This looked like the instructor wasn't as comfortable with the plane as he was. Seemed like full flaps to early and power out to early and needing corrections because of it. But that's just me as some dude watching an edited video. 152, hell a 172 will drop like a damn rock at full flaps.
@@Pilot_JeffI checked the comments as soon as I saw the instructor grabbing the controls. I mean jeez even on takeoff in this guy’s plane he’s grabbing for the controls 😂 yikes
I lived there for a year and learned to fly in Grand Case. I landed St Barth and it is indeed super hard. Your Flight Instructor is a wise man… The key lesson I learned in St Barth is that you come in for a go around and only land when all things are perfect… good luck on your challenge
Your instructor was way too hands on. A confident, competent, experienced instructor would've let you... the pilot fly, only to nudge you with occasional verbal assistance. Anyway, it was important you flew during those turbulent conditions. Now you know how to safely manage relatively extreme real-world conditions as an experienced pilot. Any novice could fly all day in no-wind scenarios. You did a fantastic job! Looking forward to your next update!
Yeah hopefully the instructor would not sign off on somebody they never let land confidently without control inputs from the instructor. Not unreasonable the instructor would be adding inputs the first few times to show him what he's missing.
@@MRT-xq8wdyou have no idea what you’re talking about. The pilot is a rated PIC and the only one who should have physical and legal control. This instance with an instructor is a non legal formality. In this instance the instructor is not the PIC
@@Captndarty I have a PPL with instrument rating. I know what I'm talking about. You can have a different opinion about whether an instructor can add control inputs during a training flight without formally taking over control. This unique situation is not an all-or-nothing thing, and if the pilot in fact had a problem with the instructor adding inputs, it's on him as PIC for continuing to allow it. The PIC literally asked the instructor if he should go around. That is normally a decision made independently by the PIC outside of specific commercial protocols.
Great video and something on my bucket list. This video gave some rare insight into the required training. I was rather troubled by the CFI's demeanor and the extensive amount of time he spent on the controls. I was left questioning who was actually flying the approaches and conducting the landings. I certainly appreciate the challenging conditions, but if the decision was made to conduct the flight, it should have been made with the expectation you would be flying the airplane with guidance on the specific procedures from the CFI. If the conditions were outside your personal minimums or abilities, the CFI should have suggested the training be conducted on another day. Keep up the great work!
@@arthurrodrigues7545 ...funny how that works when you're rather intent on being able to fly another day. Pilot/owner could have spoken up at any time, he chose not to. An approach and landing that under ideal circumstances is challenging takes on a whole new level of risk in instructional mode with an unknown student, a very light (LSA light) and underpowered aircraft in challenging wind conditions...and, he's FRENCH! Typical French behavior. Watch the two landings again. Plane was certainly getting buffeted , I have no problem with how instructor did his job.
Just for info, this first video was for the first day when I pickup Drew in TFFG to come to TFFJ and was more like a « demo flight », where I ask the pilot to follow along on the control to feel what is going on. Is was definitely not a day to seat back and relax, I had to take control, so we can reuse the plane after landing…😅 And I can confirm, the C-150 doesn’t have a lot of defense. That is why we came high (limiting the turbulence) and needed full flaps for a steeper descent once cleared the up/down drafts. That particular day was extremely windy, and certainly not appropriate for a normal training day. Considering the performances of the plane in such windy conditions, I elected to discontinue the training. I am sure the next video, will provide better insights of what is a more reasonable training. -The guy with the green polo-😊
Maybe that's why we turn out to be bad pilots because we think we know it all. Having a license means nothing if you don't follow basic stick and rudder skills and think you know better than the instructor who has brought you down safe in this condition. There's a reason he is CFI and can endorse, and you are a licensed pilot who isn't allowed to fly here. Learn the difference, be a little humble so.
@@lucascc98 I am sorry to tell this but: in this case of this Flight, he did there... if i was the Instructer, i would not let him flight at this conditions. He cant handle this. just a Licence, do not make a Pilote. Pilotes do not have Blood, they have Cerosine. if such slow wind behavors drive him crazy, i do not want to see ,what he does if the Weather is mad with him. LoL. 100% for the Instructer. He know his job. The "Pilot" here, is less routines / less experience. i would not be his passanger, in this case, i tell him: step out, i take over... cessna 172. here.
After watching who knows how many vids about scalping the hilltop then plunging down to the runway, now I understand why this is the first video of actually training to earn the endorsement....this is EVEN TOUGHER than most of us might have imagined, particularly in a C-150 with strong wind conditions! Makes the commercial Twin Otter look and I'm sure feel much more stable. A big thumbs up and look forward to the continuing adventure. Well done!
There was a man in WV that had his own hilltop airfield. He bought the mountain, leveled it, built his house there, and flew his planes from his backyard. I had the honor of being introduced to him by my father, who talked up a real good game about me having spent thousands of hours on MSFS from 1989 to present day. The guy sat me in his 1947 Luscombe, and he hand propped it and got in too. Then he sat back and said, "It's all yours for the next 2 hours." The landing at his airfield was extremely much like the St. Martin landing, because he bought the smaller of 2 hills. Our left main came so close to touching treetop about 400yards from the threshold, I thought I'd have to scrub pine sap off the strut. That was not the first flight experience I had, but it's certainly one that I'll never forget.
Loved this video and how real it is. You didn’t doctor it up at all and embraced the reality of the challenge. I know you’ll get that endorsement one day. Proud of you, man.
