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And keep in mind Nevelle's parents were tortu red till insanity, yet he finds Snape more scary. On a side note I do find it odd that Lupin doesn't gets concerned about what Nevelles could be unlike Harry, because if he manifests extreme torture, be it him being tortured or his parents, that would be so disturbing for everyone in the class and Lupin would have been fired on the spot.
I mean, who is the 'Student Councilor' at the very least? "So, Harry, how does facing Voldemort alone in a room with naught but a Mirror... make you feel?" What LITTLE we see is Dumbledore checking in on Harry Potter when he's in distress, occasionally. Unless it is 'normally' the Responsibility of each Head of House, which we don't really see either. c.c I think it'd quickly lead to Dumbledore being kicked out IF there was a Councilor to go '...what are you doing Dumbledore?' Contrarywise, councilors weren't common in schools in the 1800s as 'Head Shrinking' wasn't very respected, and Hogwartz is VERY much like an 1800s Boarding School... this is because it wasn't considered a 'serious' health issue back then. >.
@@Alex-cw3rz That is true given his traumatic history, but if you recall Lupin does ask him in the beginning what he(Neville) fears the most and Neville confesses that his worst fear is Professor Snape.
@@Alex-cw3rzHonestly I don't think this is the smartest lesson to have even without the threat of war. I mean, imagine how many students would have to witness or experience various forms of death, torture, imprisonment, and shame from the boggart.
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Kinda unrelated, but I think the relationship between Lupin and Harry is portrayed much better in the movie, like it actually showed them relating as two people who lost two of the most significant people in their lives and in the books, Lupin was just a really good teacher
Personally I think Lupin should have been just as close to harry as Sirius if not closer as he got to spend nearly a whole term having lessons and extra lessons with Lupin. While he talks with Sirius a whole what 10 or 20 minutes at the end of book 3 but Sirius is the one Harry decided to keep in contact with while he seems to barely speak to Lupin.
@@conormurphy4328 I think a lot of that was that Sirius was more the of ‘wild, rulebreaking, fun’ whereas Remus was more mellow, methodical, and conservative. I think Sirius’ qualities appealed to Harry more, and he therefore related to him more. Sirius and James were also closer than Remus was with James and so I think that also made him feel more connected to Sirius.
@@conormurphy4328 yeah but it was Lupin's doing, not Harry's fault. Go back and read how Lupin and Harry parted ways in the book and how Harry and Sirius did. Sirius wrote him later, said he will be in touch, encouraged Harry to write too. What did Remus did? He sayin we will meet again. Didn't say he will write or for Harry to do. Just like with Tonks and Teddy he abounds Harry. And Harry is an abused child, unwonted in his aunt's house of course he is not gonna inciate and try to deepen the relationship. He needed someone to care about him and he felt that Sirius did. Not just with words, but coming to be near, writing to him letters, believing that he didn't put his name in and so on. Don't get me wrong I love Remus, he's one of my fave characters, but he has it coming, Harry being closer to Sirius.
Kinda disagree with Lupin on why Harry fears the Dementors. Harry thinks of the Dementor as his worst fear without knowing how they work and that they make you feel fear. But there is one moment in the story where Harry feels fear and doesn't overcome it: In book 6 against the Inferi. He fears them as soon as he knows about them. When they attack him he panics, forgets he's supposed to summon fire and has to be saved by Dumbledore. The fear here (as stated by Dumbledore) is just the fear of the unknown. And when Harry faces the Boggart first the Dementors are an unknown to him as well. He doesn't know how to fight them, he doesn't know how they do him harm and why they harm him more than anyone else. This is a second source of fear that I think Harry doesn't overcome: The fear of being vulnerable/appearing weak before others. He feels embarassed when he learns he's the only fainting from the Dementors and this is a big motivation on why he wants to learn how to fight them. This fear also shows in book 5 first when Harry thinks he's possessed by Voldemort and irrationaly starts avoiding everyone and then later again when he arrives in the department of mysteries and realizes he's been tricked by Voldemort. Instead of getting out of there immediately (which would be the smart thing to do and normally Harry does the smart thing under pressure) he stays and grabs the prophecy to not have to accept that he's been tricked and that his connection to Voldemort can be used against him which would be to accept that he's vulnerable. I don't think we've seen a Boggart from Harry after book 4 (maybe in book 5 during the exams). I think it's quite possible that the Boggart would've changed over time after fighting Dementors several times and knowing more about them. It makes sense that he keeps the Dementor as a Boggart at first even after knowing more about them because Harry doesn't have a lot of other fears, the fear of vulnerability is still associated with Dementors and knowing about the Dementors' kiss probably increased his fear of them again since Harry is wise enough to value his soul. But I think it's possible that after Sirius' death he would've had a similar Boggart to Molly, losing loved ones.
Completely agree with you on both. He shows fear of the unknown and fear of showing weakness. At best I'd say Lupin meant Harry was afraid of being afraid , especially if others knew he was afraid, though I don't really see how that's wise. This line has always bothered me and the video didn't really clear it up for me, but your comment did, so thanks 👍. Whenever I read the books I kind of cringe when this line comes up. It always felt like a line the author thought sounded good so she put it in, but it doesn't really fit.
@@antoniocalado7101 I always looked at it as a line not so much commenting on Herry's being afraid but on how people view voldemort compared to Harry. Voldemort is the biggest baddest evil in the imagination of the British wizarding world. So much so that the mere mention of his name causes almost all of them to have a physical reaction to it. Harry choosing to fear what the Dementor does to him and Lupin's line to me always suggested he is saying there are greater evils to be afraid of then Voldemort, who is still just a man.
