@@96MasterOfPuppets96 Are you saying that ICE cars are not losing value? The reason to buy EV because it virtually requires no maintenance and much cheaper to run if you not using fast charging every day which is true for most people
@@LatutaEV what you're saying simply isn't true. It is absolutely not cheaper for most people to run an ev over an ice alternative. Even the most basic EVs are over £30k and desirable ones are often £50k upwards. Electricity in the UK is not cheap, especially if using public charging and getting a home charger now costs over £1k for installation. I know someone who bought an electric Peugeot 208 for £32k 18 months ago. He did 10000 miles and then wanted to trade it in for something else as it wasn't getting the advertised range. The dealer offered him £16k for it. An ice 208 costs over £10k less than an electric one and is worth more used with the same mileage. None of this makes financial sense. EVs are for people who have more money than sense, don't need to drive very far and want to feel like they're doing something good for the environment while still taking several international holidays a year. No amount of green washing will change that.
@@96MasterOfPuppets96 I have VW ID3 and my electricity charges about 20 per month. Although I change mostly at work at a reduced rate even 40 per month would be much cheaper than the 280 per month I used to spend on diesel. I had Citroen DS4 before and in addition to service I spent about 2-3k a year on repairs. Now, I still can charge for free at some shopping centres for example Westgate in Oxford. Can you fuel your car for free?
@@CropCircleCritic He does indeed, while remaining completely blind to the 300 or so ICE cars which catch fire in Britain every day......(approximately 10'000 per year) Geoff made a huge thing of the Luton airport fire, started by a diesel Range Rover. If he'd bothered to check the online call-out log for the Bedfordshire Fire & Rescue Service (any one can check it - it's free) he would have seen that the Bedfordshire crews had attended almost 1300 ICE car fires in 2023. They had attended zero EV fires.
@@LatutaEV They won't because that will cause costs to skyrocket. Now you know why solar panels and Lithium Batteries are so cheap right now, because the people that produce the stuff don't care at all about the environment and ethics. The average person could never afford ethically sourced greenie claptrap. You need the slaves, bro.
These people are like those people in the time when the first car was made, but they were so angry at technology that they wanted to continue riding horses and donkeys, where they tried in every way to stop the evolution of transportation. Funny people 😄
Yes you are spot on there, the funny part is that they all repeat the same things they don't fully understand, something that they have heard or read somewhere.
I'm not for gasoline being eradicated I mean you can argue whatever point you want to no just to say this before I start I'm not against electric vehicles I think they're badass I'm in the process of putting a car together now actually it would be a welding truck I'm sourcing a 50 kilowatt 480 generator so then I would have something similar to Ferdinand Porsche first vehicle which was gasoline Electric the harsh reality of electric vehicles is in the United States we don't have the infrastructure to charge electric vehicles the infrastructure would consume more fuel oil propane Natural Gas then we can produce if you're going to be efficient at charging a car it's got a charge at 150 k the superchargers charge at 160 a Tesla truck charges at a million five ya think about that that's not realistic or practical now if everybody had diesel Electric then my figure show 40 to 50 miles a gallon now that is very sustainable but as far as saying that if everybody drove electric vehicle right now we wouldn't be swapping anything we would still be burning the same amount of hydrocarbons for power a grid that doesn't exist now will prowse I've been following him and I'm in the process of building my own battery packs and solar chargers where I'm not relying on the grid but as you well know most people aren't capable of doing that for themselves and to put that in perspective what they call a Tesla wall is 13,000 k which is a supplement to a house at the expense of $20,000 most people can't afford that and there's no way in hell that that system is going to charge your car it doesn't even feed your home with full electricity but there are options and I'm for them options that's why I like diesel Electric just like a freight train they claim they can take one ton of freight 400 plus miles on 1 gallon of fuel
I am sick of you EV apologists conveniently ignoring the facts these things take 6 x more resources to produce than an ICE vehicle and are very expensive to own and repair which places them out of the range of most ordinary working people not to mention the woeful inadequate charging infrastructure. I am staying with my old car thank you very much.
David, Which EV did you have which was expensive to own and repair? I've had my EV for 3 years now, and it still has 4 years warranty left to run. The only fault so far has been a faulty seatbelt warning sensor, which was repaired under warranty at 2 Months old. No other repairs have been needed. It costs me around £6 to £7 for a full charge in my Kia EV, and that does me around 240 miles. If I stick with home charging, I can cover 1000 miles for less than £40. Show me a petrol car which is cheaper than that to run....Servicing is cheaper too. My last service cost £68.
@@LatutaEV He just made it up on the spur of the moment, to bolster his argument.... "inadequate" charging infrastructure? Over 50'000 public charging connections, and an estimated 600'000 home chargers.....
Not exactly what I'd describe as 'debunking.' Chucking out some rather desperate sounding soundbites in support of the Net Zero religion/ cult feels a bit lacklustre and very unconvincing.
Which part was unconvincing the fact that not much Cobalt or Lithium in EVs or the fact that batteries 90% reciclable, or perhaps that you shouldn't compare 3.4 second 0 to 60 SUV with BMW 318 saloon 😂
You are wrong re recycling .. we can recycle, but it’s too expensive . Batteries have become cheaper and thus recycling isn’t worth it . Unless they have govt funding . In Australia, they are having trouble recycling lithium .. nobody wants due to the fire hazard
Great video with lots of facts & information Keep them coming & the oil fans will shut up eventually I’ve just subscribed to you and looking forward to more of your videos
@@LatutaEV My preference for oil comes not from hatred of EV's (having built one myself), but from having a lifestyle and job which cannot be serviced yet by an EV. I cannot yet replace oil with electricity.
@@LatutaEV Okay but if they are not suitable for everyone, should those people still be positive about EV's, and lie, when their experience is negative ? And should they be called 'anti-EV' just because their personal experience is negative. ? Surely nothing can be 'always positive' ? If EV's were truly great, high mileage users like me would already have one !
Is it true that EVs depreciate much faster than ICE vehicles? Is it true that the batteries in EVs cost so much to replace that it decimates second hand values to a point nobody will want to buy one? Is it true that post any accident, scrapyards have to keep huge distances between electric vehicles thanks to thermal runaway? Is it true that if everyone went to electric tomorrow, multi story car parks wouldn't withstand the weight, not to mention there wouldn't be enough raw material to go around? Is it true that synthetic fuels and more so hydrogen (when they actually crack easy production) are the future, given that there are fuel stations up and down the land which could utilise a storage tank for liquid hydrogen. I would suggest the pinnacle currently is petrol/hybrid and electric only is the other side of the pinnacle. I'm sure for the masses, the sensible choice would be a low mileage or well maintained 8 to 15 year old petrol or diesel car
Hi Steven you seem to be repeating the headlines published in the right wing newspapers. But let me address them one by one. 1. Some EVs were actually appreciating until last year. I don't have exact figures but I believe that diesel vehicles depreciation is worse than EVs. Also you need to look at numbers across the range of models and average the numbers over the last 4 to 5 years. I wonder if you actually have the numbers for the depreciation of EVs Vs ice?
I am not aware of many batteries being replaced on EVs with exception of some first generation of Nissan Leaf as those did not have proper implementation of thermal management of the batteries. Most manufacturers give up to 8 years warranty on batteries so I would say no I don't see this as a problem at all. I have VW ID3 and in 2 years it had almost no capacity loss. I can make about 250 miles on a full charge. Based on this I do not see it needed a battery replacement in 5 to 6 years for sure but in reality probably 10 to 15 years
I can't comment on what is happening at the scrapyards but I know that the insurance industry as well as emergency services are not ready to handle EV issues. But I am sure this can be easily resolved with some training and development of the appropriate processes. After all many issues were raised while changing from horse and carriage to cars as well 😄. All of this is called progress 😁.
Not true multistorey car parks will be fine. If you compare like for like EVs are not much heavier than ice. Please don't compare ford fiesta to electric SUV
Don't even go there with Hydrogen. Toyota was trying to make it work for 25 years and still no hydrogen cars on the roads. Do you know what would happen if a hydrogen tank would explode 😭. I take lithium ion fires and day over this 😂. I made a video about hydrogen cars and why it will never work.