When I was taking my private check ride at Nashville International Airport, the FAA examiner showed me a short field technique. After I touched down we both threw open our doors. We stopped almost on a dime. Good idea for your next trip
People are saying the instructor is too hands on but I think they’re forgetting this is by far one of the most notoriously difficult approaches one can do. Only a handful of pilots get the endorsement, really only ones that fly into the airfield regularly. I think that’s enough justification to be shadowing on the landing.
No it’s not, because the go around decision can be made at any time by the instructor. In a split second, he can regain control of that aeroplane, and that’s without him needing to shadow the controls (with two hands 😳) That’s what a proper preflight brief should address. His right hand resting on his lap ready to take control is more than sufficient. Also, the primary challenge with St Barts is the final approach and the steep descent to the runway. Why is the instructor shadowing the landing flare? Because it’s gusty?? My previous point stands, he can be ready to take over at any moment if he is uncomfortable.
The entire flight was sketchy. I assume the preflight and some of the more important comms were edited, but this was difficult to watch. "Our controls". 😅
That was the most painful thing to watch. He had the controls like it was your first time flying. That wind wasn’t helping but damn. Go around is always a great option.
Definitely intense. As per the situation the instructor might needed his hands on but still needs to be very clear on who has controls. In strong (cross)winds, I’d prefer coming in clean or maybe 10flaps, definitely gives better control.
As a flight instructor with a looot of time spent instructing in an initial flight training environment, I have never, ever needed to have that much continuous contact with the flight controls during a landing. Not even with my most difficult students.
I'm a pilot and everything about that first approach cause me mad anxiety. One person flies the plane, no matter what and the instructor would have driven me absolutely nuts touching the controls so much.
I'm only at the 3:52 point and what's up with his hands all over the controls? What about that old saying...'Your Plane - My Plane?" If your structor want to fly...let him show you how he likes it and then you try.(I bet there's expensive landing fees so...my thoughts don't count - haha). As of the rest of the video...I don't blame your instructor - He Was Right. As for your story telling...it leaves me wanting more...nice one.
I admire your patience and trainable attitude. There were three hands on the yokes almost all the time. That was frustrating to watch but the conditions were nasty. You’re going to be a great pilot. Thanks for sharing and kudos to the editor!
Likewise. I’m always endeavouring to put my students at ease, and when I’m flying with a licensed pilot (even when they’re still low on hours) I try to give them wriggle room to operate the aeroplane they way they were taught, giving them the benefit of the doubt, and offering technique suggestions where I think it will be of value to them. Anyway Lewdix you’re an inspiration and fantastic role model to pilots and flight instructors around the world. Hope you’re doing well.
Even with bad students you have to know when to intervene and you get that by understanding the limits of your airplane. New students can be 80% hands off if you do it right in typical Cessna type aircraft, they’re very inherently stable. Students learn faster too
That’s bullshit. If you as a flight instructor need to constantly override the controls like this guy Did you might need to consider instructor retraining. I agree with JPLAviation and flyjarrett
Yeah, verbally telling him about basic airmanship skills really got me at first. The hands on yoke killed me. I guess he forgot he flew the plane down there to get his wisdom to begin with.
Having been a military flight instructor for the better part of 20 of 28 years, I can’t stand instructors that constantly put inputs into flight controllers and never let go. Either give your student verbal commands, make flight controls inputs for corrective action then remind and tell them they still have the flight controllers or just say my plane and take them. Continuously fighting the student with “pressure” does NOT develop the hand eye coordination necessary and muscle memory. Annoying and pointless. These types of flight instructors most of the time are older in the game and have lost the patients to let their students learn on their own mistakes. Over two decades and hundreds of different techniques I have tried to use to get the student to learn faster, the one thing I have figured out is no matter how much instruction you give, either verbal in flight, demo in flight, at the table prior to flight, or pushing on the stick, at some point they have to make the mistake and learn from it. This is all said with respect to not being in a critical stages of flight and not in an envoirnment seconds from death or a flight violation. Let the student learn! Example is at 3:10 to 3:26 On the flip side of the coin, I totally agree with him being hands on the final approach as there is no time / room for error. I will end with, I at one point in my career use to sit down with the student, go over that nights maneuvers, then tell him the mistakes he is going to make, why he’s going to make them, and how not to make them. The result, they still made the mistakes, but their corrective action was quite a bit faster than none briefed ones had I not covered them at the table. I use to try and talk about them at length in hopes that they would not make those “mistakes”. For 5 years, they all did the same thing, made the mistake but the light bulb came on quite quickly. It was at this point I was completely convinced that people just have to make the mistake and learn from it. There is NO learning by pushing on flight controls, they have to understand it on their own and make that physical correction.
I can say Saint Barth is usually more practicable when it's windy, depending of the type of airplane you fly: I fly a Piper Saratoga (II HP), and it's easier to land and take off this aircraft by windy day than no wind condition.
What time of day was this? St Bart's is not this windy in the early mornings and evenings. Also, how much flaps on final? A short field configuration with a 70mph approach speed should have allowed you to get in with relative ease? Keep in mind, there are literally thousands who have had this type flying in Alaska and other mountain states where dealing with moderate turbulence, short fields and high cross wind components are a matter of routine. Your airplane was designed to handle just this sort of flying.
The airport I fly out of is the about same runway length but if you land on runway 20, because of trees you have to fly an approach aiming between the runway and taxiway and then once you basically enter the airport property you have to side step over to runway whether it's the paved runway or the grass runway. The airport is 7B3 in Hampton NH. I don't know how it compares to St. Barts but it's worth checking out especially the airfield cafe right on the property. It's also worth noting that it's always a direct crosswind because it's parallel to the coast but it doesn't usually see as much wind as St Barts though, that was some pretty intense wind you landed with!