I disagree and agree with you. I agree that fear, vulnerability and the unknown are tied together for Harry. It stems from that traumatic moment when he felt incompensible fear as a baby when Voldemort killed his parents/guardians. Harry has a good heart and feels protective of many, but have you noticed that Harry feels that paralyzing fear when it regards protecting a guardian or perceived guardian? When he has to protect himself, Sirius (and Hermione) from the Dementors, "a paralyzing terror filled Harry so that he couldn't move or speak". With the inferi, Harry doesn't immediately fear it, he thinks they're "a horrible idea" when Dumbledore explains what they are. Nonetheless, he panics in the moment when he has to protect himself and Dumbledore from them. With the Department of Mysteries event, he doesn't act with that wisdom we know him to possess but loses sight of how to confirm if Sirius left Grimauld place or not (could have used the mirror) because he believed Sirius to be in danger. I think Harry is very relatable in this terrible lesson as most of us have to work through facing our insecurities step by step. It's no coincidence that Harry refuses Lupin's help in Deathly Hallows when he does to Grimauld place and says he'll be joining the trio to complete the mission Dumbledore gave them - Harry doesn't want to be the cause of Teddy growing up without one of his guardians and having a semi-guardian on his journey. I disagree that he doesn't overcome fear, vulnerability and the unknown - he overcomes it when he willingly goes to die in the forest. He says bye to most of his guardians in the forest, and says bye to Dumbledore when he's in limbo. I think this is where Harry's boggart could change into any of his other fears. Harry's paralyzing fears are situational - it includes fear, vulnerability, the unknown and his guardians. On the one hand, Harry is admirable because he innately appear to be brave and overcomes fears (which he feels like anyone else) that would otherwise paralyze others. On the other hand, this trait may heightened due to his experience of pure fear at the most vulnerable time in his life, that other forms of fear cannot compare, unwittingly giving him a kind of wisdom to see past fear and cherish and perceive clearly that which others would otherlook (to slightly borrow from Hermione).
While on the subject of Lupin vs Snape as teachers: JK has said that the reason Harry was unable to learn Occlumency was because he's too emotional, but personally I also blame Snape's teaching methods, to an extent at least. Lupin would totally have been able to teach him.
I agree - Harry was able to eventually block Snape during the lessons, he had a spark just he had that spark of being able to resist the imperius curse. He just needed someone to nurture that spark and help him learn, and also be respectful about his memories, it's very intimate to let someone go in your head like that, you need someone trustworthy like Lupin or Dumbledore
I think an important point that is not mentioned is the context in which Lupin is giving this quote. he is giving it in relation to the fear of Voldemort. By saying that rather than fearing Voldemort, harry fears, fear itself, he is really commenting on the status of Voldemort. For the majority of the wizarding world in Britain at least, Voldemort is the greatest evil, the thing they fear the most. So much that they refuse to use his name and have both emotional and physical reactions to the mere mention of it. Lupin on the other hand as one of those few that doesn't have this fear is making a comment on the fact that Voldemort is not that big an evil, there are things worse than him that warrant fear and he is just a man.
Lupin's full moon bogart is a good example of a combination of fears. The potential transformation gives him fear of loss of autonomy since he will not be in control, mutilation since he will essentially lose his human body, and extinction since he may kill his loved ones. Ego death as well since being a werewolf makes him a social pariah. And for that matter separation is in there too as he again has to isolate himself to prevent the aforementioned grisly death of all his friends. So ya all of the fears.
Just thought of this when you mentioned Snape needling Neville's insecurity. Is it possible the Snape is extra horrible to Neville because he resents him for not being the one chosen by Voldemort? If Voldemort had chosen Neville to be the One then Voldemort wouldn't have killed Lily?
Dementors kiss is the the soul coming out of the body so maybe the fear was shared by the Horcrux piece of soul of voldemorts and Harry’s fear of fear which showed as a dementor
Another example of Harry not fearing death early on is his conversation with Firenze in the Forest about unicorn blood. Immediately when Firenze explains it will save you from death but you will live a cursed life, he immediately says death would be better. A person afraid of death ( i.e. Voldemort) would consider the cursed life a price worth paying to avoid death.
I love how Neville steps right up. He wasn't a coward. He just never got the opportunity to truly face his problems. When given the opportunity, he immediately acts. He's so much like Harry in that regard. No wonder he was the other potential chosen one
Harry's fear was also his motivation to improve himself every time he faced one, and then to use those improvements to help his friends improve. Consider that his fear of the Dementors led him to learn to cast a Patronus as a third-year, when casting a Patronus is beyond NEWT-level Defense Against the Dark Arts, earning Harry a huge bonus on his OWL exams, and a surprising sidebar in his hearing before the Wizengamot. "A _corporeal_ Patronus?!"
I never understood why he says that to Harry. Dementors make you feel depressed, not afraid. So why is fearing them is fearing fear? Good video though, thanks! ❤
Because the thing Harry fears is not the Dementor itself, but actually the feeling he gets when he encounters one. He fears the fear of experiencing those scenes again.
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The Dementor isn't really the embodiment of Fear, but Despair. If anything the Boggart itself is the embodiment of fear, but of course Boggarts have no form of their own that anyone knows of. The reason Harry hears his mom is because its his worst memory, not necessarily his worst fear, though it might simultaneously be that as well.
My Boggart would be a dinosaur (specifically a T-Rex) around the age of 4 or 5 I had a nightmare of my baby sister being eaten alive by a T-Rex and I couldn’t do anything to save her 😭 ever since then all the way into my early 20s I had paralyzing nightmares that I am fully self aware of during that I couldn’t wake up from. Thankfully I don’t get those nightmares as much anymore, still caused a lot of trauma as a kid
I read FDR’s speech in school last year and I knew I recognized that sentence about fear and couldn’t figure out why because I was pretty sure I had never heard that speech before….I’m just now realizing that it was because it made me think of Lupin’s quote about Harry fearing fear! 😂😂😂
Arachnophobic in therapy here - its not fear of what a spider will do to me. Its pure instinct and physical reaction, emotionally and mentally I know that spiders are great creatures, but when I see them my bode experiences all the symptomps of fear, which makes me unable to interact with the spider despite me knowing its perfectly safe
One of the greatest lessons I've ever learned. Bravery is not the absence of fear but the courage to overcome it! But alas I don't remember who said it😢
Stuff like this is why Harry will always be my favorite character in the series. For someone who struggled with a phobia for over a decade, reading about such a brave kid who "feared nothing but fear itself" was very impactful.
Seems incredibly straight forward to me. "What's the worst taste imaginable? Literally the essence of 'bad taste,' probably." Yeah, that's the worst one.
