Did We Kill Our Moringa Again? | Protecting Moringa Trees From Frost
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- One of the challenges living in the desert are our extreme temperature swings. In the Summer we see temps well above 100 degrees Fahrenheit, but Winters can be equally challenging with temps below 30. The challenge with growing Moringa are those frosty nights in Winter. Today we're showing you how our trees fared with temps below 30 degrees!
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I'm trying to do this in a relatively urban setting in Mesa and I am jealous!!! (I've planted 60 trees in the last 2 years on a half acre backyard.)
That’s good you should start to create your own micro climate in a few years!
Wow, John you are not fooling around my friend!
Damn that seems like alot
I'm in Mesa too, my lot is almost 1/4 acre but the house takes some of it. Planted 28 trees 😁
I have around 1/5 of an acre urban lot with a house and pool on it. I've been squeezing as much as possible into the back yard and will soon be shifting to the front. It will be a lot of work but worth it in the end. Here's to successful urban gardening!
It's all so lovely. How it has developed in just one year. The arial pictures along with the early morning dawning of the light are food for the spirit that leaves one soaring until the next video. 💞
It really is a lovely time of year. Seeing everything come back to life, especially in those early morning hours is really something special that we enjoy sharing.
Hi neighbors! thanks for showing us your Pruned Moringa trees! Im so happy to see the success after a cold, wet and occasionally frosty winter this season! Our 5 year old Moringa tree is stellar and handled the frost as well. Your Moringa row is going to look amazing this growing season. Cheers! 🍷
Hey Aaron! Your moringa trees do look fantastic. We hit 28 degrees this Winter and these muscled through with no issues, so we're hopeful we've gotten them past the worst of it!
Loved the reveal of Moringa trees and happy there is life 💚!! All your animals seem so happy, they are lucky they have you 🥰
We were really happy to see those happy trees under that burlap!
Could you share another update on the Moringas soon? Would love to compare with how mine is doing. Planted from seed last August and it survived 1 winter in Las Vegas but it hasn’t leafed out much yet. Eager to see yours! P.S. I love your channel. ❤
I would also try electroculture from elevated cultivate I hope you seen that amazing help for gardening so you can get even more amazing farm.
I am contacting you because my Moringa after Ian developed dry spots throughout the whole leaves I have pictures, which I never seen before can you give me idea and suggestions what to do and if you seen that before and why is that happening ? My mornings was about 20 feet tall I should of cut her up before storm it’s about 2 years old I believe. I got seeds not very successful to germination so how do you properly germinate Moringa seeds?
Hey there Jana. You mentioned Ian, so I'm assuming you're in Florida somewhere? If so, it may be the humidity that's causing the issues with your tree. Moringa are naturally grown in dry desert environments and we've had problems with trees that get too much irrigation. I can't say for sure, but that may be part of the issue. As for seeds, we simply plant them directly in the ground here and they germinate nearly 100% once the temps are hot enough (usually above 90 degrees).
I am SO impressed with the Moringa trees surviving cold temps with only Burlap! I actually simply grew over 100 Moringa trees but for the 6-7 months where I could harvest leaves and then when it got cold I just let them die... The idea of keeping them alive here in Oregon just didn't really occur to me... Hmmmmm I might try this for a few THANK YOU FOR SHARING!
I think it's definitely worth trying. You didn't mention where you were in Oregon. I (Duane) grew up fishing a few weeks every summer with family in Grants Pass!
I’m getting ready in a couple weeks to overwinter mine for the first time, up here in Queen Creek. Thanks for sharing this!
Hard to believe it's that time of year again, but we'll be doing the same as well. Glad you found this one useful!
I’m shocked you need a mower and edger with goats, etc around. That’s their JOB!
Yeah, we found out pretty quick that the goats are just not interested in the vast majority of the weeds. In fact, we will be using the string trimmer inside their enclosure here shortly! Now, when it dries it's a different story!
What are Moringa trees used for? I look on Wikipedia and it said pods...
Great question Michael. There are a lot of uses for Moringa. We do eat the pods and we also dry and grind the leaves to include as a powder in our smoothies. You can use the flower petals and leaves for tea and the entire tree can be used as livestock fodder. Our goats chow down on all but the thick branches and our pigs eat EVERYTHING including any roots.
Indians and filipinos use the leaves in stews. I saw a video on the seed pod in africa that said it is edible but not healthy to eat. I need to find that video again and see what the negatives were for eating the seeds.
