Guys, Vhagar is such a big deal in this show not only because she's the biggest living dragon at this point, but she's also the og dragon from The Conquest! I mean, Aegon conquered Westeros with his two sister-wifes: Rhaenys and Visenia. All three rode dragons. Aegon rode Balerion The Black Dread ( the biggest one), Rhaenys's dragon was Meraxes and Visenia rode Vhagar (the second largest after Balerion). Balerion and Meraxes are gone at this point, but Vhagar is the last one still living. So, getting Vhagar means not only getting power but also prestige. It's like, you have a dragon who is a war veteran and who conquered Westeros... 😳🔥,🖤
I wish the show established dragons more. Its so ironic and mid that we get entire show dedicated to dragons but we are not really given necessary information and important facts. The plot should have shown how important each dragon is and what each of them means but it is left unsaid so when we (i mean ppl who haven't read the books) react to dragons, all we can see is that they are big, one might look more dangerous than the other etc.
hbo did cole dirty, he's not an idiot in the book..and of course they let laenor live so that daemon and rhaenyra would loo like the good guys..GOT season 8 type of writing
Daemon was laughing because Corlys' brother was being so hilariously blatant in attacking Rhaenyra's sons in his eulogy, beating that dead horse of "pure Velaryon blood". It was like, "Damn, man, you're not even trying to be subtle. Pathetic." He wasn't laughing about his wife's death.
The fandom gets so lost in Paddy Considine love that they overlook what an ineffectual milquetoast ruler he is. Maybe, too, because his family seem on the opposite end of the spectrum and that feels dangerous, too.
@ningPRTeam Hell no. He wasnt a good king, but far from the worst. Daeron, Baelor and Aegon IV were far worse, not to mention Aerys, the Mad King. Daeron took Westeros to war for no good reason, causing the deaths of thousands, Baelor locked his family in a vault, promoted a child to High Septon, wasted endless money on building ridiculous septs while ignoring his duties as King, and Aegon caused endless strife, pit the Brackens and Blackwoods against each other, fathered endless bastards, created the Blackfyre line, gave away the Targaryens ancestral sword, and his actions directly resulted in 5 civil wars (The 5 Blackfyre rebellions). And we all know what Aerys did! Viserys wasnt a good king, but he was no where near the worst. Viserys' inaction allowed the Dance of Dragons to come to fruition, Otto was the main reason for it imo. Oh and Maegor the Cruel....how could I forget about him! Nah Viserys was mid tier......I am not having that he was the worst, not by a long shot.
Fun fact: the funeral scene was shot first in this show. The kids actors were not familiar with each other and the awkwardness between them is what the show needed. The showrunners and directors were geniuses.
Are you implying that the awkwardness between world class actors is cause they didn't film any scenes prior to this one? Idk if you heard that in an interview or just read it from someone online, but that sounds like such bs, world class actors wouldn't be shy around other cast members while filming just cause it's the first scene, they're professionals for God's sake
@@ninadavidovic9644 From the book "Game of Thrones: House of the Dragon: Inside the Creation of a Targaryen Dynasty" it says the very first scene filmed for House of the Dragon came from episode 7, "Driftmark".
@@ninadavidovic9644 And I'm not saying they are shy but their relationship is quite suitable for their characters. They haven't seen each other in years in the show.
Game of Thrones is the greatest show ever at its peak and I love hotd but so far I enjoyed got s1 more than hotd s1 and the dialogue and characters are better written and more entertaining
This season of HoTD is better than season 1 in GoT honestly. So it's not like a fair comparison comparing a whole show of 8 seasons (7 in my mind) and just one season of HoTD.
To adress why the king is questioned so much. The power hierarchy is exponentially all over the place as the story progresses. That's a sight of bad ruleship and a ticking bomb for a monarchy. Love it.
Yes, Alicent technically injured the heir but as you guys could see, viserys is not exactly a stickler to tradition so he’s not gonna kill the woman’s who been taking care of him for the past 10 years and is the mother of four of his children
that's not how it works, princess rhaenyra doesn't outrank queen alicent in power station, alicent was worried because that's not what is expected of a queen to go mad and lose her sense and attack her daughter in law, that's why everyone was shocked. viserys can't punish alicent because she's of a noble ancient house (house hightower) and targareyn would have bad relationship with them if viserys does this.
@@jamien368The King can do anything the king wants to do. He is literally THEE KING! Everyone answers to him and if they don’t they can be killed or imprisoned.
@@EchanteDante yes he can just execute alicent not thinking of the consequences of this choice, but even kings suffer consequences or clueless when it comes to that? viserys NEEDS to keep trustful and healthy relationship with oldtown and the faith, harming the hightower QUEEN would be the dumbest thing to do, you really think of setting the throne as more of a the highest privilege and power yet less responsibility when in truth is the opposite, a ruler SHOULDN'T SIT COMFORTABLY IN HIS THRONE, comfort and happiness isn't part of doing duty or ruling and it doesn't need to be.
@@jamien368 umm he got f*ckin dragons. Pretty sure he can do what he wants. It wouldn’t be the most moral thing but when have we known political leaders to be the most moral people?
Team black is the least incestuous imo. In a roundabout way, that's everyones issue with Rhaenyra lol. She's only got one foot in the door, doesnt play the game well. Its like punk rocker liberals vs conservatives in the 90s... but medieval lol. Rhaenyra as a kid was blasting rage against the machine. One could argue the hightowers and Targaryen's arent incestuous but they'd be wrong. You quickly find out, reading the books that all the houses are related and forever swapping with eachother lol.
@@superkoopatrooper4879can’t believe the showrunners reduced a grey and nuanced conflict into: Punk rock libfem Rhaenyra vs. Repressed Lesbian Georgia Conservative mom But what else can you expect from modern tv?
@@superkoopatrooper4879My issue with Rheanyra isn't the incest, but that fact that although she claims to want to be heir, she keeps doing things to lessen her claim.
The guy in the middle was spot on when one of the others asked how anyone could sympathize with Alicent: she was forced to marry someone around twice her age to please her father, carry his children and care for them (we've never seen Viserys interact with his younger kids in any meaningful way, btw), also: she was lied to by her best friend and stood up for said best friend which led to her father not being the Hand anymore and had to leave her, Larys intentionally interpreted her frustration as "kill the Hand and his son" which makes him have a leverage over her. She was used sexually as a brood mare for years and her father convinced her that Rhaenyra would eventually have to kill her children, leading to fear and paranoia. I am far from agreeing with all of Alicent's choices, but I DO understand them. Especially here: her child lost an eye because he succeeded in claiming a dragon. The child's father is content with basically ignoring this, not even listening to all of the kids and trying to understand what happened, and I fully sympathize with Alicent's anger and desperation.
Even though most people just think Princess Helaena is weird and awkward I believe she is meant to be clairvoyant. In episode 6 (17:40) Queen Alicent is telling Prince Aemond "You will have a dragon one day" and to which Princess Helaena promptly says; some what under her breath "He'll have to close an eye". I got chills after the kids fighting scene in this episode because of it!
She's a dreamer (psychic) AND the writers confirmed she's also on the autism spectrum (which by their standards would just make her seem crazy). I feel so sorry for Helaena...she's genuinely one of the few completely innocent characters on the green side.
Otto's family is super important in westeros. The Hightowers rule over Oldtown which was historically the biggest and richest city in westeros until Aegon built King's Landing. This makes them ones of the richst families on the continent (not as much as the Lannisters and the Velaryons tho). Oldtown is also the headquarters for the Faith of the Seven at this point in history, which gives them influence over the main religion in westeros. The order of the Maesters is also headquartered there with the Citadel being located in Oldtown. Oldtown is kinda the "main city" of westeros besides King's Landing, which makes the Hightowers were powerful and influential. They are also one of the oldest Houses in the Realm, predating even the current Liege lords of their province (The Reach), The Tyrells.
You don't inherit dragons, you claim them. It's highly doubtful Vhagar would have accepted one just because Laena was her mother, dragons don't work like that. Love your reactions btw!
You guys have watched Game Of Thrones, right? Are y'all unaware of how marriage was in medieval times? Why are you applying 21st century morality to a show set in medieval times where there are dragons and magic and somehow incest doesn't make you look like a Habsburg and also those people are immune to fire by the way oh and killing someone right in front of other people is perfectly accepted - but somehow y'all think that a 35 year old marrying a 16 yr old who is technically, according to them, a grown woman ready for marriage, is somehow the worst thing ever?
@@rexibhazoboa7097There are dragons in this show and incest is perfectly accepted but somehow you think a 16 yr old marrying a 35 yr old is the worst thing ever?
Team Black all the way! You guys were great to call it - that it was a fake leanor that was killed. Most reactors don’t catch that. Yeah Therese characters are all gray - no god and bad is clearly demarcated but team Black is just more interesting. On team Green - only Aemond has that likeable swag(despite being bad) I love your reactions! Can’t wait to keep watching
House Hightower are one of the wealthiest and most powerful houses during this time. They are the 3rd wealthiest behind Lannister and Velaryon. Oldtown the seat of House Hightower is the oldest and largest city in the Seven Kingdoms, its also the center of the Faith of the Seven the main Religion of the crown and the Maesters of the Citadel, who are the knowledge keepers of the world. The Hightowers as a result are a very important and influential House, they also have huge political power, and they are also the strongest military power in The Reach, which is the southwestern most Kingdom. Theres also a fun theory that they may be distance ancestors of an ancient dragonlord kingdom from the far east. 😉
Dragon Lore: A dragonrider can only bond with one dragon in their lifetime, a dragonrider cannot ride multiple dragons. Once a dragon is bonded with a rider, they cannot bond without another until that dragonriders death. Laena Velaryon didn't bond with Vhagar until after the death of Prince Baelon (Visery & Daemon's father). Aemond is able to bond with Vhagar now that Laena is dead. Dragons are not passed from parent to child. Did Rhaena (Daemon and Laena's daughter) expect to claim Vhagar? Yes. (The other daughter, Baela, already has a dragon that hatched named Moondancer). However, before Laena Velaryon, Vhagar was riden by Baelon (see above). Another example is Caraxes the Bloodwyrm (Daemon's dragon), who was previously ridden by Prince Aemon (Princess Rhaenys' father). The three dragons you see flying away at the end of the episode are Sunfyre (known as Sunfyre the Golden, Aegon's mount), Dreamfyre (Helaena's mount), and of course Vhagar. High Valyrian Traslations: Dohaeras - obey/serve Lykiri - calm/calm down Soves - fly Fun Fact: All of Viserys' children with Alicent had to claim existing dragons (Aegon claimed Sunfyre, Helaena claimed Dreamfyre, and Aemond claims Vhagar in this episode. Even their fourth child [I don't believe he's been shown yet in the show and I'm not sure if they've casted him for season 2, or if he's even written in because he is a major part of the war] claimed an existing dragon) On the other hand, Rhaenyra's children (Jacaerys, Lucerys and Joffrey) got eggs in the cradles that hatched their dragons (Vermax from the previous episode, Arrax who you'll see in ep10, and Tyraxes who we probably won't get to see until later seasons). The hatching of these dragon eggs helps prove they are of legitimate Targaryen blood Now for the accusations of bastardy: Book lore is that the Velaryons are not black, they are white like the rest of the Targaryens. The TV show making the Velaryons black adds to the suggestion that Rhaenyra's three sons are bastards. Book lore also states that Princess Rhaenys, Lord Corlys's wife, has the black hair of House Baratheon from her mother. Once again, the TV show making her have the trademark Valyrian white hair just adds more suspicion. If the TV show followed book lore exactly, there is a reasonable explanation of Rhaenyra's children having dark hair and skin color wouldn't be different. Plus, like I said, their dragon eggs hatching helped quell rumors of their parentage because no matter what, their blood proved they were Targaryens who could bond with dragons. Also, in the books, it's never 100% confirmed that Rhaenyra's sons are bastards. Just saying....
I mean of course Rhaenyra’s kids are Targaryen blood. She gave birth to them so that was never any doubt. The question is if they’re legitimate, and having a dragon hatch in the cradle isn’t proof of that.
@@yeahkeen2905it is to them not to us the audience of course but also those boys do have veleryon blood which is why I hate the change cause that means aegon the conqueror was half black in this show because his mother was a veleryon as was all the other veleryons who married into the family after aegon so yes those boys not only have Targaryen/strong/arryn/veleryon in their blood they definitely have way more Targaryen thanks to rhaenyera’s mother also having Targaryen blood they have equal or more Targaryen blood in them.
Incorrect that a person can only bond with a single dragon throughout their life time, this is literally never stated, shown or implied. Quite the opposite, Targaryens believed they could claim new dragons if their dragons died. And there's no resonable explanation for the bastardy in the books. Her sons have brown hair, not black Baratheon hair. Rhaenys has purple eyes despite not having silver hair. Rhaenyra has silver hair and purple eyes, so does Laenor, still all 3 of her sons have brown hair and brown eyes, they're 100% bastards sired by Harwin Strong. In the books the bastards are 100% bastards.
@@reinsaxony4623 wtf 100% bastard means😂😂 they have targaryen blood. Now if their features look more like the Strong guy, that doesn’t mean they are not Targaryen at all lol
Dragons aren’t heirlooms though and they have their own wills and minds in which rider can claim them. They aren’t slaves as the series goes on to say, and sometimes they won’t listen to their riders 👁️👁️
I don’t think it’s in this reaction, but I thought it was such a sweet moment when Laenor says he hates the gods for making him as they did and Rhaenyra says she doesn’t. I can’t imagine what it must be like to be coerced into a relationship with someone you fundamentally can’t love like you’re supposed to. I know it was mostly to serve Rhaenyra’s own ends and not a huge act of charity, but I’m glad Laenor and Ser Karl got the happiest ending that was possible in this gritty world.