I always interpreted Harry's boggart as being afraid that he'll want to give up, that he won't be able to keep going. He got to the point where he was interested in and kinda eager for the events of that night to be played in more detail the more dementor attacks went on. Theres a subtle implied suicidal ideation in a few places throughout the series, and this is one of the ones i noticed.
Lupin must be a secret descendant of Franklin Roosevelt. If X-Men can have famous historical figures turn out to be supernatural, why not Harry Potter?
Sure, but I think we can come up with better ones, Leonardo da Vinci. He's pretty cool. FDR was wheelchair bound. If he was a wizard, he would have fixed that.
@@geenkaas6380I think they meant if they were wizards they wouldn’t have needed the wheelchair because they could make things to help him walk if not just straight up fix any issues.
I feel that people forgave Snape for being such a bully that a *13 year old student at his school* saw him as *his greatest fear* All because he loved Harry's mother, her not reciprocating it and then selling out her husband and new born My man might have seen the errors of his deatheater ways, but that only because he was negotiated into it by Dumbledoor Snivelus is a bad guy who was forced to be good Slytherin House deserves better
Y'know, I used to think the boggart lesson was cruel, but a room filled with people while you still have childish fears is best case for fighting a boggart. You wanna face one of those things for the first time alone in your thirties?
Young people can have pretty legitimate fears though (even some that follow into adulthood). Imagine you're a closeted member of the LGBT+ community, your greatest fear (younger or older) would then be "someone outs you". This isn't just a fear that someone will dislike you for your preference/identity but also that someone could physically harm you or reject you outright for just being you I understand that the boggart is just a plot advancement point to Harry learning the Patronus Charm so not a lot of thought went into how damaging this lesson could have been; the focus was mainly on teasing Harry about the dementors but many other students could have been terribly bullied as well. People are cruel.
@@you_already_have_itsee, I kinda disagree here. Yes, outting everyone's fears in front of other classmates might be a problem for potential bullying, but watching your friends and classmates overcome their fears can help rally the next student that they can do it too. On top of that, knowing that other people that you can trust are nearby can also help.
@@torazely it's not just bullying. Worst fear is like dirty laundry of your mind. And then it's out for everyone to see. Students should have an option to choose going inside alone or in a group. Again of course with teacher inside to guide and help. I would choose option to go alone for sure.
@@you_already_have_it I wouldn't. The idea of having to face the thing I fear most all on my own would be even more terrifying. I'd RATHER have my friends, the people I trust, with me to support me.
@12:05 I can imagine a single person being singled out and ridiculed by the government and main stream media, since 2016 there was this one guy, who we were told was the most evil man to have ever lived, and for four whole years they tried to discredit and smear him and in the end they never got through.
If we take the 5 basic fears to the extreme I guess loss of autonomy would be the toughest one for me to deal with. For other fears such as heights, insects, snakes, darkness, closed/narrow spaces, drowning etc doesn't bother me much at all.
Ya know I clicked on this for some nice HP content, and I came away with some personal insights worth more introspection. So thank you for the opportunity for personal growth
I think you missrd why it was wise to be afraid of fear. The main reason it is wise to fear fear is because even in the most courageous heart, Harry, fear can grip you and cause you to make mistakes. It can leave you powerless when you can't afford to be so. An example of Harry's fear overcoming him is in the 6th book. Sirius' death is due to his actions as much as Voldemort's machinazations. Sirius' wellbeing is what made him not open the Christmas present and finding the 2 way mirror. Harry wanting to rush off to save Sirius and putting his friends in danger, especially when Kreacher was able to manipulate him in thinking Sirius was in serious danger. Both of these are times where Harry ignored the warning that he should be afraid of his own fears... all are can fall short if they fail to understand the importance of how they resond to their fears.
Ego death is nothing like what you described, I don't even think you googled what Ego death is. It is scary but not overwhelmingly so however once you have let go and go through the other side it is fantastic. One of the most phenomenal experiences that the true you completely unencumbered by ego can experience in this lifetime.
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Hilariously good timing while watching this vid: you say scared into inaction, my wired headphones gets loose and disconnects and you are immediate in a state of inaction 😂😂😂
The fear of fear seems like it is in the Loss of Autonomy category since to be immobilized by fear is to lose one’s autonomy in a fundamental way. (To be afraid of one loss autonomy doesn’t automatically mean you’d be afraid of them all; you can be fine with going to jail but fear mind control, for example.)
This isn’t really a theory but Snape is a really bad teacher. Harry learnt so much from snapes notebook but did terrible in his lessons, he does nothing to help students, he is constantly picking favourites, the only thing he teaches Harry is exspeliarmus is when he is fighting, not teaching. Also he is one of his students greatest fears
I've never fully understood why Lupin says that a boggart version of Voldemort appearing in the classroom would be SO bad that he could not in good conscience allow it - it's said as if Voldemort *himself* would have appeared, instead of the false representation of him by a creature that, as far as we know, was unable to speak or cast magic or really DO anything other than look scary. I don't know, I'm only a few minutes into this video so maybe there's an answer there that I haven't gotten to yet.
Maybe that's exactly why he rushed to the Ministry to save Sirius. He's very used to battle his fears instead of being paralized by them, and that was used against him .
Rita Skeeter: Do you fear anything Harry: No Rita: Really? I was hoping you can tell me about your fears. Harry: I'm afraid I cant help you. Rita: Aha, write "Harry fears of being helpless"
I want to say that I love the theory that only the marauders can see other marauders is actually really good. if so then how does Snape see professor lupin disappearing from the map off the map that he left open on his desk? I like the theory but after rereading the prisoner of Azkaban just a couple of days ago, this theory came to mind and I noticed the line that snape says and it got me thinking about it. It’s just fruit for thought
Does anyone else think Dumbledore’s Boggart would be Grindlewald? Dumbledore’s fear of Grindlewald revealing the truth about what happened to Ariana and who fired that final spell. Also I think that memories of Grindlewald are what Dumbledore experiences when near Dementors. Both the Ariana business, their discussions on the “greater good”, and his conflicting feelings towards the man. Thoughts?
The idea of Snape wearing a I am Kenough hodie may seem funny but actually Snape never had that understanding that Ken had in the end of Barbie. Snape chose to be bitter about not being with Lily and blamed everyone for it but himself. But Ken unterstood that he was enough without Barbie.