I've been to St Barts 6 times or so. The weather can really blow by in waves - and the islands all have weird wind just disturbed by features - some of my absolute bumpiest landings as a PAX (also planes are sometimes super small - 9 PAX - so going through weather in those is just wild and the small Caribbean operators have a lot more risk tolerance I think partly out of necessity.
The MOST important thing, you have to get into the Caribbean mentality and be super FLEXIBLE - no schedule deadlines and start relaxing and things start working out. The people pushing it to meet deadlines have a rough time. Write planes in pencil - literally, because everything from govt agencies etc are that way - you can show up and something is closed for the day etc etc.
Crazy level of commitment. Reminds me of a landing I once saw at PHX where they asked the Cessna for 100% throttle on landing due to inbound 777 behind it on approach.
Safety first, so great job both of you. Many thx for sharing this adventure, and the editing is just perfect. Did you get new (improved) brakes or is this standard ?
Great attitude, after hitting some setbacks, zooming out to enjoy things…. Fantastic! Also, the instructor having his hands on the yoke like that made me queasy…
Yeah that's a tough crosswind in a 150 even if not that airport. Add the hills and the approach and it's crazy. I understand the instructor didn't know you, but was he controlling the plane as much as it looked? Given thaty you're an experienced pilot, it seemed his hands were all over the controls rather than giving instructions and being minimal on the controls.
I don't know your skill level, but with close to a 90 degree cross wind of almost 20kt in a C150 that would be challenging for any pilot as the winds are above the demonstrated x-wind for the aircraft. I'm not surprised the instructor helped and look like pretty much did the landing for you. I don't think your problem is going to be runway length into St Barts but rather learning how to deal with the x-winds in such a light aircraft. Kudos to you and the instructor to understand when the training is not producing the desired results and pushing it to another day with more favorable conditions. Remember it is a lot cheaper to bend your ego than the airframe.
That’s some intense cross wind there on final! Great job on that. Side question- do you know what color blue is on the plane? I am looking for a blue for mine and this is nearly the exact tone I am looking for. Thanks!
As a CFI, every time you demonstrate a new maneuver or skill, you as the instructor normally does it first so the student can see it and feel it. Hard to follow an instructor who barks out what you should be doing without showing you first He had the CFI jerks as we used to call it, jumping hands grabbing the stick. That was intense. good job handling all the changing winds and commands
I have endorsements for both St Barths and Courchevel, and IMO, with the winds around these hills, the approach into St Barths is harder. A great feeling of accomplishment to get your logbook signed a SBH.
No matter you didn't get your rating. You gave it your best shot, even with a shit scared instructor. Besides, you will realize Lany is the most important thing in your life. She is a keeper. 😀
Was it really "safety first" when he knew he had marginal conditions for the mission, elected to depart anyway to "make it work" - then elected to press on with a landing even after finding out the crosswind exceeded the max demonstrated xwind for his aircraft? It was a huge risk for him to even publish this video. Heaven forbid he ever balls up his plane. I wonder what the FAA and NTSB (and attorneys for the bereaved) would do with a video showing that, on a prior occasion, the pilot's ADM included totally disregarding the published operating limitations of his aircraft. TNFlygirl wasn't even intentionally a bad pilot and her videos are already being used against her [estate].
This is my number one aviation dream endorsement and the only reason I still keep a paper logbook so I can get it signed by Maxine. Can you please post how to get in touch with him I’ve googled but cannot find any info to reach out.
That first landing ... 26 years of me flying ... wow ... just wow. Worked it all the way to the ground! Great talkin' to ya today, man! We'll definitely make time to get together... by the way, I'm in GA about once or every other month for work!
😂😂 Dude....f that. That first landing had me on edge. Instructor refused to give up. Lol Also, great camera shots to whoever was on the ground! I mostly watch your instagram stories and never appreciated how much work go into these videos. 👏
Never seen two guys work so hard to fly the same plane! Great video, can't believe I haven't come across your channel before now. Someday I'll get the Mooney into Barth...
@@RelativeWind Yeah, I'm betting the only thing Maxime was thinking was "I'm not going to die today." The foreshadowing was the look on his face biting his tongue as it cranked over and over trying to start....
Michael and I just watched this incredible video. It was like being right there with you. Love your narration, the scenery, video angles, and perfect music. It’s an immersive experience! Great team!! ❤
So, on the first landing, when he called for more power... did you just not hear him? Why the delay that caused him to panic? Were you fighting the wind too hard to move your hand?
The instructor feels like the one I had when going for my ticket. He seemed to be always talking way too much. At 11 hours I still had not made a single landing. I was at the point I was going to fire the CFI after the training session but I did something that changed everything. After he had again had to take control on landing I stopped the plane, looked directly in his eyes and said ‘ shut up and let me land the plane’. Only say something if you think we’re going to die ‘. We went around the pattern, he kept his mouth shut and I made probably the most perfect landing I ever had. After this, he understood his student and we finished out my training. Now the CFI in the video…being in a 150 in those conditions probably thought he might die. :-)
Man ..at first I thought this instructor was being a little too much of a control freak till I saw that final approach. . Definitely in my bucket list. C150G owner here based out of kcoi . Thanks for sharing.
interesting! Not sure the conditions were so intense that it required the instructor to get that 'hands on' or if he was just over doing it? (Not to 2nd guess). As for flaps 40? He had them out really early. On a C150, for me, that's a your committed moment for the most part. (Remember, the C152 only has 30 and is just fine). With all that gust, I'd want the reduced drag in case you had to bolt. Too many guys have gotten behind the eight ball on go arounds from flap 40 in 150s. Hope you do complete the endorsement. Except for the wicked crosswind, you should be fine in a 150. I will agree with the instructor on one thing, and you'll see this too as you progress. Back when I did my commercial (in a C152), my instructor insisted on full aileron into the wind on take off (removing input as we accelerated) and putting in and maintaining full aileron into the wind when rolling out during landing. He really took me to task on releasing aileron on rolling out. Well, 37+ years later, I can say he was right!