I am wondering how you can protect the moringas from frost as they get taller? I think surely you won't cut them back each year... they get really tall. Is it that as they get bigger, they can resist frost much more than when they are little??
Hey there Sarah. We will actually cut these back to this point each season. They die back naturally with our hard freezes out here in Wittmann, so they will need to be cut back either way. We lost a full grown Moringa to frost a few years ago, so we learned that the hard way.
It's really amazing to see all those weeds everywhere. You guys have really done a number on bringing some vitality to the landscape!
That Vetiver will be interesting to watch. I just had a 'vision' of planting a three-clump triangle in the middle of the chicken pasture so there's a little hidey-hole "jungle" for the birds to run around in, hunting bugs and getting out of the hot sun. 😅
That vetiver will be an interesting addition. We've had several folks suggest trying it to see if we can get it to take in areas we will eventually run livestock.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm I think it will need constant watering for the first two years, or so, until the roots can grow down deep enough to find a steady water source of their own. If you plant it in a large enough patch, be mindful of how it will re-direct rain run-off during your monsoon downpours. Since it doesn't let water through easily, the whole reason people love it for erosion control, the water that does back up behind it during one of your famous rains could "breach" in a direction you don't want and actually cause erosion or flooding issues.
@@threeriversforge1997 great notes on this one. I think we'll start it as a perimeter on one of the enclosures and then transplant from there to see how it does. We're still working on the plan for the "Back 40" and haven't decided for sure how we're going to tackle that.
The Moringa tree is one of the best medicine trees u can have I have been drinking Moringa peels that I made for the last 5 yrs. Good stuff
We are definitely looking forward to moringa harvests again this year!
Moringa are so easy to grow, I have started so many from seed, a couple of gone by the way side, because of frost, but they are so easy to restart, and they grow so fast. I do not worry about the frost.
They really are very easy to start from seed. We've pretty much given up on starting them in pots and just plant seeds now to get them going.
Oh...and one more thing...Duane! Lori is sporting your Edge of Nowhere Farm merchandise very nicely. You need to be doing the same thing! It's called "free advertising." I'm just saying!
Uh, yeah. You are absolutely right!
No-offense but IDK if I could ever use one of those riding mowers, after getting a subcompact my spine/back isn't destroyed & if I scalp some dirt it doesn't break a spindle or bend a blade. Basically they cost as much as two 54in riding mowers & with a loader it's 3 mowers, basically the same price given how many hours the machines will perform without miainence-flaws. Also with batteries I can almost eliminate gas from my property, diesel is the only fuel-can I need on site. Plus gas expires so quickly, you can really notice the old-gas in cans with no-pressure. You could even use a tiny bx1880 to side-discharge mow & save money on back-surgery, they offer a 48in deck.
You make a great point and hind sight being what it is, we probably would not have made the purchase. We bought this right after we moved in and before we had the tractor.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm The 80 series is a few years old so there might be one on a dealer's lot that needs to sale(as the series wasn't production perfect). I'd have a few of them searching just in case you like what they offer. I have the last -1 vin version of the 70 series, the end of that series of production changes.
I've grown Moringa here in Chandler Arizona since 2017 and not killed one of them yet. They have died back from frost but always came back. Plant the seedlings water lightly once a week till its 2 feet tall, then Just leave it alone and it'll be fine. Do not over water or it will die. After my trees are established I don't give the more than a gallon every two weeks in summer. During the winter none at all. A gallon of water per month per tree after they are mature. They will thrive in the summer with very little or none at all.
Glad you're having success with these Steven. We were fine with ours as well until we hit 20 degrees solid out here in Wittmann back in 2019 and it killed a 2 year old tree dead all the way to the roots!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm It has been my experience with Moringa that the roots never die from frost. And two if the Roots are exposed to open air they will freeze. That's why I keep them covered. They only die from root rot or over watering. I did failed to explain that I cut mine to about a foot in hight during the winter and keep them covered during the coldest frost period. And I harvest them consistently every two weeks up till the coldest part of the year to keep them at two feet. When I know it is going to drop below 32° I thoroughly cover them up until the Frost period is completely past. I have had great success. Blessings to you both.
Yeah I wouldn't think they would die here in Phoenix
Mine die down each winter and grown again in spring/summer
A lot of folks do the same in colder climates. We're fortunate here in that we can usually get them through our Winters with just a little bit of protection.
Do you plan to cover the moringas next winter or do you expect they will be established enough to survive future cold temps?