I am rewatching Prisoner of Azkaban and it got me thinking, wouldn’t Snape or Lupin see Harry and Hermione”s names twice in the map before going to the shack? I don’t know if anyone has mentioned it or explained it but it would be interesting if the map identified people that are timeturning so they would only show up once. Love you videos
It may have already been said by someone else but I'm going to say it anyway. I truly think that if Harry didn't have Ron and Hermonie and the other Weasleys's in his life accepting and loving him as their own family, he would have backed down from the war after everything he'd been through. Without them being their to show him time after time that he is loved and valued and not because he's some chosen one he wouldn't have been able to always face the fear he felt. I hope that makes sense
fearing fear means you wont be overwhelmed by it. you are afraid to let the fear take hold so you never act on the fear and instead work to overcome it
I heard of the theory about the Harry mother's scream that Harry hear when dementor is near. As Harry was to young to remember any things that happen when Voldemort killed his parents *that night* it is possible that it was part of Voldemort soul living in Harry's body that was experiencing the fear and re living that moment when he was trying to kill Harrys mother what gave Harry extra protection, Voldemort's part was remembering Lily's scream as that was the worst part of Voldemort life - the moment of loss of power and what's more important - almost death as the death is what Voldemort fears most. What do you think about that?
8:53 "Harry proves [death] isn't a fear of his long before the 7th book, and as early as the 1st one." I'd argue that this isn't necessarily true; Harry does seem to fear death, but it isn't his BIGGEST fear and, as you mention towards the end of the video, he rises up and faces his fear of it each time he is in a life-threatening situation. For example, in the graveyard, Harry initially considered running instead of fighting once he was released from the gravestone; just after this, Harry hides because he doesn't want to die, but only when he accepts death is seemingly inevitable in this situation does he gather up the courage to step out and face Voldemort, preferring to "die upright like his father, and he was going to die trying to defend himself, even if no defense was possible . . ." Later in book 7, when he finds out he has to walk into the Forest and die at Voldemort's hand, although he accepts it and is very brave about it, he still seems terrified - in fact, he seems simultaneously on the verge of a panic attack and weirdly calm about it. Dry mouth, trembling, super aware of his pounding heart, fixating on it and the fact that he's about to go die, asking himself unanswerable questions (at the time) such as whether or not it would hurt. It even says "terror washed over him". He also secretly hopes that Neville or Ginny will notice his presence and stop him from going. But yet, he doesn't freak out at the thought, or cry for his soon-to-be lost life. All of this said, his inner musings tell us that "his will to live had always been so much stronger than his fear of death." And he shows yet again, despite his terror, that he is a true Gryffindor, his bravery rising to spur him on instead of allowing his fear to prevent him from what he knew had to be done.
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What form would the boggart take for someone who has that condition where they can't feel fear?
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I don't think voldemort could appear before any of the other students as they have no idea what voldemort actually looks like whereas Harry does
4:11 No, what's even sadder is that the boggart depicts Fred and George dead at the same time, because Molly never imagined they could be separated.
Don't make me cry
WOAH. Good eye. Poor George...
Well thanks for THAT heartbreak.
Also shows that even their mother hardly acknowledged they were 2 persons, not one.
I literally cried when the twins were separated I’m actually holding back tears right now.
If a student's literal greatest fear is a teacher I feel like faculty should want to look into that. Hogwarts badly needs student services
Yeah, how did no one do anything after finding out how badly Neville feared him
And keep in mind Nevelle's parents were tortu red till insanity, yet he finds Snape more scary.
On a side note I do find it odd that Lupin doesn't gets concerned about what Nevelles could be unlike Harry, because if he manifests extreme torture, be it him being tortured or his parents, that would be so disturbing for everyone in the class and Lupin would have been fired on the spot.
I mean, who is the 'Student Councilor' at the very least? "So, Harry, how does facing Voldemort alone in a room with naught but a Mirror... make you feel?" What LITTLE we see is Dumbledore checking in on Harry Potter when he's in distress, occasionally. Unless it is 'normally' the Responsibility of each Head of House, which we don't really see either. c.c I think it'd quickly lead to Dumbledore being kicked out IF there was a Councilor to go '...what are you doing Dumbledore?'
Contrarywise, councilors weren't common in schools in the 1800s as 'Head Shrinking' wasn't very respected, and Hogwartz is VERY much like an 1800s Boarding School... this is because it wasn't considered a 'serious' health issue back then. >.
@@Alex-cw3rz That is true given his traumatic history, but if you recall Lupin does ask him in the beginning what he(Neville) fears the most and Neville confesses that his worst fear is Professor Snape.
@@Alex-cw3rzHonestly I don't think this is the smartest lesson to have even without the threat of war. I mean, imagine how many students would have to witness or experience various forms of death, torture, imprisonment, and shame from the boggart.
Harry as a character is so underrated in his own fandom. He‘s strong, kind, selfless, caring and extremly brave. Just a wonderful rolemodel for a whole generation. ❤❤❤
Also a bigot, arrogant, egotistical and short tempered. Though I guess flaws do make for a real person.
People are strange... they will say Colin Creevey before Harry ... just to sound "not basic"........
Kinda unrelated, but I think the relationship between Lupin and Harry is portrayed much better in the movie, like it actually showed them relating as two people who lost two of the most significant people in their lives and in the books, Lupin was just a really good teacher
Personally I think Lupin should have been just as close to harry as Sirius if not closer as he got to spend nearly a whole term having lessons and extra lessons with Lupin. While he talks with Sirius a whole what 10 or 20 minutes at the end of book 3 but Sirius is the one Harry decided to keep in contact with while he seems to barely speak to Lupin.
The third movie in general is fanastic with stuff that doesnt happen in the Book imo.
@@conormurphy4328 I think a lot of that was that Sirius was more the of ‘wild, rulebreaking, fun’ whereas Remus was more mellow, methodical, and conservative. I think Sirius’ qualities appealed to Harry more, and he therefore related to him more. Sirius and James were also closer than Remus was with James and so I think that also made him feel more connected to Sirius.
