John, Thanks so much for uploading this video and breaking it down for us. As a 29 year firefighter/paramedic veteran this tragedy is truly heartbreaking. Much respect to the police officers and firefighters that had to work through this scenario. There are two important things that I want to bring up. The first being that depending on the EMS or Fire agency, Mr. Houston (or any overdose victim) isn't free to go, depending on the respective protocol. And I think that is what the problem was with this encounter. Mr. Houston was required to be evaluated by a doctor as result of suffering a narcotic overdose, as evident by the successful resuscitation by Narcan. The other important point is that when we encounter these types of victims that are unconscious, that is the perfect time to do a quick full-body assessment (that's the medical term for search). Unlike police officers, EMT's are not bound by protected rights or violating the civil rights of the victim. Especially when the victim is unconscious. That is your time to do a quick pat-down of the patient to look for clues as to why the victim would be experiencing a medical event, and look for hazards, such as knives or guns. We call it scene safety. While Mr. Houston was unconscious would have been the perfect time to find that gun and disarm him. Again, thank you for posting this video. I have been a big fan for quite some time, and believe you are doing great work to help keep the good guys safe and well trained.
David Decker thank you for your service! What is the department policy on handling a weapon? Like in this case if during your scene safety check you find a weapon. Are you allowed to remove it or do you have to wait for an officer? My concern for you is if there is no officer then what?
Be safe out there, David! So many crazy people out there these days that don’t care about others like this POS that took another paramedic’s life. Much respect to what you do for a living.
David, as a former EMS professional as well, these were exactly my thoughts, the time to do a quick pat down "assessment" is when the patient was unconscious.
That Firefighter was Fireman Mitch Lundguard. He left his wife and 3 kids behind. He only had about an hour left in his shift. He went to our church and the community was very heartbroken over his loss. You can view his memorial service online. Good man, good Firefighter.
I live in this area of the country the cops here are awesome the firefighters here are awesome.. I still remember this story happening back then.. guys like this take our amendment rights away.. but the government has a hand in that too by allowing people to come over the border with illegal drugs and allowing corporations to flood our markets with opioids.. so we all pay for this in some way shape or form including this perpetrator.. and the way the system is working right now we cannot even vote people out that don't help our country
so damn awful. imagine being a fire fighter thinking it was gonna be just another day on the job and you get shot by some crazed drug addict felon. the world is an awful place, may you rest in peace mr. lundguard. we won’t forget you.
Andy Wilson ... I’ve used Narcan in the hospital for patients who had strong reaction to pain meds that we gave them. It’s in every ‘crash cart’ and is used several times a year. (RN here)
Apparently firemens lifes arent as important as thugs. What a shame this is happening. Shut the border down and help make it difficult to get the drugs
Kills the firefighter that came to save his life. :'( Bystander spends weeks in the hospital. Cop shot. And even the perp's four daughters without a dad. All for nothing. :(
Eris You are stuck in your own world. He made mistakes and has a few felonies been go thru a lot more shit then what you been through. How does that make him not be able to be a good father? Your ego
It's worse. It's exactly like saying, "It's not opioids, it's heroin." Or "They aren't numbers, they're digits." He was either stupid (that's my guess) or he thought the cops were stupid.
Probably did a focused assessment for altered mental status and things rolled out from there.Medics we need to start looking for weapons on our patients.Me most of all.
@@Thegoldenchild415 I think he means BLM need to stop their racist bullshit and putting thugs that get killed up on a pedestal for young black people to admire. If i read it right...
@@zoelife7272 probably the first mistake, at this distance, especially outnumbered two to one, just coming down from an overdose. I'd say physical force should have been used the minute he refused to lift his shirt. It's unfortunate, but this will serve as a reminder of what can happen when you aren't careful enough.
@@jasong6027 just because of the nature of the conversation and the general tone. I didn't think the guy would pull out a gun an start shooting at police over something like this. I'm not American so perhaps I'm just not used to seeing such mayhem.
Zoey Redmond Who are exactly the “leaders”, because there are many government official who support BLM. Are you referring to Trump? Which is a weak example because he on a leash and isn’t even his own person. Also they number of peaceful protest WEIGHT OUT the number of lootings/riots. You would know this if you had a functioning brain. Black lives matter✨
Yes, like how we’re suppose to except the narrative that the movement are Marxist. What at the expense of my people and other groups? I suggest you sit back and hold on bc if the movement makes you uncomfortable now...
I remember when I was a child reaching for my wallet in front of a group of officers and that was the most terrifying situation ever. I don't do anything foul but when an officer engages with me I make sure to accommodate him as much as possible
why did they tell him to lift his shirt ? proper protocol dictates that if they feel there is probable cause, like a guy taking non prescription drugs he wasn't suppose to n at the risk of getting a bad rep should have searched him themselves, they fucked up, not excusing the guy's actions but your not in law enforcement to win a popularity contest, your there to keep us safe, that means making the right decisions instead of instigating a guy who's under the influence and passive aggressively threatening to take him by force if he didn't cooperate rather than de-escalate the situation. Plus last time I checked if your conscious you have every right to refuse consent to medical assistance, had he still been unconscious that be a whole other story, also the guy was clearly attempting to advise him that he could not articulate and possibly didn't comprehend to a certain extent what was going on
@I Am The One Who Knocks the number of Law Enforcement jumping the gun when people aren't reaching is very low (that does not minimize or lessen the seriousness and tragedy when it occurs). The Officer should have noticed that the gunman was reaching by the way he had to reach to get his firearm. Plus the gunman wasn't that fast at putting his firearm on target. You are also correct that the firearm should have been located whilst he was ''out'' on the Coach.... and there were Paramedics and Law Enforcement right there. How he was able to get off that Coach with that firearm is a mystery. I hate to say it, as I do support Law Enforcement (the law abiding Law Enforcement) worldwide but, that entire thing is on that Officer. He missed too much that gave that bloke the opportunity he had. There should have been 0 injuries that day, 1 being fatal to a Firefighter. I also can't believe the shots he was taking, with a sidearm, at such a long distance with the gunman using innocents as a shield. That Officer failed the Public that day, as all that violence was absolutely unavoidable (not to mention....needless) had he bloody paid attention. His being bent over, having his head down, was a HUGE mistake.
Wow, unbelievable footage, thanks for the upload John. When he said he had a problem with officers touching him, ( RED FLAGS ) I'm a retired Paramedic of 23 years in Florida and will forward this to a friend at the college to use for training purposes in the paramedic program. Tragedies like this we must learn from. Thoughts and prayers to the Firefighters family. 🙏
exactly him saying he has a problem with officers touching him acting as a false victim and a huge flag. he may as well told them i have something on me
One of my favorite channels. Never let your guard down. Have a plan, practice it, and be ready to fight for your life at all times. Any other mindset is naive and could cost you everything.
They have removed any shows that show law enforcement in a positive light in a real life scenario. And then, the children’s show “paw patrol” about cartoon dogs who stop crime was also in their crosshairs for cancellation but it was ultimately not removed. The show Cops, LivePD, and similar series are on permanent suspension from being aired old or new episodes on most cable networks. This TH-cam channel as a TV show would not be allowed as it is way too real and doesn’t carry that “defund police narrative”and is why you don’t hear any of these stories glorified in the “MSM outlets”.
This was tragic. I live here in Appleton and this impacted the whole state. I’ve never seen so much support from the community. There were so many fundraisers for the Lundgaard family and they even paid off the mortgage for his wife. He left behind a wife and three young boys. Glad the bad guy is no longer a problem.
Miguel Jimenez May he Rest In Peace, i wish the cops shot him when he said “ah fuck it” while pulling something out, there’s no way anything good is gonna come from that scenario.
Bruh Ayy the dude was a felon. It pisses me off that one poor mistake from a felon took the life of a father and a hero from our great city. The felon got what he deserved.
Weird how this happened over a month ago, and this is the first I've heard of it. National media has no intention of showing the truth of the dangers police go through every day, and the sacrifices they make. But let one officer make a mistake and they'll run with it for weeks. It's a shame what our country is coming to.
@@andysmith9785 apparently I missed the news that DAY. The point I was making is that this kind of thing happens all the time, and the only thing the media is interested in is slamming LEO. If they had shot an unarmed black man, it would have gotten play for weeks. Thanks for the reply andy...no need to be rude though.
@@Fernandez218 I agree 100%. And the bad thing is that this is causing the police to be afraid to use deadly force, which is exactly what happened here, and that extra second or two caused a firefighter to lose his life.
As a police officer you should not be surprised that many encounters go bad. They arent day care providers. They are dealing with criminals so they should not get trigger happy or cynical. Not saying it's easy I wouldn't ever even be in this situation but if so I would shoot the second they blink, my gun would be surgically attached to my hand. Which is why I leave to the amazingly brave people who become police officers.
