Agnostic Joe Schmid - “does God exist?”

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  • The "Give Me An Answer" ministry began as an outgrowth of the dialogues Cliffe Knechtle has had with students on various university campuses throughout the United States. These universities include the University of Maine, Harvard, MIT, University of Florida, University of Texas, University of Wisconsin, University of Minnesota, University of California Los Angeles, University of California San Diego, Berkeley, Stanford, University of Hawaii and the University of Washington. Cliffe spoke on these campuses in front of the Student Union or Library at noon for five to ten minutes. At the close of his initial remarks, he'd open up the time for questions and answers, which usually turned into a two to four hour dialogue with students. His crowd size ranged from 25 - 500 students at a time, and between classes, new students would join the discussion. This is an extremely effective way to reach a large number of university students with the Gospel of Christ.

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  • @ArmorofTruth
    @ArmorofTruth 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This young man, Joe Schmid, is very impressive and is such a breath of fresh air regarding the debate around objective morality, etc... Very fruitful conversation and I'm glad you had him on. So much more reasonable and well prepared than say, Aron Ra, for example.
    So happy to see the young generation has its bright stars!
    Now! Let's get him from the worship of intellect to the worship of the Creator of intellect and we'll also have a new brother in Christ! And an awesome apologist!

    • @Gericho49
      @Gericho49 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Go onto any liberal campus and ask the average indoctrinated 20 yr old student what respect or value they put on democracy, freedom of speech and religion, justice and morality, law and order, as well as life, pre or post natal. Is this young lad an exception?
      The callous disregard usually observed, is just typical of the age. No one who's ever had any meaningful life experiences can see passed their own little bubble. The path to wisdom and self knowledge is necessarily thrawt with decades of disappointment and failure.

  • @ethanstone1342
    @ethanstone1342 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    As a Chistian this is so painful to watch. Thanks for your patience Joe 🙂❤

  • @chad969
    @chad969 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Sharp kid

    • @robertoh.20
      @robertoh.20 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      that's your opinion, my opinion is different to yours......

    • @chad969
      @chad969 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ​@@robertoh.20 Okay champ. Joe was publishing in philosophy journals at the age of 19 but I guess that means nothing

  • @robertoh.20
    @robertoh.20 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    if there is no God, then yes, i can assign value to africans, asians, european, i'd even have an order on who is less valuable than the other. But if there's a God who created us all, then we are all equally valuable.

    • @chad969
      @chad969 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do you see that fact as being relevant to the question of whether God exists? If so, how? How does what you just said tell us anything at all about whether it's more or less likely that a God exists?

    • @conradical41
      @conradical41 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Until you read Exodus

  • @Laurelwoodfun
    @Laurelwoodfun 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    With the valuable aspect of what Joe was saying I would like to touch on. First of all let's take gold for an example gold does not intrinsic value by itself because if we have no money or type of payment for that piece of gold it does not make it valuable not to mention we have other factors such as Rarity or whatever but that is decided by external source such as humans we decide how much an ounce of gold is worth for example. So actually it is in most things of value decided by other external things

  • @andreitabacaru8378
    @andreitabacaru8378 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In Capturing Chrisrianity videos title it is writen that Joe is a thiest. You said it 's agnostic.
    So which one is it?

    • @jjccarpentry
      @jjccarpentry 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Andrei, did you watch that video? They were arguing counter positions, or at least positions that nether Joe or Randal hold themselves. Do you think Randal Rauser is an athiest, given the title of the video?

    • @Laurelwoodfun
      @Laurelwoodfun 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Watch at the video at 39 minutes and 20 seconds.

  • @gregc.4117
    @gregc.4117 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Agnostic is good Greek for the Latin Ignoramus.

  •  3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video

  • @eapooda
    @eapooda ปีที่แล้ว

    Cliffe just failed to understand any of Joe's arguments here. It really hurt to see. Cliffe just restating your beliefs over and over again isn't an argument.

  • @jjccarpentry
    @jjccarpentry 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    @24:50 Cliff, in opposition to phenomenal conservatism, argues that there is no evidence of a value of justice or love, but this is to argue against the moral intuition that he would use to support the existence of objevtive values.