3rd movie is imo the best adaptation
@@conormurphy4328 yeah but it was Lupin's doing, not Harry's fault. Go back and read how Lupin and Harry parted ways in the book and how Harry and Sirius did. Sirius wrote him later, said he will be in touch, encouraged Harry to write too. What did Remus did? He sayin we will meet again. Didn't say he will write or for Harry to do. Just like with Tonks and Teddy he abounds Harry. And Harry is an abused child, unwonted in his aunt's house of course he is not gonna inciate and try to deepen the relationship. He needed someone to care about him and he felt that Sirius did. Not just with words, but coming to be near, writing to him letters, believing that he didn't put his name in and so on. Don't get me wrong I love Remus, he's one of my fave characters, but he has it coming, Harry being closer to Sirius.
Kinda disagree with Lupin on why Harry fears the Dementors. Harry thinks of the Dementor as his worst fear without knowing how they work and that they make you feel fear. But there is one moment in the story where Harry feels fear and doesn't overcome it: In book 6 against the Inferi. He fears them as soon as he knows about them. When they attack him he panics, forgets he's supposed to summon fire and has to be saved by Dumbledore. The fear here (as stated by Dumbledore) is just the fear of the unknown. And when Harry faces the Boggart first the Dementors are an unknown to him as well. He doesn't know how to fight them, he doesn't know how they do him harm and why they harm him more than anyone else.
This is a second source of fear that I think Harry doesn't overcome: The fear of being vulnerable/appearing weak before others. He feels embarassed when he learns he's the only fainting from the Dementors and this is a big motivation on why he wants to learn how to fight them. This fear also shows in book 5 first when Harry thinks he's possessed by Voldemort and irrationaly starts avoiding everyone and then later again when he arrives in the department of mysteries and realizes he's been tricked by Voldemort. Instead of getting out of there immediately (which would be the smart thing to do and normally Harry does the smart thing under pressure) he stays and grabs the prophecy to not have to accept that he's been tricked and that his connection to Voldemort can be used against him which would be to accept that he's vulnerable.
I don't think we've seen a Boggart from Harry after book 4 (maybe in book 5 during the exams). I think it's quite possible that the Boggart would've changed over time after fighting Dementors several times and knowing more about them. It makes sense that he keeps the Dementor as a Boggart at first even after knowing more about them because Harry doesn't have a lot of other fears, the fear of vulnerability is still associated with Dementors and knowing about the Dementors' kiss probably increased his fear of them again since Harry is wise enough to value his soul. But I think it's possible that after Sirius' death he would've had a similar Boggart to Molly, losing loved ones.
Completely agree with you on both. He shows fear of the unknown and fear of showing weakness. At best I'd say Lupin meant Harry was afraid of being afraid , especially if others knew he was afraid, though I don't really see how that's wise. This line has always bothered me and the video didn't really clear it up for me, but your comment did, so thanks 👍. Whenever I read the books I kind of cringe when this line comes up. It always felt like a line the author thought sounded good so she put it in, but it doesn't really fit.
@@antoniocalado7101 I always looked at it as a line not so much commenting on Herry's being afraid but on how people view voldemort compared to Harry. Voldemort is the biggest baddest evil in the imagination of the British wizarding world. So much so that the mere mention of his name causes almost all of them to have a physical reaction to it. Harry choosing to fear what the Dementor does to him and Lupin's line to me always suggested he is saying there are greater evils to be afraid of then Voldemort, who is still just a man.
Very well put, and I wholeheartedly agree.
I disagree and agree with you.
I agree that fear, vulnerability and the unknown are tied together for Harry. It stems from that traumatic moment when he felt incompensible fear as a baby when Voldemort killed his parents/guardians.
Harry has a good heart and feels protective of many, but have you noticed that Harry feels that paralyzing fear when it regards protecting a guardian or perceived guardian? When he has to protect himself, Sirius (and Hermione) from the Dementors, "a paralyzing terror filled Harry so that he couldn't move or speak". With the inferi, Harry doesn't immediately fear it, he thinks they're "a horrible idea" when Dumbledore explains what they are. Nonetheless, he panics in the moment when he has to protect himself and Dumbledore from them.
With the Department of Mysteries event, he doesn't act with that wisdom we know him to possess but loses sight of how to confirm if Sirius left Grimauld place or not (could have used the mirror) because he believed Sirius to be in danger. I think Harry is very relatable in this terrible lesson as most of us have to work through facing our insecurities step by step.
It's no coincidence that Harry refuses Lupin's help in Deathly Hallows when he does to Grimauld place and says he'll be joining the trio to complete the mission Dumbledore gave them - Harry doesn't want to be the cause of Teddy growing up without one of his guardians and having a semi-guardian on his journey.
I disagree that he doesn't overcome fear, vulnerability and the unknown - he overcomes it when he willingly goes to die in the forest. He says bye to most of his guardians in the forest, and says bye to Dumbledore when he's in limbo. I think this is where Harry's boggart could change into any of his other fears.
Harry's paralyzing fears are situational - it includes fear, vulnerability, the unknown and his guardians.
On the one hand, Harry is admirable because he innately appear to be brave and overcomes fears (which he feels like anyone else) that would otherwise paralyze others. On the other hand, this trait may heightened due to his experience of pure fear at the most vulnerable time in his life, that other forms of fear cannot compare, unwittingly giving him a kind of wisdom to see past fear and cherish and perceive clearly that which others would otherlook (to slightly borrow from Hermione).
While on the subject of Lupin vs Snape as teachers: JK has said that the reason Harry was unable to learn Occlumency was because he's too emotional, but personally I also blame Snape's teaching methods, to an extent at least.
Lupin would totally have been able to teach him.
Especially since Harru ultimately finds a way to close his mind for Voldemort, using his love for others to lock him out.
I agree - Harry was able to eventually block Snape during the lessons, he had a spark just he had that spark of being able to resist the imperius curse. He just needed someone to nurture that spark and help him learn, and also be respectful about his memories, it's very intimate to let someone go in your head like that, you need someone trustworthy like Lupin or Dumbledore
I think an important point that is not mentioned is the context in which Lupin is giving this quote. he is giving it in relation to the fear of Voldemort. By saying that rather than fearing Voldemort, harry fears, fear itself, he is really commenting on the status of Voldemort. For the majority of the wizarding world in Britain at least, Voldemort is the greatest evil, the thing they fear the most. So much that they refuse to use his name and have both emotional and physical reactions to the mere mention of it. Lupin on the other hand as one of those few that doesn't have this fear is making a comment on the fact that Voldemort is not that big an evil, there are things worse than him that warrant fear and he is just a man.