Orianna I don’t blame a cop for getting carried away and beating somebody that threatened a cops safety. And fuck verbal abuse. If you follow orders and be respectful you are very unlikely to be verbally abused. If you act like an asshole and argue with a cop and refuse to follow orders then yeah, expect an ass beating with a side of verbal abuse.
Also Appleton is a small town. There's lots of disturbances down by the bus station in library because that's where the homeless tend to gather air conditioning, heat, and to use Wi-Fi. But nothing ever ask a lights to that level. It's the first time that anything like that ever happened in my town. They did the best they could with the training they had. The only thing that was lacking was the experience that officers from larger cities get. Rest in peace Firefighter Mitch Lundguard
Only people not in touch with reality wouldn’t expect something like this from these people. Too bad most of our society has been brain drained and down for the count.
I mean yeah I agree, they should have pulled their guns out at the exact second they knew he had one. Like instantly! Don't wait for him to pull his out first if you know he is a dangerous man with a gun.
@charles wheelock Yeah but you know if they were to draw a gun without probable cause just because he was a dirtbag what the consequences would have been. Hate crime, right! The dude knew what he was doing all along and accomplished his goal which was to go out in a glorious hail of bullets and take as many with him. Notice he kept leaning on the bus to hid the bulge. It sucks they couldn't have been more heads up.
*THIS VIDEO HAS SHAKEN ME TO MY CORE!* Literally, the tears are rolling down my face! These are the cases that people don't see! That officer was SO calm and SO nice at first and all he wanted to do was help the guy. The guy could have gone to the hospital, EVEN WITH HIS GUN, and tried to hide the gun in his bag or something. He didn't have to take it out and shoot people who were JUST trying to help him! I thought the tragedy was going to be him falling over and dying. I had no idea he was going to shoot someone who meant him absolutely no harm! Wow! You can't trust anyone! That just came out of nowhere! They just saved his life and his thing to do was to kill! I am so sorry for that officer & the firefighter and his family! My heart goes out to him and his family! Just...there are no words. The worst part is that you can tell he didn't think it would escalate to that! He was just trying to help!
I am a retired Firefighter and my Son followed me into the Fire Department, back in the ‘70s we had people shooting at us at random calls so we started wearing flack jackets(that don’t stop bullets) and when BP vests came out I always wore one. When my Son became a Firefighter I bought him a custom made vest, he says he wears it everyday, I’m praying he does.
The You’ve just completely contradicted yourself mate. Obviously nobody is born pure evil but people can become evil. Of course it can be reversed, not easy though, trying to convince someone that their lifestyle choices are bad and that they need to change. Serial killers are the perfect example of evil. Most are incredibly intelligent so you can’t put it down to them being stupid, yes they may have had a poor upbringing but that is no excuse to do what they do at all. Another example of evil is authoritarian dictators of all kinds I.e Stalin, Hitler, Mao etc. There’s no excuse to commit heinous acts.
@@Fernandez218 ......The bad guy is a murderer. He killed some one trying to help him. I have zero compassion for him. I hope he ends up in the electric chair😜
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@@Fernandez218 It is the idiots who apologize for and excuse the behavior of these thug criminals who are evil. Thanks for clearing that up.
One shocking thing about this story is that the family of the shooter (his wife and daughter), after seeing the footage said that everyone involved did their jobs right and that they had nothing but sympathy and good wishes for the individuals affected.
Guess that shirt covered it up really good. That or he was holstering it on the inside of his belt. Took him a little bit to pull it out. Didn't really seem like the biggest pistol ever either.
It's a real shame they brought him back to life in the first place. Should've just stuffed him in the luggage compartment of the bus and kept the trip moving until they could throw him out somewhere secluded. P.O.S.
His name was Mitch lundgard. He had less than an hour of a shift left. He left behind his wife and three children. They went to my church he was a good man
@@victorianewton2426 I just read this and heard who he was, how incredibly awful. I watched his obituary video and cried he had such a beautiful family.
@Rafael Sodre you MUST go-to the emergency room after getting revived with narcon, because you are about a hair away from death if/when it wears off and the drugs are still in your system.
Just want to clear a few things up as I have a personal connection to this shooting. This happened in Appleton, WI at the Valley Transit Center which is nowhere near Milwaukee. The firefighters name was Mitch Lundgaard and he had a wife and 3 children. One of the officers hit the bystander, Brittany Schowalter, while returning fire. The perp was out on $500 bail in Sheboygan and already facing prison time. Very sad for everyone connected to this and I hope that Mitch may rest in peace, and his family/friends may find some peace.
Demitri Solvinski . Real sad. I only wish they’d leave him to die on the bus. Ppl like this man only come into this world to destroy an cause pain to other ppl. He’s know criminal out on bail but yet he’s out taking drugs an walking around wit a gun. I hope he get the death penalty for this. Sorry. R.I.P to the firefighter 😔😔😔😔😔😔😔
Can someone relate where Mitch Lundgaard was located in relation to the officers? I know, I don't need to know, but it's so horrible. Weeping over this one... this was a shock to me...
@@nickwilson5568 the suspect was killed. Also, nobody deserves to die and nobody starts out a criminal. We need to do a better job raising our children to not become adults with issues like this. It's sad for everyone, even the suspects family.
The firefighter was standing with the cops right in front of the guy when he pulled his gun and just started blasting them. From what I can tell he's also the firefighter who saved the junky's life on the bus not five minutes before the junky murdered him.
Sadly police have had to change the way they handle situations just like this. Especially when a black man is involved. Those cops saw him reaching and normally would have shot him the second he started reaching but if they did shoot him and it turned out he was unarmed it would have created a bad situation for the police department and city this happened in. Organizations like BLM would have rioted, destroying the city costing billions of dollars in damages to businesses not to mention that man's family would have sued the police department for millions.
Very fucking slow. Some guy backing up acting like that after you asked if he had a gun? Yeah, either don't let him grab it or get yours completely out. Drawing on him might have stopped him from moving, but probably not.
@@rayharvey1330 no you won't brother social justice warrior are sympathetic to the wronged not to a colour or race but you won't understand it you racist asshole
"when we encounter these types of victims that are unconscious, that is the perfect time to do a quick full-body assessment (that's the medical term for search)." Well said. Skipping that important step led to this incident. Also, as soon as the suspect stated he "has a problem with officers touching me" and kept stepping backward, those officers should have seen big, giant, screaming red flags and responded with quick and decisive action. While I admire the officers for the compassion and patience shown, I feel that too much of a casual attitude by these first responders and officers on scene resulted in a dangerous and deadly outcome. ANY TIME drugs are involved, proper precautions MUST be followed.
I was prior military with a couple of combat deployments. I was also a firefighter/emt after the military. We would have found that gun while he was unconscious.
You have an extremely short time to bring them back, if it is going to happen. The three "B's" Breathing, Beat (heart), Bleeding. Narcan brings them back real fast from near dead to "up and swinging". Not much time to cover all those points.
@@ashzole : Ummm.... I was a First Responder. Safety First involved "Burning buildings, Traffic, Hostile crowds, Downed Electrical, Falling buildings, Chemical spills, etc. Your dying patient getting up and shooting you wasn't one of those.
This happened across the street from my old house. I heard the shots from my bedroom amd got my 8 year old daughter out of the front room but it was too late. She saw everything. The large building is the library. Firefighter Mitch Lundguard went to my church and my beat friend was a responding officer to this incident. The suspect and Mitch died, the officer that was shot survived as well as a female bystander who was shot in the head. Appleton is for the most part a dream community to have a family. This shooting rocked our community to the reality of the dangers there are in the world. I grew up in foster care in the inner cities...I knew what those sounds were and remember screaming for my daughter who was 8, to get down and crawl to the back of the house. I saw people gathering outside with their phones out and started to usher them inside and out of the way. Green Bay PD came down to handle this and it was unnerving to have them come to my house to interview my daughter and check our house for bullets. RIP Mitch, you're not forgotten and your family is being cared for. Thank you for your service LEO, EMT, FF, FR. I know the risk you take, even in small towns where "nothing" ever happens.
That’s so sad to hear, you guys have to make sure the community looks after Mitch family, make some type of commemorating event every once in a while or something, it helps with the pain of loosing a loved one...
I live in Milwaukee. We have all been very sad about this here. We lost a good fireman for this piece of trash. We just lost 2 more policemen yesterday to more pieces of garbage as well.
@nevy channel sure it wasn't near MKE but ... The guy was a drug dealer .. had left MKE on the bus stopping at 2 cities in Wisconsin on the way home to Wausau.. also he was out on bond.