Great question Ryan. For now we plan on doing this same process at least for the next few years. As long as we can cut the trees back to that same spot each year. Eventually we're hopeful we won't need to unless we see low 20 degree temps.
I hope the Vetiver does well for you! If this round does not work, you know where to get more, you can have all you can pull out. LOL! By the way, my Satlap bloomed and has leaves. I guess she heard the threat to pull her out and took it seriously. ;-)
Hey Pam! Thanks for the vetiver starts. We're doing our best to get them going. Glad that Satlap decided you were serious!
Brilliant idea to prune the moringa down and cover with cage. Well done!
We've found it's the best way to get these through our very cold winters!
Spring is definitely beautiful season, everything looks great and can't wait to see the new additions.
It really is an amazing time of year for us here in AZ. Especially with all this rain we've been getting so consistently!
Your farm is looking good!
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Hey Gladimir! Glad to see you here in the comments!!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm I dream of doing what you guys are doing right now.
Maybe heat up some sandbags next time worried about frost
Hmm, sandbags, that's an interesting idea. Had not thought of that!
@Edge of Nowhere Farm yeah there's this thing called sand batteries too but it basically heating up sand bags.
th-cam.com/users/clipUgkxqzHnQypCBQ-GSF-Y2YSVBnRcsUCQxVZA it might be worth trying this in those padocks that are hard dry and bair ground it will do wonder's after rain
I'll check this one out, thank you!
I had two pencil-sized moringas last July as well. I planted one in the ground here in the L.A. foothills and left the other one in a one-gallon pot. It's now 9 months later and they are both... still pencil sized! WTF?!
Hmm, I would have to guess on this one. They don't like a lot of water as they're desert plants and they need very hot temps. I (Duane) am from Gardena and I know it can get pretty warm during the summer, but overall the humidity is much higher than we have here. I could be too much water/humidity.
One other thought. We have found that transplanted trees do not fare as well as trees planted from seed. It may be worth snagging some seeds from Amazon and planting them directly in the soil to see how they do come Summer.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Thanks, Duane. As you know, we've had a very wet winter. The one in the ground dropped ALL of it's little branches (and leaves), but there are little new buds coming out. It's definitely not liking the constant wet and cold. I'm hoping it will take off in the spring! If not, maybe I'll take your advice and get some seeds. Thanks!
My little trees hated hard clay soil. They are doing well now in very loose sandy airy soil.
small note, caliper on trees is measured at breast height - doesn't matter much in this context but its something. Thanks for the video!
Good to know!
Try some cape gooseberry!!
Cape gooseberry, hmm. Haven't considered that one before!
that's amazing that your Moringa is alive. i have seen straw stuffed into the moringa tree rings in the south and NY state with over wintering success. I would love to grow moringa. do you know where I should get seeds?
We were pretty excited to see these survived without having to add any mulch. We hit 28 degrees this past Winter, so that's pretty darn cold for us.
You can usually find Moringa seed on Amazon that does really well. If we can get these trees to put on plenty of pods we my eventually offer them for sale during our farm tours.
I got seeds 100 for 11$. My usual seller offered 100 for 7 free shipping but no longer. I bought off of etsy.
I have moringa seeds being delivered tomorrow! I was very excited to see your reveal. Thank you for that! I believe the moringa tree is just the perfect plant to replace the lost palo brea trees I had in my front yard (even if I needed to replant them every year). Now I know I may not need to do that.
You're really going to enjoy those Moringa and they do GREAT from seed!
I don't see Amazon shop link in description
I'll link to it for you here;
www.amazon.com/shop/edgeofnowherefarm
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm I see. What do you use the Sudangrass for? The Sorghum
@@elliottjames671 we use that as our primary pasture for our Thanksgiving turkeys. It's about the only thing that survives our hot summers and gives us enough green to feed them.
You guys both rock that heavy machinery!! Lori is a regular pioneer woman!!
Taylor, I (Duane) have to admit I am a VERY lucky man who married WAYYYY above my paygrade. Shh...don't tell Lori.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm, you got that right...but I think she feels the same way.
Wonderful
Glad you enjoyed this one as well!
Hey Duane, Do you mind me asking where you bought your burlap from and were they pre-cut in 6’x’6’ pieces? Thanks!
I get these from work (it's an industrial supply company), but you can also use burlap bags cut down 2 sides to make them flat. They're a little smaller, but they should still do the trick.