Lupin's full moon bogart is a good example of a combination of fears. The potential transformation gives him fear of loss of autonomy since he will not be in control, mutilation since he will essentially lose his human body, and extinction since he may kill his loved ones.
Ego death as well since being a werewolf makes him a social pariah. And for that matter separation is in there too as he again has to isolate himself to prevent the aforementioned grisly death of all his friends. So ya all of the fears.
Just thought of this when you mentioned Snape needling Neville's insecurity. Is it possible the Snape is extra horrible to Neville because he resents him for not being the one chosen by Voldemort? If Voldemort had chosen Neville to be the One then Voldemort wouldn't have killed Lily?
Oh my! That's a very good theory
Makes sense
Headcanon now.
Dementors kiss is the the soul coming out of the body so maybe the fear was shared by the Horcrux piece of soul of voldemorts and Harry’s fear of fear which showed as a dementor
Another example of Harry not fearing death early on is his conversation with Firenze in the Forest about unicorn blood. Immediately when Firenze explains it will save you from death but you will live a cursed life, he immediately says death would be better. A person afraid of death ( i.e. Voldemort) would consider the cursed life a price worth paying to avoid death.
I love how Neville steps right up. He wasn't a coward. He just never got the opportunity to truly face his problems. When given the opportunity, he immediately acts. He's so much like Harry in that regard. No wonder he was the other potential chosen one
Harry's fear was also his motivation to improve himself every time he faced one, and then to use those improvements to help his friends improve. Consider that his fear of the Dementors led him to learn to cast a Patronus as a third-year, when casting a Patronus is beyond NEWT-level Defense Against the Dark Arts, earning Harry a huge bonus on his OWL exams, and a surprising sidebar in his hearing before the Wizengamot. "A _corporeal_ Patronus?!"
I never understood why he says that to Harry. Dementors make you feel depressed, not afraid. So why is fearing them is fearing fear?
Good video though, thanks! ❤
Because the thing Harry fears is not the Dementor itself, but actually the feeling he gets when he encounters one. He fears the fear of experiencing those scenes again.
Through the Griffin Door is one of my favorite things you guys have done as of late, I cannot wait to see you guys cover some of the more bombastic chapters of the books!
The Dementor isn't really the embodiment of Fear, but Despair. If anything the Boggart itself is the embodiment of fear, but of course Boggarts have no form of their own that anyone knows of. The reason Harry hears his mom is because its his worst memory, not necessarily his worst fear, though it might simultaneously be that as well.
exactly, if someone was truly afraid of fear itself, maybe that would be the only way to get a boggart to show its true form lol
My Boggart would be a dinosaur (specifically a T-Rex) around the age of 4 or 5 I had a nightmare of my baby sister being eaten alive by a T-Rex and I couldn’t do anything to save her 😭 ever since then all the way into my early 20s I had paralyzing nightmares that I am fully self aware of during that I couldn’t wake up from. Thankfully I don’t get those nightmares as much anymore, still caused a lot of trauma as a kid
I read FDR’s speech in school last year and I knew I recognized that sentence about fear and couldn’t figure out why because I was pretty sure I had never heard that speech before….I’m just now realizing that it was because it made me think of Lupin’s quote about Harry fearing fear! 😂😂😂
Fun fact; in the Lego Harry Potter games, if a character doesn't have a canonical boggart, it defaults to Voldemort.
*boggart
@@taylortdf5459 Thanks. Fixing it now.
Arachnophobic in therapy here - its not fear of what a spider will do to me. Its pure instinct and physical reaction, emotionally and mentally I know that spiders are great creatures, but when I see them my bode experiences all the symptomps of fear, which makes me unable to interact with the spider despite me knowing its perfectly safe
Fear is a good thing, it can help you keep youtself and others alive. The key is not letting it take over.
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One of the greatest lessons I've ever learned. Bravery is not the absence of fear but the courage to overcome it! But alas I don't remember who said it😢
Stuff like this is why Harry will always be my favorite character in the series. For someone who struggled with a phobia for over a decade, reading about such a brave kid who "feared nothing but fear itself" was very impactful.
J’s hoodie has increased my mood. It’s indescribable.
I absolutely LOVE it when you guys do philosophical theories like this one! More please!!!! ❤️❤️❤️
‘Wizard soup’ got me 😂🤣
Seems incredibly straight forward to me. "What's the worst taste imaginable? Literally the essence of 'bad taste,' probably." Yeah, that's the worst one.
I always interpreted Harry's boggart as being afraid that he'll want to give up, that he won't be able to keep going. He got to the point where he was interested in and kinda eager for the events of that night to be played in more detail the more dementor attacks went on. Theres a subtle implied suicidal ideation in a few places throughout the series, and this is one of the ones i noticed.
Congrats on Through the Griffin Door trending!! Hope it goes far 🙏
Lupin must be a secret descendant of Franklin Roosevelt. If X-Men can have famous historical figures turn out to be supernatural, why not Harry Potter?
Seems legit
It's definitely possible
Sure, but I think we can come up with better ones, Leonardo da Vinci. He's pretty cool.
FDR was wheelchair bound. If he was a wizard, he would have fixed that.
@@keithg460 If your father was in a weelchair that does not mean that you are also in a wealchair.
@@geenkaas6380I think they meant if they were wizards they wouldn’t have needed the wheelchair because they could make things to help him walk if not just straight up fix any issues.
I feel that people forgave Snape for being such a bully that a *13 year old student at his school* saw him as *his greatest fear*
All because he loved Harry's mother, her not reciprocating it and then selling out her husband and new born
My man might have seen the errors of his deatheater ways, but that only because he was negotiated into it by Dumbledoor
Snivelus is a bad guy who was forced to be good
Slytherin House deserves better
9:17 really loving the experience guys! Keep going!
omg i love the j has the "i am kenough" sweater, perfect for him!
