it’s hard for me to always comment but have learned much from both of you.
My Question… can I grow maringa (?) trees where I live🤔 . Im zone 5/6 in upper Northern Nevada desert. Weather is similar to yours except VERY minimal rain & snow… but when it does it FREEZES DEEP DOWN , lasting for weeks! Temps are hot… 108-118 cold 32- single digits. Our sand is not hard like yours. Have to dig 4’ to reach hard pan. It’s alkaline & blows in swirls 😢
I have 1.5 acres & have planted about 50 trees… elm trees are very hardy & give me plenty of seedlings which I pot up til big enough to plant . Also a couple others I bought but can’t remember names.
I have a garden & my so built me a greenhouse 😊 we’re all about repurpose/ reuse, cardboard & Woodchips 👍👍. This year I scored big time with a new tree cutter/ chipper 😃
Sorry for rambling lol.
Love your “bloopers “ at the ends. ROFLMAO & almost wet my pants🤪🤪🤪🤪
I will keep learning from you & a few other desert steaders 👵🏻👩🌾❣️
Hey there Dee. Wow, it sounds like you have some very harsh conditions. More so than us actually. The biggest challenge with growing moringa where you're located is that super cold weather. We lost a full size moringa tree when we hit 20 degrees a few years back and that was only for a couple of hours in early morning. Consistent freezing temps and, more importantly, frozen ground, is a death sentence for moringa trees.
What you might want to consider is growing this as an annual "tree/bush". That's what folks do in colder climates. As long as you get that dry heat in the summer you should still get good growth from late Spring through early Fall.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Thank you for the fast reply😉. I’ll give that a try this coming year. Have a great day 🤩. 👵🏻👩🌾❣️
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Glad you enjoyed this one!