Where are you located in Arizona? I am in Mesa and had my Moringa tree for over 10 years but it is not faring well this yeaar. I put the leaves in my smoothies and I am running out. I eat the seeds in the drumsticks after I parboil. I wish I could get some help with my tree. pleaseI feel too much rain is hurting it.
We're just outside of Phoenix (about 15 minutes NW of Surprise), so pretty much the same as you. Actually we're just a bit colder, so we put ours to sleep prior to our first frosts like you're seeing here. That does the trick for us, but they are dormant all Winter long.
Congratulations on your moringa trees. I live in Tucson, Arizona and share similar weather challenges. I’m following your lead and will use your technique to protect my young trees next winter. Thank you for sharing.🌷✨💙
Hey there Barbara! This worked surprisingly well for us this past Winter. We were a little nervous after those few nights down into the 20's, but they muscled through that without any issues.
I was here when they were planted, and they have grown so much in so little time! I have a palo verde tree from seed that I planted about 1 year and a half ago. It’s taller than me~ and in a pot! Great tree and I hope they grow back more!
It's been pretty amazing to see the growth. I can only imagine how happy that little Palo Verde is. If it grows from seed they are VERY strong trees!!
I'm guessing you guys may have gotten some rain. Hopefully without the insane winds some places have seen tho.
Yes, we wound up with right at an inch over about 24 hours. Winds were pretty strong, but we've definitely had much worse!
You have some fig trees like 3 and seeds you want to sell me? I think I'm about start farming northern Az. Also take some moringa seeds.
Hey Elliot. We don't have any fig trees and we're working on seeds, but nothing yet. Your best bet for a solid fig tree grown here in AZ is RSI Growers. That's where we bought most of our trees.
I’m Trying to get some good grass seeds established. I have gamma grass and a bunch of other seeds I’m wanting to acclimate to the arid environment out west. Great video!
Glad you enjoyed this one Colin. We've found Sudangrass does really well for us during the Summer months. It dies back during winter, but comes right back in the Spring.
It seems you can grow many citrus trees in Whittman. But can you grow tomatoes, basil and rosemary there? It's a desert is it not?
Yes, we can and do grow all of those here. The Rosemary is perennial for us and we have it on one of our garden endcaps. Tomato and basil are both grown in the Spring, while tomato can also be grown in the Fall for a very short season.
Hi I planted my moringa seeds too early (March) and none of them have come up. Do you have any more I can get ahold of? I'm in southeastern arizona usa...
We purchased our first seeds from Amazon and that is where all of our originated from. I can link to one here that should do well for you;
amzn.to/3AznljV
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm great thanks!
I have 28 acers of grass land in new mexico. Gonna plant a forest and move there in the summer.
Wow, 28 acres is a solid spread of land!
Excellent video. learn about Moringa trees
Glad you enjoyed this one Abid. Still waiting for the Jujube to come out of dormancy!
First of all I want to thank you for the watering system idea (the bubblers inside PVC pipes), now our figs, mulberries, citruses, almond and grapes are doing great thanks to you.
and also I have a question, which time of the year is best to plant peache, apricot, loquat and pecan seedlings (in Phoenix)?
I planted seedlings mentioned above in the mid November and they are either dead or dormant yet, I'm not sure, so was it a good time or it's better to do it in February?
Hey Khaled. Glad that irrigation design is working well for you.
As for planting season, the best time for most of those trees is Fall - Spring. The exception is Loquat. The best time to plant those trees is the month of October in our experience. It is possible that your trees are dormant, but loquats are evergreen, so they should not look dead at any time of year. Your best bet at this point is to do a scratch test on the bark to see if there is green underneath. If not, they didn't make it.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm thanks for the advice, I’ll do the test 👍🏻
What is vetever (so)? Looks kind of like lemon grass
Good eye. It's a bunch grass very similar to lemon grass. It's very drought tolerant once established and is typically used for erosion control, so we have our eyes on using this to help capture rain water during the monsoon season.
I would like to know what zone you're in,am in zone 7 ,you guys looks awesome together look very kool,and comfortable make everything look great, thanks for sharing.
We're in 9b, but we hit 20 degrees solid from time to time. Zone 7 will probably need some additional protection I imagine.
Thank you for responding to my question, have a wonderful evening.
looking good guys..great job on the moringa.
Thanks James. It was great to see those green trunks after removing that burlap!
I read that nothing will touch that grass.
Hmm, well we haven't planted it yet so we may have to test it first!