Then you weren't looking, or listening. It was obvious when they questioned the bulge on his side. "I have a problem with officers touching me" is Jive which translates to "I don't give a damn anymore and I'm going to take as many of you with me as I can."
@nevy channel They had to give him several doses, they had plenty of time while waiting for each dose to take effect. It is all fun and games until someone wakes up, pull a knife and start stabbing at random. In this case two lives would be spared and a bystander would not have to deal with a bullet on her head.
I agree. Cops go call to call dealing with matters like this all day long. They are always one step behind on the criminal who will shoot first to escape.
Fuck that. I just carry and if I believe it’s going to need law enforcement I just wait till they roll in with us. Idk if others like armor in EMS, but me personally it’ll just get in the way.
@@pandahsykes602 wrong, they just need probable cause that a crime was being committed. the dude overdosed publicly on other peoples medication. that alone is a crime, they should have searched him while he was being revived for the safety of all involved. it is not uncommon for cops in philly to search people before giving treatment so they dont get stuck with a dirty needle. all in all this was a tragedy but could have been avoided.
Like he said though, you can't search someone just because you want to. They weren't talking to him because he was suspected of a crime (other than the drugs)
@Colton Hauk I am neither a police officer nor a medic so I cannot speak on the matter other than the 4th amendment which prohibits unlawful search and seizures. There is probably overlap of that amendment and just cause, but I don't know where the line is drawn.
@@DadJokesAllDayLong If you need to give treatment to an unconscious drug addict I would presume that qualifies as a justifiable search. A medic can't treat someone unless they deem their situation as safe.
@@andrewguadarrama2285 Which is why they should have, they are not police and are not bound by their laws. They can and should search as it can help with understanding how the patient in their care got to that point or how it can affect their management. It's got nothing to do with stereotypes but they should have for medical reasons. Read John's pinned comment for more clarification and more expert opinion.
As a healthcare worker, I can tell you that we are often attacked and assaulted by people we are only trying to help. Whatever our first responders are paid, it isn't enough. I'm afraid we will reach a point where it will be difficult to recruit police and first responders, they aren't paid enough for the abuse they face.
Our society doesn't seem to want folks to have access to good healthcare and the insurance industry is mostly responsible for that. Most doctors who have a practice spend a great deal of their time fighting with insurance companies to either have a procedure approved or even to get paid. We are allowing this to happen to ourselves, and one day only the 1% will be able to obtain any medical need. I stay healthy by not eating the SAD - (standard American diet), taking boat loads of supplements, not consuming any sort of street drugs, staying at a healthy weight. Medicare makes money off me since I have no chronic conditions. This will all catch up to us one of these days when no one wants to be employed in any healthcare position.
James Sailors this guy lied and said it was a cell phone. It’s simple if an officer says don’t reach DONT REACH it doesn’t matter what it is just listen
potawatadingdong - being a cop is a hard ass job. That’s why racist pieces of shit cops who kill innocent black make it hard for good decent guys like these cops who treated this man like a human being to do their jobs. Bad cops make it bad for citizens and their fellow colleagues.
You have my respect brother. So many youtubers don't want to mention about their spiritual beliefs because of fear of losing subscribers but you want to help people and that includes reminding them that we're spirit souls that need to get right with God.
Dan Harlow he was probably gonna die. Paramedics don’t say, “Oh he might not die so let’s just see what happens” no they fix the situation. They helped him regardless of whether he was gonna die or not
As a 25 year paramedic I have used Narcan many times to reverse overdoses. Sometimes when I arrive on scene the patient is blue. They are never grateful, often get pissed off for ruining their high, it makes them sick. They often become enraged when the police force them to go to the hospital if it’s determined they are a danger to themselves or others. A quick pat down is required if you get in my ambulance. Weapons are often found. It’s quite common. Hardcore junkies carry weapons.
My guess is the overdose was attempted suicide. Probably didn’t have the heart to pull the trigger on himself and tried the “pharmaceutical” route. When the cops show up maybe he decided to go suicide by cop. That’s pure speculation but I’m racking my brain trying to figure out why on earth someone would shoot at the people who saved their life and that’s the only thing that makes sense to me.
@@mechadonia IMHO I think the dude realized the amount of legal shit and bills he was about to face, then decided to actually kill himself by cop. He's inexcusable trash for killing that firefighter though one can understand his extreme anguish in the moment.
@@pozloadescobar Yes 100% agree. Human trash to the end. I’m guessing he didn’t have the courage to shoot himself which is why he went for the overdose and then suicide by cop but that’s definitely a good guess as well. It’s important to understand why people do evil things, evil people are still people at the end of the day. More you can understand the rationale behind an evil act the better you can keep yourself from performing them yourself, as well as keep yourself safe from people who may be in a similar mindset.
You're a moron why are you saying what they said about George Floyd and applying it to this this person who committed a crime and was deservedly shot for it? People like you are part of the problem. You're a fool.
John KT I think the point he’s making is the media are complicit in driving a left wing agenda which always has a narrative of the cops being evil and racist . Don’t tell me that ain’t true I’ve got eyes and ears dude
@@cdixon5150 I dont disagree with what you are saying. I have ears too and they work great. But what that dude quoted is what they said about George Floyd. Forget the narrative,it is so disrespectful and insulting he would do that and compare George to THIS criminal.
@@aminechei8509 no idea and i dont understand how that would matter. If that picture of him holding a gun is real,are you saying he deserves to be murdered now?
It takes about a quarter second for your brain to react to visual stimuli. Now take into account after you have taken in that visual stimuli your brain needs to break down a reaction. It's not uncommon for people to watch something occur just a little bit too long simply because their brain is desperately trying to paint a picture of what is happening and how to interpret that action. Then your brain needs to tell your body to move. Around this time your body will begin to release adrenal from your adrenal glands in order to more concisely deal with a threat, but adrenaline isnt instant. From sudden onset adrenaline takes about 2 to 3 minutes to properly distribute and in that time your reactions will continue to be just a bit slower than physically optimal. As a viewer its easy to judge this as a slow reaction but in the moment it's a different story
@@hartincmajor202 i've seen officers drawing guns faster, with way less body hint's.. specially when "a bulge" is noticed and he covers it. body wise and speech wise
@@hartincmajor202 wow, a person who writes essays with a bunch of fine words now think's what i've writen was to "destroy" his argument.. good thinking. Don't mind me, im just a guy who inhaled some C21H30O2 and now my C8H11NO2 receptors and taking in too much joy.
Aw man, I remember this one when it happened. So sad. Idk if John mentions it or not yet, but a fireman was killed in this incident. Rest his soul. A man who's sole purpose of being there was to save this man's life and in return for his kind act, he becomes a victim of the man he saves.
That firefighters name was Mitch Lundguard. He had less than an hour of his shift left. He was married and had three children he went to my church. He was a good man
Yes Ems not the police. Asking Ems to frisk or pat someone down is like asking the police to provide life sustaining medication. 👍Thanks for the comment man. Have a good day.
@@carlgois8579 Usually the EMS will dig through pockets and backpacks and things like that right away so they can try to figure out what you may have taken. The last thing they want is to waste some Narcan on somebody who doesn't need it. The fact they didn't notice the gun does support your comment some but also highlighted the fact that they could use better training. I'm a civilian and it was still the first thing across my mind. 🤷♂️
Right! Cuffed him. Police back in the days are looking for guns . search for a gun sndvthen talk to him about all the medical care he will be provided .
Well, technically he's right - it's an opiate. Morphine is derived from a natural source(Papaver somniferum) whereas opioides are produced synthetically mostly or semisynthetically...
@@codeinecowboy8607 It's extracted in a lab maybe - still makes it an opiate...and an opiod. In this case it's both. So yes, the guy in the vid is right. I guess he used it as an excuse that, since it is derived from a natural source, it cannot be that harmful... Where he's right again to an extent, if you compared morphine's safety to that of fentanyle's which is a pure opioide...
@@bdkj3e Agree, this is the exact reason why officers tell you to put your hands up and they will shoot if you reach. People criticize when cops shoot first, and those same people will just feel "sad" when the officer gets killed or shot and then in a day will forget about it.
This situation turned on its head in a flash, its very tragic that such a crucial member of society got killed by someone he was helping to stay alive.
John,
Thanks so much for uploading this video and breaking it down for us. As a 29 year firefighter/paramedic veteran this tragedy is truly heartbreaking. Much respect to the police officers and firefighters that had to work through this scenario.
There are two important things that I want to bring up. The first being that depending on the EMS or Fire agency, Mr. Houston (or any overdose victim) isn't free to go, depending on the respective protocol. And I think that is what the problem was with this encounter. Mr. Houston was required to be evaluated by a doctor as result of suffering a narcotic overdose, as evident by the successful resuscitation by Narcan.