  • @Gericho49
    @Gericho49 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Go onto any liberal campus and ask the average indoctrinated 20 yr old student what respect or value they put on democracy, freedom of speech and religion, justice and morality, law and order, as well as life, pre or post natal. The callous disregard usually observed, seems to be just typical of the age. No one who's ever had any meaningful life experiences can see passed their own little cosmic bubble. *The path to wisdom and self knowledge is necessarily thrawt with decades of disappointment and failure.*

  • @michaelx5070
    @michaelx5070 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow Cliffe actually doesn’t understand the difference between atheism and materialism. Basic philosophical terminology here. Joe shouldn’t have had to spell that out multiple times. This explains a lot about the state of Christian apologetics.

  • @azguardian8156
    @azguardian8156 ปีที่แล้ว

    is there s reason y reverse flash on the thumbnail...

  • @joshuabrecka6012
    @joshuabrecka6012 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Pro tip: just watch the parts where Joe talks. You can skip the rest...

  • @TheLloyz
    @TheLloyz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    MAGA - Make Aristotle Great Again

  • @gregc.4117
    @gregc.4117 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Being “as close to being a theist as being an atheist”, sounds a bit like a woman saying she’s in between being pregnant and not pregnant”.

    • @New_Essay_6416
      @New_Essay_6416 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He neither believes nor disbelieves. He doesn’t know one way or the other. What’s wrong w that? The difference between this and your example is one is not the direct negation of the other.

    • @ethanstone1342
      @ethanstone1342 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is like saying.
      Greg is my cat's name Mittens?
      And then also telling you cant say that you don't know

    • @Laurelwoodfun
      @Laurelwoodfun 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Whats wrong with it is one of them is true and one of them is wrong. And one way would mean eternal life in heaven or eternal life in hell.​@@New_Essay_6416

  • @paulwilfridhunt
    @paulwilfridhunt 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Isn’t it entirely possible that predestination exists, presumably because it actually needs to exist, otherwise why is it here?
    Could it be that without it, the satanic powers are such that none would be saved?
    Otherwise why does God predestinate?
    Surely God would only predestinate if it was necessary.
    Can it be that without being predestinated, the opposing forces of Satan are so strong, that the yet to be believer, would not be able to repent, unless God helps with the predestined life.
    It seems like a logical assumption.
    And as one would think that a pastor’s son compared to one that’s a dart blower from the Amazon jungle, would have a better chance of being converted by the gospel, but without being predestinated, neither one can repent.
    Yes it’s more likely that those who are predestined will be found in places where God is known. However there are exceptions to the rule such as dart blowing natives deep from jungles who are also being predestined.
    But who could have had a better exposure to it than Judas Iscariot?
    Whilst God can do any thing, all things being possible to Him, however He cannot sin.
    Nor can God go against the free will He has freely given us.
    Therefore God knew that the perfect opportunity given to the apostles would not suit the free will of Judas Iscariot, and hence he was not predestined, nor could he be.
    Because all the predestinating in the world by God would not have converted Judas Iscariot.
    Therefore Judas could not be predestinated. And all those who are not predestined are this way because their free will disallows it.
    Who knows, who is and who isn’t predestined? And whilst we hope and pray that those who are yet to repent, will do so.
    We certainly hope that God
    has predestined them in accordance with their own wise free will.
    This likeable 20 year old philosopher who possesses a goodly share of reasoning powers might be predestined.
    But who knows.
    How real can you be?
    There are:
    8.7 million species of animals.
    10 thousand species of birds
    30 thousand species of fish
    900 hundred thousand species of insects
    400 thousand flowering plant species
    60 thousand tree species
    And all of the above are absolutely marvellous.
    And hey yeah yeah yeah I get it that there are those who say God didn’t made all of this, but actually is that really being real?
    No no no. That’s not being real.
    God made it. That’s crystal clear.
    But is that because I’m predestined?
    th-cam.com/video/7Qc4IyNiPZI/w-d-xo.html

    • @Laurelwoodfun
      @Laurelwoodfun 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The problem with predestination in my opinion is the Bible verse 1Timothy 2:3-4. Which says " for this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth." Is this is true then how could God predestined, meaning choose who is to go to heaven and who is not. First problem is our free will if we are predestined then we really don't have free will to choose. Second is that very verse, God cannot desire all to be saved and choose who is to be saved at the same time. One has to be true and the other wrong. Personally, I would base my beliefs off of what the Bible says rather than what a man like Calvin said.