Honestly I keep seeing people blaming Aemond in this situation, but I do not think it was his fault, at least not entirely, and all of this situation started because his cousins and nephews went after him and they were the first to punch and make accusions. That and the adults who seem to neglect to tell them that a dragon isn't a thing they pass on, the dragon chooses his rider. Aemond since he was born, always was taught that Rhaenyra's children are bastards and shouldn't have any claim to the throne, add to that fact of them having a dragon and him not, which is a birthright to any targaryen, and Alicent literally teaching him he is more targaryen/have more rights than his nephews, plus the bullying, we have here the result. The kids have being feeling/taught/seeing how the adults react to one another, and they copy them. If you see in this episode, despite the bullying, Aemond gives a sympathetic smile to Jace because he knows Jace is suffering because of Ser Harwin's death. But the moment he claims Vhagar and he finds his nephews (plus the girls but I think what triggers him is Jace and Luke) being hostile against Aemond, he feels he is being accused/bullied one more time, regardless if he has or not a dragon, he feels that Jace and Luke will always be against him. Almost everyone, who hadn't any healthy exposure and do not know how to deal with their own feelings or how to deal with a delicate situations where accusions are being made (and let's not forget he is still a child too), their first mechanism of defence is to save themself by hurting back, that is what happened to Aemond and eventually with all of kids. All were suffering, hurting and not knowing how to deal with their emotions so they react physically. For Aemond, this is his bullies who always were ready to laugh because he didn't have a dragon, and now that he has one, they come after him because they don't like it too that he had claimed a dragon. There is no winning, in Aemond's perpective, they will always find a way to dislike him, to laugh or to attack him. Though obviously, Aemond too escalate the things, but just like Jace did by bring a knife to the fight. But for me, this is all fault of the adults that surrounded these kids : Starting with Otto and his schemes, ending with Alicent and her fears and envy. Viserys with his neglectful way towards his children with Alicent and his favouritism towards Rhaenyra, and Rhaenyra who never try to have any relationship with her siblings who had nothing to do with her problems with Alicent and Viserys. If she only had a nice relationship with them, to encourage them to have a friendship with her sons, perhaps this could had being avoided. But it is what it is. 🤷♀️ I mean I am team neutral with inclination for Rhaenyra because she is the heir, but there is no denial that all this people are wrong and they managed to bring their kids to their own problems and eventual their demise.
Honestly I dont blame for Alicents reaction to the situation either, if my son was permanently mauled by his relatives, my husband refused to take any action, and then his sister demanded that he be tortured, I would probably do more than just a cut on her arm.
@tatumgallahair7729 I totally agree with you. If it was my son, how could I be calm in this situation? I mean, I think the show made just an excellent scene here. Two mothers trying to defend their kids and also with just a deep hurtful past. If you put yourself in Rhaenyra's shoes, in part you can understand her actions, because she is in her mother bear mode, Luke took an eye of a prince of the realm and he could pay an ultimate price if she doesn't do anything and having exposition of the bastardy of her sons is a danger subject, so she defends them as much as she could with everything she can use, but she was to harsh and even put some of her personal conflict with Alicent towards Aemond : "he should be questioned sharply", afterall she knew who was whispering this informations to Aemond and his siblings, her target was Alicent and she wanted to stop her. But by this action only made Aemond more devoted to his mother and to the green cause. On the other side, there is Alicent with her son without an eye and no one is defending him. In Alicent perspective, Otto's words were proven in this very moment, Rhaenyra would kill her siblings after she is queen without a second thought. And obviously, Viserys doesn't help when he doesn't care, he does nothing besides always defending Rhaenyra and even going far by questioning his injury son without caring for his pain. Alicent could no longer endure what she sees as a shameful behaviour of Rhaenyra and the neglect of Viserys, but she also fails to understand that it is the world, its rules and her own father who made her to have a life she does not wanted it and deep down she hates it. I just love this episode and all of this scene. 😅 so much to peel, so many perpectives it is like an onion.
Yea when I first watched season 1 I was sort've on the bash Aemond bandwagon as well cuz I thought to myself he did "steal" the dragon, but honestly after realizing how badly they tormented him for not owning a dragon it only makes sense that he would go out and claim one lol, and as you stated there's no such thing as inheriting a dragon. A dragon must be claimed by the rider.
@@olavu11 Yes, no dragon is a thing to be passed to father to son. If Vhagar didn't want Aemond, make sure we would know that. Aemond would be roasted on the spot, just like it had happened to others. If a dragon was passed as an inheritance, then Caraxes wouldn't be Daemon's, but instead Rhaenys' and Meleys wouldn't be Rhaenys', but it would be Daemon's or Viserys', etc etc. For me, Vhagar has a type of rider, which is a person with the boldest personality (to Visenya, Baelon, Laena, and Aemond all have that in common and probably other similar traits). Rhaena is a child much more gentle, if perhaps it was Baela who haven't a dragon, Baela who has a much more Daemon's personality, perhaps Vhagar would accepted her but I am of opinion that Rhaena, Vhagar wouldn't accept her. That and very likely Laena took the twins to fly with her, Vhagar knew them since they were in Laena's womb, if Vhagar had any inclination to have Rhaena has her rider, she wouldn't have accepted Aemond. It is not the Targaryens who choose a full-grown dragon to claim. They may try to claim it, but in the end, it is the dragon's willing power that chooses to accept them or not, not the way around. Ultimately, I would say that we and the Targaryens say wrong. It is the dragon who claims its rider and accepts him or her.
a dragon is not a car, you can't "steal" it. Dragons in the lore have near-human if not greater than human intelligence, there is no such thing as "someone's dragon", there is only a bond that can be made once a new rider makes the act of claiming the dragon. Dragons are not heirlooms, they do not pass along a single lineage, whoever tries to claim the dragon runs the risk of the dragon not wanting them as their rider and killing them right then and there. This has happened to targaryens in the past
@@brigandrus to who? to the girls it might seem like their dragon was stolen but thats irrelevant, the bottom line is that the dragon was never their's, their mistake was assuming that the dragon was hers to claim. No dragon is anyone's to claim, if you go and claim them and the dragon accepts you then the dragon is yours. Like I said, its not a car, you don't own a dragon so you can't steal a dragon, just the same way you can't steal a person
@@brigandrus you’re arguing in bad faith, you know that’s not the same. I already said that dragons intelligence levels are more or less par with humans. They understand speech, have their own thoughts and intentions. You can own a dog, dogs are property of their owners, you cannot own a dragon, that would be equivalent to owning a human
For anyone that thinks that Aemond stole the dragon, it’s actually impossible. The dragons aren’t pasted down like vases. Daemon claimed his uncles Dragon, Caraxes and Rhaenys claimed meleys, who once belonged to Daemon and viserys’s mother. Vhagar had two riders before Laena, one of which was Aemonds grandfather. Aemond and Rhaena had the same amount of right to claim her. Aemond just got there first and there was no guarantee anyway that Vhagar would’ve accepted rhaena.
well thats kinda misleading. Dragons are passed down in a certain way. You can track the passing of Balerion for instance and see that it was passed down from Aegon the conqueror to his son and all the way down to Viserys.
@@govinddas7876 no it’s not misleading because yes, all Targaryen‘s have a certain amount of opportunity and claim to a riderless dragon but maegor and Viserys didn’t get the ride balerion just because aegon did. They shared targaryen blood, but baelerion did not acknowledge man made inheritance rituals when forming the bond between dragon and rider. He just saw the targaryen blood and if that was the case, every Targaryen would pass down their dragon upon their death to their child, but it doesn’t work that way or else Meleys would’ve went to Daemon and Caraxes would’ve went to rhaenys. Rhaena could’ve very well claimed Vhagar but she was not entitled to it based on the fact she was Laenas daughter, but that she had Valyrian blood. She had the same amount of right as aemond did because they’re both targaryen‘s. Anyways even if it was passed down, by that logic Laena had no right as a Velaryon but she is Valyrian making her able to claim Vhagar. Rhaena and Aemond share a grandfather that rode Vhagar but that doesn’t mean it automatically goes to either of them, it was Vhagars choice. That was never even the issue amongst the adults. None of the adults cared or said that it was wrong that aemond claimed Vhagar because half the Targaryens in the room had to claim their dragon. The issue was always that he mentioned the boys being bastards. If dragons did recognize the parent child bond, Syrax never would’ve thrown Joffrey off her back, killing him.
@@jordanrivers5825 I agree to a certain extent. And I even believe Aemond wasn't wrong. He technically isn't wrong. But that does not mean he's not an asshole for claiming Vhagar in the middle of the night while the family including the girls were mourning their dead mother. When we're talking about the 'inheritance' of dragons, we're talking about two different things. 1 - the natural instict of a dragon to accept a rider when one presents itself. Aemond has done no wrong here. 2- The human ritual of inheritance from parent to child. If the family were to wake the next morning, I would assume they would allow Rhaena to have a chance first, because it feels the most natural to do so. Aemond is wrong here. So yeah I understand what you're saying but he's still a dick is my point.
@@govinddas7876 I honestly think the reason he snuck out in the middle of the night was because he was worried his mother wouldn’t let him do it, because it was so dangerous, I don’t think that anybody in Rhaena‘s life, other than Daemon would’ve allowed her to attempt to claim her either, at least not until either of them were older, so Aemond was absolutely out of pocket for mouthing off to them but he was taking his anger out on the boys on them unfairly and he was a child at the end of the day. I don’t think he was thinking of “I have to get to Vhagar before Rhaena does. I’m stealing their mothers dragon” I think he was thinking “this is my only shot. I have to do it under the cover of night because mother will stop me if I don’t.” He was 10 years old and his desperation was so strong it was literally life or death for him. He was either going to claim her or he was going to die in the attempt and be done with it.
@@jordanrivers5825 that's fair. I do agree that he didn't do it with the intent of hurting the girls. And tbf I think most people in his situation would do the same. Good talk! I haven't spoken to anyone about ASOIAF in a long time so it's fun to be back chatting about this world again!
The king is not dumb. He knows her kids aren’t legitimate. But like he said in a previous episode, there will be dire consequences if they give the rumor any credence. His daughter and children could die. His heir will at the very least will be displaced and their subjects/power hungry court members will revolt. Also, she did try to have legitimate children, but her husband was either infertile or they just weren’t lucky the few times he would “do his duty”. Without children, her seat on the thrown would be easier to challenge. Living in court is like living in a constant state of conflict and survival. She needed children quickly. Also, the Queen consort does not have a higher place than the heir apparent. It’s convoluted, but attacking the Princess is kind of treason. Team Taboo all the way.
he's dumb, to defend something obvious in front of people is DUMB, even aegon made viserys look dumb there "just look at them", viserys is the dumbest and weakest king ever
"Do not mourn me mother, it was a fair exchange, I may have lost and eye, but I have gained a dragon" THE COLDEST LINE DELIVERY EVER. This Ep is where my Aemond Fandom started
The Hightowers gain their power from not only being one of the oldest families but also the ones who created the Order of the Maesters (the Religious order). They also used to be the old Capital of Westeros before the Targaryens invaded. They still remain in the GOT timeline a powerful and old family, they still have close relations with the Maesters and Oldtown is still their seat (which is shown in the original series). Now Otto is interesting because he is not the main lord of the family. He is the second son, like Daemon is (except not a Prince ofc haha). So his line is not the main Hightower line and while Alicent was a powerful match for Viserys that made sense, it was definitely more above his stature as he is a second son and doesn’t stand to inherit unless his brother and his brothers children died.
Viserys had always known that the boys were Harwin's sons since the beginning, but he loved Rhaenyra the most. So, he just pretended to deny it, and that's why he threatened to cut off their tongues if he heard this rumor again because he knew it was true
She lied to Allicent about being found with Daemon which drove a wedge between Allicent and her father, along with swearing on her mother's memory it was the truth.
@@cryocian7214 no. alicent asked if she had sex with daemon and rhaenyra said no which was the truth. otto being a rat and alicent misinterpreting what rhaenyra said isn’t her problem
@@cryocian7214 Wow! Such a big deal... lmao. Except it's half true, cause Rhaenyra only said that Daemon never touches her (as Alicent said: "f**k her in the brothel" 🤣) which was true. On the other hand, Alicent- the FRIEND (sister-like!) didn't say a word to Rhaenyra that she is dating her FATHER just a day after Rhaenyra's mom died!!!! I mean, she's a friend af 💀💀 She also kept silent that she was sent to Vicerys by Otto (Alicent exactly knew why. She is older than Rhaynyra, she knows what's up, that's why she was so stressed out...) ...but, yeah, Rhaenyra is such a bad person cause she didn't say that she had sex... 🤦♀😂😂
@@cryocian7214 She promised she didn't sleep with Daemon, which she didn't. But she did lie about being a virgin, which honestly, I don't think this is "immoral" because Alicent would have used this information against her. I know I am seeing this through a modern lense, but I don't like the idea of asking someone if they're a virgin, as if we are entitled to that information. Also, if Rhaenyra were a guy she could sleep around with whoever she wanted, being a virgin would not have been a concern whatsoever. Alicent's anger at this "lie" likely stems from jeleousy over the fact the only person she has ever gotten to sleep with was an old man who was quite literally rotting away. Alicent's longstanding anger over the fact her friend slept with someone and didn't tell her just seems petty for no reason.
Otto's family is powerful because the Hightowers rule Oldtown, which is a huge major city in Westeros and its the headquarters of The faith of the seven (most popular religion in Westeros) and its the headquarters of the order of the maesters (the doctor/scientist/scholar guys). So they do have influence over major institutions in this world. There's even a theory in the books of a Hightower and maester conspiracy and that the maesters are actually poisoning Viserys instead of healing him.