Actually very few models with flawed designs do go on fire. The thing is that the media immediately makes a huge thing out of it. For example no one single Nissan Leaf ever went on fire. Also most new designs if Tesla's are ok now. If you look at the percentage of ICE cars going on fire it is actually higher.
ICE cars are literally 60 times more likely to burst into flames, especially the older ones. Source: NTSB and BTS. Your “drive it ‘til the wheels fall off” car is more likely to burn down the neighborhood than your neighbor’s EV.
@@rogerphelps9939 - only because, at present, there’s not many around, compared to the 33,000,000+ ICE cars / vehicles on our roads. So that’s a nonsense.
It has been shown conclusively that the probability of an individual EV catching fire is much less than the probability of an equivalent ICE catching fire. That means that, if all ICE cars were replaced with equivalent EVs there would actually be fewer car fires. Now have you got that into your head?@@timhicks2154
I am planning to make a video about a ship on fire. It is another piece of misinformation. The ship was transporting 3783 cars and only 498 of those were EVs. It is not clear how the fire started. Someone made up a story that EVs actually started fire - this is unknown at this moment in time. It could be that the fire source was not connected to cars and especially EVs
@@LatutaEV Doesn't matter how the Fire Started, The ship is a third full of these "So Called" Environment Saving Monsters, If this ship goes down, It will make the Exon Valdez Look like nothing by Comparison. EVS are A Joke and anyone that owns one thinking that they are saving the planet is STUIPID
Blatantly wrong facts? Either it's a fact or it's not. You dont have wrong and right facts. only facts which by default are true. But here you are trying to divert to phones laptops petro chemical industry etc. Like it or not mining mineral at demand rate for batteries is wrong whether it be lithium or colbalt. As for recycle 2nd use does drag out the last bit of life out used batts but it's hardly bare bones recycle. What company's are recovering minerals from batteries now? As for the car used what I've notice here in the UK nearly all EV are stupid 400bhp suv insanely priced luxury cars. Where are the ordinary cars? Company's are not making them. Well we will have to agree to disagree but EVs are not green as made out to be and that's a fact.
Hi Phil I take you "wrong fact" comment on board and rename them into false statements. If you watched the video attentively I have shown that most EV batteries are using very small percentage of Co and Ni, while phone and laptop manufacturers use 100% cobalt in their batteries because energy density is very important in their application. Why no one is going after them? I disagree with second life batteries as Geoff was stating the EV batteries go to landfill after use in EV. Again if you watched the video attentively I talked about Redwood Materials they do separate used batteries into pure elements and supply them to EV manufacturers. Again I completely disagree with all EVs are 400 bhp. The Volvo C40 recharge itself is available in two variants RWD 238 bhp and twin motor 406 bhp. However the author of the article picked the one that was twice in power and acceleration and comparted it to the lowest spec BMW 3 series . I am myself driving VW ID3 which is equivalent to VW Golf. It is slightly more expensive than petrol equivalent but much cheaper to run. And you can't recycle any fuel that you burn , right 😂.
i agree as the waste product of lithium is a cyanide based also when batteries burn they release a array of nasty stuff ethane, methane, butane, hydrogen cyanide etc i 2g battery is less damaging than a 800kg battery
@@LatutaEV totally agree there are more ice fires than ev fires. But there are far more ice than ev currently on our roads. Also ev fires are almost impossible to extinguish and cause extreme pollution. If we all drive ev(which won't happen) look at the volume of vehicles (driving or parked or in traffic jams) today. The potential for 1 ev fire to spread from car to car across a whole town,city, is terrifying. They are not the future just as the small deisels promoted heavily in the Blair days were not the future. The future is a complete ban on private motoring and the freedom it brings. The ev agenda is being pushed to facilitate this plan. Infrastructure not viable, for many: home charging, range and price not viable. The futures not electric the futures dystopia. Wise up, rise up,fight the power!!!!
as an ex ev owner from my point of view (whilst also working in the trade) and my wife has still got hers im afraid he seems to have got it right also with the recent paper brought out about from a university on the misconception of ev cars on health i think he has a valid point also the wife will be returning hers in 6 months as the battery has lost range in real world motoring so its ok for you to spout about battery life but i think you need to fact check first
I am an EV owner myself. It is VW ID3, I had it for two years and so far I don't see any battery degradation. When it was new I could get 250 real world miles on the full charge and I had to do the same recently and got the same milage. I was driving normally - no crazy accelerations but not going slowly at the same time. But my main points abut this video is not about milage comparison but misinformation that people spreading about EVs. Not that much Cobalt in the EV batteries. Don't go comparing rather large SUV that does 0 to 60 in 3 seconds against smaller salon fitted with the smallest diesel engine. Pick BMW X5 for comparison, although fastest can only do 4.6 seconds. I am curious what EV did you have ?
@@LatutaEV we had an ID3 and the mileage was shocking as a daily driver and took it back as it had no end of issues and broke down in several occasions including a complete shut down on the M6 ... I had the ioniq and that was horrific so yes I fully appreciate what's being said so ...
@@LatutaEV yep without a shado of doubt .. I now have a car that weighs half as much and is only 1400cc that will cover close to 590 miles on £51 of diesel.for me that Bristol to Edinburgh and part way back ... . I will let you work that out
Geoff is known for his misinformation, he makes all these vlogs and fabricates stories purely for view same as his other clickbait mate Lee Davey they should be removed from TH-cam for talking nonsense
@@LatutaEV it’s bad TH-cam doesn’t do anything about it, I’m not an EV owner but I know bullshit when I see it and this guy is full of it. What I don’t get is how people are stupid enough to believe it maybe I just answered my own question 😂
@@superfoxes7204 Yes I decided to do my video after I have seen how many people commenting thanking him for the info he is putting out. But also check how many negative comments and dislikes I got on this video.😅
I will put links to the reports, I don't think that he has any funding apart from University funds 😕. If you watch my recent video about Clarendon communications report funded by Aston Martin and Bosch you will see how those manipulate the data to present figures the way they like.
This is the thing about mining the people that are against lithium are 100% for coal I don't know if they realize where they get the coal from or not they get it from digging holes in the ground for y'all that don't know so they're going to be digging holes in the ground to harvest coal or to harvest lithium so we're going to be digging holes in the ground one way or another so if you're not for the lithium because they're digging holes in the ground then you should also try and boycott coal as well as far as child labor goes I started working at 13 years old I was very delinquent kid so they put me to work I got to keep all of my money which was the mistake of my parents behalf again I was irresponsible and the money probably would have been better putting in bank account somewhere so if the kids are earning their own way I'm good with that because it was that work ethic that has kept me preserved today if it wasn't for the decision made by the judge in my parents I would either be dead or I would be in prison forcing a child to work slave labor in a mine sifting through toxic chemicals barehanded I don't think adults would enjoy doing that and I am 100% against that thing however a 13 year old kid is more than capable at doing a lot of things the education I got on the roof was for superior to the secular education I was getting in school when I attended
The thing is that people call it Lithium ion battery but lithium is like a dressing sprinkled on a salad. The should have called it Ni/Co Mn copper battery!
Given I have an EV and an ICE , my honest opinion with EV .. unless you are a Tesla fan boy .. don’t bother .. EV are cars for the well off .. my model 3 does half the km of my ice . And is 3 times more expensive.. insurance is double my ICE If you can lease pre tax dollars , it’s worth it .. if you can’t or can’t self charge .. stick with Gas
@@LatutaEV my parter got around 6k government incentives. With salary sacrifice she saves a few hundred in tax as well . Unfortunately my Employment doesn’t offer lease or salary sacrifice.