    • @paulwilfridhunt
      @paulwilfridhunt 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Laurelwoodfun When you put it like that I agree with you. What you don’t agree with neither do I. However I don’t think you’ve put it quite the right way because predestination does not remove free will. Yes predestination exists but this is my explanation of it.
      I think predestination exists because without it, none would be saved. That’s a big statement isn’t it. But let me try and explain myself as I ramble along.
      Firstly let’s remember that God knows everything. And of course before He created the angels He knew which ones would fall. And therefore we also know that before He created man He knew those who would be faithful to Him.
      I now realise that without getting the life I was given with all its special twists and turns I would never have repented, which was a repentance of my own free will. God didn’t force me to repent.
      But is it fair that someone who didn’t get a particular life that led to salvation, should be condemned. On the face of it we can say that it wouldn’t be fair. But let’s explore things some more.
      Predestination exists because the Bible tells us so. But why does it exist? Could it be that it exists because it’s necessary?
      Maybe the powers of Satan are such that he would have prevented our salvation unless God intervened with a helping hand, which the Bible describes as predestination.
      We should not understand predestination as a function that’s set in concrete because there are two parts to it.
      There is the orchestration of the life of the predestined one that brings them to a place whereby repentance is actually possible. But also without the exercise of the free will to repent it’s impossible. Therefore it has two parts to it.
      But as God knows all things He knows which souls will repent of their own free will if given the perfect opportunity to do so.
      Therefore knowing who will and who won’t, He arranges the lives of those whom He knows will repent, so they can indeed repent and do so of their own free will. He is not forcing it but instead arranging so they can.
      Maybe God’s reasoning for alerting us to the existence of predestination by mentioning it in the Bible is as follows.
      By knowing of the existence of this arranging of lives by God, described in the Bible as predestination, we can obtain a solace that we wouldn’t obtain without this knowledge.
      Though we might be puzzled and be perplexed by those who seem qualified to follow the Saviour but are not doing so, and are disinterested, we do know that God knows best.
      For though we might think that they could be faithful and grateful to Him, nevertheless if God knows that they won’t be, He therefore does not orchestrate their lives so they can, because He knows they won’t.
      But as we are not judge and jury we therefore don’t know who is and who isn’t predestined, for sometimes it’s the most unlikely. Therefore as much as possible we assume that all are predestined though we know it’s actually few.
      Who in their right mind would have ever thought that Saul the persecutor of the early church was predestined.
      And as he never realised this and must have been amazed upon obtaining this realisation, but we too who are now saved are equally amazed at what we have become.
      Therefore we can conclude that God saved us knowing what we would be and not what we were. And as we didn’t know what we would become, namely devoted followers of Jesus Christ, neither do we know who is predestined.
      We never expected to be what we now are but we are very pleased to be these newly transformed creatures in Jesus Christ.
      Thus in our evangelicalistic endeavours we give everyone the benefit of the doubt assuming all could be predestined instead of picking and choosing. And this attitude of being without doubt, makes us more effectual as soul winners as we attempt to win souls believing all can be saved. It brings a vigour to our soul winning endeavours because we believe without discrimination that we can win them all.
      And without this view that all those who come into our sphere influence are potentially predestined, we could be overcome by doubt that the extremely unlikely could eventually embrace salvation. So therefore instead of doubt we hope and pray that in spite of their present antipathy or rebellion to God, they will become saved.

    • @Laurelwoodfun
      @Laurelwoodfun 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@paulwilfridhuntHmmm, yeah. That makes sense. See, yes, I agree with you on the fact of God knows who is going to heaven and who is not. I dont agree with a part of predestination of the fact of since they arent predestined there is no chance they can make it to heaven. So its kinda like we dont have to tell anyone about Christ because if they are predestined then they will find out someway. Does that make sense? Again, I agree with you on the fact of God knows who is going to heaven and who isn't.

