Thank you for this video. It shows beautifully how meta's are actually formed, and reminds us of the eternal combo: New game/patch -> people find out what's good -> people play what's good -> people complain about what's good
@@povertyeditor4898 na most if the time there from salty indeviduals that don't like losing to a certain character. Current dbfz does not need any characters nerfed
Z Broly coming from one of the WORST character in Season 1, starts to gain traction in Season 2 and Season 3 onward, he just keeps GETTING STRONGER!!! I got the privileges to play season 1 Z broly at the WORST state where if you vanish his SA, you got a free combo on him.
Bro I went from getting compliments for playing Z Broly in season 1 to getting hate mail for it in later seasons. I was just playing one of my favorites regardless.
Probably heard this enough times but 21 and Blue Goku and Vegeta weren't DLC, you just had to unlock them via in game achievements. You could forego those achievements by paying.
fun fact dbfz came out on my birthday and I played it day 1 at an anime con that I got tickets to for my birthday arcsys lowkey gave me the best birthday gift ever
Just wanna say how much I love the passion and clear research to making this video. I am a big DBFZ fan and to have all of it's history put in an interesting and well-formatted manner deserves commendation bro. 👏
Bro, your editing and use of DBFZ footage and match breakdowns a on the level of channels with 60k+ subs, keep at it. Subscribed, would like to see how you cover other fighting games and their competitive scenes.
Dude, you can't be using my footage to this degree without asking, that's pretty wack man. I'm not gonna sit here and act like I deserve some kinda medal for putting text on a screen with DBFZ gameplay, but when your lifting entire sections of my videos, my titlecards and edits etc with 0 credit given onscreen, that's not fair. Or things you could of done like putting tier lists on screen, but instead just lifting the footage from my video. realistically, it's not like it would have taken that long (I would know since I did it). It's not like sourcing an article or tournament footage, if my videos were a completely dry regurgitation of information, I wouldn't really be peeved but they're definitely not just that. They are to some degree, transformative. There is at least one instance where the footage of mine being used isn't even relevant to what you're talking about, you're essentially just using it as filler footage. You should have asked, and if you did and I didn't see it (I try to read all of my comments), then you should not have used it. I'm really not the type of person to make a stink about stuff like this but I feel like the reuse in this video is really aggregious, despite it being a good video. If you had at least put credit in the video (which like, you literally did for a few clips in the beginning why not do it for the whole thing) I probably wouldn't have been irritated enough to write this at all. So yeah, don't use content from my videos without asking please.
Been watching moldybagel for a while now and I tried to get into the game when it first came out with the community but it was hard to get into. Glad you made this video.
Very cool video!! Well done!! I don’t play a lot of fighting games myself but loving watching them played by high level players. While I didn’t understand everything you said, it was really interesting listening to your breakdown of all the strategies and changes the game has gone through.
25:00 I find air guard cancelling to be more useful with vanish guard cancel, rather then the regular one. Say for example that you are playing against a Gohan. He forces you to block in the air and then uses legs to staircase you down and use an assist to confirm into pressure. Normally, there's nothing you can do about it, but NOW you can guard cancel vanish to get out (because regular guard cancel would be risky midscreen) It even has utility on snapback situations, since some characters like to use super active moves to make sure you block when you come in. Normally, because of snapback, you'd be locked out of guard cancel, but NOW you can guard cancel vanish, which doesn't require any assist. And being able to do it in the air lets you do it during the opponents special moves, which makes it impossible to punish
Great vid, very informative of the meta from when I was inactive in the earlier seasons and it’s such a shame that Covid continues to rob us of tournaments, thank god for the UK fellas doing that 12v12 because that was godlike. I hope S4 comes with A21 because as much as I hate online I have wayyyy too much love for this game lmao so here’s to the future of DBFZ!!!
Wow this is an awesome video. I've always loved telling my friends the history of DBFZ's meta. It's just so varied and fun to discuss. It's really cool that you made a video dedicated to it.
This meta is easily the strongest meta. Simply cause the fusions have taken over. They make the game alot more easier to play. Where as the other broken things you've mentioned required more skill.