Right? Everyone is always like “I feel bad for X, Y, Z” but Rhaena and Baela are getting volleyed around like tennis balls and relegated to the background
Probably took some days at least to travel from Essos to Driftmark and gather everyone for the funeral. Who knows, Vhagar might have rejected or injured the daughter during the claim attempt.
You do realise they didnt teleport from the other continent back to Driftmark in Westeros? Took them about a week to get back home. She would've gotten over the shock of her mother being dead by then.
i put the blame more on daemon tbh, his kids apparently dont know how dragon-rider bonds work (they called aemond a thief), he knows how important vhagar is so he should've helped his daughters in their grief + explain the need for rhaena to try and claim vhagar before its too late. @@rexibhazoboa7097
You guys should watch Hill's Alive video on Alicent's perspective, probably the best explanation out there. It really puts things in perspective and stops us from seeing some people as just the villians or evil.
@@romainchambard4399 True she is team green. It was never about being completly objective though. It was about seeing things from different perspectives. And to not disregard one and label them "evil". GRRM has said himself that he prefers grey characters. I like characters on both sides green and black. I think Alicent is actually quiet well written. I find her interesting.
@@romainchambard4399 She is Team Green but she is super based and gives a lot of interesting analysis on the Green characters, I see no problem in having preference for one side but being resonable and making good analysis.
Vhagar was one of the original 3 dragons that conquered Westeros during the Targaryen Conquest. The other 2 were Balerion the Black Dread - whose skeleton we see often and Meraxes who also died. She was ridden by Visenya Targaryen, Aegon the Conqueror's elder sister-wife. Rhaenyra really had no choice but to have bastard children. She tried with Laenor but obviously didn’t work. Had she not had children then the Greens would have argued she was unfit for the throne because she's barren. There are no other silver haired people in Westeros except the Targaryens and Velaryons so she had no choice. Also, in the books all the characters are white so race is never an issue. The children have black hair but Princess Rhaenys also has black hair in the books so the children can be passed off as Laenor's. All the children have a dragon except Aemond (who has Vhagar now) and Rhaena. Her twin Baela has a dragon called Moondancer. Aegon has Sunfyre who was his hatchling but not a full grown dragon and Helaena has Dreamfyre. Dreamfyre is very big as well. She was the dragon of Aegon the Conqueror's eldest granddaughter and the mother of many of the other dragons.
33:58 Hightowers have always been a very powerful house because they rule from Oldtown, one of the largest and most important cities in all of Westeros. It was certainly the most important city prior to the founding of King's Landing by Aegon the Conqueror, and still holds significant importance being at the mouth of an important river, a big sea port, having the Citadel (basically the headquarters for the maesters), and it became the center of the Faith of the Seven when that was established. Because of these factors, the Hightowers have always been wealthy and had significant influence in politics.
Dragons aren't passed to the kids of the previous riders. Its basically if you are strong enough or have the will power you go for it. Many times a potential dragon rider has been killed bc the dragon doesn't accept the rider. Vhagar senses some power within Aemond had therefore tested him which he passed. The dragon claiming scene is one of my favorites
It's important to note that A Dance With Dragons, the GoT prequel that the show is based off of, was canonically written by multiple very unreliable narrators - so the fact that the events are changed in the show shouldn't be surprising. We're seeing what REALLY happened.
Its still an adaptation, not 100% canon. GRRM didn't say this is what actually happened but a another version of it. Only an extension of F&B would be 100% canon
Damn, Jack kills me man. "Hey she wants some heirs with white hairs." Dude that is ridiculously funny and accurate. I literally screamed when he said it.
"Hee gonna take his eye too maybe" Imagine being this dumb. Viserys is a clown who is at the end of his rope. He isn't taking anyone's eye. But the sons will remember how he humiliated their mother.
Honestly I can’t blame Allicent at all. Aemond didn’t throw the first punch. Viserys’ kid got his eye taken and he paid more attention his grandsons called bastards. I’d be HEATED as a mother. And Rhaenyra pissed me off this episode lol.
I used to think Cannon was the older brother but this exchange- Cannon: I’d kill her! Carter: There are so many layers of power- Cannon: I don’t care! I’d kill her!!! -made the sibling dynamic/birth order more obvious lmao
Such a great episode ❤️ I'm back for some more info. 1)At the funeral Vaemond was trying to diss Rhaenyra so Daemon started laughing to attract attention to himself, since everyone would just think he was just being his usual unhinged self. Rhaenyra ran from Rhaenys so fast lol, she definitely didn't want to catch some smoke. Daemon saying "Pentos is my home", all right buddy, stop capping🧢. 2)Finally we saw most of the dragons together! Meleys, Caraxes, Syrax and Seasmoke flying while Dreamfyre and Sunfyre were purched on the ground . Crazy we only see two brief shots of Sunfyre in this episode, it's design seemed sick tho. Like Syrax with pinker wings, I love it! 3)To justify Aemond's action a little. Claiming Vaghar right now was the only chance he would probably have of taming an adult dragon. At King's Landing live few dragons, only his sister's of which is an adult. Most of the unclaimed dragons live in Dragonstone, which is Rhaenyra's castle. Claiming Vaghar at Driftmark at that time was probably his only chance to not get stuck with a hatchling or even remaining empty handed forever. 4)All the info on Vaghar. Vaghar was born on Dragonstone in the time between the Doom of Valirya and the Conquest. All we know is that by the time of the conquest she was already an adult dragon. Her first rider was Queen Visenya Targaryen, older sister of Aegon the Conqueror. Together with Aegon on Balerion and Rhaenys on Meraxes they conquered six of the Seven Kingdoms, exept for Dorne. Meraxes and Rhaenys died while trying to conquering Dorne in 7 AC to witch Aegon and Visenya unlished their fury on Dorne, but they were ultimately unable to hold it. Afterwards Vaghar would chill for the most part, besides quelling some rebellions here and there until Visenya died in 44 AC. Around 73 AC prince Baelon Targaryen (Viserys and Daemon's father) claimed Vaghar, becoming her second rider. In 83 AC Baelon on Vaghar, Aemond on Caraxes and the king Jaehaerys I on Vermithor would quell a whole attempted dornish invasion of the Stormlands by themselves by burning down their whole fleet in one battle. It was specifically noted that Vaghar was the only one to take some damage in the fight, although nothing that serious, so maybe her scarred wings come from that battle. After Baelon died in 101 AC, which directly led to the Great Council, Vaghar would leave the Dragon pit in Kingsland ing to go live in the Narrow See, near the island of Driftmark. Laena Velaryon would find and tame her around a year before the timeskip between episodes 5 and 6 becoming her third rider. After around 11 years together Vaghar would kill Laena on her orders and now Aemond Targaryen has become her fourth rider. 5)While Rhaena reinforces that she had some claim on Vaghar, the truth is different. Dragons are not hereditary, when a rider claims a dragon it's only because the dragon accepted them first. The dragon has the last say in the matter and if they don't accept the claimer they will not let themselves be bonded with them and in the worst case even try to kill anyone they don't deem worthy. Vaghar saw something in Aemond, let herself be scaled and, after a flight test, decided he was worthy. So, while claiming her at her previous rider's funeral might be in poor taste (I've already explained tho how Aemond couldn't let this chance pass him), Aemond has done nothing wrong, legally at least. Rhaena's notion is just a product of her childlike view on dragonriding, which is understandable but doesn't make it true. 6) And now, the confrontation after the fight between the kids. I'll try to explain everyone's actions as best I can, it's gonna be hard. In my opinion, all the 5 children have some portion of blame for what happened. Aemond was the first one to antagonize and the first one to escalate the fight by grabbing the rock. Rhaena was the first one to confront him phisically (due to her understandable but nevertheless flawed notions and Aemond's insult). Baela actually struck the first punch. Jace escalated the fight further by pulling out a knife. And Luke actually struck the only significantly lasting blow in the fight by blinding Aemond permanently. As for the adults. Alicent is understandably overcome by her emotions. Her son has been blinded over some insults, I challenge anyone to remain calm in that situation. Viserys not doing anything about it and actually getting more mad about the gossip on Rhaenyra didn't help and Rhaenyra's "thank you father" was the last straw. Wanting an eye for an eye is unreasonable, but I understand why she acted the way she did. Viserys continues to neglect his other children which only divides his family more and makes Alicent more mad. Rhaenyra arrives and immediately she takes her son's side, despite not even knowing what happened yet. "It was my sons who were attacked and forced to defend themselves", totally cap but even more importantly she doesn't know what happened, she is just choosing to take their side, which is again understandable but that doesn't make what she says right. "Prince Aemond must be sharply questioned..." This has been 100% confirmed that "sharply questioned" means "tortured brutally". Rhaenyra is telling Viserys that her maimed brother must be tortured so that they can know who started some gossip. There is no excuse for this, Rhaenyra is being as unreasonable as Alicent in this moment. Daemon doesn't even check on his daughters, nice one dude. He doesn't even help Rhaenyra directly when Alicent attacks her, he just blocks Criston. Criston's "as your protector my Queen" means "Alicent chill the f out!" How is Criston the most reasonable one in this scene, lol. This is where the divide between the families comes to a boiling point and the factions are starting to solidify. This is my personal opinion, but the divide in the fandom between Greens and Blacks supporters is absurd for me. Mostly because it makes some people demonize the opposition while overlooking their side's faults. This story is so goated because every character is flawed and the sides mentality of some of the fandom I think prevents many from appreciating how marvelously every character has been crafted. As for me, I like every single character while admitting all their flaws that only make them more enjoyable for me, so no matter what happens to everyone I will always feel both hyped and sad. I believe this is the best way to feel to consume this show, but that's just my opinion. Anyways. 7) Valiryan steel was one of the metals that was used by the Valiryan empire. It's a super resiliant metal that lasts through the ages and makes the most lethal weapons. It cuts through flesh without effort since once forged it never loses its sharpness. The art of forging it was lost with time tho and now nobody is left that knows how to forge it. The objects made of Valiryan steel we see in the show are : the necklace Daemon gives Rhaenyra in episode 1, Daemon's sword (named Dark Sister, it was the sword of Visenya Targaryen, Vaghar's first rider), the prophecy dagger and Viserys's sword (we see it when he sits the throne in episode 1 and 4, it's named Blackfyre and was the sword of the Conqueror that gets passed down to the next kings, mostly). 8)And to conclude, Laenor. Rhaenyra and Daemon conspire to fake his death so they can marry each other and leave Laenor free to do what he wants the most. Plus, Laenor shaves his hair to hide his valiryan heritage better. While it can be interpreted as a noble act, they do kill an innocent man and trick Corlys and Rhaenys into thinking that their last child is dead so as always, nothing is black and white with this show, only different shades of gray. And that's all folks! Boy was this whole lot long to write, but I hope you'll appreciate it. See you next time on rambling about Peak Fiction! 😂👍👋
Wonderfully said, I would like to add that Aemond also sneaked around due to the fact if he made his intentions clear of wanting to claim Vhagar it would be shut down by nearly every adult. Same goes for Rhaena. It is always dangerous to claim a dragon but claiming one so closely after its previous rider’s death is risky and basically a death wish
@@agave9906 well said to you too. I almost wrote before that Rhaena could have took the chance herself if she wanted Vaghar so bad if it wasn't for the, you know, mourning her dead mother thing. But you are right, the adults wouldn't have let these 10 year olds attempt to claim her for multiple reasons if they knew their intentions. And, unlike Aemond, Rhaena could have just waited, since Vaghar seemed to wanna remain on Driftmark for the time being at least.
Rhaenyra’s sons are bastards, but in the end they have Rhaenyra’s blood and that’s the most important aspect of succession. Also, if one of them end up inheriting the Iron Throne his last name would be changed from Velaryon to Targaryen.
Not sure if you’ve ever seen GOT, read the books, or are familiar with ASOIAF or just regular human primogeniture but… Rhaenyra’s kids having her blood is like the least important part. And it certainly doesn’t make them Targaryen.
Exactly! And that's why Viserys doesn't care to acknowledge their true father, at the end of the day her daughter's decent in his mind it's going to continue the line of Targaryens.
@@Fhoebys16 Rhaenyra’s children’s cannot be Targaryen. They are either Waters, Strong’s, or Velaryon’s. By blood and genetics the kids simply cannot be labeled as Targaryen’s.
@@DanLanningPRTeamdidn't viserys said jace was going to take the name targaryen after he ascends the throne? Thats what he said to corlys when he questioned what last name the boys will have
@@queenofsatan1210 the only people who’s last names change in ASOIAF are women. Even then, people still view Catelyn as a Tully, Cersei goes by Lannister and never Baratheon. And we never hear anyone call her Alicent Targaryen do we? It’s not as easy as just, “oh the king says they are Targaryen” when every societal structure that exists in Westeros as has been in place since before the Targaryen conquest would never in a million years consider Jace or Luke to EVER have the last name Targaryen.
I'm binging the HOTD Playlist since I found your GOT: Thing is, everyone keeps throwing around that their father is not theor father like it means something. Rhaenerya is the Heir. It matters that they are her children. The King also considers that of more importance. Robert Baratheon kept having his bastards killed because they could come back with a claim to the throne. Meanwhile his BLONDE AF children kept sitting the throne, despite the rumors there as well. So Alicent is really just peddling a rumor that doesnt mean a whole lot and stirring it into something bigger out of fear for her own children. And Otto is the reason she has these children to fear for in the first place.
Just gonna point out the dragons don't pass from parent to child so aemond didn't steal it, once a dragon is riderless he can be claimed by any targaryen that wants it
George RR Martin is a master at building conflicts to a boiling point. House of the dragon and especially game of thrones are at the top of the game by far when it comes to building conflicts to a boiling point AND delivering epic climaxes!!!