    • @paulwilfridhunt
      @paulwilfridhunt 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Laurelwoodfun Laura😊
      Even though predestination seems to be a complex subject, it can be easily understood-but it’s possible to make it more complicated than what it is, by introducing spurious elements that can confuse the matter.
      For instance we shouldn’t be mentioning that some are barred from heaven because they are not predestined, even though technically this is correct.
      But if we say it this way, it gives the impression that some are predestined to go to hell and that seems unfair.
      We need to simplify the explanation and it’s this. God is helping those ones to repent whom He knows will become grateful and faithful to Him. He knows who they are.
      However He cannot help those who won’t become faithful because such help would be futile, as they won’t exercise their free will to repent.
      Actually if they are not going to repent there’s no chance of them going to heaven, is there. And if they aren’t going to repent they are not predestined. God does not predestine those whom He knows won’t repent.
      Contrary to popular opinion predestination is the orchestration of the life of the individual, from birth, by God, which culminates in bringing them to a perfect time in their life, whereby they can indeed repent, and do so of their own free will.
      We could expand on this a lot more but it’s not really necessary to do so. Except to say that God alerts us to the existence of predestination as an explanation as to why the lost are lost.
      And knowing they didn’t have repentance in them we obtain a solace from this realisation which perhaps we wouldn’t have obtained without understanding predestination.

    • @Laurelwoodfun
      @Laurelwoodfun 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@paulwilfridhunt That all sort of makes sense but wouldn't you think If predestination was actually true in the sense other than God knows who and who isnt going to hell, then dont you think Jesus would have talked about it? Becuase thats a pretty major issue that we didnt "find out" about until hundreds and hundreds of years out. Besides, first of all, I am always skeptical of a man made "adjustment" espeacially from someone like Calvin who really didnt at all seem like he was following God in his actions. God is a fair God who desires all to be saved so it seems to me that he would try His hardest for everyone. He died for everyone. All they have to do is except.

  • @JesusFace
    @JesusFace 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have been seeing Jesus's Omnipresent bearded face since I started obeying Christ's doctrine in 2002. I can see his face in all visible things and show most people in some things. I do so on my TH-cam channel.

    • @Laurelwoodfun
      @Laurelwoodfun 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I don't mean to start a 3-year later debate😂 but I cannot agree with you if I am understanding write about what you are saying. I believe you cannot see or know what God Lord Jesus looks like, besides the description in Revelations. And the reason is a few verses in the Bible that I will paste the references down below.
      John 1:18 and John 5:37

    • @JesusFace
      @JesusFace 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I am an English teacher. I correct English 40 hours a week. There is a problem with this sentence and it's not just because it was written roughly 2000 years ago.
      John 1:18
      No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
      John 1:18 Does not make any sense and is less important than what Jesus actually said for a few reasons. First, Jesus didn't say it. Second it should be "No one HAD ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known." Now the grammar makes sense.
      Let's look at John 5:37:
      "And the Father who sent me has testified about me himself. You have never heard his voice or seen him face to face,"
      = HE HAS A FACE.
      AND ITS OMNIPRESENT,
      Luke 17:24 "For the Son of Man in his day will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other."-OMNIPRESENT
      Acts 2:25
      David said about him: “’I saw the Lord always before me. Because he is at my right hand, I will not be shaken.-OMNIPRESENT
      Matthew 26:64
      “You have said so,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”-OMNIPRESENT
      Matthew 16:28
      “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” SELECT, OMNIPRESENT
      {Don't tell me Moses and Elijah constitute "coming in his kingdom." Plus he said "some" of you not a couple of you will see..." Plus he said he would be omnipresent.}
      John 14:19
      "Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live."- SELECT
      John 14:21 "Whoever has my commands and obeys them is the one who loves me. My father will love them; I too will love them and SHOW myself to them." -SELECT
      {Original Greek word for show- -emphaniso= to make visible}
      1John 3:6
      No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.-SELECT
      John 1:47
      When Jesus saw Nathanael approaching, he said of him, “Here truly is an Israelite in whom there is no deceit.”48“How do you know me?” Nathanael asked. Jesus answered, “I saw you while you were still under the fig tree before Philip called you.”49Then Nathanael declared, “Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the king of Israel.
      Jesus said Nathaniel was pure. Matthew 5:8 'Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God.'
      In order to instantly declare Jesus the son of God Nathaniel must have seen Jesus' omnipresent bearded face in the tree trunk, leaves, clouds or something else while he was under the fig tree. Or maybe you have a better explanation for Nathaniel to risk his life by declaring Jesus the son of God within seconds of meeting him? That's my question for you. Why did Nathaniel declare Jesus the son of God within seconds of meeting him?
      I have been able to literally see his omnipresent bearded face since I started obeying him. I prove it with thousands of examples on my TH-cam channel. Find out for yourself if he is real by following his doctrine.
      th-cam.com/users/iseejesuseverywhere
      ​@@Laurelwoodfun