I'm sorry, but I struggle to see the environmental argument for battery operated cars, and it would be very wrong to ignore or play down the environmental impact of mining for materials needed for the batteries themselves. The biggest impact a vehicle (regardless of fuel type) has on the environment is during manufacture and end of life recycling. In between those two events, the carbon footprint of a vehicle is actually relatively small. If we're serious about caring for our planet (and we blooming well should be), then we need to be looking after and extracting maximum use from the vehicles we already have. Using up finite resources in order to produce more and more new stuff we don't really need is pointlessly wasteful, and has a much more destructive impact on the environment. Planet degradation is not something we can consume our way out of. It requires a much more intelligent solution.
I am surprised that you cannot see the difference between 95% recyclability of the batteries vs 0% of the fossil fuels. 90 to 95% efficiency of the electric motor vs 20 to 30% efficiency of the ice engine.
@@LatutaEV Petrol and diesel cars are fully recyclable, and have been for a very long time. EVs however, are not. Nor are they anywhere near as efficient as some would have us believe. I did quite a lot of research, contacting every recycling company in the UK, posing as someone with a dead Nissan Leaf battery I wanted to have recycled. Not one could help me.
Who do you believe but l keep driving my 1997 Toyota Hilux with its carburetor and lack of a cat converter it will go on for years and still drive it around were l live in Australia and thst is real freedom
I am all in for freedom as long as you are not peddling all sorts of lies about alternative technology that doesn't suit you for commercial or personal preference reasons.
@@LatutaEV There are two sides to the discussion on EVs there are a lotif disadvantages to EVs and a lot of advantages the big question is how good are they for the environment but the disadvantages out way tge advantages at the will change if things improve but with petrol and diesel vehicles the advantages as out wiegh the disadvantages of petrol and diesel vehicles we own two petrol vehicles a 2021 Suzuki Beleno GLX a very good car and economical 40 to 50 mpg and a 1997 Toyota Hilux uts 26 years old its carbon footprint as long disappeared and in Australia if our car is reliable we keep them we do buy new cars but there are cars 10 20 and 30 year old cars driving around still going down the road passing there yearly regestration inspection for light vehicles over 5 years old and they are strict but no emissions testing l see them every day when l go for a drive and of course they are old Toyotas Holden Comodores and Ford Falcons people keep them because they are reliable and this a problem with EVs they don't last that long maybe 10 years how good is that for the environment where if a car is 20 years old makes it more environmentally friendly than a new EV and these older cars sell l have seen two Toyotas sell both with 980000 kms on them one 22 years old and the other one was a 1997 Toyota Hilux and it sold very easily could an EV that is 26 years old and do 980000kms no it would be scrapped and thats another thing the carbon emissions caused by recycling EVs and tge EVs in China catching fire regularly how environmentally friendly is that they burn longer are much harder to put out than a petrol or diesel vehicle and petrol and diesel vehicles don't catch on fire that often and petrol and diesel cars have been around for over a hundred years and l will never buy an EV
What will heavyweight EVs drive on without oil ? Tar/bitumen is the waste product from petrol/diesel production. If you want bitumen you have to make petrol/diesel first
@@LatutaEV don't really need it 30 years ago you could fix a car on you're drive now you have to take it to a dealership also evs are useless for long-distance travelling
@@mikeyfoxley7997 this is pretty poor logic don't you think 🤔. Ice cars have hundreds of moving parts, EVs have less moving parts than you have fingers on your hands. The only part that can degrade is a battery. If you have a modern EV with a well designed battery it will last a million miles .
@@LatutaEV cars aren't built to last these days soon as something goes wrong cost a fortune to fix time will tell but definitely don't see an ev lasting 30 years to.much to go wrong with them
@@LatutaEV claiming ev's have less moving parts than fingers on your hands proves without question you know nothing about cars, or maybe are an alien with thousands of fingerlike appendages. Either way I don't think your qualified to make videos about cars.
The video wasn't about proof that EVs or ICE are better or worse but about correcting misinformation about EV. Clearly some people don't like them and as a result spread lies about EVs. Regarding depreciation until last year EVs were holding value very well due to short supply. Now this was corrected plus Tesla started the price war by reducing price for new cars of course this affected used car prices as well. Are you saying that ICE cars don't depreciate?
Please get better information for arguments. Electric is about 40p per kWh in the Uk not 16p.we need to go greener but we need to also use the right facts to get everyone to go green as well.
I am quoting the night rate as it was in the article. I pay a 20p night rate, while I always charge at work where I pay 10 p . My charges for moth about 20 pounds.
@@LatutaEV there is no such thing as night rates in the uk its all flat rates and when our energy company asked if we own an eve we said yes they tried to put best tariff which is the same as day rate adding to that our village has been told not to fit chargers as the cabling from notional grid isnt strong enough so the now wife now charges at work and we had our charger removed
@@vandamonium1731 How are they cashing in? A quick Google reveals that Octopus Go for my area would be Night (04:30 - 00:30) 9.5p per kWh and Day 29.78p/ kWh. I'm not sure how that's unfair? My Economy 7 tariff is 17.5p night and 36p day. So points to take away: a) There are absolutely are night rates available, you're wrong claiming that there are not. b) They're not cashing in unless you can explain that c) You can change provider.
@@LatutaEV if we we force EV via government regulations we will end up with crap cars .. let them compete and beat ICE cars / If we give them a free hit, we will end up with shit cars
Yes I expected that because the TH-cam algorithm is serving this video to the die hard Geoff followers. They would of course prefer to hear EV doomsday stories rather than truth.
Good attempt at a debunk but all of your information is also case specific. If I can get an EV that can give me the benefits of diesel I'll be happy but EV's just aren't there yet for me
Well EV consumption is an equivalent of 100 mpg and more. This is a benefit where diesel maximum 60 mpg. I charge at work on a cheap tariff so my monthly bill is about 20 to 30 pounds. This is a benefit isn't it?
@@chrisbarron5861 You mixed things up a bit. The fact that EV is twice more economical is a benefit. Not everyone travels 100 miles every day. On average in us people travel about 50 miles, while in Europe this figure is lover. It is a great benefit for me as I travel to work and back about 16 miles each way. My monthly bill for the electricity is about 20-30 pounds. You seem to be mixing different things for the sake of argument. My VW id3 can do 250 miles on a full charge. I can travel anywhere in UK with just about one stop to charge. From the most southern part of UK all the way up to the northern part of Scotland is 600 miles. This type of trip I would unlikely to do but for me could be done with 2 stops. The latest EVs come out with 350 -400 miles of range they could do it with one stop
Please understand that with EV you mostly charge at home. I charge at the supercharger only 3-4 times a year. I thought majority of the population in Australia lived in houses? Do you live in a flat yourself?
@@LatutaEV same here with my M3 .. I certainly couldn’t recommend someone in apartment or can’t charge from home buying an EV . Would be far cheaper buying an ICE . Also they say EV Re cheap .. friend shave had display and headlights go .. thousands to repair .. great cars .. but only if you are cashed up
my wife has an e208, claimed range of 215 miles, 2 years on its showing 175 on a full charge and if you do motorway speeds your looking to recharge after 115 miles. ok for a local run around, crap for everything else also when people talk about home charge rates they always forget to mention the charger install cost and when quoting cheap EV night time charge rates they never mention unit price is more expensive at other times
I am not sure what charger you are using I got mine covered by OLeV Grant . I get 250 miles from my id3 on the full charge. I charge it at work at half price and hardly use my charger at home.
If you don't realise it's just a war on the motorist you're totally lost. The rich will be able to afford to travel but the poor won't. By the way when every thing is running on electric they'll put prices up and you'll have no alternative. Good luck.
I disagree, when humanity changed from horse and carriage first cars were only accessible to the rich but look at it now 😉. EVs have been around only a few years, give it time the price parity will be reached soon
So how does having to replace the battery every 4-5 years, at a cost of thousands of pounds make economic sense? You don’t have to replace a car engine every 4-5 years.
Do you know many people that have to replace the battery every 4-5 years? My understanding is that most manufacturers guarantee batteries up to 8 years.