Hard knockdown off of 16's command grab for free mixups was still better than half the shit the Fusions can do now. 16's 5H also used to have similar armour to what Broly has now and could plow through projectiles as well as physical hits. Also this was back when you could loop level 1 supers for crazy amounts of damage off of very simple combo setups. Bardock and Goku Black with a few bard just melted your HP, it kinda made the few characters who had level 5 supers feel way less special when you could spend less bars doing Level 1's over and over to get the same damage. Hate the Fusions all you want in the current meta but they are not the most busted things the game has had.
i came around christmas of 2019 and just hearing about s1 feels like a war crime, quite a incredible video hoping to see dbfz season 4 reinvent the game if it does come out so i can see another one these vids
Very good video! But I noticed that you stated that season three point five was the patch where they made ex moves half a bar, when it was in fact, season three.
You gotta credit MoldyBagel, dude. But pretty good vid overall. Would have like to see SSJ Goku S2 though. He was a pretty important part of the meta back then.
*basically seasons 1-3* huh, looks like Z broly got a little buff, oh well it's not enough really *Z broly gets one more buff* omg he's literally too fricken good wth
It's been 293 days since the last balence. We've had to deal with the fuision and broly for longer then Kid Goku. Plus 21 mid way through. worse then season 2? maybe, at least theres no fuzzys.
As an 17 main, he was always stronger then anybody gave him credit for. He did have stubby normals but that assist is god like. But I'm really surprised that u didn't really mention base vegeta. He was everywhere season 2. Especially with his oki after level 3. And is still really strong. And to this day I still hate z broly more then I ever hated ui or kid goku. But still great video.
Really great video and breakdown of the seasons. Season 2 with GT Goku alone destroyed my enjoyment for the game too the point I was one of those people that wanted him to get nerfed so bad or even ban but now, I’m cool with most of the characters but the fusion characters annoying still
Great video overall, although I wish you would have touched on how ridiculous season 1 bardock was, and how his toolkit influenced how characters released after him were made.
dude citate your source videos in the actual video, not cool to show 90% not your original video without giving the audience any idea whose video it is in the background
Yeah Season 2 was what I would call the dark times of DBFZ. No patch to fix GT Goku, snapback became worse. Big character became worthless at high level. Lowest character variety in the games history. Just not a fun time overall.
@@TheAnimatedGamer I only mentioned max to prove a point on how ez it was to see Bardock being broken. Clayton is a very small part of the game compared to Kazunoko G01 Sonic etc.
You'll prolly never read this but I pre ordered this game for me and my boy who didn't play fighting games he's a lab monster now his main is 21. 21 has always been good it's just no one tried hard enough man can do solo Tods 2m starter to get 3 bar anyways idk y it took years for the community to find out she is good
Too be fair she was okay at the start like ZBroly she got steady buffs over time to be as good as she is now. BluGogeta had terrible frame data on release but they fixed it after a while. Moral of the story is a lot of characters that were okay or meh on release got steady buffs/dodged nerfs to being good or great now.
Thank you for this video. It shows beautifully how meta's are actually formed, and reminds us of the eternal combo:
New game/patch -> people find out what's good -> people play what's good -> people complain about what's good
Nerf beggars are extremely annoying
I’d call it more setplay than a true combo
@@denisn8336 Asking for nerfs is fine as long as it's valid
@@povertyeditor4898 na most if the time there from salty indeviduals that don't like losing to a certain character. Current dbfz does not need any characters nerfed
@@povertyeditor4898 there's always a line between complaints being valid or annoying
Cool video. Wanted to make this myself at some point but it looks like you beat me to the punch 😅 nice job though, seriously
Thank You, idk if I'll do another dbfz vid lol
Got other games to cover with more vid essays coming soon
swagkage plays fighting games?
@Dachpanter not gonna happen bro
So Swagkage still plays this game
You dont even cover fighting games tho?
Great video, extremely well put together. Big ups to MoldyBagel too for like half the footage in the video haha.
word his vids came in clutch i could have gotten footage but it would have taken wayyy longer
Z Broly coming from one of the WORST character in Season 1, starts to gain traction in Season 2 and Season 3 onward, he just keeps GETTING STRONGER!!! I got the privileges to play season 1 Z broly at the WORST state where if you vanish his SA, you got a free combo on him.
He's been telling us for years...
His power is rising...it's overflowing!