The other important point is that when we encounter these types of victims that are unconscious, that is the perfect time to do a quick full-body assessment (that's the medical term for search). Unlike police officers, EMT's are not bound by protected rights or violating the civil rights of the victim. Especially when the victim is unconscious. That is your time to do a quick pat-down of the patient to look for clues as to why the victim would be experiencing a medical event, and look for hazards, such as knives or guns. We call it scene safety. While Mr. Houston was unconscious would have been the perfect time to find that gun and disarm him.
Again, thank you for posting this video. I have been a big fan for quite some time, and believe you are doing great work to help keep the good guys safe and well trained.
Great stuff!! Thanks David, I have pinned this comment.
@@Twins22R exactly what about anything here is false?
David Decker thank you for your service! What is the department policy on handling a weapon? Like in this case if during your scene safety check you find a weapon. Are you allowed to remove it or do you have to wait for an officer?
My concern for you is if there is no officer then what?
Be safe out there, David! So many crazy people out there these days that don’t care about others like this POS that took another paramedic’s life. Much respect to what you do for a living.
David, as a former EMS professional as well, these were exactly my thoughts, the time to do a quick pat down "assessment" is when the patient was unconscious.
That Firefighter was Fireman Mitch Lundguard. He left his wife and 3 kids behind. He only had about an hour left in his shift. He went to our church and the community was very heartbroken over his loss. You can view his memorial service online. Good man, good Firefighter.
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Man that’s so sad :( my condolences
My condolences and prayers for his children and wife. this world has so much evil in it. I will never understand why -
I live in this area of the country the cops here are awesome the firefighters here are awesome.. I still remember this story happening back then.. guys like this take our amendment rights away.. but the government has a hand in that too by allowing people to come over the border with illegal drugs and allowing corporations to flood our markets with opioids.. so we all pay for this in some way shape or form including this perpetrator.. and the way the system is working right now we cannot even vote people out that don't help our country
so damn awful. imagine being a fire fighter thinking it was gonna be just another day on the job and you get shot by some crazed drug addict felon. the world is an awful place, may you rest in peace mr. lundguard. we won’t forget you.
He had no problem killing the people who saved his life. Glad he is now 6 feet deep.
Only regret is that those officers had to work to save a dirtbag's life when they could do something for others. What a wastage of time & energy
6 feet deep? I hope he’s in some animals shit
yeah, bill his family for the price of the narcan!
Judge, Jury, Executioner!! Respect the Thin Blue Line!!!
hayden brayton absolutely can not agree more.
What's crazy is that if he died from the OD the firefighter would still be alive. Heartbreaking.
Sometimes gotta let natural selection do it’s thing
Excellent point!!
whats crazy is that if he wasnt prescribed opiates from a doctor he wouldnt of overdosed.
@@tattooninja child please, that addiction starts in one place. no one just wakes up looking for heroin man. use your brain.
Too bad he didn't die of the OD.
Dude shoots a firefighter that helped save him with narcan.
That's really sad.
Ban narcan!!! It will save good people's lives.
TheProfessorDank and the firefighter dies as well :/ undeserved way to go
Piece of shit.
Andy Wilson ... I’ve used Narcan in the hospital for patients who had strong reaction to pain meds that we gave them. It’s in every ‘crash cart’ and is used several times a year. (RN here)
The poor fireman who saved him lost his life unreal!!! My condolences and thoughts to his family
Amen!!
Tamer Ciftci still can’t blame them for it.
@J Will dumbass
Omg say it isn't so. That is the worst outcome. So sad.
Apparently firemens lifes arent as important as thugs. What a shame this is happening. Shut the border down and help make it difficult to get the drugs
Kills the firefighter that came to save his life. :'( Bystander spends weeks in the hospital. Cop shot. And even the perp's four daughters without a dad. All for nothing. :(
This world is Ice Cold
nothing nah .. that damn ego again
Eris You are stuck in your own world. He made mistakes and has a few felonies been go thru a lot more shit then what you been through. How does that make him not be able to be a good father? Your ego
Vanilla Thunder I find it funny that you think someone like that would be a good father for 4 daughters.
@@vanillathunder1198 No one that is on drugs is a good anything. I know this for a fact as an ex addict. All you care about is the next fix.
“They aren’t opioids they’re morphine”
Is like “it’s not meth, it’s speed.”
It's worse. It's exactly like saying, "It's not opioids, it's heroin." Or "They aren't numbers, they're digits." He was either stupid (that's my guess) or he thought the cops were stupid.
It’s not meth it’s crystal
It’s a dick not a penis
pure evil
Well if you wanna be technical. Meth, and speed are two totally different drugs that both do totally different things.
Ems should have found the firearm when they did the full body assessment as the narcan was administered
firstdue outdoors EMS isn’t law enforcement
I was thinking the same exact thing
@Adam Williams 1. Don't do drugs. 2. Maybe the EMS learned from this video.
I really don't cared if you od'ed or not. See 1.
Probably did a focused assessment for altered mental status and things rolled out from there.Medics we need to start looking for weapons on our patients.Me most of all.
Mac would have saw it
The firefighter / EMT, father of 3 young children who was serving his community, his life mattered. RIP.
His life definitely mattered. I don't understand what the point of saying that was? Was that one of those subliminal "all lives matter" quotes?
@@Thegoldenchild415 I think he means BLM need to stop their racist bullshit and putting thugs that get killed up on a pedestal for young black people to admire. If i read it right...
@@-JonnyBoy- i get it... But just because someone has a past. Does it make it right to murder them?
@@Thegoldenchild415 the only person that got murdered here was the poor EMS guy.
Jonny Boy the shooter died too
Damn, he died TWICE in 30 minutes 🤯
@@bns9915 in not so sure.... someone hit the lady in the head😵
He met his spiritual fitness trainer TWICE.
He lived
@@nightmarethunderfist
No he didn't are u sure
@@joshuajayden77 I'm not. Thought the video mentioned him living...my bad man. It's tragic either way that guns were drawn at all in this situation...
This is one of the most shocking police encounters I've ever witnessed. Never would have thought this guy would just open fire. That's insane.
they suspected he had a weapon and remained casual.
@@zoelife7272 probably the first mistake, at this distance, especially outnumbered two to one, just coming down from an overdose. I'd say physical force should have been used the minute he refused to lift his shirt. It's unfortunate, but this will serve as a reminder of what can happen when you aren't careful enough.
@@jasong6027 just because of the nature of the conversation and the general tone. I didn't think the guy would pull out a gun an start shooting at police over something like this. I'm not American so perhaps I'm just not used to seeing such mayhem.
@@SteveTheGhazaRooster yeah statement is reasonable but you said it yourself, the guy was literally "insane". People are unpredictable
3:42 That pole needs to be arrested for obstruction of justice
LOL
it sounds like an M1 Grant out of ammo
@@ViperVenoM13 I think you mean an "M-1 Garrand". Yes. It has a very distinctive "ping" after the 8th shot.
@@MikeS-um1nm yes that's what i meant
Not funny. Tyrants will make poles, walls, engine blocks, and body armour illegal.
The guy was buying time while talking to the officer and figuring out when to make his move. The nerve of anyone defending him
@MK25 you fuckin idiot they asked him if he had a gun and he said no and then he proceeded to pull it out on them idiot
MK25 You clearly have no idea what BLM means...smh
Zoey Redmond 😂😂 creative, but just like your buddy you clearly have no idea what BLM is...
Zoey Redmond Who are exactly the “leaders”, because there are many government official who support BLM. Are you referring to Trump? Which is a weak example because he on a leash and isn’t even his own person. Also they number of peaceful protest WEIGHT OUT the number of lootings/riots. You would know this if you had a functioning brain. Black lives matter✨
Yes, like how we’re suppose to except the narrative that the movement are Marxist. What at the expense of my people and other groups? I suggest you sit back and hold on bc if the movement makes you uncomfortable now...
And people wonder why police freak out when you reach for something.