What a lovely farm you have here in Az, do you sell the fruit that you grow? I would love to purchase peaches when in season.
Hey there! We do plan on offering fruit as early as this year depending on production. We market everything direct through our customer email list. You can join that through our website that I'll link for you here;
www.edgeofnowherefarm.com/
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Thankyou , I joined
i am debating doing this for winter
It has done a great job of protecting our trees for the last couple of years. Last year we made it down into the 20s and they muscled right through it.
Always good to see the farms progress 🤘🏽
Glad you enjoyed this one!
What do you use moringa for?
We use them for both the dried leaves and also the "drumsticks" (seed pods). The leaves go in smoothies and the drumsticks we steam and eat like artichokes.
Y’all should make merch
Great suggestion and we're working on that!
Is there a video on tips and tricks for managing all the animals and garden. I cant seem to get anything going without them getting into it.
We haven't done one specifically on all the pests, but our major issues here are rabbits, ground squirrels, birds and quail. For us it's a matter of keeping everything covered until it can hold up to the critters. Is there anything specific that you're combating? Garden beds?
@EdgeofNowhereFarm thank you for the reply. We have been struggling with several different small wild animals like rabbits, chipmunks, and desert mice. As well as our chickens. This weekend I'm making a couple block raised beds like yours and was planning to surround them with hardware cloth. Just wondering if there was a specific video you've made that could be helpful with any other tips or tricks.
@@MrCard031584 ah, ok. We did include that in our videos on making the raised beds. I'll link to one of them for you here;
th-cam.com/video/ORwIhkpsjWA/w-d-xo.html
Happy your moringas made it through the winter. Everything looking great as usual. I would plant the vetiver in the ground as the roots go really deep.
Hey there Rana! We're still trying to figure out where we want the vetiver, but you're right. The best place for them would definitely be in the ground!
Tree that's a stick😆
Yeah, they are pretty much all sticks right now!
My friend said plant marigolds and nasturtium with your squash to repel the squash bugs. I'm going to try it this season.
Thank you for the suggestion Michelle, will definitely try this!
It is so great to have wonderful people like you growing a very beautiful & productive farm. What a great life!
Thanks Robert. I'm glad you're enjoying the content and we agree, we are blessed beyond what we deserve!
I have been following your channel since we started our small backyard garden in Tucson.
Very cool, glad you are enjoying the videos. Congratulations on your backyard garden!
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Glad you enjoyed it!
Congratulations on the moringa recovery. Mine should sprout from the roots this summer. The seeds need to be planted ASAP, but there's a chance of frost this week. Not good as I dropped some tomatoes in the ground that spent winter on the south side of the house. No blooms on the Golden Dorsett. The lady up the road has one in the yard that's all pink and white with blooms. Hasta, kids!
Hey Martin. This late Winter weather has really been strange. We're used to seeing some frost in early March, but to have a chance of it again this week is simply unheard of around here!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm That is one thing about the climate, it's always changing. We're out of the la Nina (cold, wet winters) but it's lingering. Late Easter, late spring, old-timers always said. Keep praying for the folks in California; when it does warm up, they're in trouble.
Remember to treat the radishes as you do sorghum, each time you cut back a cover crop (like when you mowed the chicken pasture) plants drop a lot of roots, which added a lot of humus to the soil and then regrow. That makes great topsoil.
The pistachio is leafing out! Cherry is in bloom as is the cilantro. Nothing yet on the plum or apple. Hasta, kids!
Wow, you guys have so much to do & keep up on! And during the week.. well hats 👒 off to you Laurie ! Everything is coming along. Still in low 20s at night here in nw Nevada desert 🥴. I miss the 🌞 and 🩴🩴🤩. Have a great day 👵🏻👩🌾❣️
We know just how you feel with this crazy weather we're getting right now. We were still in the low 40's this past weekend and have a chance of frost this week!!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm
🥴🥴. I wish Mother Nature would get past this menopausal business 🤪🤪
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@@deecooper1567 agreed!
hello I read in Italian. I am trying to cultivate moringa here. The temperature goes up to 10 degrees in winter. Are artificial trees wrong? Please answer. Thanks
Ciao. Spero che questa traduzione ti sia venuta bene. Con temperature invernali non inferiori a 10 gradi C, dovresti essere in grado di coltivare la Moringa. I nostri inverni scendono sotto gli 0 gradi C e siamo in grado di mantenerli in vita durante l'inverno.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm grazie