His power is now MAXIMUMER
As a day 1 broly main it does put a smile on my face to see those who mocked me for playing him now put him on their teams just to win
Bro I went from getting compliments for playing Z Broly in season 1 to getting hate mail for it in later seasons. I was just playing one of my favorites regardless.
@@GodComplex98 Don't worry, us Z Broly Mains are MONKEYS!!!STRONG!!!! TOGETHER!!!!
Probably heard this enough times but 21 and Blue Goku and Vegeta weren't DLC, you just had to unlock them via in game achievements. You could forego those achievements by paying.
Psuedo DLC I guess lol I didn't know how to call them so I just said dlc cause u technically could pay for them
fun fact dbfz came out on my birthday and I played it day 1 at an anime con that I got tickets to for my birthday
arcsys lowkey gave me the best birthday gift ever
Just wanna say how much I love the passion and clear research to making this video. I am a big DBFZ fan and to have all of it's history put in an interesting and well-formatted manner deserves commendation bro. 👏
What i learned today: Bandai hates Kazunoko
If only dude waited for android 21 to release, we in the new chapter for DBFZs next OP character.
Almost feels like a fever dream of when Goku Black was considered top tier and Kazunoko terrorising with DP>assist call
This is a great video. Really condenses the long saga we've been watching over 4 years into an almost perfect summary.
Bro, your editing and use of DBFZ footage and match breakdowns a on the level of channels with 60k+ subs, keep at it. Subscribed, would like to see how you cover other fighting games and their competitive scenes.
Dude, you can't be using my footage to this degree without asking, that's pretty wack man. I'm not gonna sit here and act like I deserve some kinda medal for putting text on a screen with DBFZ gameplay, but when your lifting entire sections of my videos, my titlecards and edits etc with 0 credit given onscreen, that's not fair. Or things you could of done like putting tier lists on screen, but instead just lifting the footage from my video. realistically, it's not like it would have taken that long (I would know since I did it). It's not like sourcing an article or tournament footage, if my videos were a completely dry regurgitation of information, I wouldn't really be peeved but they're definitely not just that. They are to some degree, transformative. There is at least one instance where the footage of mine being used isn't even relevant to what you're talking about, you're essentially just using it as filler footage.
You should have asked, and if you did and I didn't see it (I try to read all of my comments), then you should not have used it. I'm really not the type of person to make a stink about stuff like this but I feel like the reuse in this video is really aggregious, despite it being a good video. If you had at least put credit in the video (which like, you literally did for a few clips in the beginning why not do it for the whole thing) I probably wouldn't have been irritated enough to write this at all. So yeah, don't use content from my videos without asking please.
I'll take the video down if you want.
@@REDvsFantasy Nah don't take it down man. It's a good video I'm just miffed about the way you used my stuff.
Ok, I'll avoid using your stuff in the future. my apologies
holy shit this video is so well made and entertaining, good job man, im gonna watch the whole thing once i get some free time
Yasha showed the world that Vegito and Gogeta are the goats. Ive been playing them since they were each avaliable
Amazing videos, makes me want to play the game again. And gives me a better understand how successful team building works in this game
Enlightening video, I approve. Only nitpick I have is the change to make EX moves cost only half a bar came with season 3, not 3.5
So glad this was in my recommendations. Always fun to look back on the history of this game
Been watching moldybagel for a while now and I tried to get into the game when it first came out with the community but it was hard to get into.
Glad you made this video.
Bro I can't wait to sit down for this thank you!!!
Very cool video!! Well done!! I don’t play a lot of fighting games myself but loving watching them played by high level players. While I didn’t understand everything you said, it was really interesting listening to your breakdown of all the strategies and changes the game has gone through.
25:00
I find air guard cancelling to be more useful with vanish guard cancel, rather then the regular one.
Say for example that you are playing against a Gohan. He forces you to block in the air and then uses legs to staircase you down and use an assist to confirm into pressure. Normally, there's nothing you can do about it, but NOW you can guard cancel vanish to get out (because regular guard cancel would be risky midscreen)
It even has utility on snapback situations, since some characters like to use super active moves to make sure you block when you come in. Normally, because of snapback, you'd be locked out of guard cancel, but NOW you can guard cancel vanish, which doesn't require any assist. And being able to do it in the air lets you do it during the opponents special moves, which makes it impossible to punish
Earned A New Sub ! My Love For This Game Started On Release And Still Hasn't Ended ! The UI Goku Part Had Me Rolling ! That Damn Level 1 Damage LOL
Incredible effort to make such a long and well put video, keep going that you can make this work.