In all honesty...as some have probably suggested, y'all could totally react to GOT in tandem with House of The Dragon. The only CAUTION your moderators have to watch out for is a small scene in "Season 3/ episode 4. The guys that have seen GOT might know. Hope y'all pull the trigger, cause House might not end till 2 more seasons. That's a long time to deprive yourselves and your react audience. 🍻
I think now that S1 of HotD is over, they can move onto to GOT, take a break while S2 HotD airs, then continue with GOT, maybe finish it before S3 of HotD comes out. There's nothing really spoilery in GOT except for Joffrey giving Margery a tour of the Sept of Baelor (which they could fast forward past) and by Shireen explaining the Dance of Dragon's (though she doesn't get into specific character outcomes).
The thing about Rhaenyra's kids is that everyone knows they're bastards, but some people - like Corlys - don't care because as long as the king considers them trueborn, they might as well be. The king has the power to legitimize anyone, and his word is law and truth. If Viserys says the boys are his heirs, then they are, no matter what their DNA is.
Thank you! Given the parties to the union between Rhaenyra and Leanor are mainly the Targaryens and Velaryons, they're the ones who are mostly affected. So, the fact that Viserys, Corlys and Laenor recognize the Strongs as theirs is enough proof of legitimacy.
Nah, the king refusing to answer a clear as day question does not make it true, and as I say this there is a clear as day solution to all of the blights that Viserys face, simply recognize them as bastards and then legitimize them, it is the least that incompetent fuck can do after starting a succession crisis out of thin air, he literally inherited the kingdom at it's most peaceful and pulled this shit out of his ass, I'd question how the kingdom didn't fall during his reign but the most likely answer is that Otto and Lyonel did most of the heavy lifting for him, an incompetent king and a horrible as fuck father all around except to Rhaenyra of course, pretty sure he doesn't even remember the fact that he has a third son, named Daeron. Oof pardon my demeanor, this is just me venting frustrations built aloft bullshiterry and poopy fudge.
@@abbygonzales9464 yeah but they need to be hush hush about it coz their society would not like the exception, especially one coming from a female heir. That could potentially dismantle their entire system of succession, as they don't let bastards inherit over trueborns. Then again, Targaryans have lorded over everyone before. But I don't think Viserys wants fire and blood over such matters.
I'm team black all the way! I felt bad for Alicent when she was younger, but once she got older you can see that her actions aren't just otto manipulating her anymore, it's her doing as well.
My issue is, people keep talking about Rhaenyra being selfish at times. But I feel Alicent is just was if not even more selfish. She had ample opportunity to let go of her resentment and make decisions that would be better for everyone, instead she tried her hardest to make war inevitable. It’s like she low-key wanted it to happen so she finally could have some “revenge”. Really weird.
Everyone is shocked when Aemond, hits Jace with the rock, overlooking the fact that Jace was coming at him with a knife. Also, Aemond didn't throw the first punch. He's allowed to defend himself.
"Sharply questioned" means put to torture, so Rhaenyra is demanding that her little half brother be tortured, and trying to get him to name Alicent so she can be accused of treason.
won’t lie, was definitely more leaning towards Alicent this episode cause i mean if you put yourself in her shoes, she’s a mother whose child has just lost an eye over a “lie” which is actually true and Rhaenyra gets to lie and get away with it (as she always does) and is then demanding for her son to get “sharply questioned” when he’s the one that’s actually injured. She was wrong for going after Lucerys’s eye but she was right, what Viserys did was insufficient. He could’ve handled that situation way better but instead disregards the fact that his own son was just maimed (even if it was his own fault) and again defends Rhaenyra blindly, even though she’s literally lying and he and everyone knows she is. I feel like this would just solidify to Alicent what her father said to her that rainy day, which is part of why she tries to take matters into her own hands (other than being bitter). And that “thank you, father” from Rhaenyra would’ve pushed me over the edge too lmao
Nope. Remember the scene in the godswood. The princess ordered Samwell the stay. The queen ordered him to leave. He left. Or consider what happened when Alicent demanded to see Joffrey as soon as he was born. If Rhaenyra out ranks her, why didn't she refuse? Recall when Robert was still alive. Who had more power, Cersei or Joffrey?
nope. the queen outranks the heir, rhaenyra currently is a princess and her being heir means nothing UNTIL she becomes queen. rhaenyra is a princess, alicent is a queen you saw the singer listening to alicent's order and ignoring rhaenyra's at ep3
Idk if anyone else put it in the comments for you, its longer, BUT the Hightowers are one of the oldest houses in Westeros, but they are at the center and close connection with the Citadel/the Maestors. The Maestors are all the doctors. Now take into account every single house has like a crew of Maestors, then all the Maestors at the Citadel. That's a lot of power. Baleryon was originally Aegon the Conqueror's and Vhagar was Visenya's another one of the three conquerors. The Dragon ownership works like HP wands, you attempt to claim the dragon, but the dragon chooses you. So technically as shitty as it feels, Aemond did nothing wrong. Vhagar chose Aemond and that ride he took is basically like the sealing of the bond between dragon and rider. Also, the reason Viserys refuses to acknowledge the fact that Jace, Luke, and Joffrey are bastards is because then its a death sentence to her and those kids. Love your guys reactions 🥰 keep it up! Im excited for you guys to get into GoT and maybe the spinoffs? 🖤 when you get the chance definitely get into the books so much more going on in there. 😁
That attempt to claim Vaghar at Laena's funeral was the salt to the wound, not that he got to claim Vaghar per se. Had this been any other day, I don't think Laena's kids would have had any right to be mad at him. Remember how Rhaena says: that's my mother's dragon, and not MY dragon. She probably thought she had a shot at it. But she wanted to wait until she's done grieving properly. And expected anyone, who planned on claiming Vaghar, to do the same.
@@happilyevernever4289 yes as I said, it felt shitty, but at no point is Aemond in the wrong for claiming Vhagar because the reality is that Vhagar chose to accept Aemond as her next rider.
@@fernandacaldasn false. There is a line of succession. If Rhaerya dies, the throne goes to Jace. If Jace dies, it goes to Luke. Then it's Joffrey, then Aegon, then Helena, then Aemond, then Daeron, and then Daemon. The whole reason everyone was pushing Viserys to remarry was to produce more heirs.
@@fernandacaldasn again you are wrong. By your logic, Rhaenyra is just a princess because Viserys is still alive. The children are all heirs. Given how common death during childbirth is, Rhaenyra could easily die. A sickness or a war could decimate the royal line. All the heirs are therefore valuable. Viserys literally said as much to Rhaenyra when she confronted Daemon over the egg. Further Alicent isn't nothing. She is the wife of the king, the daughter of the hand, and mother of several heirs.
yes she should die for it. she harmed the heir to the throne and tried to attack another heir after rhaenyra. allicent and crispín get away with too much.
Jack not getting why Laenor would go along with the faking his death plan is wild lol. Especially as one of the two that has watched GOT. Just look at what happened to Renly and Loras. The seven kingdoms are not kind to gay men. Even though he loves Rhaenyra, he's miserable. His sister just died, his dad doesn't accept him, and he's not into politics. He's a warrior. You're giving me free rein to leave the country with my lover and go do whatever I want?? Bet say less
I totally understand him leaving with his lover but I couldn’t get why he would leave his grieving family right when they just lost his sister and they “lost” him too. For me it was just that the timing was terrible
20:45 two episodes ago, Alicent was quiet, calm and obedient,... Now She wants take an eye of a innocent child, even after the King Said to make peace with them 😅🤷 i mean they destroied a great chatacter and they destroied the show. What are we doing here? Again, everyone in the same Room. Make cheaper show to not show many places at once 😅
Oh.. and "sharply questioned" as Rhaenyra demands her mutilated younger brother be means torture It has only ever been a euphism for tortured, just to keep in mind
Team Black. Everyone that is Team Green seems to hate Rhaenyra for pursueing happiness and having kids with Harwin and not Laenor. People think she is a bad person for that but that doesn’t make her a bad person, that makes her human. All she did was pursue her own happiness. She never did anything evil or bad, even though her pursuing happiness causes negative consequences for others, she didn’t mean for those consequences to happen, she was just a young human teen trying to pursue happiness. It’s infinitely relatable.
Aemond is akin to Joaquin Phoenix's Joker. If he had shown that "I gained a dragon" swagger before and not berate and physically assault his cousins, all of this could've been avoided. The first time he has achieved a prideful accomplishment and he abused it; his eye is his own fault.
Pretty sure Rhaena and Baela initiated the fight, both verbally and physically. Aemond simply defended himself. Did he go a bit overboard? Perhaps, but when you're down on the ground while four people are assaulting you adrenaline kinda kicks in.
Guys, Vhagar is such a big deal in this show not only because she's the biggest living dragon at this point, but she's also the og dragon from The Conquest! I mean, Aegon conquered Westeros with his two sister-wifes: Rhaenys and Visenia. All three rode dragons. Aegon rode Balerion The Black Dread ( the biggest one), Rhaenys's dragon was Meraxes and Visenia rode Vhagar (the second largest after Balerion). Balerion and Meraxes are gone at this point, but Vhagar is the last one still living. So, getting Vhagar means not only getting power but also prestige. It's like, you have a dragon who is a war veteran and who conquered Westeros... 😳🔥,🖤
Wow, that’s epic 😂
Meraxes was actually bigger than Vhagar while they were both alive
I think Meraxes was actually bigger than Vhagar at one point but Vhagar grew to be larger bc Meraxes died before she could grow to be as large.
Also dragons never stop growing so Vhagar will continue to be the largest as long as she's alive
I wish the show established dragons more. Its so ironic and mid that we get entire show dedicated to dragons but we are not really given necessary information and important facts. The plot should have shown how important each dragon is and what each of them means but it is left unsaid so when we (i mean ppl who haven't read the books) react to dragons, all we can see is that they are big, one might look more dangerous than the other etc.
Laenor is living his life like what Sir Crispin imagines he would have with Rhaenyra. Collecting oranges and cinnamon.
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Bahahahhahahah😂😂 I shouldn't have laughed so hard🥹
Laenor said, “Riches, I’m out!”
hbo did cole dirty, he's not an idiot in the book..and of course they let laenor live so that daemon and rhaenyra would loo like the good guys..GOT season 8 type of writing
@@DamnTheBeaversCalm down, even the greens are whitewashed in the show to make them look good. Alicent is a bitch in the series as well tho
Daemon was laughing because Corlys' brother was being so hilariously blatant in attacking Rhaenyra's sons in his eulogy, beating that dead horse of "pure Velaryon blood". It was like, "Damn, man, you're not even trying to be subtle. Pathetic." He wasn't laughing about his wife's death.
Yeah exactly
Seeing Viserys losing his shit from all the drama is the highlight of the show for me
Well, its drama he fucking created so he deserves be at the very least be stressed out about it.
Viserys is arguably the worst king in Targaryen history.
The fandom gets so lost in Paddy Considine love that they overlook what an ineffectual milquetoast ruler he is. Maybe, too, because his family seem on the opposite end of the spectrum and that feels dangerous, too.
Deserves it after all he did to Aemma...
@ningPRTeam Hell no. He wasnt a good king, but far from the worst. Daeron, Baelor and Aegon IV were far worse, not to mention Aerys, the Mad King. Daeron took Westeros to war for no good reason, causing the deaths of thousands, Baelor locked his family in a vault, promoted a child to High Septon, wasted endless money on building ridiculous septs while ignoring his duties as King, and Aegon caused endless strife, pit the Brackens and Blackwoods against each other, fathered endless bastards, created the Blackfyre line, gave away the Targaryens ancestral sword, and his actions directly resulted in 5 civil wars (The 5 Blackfyre rebellions). And we all know what Aerys did!
Viserys wasnt a good king, but he was no where near the worst. Viserys' inaction allowed the Dance of Dragons to come to fruition, Otto was the main reason for it imo.
Oh and Maegor the Cruel....how could I forget about him! Nah Viserys was mid tier......I am not having that he was the worst, not by a long shot.
Fun fact: the funeral scene was shot first in this show. The kids actors were not familiar with each other and the awkwardness between them is what the show needed. The showrunners and directors were geniuses.
Damn. Their acting is also so good!
Are you implying that the awkwardness between world class actors is cause they didn't film any scenes prior to this one? Idk if you heard that in an interview or just read it from someone online, but that sounds like such bs, world class actors wouldn't be shy around other cast members while filming just cause it's the first scene, they're professionals for God's sake
@@ninadavidovic9644 From the book "Game of Thrones: House of the Dragon: Inside the Creation of a Targaryen Dynasty" it says the very first scene filmed for House of the Dragon came from episode 7, "Driftmark".
@@ninadavidovic9644 And I'm not saying they are shy but their relationship is quite suitable for their characters. They haven't seen each other in years in the show.
@@ninadavidovic9644 why are you so triggered over this?
“Oh your grace…check your airdrop” LMFAOO😭
Lmao seeing the two who’ve seen game of thrones laugh when lucerys said “I don’t want it” was hilarious😂
Which two have seen GOT?
@@lucblanchard4116 Jack and McKay
Oh shit, I have to go back to see that! lol
Jon Snow catching strays 😂😂😂
I don’t get it
Guys, Vhaegar is literally the biggest flying nuke in that world. She is a sweet old grandma who will F SHIT UP in a fight
Cannon: I don't know how Game of Thrones could be better than what we watching
Really make me excited for him to experience GOT later.
...and the disappointed for the latter seasons.
YESS, I am waiting for it too ! So excited ! 🤣🥹✨
@@qwyxiiiqwyxiii6071 At least that's years away for them. The first 4 season still hit like nothing else even to this day.