  • @diffgeo23
    @diffgeo23 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Imagination is more important than knowledge" -Albert Einstein
    Anyone who has never invented anything. Anyone who has never taken 5 years to write a book. Anyone who has never done original research does not truly understand the value in this statement. To imagine is to dream, and to dream is to look forward to something that may not even be true. But of course we have some type of evidence otherwise we probably would not hope in it.
    People who have never invented anything don't understand that Einstein's statement is true because knowledge is only acquired through imagination. In other words, faith always comes first, then the facts after having the endurance to suffer through the research of testing "Is this actually true?"
    Andrew Wiles obviously had faith that Fermat's Last Theorem was true before he tried proving it to be so. And his faith was based on evidence. One piece of evidence that grew his faith was that no one was able to find a counterexample (even through the use of supercomputers) since 1637. He also saw the beauty in the problem as a young 10 year old.
    The sad thing about atheism is that, ultimately, it can never be scientifically proven to be true ... because even if it was true, once you die, you will never know it. You will never get to know the mysteries of the universe.
    Christianity, on the other hand, can be proven to be true.

  • @New_Essay_6416
    @New_Essay_6416 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    7:28 oh boy 🤦‍♂️

  • @paulwilfridhunt
    @paulwilfridhunt 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Joe,
    I’ve got a question for you.
    And if you’re going to answer it, I’d like you to delay your response by at least a day or so.
    Why?
    Because I want you to think about it very slowly.
    Not at the speed of light.
    This is the question?
    What is your preference?
    Would you prefer God to exist?
    Or would you prefer God to not exist?
    I still want you to answer the question Joe but until you do I’ll give you my answer ok.
    We as people don’t like being inferior.
    If God exists and is infinitely superior then we don’t particularly enjoy our inferiority until we get taught by God how to handle it.
    The first commandment is all about loving God.
    Why?
    Is God hungry for love?
    No. No way.
    It’s God’s way to help us overcome the effects of our inferiority.
    It’s a way to join forces with God.
    To amalgamate with Him.
    To enter into the synergising process with Him.
    Joe that’s how big the problem is regarding our inferiority to God.
    Ok Joe if you say you’re happy to suffer from infinite inferiority without keeping the first commandment, then with all due respect Joe you’re not being real.
    Here is what I say Joe.
    I say that those who are agnostic or atheist are the way they are in order to avoid their
    infinite inferiority to God.
    You don’t feel inferior to God.
    But you’ve solved the problem by saying there’s no God.
    But it’s worse than that Joe because you aren’t going to be too crazy about the idea of being the you that you are with God in the picture.
    That’s going to be a come down.
    Lucifer got the bullet out of heaven because He wasn’t in favour of the idea of worshiping God because he was deeply and madly in love with himself.
    I hope you answer the question Joe.

    • @paulwilfridhunt
      @paulwilfridhunt 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Robert Wilfred thank you

    • @chad969
      @chad969 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      If he answered that he would prefer god to exist, or that he doesn’t have a preference on the matter, would you believe him?

    • @paulwilfridhunt
      @paulwilfridhunt 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chad969 no

    • @chad969
      @chad969 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      paulwilfridhunt If, hypothetically, the desire for god not to exist is not the only reason people disbelieve in god, how would you know? Would you ever come to recognize that fact, or would you go to your grave convinced that everyone who disagrees with you about the existence of God is just being intellectually dishonest?

    • @paulwilfridhunt
      @paulwilfridhunt 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chad969 I know because I know.

  • @weedcolorodo7197
    @weedcolorodo7197 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your rigth no can proof gods .....