When a new game comes out I look at who Kazunoko is playing to see who’s gonna be top tier lol
Great vid, very informative of the meta from when I was inactive in the earlier seasons and it’s such a shame that Covid continues to rob us of tournaments, thank god for the UK fellas doing that 12v12 because that was godlike. I hope S4 comes with A21 because as much as I hate online I have wayyyy too much love for this game lmao so here’s to the future of DBFZ!!!
God being part of this community since day one, this brings back both the fever dream nightmare that was season 1 and the dumb fun it was
Hey I got put in a video 😳 Nice video and detailed also 🙏🏾
This video needs 1 million views well done Nicomaki.
This video proves to me that this game is defined by memes, right down to the balance patches.
Wow this is an awesome video. I've always loved telling my friends the history of DBFZ's meta. It's just so varied and fun to discuss. It's really cool that you made a video dedicated to it.
This meta is easily the strongest meta. Simply cause the fusions have taken over. They make the game alot more easier to play. Where as the other broken things you've mentioned required more skill.
Hard knockdown off of 16's command grab for free mixups was still better than half the shit the Fusions can do now. 16's 5H also used to have similar armour to what Broly has now and could plow through projectiles as well as physical hits.
Also this was back when you could loop level 1 supers for crazy amounts of damage off of very simple combo setups. Bardock and Goku Black with a few bard just melted your HP, it kinda made the few characters who had level 5 supers feel way less special when you could spend less bars doing Level 1's over and over to get the same damage. Hate the Fusions all you want in the current meta but they are not the most busted things the game has had.
Been watching this game religiously since the beta and I still tune in to weeklies. Really great video man
i came around christmas of 2019 and just hearing about s1 feels like a war crime, quite a incredible video hoping to see dbfz season 4 reinvent the game if it does come out so i can see another one these vids
can confirm season 1 was like the vietnam war
@@lexFGC good fuckin lord
Very good video! But I noticed that you stated that season three point five was the patch where they made ex moves half a bar, when it was in fact, season three.
YES I knew that but just forgot to mention it at the season 3 start lol
You gotta credit MoldyBagel, dude. But pretty good vid overall. Would have like to see SSJ Goku S2 though. He was a pretty important part of the meta back then.
His videos are in the description
@@REDvsFantasy I see. Good Stuff.
Great video dude, pretty much got everything spot on!
never got into dbfz but this was a super entertaining watch
*basically seasons 1-3* huh, looks like Z broly got a little buff, oh well it's not enough really
*Z broly gets one more buff* omg he's literally too fricken good wth
2:05 damn that pronunciation was catastrophic
I was here for UI Goku’s rising. He was fun.
something different but very welcomed.
Thank you for this red, this was insanely nostalgic.
It's been 293 days since the last balence. We've had to deal with the fuision and broly for longer then Kid Goku. Plus 21 mid way through. worse then season 2? maybe, at least theres no fuzzys.
You earned my sub homie. I'm a sucker for fighting game documentaries. You goated
make more of these bru, video essays are so interesting to watch
More are coming 👌
I always wanted a video like this to see what happened while I was gone in season 2 & 3
JUICE THIS VIDEO
And then everything changed when 21 launched.
This may be an unpopular opinion but the fusion meta is the most scrubby meta ever.
I miss the Kaz era man. Shit was a bit sleep after season 3 and the removal of big body hitboxes
great video dude, i'm impressed at how well this was made 👍. also wouldn't it be more appropriate to call the game era before dlc "Season 0"?
DLC was basically on Day 1 of the game so there really isn't a season 0 lol
As an 17 main, he was always stronger then anybody gave him credit for. He did have stubby normals but that assist is god like. But I'm really surprised that u didn't really mention base vegeta. He was everywhere season 2. Especially with his oki after level 3. And is still really strong. And to this day I still hate z broly more then I ever hated ui or kid goku. But still great video.
This was really well made.
Very good video ! You gotta respect the amount of time this guy has put in this video
This game is goated. It’s the reason I started TH-cam
Amazing video
How some of the mighty have fallen.