Disclaimer:Theclowns and Snakes are only in the movie for that particular student and isn't canon
Y'know, I used to think the boggart lesson was cruel, but a room filled with people while you still have childish fears is best case for fighting a boggart.
You wanna face one of those things for the first time alone in your thirties?
Should have been a separate room each student come into one by one with Lupin inside teaching/monitoring of course.
Young people can have pretty legitimate fears though (even some that follow into adulthood).
Imagine you're a closeted member of the LGBT+ community, your greatest fear (younger or older) would then be "someone outs you". This isn't just a fear that someone will dislike you for your preference/identity but also that someone could physically harm you or reject you outright for just being you
I understand that the boggart is just a plot advancement point to Harry learning the Patronus Charm so not a lot of thought went into how damaging this lesson could have been; the focus was mainly on teasing Harry about the dementors but many other students could have been terribly bullied as well. People are cruel.
@@you_already_have_itsee, I kinda disagree here. Yes, outting everyone's fears in front of other classmates might be a problem for potential bullying, but watching your friends and classmates overcome their fears can help rally the next student that they can do it too. On top of that, knowing that other people that you can trust are nearby can also help.
@@torazely it's not just bullying. Worst fear is like dirty laundry of your mind. And then it's out for everyone to see.
Students should have an option to choose going inside alone or in a group.
Again of course with teacher inside to guide and help.
I would choose option to go alone for sure.
@@you_already_have_it I wouldn't. The idea of having to face the thing I fear most all on my own would be even more terrifying. I'd RATHER have my friends, the people I trust, with me to support me.
4:40 this clown was actually meant to be a ridicule. In my opinion it looks most terrifying of all the forms, the boggart transformed into that day.
You're not wrong
It was an unsettling one. They could have easily made it a funny clown
I'll take a giant CGI cobra over whatever that clown was. That thing makes Pennywise look like a Care Bear.
@@thedragonwarrior5861you can’t have a funny clown tbh
@12:05 I can imagine a single person being singled out and ridiculed by the government and main stream media, since 2016 there was this one guy, who we were told was the most evil man to have ever lived, and for four whole years they tried to discredit and smear him and in the end they never got through.
and today, hes gonna take another L just like he did in 2020. Cry abt it
@xxfazenoscoper360doesnosco2 WOMP
@@xxfazenoscoper360doesnosco2 when do I start crying?
If we take the 5 basic fears to the extreme I guess loss of autonomy would be the toughest one for me to deal with. For other fears such as heights, insects, snakes, darkness, closed/narrow spaces, drowning etc doesn't bother me much at all.
i love the idea of your podcast. keep it up don't miss an upload i am here for them
This just makes me love the character of Harry all the more.
Ya know I clicked on this for some nice HP content, and I came away with some personal insights worth more introspection. So thank you for the opportunity for personal growth
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I think you missrd why it was wise to be afraid of fear.
The main reason it is wise to fear fear is because even in the most courageous heart, Harry, fear can grip you and cause you to make mistakes. It can leave you powerless when you can't afford to be so.
An example of Harry's fear overcoming him is in the 6th book. Sirius' death is due to his actions as much as Voldemort's machinazations.
Sirius' wellbeing is what made him not open the Christmas present and finding the 2 way mirror. Harry wanting to rush off to save Sirius and putting his friends in danger, especially when Kreacher was able to manipulate him in thinking Sirius was in serious danger.
Both of these are times where Harry ignored the warning that he should be afraid of his own fears... all are can fall short if they fail to understand the importance of how they resond to their fears.
"Courage isn't the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that there is something more important than fear" (Line quoted from "Princess Diaries")
Ego death is nothing like what you described, I don't even think you googled what Ego death is. It is scary but not overwhelmingly so however once you have let go and go through the other side it is fantastic. One of the most phenomenal experiences that the true you completely unencumbered by ego can experience in this lifetime.
Its always appreciated how much passion and work gets put into these videos guys! You're the best 🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤
Absolutely loving SCB lately, through the griffin door is fabulous (naming is top tier), absolutely thrilled with the hunger games coverage- please never stop!! Also-- fabulous sweatshirt J
The I am kenough hoodie fits this channel
Have they ever explained how each house helps the students out? The sorting hat tells Harry he can do great things in Syltherian. But how?
12:03 - 12:14 is actually a very meaningful insight, since that’s exactly what the federal government does, all the time. Even to sitting Presidents
an argument for snape's class is chemistry where they're supervised learning ingredients and combination.
Hilariously good timing while watching this vid: you say scared into inaction, my wired headphones gets loose and disconnects and you are immediate in a state of inaction 😂😂😂
The fear of fear seems like it is in the Loss of Autonomy category since to be immobilized by fear is to lose one’s autonomy in a fundamental way. (To be afraid of one loss autonomy doesn’t automatically mean you’d be afraid of them all; you can be fine with going to jail but fear mind control, for example.)
This isn’t really a theory but
Snape is a really bad teacher. Harry learnt so much from snapes notebook but did terrible in his lessons, he does nothing to help students, he is constantly picking favourites, the only thing he teaches Harry is exspeliarmus is when he is fighting, not teaching. Also he is one of his students greatest fears
Yeah, he really isn't a good teacher
As with Trelawney, Dumbledore doesn't keep Snape around for his teaching abilities.
To be fair to Snape a lot of his students still get their OWLs.
Harry is such a badass. Truly underrated within the fandom and beyond.
id kill to get a "welcome another thrilling day of wizard soup" on a shirt
@12:00.... I could name someone that's happening to...
12:05 just gonna leave this here
You guys have a really profound understanding of everything
Thank you for introducing me to the article of the Fear of Deaths.
Lol Snape, what do you even do?!
I didn’t look over my shoulder at the spider part but if I’m being honest I came pretty close to it
I'm so excited for the full readthrough of the HP books. It's been years since I've read them and I'm gonna listen to every minute ❤🎉😊
I've never fully understood why Lupin says that a boggart version of Voldemort appearing in the classroom would be SO bad that he could not in good conscience allow it - it's said as if Voldemort *himself* would have appeared, instead of the false representation of him by a creature that, as far as we know, was unable to speak or cast magic or really DO anything other than look scary.