Game of Thrones is the greatest show ever at its peak and I love hotd but so far I enjoyed got s1 more than hotd s1 and the dialogue and characters are better written and more entertaining
This season of HoTD is better than season 1 in GoT honestly. So it's not like a fair comparison comparing a whole show of 8 seasons (7 in my mind) and just one season of HoTD.
"The whole castle burned down. "
"Oh yeah, he hired the homeless guys" 🤣 This whole commentary is hilarious.
Aemond earned vaegar by claiming her . dragons aren't promised , they are claimed except for the eggs
Rhaena's own mother tells her that: if you want to be a dragonrider you have to claim that right.
@@reinsaxony4623 the more reason why i respect aemond
Love their reaction to the kids fighting😂.
They’re wrong send for rooting for aemond
@@Jimmyconway77Aemond was in the right? Even a black fan should admitcrhat
Aemond was in the right @@Jimmyconway77
To adress why the king is questioned so much. The power hierarchy is exponentially all over the place as the story progresses. That's a sight of bad ruleship and a ticking bomb for a monarchy. Love it.
Yes, Alicent technically injured the heir but as you guys could see, viserys is not exactly a stickler to tradition so he’s not gonna kill the woman’s who been taking care of him for the past 10 years and is the mother of four of his children
that's not how it works, princess rhaenyra doesn't outrank queen alicent in power station, alicent was worried because that's not what is expected of a queen to go mad and lose her sense and attack her daughter in law, that's why everyone was shocked.
viserys can't punish alicent because she's of a noble ancient house (house hightower) and targareyn would have bad relationship with them if viserys does this.
@@jamien368The King can do anything the king wants to do. He is literally THEE KING! Everyone answers to him and if they don’t they can be killed or imprisoned.
@@EchanteDante yes he can just execute alicent not thinking of the consequences of this choice, but even kings suffer consequences or clueless when it comes to that? viserys NEEDS to keep trustful and healthy relationship with oldtown and the faith, harming the hightower QUEEN would be the dumbest thing to do, you really think of setting the throne as more of a the highest privilege and power yet less responsibility when in truth is the opposite, a ruler SHOULDN'T SIT COMFORTABLY IN HIS THRONE, comfort and happiness isn't part of doing duty or ruling and it doesn't need to be.
@@jamien368 umm he got f*ckin dragons. Pretty sure he can do what he wants. It wouldn’t be the most moral thing but when have we known political leaders to be the most moral people?
@@EchanteDante the last Targaryen king that went against Hightowers before the dance was killed and know as the cruel, Viserys knew better
I’ve never supported incest so much in my life.
Team black is the least incestuous imo. In a roundabout way, that's everyones issue with Rhaenyra lol. She's only got one foot in the door, doesnt play the game well. Its like punk rocker liberals vs conservatives in the 90s... but medieval lol. Rhaenyra as a kid was blasting rage against the machine. One could argue the hightowers and Targaryen's arent incestuous but they'd be wrong. You quickly find out, reading the books that all the houses are related and forever swapping with eachother lol.
We all come from incest when Adam and Eve were expelled from the garden and their children had to marry each other.
@@superkoopatrooper4879 Every house wants power from the targaryens, so their blood has to be everywhere for sure.
@@superkoopatrooper4879can’t believe the showrunners reduced a grey and nuanced conflict into:
Punk rock libfem Rhaenyra vs. Repressed Lesbian Georgia Conservative mom
But what else can you expect from modern tv?
@@superkoopatrooper4879My issue with Rheanyra isn't the incest, but that fact that although she claims to want to be heir, she keeps doing things to lessen her claim.
The guy in the middle was spot on when one of the others asked how anyone could sympathize with Alicent: she was forced to marry someone around twice her age to please her father, carry his children and care for them (we've never seen Viserys interact with his younger kids in any meaningful way, btw), also: she was lied to by her best friend and stood up for said best friend which led to her father not being the Hand anymore and had to leave her, Larys intentionally interpreted her frustration as "kill the Hand and his son" which makes him have a leverage over her. She was used sexually as a brood mare for years and her father convinced her that Rhaenyra would eventually have to kill her children, leading to fear and paranoia. I am far from agreeing with all of Alicent's choices, but I DO understand them. Especially here: her child lost an eye because he succeeded in claiming a dragon. The child's father is content with basically ignoring this, not even listening to all of the kids and trying to understand what happened, and I fully sympathize with Alicent's anger and desperation.
Even though most people just think Princess Helaena is weird and awkward I believe she is meant to be clairvoyant. In episode 6 (17:40) Queen Alicent is telling Prince Aemond "You will have a dragon one day" and to which Princess Helaena promptly says; some what under her breath "He'll have to close an eye". I got chills after the kids fighting scene in this episode because of it!
Yeah, she's a full-on dragon dreamer, like Rhaegar.
She is a Cassandra type of character.
She's a dreamer (psychic) AND the writers confirmed she's also on the autism spectrum (which by their standards would just make her seem crazy). I feel so sorry for Helaena...she's genuinely one of the few completely innocent characters on the green side.
Otto's family is super important in westeros. The Hightowers rule over Oldtown which was historically the biggest and richest city in westeros until Aegon built King's Landing. This makes them ones of the richst families on the continent (not as much as the Lannisters and the Velaryons tho). Oldtown is also the headquarters for the Faith of the Seven at this point in history, which gives them influence over the main religion in westeros. The order of the Maesters is also headquartered there with the Citadel being located in Oldtown. Oldtown is kinda the "main city" of westeros besides King's Landing, which makes the Hightowers were powerful and influential. They are also one of the oldest Houses in the Realm, predating even the current Liege lords of their province (The Reach), The Tyrells.
Aemond claimed vhaegar and she accepted him there’s no such thing as stealing a dragon if vhaegar had refused him she would burned him to crisp
You don't inherit dragons, you claim them. It's highly doubtful Vhagar would have accepted one just because Laena was her mother, dragons don't work like that. Love your reactions btw!
Daemon saying „you were a child“ and still having married laena whos way younger then Rhaenyra… the irony
LOL the writers really tried to make Daemon seem "ok" in this but Laena was still young... I think she was 16 in the show.
You really think this is how people view the situation? Laena looked like a mature woman grown while Rhaenyra looked 14.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 that makes it okay? As long as the child looks adult enough, its all alright?
You guys have watched Game Of Thrones, right? Are y'all unaware of how marriage was in medieval times? Why are you applying 21st century morality to a show set in medieval times where there are dragons and magic and somehow incest doesn't make you look like a Habsburg and also those people are immune to fire by the way oh and killing someone right in front of other people is perfectly accepted - but somehow y'all think that a 35 year old marrying a 16 yr old who is technically, according to them, a grown woman ready for marriage, is somehow the worst thing ever?
@@rexibhazoboa7097There are dragons in this show and incest is perfectly accepted but somehow you think a 16 yr old marrying a 35 yr old is the worst thing ever?
15:29
Girl: It's him
Aemond: It's me. I'm HIM 😎
Cringe
@@Jimmyconway77no actually it was pretty epic
@@sofia-ou3uf I loved the scene. “I’m HIM 😎” is cringe. Wish I could mute that phrase
@@Jimmyconway77 Same way I wish I could erase that comment
Team Black all the way!
You guys were great to call it - that it was a fake leanor that was killed. Most reactors don’t catch that.
Yeah Therese characters are all gray - no god and bad is clearly demarcated but team Black is just more interesting. On team
Green - only Aemond has that likeable swag(despite being bad)
I love your reactions! Can’t wait to keep watching
innocent servant still died tho
@@jamien368 no one really cares about morals. At least not when it comes to the blacks
@@jamien368unknown servant nobody gave af about lol sure
That's funny I prefer team green because I think they are more interesting. On rewatch I tend to start skipping the blacks scenes.
Aemond is definitely a grey character imo. The only clear good character on the Greens side is Helaena.
House Hightower are one of the wealthiest and most powerful houses during this time. They are the 3rd wealthiest behind Lannister and Velaryon. Oldtown the seat of House Hightower is the oldest and largest city in the Seven Kingdoms, its also the center of the Faith of the Seven the main Religion of the crown and the Maesters of the Citadel, who are the knowledge keepers of the world. The Hightowers as a result are a very important and influential House, they also have huge political power, and they are also the strongest military power in The Reach, which is the southwestern most Kingdom. Theres also a fun theory that they may be distance ancestors of an ancient dragonlord kingdom from the far east. 😉
16:36 Cannon felt the pain in his eye🤣
Let’s goo!!! These last three episodes are *chefs kiss* can’t wait to see y’all’s reaction!
In the asoiaf world Sharply questioned mean torture that's why alicent said 'over an insult'.
Dragon Lore:
A dragonrider can only bond with one dragon in their lifetime, a dragonrider cannot ride multiple dragons. Once a dragon is bonded with a rider, they cannot bond without another until that dragonriders death. Laena Velaryon didn't bond with Vhagar until after the death of Prince Baelon (Visery & Daemon's father). Aemond is able to bond with Vhagar now that Laena is dead.
Dragons are not passed from parent to child. Did Rhaena (Daemon and Laena's daughter) expect to claim Vhagar? Yes. (The other daughter, Baela, already has a dragon that hatched named Moondancer). However, before Laena Velaryon, Vhagar was riden by Baelon (see above). Another example is Caraxes the Bloodwyrm (Daemon's dragon), who was previously ridden by Prince Aemon (Princess Rhaenys' father).
The three dragons you see flying away at the end of the episode are Sunfyre (known as Sunfyre the Golden, Aegon's mount), Dreamfyre (Helaena's mount), and of course Vhagar.
High Valyrian Traslations:
Dohaeras - obey/serve
Lykiri - calm/calm down
Soves - fly
Fun Fact:
All of Viserys' children with Alicent had to claim existing dragons (Aegon claimed Sunfyre, Helaena claimed Dreamfyre, and Aemond claims Vhagar in this episode. Even their fourth child [I don't believe he's been shown yet in the show and I'm not sure if they've casted him for season 2, or if he's even written in because he is a major part of the war] claimed an existing dragon)
On the other hand, Rhaenyra's children (Jacaerys, Lucerys and Joffrey) got eggs in the cradles that hatched their dragons (Vermax from the previous episode, Arrax who you'll see in ep10, and Tyraxes who we probably won't get to see until later seasons). The hatching of these dragon eggs helps prove they are of legitimate Targaryen blood
Now for the accusations of bastardy:
Book lore is that the Velaryons are not black, they are white like the rest of the Targaryens. The TV show making the Velaryons black adds to the suggestion that Rhaenyra's three sons are bastards.
Book lore also states that Princess Rhaenys, Lord Corlys's wife, has the black hair of House Baratheon from her mother. Once again, the TV show making her have the trademark Valyrian white hair just adds more suspicion.
If the TV show followed book lore exactly, there is a reasonable explanation of Rhaenyra's children having dark hair and skin color wouldn't be different. Plus, like I said, their dragon eggs hatching helped quell rumors of their parentage because no matter what, their blood proved they were Targaryens who could bond with dragons.
Also, in the books, it's never 100% confirmed that Rhaenyra's sons are bastards. Just saying....
I mean of course Rhaenyra’s kids are Targaryen blood. She gave birth to them so that was never any doubt. The question is if they’re legitimate, and having a dragon hatch in the cradle isn’t proof of that.
This is a looot of spoiler
@@yeahkeen2905it is to them not to us the audience of course but also those boys do have veleryon blood which is why I hate the change cause that means aegon the conqueror was half black in this show because his mother was a veleryon as was all the other veleryons who married into the family after aegon so yes those boys not only have Targaryen/strong/arryn/veleryon in their blood they definitely have way more Targaryen thanks to rhaenyera’s mother also having Targaryen blood they have equal or more Targaryen blood in them.
Incorrect that a person can only bond with a single dragon throughout their life time, this is literally never stated, shown or implied.
Quite the opposite, Targaryens believed they could claim new dragons if their dragons died.
And there's no resonable explanation for the bastardy in the books. Her sons have brown hair, not black Baratheon hair. Rhaenys has purple eyes despite not having silver hair. Rhaenyra has silver hair and purple eyes, so does Laenor, still all 3 of her sons have brown hair and brown eyes, they're 100% bastards sired by Harwin Strong.
In the books the bastards are 100% bastards.
@@reinsaxony4623 wtf 100% bastard means😂😂 they have targaryen blood. Now if their features look more like the Strong guy, that doesn’t mean they are not Targaryen at all lol
"how could anyone like alicent??"
"she's a product of being used" yesyesyes, he knows
The boys are back.
This makes me feel like im back at college watching my favorite shows with my buddies.
Dragons aren’t heirlooms though and they have their own wills and minds in which rider can claim them. They aren’t slaves as the series goes on to say, and sometimes they won’t listen to their riders 👁️👁️
I see what u did there
Aemond is my absolute favorite character in this show
The reaction after hearing "I don't want it" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 same same
And with that kid's hair!! Attitude and looks.
I don’t think it’s in this reaction, but I thought it was such a sweet moment when Laenor says he hates the gods for making him as they did and Rhaenyra says she doesn’t. I can’t imagine what it must be like to be coerced into a relationship with someone you fundamentally can’t love like you’re supposed to. I know it was mostly to serve Rhaenyra’s own ends and not a huge act of charity, but I’m glad Laenor and Ser Karl got the happiest ending that was possible in this gritty world.
Honestly I keep seeing people blaming Aemond in this situation, but I do not think it was his fault, at least not entirely, and all of this situation started because his cousins and nephews went after him and they were the first to punch and make accusions. That and the adults who seem to neglect to tell them that a dragon isn't a thing they pass on, the dragon chooses his rider.