Love your content here, cool experience for sure. The Instructor in a way was ?? He seemed from the video footage just taken over the controls and not letting you fly the aircraft? I say this not to say he doesn't know his stuff, no doubt he knows that island so very well, but he should allow you to make some decisions here? I mean you are obviously a very capable Pilot as you made it all the way down to these island in the first place and your cessna looks to be still in good shape hahaha. There was a point of where he says Power Power Power, He obviously wants it like NOW NOW but I am guessing you are adding in slowly (kind of like how we are trained to do ?No?) Well you were there so I am sure you remember all this pressure. I have flown with so many different Instructors over the years and so many different personalities. Its almost now in my life i ask them to lets have a sit down and get them before we fly to express there thoughts before we even try to do whatever, what i found even funny many of these different Instructors were from all different parts of the earth , so many different ways of expressing English. But hey this is video is fantastic.
When I was landing in exuma (commercial flight) I saw you landing right as we were getting off the plane. Pretty cool. Can’t wait to see the Bahamas portion.
Just when you think you've done it all, try landing in a small cereal bowl. Not much room for error at St. Bart's. It looks like a short field landing that takes forever.
One recommendation: Whenever you're not in U.S. airspace, always use your full tail number "N22318". That's your plane's official radio station identifier.
Student in this case says; "go around" If you're my student. I say YES 1000X over! You are the pilot making the decision. If you feel like you need to go around. You should go around!
during my training I had an instructor that would take me up in windy conditions and have me do pattern work. I'm so glad he took me up in those conditions so I wouldn't be freaked out when it happened after I got certified.
My Dude! That was soooo INTENSE! I thought Catalina Island was intimidating. SUBSCRIBED! So looking forward to your videos. Be safe my fellow aviator. I’ll be posting a video of my my first flight to Catalina as a private pilot and with my first passenger, my oldest son. Hope you can watch it 😃🤙🏻
I don’t think I’ve ever seen two people land a plane at once - that would have drove me crazy. Incredible patience and flying
Omg 100% agree. There is only ONE person on the controls. That was idk what the words are.. nuts!!
@@chrispbacon550 i know right i have never seen an instructor like that, usually they just slightly nudge you that guy was full hands on the controls.
This looked like the instructor wasn't as comfortable with the plane as he was. Seemed like full flaps to early and power out to early and needing corrections because of it. But that's just me as some dude watching an edited video. 152, hell a 172 will drop like a damn rock at full flaps.
@@Pilot_JeffI checked the comments as soon as I saw the instructor grabbing the controls. I mean jeez even on takeoff in this guy’s plane he’s grabbing for the controls 😂 yikes
...then you've never flown in the student/instructor flight training mode.
I lived there for a year and learned to fly in Grand Case. I landed St Barth and it is indeed super hard. Your Flight Instructor is a wise man…
The key lesson I learned in St Barth is that you come in for a go around and only land when all things are perfect… good luck on your challenge
Your instructor was way too hands on.
A confident, competent, experienced instructor would've let you... the pilot fly, only to nudge you with occasional verbal assistance.
Anyway, it was important you flew during those turbulent conditions. Now you know how to safely manage relatively extreme real-world conditions as an experienced pilot. Any novice could fly all day in no-wind scenarios.
You did a fantastic job! Looking forward to your next update!
AGREED!!
As a CFI I cringe in agreement. This was very poor form on his instructor and totally unnecessary.
Yeah hopefully the instructor would not sign off on somebody they never let land confidently without control inputs from the instructor. Not unreasonable the instructor would be adding inputs the first few times to show him what he's missing.
@@MRT-xq8wdyou have no idea what you’re talking about. The pilot is a rated PIC and the only one who should have physical and legal control. This instance with an instructor is a non legal formality. In this instance the instructor is not the PIC
@@Captndarty I have a PPL with instrument rating. I know what I'm talking about. You can have a different opinion about whether an instructor can add control inputs during a training flight without formally taking over control. This unique situation is not an all-or-nothing thing, and if the pilot in fact had a problem with the instructor adding inputs, it's on him as PIC for continuing to allow it. The PIC literally asked the instructor if he should go around. That is normally a decision made independently by the PIC outside of specific commercial protocols.
Keep on keepin’ on!! Love you! ❤️
Why did no one like this comment. 50$ man wow. legend
Great video and something on my bucket list. This video gave some rare insight into the required training. I was rather troubled by the CFI's demeanor and the extensive amount of time he spent on the controls. I was left questioning who was actually flying the approaches and conducting the landings. I certainly appreciate the challenging conditions, but if the decision was made to conduct the flight, it should have been made with the expectation you would be flying the airplane with guidance on the specific procedures from the CFI. If the conditions were outside your personal minimums or abilities, the CFI should have suggested the training be conducted on another day. Keep up the great work!
I agree about the instructor.
100% he is VERY touchy….
@@arthurrodrigues7545 ...funny how that works when you're rather intent on being able to fly another day. Pilot/owner could have spoken up at any time, he chose not to. An approach and landing that under ideal circumstances is challenging takes on a whole new level of risk in instructional mode with an unknown student, a very light (LSA light) and underpowered aircraft in challenging wind conditions...and, he's FRENCH! Typical French behavior. Watch the two landings again. Plane was certainly getting buffeted , I have no problem with how instructor did his job.