How did you get that nonsense. Ev Batteries are GAURANTEED for 8 years and research show they will last longer then 15 years. Tesla say their batteries will last for the life of the car. You just need to check the facts before posting otherwise you look like an idiot
@@LatutaEV The guarantees are very specific, I've seen 70% state of health mentioned, on an 8 year 100,000 mile warranty, which means that if you don't drive 100,000 miles in 8 years, and/or the battery SOH stays above 70% (70% of original range remaining) then you can have just 72% of the original range and not qualify for a new battery at 8 years. It's not an 'any reason at all' warranty. Far from it. So in your example of a Tesla with 240 miles range, which on a cold day on a motorway falls to 200 miles probably, 72% SOH means your cold day highway range can be 144 miles, and at that range you would still not qualify for a new battery under warranty. There is a well reported example of someone with a Tesla who still has 95% of the original range after 100,000 miles of travel. But their special situation is that they never charged above 80% and never depleted the battery below 20%, so only ever used 60% of the range, which translates to never driving over 144 miles in a car which has a new range of 240 miles.
EVs are much safer by design, much higher crash safety, more efficient 95% efficiency while ICE 30% EFFICIENT. EVs are more dynamic and easier to drive and much cleaner. All forms of transport will become electric ⚡
@@LatutaEV - safer by design? Oh, right. That must be why our local Motorway was shut for 3/4 of a day when 3 EV’s spontaneously combusted on a car transporter. So safe that, if in a crash, no one wants to fix them & no one wants to fix them. People just believe the lie of EV’s for all. So where is the charging infrastructure? Where are the extra power stations. After all, EV fuel looks remarkably like coal from what I can see. Virtue Signalling is what it is. You’ll be telling me we need less CO2 in Earth’s atmosphere next, as the planet is overheating 😂😂
@@timhicks2154 What I meant EVs are safer in a crash as the battery structure is low on the floor and there is no engine at the front which usually tends to move towards driver and passenger during the crash. There are so many examples where Tesla was totally destroyed while the driver and passenger walked away unscaved. Most EVs have very high crash ratings. Although this is still early days and emergency services do not know how to deal with EV fires. They were saying the same things when switching from horse and carriage about ICE cars going on fire and exploding.
@@timhicks2154which country are you in? UK coal contribution to the UK grid is no more than 1% so that's odd to believe that EVs are powered by coal. That tells me enough already.😅
Even if you ignore climate change, EV's are essential to the future of personal travel. Oil production has peaked. Oil consumption has not. That means that fuel prices will rise faster than inflation for the rest of our lives unless oil consumption is curbed. Without EV's, a full tank of fuel will be unaffordable within a decade or two. However, if every non-petrolhead buys an EV... Every little old lady doing her shopping, every parent taking the kids to choir practice, every commuter going to work - in that scenario fuel prices plummet. Petrolheads should be screaming for non-petrolheads to buy EV's. Its the only way to save the internal combustion engine.
@@mikeyfoxley7997 EV's are so much more energy efficient, that even if you get 100% of your power from fossil fuels (no-one does, not even Poland, which has the most fossil fuel dependent grid of any developed nation), you still use less fuel that way. Combustion engines are between 15 and 30% efficient. EV's are about 85% efficient or more. On top of that, you need about 7Kwh of electricity to refine every litre of petrol or diesel from crude oil. Most EV's can go as far on 7Kwh of electricity as a combustion engine car can go on 1 litre of fuel. In every way possible, EV's just make more sense than combustion engines now. And the gap is getting wider every day.
Oil production has *not* peaked. They are still finding oil. The numbers you typically get are estimates based on what we have and potentially have available for the time. You think Lithium will actually replace gasoline? Maybe if you pulled some miracle battery out of your butts as EV stans are want to do, you might actually do so, but otherwise gasoline is here to stay for a very long time. There is not enough Lithium in the world to do everything people want to do with it. It's not just how much is in the crust but where it is and who owns it.
Uk grid 250g of Co2 per kWh at night (no solar and wind speed drops to 25%) transfer efficiency of grid 90% charge to road efficiency of aBEV 77% for an average BEV emissions per mile 120g of Co2 per mile. Remote Emission vehicles emit no less carbon dioxide per mile than a petrol car. But the Co2 build costs are far worse.
It has been proven that EV emissions are less for a vehicle with average life time more than 3 years. Did you calculate how much energy spent on oil refining and making various additives in oil. Oil refining is very energy demanding process
@@LatutaEV of course they do 70 to 75% of the energy produced in the uk at night since May has been produced by fossil fuels. Wind has been regularly below 5% 1,2GW per night
EVs are unsuitable for the vast majority of motorists. This is reflected in the massive depreciation in their value. I will never own one.
Massive depreciation is good isn't it. As the second hand EV will become more affordable and as a result more sustainable for more motorists
@@LatutaEV why would anyone buy something that loses half its value within 18 months?
@@96MasterOfPuppets96 Are you saying that ICE cars are not losing value? The reason to buy EV because it virtually requires no maintenance and much cheaper to run if you not using fast charging every day which is true for most people
@@LatutaEV what you're saying simply isn't true. It is absolutely not cheaper for most people to run an ev over an ice alternative. Even the most basic EVs are over £30k and desirable ones are often £50k upwards. Electricity in the UK is not cheap, especially if using public charging and getting a home charger now costs over £1k for installation. I know someone who bought an electric Peugeot 208 for £32k 18 months ago. He did 10000 miles and then wanted to trade it in for something else as it wasn't getting the advertised range. The dealer offered him £16k for it. An ice 208 costs over £10k less than an electric one and is worth more used with the same mileage. None of this makes financial sense. EVs are for people who have more money than sense, don't need to drive very far and want to feel like they're doing something good for the environment while still taking several international holidays a year. No amount of green washing will change that.
@@96MasterOfPuppets96 I have VW ID3 and my electricity charges about 20 per month. Although I change mostly at work at a reduced rate even 40 per month would be much cheaper than the 280 per month I used to spend on diesel. I had Citroen DS4 before and in addition to service I spent about 2-3k a year on repairs. Now, I still can charge for free at some shopping centres for example Westgate in Oxford. Can you fuel your car for free?
You are really clutching at straws here.....wow....
What makes you say that?
And so is Geoff buys cars. He literally sees smoke on the horizon and thinks it’s an EV.
@@CropCircleCritic yes pretty much 😂
Yeah I agree .. both sides tell a few fibs
@@CropCircleCritic He does indeed, while remaining completely blind to the 300 or so ICE cars which catch fire in Britain every day......(approximately 10'000 per year) Geoff made a huge thing of the Luton airport fire, started by a diesel Range Rover. If he'd bothered to check the online call-out log for the Bedfordshire Fire & Rescue Service (any one can check it - it's free) he would have seen that the Bedfordshire crews had attended almost 1300 ICE car fires in 2023. They had attended zero EV fires.
you think African countries and Chine are going to mine responsibly ..LOL
No but I think European countries and the US must put pressure on Chinese and African countries to do so as consumers of their product.
@@LatutaEV They won't because that will cause costs to skyrocket. Now you know why solar panels and Lithium Batteries are so cheap right now, because the people that produce the stuff don't care at all about the environment and ethics.
The average person could never afford ethically sourced greenie claptrap. You need the slaves, bro.
China own the mines , they have no problem with human rights abuses .. they have human rights abuses in most of Chinas industries
These people are like those people in the time when the first car was made, but they were so angry at technology that they wanted to continue riding horses and donkeys, where they tried in every way to stop the evolution of transportation. Funny people 😄
Yes you are spot on there, the funny part is that they all repeat the same things they don't fully understand, something that they have heard or read somewhere.