Regardless you You must understand why an officer is scared and why his life is endanger Everytime he stops someone. The risk is always there
I remember when I was a child reaching for my wallet in front of a group of officers and that was the most terrifying situation ever. I don't do anything foul but when an officer engages with me I make sure to accommodate him as much as possible
why did they tell him to lift his shirt ? proper protocol dictates that if they feel there is probable cause, like a guy taking non prescription drugs he wasn't suppose to n at the risk of getting a bad rep should have searched him themselves, they fucked up, not excusing the guy's actions but your not in law enforcement to win a popularity contest, your there to keep us safe, that means making the right decisions instead of instigating a guy who's under the influence and passive aggressively threatening to take him by force if he didn't cooperate rather than de-escalate the situation. Plus last time I checked if your conscious you have every right to refuse consent to medical assistance, had he still been unconscious that be a whole other story, also the guy was clearly attempting to advise him that he could not articulate and possibly didn't comprehend to a certain extent what was going on
@I Am The One Who Knocks the number of Law Enforcement jumping the gun when people aren't reaching is very low (that does not minimize or lessen the seriousness and tragedy when it occurs). The Officer should have noticed that the gunman was reaching by the way he had to reach to get his firearm. Plus the gunman wasn't that fast at putting his firearm on target. You are also correct that the firearm should have been located whilst he was ''out'' on the Coach.... and there were Paramedics and Law Enforcement right there. How he was able to get off that Coach with that firearm is a mystery. I hate to say it, as I do support Law Enforcement (the law abiding Law Enforcement) worldwide but, that entire thing is on that Officer. He missed too much that gave that bloke the opportunity he had. There should have been 0 injuries that day, 1 being fatal to a Firefighter. I also can't believe the shots he was taking, with a sidearm, at such a long distance with the gunman using innocents as a shield. That Officer failed the Public that day, as all that violence was absolutely unavoidable (not to mention....needless) had he bloody paid attention. His being bent over, having his head down, was a HUGE mistake.
Yummy, I love the taste of boots.
Wow, unbelievable footage, thanks for the upload John. When he said he had a problem with officers touching him, ( RED FLAGS ) I'm a retired Paramedic of 23 years in Florida and will forward this to a friend at the college to use for training purposes in the paramedic program. Tragedies like this we must learn from. Thoughts and prayers to the Firefighters family. 🙏
exactly him saying he has a problem with officers touching him acting as a false victim and a huge flag. he may as well told them i have something on me
This channel should be a television show so people can see how fast things happen and how they can come out of nowhere
Yep. People think cops have forever to analyze frame by frame of what's ABOUT to happen.
One of my favorite channels. Never let your guard down. Have a plan, practice it, and be ready to fight for your life at all times. Any other mindset is naive and could cost you everything.
I think this channel already changed some minds on gun use/possession.
They have removed any shows that show law enforcement in a positive light in a real life scenario. And then, the children’s show “paw patrol” about cartoon dogs who stop crime was also in their crosshairs for cancellation but it was ultimately not removed. The show Cops, LivePD, and similar series are on permanent suspension from being aired old or new episodes on most cable networks. This TH-cam channel as a TV show would not be allowed as it is way too real and doesn’t carry that “defund police narrative”and is why you don’t hear any of these stories glorified in the “MSM outlets”.
And which people to avoid at all costs. This also the reason why this channel WILL be banned.
This was tragic. I live here in Appleton and this impacted the whole state. I’ve never seen so much support from the community. There were so many fundraisers for the Lundgaard family and they even paid off the mortgage for his wife. He left behind a wife and three young boys. Glad the bad guy is no longer a problem.
Aaaaaawwwwwwwwwww
Nooooooo
Three Young kids oh man
Miguel Jimenez May he Rest In Peace, i wish the cops shot him when he said “ah fuck it” while pulling something out, there’s no way anything good is gonna come from that scenario.
Bruh Ayy the dude was a felon. It pisses me off that one poor mistake from a felon took the life of a father and a hero from our great city. The felon got what he deserved.
@@specialneedsdad
You sound strange. Felon or not anyone can be a threat with or without a criminal record.
joshuajayden77 yes you are correct. But I’m talking about this particular guy. His poor decisions took the life of a firefighter away from his family.
Weird how this happened over a month ago, and this is the first I've heard of it. National media has no intention of showing the truth of the dangers police go through every day, and the sacrifices they make. But let one officer make a mistake and they'll run with it for weeks. It's a shame what our country is coming to.
Search up Whillie Mcoy OIS bodycam video 2
@@andysmith9785 apparently I missed the news that DAY. The point I was making is that this kind of thing happens all the time, and the only thing the media is interested in is slamming LEO. If they had shot an unarmed black man, it would have gotten play for weeks. Thanks for the reply andy...no need to be rude though.
@@Fernandez218 I agree 100%. And the bad thing is that this is causing the police to be afraid to use deadly force, which is exactly what happened here, and that extra second or two caused a firefighter to lose his life.
@@csilly298 that kind of thing does not happen all the time. And it's not one cop making a mistake.
@@csilly298 in 2012 there were approx 1.07 million LEOs in the US. 144 died? Yeah that's really happening all the time.
As a prior emt/firefighter you hit the nail right on the head. You have to search an overdose victim for weapons and clues.
RIP Firefighter Mitchell Lungaard. An army brother is Appleton PD, he said Mitchell was a great man.
my mom moron
my mom bitch
@@dtalks7644 what did "my mom" say?
this is why police are skeptical with anyone
As a police officer you should not be surprised that many encounters go bad. They arent day care providers. They are dealing with criminals so they should not get trigger happy or cynical. Not saying it's easy I wouldn't ever even be in this situation but if so I would shoot the second they blink, my gun would be surgically attached to my hand. Which is why I leave to the amazingly brave people who become police officers.
Orianna I don’t blame a cop for getting carried away and beating somebody that threatened a cops safety. And fuck verbal abuse. If you follow orders and be respectful you are very unlikely to be verbally abused. If you act like an asshole and argue with a cop and refuse to follow orders then yeah, expect an ass beating with a side of verbal abuse.
Black lives matter he didn’t do nothing wrong
Marshal Murat don’t start that fake dumb shit. Blm has nothing to do with this
With Anyone is an extremely broad statement..
This is one of the saddest outcomes I have seen: Saving the life of who will be the end of you. Talking about life being unfair!
Mikael Ben-Eliyahu stop being a little bitch. It’s sad not beautiful.
Gods plan in a way, applying the narcan made you play god it was the mans time.
@@jim8573 saving someone's life is playing God? Go fuck yourself douchebag
This yt channel has taught me things no school or institution ever did or will. Thank you John.
R.I.P to the Firefighter and God bless that poor woman.
@Irom Mqn ..he just had a drug overdose
@Irom Mqn wdym
@@Yellow-km8vo and what is your point. That justifies killing a fuck firefighter?
My condolences to the Family and friends of the fire fighter/ paramedic
I understand why they were slow to react. The last thing you expect is for some random dude you revived to start shooting at you.
Also Appleton is a small town. There's lots of disturbances down by the bus station in library because that's where the homeless tend to gather air conditioning, heat, and to use Wi-Fi. But nothing ever ask a lights to that level. It's the first time that anything like that ever happened in my town. They did the best they could with the training they had. The only thing that was lacking was the experience that officers from larger cities get. Rest in peace Firefighter Mitch Lundguard
Only people not in touch with reality wouldn’t expect something like this from these people. Too bad most of our society has been brain drained and down for the count.
As a police officer you should think like that second hand to
Saying hi time changed y’all sleeping
I mean yeah I agree, they should have pulled their guns out at the exact second they knew he had one. Like instantly! Don't wait for him to pull his out first if you know he is a dangerous man with a gun.
@charles wheelock Yeah but you know if they were to draw a gun without probable cause just because he was a dirtbag what the consequences would have been. Hate crime, right! The dude knew what he was doing all along and accomplished his goal which was to go out in a glorious hail of bullets and take as many with him. Notice he kept leaning on the bus to hid the bulge. It sucks they couldn't have been more heads up.
*THIS VIDEO HAS SHAKEN ME TO MY CORE!*
Literally, the tears are rolling down my face! These are the cases that people don't see! That officer was SO calm and SO nice at first and all he wanted to do was help the guy. The guy could have gone to the hospital, EVEN WITH HIS GUN, and tried to hide the gun in his bag or something. He didn't have to take it out and shoot people who were JUST trying to help him! I thought the tragedy was going to be him falling over and dying. I had no idea he was going to shoot someone who meant him absolutely no harm! Wow! You can't trust anyone! That just came out of nowhere! They just saved his life and his thing to do was to kill! I am so sorry for that officer & the firefighter and his family! My heart goes out to him and his family! Just...there are no words. The worst part is that you can tell he didn't think it would escalate to that! He was just trying to help!
I remember this, that poor firefighter's family * that idiot's family was lawyered-up and ready to sue the City UNTIL they saw this video
carren ward that’s why bodycam on officer is the greatest thing no racial card can be pulled here in court.
Did a police officer die here ?who is the firefighter ?
@@bingbong5939 Firefighter died in the crossfire. From the initial few shots from the suspect.
Alex Bergeron - this guy was clearly wrong but let’s not act like many of police interactions comes from racist piece of shit cops.
J 1559 - damn that’s sad
I am a retired Firefighter and my Son followed me into the Fire Department, back in the ‘70s we had people shooting at us at random calls so we started wearing flack jackets(that don’t stop bullets) and when BP vests came out I always wore one. When my Son became a Firefighter I bought him a custom made vest, he says he wears it everyday, I’m praying he does.