All landings they were both on the controls. Very dangerous.
Just for info, this first video was for the first day when I pickup Drew in TFFG to come to TFFJ and was more like a « demo flight », where I ask the pilot to follow along on the control to feel what is going on.
Is was definitely not a day to seat back and relax, I had to take control, so we can reuse the plane after landing…😅
And I can confirm, the C-150 doesn’t have a lot of defense. That is why we came high (limiting the turbulence) and needed full flaps for a steeper descent once cleared the up/down drafts.
That particular day was extremely windy, and certainly not appropriate for a normal training day.
Considering the performances of the plane in such windy conditions, I elected to discontinue the training.
I am sure the next video, will provide better insights of what is a more reasonable training.
-The guy with the green polo-😊
Amazing and intense! It's also amazing that you made that long a trip in a Cessna 150. Truly makes you enjoy and appreciate aviation more.
Incredible patience you have. I couldn’t take that instructor telling me how to do basic stuff as if I’m not a licensed pilot😂
My Brotha!!
It's just another opportunity to learn from an experienced pilot 😂
Maybe that's why we turn out to be bad pilots because we think we know it all. Having a license means nothing if you don't follow basic stick and rudder skills and think you know better than the instructor who has brought you down safe in this condition. There's a reason he is CFI and can endorse, and you are a licensed pilot who isn't allowed to fly here. Learn the difference, be a little humble so.
@@casilasgoalerthis. One is a social media pilot the other is a legend.
@@lucascc98 I am sorry to tell this but: in this case of this Flight, he did there... if i was the Instructer, i would not let him flight at this conditions. He cant handle this.
just a Licence, do not make a Pilote.
Pilotes do not have Blood, they have Cerosine.
if such slow wind behavors drive him crazy, i do not want to see ,what he does if the Weather is mad with him. LoL.
100% for the Instructer. He know his job.
The "Pilot" here, is less routines / less experience.
i would not be his passanger, in this case, i tell him: step out, i take over...
cessna 172.
here.
You have high ego
After watching who knows how many vids about scalping the hilltop then plunging down to the runway, now I understand why this is the first video of actually training to earn the endorsement....this is EVEN TOUGHER than most of us might have imagined, particularly in a C-150 with strong wind conditions! Makes the commercial Twin Otter look and I'm sure feel much more stable. A big thumbs up and look forward to the continuing adventure. Well done!
I've never tried to land with an instructor fighting me on the yoke with both hands. Kudos for pulling that off.
There was a man in WV that had his own hilltop airfield. He bought the mountain, leveled it, built his house there, and flew his planes from his backyard.
I had the honor of being introduced to him by my father, who talked up a real good game about me having spent thousands of hours on MSFS from 1989 to present day.
The guy sat me in his 1947 Luscombe, and he hand propped it and got in too. Then he sat back and said, "It's all yours for the next 2 hours."
The landing at his airfield was extremely much like the St. Martin landing, because he bought the smaller of 2 hills. Our left main came so close to touching treetop about 400yards from the threshold, I thought I'd have to scrub pine sap off the strut.
That was not the first flight experience I had, but it's certainly one that I'll never forget.
Good pilots are not nervous daps, like this CFI is..
The stress you control on landing is so sensational! St. Barts is such an incredible airport. Thank you for the video ✈️
Loved this video and how real it is. You didn’t doctor it up at all and embraced the reality of the challenge. I know you’ll get that endorsement one day. Proud of you, man.
Thank you so much!!
When I was taking my private check ride at Nashville International Airport, the FAA examiner showed me a short field technique. After I touched down we both threw open our doors. We stopped almost on a dime. Good idea for your next trip
That is insane and dumb. Doors will not fo much not to mention loads on door... bogus.
People are saying the instructor is too hands on but I think they’re forgetting this is by far one of the most notoriously difficult approaches one can do. Only a handful of pilots get the endorsement, really only ones that fly into the airfield regularly. I think that’s enough justification to be shadowing on the landing.
No it’s not, because the go around decision can be made at any time by the instructor. In a split second, he can regain control of that aeroplane, and that’s without him needing to shadow the controls (with two hands 😳) That’s what a proper preflight brief should address. His right hand resting on his lap ready to take control is more than sufficient.
Also, the primary challenge with St Barts is the final approach and the steep descent to the runway. Why is the instructor shadowing the landing flare? Because it’s gusty?? My previous point stands, he can be ready to take over at any moment if he is uncomfortable.
The entire flight was sketchy. I assume the preflight and some of the more important comms were edited, but this was difficult to watch. "Our controls". 😅
The editing on this is really really good. Great job.
Thank you so much!
That was the most painful thing to watch. He had the controls like it was your first time flying. That wind wasn’t helping but damn. Go around is always a great option.
Bro you killed that, 90% of pilots including airline guys probably couldn’t pull that off. The fact that you even attempt it speaks volumes!
Bro you killed that , 90%
bruh most people dont even have the money to do any of that
Definitely intense. As per the situation the instructor might needed his hands on but still needs to be very clear on who has controls. In strong (cross)winds, I’d prefer coming in clean or maybe 10flaps, definitely gives better control.
As a flight instructor with a looot of time spent instructing in an initial flight training environment, I have never, ever needed to have that much continuous contact with the flight controls during a landing. Not even with my most difficult students.
I'm a pilot and everything about that first approach cause me mad anxiety. One person flies the plane, no matter what and the instructor would have driven me absolutely nuts touching the controls so much.
Touching ? BS. Grabbing them with 2 PANICKY HANDS.
Hugely entertaining man - actually gave me goosebumps... thank you! Defo on my to-do list... looking forward to round II!