I'm not for gasoline being eradicated I mean you can argue whatever point you want to no just to say this before I start I'm not against electric vehicles I think they're badass I'm in the process of putting a car together now actually it would be a welding truck I'm sourcing a 50 kilowatt 480 generator so then I would have something similar to Ferdinand Porsche first vehicle which was gasoline Electric the harsh reality of electric vehicles is in the United States we don't have the infrastructure to charge electric vehicles the infrastructure would consume more fuel oil propane Natural Gas then we can produce if you're going to be efficient at charging a car it's got a charge at 150 k the superchargers charge at 160 a Tesla truck charges at a million five ya think about that that's not realistic or practical now if everybody had diesel Electric then my figure show 40 to 50 miles a gallon now that is very sustainable but as far as saying that if everybody drove electric vehicle right now we wouldn't be swapping anything we would still be burning the same amount of hydrocarbons for power a grid that doesn't exist now will prowse I've been following him and I'm in the process of building my own battery packs and solar chargers where I'm not relying on the grid but as you well know most people aren't capable of doing that for themselves and to put that in perspective what they call a Tesla wall is 13,000 k which is a supplement to a house at the expense of $20,000 most people can't afford that and there's no way in hell that that system is going to charge your car it doesn't even feed your home with full electricity but there are options and I'm for them options that's why I like diesel Electric just like a freight train they claim they can take one ton of freight 400 plus miles on 1 gallon of fuel
I am sick of you EV apologists conveniently ignoring the facts these things take 6 x more resources to produce than an ICE vehicle and are very expensive to own and repair which places them out of the range of most ordinary working people not to mention the woeful inadequate charging infrastructure. I am staying with my old car thank you very much.
I would love to know what those facts are? 6 times more resources where does this figure come from?
David, Which EV did you have which was expensive to own and repair? I've had my EV for 3 years now, and it still has 4 years warranty left to run. The only fault so far has been a faulty seatbelt warning sensor, which was repaired under warranty at 2 Months old. No other repairs have been needed. It costs me around £6 to £7 for a full charge in my Kia EV, and that does me around 240 miles. If I stick with home charging, I can cover 1000 miles for less than £40. Show me a petrol car which is cheaper than that to run....Servicing is cheaper too. My last service cost £68.
@@LatutaEV He just made it up on the spur of the moment, to bolster his argument.... "inadequate" charging infrastructure? Over 50'000 public charging connections, and an estimated 600'000 home chargers.....
Not exactly what I'd describe as 'debunking.' Chucking out some rather desperate sounding soundbites in support of the Net Zero religion/ cult feels a bit lacklustre and very unconvincing.
Which part was unconvincing the fact that not much Cobalt or Lithium in EVs or the fact that batteries 90% reciclable, or perhaps that you shouldn't compare 3.4 second 0 to 60 SUV with BMW 318 saloon 😂
You are wrong re recycling .. we can recycle, but it’s too expensive . Batteries have become cheaper and thus recycling isn’t worth it .
Unless they have govt funding .
In Australia, they are having trouble recycling lithium .. nobody wants due to the fire hazard
Look up Redwood materials they recycle the batteries and make profit 😁
@@LatutaEV not anti EV .. foot in both camps haha
Great video with lots of facts & information
Keep them coming & the oil fans will shut up eventually
I’ve just subscribed to you and looking forward to more of your videos
Thank you for your support, I did not get that many positive comments on this video as oil fans were much more vocal on this video 🤔
@@LatutaEV My preference for oil comes not from hatred of EV's (having built one myself), but from having a lifestyle and job which cannot be serviced yet by an EV. I cannot yet replace oil with electricity.
@@chefineer This ok I don't expect EVs suitable for everyone
@@LatutaEV Okay but if they are not suitable for everyone, should those people still be positive about EV's, and lie, when their experience is negative ? And should they be called 'anti-EV' just because their personal experience is negative. ?
Surely nothing can be 'always positive' ? If EV's were truly great, high mileage users like me would already have one !
@@chefineer I don't expect them to be positive but at the same time I don't want them to spread lies and missinformation
Is it true that EVs depreciate much faster than ICE vehicles?
Is it true that the batteries in EVs cost so much to replace that it decimates second hand values to a point nobody will want to buy one?
Is it true that post any accident, scrapyards have to keep huge distances between electric vehicles thanks to thermal runaway?
Is it true that if everyone went to electric tomorrow, multi story car parks wouldn't withstand the weight, not to mention there wouldn't be enough raw material to go around?
Is it true that synthetic fuels and more so hydrogen (when they actually crack easy production) are the future, given that there are fuel stations up and down the land which could utilise a storage tank for liquid hydrogen.
I would suggest the pinnacle currently is petrol/hybrid and electric only is the other side of the pinnacle.
I'm sure for the masses, the sensible choice would be a low mileage or well maintained 8 to 15 year old petrol or diesel car
Hi Steven you seem to be repeating the headlines published in the right wing newspapers. But let me address them one by one. 1. Some EVs were actually appreciating until last year. I don't have exact figures but I believe that diesel vehicles depreciation is worse than EVs. Also you need to look at numbers across the range of models and average the numbers over the last 4 to 5 years. I wonder if you actually have the numbers for the depreciation of EVs Vs ice?
I am not aware of many batteries being replaced on EVs with exception of some first generation of Nissan Leaf as those did not have proper implementation of thermal management of the batteries. Most manufacturers give up to 8 years warranty on batteries so I would say no I don't see this as a problem at all. I have VW ID3 and in 2 years it had almost no capacity loss. I can make about 250 miles on a full charge. Based on this I do not see it needed a battery replacement in 5 to 6 years for sure but in reality probably 10 to 15 years
I can't comment on what is happening at the scrapyards but I know that the insurance industry as well as emergency services are not ready to handle EV issues. But I am sure this can be easily resolved with some training and development of the appropriate processes. After all many issues were raised while changing from horse and carriage to cars as well 😄. All of this is called progress 😁.
Not true multistorey car parks will be fine. If you compare like for like EVs are not much heavier than ice. Please don't compare ford fiesta to electric SUV
Don't even go there with Hydrogen. Toyota was trying to make it work for 25 years and still no hydrogen cars on the roads. Do you know what would happen if a hydrogen tank would explode 😭. I take lithium ion fires and day over this 😂. I made a video about hydrogen cars and why it will never work.
Well, at least EV’s don’t spontaneously burst into flames. 🔥🔥
Actually very few models with flawed designs do go on fire. The thing is that the media immediately makes a huge thing out of it. For example no one single Nissan Leaf ever went on fire. Also most new designs if Tesla's are ok now. If you look at the percentage of ICE cars going on fire it is actually higher.
ICE cars are literally 60 times more likely to burst into flames, especially the older ones. Source: NTSB and BTS. Your “drive it ‘til the wheels fall off” car is more likely to burn down the neighborhood than your neighbor’s EV.
They do it far less often than equivalent ICE cars
@@rogerphelps9939 - only because, at present, there’s not many around, compared to the 33,000,000+ ICE cars / vehicles on our roads. So that’s a nonsense.
It has been shown conclusively that the probability of an individual EV catching fire is much less than the probability of an equivalent ICE catching fire. That means that, if all ICE cars were replaced with equivalent EVs there would actually be fewer car fires. Now have you got that into your head?@@timhicks2154
And Not to Mention the SHIP ON FIRE ion the North Sea FULL OF EVs
Talk about the Exon Valdez
I am planning to make a video about a ship on fire. It is another piece of misinformation. The ship was transporting 3783 cars and only 498 of those were EVs. It is not clear how the fire started. Someone made up a story that EVs actually started fire - this is unknown at this moment in time. It could be that the fire source was not connected to cars and especially EVs
@@LatutaEV Doesn't matter how the Fire Started, The ship is a third full of these "So Called" Environment Saving Monsters, If this ship goes down, It will make the Exon Valdez Look like nothing by Comparison.
EVS are A Joke and anyone that owns one thinking that they are saving the planet is STUIPID
Blatantly wrong facts? Either it's a fact or it's not. You dont have wrong and right facts. only facts which by default are true. But here you are trying to divert to phones laptops petro chemical industry etc. Like it or not mining mineral at demand rate for batteries is wrong whether it be lithium or colbalt. As for recycle 2nd use does drag out the last bit of life out used batts but it's hardly bare bones recycle. What company's are recovering minerals from batteries now? As for the car used what I've notice here in the UK nearly all EV are stupid 400bhp suv insanely priced luxury cars. Where are the ordinary cars? Company's are not making them. Well we will have to agree to disagree but EVs are not green as made out to be and that's a fact.