GREAT DAD. THANK GOD.
Why would anyone ever shoot at a firefighter?
@@steveescher1554 right?
Maybe arson situations, violent tough neighborhoods..etc ?
Might as well get him a Kevlar helmet too
@@steveescher1554This happens all the time. Stabbing also.
The evil we have in this world. Sad knowing a firefighter died in this
@@rocdaneweracap ?
Who the fuck uses emojis when referring to the dead.... doesn't seem very appropriate.
Edit: Nice job removing it.
The You’ve just completely contradicted yourself mate. Obviously nobody is born pure evil but people can become evil. Of course it can be reversed, not easy though, trying to convince someone that their lifestyle choices are bad and that they need to change.
Serial killers are the perfect example of evil. Most are incredibly intelligent so you can’t put it down to them being stupid, yes they may have had a poor upbringing but that is no excuse to do what they do at all.
Another example of evil is authoritarian dictators of all kinds I.e Stalin, Hitler, Mao etc. There’s no excuse to commit heinous acts.
@@Fernandez218 ......The bad guy is a murderer. He killed some one trying to help him. I have zero compassion for him. I hope he ends up in the electric chair😜
@@Fernandez218 It is the idiots who apologize for and excuse the behavior of these thug criminals who are evil. Thanks for clearing that up.
One shocking thing about this story is that the family of the shooter (his wife and daughter), after seeing the footage said that everyone involved did their jobs right and that they had nothing but sympathy and good wishes for the individuals affected.
it's a shame they didnt check him for weapons when they were reviving him... hard to believe they didnt see it then.. bloody tragic
Leads me to believe that this video is not a real incidents.
Neon Sean happened in my city. Definitely a real incident
Good point.
Guess that shirt covered it up really good. That or he was holstering it on the inside of his belt. Took him a little bit to pull it out. Didn't really seem like the biggest pistol ever either.
It's a real shame they brought him back to life in the first place. Should've just stuffed him in the luggage compartment of the bus and kept the trip moving until they could throw him out somewhere secluded. P.O.S.
RIP to that brave firefighter who was killed.
His name was Mitch lundgard. He had less than an hour of a shift left. He left behind his wife and three children. They went to my church he was a good man
@@victorianewton2426 unbearably heartbreaking. Oh Man.
@@victorianewton2426 I just read this and heard who he was, how incredibly awful. I watched his obituary video and cried he had such a beautiful family.
@Rafael Sodre you MUST go-to the emergency room after getting revived with narcon, because you are about a hair away from death if/when it wears off and the drugs are still in your system.
What did he do that was brave? Just boot licking?
Just want to clear a few things up as I have a personal connection to this shooting.
This happened in Appleton, WI at the Valley Transit Center which is nowhere near Milwaukee. The firefighters name was Mitch Lundgaard and he had a wife and 3 children. One of the officers hit the bystander, Brittany Schowalter, while returning fire.
The perp was out on $500 bail in Sheboygan and already facing prison time.
Very sad for everyone connected to this and I hope that Mitch may rest in peace, and his family/friends may find some peace.
Demitri Solvinski . Real sad. I only wish they’d leave him to die on the bus. Ppl like this man only come into this world to destroy an cause pain to other ppl. He’s know criminal out on bail but yet he’s out taking drugs an walking around wit a gun. I hope he get the death penalty for this. Sorry. R.I.P to the firefighter 😔😔😔😔😔😔😔
Can someone relate where Mitch Lundgaard was located in relation to the officers? I know, I don't need to know, but it's so horrible. Weeping over this one... this was a shock to me...
@@nickwilson5568 the suspect was killed. Also, nobody deserves to die and nobody starts out a criminal. We need to do a better job raising our children to not become adults with issues like this. It's sad for everyone, even the suspects family.
@@SilverJ56 Mitch was behind the officers and to their right.
The firefighter was standing with the cops right in front of the guy when he pulled his gun and just started blasting them. From what I can tell he's also the firefighter who saved the junky's life on the bus not five minutes before the junky murdered him.
shoots : "ping"
shoots again: "ping"
damn he hit the pole twice in a row? wow
it most likely either went through the target or onto the stop sign pole next to him. He definitely hit his shots tho
Crazy part is he probably couldn’t hit the pole twice in a row if he tried. Crazy stuff happens under stress.
@@Dara-ih6jq that's instinctual point shooting, he realizes and narrows down on him after.
I always seem to be the most accurate when I miss. Lol. Craziest thing.
Dude starts taking steps back and reaching into his pocket. Seemed like the reactions of those involved were slow
Action is faster than reaction
Sadly police have had to change the way they handle situations just like this. Especially when a black man is involved. Those cops saw him reaching and normally would have shot him the second he started reaching but if they did shoot him and it turned out he was unarmed it would have created a bad situation for the police department and city this happened in. Organizations like BLM would have rioted, destroying the city costing billions of dollars in damages to businesses not to mention that man's family would have sued the police department for millions.
But you would think they would draw their guns as soon as he reached and then decide when to fire.
Very fucking slow. Some guy backing up acting like that after you asked if he had a gun? Yeah, either don't let him grab it or get yours completely out. Drawing on him might have stopped him from moving, but probably not.
@@bricktop6216 stfu idiot.. other side of town some kid probably gets gunned down for ditching some weed out his pocket
Just got my ccw and watching these videos is helping me understand why I wanted to carry and why IT'S IMPORTANT TO TRAIN thank you for that.
Good deal.
Watching this for the hundredth time. You can see him hiding his right side . Early indicators are abound. Situational awareness is key.
Anyone have the grave address to the guy in the jersey? I really have to take a piss.
@@rayharvey1330 no you won't brother social justice warrior are sympathetic to the wronged not to a colour or race but you won't understand it you racist asshole
@@nodehead9475 HA
@@rayharvey1330 Lol. Great comment.
@@nodehead9475 sjw are only sympathetic to people of color and trans people.
Who is going to pay Mitch Lundgaard's family 27 million dollars?
"when we encounter these types of victims that are unconscious, that is the perfect time to do a quick full-body assessment (that's the medical term for search)." Well said. Skipping that important step led to this incident. Also, as soon as the suspect stated he "has a problem with officers touching me" and kept stepping backward, those officers should have seen big, giant, screaming red flags and responded with quick and decisive action. While I admire the officers for the compassion and patience shown, I feel that too much of a casual attitude by these first responders and officers on scene resulted in a dangerous and deadly outcome. ANY TIME drugs are involved, proper precautions MUST be followed.
I was prior military with a couple of combat deployments. I was also a firefighter/emt after the military. We would have found that gun while he was unconscious.
I have a friend who was a paramedic for 20 years and he said the same thing. They should have checked him for weapons when they had the chance.
Thank you for your service
I am planning on joining when I am old enough
@Colton Hauk complacently literally kills.
Monday morning quarter back
@@jeremy0440 or maybe experience?
My man died twice two different ways on the same day.
Kinda impressive
That's some day
Nice to know you recognize him as Your Man, class act
@@freddyzamaripa3920 oh fuck off freddy
@@cavemanlovesmoke4394 why are you offended for someone else...?
Why didn't they check him for weapons as they were reviving him
palpate his crotch
Doesnt naturally go through your head when saving someones life... hopefully our first responders learn this lesson.
You have an extremely short time to bring them back, if it is going to happen. The three "B's" Breathing, Beat (heart), Bleeding. Narcan brings them back real fast from near dead to "up and swinging". Not much time to cover all those points.
@@jimbayler4277 umm any first responder will tell you , the first thing you learn is SAFETY FIRST!!!!
@@ashzole : Ummm.... I was a First Responder.
Safety First involved "Burning buildings, Traffic, Hostile crowds, Downed Electrical, Falling buildings, Chemical spills, etc.
Your dying patient getting up and shooting you wasn't one of those.
The tragedy of one of earth’s worst taking out one of earth’s best.
Wait so the perp is the earth's best?
@@WhoThisMonkey No, the perp killed a firefighter who just revived him.
@@PopeBombsThe1st
Oh shit, I don't know how I missed that
@@WhoThisMonkey no worries, matey. As they say in Austria...
@FunTimes53 cop got shot, fireman got shot and killed.
This happened across the street from my old house. I heard the shots from my bedroom amd got my 8 year old daughter out of the front room but it was too late. She saw everything. The large building is the library. Firefighter Mitch Lundguard went to my church and my beat friend was a responding officer to this incident. The suspect and Mitch died, the officer that was shot survived as well as a female bystander who was shot in the head.