  • @mackdmara
    @mackdmara 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    He kept hitting you with the Euthyphro dilemma. The grounding in God is the source of those reasons by his nature, not by command circumvents his claim. You kept allowing him to assert you are stuck on one of the horns. Maybe you are, but that isn't required of you. He is right if you keep to that though.
    Second, his arguments end up in subjective ends, you had him there. He answer was that he hadn't considered it (agnostic). Still, there is no grounding for his claims. They sit midair, by his allowance & confession, but he sees no reason to connect the compartments. His box works well as long as he doesn't consider the whole & he doesn't seem inclined to consider it.
    There is the real issue. You are looking at morals & life as a whole & he is only considering this one compartment. Nothing outside of that little box is thought through & he sees no need to connect it with anything outside that box. You want a train of ideas to an end, he just wants one car, engine to be determined at a later date. I don't know if that is clearer, but it is where he ends.
    He is fun to listen to though. Still, his thinking is extremely narrow & I don't think you will gain traction with him until he seriously considers anything outside that box. This was a good airing of views.
    That said, agnostics are worse than atheists to pin down. It is why atheists try to claim it, even though their other theories don't allow for such a claim. They don't have the same kind of claim.
    Still, he doesn't know why those ethics are, beyond his sense that they should be. That is purely subjective & he can wiggle out of any claim you make if he keeps on like that. All he has to say is it seems what he believes is real is in fact real.
    A cloud of vaporized jelly in the sky. Sweet, sticky, & you know when you have walked through it. Still, not something you could bottle.

  • @clinton-m
    @clinton-m 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Relavatist

  • @mmmbbb2267
    @mmmbbb2267 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Joe, it is really simple. What are the odds that the universe came to be by chance? What are the odds that God created the universe? How does God make things more difficult? He makes the most sense.
    Why is it that Joe would be wise enough not to gamble his life savings on high odds at a casino but is willing to risk his eternity by potentially accepting virtually impossible odds on why he came to be? Why is there a lack of consistency? Is it because he is not objectively seeking the truth but rather his own?

  • @shockofGod
    @shockofGod 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    In reality God either exists or doesn't exist. The agnostic puts themselves in a position where they are not claiming either choice thus the agnostic is always wrong. If one wants to be correct in their world view they need to choose one that fits a possible reality. In reality either God exists or doesn't. The evidence is on the side of God existing. If one goes where the preponderance of evidence is one can't really, logically, honestly be agnostic. There is no evidence against the existence of God.

    • @JohnCashin
      @JohnCashin 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      𝐓𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐧𝐨 𝐞𝐯𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐚𝐠𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐬𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐞𝐱𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐆𝐨𝐝.
      You are technically correct but the reason there is no evidence against the existence of God is that whether there is a God or not, either way, there would still be no way for anyone to demonstrate that God does not exist. As I have said many times here before, the only way we would be able to demonstrate that God doesn't exist is if we had a way to demonstrate that a being that allegedly cannot be seen, heard, touched or detected in any way with our NATURAL senses doesn't exist.
      It's impossible for us to do that because obviously, all the evidence that we would try to utilize in order to demonstrate the non-existence of an alleged God is within naturalism, which the God you believe exists ALLEGEDLY transcends, right? Therefore, nobody living within the natural world is in a position to be able to say for sure 'God does not exist'.
      We also can't prove that there isn't anything more than the naturalistic realm either, for the exact same reason., even if the natural realm was all that exists, we can't demonstrate that because, in order to demonstrate it, we would have to employ the rules within the natural realm we accept exists which this ALLEGED other realm doesn't answer to, due to SUPPOSEDLY being outside of it. Once again, it's IMPOSSIBLE for us to disprove its existence on that basis.

    • @chad969
      @chad969 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      So if someone asks me who the zodiac killer was, and I say I don’t know, am I wrong? Of course not. In order for me to be wrong I would have to make a claim about who the Zodiac killer was.

    • @jakobe_
      @jakobe_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JohnCashin could we say the same for theism?

    • @JohnCashin
      @JohnCashin 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jakobe_ In a way, yes, although if God does exist, then POTENTIALLY this being could willfully demonstrate their existence to us. It's all about POTENTIAL, there is no POTENTIAL to show anything in a non-existent being because of the very fact that they are nothing, only SOMETHING that exists COULD provide n theory evidence of it's existence, that's why the onus is on people who believe God exists to demonstrate it because it's impossible to prove a negative but POSSIBLE to prove a positive.

    • @jakobe_
      @jakobe_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JohnCashin out of curiosity what position do you hold atheist, agnostic or theist ?