Hi Phil I take you "wrong fact" comment on board and rename them into false statements. If you watched the video attentively I have shown that most EV batteries are using very small percentage of Co and Ni, while phone and laptop manufacturers use 100% cobalt in their batteries because energy density is very important in their application. Why no one is going after them? I disagree with second life batteries as Geoff was stating the EV batteries go to landfill after use in EV. Again if you watched the video attentively I talked about Redwood Materials they do separate used batteries into pure elements and supply them to EV manufacturers. Again I completely disagree with all EVs are 400 bhp. The Volvo C40 recharge itself is available in two variants RWD 238 bhp and twin motor 406 bhp. However the author of the article picked the one that was twice in power and acceleration and comparted it to the lowest spec BMW 3 series . I am myself driving VW ID3 which is equivalent to VW Golf. It is slightly more expensive than petrol equivalent but much cheaper to run. And you can't recycle any fuel that you burn , right 😂.
i agree as the waste product of lithium is a cyanide based also when batteries burn they release a array of nasty stuff ethane, methane, butane, hydrogen cyanide etc i 2g battery is less damaging than a 800kg battery
@@vandamonium1731You find that ratio of fires for ICE cars is disproportionately higher. The media shouts loudly about EV fires
@@LatutaEV totally agree there are more ice fires than ev fires. But there are far more ice than ev currently on our roads. Also ev fires are almost impossible to extinguish and cause extreme pollution. If we all drive ev(which won't happen) look at the volume of vehicles (driving or parked or in traffic jams) today. The potential for 1 ev fire to spread from car to car across a whole town,city, is terrifying. They are not the future just as the small deisels promoted heavily in the Blair days were not the future. The future is a complete ban on private motoring and the freedom it brings. The ev agenda is being pushed to facilitate this plan. Infrastructure not viable, for many: home charging, range and price not viable. The futures not electric the futures dystopia. Wise up, rise up,fight the power!!!!
@@carlkuss8300 well said you have hit the nail on the head.
as an ex ev owner from my point of view (whilst also working in the trade) and my wife has still got hers im afraid he seems to have got it right also with the recent paper brought out about from a university on the misconception of ev cars on health i think he has a valid point also the wife will be returning hers in 6 months as the battery has lost range in real world motoring so its ok for you to spout about battery life but i think you need to fact check first
I am an EV owner myself. It is VW ID3, I had it for two years and so far I don't see any battery degradation. When it was new I could get 250 real world miles on the full charge and I had to do the same recently and got the same milage. I was driving normally - no crazy accelerations but not going slowly at the same time. But my main points abut this video is not about milage comparison but misinformation that people spreading about EVs. Not that much Cobalt in the EV batteries. Don't go comparing rather large SUV that does 0 to 60 in 3 seconds against smaller salon fitted with the smallest diesel engine. Pick BMW X5 for comparison, although fastest can only do 4.6 seconds. I am curious what EV did you have ?
@@LatutaEV we had an ID3 and the mileage was shocking as a daily driver and took it back as it had no end of issues and broke down in several occasions including a complete shut down on the M6 ... I had the ioniq and that was horrific so yes I fully appreciate what's being said so ...
@@vandamonium1731 I did read that early make ID3 had multiple software issues. I can attest that I didn't have one single problem touch wood 😄.
@@vandamonium1731 Would you say 250 miles shocking?
@@LatutaEV yep without a shado of doubt .. I now have a car that weighs half as much and is only 1400cc that will cover close to 590 miles on £51 of diesel.for me that Bristol to Edinburgh and part way back ... . I will let you work that out
Geoff is known for his misinformation, he makes all these vlogs and fabricates stories purely for view same as his other clickbait mate Lee Davey they should be removed from TH-cam for talking nonsense
Yes unfortunately bad news and scary nonsense attracts more views.
@@LatutaEV it’s bad TH-cam doesn’t do anything about it, I’m not an EV owner but I know bullshit when I see it and this guy is full of it. What I don’t get is how people are stupid enough to believe it maybe I just answered my own question 😂
@@superfoxes7204 Yes I decided to do my video after I have seen how many people commenting thanking him for the info he is putting out. But also check how many negative comments and dislikes I got on this video.😅
@@LatutaEV today in the UK there was another fire at Bristol airport already they are blaming an EV for it, let’s see what Geoff says about that one.
Indeed. MacMaster the Disaster's latest video describes how he was "traumatised" by a breakfast..... Drama queen or what?
Who is funding the reports this debunker is quoting? I have not seen any links. What alternative sources?
I will put links to the reports, I don't think that he has any funding apart from University funds 😕. If you watch my recent video about Clarendon communications report funded by Aston Martin and Bosch you will see how those manipulate the data to present figures the way they like.
Who is funding Geoff?
@@typhoontim125 Good question, I guess he is selling second hand cars so he can see the coming change as a threat to his business
@@LatutaEV Shell oil must be so proud of him.
@@typhoontim125 yes and them too,,😭
This is the thing about mining the people that are against lithium are 100% for coal I don't know if they realize where they get the coal from or not they get it from digging holes in the ground for y'all that don't know so they're going to be digging holes in the ground to harvest coal or to harvest lithium so we're going to be digging holes in the ground one way or another so if you're not for the lithium because they're digging holes in the ground then you should also try and boycott coal as well as far as child labor goes I started working at 13 years old I was very delinquent kid so they put me to work I got to keep all of my money which was the mistake of my parents behalf again I was irresponsible and the money probably would have been better putting in bank account somewhere so if the kids are earning their own way I'm good with that because it was that work ethic that has kept me preserved today if it wasn't for the decision made by the judge in my parents I would either be dead or I would be in prison forcing a child to work slave labor in a mine sifting through toxic chemicals barehanded I don't think adults would enjoy doing that and I am 100% against that thing however a 13 year old kid is more than capable at doing a lot of things the education I got on the roof was for superior to the secular education I was getting in school when I attended
The thing is that people call it Lithium ion battery but lithium is like a dressing sprinkled on a salad. The should have called it Ni/Co Mn copper battery!
Given I have an EV and an ICE , my honest opinion with EV .. unless you are a Tesla fan boy .. don’t bother .. EV are cars for the well off .. my model 3 does half the km of my ice . And is 3 times more expensive.. insurance is double my ICE
If you can lease pre tax dollars , it’s worth it .. if you can’t or can’t self charge .. stick with Gas
Yes I am leasing mine with tax incentives.
@@LatutaEV my parter got around 6k government incentives. With salary sacrifice she saves a few hundred in tax as well .
Unfortunately my Employment doesn’t offer lease or salary sacrifice.
I'm sorry, but I struggle to see the environmental argument for battery operated cars, and it would be very wrong to ignore or play down the environmental impact of mining for materials needed for the batteries themselves. The biggest impact a vehicle (regardless of fuel type) has on the environment is during manufacture and end of life recycling. In between those two events, the carbon footprint of a vehicle is actually relatively small. If we're serious about caring for our planet (and we blooming well should be), then we need to be looking after and extracting maximum use from the vehicles we already have. Using up finite resources in order to produce more and more new stuff we don't really need is pointlessly wasteful, and has a much more destructive impact on the environment. Planet degradation is not something we can consume our way out of. It requires a much more intelligent solution.
I am surprised that you cannot see the difference between 95% recyclability of the batteries vs 0% of the fossil fuels. 90 to 95% efficiency of the electric motor vs 20 to 30% efficiency of the ice engine.
@@LatutaEV Petrol and diesel cars are fully recyclable, and have been for a very long time. EVs however, are not. Nor are they anywhere near as efficient as some would have us believe. I did quite a lot of research, contacting every recycling company in the UK, posing as someone with a dead Nissan Leaf battery I wanted to have recycled. Not one could help me.
Hey! I agree with all of your points! I saw some comments disagreeing with you so wanted to post my support.
Thank you so much, glad to hear that some people in agreement with my view of things 😁
Who do you believe but l keep driving my 1997 Toyota Hilux with its carburetor and lack of a cat converter it will go on for years and still drive it around were l live in Australia and thst is real freedom
I am all in for freedom as long as you are not peddling all sorts of lies about alternative technology that doesn't suit you for commercial or personal preference reasons.