Really great video and breakdown of the seasons. Season 2 with GT Goku alone destroyed my enjoyment for the game too the point I was one of those people that wanted him to get nerfed so bad or even ban but now, I’m cool with most of the characters but the fusion characters annoying still
Good vid brotha i love stuff like this
We needed a vid like this kudos
Ahh I see you're a cultured Dotodoya fan :)
Nice video. Commenting for the algorithm.
absolute fucking banger video my guy, you have earned my sub and keep it up bro
I really enjoy this video. You should make this for other fighting games
Maybe some day. I did DBFZ specifically because I lived thru these seasons as a pro player so it was the best game for me to do.
I think dbfz was peak at the start of season 3, pre ui
sick video
Great video overall, although I wish you would have touched on how ridiculous season 1 bardock was, and how his toolkit influenced how characters released after him were made.
Coach Steve always folds he shouldn't have been there he on the same pace as knowkami
Great video man
Ill agree that the roughest meta was the snap back. You basically had no real options but to hold the entire mix and possibly lose a character
Android 42 + Fusion is insane.
This was dope thank you
🤣🤣🤣 the fact that whoever captured the footage at 16:04 had every character but videl has me dead
Very good video how long did it take to make?
a little over a month
wasn't Season 3.5 the label the community called the Baby patch and the August 2021 the Season 4 patch?
The official patch is still considered season 3 whatever the community calls it is up for debate I guess lol
@@REDvsFantasy Do you think it would be more appropriate to call it Season 4 once Lab Coat 21 releases?
@@Xenoblade_Natsu idk depends what bandai has planning lol
Special moves being half a bar happened way before you said it did
I get PTSD every time I see the rat.
GT was a fucking menace. I don’t think anyone has caused as much outrage as GT.
dude citate your source videos in the actual video, not cool to show 90% not your original video without giving the audience any idea whose video it is in the background
I thought the update with the Z changes we got a couple months back was refereed to as season 4.
The official patch notes is not labeled as season 4. We are still in season 3
Oh, so it’s just a fan name I guess.
glad i started in season 3! the old versions were kinda rough lol
The meta has been the dlc character + Goku + villain 😂
Nice video :D
Moldy bagel supremacy
Wait
BLUE VEGETA IS DLC?!????
You could always earn him in game by getting enough credits, but you could also unlock him early by purchasing early unlock dlc for him and SSB goku
Why you yoink MoldyBagel's clips like that?
All of his videos used are in the description and this video isn't monetized
fuck I thought this was a legends history video because of the thumbnail, hit me up when you do that
Yeah Season 2 was what I would call the dark times of DBFZ. No patch to fix GT Goku, snapback became worse. Big character became worthless at high level. Lowest character variety in the games history. Just not a fun time overall.
amazing vid
Bagel
I have despised gogeta blue since he’s got a 2m that goes full screen. And also the fact that he can get 96% damage off four inputs
Great vid! But please give credits to MoldyBagel
You stole quite a few clips from them
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Omg the french commentator haha that frenglish kills me
Little did we know.
What
@@Ronald0645labcoat
I remember when go 1 said that shit to sonic fox it was on bro 😂🤣😂
I see you put Goku Black on the thumbnail for the 3 or 4 months he was considered op
Its just cool art lol
Hey man why no mention of Clayton Chapman?
His combos were definitely impactful but he doesn't really effect anything from the meta.
@@REDvsFantasy he affected quite a lot from the beginning of the games lifespan. You even mentioned max
@@TheAnimatedGamer I only mentioned max to prove a point on how ez it was to see Bardock being broken.
Clayton is a very small part of the game compared to Kazunoko G01 Sonic etc.
Season 1 was fucking demonic lol
what happened to nakkiel? haven't seen him in forever
You'll prolly never read this but I pre ordered this game for me and my boy who didn't play fighting games he's a lab monster now his main is 21. 21 has always been good it's just no one tried hard enough man can do solo Tods 2m starter to get 3 bar anyways idk y it took years for the community to find out she is good
I read all the comments 👌
Too be fair she was okay at the start like ZBroly she got steady buffs over time to be as good as she is now. BluGogeta had terrible frame data on release but they fixed it after a while. Moral of the story is a lot of characters that were okay or meh on release got steady buffs/dodged nerfs to being good or great now.