I'm only at the 3:52 point and what's up with his hands all over the controls? What about that old saying...'Your Plane - My Plane?" If your structor want to fly...let him show you how he likes it and then you try.(I bet there's expensive landing fees so...my thoughts don't count - haha). As of the rest of the video...I don't blame your instructor - He Was Right. As for your story telling...it leaves me wanting more...nice one.
Same thing I said. They implemented that at least in the USA because there were too many crashes.
best video i've seen yet about the training required to land on st barth's. looking forward to seeing more
I admire your patience and trainable attitude. There were three hands on the yokes almost all the time. That was frustrating to watch but the conditions were nasty. You’re going to be a great pilot. Thanks for sharing and kudos to the editor!
Interesting instructional technique. Not one that I've ever adopted. Great video in some tough conditions!
LOL - ikr. Not a fan of this type, however great CFIs they may be, I'm like, I've been flying for 19 years, chill a little bit bruh.
Likewise. I’m always endeavouring to put my students at ease, and when I’m flying with a licensed pilot (even when they’re still low on hours) I try to give them wriggle room to operate the aeroplane they way they were taught, giving them the benefit of the doubt, and offering technique suggestions where I think it will be of value to them.
Anyway Lewdix you’re an inspiration and fantastic role model to pilots and flight instructors around the world. Hope you’re doing well.
Been going to st barths for years can never get enough of that landing new to the channel and glade you made a vid on it
I’m just now picking up my jaw as it was dropped the whole video. Tough conditions, great decisions, beautiful views. Thanks for sharing.
This was great! Also I was frightened for you. Seems like suspending was the right call. Hope to see more videos of your trip.
As a flight instructor, with no experience with a particular student, it’s difficult to keep your hands off the controls.
Even with bad students you have to know when to intervene and you get that by understanding the limits of your airplane. New students can be 80% hands off if you do it right in typical Cessna type aircraft, they’re very inherently stable. Students learn faster too
The thing is, he’s not a student. He’s a private pilot. The instructor should have been hands off unless something bad was about to happen.
That’s bullshit. If you as a flight instructor need to constantly override the controls like this guy Did you might need to consider instructor retraining.
I agree with JPLAviation and flyjarrett
Yeah, verbally telling him about basic airmanship skills really got me at first. The hands on yoke killed me. I guess he forgot he flew the plane down there to get his wisdom to begin with.
Having been a military flight instructor for the better part of 20 of 28 years, I can’t stand instructors that constantly put inputs into flight controllers and never let go. Either give your student verbal commands, make flight controls inputs for corrective action then remind and tell them they still have the flight controllers or just say my plane and take them. Continuously fighting the student with “pressure” does NOT develop the hand eye coordination necessary and muscle memory. Annoying and pointless. These types of flight instructors most of the time are older in the game and have lost the patients to let their students learn on their own mistakes. Over two decades and hundreds of different techniques I have tried to use to get the student to learn faster, the one thing I have figured out is no matter how much instruction you give, either verbal in flight, demo in flight, at the table prior to flight, or pushing on the stick, at some point they have to make the mistake and learn from it. This is all said with respect to not being in a critical stages of flight and not in an envoirnment seconds from death or a flight violation. Let the student learn! Example is at 3:10 to 3:26
On the flip side of the coin, I totally agree with him being hands on the final approach as there is no time / room for error. I will end with, I at one point in my career use to sit down with the student, go over that nights maneuvers, then tell him the mistakes he is going to make, why he’s going to make them, and how not to make them. The result, they still made the mistakes, but their corrective action was quite a bit faster than none briefed ones had I not covered them at the table. I use to try and talk about them at length in hopes that they would not make those “mistakes”. For 5 years, they all did the same thing, made the mistake but the light bulb came on quite quickly. It was at this point I was completely convinced that people just have to make the mistake and learn from it. There is NO learning by pushing on flight controls, they have to understand it on their own and make that physical correction.
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There`s a grass strip in Genoah City Wisconsin that is very tricky landing to the east. The runway is a 20ft. drop from the surface by the hangars.
Been thinking of taking my Mooney down around the Caribbean, can you make a video on how you planned this trip?
Yes! Definitely will make a video all about that! There will be 7 episodes about this trip!!
I can say Saint Barth is usually more practicable when it's windy, depending of the type of airplane you fly: I fly a Piper Saratoga (II HP), and it's easier to land and take off this aircraft by windy day than no wind condition.
What time of day was this? St Bart's is not this windy in the early mornings and evenings. Also, how much flaps on final? A short field configuration with a 70mph approach speed should have allowed you to get in with relative ease? Keep in mind, there are literally thousands who have had this type flying in Alaska and other mountain states where dealing with moderate turbulence, short fields and high cross wind components are a matter of routine. Your airplane was designed to handle just this sort of flying.
The airport I fly out of is the about same runway length but if you land on runway 20, because of trees you have to fly an approach aiming between the runway and taxiway and then once you basically enter the airport property you have to side step over to runway whether it's the paved runway or the grass runway.
The airport is 7B3 in Hampton NH. I don't know how it compares to St. Barts but it's worth checking out especially the airfield cafe right on the property. It's also worth noting that it's always a direct crosswind because it's parallel to the coast but it doesn't usually see as much wind as St Barts though, that was some pretty intense wind you landed with!
I've been to St Barts 6 times or so. The weather can really blow by in waves - and the islands all have weird wind just disturbed by features - some of my absolute bumpiest landings as a PAX (also planes are sometimes super small - 9 PAX - so going through weather in those is just wild and the small Caribbean operators have a lot more risk tolerance I think partly out of necessity.