@@LatutaEV There are two sides to the discussion on EVs there are a lotif disadvantages to EVs and a lot of advantages the big question is how good are they for the environment but the disadvantages out way tge advantages at the will change if things improve but with petrol and diesel vehicles the advantages as out wiegh the disadvantages of petrol and diesel vehicles we own two petrol vehicles a 2021 Suzuki Beleno GLX a very good car and economical 40 to 50 mpg and a 1997 Toyota Hilux uts 26 years old its carbon footprint as long disappeared and in Australia if our car is reliable we keep them we do buy new cars but there are cars 10 20 and 30 year old cars driving around still going down the road passing there yearly regestration inspection for light vehicles over 5 years old and they are strict but no emissions testing l see them every day when l go for a drive and of course they are old Toyotas Holden Comodores and Ford Falcons people keep them because they are reliable and this a problem with EVs they don't last that long maybe 10 years how good is that for the environment where if a car is 20 years old makes it more environmentally friendly than a new EV and these older cars sell l have seen two Toyotas sell both with 980000 kms on them one 22 years old and the other one was a 1997 Toyota Hilux and it sold very easily could an EV that is 26 years old and do 980000kms no it would be scrapped and thats another thing the carbon emissions caused by recycling EVs and tge EVs in China catching fire regularly how environmentally friendly is that they burn longer are much harder to put out than a petrol or diesel vehicle and petrol and diesel vehicles don't catch on fire that often and petrol and diesel cars have been around for over a hundred years and l will never buy an EV
Real freedom to kill your grandchildren. What kind of freedom is that?
What will heavyweight EVs drive on without oil ?
Tar/bitumen is the waste product from petrol/diesel production.
If you want bitumen you have to make petrol/diesel first
Will have electric air taxis
@@LatutaEV @LatutaEV just toys for rich boys with a pilots licence, and they'll never be anything more either
@@chrisbarron5861 This was a joke mate take it easy
@@LatutaEV I answered with a joke too...but I guess you're too serious
@@LatutaEV Why is a raven like a writing desk ?
An ev won't last 30 years that's for sure
And on what evidence you making this assumption?
@@LatutaEV don't really need it 30 years ago you could fix a car on you're drive now you have to take it to a dealership also evs are useless for long-distance travelling
@@mikeyfoxley7997 this is pretty poor logic don't you think 🤔. Ice cars have hundreds of moving parts, EVs have less moving parts than you have fingers on your hands. The only part that can degrade is a battery. If you have a modern EV with a well designed battery it will last a million miles .
@@LatutaEV cars aren't built to last these days soon as something goes wrong cost a fortune to fix time will tell but definitely don't see an ev lasting 30 years to.much to go wrong with them
@@LatutaEV claiming ev's have less moving parts than fingers on your hands proves without question you know nothing about cars, or maybe are an alien with thousands of fingerlike appendages. Either way I don't think your qualified to make videos about cars.
What with old ev cars no one wants them.
Where did you get this information from I wonder 🤔
And how about you try and counter act the shocking depreciation of EV cars?
The video wasn't about proof that EVs or ICE are better or worse but about correcting misinformation about EV. Clearly some people don't like them and as a result spread lies about EVs. Regarding depreciation until last year EVs were holding value very well due to short supply. Now this was corrected plus Tesla started the price war by reducing price for new cars of course this affected used car prices as well. Are you saying that ICE cars don't depreciate?
@@LatutaEVall cars were holding good value last year....😊
@@bmorris5863 yes correct and that including EVs
Please get better information for arguments. Electric is about 40p per kWh in the Uk not 16p.we need to go greener but we need to also use the right facts to get everyone to go green as well.
I am quoting the night rate as it was in the article. I pay a 20p night rate, while I always charge at work where I pay 10 p . My charges for moth about 20 pounds.
@@LatutaEV there is no such thing as night rates in the uk its all flat rates and when our energy company asked if we own an eve we said yes they tried to put best tariff which is the same as day rate adding to that our village has been told not to fit chargers as the cabling from notional grid isnt strong enough so the now wife now charges at work and we had our charger removed
@@vandamonium1731What? I have a night rate. Clearly you have no clue?
@@djtaylorutube our energy provider no longer supplies a night rate. Many suppliers are dropping to cash in on the electric vehicle charging rates
@@vandamonium1731 How are they cashing in? A quick Google reveals that Octopus Go for my area would be Night (04:30 - 00:30) 9.5p per kWh and Day
29.78p/ kWh. I'm not sure how that's unfair?
My Economy 7 tariff is 17.5p night and 36p day.
So points to take away:
a) There are absolutely are night rates available, you're wrong claiming that there are not.
b) They're not cashing in unless you can explain that
c) You can change provider.
The new religion ev cars.
I guess you could say that
Battery-powered cars are 👎
This is your opinion which may be different for many people. Have you ever had one?
Biomas isn’t really a renewable either .
Did I say it was?
@@LatutaEV if we we force EV via government regulations we will end up with crap cars ..
let them compete and beat ICE cars /
If we give them a free hit, we will end up with shit cars
Not many likes.
Yes I expected that because the TH-cam algorithm is serving this video to the die hard Geoff followers. They would of course prefer to hear EV doomsday stories rather than truth.
This video does not contradict TH-cam's disinformation policy.
I've got an ev and you a wrong on costs. I'm handing it back asap
I am curious how much you pay per kWh?
@LatutaEV around 15 to 17p a mile but the long stops is just rubbish. I do to many miles . I'm going back to diesal
@@miguelcamara3352 It is your choice, I am all for freedom of choice
No you have not. You are just a clueless stirrer, aren't you?
Good attempt at a debunk but all of your information is also case specific. If I can get an EV that can give me the benefits of diesel I'll be happy but EV's just aren't there yet for me
Well EV consumption is an equivalent of 100 mpg and more. This is a benefit where diesel maximum 60 mpg. I charge at work on a cheap tariff so my monthly bill is about 20 to 30 pounds. This is a benefit isn't it?
@@LatutaEV but I question the benefit of having 100mpg on the highway with a mere 2 gallon equivalent fuel tank.
@@chrisbarron5861 It's a little bit bigger than 2 gallons. First you ask about benefits but now you are demanding perfection.
@@LatutaEV so the benefits arent actually there then ?
Okay thanks
@@chrisbarron5861 You mixed things up a bit. The fact that EV is twice more economical is a benefit. Not everyone travels 100 miles every day. On average in us people travel about 50 miles, while in Europe this figure is lover. It is a great benefit for me as I travel to work and back about 16 miles each way. My monthly bill for the electricity is about 20-30 pounds. You seem to be mixing different things for the sake of argument. My VW id3 can do 250 miles on a full charge. I can travel anywhere in UK with just about one stop to charge. From the most southern part of UK all the way up to the northern part of Scotland is 600 miles. This type of trip I would unlikely to do but for me could be done with 2 stops. The latest EVs come out with 350 -400 miles of range they could do it with one stop
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Great video
Thank you
If you charge a Tesla m3 real world in Australia it’s $40 aud
If I have fill my Tank it’s $50 ( golf gti ) I have both fyi
Is it $40 at home or on the supercharger
@@LatutaEV home is $8 ..
If you are in an apartment and can only supercharge.. an EV is a bad investment
Please understand that with EV you mostly charge at home. I charge at the supercharger only 3-4 times a year. I thought majority of the population in Australia lived in houses? Do you live in a flat yourself?
@@LatutaEV same here with my M3 .. I certainly couldn’t recommend someone in apartment or can’t charge from home buying an EV . Would be far cheaper buying an ICE .
Also they say EV Re cheap .. friend shave had display and headlights go
.. thousands to repair .. great cars .. but only if you are cashed up
my wife has an e208, claimed range of 215 miles, 2 years on its showing 175 on a full charge and if you do motorway speeds your looking to recharge after 115 miles.
ok for a local run around, crap for everything else also when people talk about home charge rates they always forget to mention the charger install cost and when quoting cheap EV night time charge rates they never mention unit price is more expensive at other times
I am not sure what charger you are using I got mine covered by OLeV Grant . I get 250 miles from my id3 on the full charge. I charge it at work at half price and hardly use my charger at home.