Appleton is for the most part a dream community to have a family. This shooting rocked our community to the reality of the dangers there are in the world. I grew up in foster care in the inner cities...I knew what those sounds were and remember screaming for my daughter who was 8, to get down and crawl to the back of the house. I saw people gathering outside with their phones out and started to usher them inside and out of the way. Green Bay PD came down to handle this and it was unnerving to have them come to my house to interview my daughter and check our house for bullets. RIP Mitch, you're not forgotten and your family is being cared for. Thank you for your service LEO, EMT, FF, FR. I know the risk you take, even in small towns where "nothing" ever happens.
That’s so sad to hear, you guys have to make sure the community looks after Mitch family, make some type of commemorating event every once in a while or something, it helps with the pain of loosing a loved one...
I live in Milwaukee. We have all been very sad about this here. We lost a good fireman for this piece of trash. We just lost 2 more policemen yesterday to more pieces of garbage as well.
@Zechs Merquise people with drug problems are everywhere and come in all different shapes, sizes, and colors. Don't be narrow minded.
This didn't happen anywhere near Milwaukee. Acting like this situation directly impacted you is disrespectful to the people it truly did affect.
Dave Logic the nerve of you...we don’t commit mass shootings in droves on elementary schools and movie theaters.
africano dos santos dos santos fuck you too punk. You only will say that shit on the internet you weak little boy.
@nevy channel sure it wasn't near MKE but ... The guy was a drug dealer .. had left MKE on the bus stopping at 2 cities in Wisconsin on the way home to Wausau.. also he was out on bond.
“I have a problem with officers touching me”
Nothing at all to do with the gun on my hip.
Now one can understand the real meaning of
“no good deed goes unpunished”!
Definitely explained now
Did not see this coming.
YPL Y.O. same here
YPL Y.O. That’s why you’re here, so you can learn to anticipate them.
Then you weren't looking, or listening. It was obvious when they questioned the bulge on his side. "I have a problem with officers touching me" is Jive which translates to "I don't give a damn anymore and I'm going to take as many of you with me as I can."
How come no one (EMS, FD, Police) check this man for weapons( and drugs) while he was out? That was the big mistake here.
You aren't allowed to according to the 4th amendment
@@dankdungeon5104 Read the amendment.
@nevy channel They had to give him several doses, they had plenty of time while waiting for each dose to take effect. It is all fun and games until someone wakes up, pull a knife and start stabbing at random. In this case two lives would be spared and a bystander would not have to deal with a bullet on her head.
I like how you give advice for the perk it's important for EVERYONE to know their rights not just their second amendment
So they save his life and he gets a second chance just to lose it.... He really wanted to go out
Thank you for your service gentlemen and may the fallen rest in peace.
That sergeant was pretty precise. I think he hit the metal signage pole twice in a row.
Alotaf Hindi I heard that sound too. 😑
It sounds like a M1 Garand clip ejection
Your channel is my favorite. I just discovered it. You sir are passionate about what you do. I respect that.
Another example of the chaos our police officers and First Responders have to endure every day.
I agree. Cops go call to call dealing with matters like this all day long. They are always one step behind on the criminal who will shoot first to escape.
WarmwaterSloth so first responders don’t help people?
James Sailors you are a different kind of special
@@warmwatersloth6188 PERFECT COMMENT!
I think all EMS personnel should wear body armour. RIP to the fallen hero.
Fuck that. I just carry and if I believe it’s going to need law enforcement I just wait till they roll in with us. Idk if others like armor in EMS, but me personally it’ll just get in the way.
they should had searched him when he was still out from his drug overdose.
link Xavier Stone right
While I agree, are they legally allowed to search him when he’s unconscious?
@@pandahsykes602 wrong, they just need probable cause that a crime was being committed. the dude overdosed publicly on other peoples medication. that alone is a crime, they should have searched him while he was being revived for the safety of all involved. it is not uncommon for cops in philly to search people before giving treatment so they dont get stuck with a dirty needle. all in all this was a tragedy but could have been avoided.
@@christopher2327 they probably didn't realize it was someone else's meds until he was revived. Seemed like they were letting him go anyway though
Nope, they'd get in trouble.
Your videos are just SO good. Thank you for doing what you do. This makes so many people feel more confident in life. Amazing channel.
Thank you so much for telling people about their 4th amendment rights. People often forget to stop incriminating themselves.
What about the 2nd you moron! Stupid piece of trash
I can't believe they never searched him earlier
Like he said though, you can't search someone just because you want to. They weren't talking to him because he was suspected of a crime (other than the drugs)
@Colton Hauk I am neither a police officer nor a medic so I cannot speak on the matter other than the 4th amendment which prohibits unlawful search and seizures. There is probably overlap of that amendment and just cause, but I don't know where the line is drawn.
@@DadJokesAllDayLong If you need to give treatment to an unconscious drug addict I would presume that qualifies as a justifiable search. A medic can't treat someone unless they deem their situation as safe.
The fact that John is able to upload a video a day speaks a lot about the sad state of this world we live in 😧
He could probably upload a dozen videos a day.
Realize the world is much better than it was in regards to violence don't fool yourself
This is a great series for those wanting to learn.
And John seems like a sincere teacher.
RIP to the firefighter that help saved the life of the man that then killed him, hope the bad guy rots in hell.
Did the firefighter die? man :( that's horrible ..... my heart goes out to all involved and especially that firefighter.. so sad RIP. God bless
@@benaldridge6341 I'm not religious myself but you damn well know what they meant
Ben Aldridge there are bad guys and good guys. Evil people exist so shut up with that leftist bullshit.
Ben Aldridge
The fat dude who the fireman saved, is a piece of shit... Some people would call him a "bad" person. Fuck that guy
@@benaldridge6341 Shut up with your leftist bullshit.
Ah yes, the Pythagorean Theorem. How did I not think of that?
11:23
In any cases related to drugs or alcohol, EMS should have free range to search for safely! PERIOD
@@andrewguadarrama2285 Which is why they should have, they are not police and are not bound by their laws. They can and should search as it can help with understanding how the patient in their care got to that point or how it can affect their management. It's got nothing to do with stereotypes but they should have for medical reasons. Read John's pinned comment for more clarification and more expert opinion.
“I have a problem with officers touching me and stuff”
spoken like a true criminal.
Salute to all first responders and prayers for that firefighters family...so tragic they have to encounter elements of society like this one
Bet The Young Turks don’t do a feature on this one!
Why wouldn't they Paul?
@@gongzilla527
Yeah Paul, Im stumped, why wouldn't the Young Turks investigate?
Had to subliminally bring his boyfriend into discussion
@@gongzilla527 ......because it does not further tyt agenda that all police officers are gun crazy ,racists.
fifthward1983 wow. Another useless idiot with access to the internet
Curious as to why they didn't check him while he was down?🤔
I think EMT priority is to save life and not searching but I would hope they will add this to their standard procedure moving forward.
@Daniel W, ok I was not aware of that. I just thought their priority is to rush saving life. Thanks for the info.
Doom Archvile as long as the gun isn’t stolen from the citizen and returned to them EMS can remove the firearm.
@@generalrendar7290 but what if the EMS is a convicted felon or convicted domestic abuser? Can he remove it then?
@@shadygunshow 🤷♂️
The opiate problem in Wisconsin is horrible. My love to the victims and to the officers who responded with care and professionalism.
Why do we bother saving these people? He was already taking care of the problem.
This is why police go "crazy" when someone is reaching. Im so sick of people yelling at cops for shooting people that are reaching.
Don't forget the "lungers" there's a lungeing epidemic and frankly I'm sick of it.
As a healthcare worker, I can tell you that we are often attacked and assaulted by people we are only trying to help. Whatever our first responders are paid, it isn't enough. I'm afraid we will reach a point where it will be difficult to recruit police and first responders, they aren't paid enough for the abuse they face.
Our society doesn't seem to want folks to have access to good healthcare and the insurance industry is mostly responsible for that. Most doctors who have a practice spend a great deal of their time fighting with insurance companies to either have a procedure approved or even to get paid. We are allowing this to happen to ourselves, and one day only the 1% will be able to obtain any medical need. I stay healthy by not eating the SAD - (standard American diet), taking boat loads of supplements, not consuming any sort of street drugs, staying at a healthy weight. Medicare makes money off me since I have no chronic conditions. This will all catch up to us one of these days when no one wants to be employed in any healthcare position.
More than likely, medical personnel will be so low when OD's continue skyrocketing due to botched batches of drugs in the near future 💀⚰️⚰️
I love the way you break down each video frame by frame.
They were just trying to help him. This is why some cops have itchy trigger fingers. You never know what someone is gonna do.
James Sailors that’s why you don’t pull shit out of your pockets if an officer doesn’t want you to. It’s not that hard.