Aemond since he was born, always was taught that Rhaenyra's children are bastards and shouldn't have any claim to the throne, add to that fact of them having a dragon and him not, which is a birthright to any targaryen, and Alicent literally teaching him he is more targaryen/have more rights than his nephews, plus the bullying, we have here the result.
The kids have being feeling/taught/seeing how the adults react to one another, and they copy them. If you see in this episode, despite the bullying, Aemond gives a sympathetic smile to Jace because he knows Jace is suffering because of Ser Harwin's death. But the moment he claims Vhagar and he finds his nephews (plus the girls but I think what triggers him is Jace and Luke) being hostile against Aemond, he feels he is being accused/bullied one more time, regardless if he has or not a dragon, he feels that Jace and Luke will always be against him. Almost everyone, who hadn't any healthy exposure and do not know how to deal with their own feelings or how to deal with a delicate situations where accusions are being made (and let's not forget he is still a child too), their first mechanism of defence is to save themself by hurting back, that is what happened to Aemond and eventually with all of kids. All were suffering, hurting and not knowing how to deal with their emotions so they react physically.
For Aemond, this is his bullies who always were ready to laugh because he didn't have a dragon, and now that he has one, they come after him because they don't like it too that he had claimed a dragon.
There is no winning, in Aemond's perpective, they will always find a way to dislike him, to laugh or to attack him.
Though obviously, Aemond too escalate the things, but just like Jace did by bring a knife to the fight.
But for me, this is all fault of the adults that surrounded these kids : Starting with Otto and his schemes, ending with Alicent and her fears and envy. Viserys with his neglectful way towards his children with Alicent and his favouritism towards Rhaenyra, and Rhaenyra who never try to have any relationship with her siblings who had nothing to do with her problems with Alicent and Viserys. If she only had a nice relationship with them, to encourage them to have a friendship with her sons, perhaps this could had being avoided. But it is what it is. 🤷♀️
I mean I am team neutral with inclination for Rhaenyra because she is the heir, but there is no denial that all this people are wrong and they managed to bring their kids to their own problems and eventual their demise.
Honestly I dont blame for Alicents reaction to the situation either, if my son was permanently mauled by his relatives, my husband refused to take any action, and then his sister demanded that he be tortured, I would probably do more than just a cut on her arm.
@tatumgallahair7729 I totally agree with you. If it was my son, how could I be calm in this situation?
I mean, I think the show made just an excellent scene here. Two mothers trying to defend their kids and also with just a deep hurtful past.
If you put yourself in Rhaenyra's shoes, in part you can understand her actions, because she is in her mother bear mode, Luke took an eye of a prince of the realm and he could pay an ultimate price if she doesn't do anything and having exposition of the bastardy of her sons is a danger subject, so she defends them as much as she could with everything she can use, but she was to harsh and even put some of her personal conflict with Alicent towards Aemond : "he should be questioned sharply", afterall she knew who was whispering this informations to Aemond and his siblings, her target was Alicent and she wanted to stop her. But by this action only made Aemond more devoted to his mother and to the green cause.
On the other side, there is Alicent with her son without an eye and no one is defending him. In Alicent perspective, Otto's words were proven in this very moment, Rhaenyra would kill her siblings after she is queen without a second thought. And obviously, Viserys doesn't help when he doesn't care, he does nothing besides always defending Rhaenyra and even going far by questioning his injury son without caring for his pain. Alicent could no longer endure what she sees as a shameful behaviour of Rhaenyra and the neglect of Viserys, but she also fails to understand that it is the world, its rules and her own father who made her to have a life she does not wanted it and deep down she hates it.
I just love this episode and all of this scene. 😅 so much to peel, so many perpectives it is like an onion.
Yea when I first watched season 1 I was sort've on the bash Aemond bandwagon as well cuz I thought to myself he did "steal" the dragon, but honestly after realizing how badly they tormented him for not owning a dragon it only makes sense that he would go out and claim one lol, and as you stated there's no such thing as inheriting a dragon. A dragon must be claimed by the rider.
@@olavu11 Yes, no dragon is a thing to be passed to father to son. If Vhagar didn't want Aemond, make sure we would know that. Aemond would be roasted on the spot, just like it had happened to others. If a dragon was passed as an inheritance, then Caraxes wouldn't be Daemon's, but instead Rhaenys' and Meleys wouldn't be Rhaenys', but it would be Daemon's or Viserys', etc etc. For me, Vhagar has a type of rider, which is a person with the boldest personality (to Visenya, Baelon, Laena, and Aemond all have that in common and probably other similar traits). Rhaena is a child much more gentle, if perhaps it was Baela who haven't a dragon, Baela who has a much more Daemon's personality, perhaps Vhagar would accepted her but I am of opinion that Rhaena, Vhagar wouldn't accept her. That and very likely Laena took the twins to fly with her, Vhagar knew them since they were in Laena's womb, if Vhagar had any inclination to have Rhaena has her rider, she wouldn't have accepted Aemond.
It is not the Targaryens who choose a full-grown dragon to claim. They may try to claim it, but in the end, it is the dragon's willing power that chooses to accept them or not, not the way around. Ultimately, I would say that we and the Targaryens say wrong. It is the dragon who claims its rider and accepts him or her.
@@olavu11 he stole the dragon of their mother at her funeral? Like he is a psychopath or soziopath. he is dangerous and evil at that
a dragon is not a car, you can't "steal" it. Dragons in the lore have near-human if not greater than human intelligence, there is no such thing as "someone's dragon", there is only a bond that can be made once a new rider makes the act of claiming the dragon. Dragons are not heirlooms, they do not pass along a single lineage, whoever tries to claim the dragon runs the risk of the dragon not wanting them as their rider and killing them right then and there. This has happened to targaryens in the past
It sure seems to me like Aemond stole her dragon ☠️
@@brigandrus to who? to the girls it might seem like their dragon was stolen but thats irrelevant, the bottom line is that the dragon was never their's, their mistake was assuming that the dragon was hers to claim. No dragon is anyone's to claim, if you go and claim them and the dragon accepts you then the dragon is yours. Like I said, its not a car, you don't own a dragon so you can't steal a dragon, just the same way you can't steal a person
@@lazarzivkovic3393 okay so I guess I can go steal someone’s dog if it likes me 🤣
@@brigandrus you’re arguing in bad faith, you know that’s not the same. I already said that dragons intelligence levels are more or less par with humans. They understand speech, have their own thoughts and intentions. You can own a dog, dogs are property of their owners, you cannot own a dragon, that would be equivalent to owning a human
@brigandrus with that logic, Laena stole it from Aemonds family. It should have never been hers to begin with.
You can't "take" a dragon.
They choose the rider, Aemond was quicker on the draw.
For anyone that thinks that Aemond stole the dragon, it’s actually impossible. The dragons aren’t pasted down like vases. Daemon claimed his uncles Dragon, Caraxes and Rhaenys claimed meleys, who once belonged to Daemon and viserys’s mother. Vhagar had two riders before Laena, one of which was Aemonds grandfather. Aemond and Rhaena had the same amount of right to claim her. Aemond just got there first and there was no guarantee anyway that Vhagar would’ve accepted rhaena.
well thats kinda misleading. Dragons are passed down in a certain way. You can track the passing of Balerion for instance and see that it was passed down from Aegon the conqueror to his son and all the way down to Viserys.
@@govinddas7876 no it’s not misleading because yes, all Targaryen‘s have a certain amount of opportunity and claim to a riderless dragon but maegor and Viserys didn’t get the ride balerion just because aegon did. They shared targaryen blood, but baelerion did not acknowledge man made inheritance rituals when forming the bond between dragon and rider. He just saw the targaryen blood and if that was the case, every Targaryen would pass down their dragon upon their death to their child, but it doesn’t work that way or else Meleys would’ve went to Daemon and Caraxes would’ve went to rhaenys. Rhaena could’ve very well claimed Vhagar but she was not entitled to it based on the fact she was Laenas daughter, but that she had Valyrian blood. She had the same amount of right as aemond did because they’re both targaryen‘s. Anyways even if it was passed down, by that logic Laena had no right as a Velaryon but she is Valyrian making her able to claim Vhagar. Rhaena and Aemond share a grandfather that rode Vhagar but that doesn’t mean it automatically goes to either of them, it was Vhagars choice. That was never even the issue amongst the adults. None of the adults cared or said that it was wrong that aemond claimed Vhagar because half the Targaryens in the room had to claim their dragon. The issue was always that he mentioned the boys being bastards. If dragons did recognize the parent child bond, Syrax never would’ve thrown Joffrey off her back, killing him.
@@jordanrivers5825 I agree to a certain extent. And I even believe Aemond wasn't wrong. He technically isn't wrong. But that does not mean he's not an asshole for claiming Vhagar in the middle of the night while the family including the girls were mourning their dead mother.
When we're talking about the 'inheritance' of dragons, we're talking about two different things.
1 - the natural instict of a dragon to accept a rider when one presents itself. Aemond has done no wrong here.
2- The human ritual of inheritance from parent to child. If the family were to wake the next morning, I would assume they would allow Rhaena to have a chance first, because it feels the most natural to do so. Aemond is wrong here.
So yeah I understand what you're saying but he's still a dick is my point.
@@govinddas7876 I honestly think the reason he snuck out in the middle of the night was because he was worried his mother wouldn’t let him do it, because it was so dangerous, I don’t think that anybody in Rhaena‘s life, other than Daemon would’ve allowed her to attempt to claim her either, at least not until either of them were older, so Aemond was absolutely out of pocket for mouthing off to them but he was taking his anger out on the boys on them unfairly and he was a child at the end of the day. I don’t think he was thinking of “I have to get to Vhagar before Rhaena does. I’m stealing their mothers dragon” I think he was thinking “this is my only shot. I have to do it under the cover of night because mother will stop me if I don’t.” He was 10 years old and his desperation was so strong it was literally life or death for him. He was either going to claim her or he was going to die in the attempt and be done with it.
@@jordanrivers5825 that's fair. I do agree that he didn't do it with the intent of hurting the girls. And tbf I think most people in his situation would do the same.
Good talk! I haven't spoken to anyone about ASOIAF in a long time so it's fun to be back chatting about this world again!
Team Black all the way, but can't help but respect Aemond. Both sides have great compelling characters.
The king is not dumb. He knows her kids aren’t legitimate. But like he said in a previous episode, there will be dire consequences if they give the rumor any credence. His daughter and children could die. His heir will at the very least will be displaced and their subjects/power hungry court members will revolt. Also, she did try to have legitimate children, but her husband was either infertile or they just weren’t lucky the few times he would “do his duty”. Without children, her seat on the thrown would be easier to challenge. Living in court is like living in a constant state of conflict and survival. She needed children quickly. Also, the Queen consort does not have a higher place than the heir apparent. It’s convoluted, but attacking the Princess is kind of treason. Team Taboo all the way.
he's dumb, to defend something obvious in front of people is DUMB, even aegon made viserys look dumb there "just look at them", viserys is the dumbest and weakest king ever
What rhae rhae did was treason
@@p1ysaucedo a child resulting in an affair wouldn’t have been treason as long as it wasn’t against the king.
its really difficult to choose a team because everyone in each one have their goods and bads. i think people tend to forget that
"Do not mourn me mother, it was a fair exchange, I may have lost and eye, but I have gained a dragon" THE COLDEST LINE DELIVERY EVER. This Ep is where my Aemond Fandom started
It's so much fun to watch your reaction to HOTD! I love you guys❤
The Hightowers gain their power from not only being one of the oldest families but also the ones who created the Order of the Maesters (the Religious order). They also used to be the old Capital of Westeros before the Targaryens invaded. They still remain in the GOT timeline a powerful and old family, they still have close relations with the Maesters and Oldtown is still their seat (which is shown in the original series).
Now Otto is interesting because he is not the main lord of the family. He is the second son, like Daemon is (except not a Prince ofc haha). So his line is not the main Hightower line and while Alicent was a powerful match for Viserys that made sense, it was definitely more above his stature as he is a second son and doesn’t stand to inherit unless his brother and his brothers children died.
Small correction. The Maesters are not the religious order. The religious center is also in Oldtown though.
@@TheEnecca ah yes, that’s where I got a bit mixed up. They’re more the healing order
🖤🖤🖤all day, every day
Viserys had always known that the boys were Harwin's sons since the beginning, but he loved Rhaenyra the most. So, he just pretended to deny it, and that's why he threatened to cut off their tongues if he heard this rumor again because he knew it was true
I don't know if he knows actually, he's so blinded in his bias towards Rhaenyra that he maybe believes anything she says.
@@Fenix-lr6ez I guess we’ll never know
You guys keep saying Rhaenyra isn’t a good person but what has she done other than have an affair? An affair as you guys now know was necessary
She lied to Allicent about being found with Daemon which drove a wedge between Allicent and her father, along with swearing on her mother's memory it was the truth.
@@cryocian7214 no. alicent asked if she had sex with daemon and rhaenyra said no which was the truth. otto being a rat and alicent misinterpreting what rhaenyra said isn’t her problem
@@cryocian7214she said she didn't sleep with Daemon, which is true 🤷🏾♀️ Alicent somehow misremembered that as "she promised she's a virgin"
@@cryocian7214 Wow! Such a big deal... lmao. Except it's half true, cause Rhaenyra only said that Daemon never touches her (as Alicent said: "f**k her in the brothel" 🤣) which was true.
On the other hand, Alicent- the FRIEND (sister-like!) didn't say a word to Rhaenyra that she is dating her FATHER just a day after Rhaenyra's mom died!!!! I mean, she's a friend af 💀💀 She also kept silent that she was sent to Vicerys by Otto (Alicent exactly knew why. She is older than Rhaynyra, she knows what's up, that's why she was so stressed out...)