  • @phoenixgamer1565
    @phoenixgamer1565 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Romans 1:20-23
    For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

  • @bumstudios8817
    @bumstudios8817 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What he is missing is the fact it is God’s very nature. God is an all good spirit outside of our universe. He wants to separate the objectifier from the God when the objectifier is the God. Let’s go down the rabbit whole with him... so then it must be God’s god that objectifies morals... we don’t agree with that but it still fits our worldview of their being a god, nowhere does that fit with “there is no god” because bags of chemicals don’t have objective value.

    • @benjy288
      @benjy288 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It seemed like he was claiming that once someone gives a reason for something that reason exists on its own as some sort of entity.

    • @bany512
      @bany512 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@benjy288 yeah, there is reason and then there is God, absolutely absurd :D

    • @jjccarpentry
      @jjccarpentry 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Chris, I think Joe would ask what are the necessary properties for something to be objective . If it isnt defined with the necessity of a God, then the question could be asked, why think that a God is necessary for something to be objective? Another words why think that it requires a God to act as an "objectifier" in order for something to be considered objective?

    • @jjccarpentry
      @jjccarpentry 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Chris, I genuinely wanted them to delve into what it means to ground something in God's *nature* I think that's where the rubber meets the road for this line of reasoning, and I'm wondering if Joe would have had a parallel argument.
      *edit* @37:00 or so, Joe talks about grounding "reasons that count in favor of a proposition" in the *nature* of the specific things in question on a naturalistic theory, as appossed to God's *nature* on a theistic theory. There seems to be a symmetry that the conversation didn't break. I don't think Cliff explained why the reasons couldn't be grounded in the nature of things themselves on a naturalistic theory, apart from a necessity of a God.

    • @bumstudios8817
      @bumstudios8817 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jared Craig He perhaps could have explained better for sure, but the point is without a god... some god... we are just bags of chemicals evolved to a higher order which means morals are not objective. Joe’s point was trying to separate it from the god by saying the objectivity exists apart from god and even if there is a god, which is kinda intellectually dishonest because again without some god we are just matter and energy still. But it’s crazy how people will play mental gymnastics to make their worldview work on both sides

  • @phoenixgamer1565
    @phoenixgamer1565 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This self-righteous Joe Schmid makes me sick. He will stand before God one day and it will be too late. Hell and The Lake of Fire awaits every Christ rejecting sinner. Period.

    • @doublehockeystix
      @doublehockeystix 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      if he will stand before God one day, then why allow him to make you "sick"....?

    • @phoenixgamer1565
      @phoenixgamer1565 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@doublehockeystix It's a figure of speech. In reality these fools don't see they are believing the very first lie Satan deceived Eve with in the garden of Eden. They think they are God. They have all the knowledge and they decide good and evil. Really tragic they don't see it.

    • @mickeyesoum3278
      @mickeyesoum3278 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You seem awfully satisfied with the prospect of non-believers burning in hell forever. Are you a sociopath, by any chance? *that* makes me sick.