The MOST important thing, you have to get into the Caribbean mentality and be super FLEXIBLE - no schedule deadlines and start relaxing and things start working out. The people pushing it to meet deadlines have a rough time. Write planes in pencil - literally, because everything from govt agencies etc are that way - you can show up and something is closed for the day etc etc.
Crazy level of commitment. Reminds me of a landing I once saw at PHX where they asked the Cessna for 100% throttle on landing due to inbound 777 behind it on approach.
Safety first, so great job both of you. Many thx for sharing this adventure, and the editing is just perfect. Did you get new (improved) brakes or is this standard ?
Great attitude, after hitting some setbacks, zooming out to enjoy things…. Fantastic!
Also, the instructor having his hands on the yoke like that made me queasy…
Yeah that's a tough crosswind in a 150 even if not that airport. Add the hills and the approach and it's crazy. I understand the instructor didn't know you, but was he controlling the plane as much as it looked? Given thaty you're an experienced pilot, it seemed his hands were all over the controls rather than giving instructions and being minimal on the controls.
I don't know your skill level, but with close to a 90 degree cross wind of almost 20kt in a C150 that would be challenging for any pilot as the winds are above the demonstrated x-wind for the aircraft. I'm not surprised the instructor helped and look like pretty much did the landing for you. I don't think your problem is going to be runway length into St Barts but rather learning how to deal with the x-winds in such a light aircraft. Kudos to you and the instructor to understand when the training is not producing the desired results and pushing it to another day with more favorable conditions. Remember it is a lot cheaper to bend your ego than the airframe.
Okay, at 5:13 I'm like Heck no. 1600 miles back is fine with me!!! Now to see how this ends!!!
Amazing video! Can’t wait to catch you back in Destin, I missed you on your last visit. Take care!
That’s some intense cross wind there on final! Great job on that. Side question- do you know what color blue is on the plane? I am looking for a blue for mine and this is nearly the exact tone I am looking for. Thanks!
As a CFI, every time you demonstrate a new maneuver or skill, you as the instructor normally does it first so the student can see it and feel it. Hard to follow an instructor who barks out what you should be doing without showing you first
He had the CFI jerks as we used to call it, jumping hands grabbing the stick. That was intense. good job handling all the changing winds and commands
I have endorsements for both St Barths and Courchevel, and IMO, with the winds around these hills, the approach into St Barths is harder. A great feeling of accomplishment to get your logbook signed a SBH.
10:19 - Excellent decision by CFI.
That was freakin' intense.
Continued success.
Not really, that should have been done already after the first landing. Or even before they departed St Martin. Know your limits and stick to them.
Of course, you must be stupid to think 20kts in a 150 is a breeze with mountains, this dude is a TH-camr not a pilot
I have watched a few of your videos and they are all good. This one was great, I can’t wait to see part two. Subscribed.
Nice!
No matter you didn't get your rating. You gave it your best shot, even with a shit scared instructor. Besides, you will realize Lany is the most important thing in your life. She is a keeper. 😀
Very proud of you guys: safety first, but always pushing through a goal that totally worth going for!
Was it really "safety first" when he knew he had marginal conditions for the mission, elected to depart anyway to "make it work" - then elected to press on with a landing even after finding out the crosswind exceeded the max demonstrated xwind for his aircraft? It was a huge risk for him to even publish this video. Heaven forbid he ever balls up his plane. I wonder what the FAA and NTSB (and attorneys for the bereaved) would do with a video showing that, on a prior occasion, the pilot's ADM included totally disregarding the published operating limitations of his aircraft. TNFlygirl wasn't even intentionally a bad pilot and her videos are already being used against her [estate].
Love this! Landing in real life is definitely harder than in flight sim even at a regular airports especially in conditions like that!
I used to have a Cherokee 235. I think it would be a cinch to get into St. Barts. Power off and in a slip and you could drop like a rock.
Yesssssss been waiting for this since the TH-cam shorts
This is my number one aviation dream endorsement and the only reason I still keep a paper logbook so I can get it signed by Maxine. Can you please post how to get in touch with him I’ve googled but cannot find any info to reach out.
I move to Miami this September to do my FAA CPL id love to fly here!!!! Bravo on the landing...
Can’t wait for the rest of the vids!
Man! You definitely kept a straight face without showing any signs of being nervous. Total respect 😎
A fantastic video dude but a CRM nightmare. Who was designated as PIC/PF?
That first landing ... 26 years of me flying ... wow ... just wow. Worked it all the way to the ground!
Great talkin' to ya today, man! We'll definitely make time to get together... by the way, I'm in GA about once or every other month for work!
😂😂 Dude....f that. That first landing had me on edge. Instructor refused to give up. Lol
Also, great camera shots to whoever was on the ground! I mostly watch your instagram stories and never appreciated how much work go into these videos. 👏
Never seen two guys work so hard to fly the same plane! Great video, can't believe I haven't come across your channel before now. Someday I'll get the Mooney into Barth...
Basically fighting against each other. Pretty dumb on instructors part. LSA all the way up to airliners one person is landing the plane, not 2.
@@RelativeWind Yeah, I'm betting the only thing Maxime was thinking was "I'm not going to die today." The foreshadowing was the look on his face biting his tongue as it cranked over and over trying to start....
Whoa! Got an adrenaline rush just watching! Holy cow!
Were you staying on the french side (ST MARTIN) or the dutch side (Sint Maarten) of the island?
Michael and I just watched this incredible video. It was like being right there with you. Love your narration, the scenery, video angles, and perfect music. It’s an immersive experience! Great team!! ❤
That first landing was sporty! Great video~
Wow, great video. Keep up the nice work!
Is that Maxime? He flew with me during my first St Barts landing!