...but, yeah, Rhaenyra is such a bad person cause she didn't say that she had sex... 🤦♀😂😂
@@cryocian7214 She promised she didn't sleep with Daemon, which she didn't. But she did lie about being a virgin, which honestly, I don't think this is "immoral" because Alicent would have used this information against her. I know I am seeing this through a modern lense, but I don't like the idea of asking someone if they're a virgin, as if we are entitled to that information. Also, if Rhaenyra were a guy she could sleep around with whoever she wanted, being a virgin would not have been a concern whatsoever. Alicent's anger at this "lie" likely stems from jeleousy over the fact the only person she has ever gotten to sleep with was an old man who was quite literally rotting away. Alicent's longstanding anger over the fact her friend slept with someone and didn't tell her just seems petty for no reason.
Otto's family is powerful because the Hightowers rule Oldtown, which is a huge major city in Westeros and its the headquarters of The faith of the seven (most popular religion in Westeros) and its the headquarters of the order of the maesters (the doctor/scientist/scholar guys). So they do have influence over major institutions in this world. There's even a theory in the books of a Hightower and maester conspiracy and that the maesters are actually poisoning Viserys instead of healing him.
I do feel really bad that Layna's daughters couldn't get one damn day to grieve b4 claiming their mothers dragon & Legacy. It is upsetting.
Right? Everyone is always like “I feel bad for X, Y, Z” but Rhaena and Baela are getting volleyed around like tennis balls and relegated to the background
Probably took some days at least to travel from Essos to Driftmark and gather everyone for the funeral.
Who knows, Vhagar might have rejected or injured the daughter during the claim attempt.
And their uncle dies a day or so later
You do realise they didnt teleport from the other continent back to Driftmark in Westeros? Took them about a week to get back home. She would've gotten over the shock of her mother being dead by then.
i put the blame more on daemon tbh, his kids apparently dont know how dragon-rider bonds work (they called aemond a thief), he knows how important vhagar is so he should've helped his daughters in their grief + explain the need for rhaena to try and claim vhagar before its too late. @@rexibhazoboa7097
16:34 Cannon so in tune with the show he loses an eye at the same time.
You know sh*t's about to go down when Jack starts to repeatedly fiddle with his glasses🤓
I appreciate Jack’s calm in the sea of chaos 😂
You guys should watch Hill's Alive video on Alicent's perspective, probably the best explanation out there. It really puts things in perspective and stops us from seeing some people as just the villians or evil.
Oh I love her videos, her Criston analysis video is my favorite one because he’s often labeled as a medieval simp
Lol she is a green puppet. She is no objective AT all
@@romainchambard4399 True she is team green. It was never about being completly objective though. It was about seeing things from different perspectives. And to not disregard one and label them "evil". GRRM has said himself that he prefers grey characters.
I like characters on both sides green and black. I think Alicent is actually quiet well written. I find her interesting.
@@romainchambard4399 She is Team Green but she is super based and gives a lot of interesting analysis on the Green characters, I see no problem in having preference for one side but being resonable and making good analysis.
Vhagar was one of the original 3 dragons that conquered Westeros during the Targaryen Conquest. The other 2 were Balerion the Black Dread - whose skeleton we see often and Meraxes who also died.
She was ridden by Visenya Targaryen, Aegon the Conqueror's elder sister-wife.
Rhaenyra really had no choice but to have bastard children. She tried with Laenor but obviously didn’t work.
Had she not had children then the Greens would have argued she was unfit for the throne because she's barren.
There are no other silver haired people in Westeros except the Targaryens and Velaryons so she had no choice.
Also, in the books all the characters are white so race is never an issue. The children have black hair but Princess Rhaenys also has black hair in the books so the children can be passed off as Laenor's.
All the children have a dragon except Aemond (who has Vhagar now) and Rhaena. Her twin Baela has a dragon called Moondancer.
Aegon has Sunfyre who was his hatchling but not a full grown dragon and Helaena has Dreamfyre. Dreamfyre is very big as well. She was the dragon of Aegon the Conqueror's eldest granddaughter and the mother of many of the other dragons.
33:58 Hightowers have always been a very powerful house because they rule from Oldtown, one of the largest and most important cities in all of Westeros. It was certainly the most important city prior to the founding of King's Landing by Aegon the Conqueror, and still holds significant importance being at the mouth of an important river, a big sea port, having the Citadel (basically the headquarters for the maesters), and it became the center of the Faith of the Seven when that was established. Because of these factors, the Hightowers have always been wealthy and had significant influence in politics.
Dragons aren't passed to the kids of the previous riders. Its basically if you are strong enough or have the will power you go for it. Many times a potential dragon rider has been killed bc the dragon doesn't accept the rider. Vhagar senses some power within Aemond had therefore tested him which he passed. The dragon claiming scene is one of my favorites
It's important to note that A Dance With Dragons, the GoT prequel that the show is based off of, was canonically written by multiple very unreliable narrators - so the fact that the events are changed in the show shouldn't be surprising. We're seeing what REALLY happened.
Its still an adaptation, not 100% canon. GRRM didn't say this is what actually happened but a another version of it. Only an extension of F&B would be 100% canon
22:48 he was so real for that lmao
Damn, Jack kills me man. "Hey she wants some heirs with white hairs." Dude that is ridiculously funny and accurate. I literally screamed when he said it.
Viserys saying “Aemond, look at me” is still so unhinged 😭
Viserys was sickly and old, let him be😂
"Hee gonna take his eye too maybe"
Imagine being this dumb. Viserys is a clown who is at the end of his rope. He isn't taking anyone's eye. But the sons will remember how he humiliated their mother.
claiming dragons is double sided. Vhagar awakened the Dragon in that kid.
Notice the dagger!! That dagger which Alicent used to stab Rhaenyra.
Honestly I can’t blame Allicent at all. Aemond didn’t throw the first punch. Viserys’ kid got his eye taken and he paid more attention his grandsons called bastards. I’d be HEATED as a mother. And Rhaenyra pissed me off this episode lol.
I used to think Cannon was the older brother but this exchange-
Cannon: I’d kill her!
Carter: There are so many layers of power-
Cannon: I don’t care! I’d kill her!!!
-made the sibling dynamic/birth order more obvious lmao
Such a great episode ❤️
I'm back for some more info.
1)At the funeral Vaemond was trying to diss Rhaenyra so Daemon started laughing to attract attention to himself, since everyone would just think he was just being his usual unhinged self.
Rhaenyra ran from Rhaenys so fast lol, she definitely didn't want to catch some smoke.
Daemon saying "Pentos is my home", all right buddy, stop capping🧢.
2)Finally we saw most of the dragons together!
Meleys, Caraxes, Syrax and Seasmoke flying while Dreamfyre and Sunfyre were purched on the ground .
Crazy we only see two brief shots of Sunfyre in this episode, it's design seemed sick tho.
Like Syrax with pinker wings, I love it!
3)To justify Aemond's action a little.
Claiming Vaghar right now was the only chance he would probably have of taming an adult dragon.
At King's Landing live few dragons, only his sister's of which is an adult.
Most of the unclaimed dragons live in Dragonstone, which is Rhaenyra's castle.
Claiming Vaghar at Driftmark at that time was probably his only chance to not get stuck with a hatchling or even remaining empty handed forever.
4)All the info on Vaghar.
Vaghar was born on Dragonstone in the time between the Doom of Valirya and the Conquest.
All we know is that by the time of the conquest she was already an adult dragon.
Her first rider was Queen Visenya Targaryen, older sister of Aegon the Conqueror.
Together with Aegon on Balerion and Rhaenys on Meraxes they conquered six of the Seven Kingdoms, exept for Dorne.
Meraxes and Rhaenys died while trying to conquering Dorne in 7 AC to witch Aegon and Visenya unlished their fury on Dorne, but they were ultimately unable to hold it.
Afterwards Vaghar would chill for the most part, besides quelling some rebellions here and there until Visenya died in 44 AC.
Around 73 AC prince Baelon Targaryen (Viserys and Daemon's father) claimed Vaghar, becoming her second rider.
In 83 AC Baelon on Vaghar, Aemond on Caraxes and the king Jaehaerys I on Vermithor would quell a whole attempted dornish invasion of the Stormlands by themselves by burning down their whole fleet in one battle.
It was specifically noted that Vaghar was the only one to take some damage in the fight, although nothing that serious, so maybe her scarred wings come from that battle.
After Baelon died in 101 AC, which directly led to the Great Council, Vaghar would leave the Dragon pit in Kingsland ing to go live in the Narrow See, near the island of Driftmark.
Laena Velaryon would find and tame her around a year before the timeskip between episodes 5 and 6 becoming her third rider.
After around 11 years together Vaghar would kill Laena on her orders and now Aemond Targaryen has become her fourth rider.
5)While Rhaena reinforces that she had some claim on Vaghar, the truth is different.
Dragons are not hereditary, when a rider claims a dragon it's only because the dragon accepted them first.
The dragon has the last say in the matter and if they don't accept the claimer they will not let themselves be bonded with them and in the worst case even try to kill anyone they don't deem worthy.
Vaghar saw something in Aemond, let herself be scaled and, after a flight test, decided he was worthy.
So, while claiming her at her previous rider's funeral might be in poor taste (I've already explained tho how Aemond couldn't let this chance pass him), Aemond has done nothing wrong, legally at least.
Rhaena's notion is just a product of her childlike view on dragonriding, which is understandable but doesn't make it true.
6) And now, the confrontation after the fight between the kids.
I'll try to explain everyone's actions as best I can, it's gonna be hard.
In my opinion, all the 5 children have some portion of blame for what happened.
Aemond was the first one to antagonize and the first one to escalate the fight by grabbing the rock.
Rhaena was the first one to confront him phisically (due to her understandable but nevertheless flawed notions and Aemond's insult).
Baela actually struck the first punch.
Jace escalated the fight further by pulling out a knife.
And Luke actually struck the only significantly lasting blow in the fight by blinding Aemond permanently.
As for the adults.
Alicent is understandably overcome by her emotions.
Her son has been blinded over some insults, I challenge anyone to remain calm in that situation.
Viserys not doing anything about it and actually getting more mad about the gossip on Rhaenyra didn't help and Rhaenyra's "thank you father" was the last straw.
Wanting an eye for an eye is unreasonable, but I understand why she acted the way she did.
Viserys continues to neglect his other children which only divides his family more and makes Alicent more mad.
Rhaenyra arrives and immediately she takes her son's side, despite not even knowing what happened yet.
"It was my sons who were attacked and forced to defend themselves", totally cap but even more importantly she doesn't know what happened, she is just choosing to take their side, which is again understandable but that doesn't make what she says right.
"Prince Aemond must be sharply questioned..."
This has been 100% confirmed that "sharply questioned" means "tortured brutally".
Rhaenyra is telling Viserys that her maimed brother must be tortured so that they can know who started some gossip.
There is no excuse for this, Rhaenyra is being as unreasonable as Alicent in this moment.
Daemon doesn't even check on his daughters, nice one dude.
He doesn't even help Rhaenyra directly when Alicent attacks her, he just blocks Criston.
Criston's "as your protector my Queen" means "Alicent chill the f out!"
How is Criston the most reasonable one in this scene, lol.
This is where the divide between the families comes to a boiling point and the factions are starting to solidify.
This is my personal opinion, but the divide in the fandom between Greens and Blacks supporters is absurd for me.
Mostly because it makes some people demonize the opposition while overlooking their side's faults.
This story is so goated because every character is flawed and the sides mentality of some of the fandom I think prevents many from appreciating how marvelously every character has been crafted.
As for me, I like every single character while admitting all their flaws that only make them more enjoyable for me, so no matter what happens to everyone I will always feel both hyped and sad.
I believe this is the best way to feel to consume this show, but that's just my opinion.
Anyways.
7) Valiryan steel was one of the metals that was used by the Valiryan empire.
It's a super resiliant metal that lasts through the ages and makes the most lethal weapons.
It cuts through flesh without effort since once forged it never loses its sharpness.
The art of forging it was lost with time tho and now nobody is left that knows how to forge it.
The objects made of Valiryan steel we see in the show are : the necklace Daemon gives Rhaenyra in episode 1, Daemon's sword (named Dark Sister, it was the sword of Visenya Targaryen, Vaghar's first rider), the prophecy dagger and Viserys's sword (we see it when he sits the throne in episode 1 and 4, it's named Blackfyre and was the sword of the Conqueror that gets passed down to the next kings, mostly).
8)And to conclude, Laenor.
Rhaenyra and Daemon conspire to fake his death so they can marry each other and leave Laenor free to do what he wants the most.
Plus, Laenor shaves his hair to hide his valiryan heritage better.
While it can be interpreted as a noble act, they do kill an innocent man and trick Corlys and Rhaenys into thinking that their last child is dead so as always, nothing is black and white with this show, only different shades of gray.
And that's all folks!
Boy was this whole lot long to write, but I hope you'll appreciate it.
See you next time on rambling about Peak Fiction! 😂👍👋
Wonderfully said, I would like to add that Aemond also sneaked around due to the fact if he made his intentions clear of wanting to claim Vhagar it would be shut down by nearly every adult. Same goes for Rhaena. It is always dangerous to claim a dragon but claiming one so closely after its previous rider’s death is risky and basically a death wish
@@agave9906 well said to you too.
I almost wrote before that Rhaena could have took the chance herself if she wanted Vaghar so bad if it wasn't for the, you know, mourning her dead mother thing.
But you are right, the adults wouldn't have let these 10 year olds attempt to claim her for multiple reasons if they knew their intentions.
And, unlike Aemond, Rhaena could have just waited, since Vaghar seemed to wanna remain on Driftmark for the time being at least.
Rhaenyra’s sons are bastards, but in the end they have Rhaenyra’s blood and that’s the most important aspect of succession. Also, if one of them end up inheriting the Iron Throne his last name would be changed from Velaryon to Targaryen.