    • @phoenixgamer1565
      @phoenixgamer1565 3 ปีที่แล้ว

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      MASKING MANDATES ARE CONDITIONING THE WORLD TO ACCEPT A MANDATORY COVID-19 VACCINE.
      COVID-19 IS NOT DEADLY LIKE THE MSM CLAIMS. THIS IS ALL PART OF THEIR PLAN FOR THE NEW WORLD ORDER. The ever-rising death statistics are ALL FAKE. They want to deceive the world into taking the Covid-19 vaccine. There is a specific vaccination delivery system that will be utilized and their ulterior motives are pure evil; THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PROTECTING YOU AGAINST A VIRUS. These vaccines from Pfizer/Moderna are going to kill millions of people. They will lie and claim the virus is mutating and becoming more deadly when in reality the vaccines are murdering millions of people. They want to have as many people scared and lining up for the coming Mark of the Beast.
      There is a planned global economic collapse coming and they will switch over the world to one currency: Cryptocurrency-Libra. The WEF is openly talking about "The Great Reset"
      Bill Gates'/MIT is working on an injectable digital ID that combines a payment system and vaccine record INSIDE either your right hand or forehead. They will scan these locations as they are easiest to access. We are being conditioned to OBEY their evil orders so that people will conform to the New World Order. The Bible warned us of the coming one world government, one world religion and one world currency. The Mark of the Beast is Bill Gates' Quantum Dot Microneedle Vaccination Delivery System: It combines a digital ID, payment system and vaccination record inside your body and it is permanent.
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      It was previously believed that an RFID microchip implant was going to be the Mark of the Beast. However, the Bible specifically uses the word in Greek, Charagma, which means etching, engraving or stamp.
      THE MARK OF THE BEAST IS THE COVID-19 VACCINE!!!
      It is going to be Bill Gates' Quantum Dot Digital Tattoo Vaccine Implant. This is exactly what the Bible describes 'Mark of the beast': A tattoo. NOT a microchip!
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      Those that are in denial saying you must also worship the beast in addition to receiving the mark of the beast (vaccine). YOU WILL WORSHIP the beast (Satan) once you receive the mark.The Covid-19 vaccine not only alters your DNA. They are also implanting PVA Hydrogel nanotechnology into you via this vaccine to control your mind and track every physiological function you have. The 5G coming out is a part of all this; They will link your mind to the cloud and have complete control over you. You won't be aware of any of it. Satan wants to be like God, only he wants to control you-not give you freedom like God does. Check the technology in the link below:
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      The Pre-tribulation rapture is a LIE that Satan got many Pastors deceived into preaching. Many Christians will fall away and accept the Mark of the Beast or will not be prepared to survive by stocking up on food/supplies/etc when the Tribulation begins.
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      Their plan is the one world government, one world religion, one world currency.
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      Mark of the beast ID/payment system has already begun in Africa. It will be forced upon the rest of the world, including USA once the Covid-19 vaccine is produced.
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      Bill Gates' Trust Stamp, Mastercard, GAVI Mark of the Beast and Beast System
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      The Bible, specifically in The Book of Revelation (Final chapter in the Bible) has foretold the end times events in which every person in the world would be required to accept what is referred to as, "The Mark of the Beast." It states that no one would be able to buy or sell unless they receive a mark on their right hand or their forehead.
      Revelation 13:16 And he [Antichrist] causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
      Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

      Revelation 13:18
      Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.
      Revelation 14:9-11
      And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
      You MUST NOT ACCEPT THE COVID-19 vaccine because it WILL ALTER YOUR DNA. I believe it will be Inovio Pharmaceuticals that produces it because they are working on the only DNA based vaccine (Others are RNA, but DNA is more stable and does not require refrigeration.) Also, Inovio has CELLECTRA technology that will allow their DNA vaccine to penetrate your cells to permanently ALTER YOUR DNA FOREVER! By accepting this Covid-19 vaccine (Mark of the Beast) you will no longer be in God's image and therefore no longer eligible for Heaven. This is why those that accept this vaccine go to HELL!!! Do NOT let anyone deceive you. Christians will be here when this vaccine is available and YOU MUST REJECT IT! Or, go to Hell if you take it! Choose Jesus Christ and be with Him forever instead!
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      Accept Jesus Christ as your Savior before it's too late. Jesus Christ is God, your Creator. God loved you so much that He became the man, Jesus Christ (Fully God, fully man) 2,000 years ago. Jesus' birth was prophesied about 700 years in advance in the Bible in the book of Isaiah. Jesus fulfilled more than 300 prophecies during his ministry on earth. Jesus Christ lived a perfect, sinless life and he proclaimed to be the Messiah. He allowed Himself to be crucified on the cross of Calvary. He rose from the dead 3 days later exactly as he said he would. After having been resurrected from the dead he was witnessed by more than 500 people at one time over a period of 40 days before ascending back to Heaven. Jesus Christ is God and he proved this when he rose from the dead; Only God has the power over life and death. He willingly allowed Himself to be crucified so that your sin debt to God was paid in full and you could be forgiven.
      Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to Heaven.
      1 Timothy 2:5
      For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.
      John 14:6
      Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
      John 3:16-17
      For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
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      If you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
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    • @mickeyesoum3278
      @mickeyesoum3278 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@phoenixgamer1565 will you chill? Every single generation there's always people saying it's the end times. It's been the end times for over 2000 years now.
      I criticized the seemingly heartless way in which you apparently gloated over the idea of that man burning forever in hell simply for not believing. Then you went on a crazy rant about masks, vaccines, etc. You're out of my reach, so all I'll recommend is for you to pray some more, be more Christ-like, and not think too much about this whole Bill Gates stuff.