I don't know, I'm only a few minutes into this video so maybe there's an answer there that I haven't gotten to yet.
Slughorn is also a good teacher.
Maybe that's exactly why he rushed to the Ministry to save Sirius. He's very used to battle his fears instead of being paralized by them, and that was used against him .
*chokes on food at sight of "I am kenough" jacket*
Happy Wednesday!!
We need a little mermaid review
Rita Skeeter: Do you fear anything
Harry: No
Rita: Really? I was hoping you can tell me about your fears.
Harry: I'm afraid I cant help you.
Rita: Aha, write "Harry fears of being helpless"
Knew this was coming out once they talked about it and the marauders quiz
Could you make a theory of if Sirius had actually killed Peter after he knew that Peter told Voldermort about James and Lilly?
It wasn't inaction they were concerned about it was panic. Bank runs don't happen until the news reports bank runs.
I’ve been waiting for this hoodie for two months! Not fair 😂
I want to say that I love the theory that only the marauders can see other marauders is actually really good. if so then how does Snape see professor lupin disappearing from the map off the map that he left open on his desk? I like the theory but after rereading the prisoner of Azkaban just a couple of days ago, this theory came to mind and I noticed the line that snape says and it got me thinking about it. It’s just fruit for thought
Does anyone else think Dumbledore’s Boggart would be Grindlewald? Dumbledore’s fear of Grindlewald revealing the truth about what happened to Ariana and who fired that final spell. Also I think that memories of Grindlewald are what Dumbledore experiences when near Dementors. Both the Ariana business, their discussions on the “greater good”, and his conflicting feelings towards the man. Thoughts?
I can see it
More just anyone who knew the truth... So people starting to tell him they know the truth, that Ariana... it is a form of the 'Ego Death' for certain.
I think his boggart would become something more straightforward: A clear vision of him killing Ariana.
The Drink of Despair also lends credence to this theory.
Ooh that's a good theory
A point about snape.
Harry never makes a potion from a book until half blood prince. Snape always wrote the recipes himself
The idea of Snape wearing a I am Kenough hodie may seem funny but actually Snape never had that understanding that Ken had in the end of Barbie. Snape chose to be bitter about not being with Lily and blamed everyone for it but himself. But Ken unterstood that he was enough without Barbie.
0:49 there's two J's in frame 😭
Love the podcasts. I love listening to you guys talk about the books. ❤❤
1:35 Apparently FDR's animagus form must have been a snake. I mean, look how many s's he puts in the word "itsself"
Really interesting video. Great analysis on how Harry overcomes fear
J's sweatshirt is everything
Love your videos
I am rewatching Prisoner of Azkaban and it got me thinking, wouldn’t Snape or Lupin see Harry and Hermione”s names twice in the map before going to the shack? I don’t know if anyone has mentioned it or explained it but it would be interesting if the map identified people that are timeturning so they would only show up once. Love you videos
It may have already been said by someone else but I'm going to say it anyway. I truly think that if Harry didn't have Ron and Hermonie and the other Weasleys's in his life accepting and loving him as their own family, he would have backed down from the war after everything he'd been through. Without them being their to show him time after time that he is loved and valued and not because he's some chosen one he wouldn't have been able to always face the fear he felt. I hope that makes sense
It's intelligent to fear fear itself because fear holds you back. And that's why Harry always succeeded, his fear didn't hold him back.
Thank you for the video and this high quality talk about fears.
fearing fear means you wont be overwhelmed by it. you are afraid to let the fear take hold so you never act on the fear and instead work to overcome it
Why spiders!? Why can't we follow butterflies?😂
Thanks for that, I always wandered why fear fear is wise!
I am forever calling potions wizard soup now, thank you for that XD
4:12 I will never understand why Mrs Weasley didn’t adopt Harry.
J wants to remind us that we're Kenough!! 😂
Fear is but the precursor to valour, and to strive and triumph in the face of fear, is what it means to be a hero - blinkous galadragal (trollhunters)
I heard of the theory about the Harry mother's scream that Harry hear when dementor is near. As Harry was to young to remember any things that happen when Voldemort killed his parents *that night* it is possible that it was part of Voldemort soul living in Harry's body that was experiencing the fear and re living that moment when he was trying to kill Harrys mother what gave Harry extra protection, Voldemort's part was remembering Lily's scream as that was the worst part of Voldemort life - the moment of loss of power and what's more important - almost death as the death is what Voldemort fears most. What do you think about that?
I think snaps wearing that shirt would be he result of the ridiculous spell
Mate I live in Australia, if the spider wasn’t on my shoulder I’d be concerned. Gotta keep the little buggers right where I can see them
So Harry Potter's real fear is the fear of being too scared to take action and he overcomes that too.well done Harry
8:53 "Harry proves [death] isn't a fear of his long before the 7th book, and as early as the 1st one."
I'd argue that this isn't necessarily true; Harry does seem to fear death, but it isn't his BIGGEST fear and, as you mention towards the end of the video, he rises up and faces his fear of it each time he is in a life-threatening situation. For example, in the graveyard, Harry initially considered running instead of fighting once he was released from the gravestone; just after this, Harry hides because he doesn't want to die, but only when he accepts death is seemingly inevitable in this situation does he gather up the courage to step out and face Voldemort, preferring to "die upright like his father, and he was going to die trying to defend himself, even if no defense was possible . . ."
Later in book 7, when he finds out he has to walk into the Forest and die at Voldemort's hand, although he accepts it and is very brave about it, he still seems terrified - in fact, he seems simultaneously on the verge of a panic attack and weirdly calm about it. Dry mouth, trembling, super aware of his pounding heart, fixating on it and the fact that he's about to go die, asking himself unanswerable questions (at the time) such as whether or not it would hurt. It even says "terror washed over him". He also secretly hopes that Neville or Ginny will notice his presence and stop him from going. But yet, he doesn't freak out at the thought, or cry for his soon-to-be lost life.
All of this said, his inner musings tell us that "his will to live had always been so much stronger than his fear of death." And he shows yet again, despite his terror, that he is a true Gryffindor, his bravery rising to spur him on instead of allowing his fear to prevent him from what he knew had to be done.