Not sure if you’ve ever seen GOT, read the books, or are familiar with ASOIAF or just regular human primogeniture but…
Rhaenyra’s kids having her blood is like the least important part. And it certainly doesn’t make them Targaryen.
Exactly! And that's why Viserys doesn't care to acknowledge their true father, at the end of the day her daughter's decent in his mind it's going to continue the line of Targaryens.
@@Fhoebys16 Rhaenyra’s children’s cannot be Targaryen.
They are either Waters, Strong’s, or Velaryon’s.
By blood and genetics the kids simply cannot be labeled as Targaryen’s.
@@DanLanningPRTeamdidn't viserys said jace was going to take the name targaryen after he ascends the throne? Thats what he said to corlys when he questioned what last name the boys will have
@@queenofsatan1210 the only people who’s last names change in ASOIAF are women.
Even then, people still view Catelyn as a Tully, Cersei goes by Lannister and never Baratheon. And we never hear anyone call her Alicent Targaryen do we?
It’s not as easy as just, “oh the king says they are Targaryen” when every societal structure that exists in Westeros as has been in place since before the Targaryen conquest would never in a million years consider Jace or Luke to EVER have the last name Targaryen.
I'm binging the HOTD Playlist since I found your GOT: Thing is, everyone keeps throwing around that their father is not theor father like it means something. Rhaenerya is the Heir. It matters that they are her children. The King also considers that of more importance. Robert Baratheon kept having his bastards killed because they could come back with a claim to the throne. Meanwhile his BLONDE AF children kept sitting the throne, despite the rumors there as well. So Alicent is really just peddling a rumor that doesnt mean a whole lot and stirring it into something bigger out of fear for her own children. And Otto is the reason she has these children to fear for in the first place.
Just gonna point out the dragons don't pass from parent to child so aemond didn't steal it, once a dragon is riderless he can be claimed by any targaryen that wants it
Accent is a Queen consort while Rhaenyra will be Queen regent. Very different things. So I’m a way, Rhaenyra is more important.
Vhagar is 178 years old when Aemond claims her and she's had four riders up until now: Visenya, Baelon, Laena and Aemond.
Cannon I love you. Cannon said I'd kill her lol. Thank you so much for saying that. I could not stand Alicent and said the same thing.
It had to be said
George RR Martin is a master at building conflicts to a boiling point. House of the dragon and especially game of thrones are at the top of the game by far when it comes to building conflicts to a boiling point AND delivering epic climaxes!!!
and hbo are the masters of ruining his stories
@@DamnTheBeaversnot HBO- it was D&D
Team Black here, Alycent is too self-rightous for me
In all honesty...as some have probably suggested, y'all could totally react to GOT in tandem with House of The Dragon. The only CAUTION your moderators have to watch out for is a small scene in "Season 3/ episode 4. The guys that have seen GOT might know. Hope y'all pull the trigger, cause House might not end till 2 more seasons. That's a long time to deprive yourselves and your react audience. 🍻
I think now that S1 of HotD is over, they can move onto to GOT, take a break while S2 HotD airs, then continue with GOT, maybe finish it before S3 of HotD comes out. There's nothing really spoilery in GOT except for Joffrey giving Margery a tour of the Sept of Baelor (which they could fast forward past) and by Shireen explaining the Dance of Dragon's (though she doesn't get into specific character outcomes).
@@janeathome6643 bingo that's the scene. Really hope they do it
The thing about Rhaenyra's kids is that everyone knows they're bastards, but some people - like Corlys - don't care because as long as the king considers them trueborn, they might as well be. The king has the power to legitimize anyone, and his word is law and truth. If Viserys says the boys are his heirs, then they are, no matter what their DNA is.
Thank you! Given the parties to the union between Rhaenyra and Leanor are mainly the Targaryens and Velaryons, they're the ones who are mostly affected. So, the fact that Viserys, Corlys and Laenor recognize the Strongs as theirs is enough proof of legitimacy.
Nah, the king refusing to answer a clear as day question does not make it true, and as I say this there is a clear as day solution to all of the blights that Viserys face, simply recognize them as bastards and then legitimize them, it is the least that incompetent fuck can do after starting a succession crisis out of thin air, he literally inherited the kingdom at it's most peaceful and pulled this shit out of his ass, I'd question how the kingdom didn't fall during his reign but the most likely answer is that Otto and Lyonel did most of the heavy lifting for him, an incompetent king and a horrible as fuck father all around except to Rhaenyra of course, pretty sure he doesn't even remember the fact that he has a third son, named Daeron.
Oof pardon my demeanor, this is just me venting frustrations built aloft bullshiterry and poopy fudge.
@@abbygonzales9464 no it is not. The kids are vile bastards with no rights to succession.
Seven save us if we ever seat a bastard on the iron throne.
@@abbygonzales9464still bastards
@@abbygonzales9464 yeah but they need to be hush hush about it coz their society would not like the exception, especially one coming from a female heir. That could potentially dismantle their entire system of succession, as they don't let bastards inherit over trueborns. Then again, Targaryans have lorded over everyone before. But I don't think Viserys wants fire and blood over such matters.
Never thought I'd root for incest but these two had me rooting for them from the get-go🤭. Like from episode 1 when Daemon gave her the necklace.
Team black!
So insightful and attentive. Best reaction to this episode I’ve seen so far. Absolutely cannot wait for the next one.
I'm team black all the way! I felt bad for Alicent when she was younger, but once she got older you can see that her actions aren't just otto manipulating her anymore, it's her doing as well.
My issue is, people keep talking about Rhaenyra being selfish at times. But I feel Alicent is just was if not even more selfish. She had ample opportunity to let go of her resentment and make decisions that would be better for everyone, instead she tried her hardest to make war inevitable. It’s like she low-key wanted it to happen so she finally could have some “revenge”. Really weird.
5:36 Jack's reaction is relatable. I think I know who came to his mind.
Everyone is shocked when Aemond, hits Jace with the rock, overlooking the fact that Jace was coming at him with a knife. Also, Aemond didn't throw the first punch. He's allowed to defend himself.
exactly
For the record all 5 of you are awesome. Can’t wait to see you react to Game of Thrones and can’t wait for you to finish the rest of the season!!
"Sharply questioned" means put to torture, so Rhaenyra is demanding that her little half brother be tortured, and trying to get him to name Alicent so she can be accused of treason.
I'm so excited to see Cannon, Carter and Brig to react to GOT, especially the peak GOT seasons. It's gonna be so good.
won’t lie, was definitely more leaning towards Alicent this episode cause i mean if you put yourself in her shoes, she’s a mother whose child has just lost an eye over a “lie” which is actually true and Rhaenyra gets to lie and get away with it (as she always does) and is then demanding for her son to get “sharply questioned” when he’s the one that’s actually injured. She was wrong for going after Lucerys’s eye but she was right, what Viserys did was insufficient. He could’ve handled that situation way better but instead disregards the fact that his own son was just maimed (even if it was his own fault) and again defends Rhaenyra blindly, even though she’s literally lying and he and everyone knows she is. I feel like this would just solidify to Alicent what her father said to her that rainy day, which is part of why she tries to take matters into her own hands (other than being bitter). And that “thank you, father” from Rhaenyra would’ve pushed me over the edge too lmao
Alicent is the Queen consort and Rhaenyra is the heir apparent. She therefore outranks Alicent.
Exactly what I was going to comment!!
Nope. Remember the scene in the godswood.
The princess ordered Samwell the stay. The queen ordered him to leave. He left.
Or consider what happened when Alicent demanded to see Joffrey as soon as he was born. If Rhaenyra out ranks her, why didn't she refuse?
Recall when Robert was still alive. Who had more power, Cersei or Joffrey?
well no
nope. the queen outranks the heir, rhaenyra currently is a princess and her being heir means nothing UNTIL she becomes queen.
rhaenyra is a princess, alicent is a queen
you saw the singer listening to alicent's order and ignoring rhaenyra's at ep3
@@havok6280 you’re comparing a commoner to an heir?
Idk if anyone else put it in the comments for you, its longer, BUT the Hightowers are one of the oldest houses in Westeros, but they are at the center and close connection with the Citadel/the Maestors. The Maestors are all the doctors. Now take into account every single house has like a crew of Maestors, then all the Maestors at the Citadel. That's a lot of power.
Baleryon was originally Aegon the Conqueror's and Vhagar was Visenya's another one of the three conquerors.
The Dragon ownership works like HP wands, you attempt to claim the dragon, but the dragon chooses you. So technically as shitty as it feels, Aemond did nothing wrong. Vhagar chose Aemond and that ride he took is basically like the sealing of the bond between dragon and rider.
Also, the reason Viserys refuses to acknowledge the fact that Jace, Luke, and Joffrey are bastards is because then its a death sentence to her and those kids.
Love your guys reactions 🥰 keep it up! Im excited for you guys to get into GoT and maybe the spinoffs? 🖤 when you get the chance definitely get into the books so much more going on in there. 😁
That attempt to claim Vaghar at Laena's funeral was the salt to the wound, not that he got to claim Vaghar per se. Had this been any other day, I don't think Laena's kids would have had any right to be mad at him.
Remember how Rhaena says: that's my mother's dragon, and not MY dragon.
She probably thought she had a shot at it. But she wanted to wait until she's done grieving properly. And expected anyone, who planned on claiming Vaghar, to do the same.
@@happilyevernever4289 yes as I said, it felt shitty, but at no point is Aemond in the wrong for claiming Vhagar because the reality is that Vhagar chose to accept Aemond as her next rider.
Idk how someone could be team green tbh
I feel like most people that are team green are because of alicent she has a lot of supporters
because they understand common sense, if you're not team green after this episode then SEEK HELP
like the characters better, hope this helps.
I'm just saying... calling the crowned prince names like "bastard" and even putting a slight scratch on the crowned princess would cost you your life
So to clarify, Allicent should die for cutting Rhaenyra's arm. What should happen to Luke to taking Aemond's eye? Both are heirs to the throne.
yes. alicent is nothing compared to them, plus aemond and luke are not heirs to the throne they're just princes.
@@fernandacaldasn false. There is a line of succession. If Rhaerya dies, the throne goes to Jace. If Jace dies, it goes to Luke. Then it's Joffrey, then Aegon, then Helena, then Aemond, then Daeron, and then Daemon.
The whole reason everyone was pushing Viserys to remarry was to produce more heirs.
@@havok6280 true true but i meant in this situation specific that all of them is still alive they're just princes and alicent still nothing
@@fernandacaldasn again you are wrong. By your logic, Rhaenyra is just a princess because Viserys is still alive.
The children are all heirs. Given how common death during childbirth is, Rhaenyra could easily die. A sickness or a war could decimate the royal line. All the heirs are therefore valuable. Viserys literally said as much to Rhaenyra when she confronted Daemon over the egg.
Further Alicent isn't nothing. She is the wife of the king, the daughter of the hand, and mother of several heirs.
yes she should die for it. she harmed the heir to the throne and tried to attack another heir after rhaenyra. allicent and crispín get away with too much.
Jack not getting why Laenor would go along with the faking his death plan is wild lol. Especially as one of the two that has watched GOT. Just look at what happened to Renly and Loras. The seven kingdoms are not kind to gay men. Even though he loves Rhaenyra, he's miserable. His sister just died, his dad doesn't accept him, and he's not into politics. He's a warrior. You're giving me free rein to leave the country with my lover and go do whatever I want?? Bet say less
I totally understand him leaving with his lover but I couldn’t get why he would leave his grieving family right when they just lost his sister and they “lost” him too. For me it was just that the timing was terrible
I LOVE Allicent so much
20:45 two episodes ago, Alicent was quiet, calm and obedient,... Now She wants take an eye of a innocent child, even after the King Said to make peace with them 😅🤷 i mean they destroied a great chatacter and they destroied the show. What are we doing here? Again, everyone in the same Room. Make cheaper show to not show many places at once 😅
Sharply Questioned means torture fyi
“You’re grace, check your air drop” 😂😂
Oh.. and "sharply questioned" as Rhaenyra demands her mutilated younger brother be means torture
It has only ever been a euphism for tortured, just to keep in mind
rhaenyra is disgusting for this tbh
@@jamien368 Absolutely!
@@xqzqcv7950Nah Aemond got off easy. Should have taken his other eye too
@@JUANxxTNAFAN Heck no, he prob should have used the rock more though. Or at all really, instead of just bluffing
Definitely called for
Fun fact: The Hightowers in the books have white hair too, their house is even Old Valyria.
Team Black. Everyone that is Team Green seems to hate Rhaenyra for pursueing happiness and having kids with Harwin and not Laenor. People think she is a bad person for that but that doesn’t make her a bad person, that makes her human. All she did was pursue her own happiness. She never did anything evil or bad, even though her pursuing happiness causes negative consequences for others, she didn’t mean for those consequences to happen, she was just a young human teen trying to pursue happiness. It’s infinitely relatable.
12:25 nope. vhagar was the second biggest dragon to live that we know of. behind balerion the black dread.
Aemond is akin to Joaquin Phoenix's Joker. If he had shown that "I gained a dragon" swagger before and not berate and physically assault his cousins, all of this could've been avoided. The first time he has achieved a prideful accomplishment and he abused it; his eye is his own fault.
It wasn't totally his fault but I give that he played a part in it, as have others.
literally not his fault
his own fault lol, that's oversimplifying thigs a lot
He's not the Joker, he's more complicated than that.
Pretty sure Rhaena and Baela initiated the fight, both verbally and physically.
Aemond simply defended himself. Did he go a bit overboard? Perhaps, but when you're down on the ground while four people are assaulting you adrenaline kinda kicks in.