James Sailors this guy lied and said it was a cell phone. It’s simple if an officer says don’t reach DONT REACH it doesn’t matter what it is just listen
Well maybe dont try to steamroll ppl for a living and this wont happen ACAB
@@cavemanlovesmoke4394 you're a piece of shit
potawatadingdong - being a cop is a hard ass job. That’s why racist pieces of shit cops who kill innocent black make it hard for good decent guys like these cops who treated this man like a human being to do their jobs. Bad cops make it bad for citizens and their fellow colleagues.
You have my respect brother. So many youtubers don't want to mention about their spiritual beliefs because of fear of losing subscribers but you want to help people and that includes reminding them that we're spirit souls that need to get right with God.
Wtf, dude was spared an OD death just to pull this, sad.
Justin Kirschman he got an OD. Lead OD
Just because he was out and given narcan does not mean he was going to die. I've seen people go out and turn blue and later wake up without issue.
@@resiack But are you really gonna risk that chance?
Dan Harlow he was probably gonna die. Paramedics don’t say, “Oh he might not die so let’s just see what happens” no they fix the situation. They helped him regardless of whether he was gonna die or not
Ok .. you’re such a badass.. with your shwostica.. can’t think for your self , so you follow an idiocy..
As a 25 year paramedic I have used Narcan many times to reverse overdoses. Sometimes when I arrive on scene the patient is blue. They are never grateful, often get pissed off for ruining their high, it makes them sick. They often become enraged when the police force them to go to the hospital if it’s determined they are a danger to themselves or others. A quick pat down is required if you get in my ambulance. Weapons are often found. It’s quite common. Hardcore junkies carry weapons.
“Ah, fuck it.” He says as he pulls a gun and kills a man. It’s crazy that you can think so little of a human life.
My guess is the overdose was attempted suicide. Probably didn’t have the heart to pull the trigger on himself and tried the “pharmaceutical” route. When the cops show up maybe he decided to go suicide by cop. That’s pure speculation but I’m racking my brain trying to figure out why on earth someone would shoot at the people who saved their life and that’s the only thing that makes sense to me.
@@mechadonia IMHO I think the dude realized the amount of legal shit and bills he was about to face, then decided to actually kill himself by cop. He's inexcusable trash for killing that firefighter though one can understand his extreme anguish in the moment.
@@pozloadescobar Yes 100% agree. Human trash to the end. I’m guessing he didn’t have the courage to shoot himself which is why he went for the overdose and then suicide by cop but that’s definitely a good guess as well. It’s important to understand why people do evil things, evil people are still people at the end of the day. More you can understand the rationale behind an evil act the better you can keep yourself from performing them yourself, as well as keep yourself safe from people who may be in a similar mindset.
Media: " He was a gentle giant who was just trying to get his life back together... "
You're a moron why are you saying what they said about George Floyd and applying it to this this person who committed a crime and was deservedly shot for it?
People like you are part of the problem. You're a fool.
John KT I think the point he’s making is the media are complicit in driving a left wing agenda which always has a narrative of the cops being evil and racist . Don’t tell me that ain’t true I’ve got eyes and ears dude
@@cdixon5150 I dont disagree with what you are saying. I have ears too and they work great. But what that dude quoted is what they said about George Floyd. Forget the narrative,it is so disrespectful and insulting he would do that and compare George to THIS criminal.
@@johnkttraining i just saw a picture of Floyd circuling around of him holding a gun or something . is it true ?
@@aminechei8509 no idea and i dont understand how that would matter. If that picture of him holding a gun is real,are you saying he deserves to be murdered now?
im amazed on how he got time to take out his gun and reload
At first it could've been deducted he was armed while the dude was unconscious. Visual inspection people.
I hate this happened so close to home... RIP to the firefighter whos life was lost
Agreed, it’s a real tragic incident - parents grew up in Appleton
damn the dude shot a fire fighter :( that firefighter just rushed there to save his life
You don't see this in the national news
@@alphonsusho8962 I know and the thing that's more sad is I didn't even see it on local news
3:14 Some slow Reactions in my Eyes but i am not a cop !! He had to much time pulling his Gun!
It takes about a quarter second for your brain to react to visual stimuli. Now take into account after you have taken in that visual stimuli your brain needs to break down a reaction. It's not uncommon for people to watch something occur just a little bit too long simply because their brain is desperately trying to paint a picture of what is happening and how to interpret that action. Then your brain needs to tell your body to move. Around this time your body will begin to release adrenal from your adrenal glands in order to more concisely deal with a threat, but adrenaline isnt instant. From sudden onset adrenaline takes about 2 to 3 minutes to properly distribute and in that time your reactions will continue to be just a bit slower than physically optimal.
As a viewer its easy to judge this as a slow reaction but in the moment it's a different story
I agree with you fully, they were extremely slow not tactically ready.
@@hartincmajor202 i've seen officers drawing guns faster, with way less body hint's.. specially when "a bulge" is noticed and he covers it. body wise and speech wise
@@andrebarros7703 wow solid argument it totally destroys everything I typed a year ago. Good job
@@hartincmajor202 wow, a person who writes essays with a bunch of fine words now think's what i've writen was to "destroy" his argument.. good thinking. Don't mind me, im just a guy who inhaled some C21H30O2 and now my C8H11NO2
receptors and taking in too much joy.
Rest In Peace to the firefighter who lost their life.
Ruben: Hey thanks for saving my life...
Also Ruben: Here’s some lead as a thank you!
Cops: Ok back to sleep you go!
3:42 **DING** pole down!
2 times
They both hit that pole two times good aim
Lol
Luck shot
dangerous unpredictable ricochet
Aw man, I remember this one when it happened. So sad. Idk if John mentions it or not yet, but a fireman was killed in this incident. Rest his soul. A man who's sole purpose of being there was to save this man's life and in return for his kind act, he becomes a victim of the man he saves.
That firefighters name was Mitch Lundguard. He had less than an hour of his shift left. He was married and had three children he went to my church. He was a good man
I watched this yesterday . You came to mind right away . From what you've taught me they should have seen/stopped this gun much earlier on
Thank you for being bold with your faith brother.
How come he wasn't properly searched while he was unconscious
He hasn’t committed a crime. It’s unconstitutional I think.
@@carlgois8579 EMS is not bound by those laws. A paramedic can empty your pockets and waistband without any legal repercussions at all.
Yes Ems not the police. Asking Ems to frisk or pat someone down is like asking the police to provide life sustaining medication. 👍Thanks for the comment man. Have a good day.
Carl Gois people’s pockets and bags get searched right away.
@@carlgois8579 Usually the EMS will dig through pockets and backpacks and things like that right away so they can try to figure out what you may have taken. The last thing they want is to waste some Narcan on somebody who doesn't need it. The fact they didn't notice the gun does support your comment some but also highlighted the fact that they could use better training. I'm a civilian and it was still the first thing across my mind. 🤷♂️
OD "victims" should be cuffed straight after resuscitation. Questions later.
or at least pat them down to make sure they haven't got any weapons before/while they administer the narcan. Sad stuff.
Before
Right! Cuffed him. Police back in the days are looking for guns . search for a gun sndvthen talk to him about all the medical care he will be provided .
Crazy stuff, to save a man's life through administration of aid to then lose your life to the same man.....proper scumbag.
So crazy! Happened so fast.
I also carry for my families protection. Really good video to show how fast you have to think.
“That’s not opioids, that’s morphine”
Damn people, at least know what your sticking in your body.
Well, technically he's right - it's an opiate. Morphine is derived from a natural source(Papaver somniferum) whereas opioides are produced synthetically mostly or semisynthetically...
@@kofski dog if it's from an organic source or if it synthetic it's still an opiate
@@jordanrejon5091 nickname checks out
@@codeinecowboy8607 It's extracted in a lab maybe - still makes it an opiate...and an opiod. In this case it's both. So yes, the guy in the vid is right.
I guess he used it as an excuse that, since it is derived from a natural source, it cannot be that harmful...
Where he's right again to an extent, if you compared morphine's safety to that of fentanyle's which is a pure opioide...
Im amazed they let him get the first shot off...
I was just thinking they must've felt *so* sure this guy's life they *just* saved, that surely he was no threat, fckn sad
It's sad that some people nowadays want the cops to wait till they get shot at first before they are allowed to shoot back, it's bullshit.
You should link this video anytime some SJW shitbag complains about cops firing too many times or too soon.
He didn't. John says that the officer got the first shot and then he was hit by the perp.
@@bdkj3e Agree, this is the exact reason why officers tell you to put your hands up and they will shoot if you reach. People criticize when cops shoot first, and those same people will just feel "sad" when the officer gets killed or shot and then in a day will forget about it.
This happened 15 minutes from where I live... A huge tragedy. Prayers to the family of the firefighter.😢🙏
This situation turned on its head in a flash, its very tragic that such a crucial member of society got killed by someone he was helping to stay alive.