So, on the first landing, when he called for more power... did you just not hear him? Why the delay that caused him to panic? Were you fighting the wind too hard to move your hand?
The instructor feels like the one I had when going for my ticket. He seemed to be always talking way too much. At 11 hours I still had not made a single landing. I was at the point I was going to fire the CFI after the training session but I did something that changed everything. After he had again had to take control on landing I stopped the plane, looked directly in his eyes and said ‘ shut up and let me land the plane’. Only say something if you think we’re going to die ‘. We went around the pattern, he kept his mouth shut and I made probably the most perfect landing I ever had. After this, he understood his student and we finished out my training. Now the CFI in the video…being in a 150 in those conditions probably thought he might die. :-)
Btw, I really liked your close ups of the CFI and yourself. It really gave context to the intensity of this flight.
Man ..at first I thought this instructor was being a little too much of a control freak till I saw that final approach. . Definitely in my bucket list. C150G owner here based out of kcoi . Thanks for sharing.
Takes some balls to land at St. Barth with a 20 knots crosswind on runway 10, great video.
Was that a whiff of the stall horn when he called short final that first landing?
Also that controller sounds like a walking AWOS lol
Geez, you get sweaty just watching this. Plane gets tossed around like a paper airplane. Very very impressive
@4:33 Prime example of why modern instructors use MY CONTROLS, YOUR CONTROLS, MY CONTROLS.. I think the title of the video should be you both landed.
Post more videos! Excellent job. Thank you for sharing your journey.
I have done the Landing Challenge numerous times.
But that's not with 20 knots cross wind!
It takes two people to handle the controls?
were you in abbotsford canada during the air show? i swear i saw the plane
interesting! Not sure the conditions were so intense that it required the instructor to get that 'hands on' or if he was just over doing it? (Not to 2nd guess). As for flaps 40? He had them out really early. On a C150, for me, that's a your committed moment for the most part. (Remember, the C152 only has 30 and is just fine). With all that gust, I'd want the reduced drag in case you had to bolt. Too many guys have gotten behind the eight ball on go arounds from flap 40 in 150s. Hope you do complete the endorsement. Except for the wicked crosswind, you should be fine in a 150. I will agree with the instructor on one thing, and you'll see this too as you progress. Back when I did my commercial (in a C152), my instructor insisted on full aileron into the wind on take off (removing input as we accelerated) and putting in and maintaining full aileron into the wind when rolling out during landing. He really took me to task on releasing aileron on rolling out. Well, 37+ years later, I can say he was right!
WRT flaps... 20 degrees would have been plenty. No way 40 is needed.
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That looked challenging. Well done
One of the first things my flight instructor taught me is that one person flies the plane at a time. That guy was not what I would want from a tutor
Love your content here, cool experience for sure. The Instructor in a way was ?? He seemed from the video footage just taken over the controls and not letting you fly the aircraft? I say this not to say he doesn't know his stuff, no doubt he knows that island so very well, but he should allow you to make some decisions here? I mean you are obviously a very capable Pilot as you made it all the way down to these island in the first place and your cessna looks to be still in good shape hahaha. There was a point of where he says Power Power Power, He obviously wants it like NOW NOW but I am guessing you are adding in slowly (kind of like how we are trained to do ?No?) Well you were there so I am sure you remember all this pressure. I have flown with so many different Instructors over the years and so many different personalities. Its almost now in my life i ask them to lets have a sit down and get them before we fly to express there thoughts before we even try to do whatever, what i found even funny many of these different Instructors were from all different parts of the earth , so many different ways of expressing English. But hey this is video is fantastic.
20 knots of cross wind in a Cessna 150 in lumpy air at a crazy airport? I would have stayed on the ground
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Do you keep lifejackets onboard when you fly over water?
Outstanding👏🏼 you'll get there☺️🛫
Thank you!!
Amazing place. I still want to visit. Thanks for sharing and good flights.
When I was landing in exuma (commercial flight) I saw you landing right as we were getting off the plane. Pretty cool. Can’t wait to see the Bahamas portion.
What!! Haha that’s amazing! Next is US to Turks-Bahamas will be soon after!!
Just when you think you've done it all, try landing in a small cereal bowl. Not much room for error at St. Bart's. It looks like a short field landing that takes forever.
I go to SB every year and the landing is always one of my favorite parts of the trip!
INTENSE! Also, NICLY produced video.
What a bumpy Flight because of Crosswinds and Turbulences - You did a good Job under these Conditions !!👍
One recommendation:
Whenever you're not in U.S. airspace, always use your full tail number "N22318". That's your plane's official radio station identifier.
Sweet! The 150 is nice and light and makes things interesting. A DA-20 is a bucket of fun all in itself. 😁 That's a sexy 150 brother!
Student in this case says; "go around" If you're my student. I say YES 1000X over! You are the pilot making the decision. If you feel like you need to go around. You should go around!
Who was flying the plane that first landing??? Seemed kinda ambiguous to me.
What an amazing instructor. Priceless IMO.
during my training I had an instructor that would take me up in windy conditions and have me do pattern work. I'm so glad he took me up in those conditions so I wouldn't be freaked out when it happened after I got certified.
My Dude! That was soooo INTENSE! I thought Catalina Island was intimidating. SUBSCRIBED! So looking forward to your videos. Be safe my fellow aviator. I’ll be posting a video of my my first flight to Catalina as a private pilot and with my first passenger, my oldest son. Hope you can watch it 😃🤙🏻
I’m going to try this on MSFS today can’t wait
unsafe instructor....you on the other side, excelent by suggesting the go around after passing the runway marks!!!
He knows better than u and its a small plane so it needs less runawa