@@LatutaEV so EVs cost in if other people "tax payers" or business picks up your costs?
I'm sure that's scalable
Solar storage battery. I charge that at night rate and run the house all day on the cheaper electric rate. It's all about planning.
@@djtaylorutube Absolutely get rid of oil and get rid of tirant states like Saudi or Russia
What car get’s it’s claimed mileage? My Lexus claims 75mpg, I’m lucky if I get 45mpg and that’s driving conservatively.
If you don't realise it's just a war on the motorist you're totally lost. The rich will be able to afford to travel but the poor won't. By the way when every thing is running on electric they'll put prices up and you'll have no alternative. Good luck.
I disagree, when humanity changed from horse and carriage first cars were only accessible to the rich but look at it now 😉. EVs have been around only a few years, give it time the price parity will be reached soon
@@LatutaEV the poor might have to go back to using donkeys if the sheeple don't wake up to what's happening.
@@roadracermark7946 I suppose that is one of the alternatives 🤣
Great video, tnx for sharing :)
Thanks, not my type of video but I couldn't keep quiet but to answer those nonsense statements
I wouldn't trust Geoff as far as I'd throw him.
Yes that is for sure
@@LatutaEV He is a rather unpleasant right winger.
Trust no one.
@@tealbandit72 I would say question things and verify through alternative sources of information
@@LatutaEV hence why watching this rubbish
So how does having to replace the battery every 4-5 years, at a cost of thousands of pounds make economic sense? You don’t have to replace a car engine every 4-5 years.
Do you know many people that have to replace the battery every 4-5 years? My understanding is that most manufacturers guarantee batteries up to 8 years.
How did you get that nonsense. Ev Batteries are GAURANTEED for 8 years and research show they will last longer then 15 years. Tesla say their batteries will last for the life of the car.
You just need to check the facts before posting otherwise you look like an idiot
And neither do you have to replace an EV battery every 4 or 5 years. It will outlast the car.
@@LatutaEV The guarantees are very specific, I've seen 70% state of health mentioned, on an 8 year 100,000 mile warranty, which means that if you don't drive 100,000 miles in 8 years, and/or the battery SOH stays above 70% (70% of original range remaining) then you can have just 72% of the original range and not qualify for a new battery at 8 years. It's not an 'any reason at all' warranty. Far from it.
So in your example of a Tesla with 240 miles range, which on a cold day on a motorway falls to 200 miles probably, 72% SOH means your cold day highway range can be 144 miles, and at that range you would still not qualify for a new battery under warranty.
There is a well reported example of someone with a Tesla who still has 95% of the original range after 100,000 miles of travel. But their special situation is that they never charged above 80% and never depleted the battery below 20%, so only ever used 60% of the range, which translates to never driving over 144 miles in a car which has a new range of 240 miles.
@@rogerphelps9939 Not always It depends how it's abused and used
Explain the actual need for EV’s. That’ll be good.
EVs are much safer by design, much higher crash safety, more efficient 95% efficiency while ICE 30% EFFICIENT. EVs are more dynamic and easier to drive and much cleaner. All forms of transport will become electric ⚡
@@LatutaEV - safer by design? Oh, right. That must be why our local Motorway was shut for 3/4 of a day when 3 EV’s spontaneously combusted on a car transporter. So safe that, if in a crash, no one wants to fix them & no one wants to fix them. People just believe the lie of EV’s for all. So where is the charging infrastructure? Where are the extra power stations. After all, EV fuel looks remarkably like coal from what I can see. Virtue Signalling is what it is. You’ll be telling me we need less CO2 in Earth’s atmosphere next, as the planet is overheating 😂😂
@@timhicks2154 What I meant EVs are safer in a crash as the battery structure is low on the floor and there is no engine at the front which usually tends to move towards driver and passenger during the crash. There are so many examples where Tesla was totally destroyed while the driver and passenger walked away unscaved. Most EVs have very high crash ratings. Although this is still early days and emergency services do not know how to deal with EV fires. They were saying the same things when switching from horse and carriage about ICE cars going on fire and exploding.
@@timhicks2154which country are you in? UK coal contribution to the UK grid is no more than 1% so that's odd to believe that EVs are powered by coal. That tells me enough already.😅
Gas can be shut down, dumb@ss. Have you never seen a run on the pumps?
Even if you ignore climate change, EV's are essential to the future of personal travel.
Oil production has peaked. Oil consumption has not. That means that fuel prices will rise faster than inflation for the rest of our lives unless oil consumption is curbed.
Without EV's, a full tank of fuel will be unaffordable within a decade or two.
However, if every non-petrolhead buys an EV... Every little old lady doing her shopping, every parent taking the kids to choir practice, every commuter going to work - in that scenario fuel prices plummet.
Petrolheads should be screaming for non-petrolheads to buy EV's. Its the only way to save the internal combustion engine.
Thank you very good point
Where is the power coming from? Fossil fuel Still
@@mikeyfoxley7997 Nearly 50% UK grid from renewable sources. If you watch the video I gave figures for last year . This year is expected more than 50%
@@mikeyfoxley7997 EV's are so much more energy efficient, that even if you get 100% of your power from fossil fuels (no-one does, not even Poland, which has the most fossil fuel dependent grid of any developed nation), you still use less fuel that way.
Combustion engines are between 15 and 30% efficient. EV's are about 85% efficient or more.
On top of that, you need about 7Kwh of electricity to refine every litre of petrol or diesel from crude oil.
Most EV's can go as far on 7Kwh of electricity as a combustion engine car can go on 1 litre of fuel.
In every way possible, EV's just make more sense than combustion engines now. And the gap is getting wider every day.
Oil production has *not* peaked. They are still finding oil. The numbers you typically get are estimates based on what we have and potentially have available for the time.
You think Lithium will actually replace gasoline? Maybe if you pulled some miracle battery out of your butts as EV stans are want to do, you might actually do so, but otherwise gasoline is here to stay for a very long time.
There is not enough Lithium in the world to do everything people want to do with it. It's not just how much is in the crust but where it is and who owns it.
Excellent fact based analysis. Hear these arguments all the time. Well done
Thank you so much 😊
Uk grid 250g of Co2 per kWh at night (no solar and wind speed drops to 25%) transfer efficiency of grid 90% charge to road efficiency of aBEV 77% for an average BEV emissions per mile 120g of Co2 per mile. Remote Emission vehicles emit no less carbon dioxide per mile than a petrol car. But the Co2 build costs are far worse.
It has been proven that EV emissions are less for a vehicle with average life time more than 3 years. Did you calculate how much energy spent on oil refining and making various additives in oil. Oil refining is very energy demanding process
@@LatutaEV same as the refining liquifying natural gas that is being transported by tanker to the uk. Bio mass co2 is even counted
@@tobycolin6271 yes of course but EVs don't have this problem
@@LatutaEV of course they do 70 to 75% of the energy produced in the uk at night since May has been produced by fossil fuels. Wind has been regularly below 5% 1,2GW per night
Poppycock straight from the fossil fuel purveyors. My EV runs on nothing but sunshine for 6 months of the year.
At last, someone "TOTALLY DEBUNKING" the anti EV Geoff Buys Cars videos.
Thank you, had to be done 👍
Jeff is a prime example of a dinosaur and we all know what happened to them.
@@alistairlambert3275 Yes we do 😂 unfortunately they are shouting the loudest
but what happened to the first ev's?? and the second genration ev's? also you need dinosaurs to build them
@@vandamonium1731 I don't think that people like Geoff built first EVs 😂
Debunking 😂😂😂 its as laughable as Fact Checkers 😂😂
Haha so funny 🤣
Mobility Scooter Explodes on Cruise Ship and It's Docked And Evacuated 😂
Oh dear, any news about exploding hoverboard 😭