ASOIAF: Government, Currency and Succession - History of Westeros Series
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- A look at the structure of the Westerosi government, and how the Kingdom operates. Also a look at the currency of the realm and a basic breakdown of Inheritance Rights in the Kingdom. Based on the series A Song of Ice and Fire by George R R Martin.
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Renly was master of laws and crowned himself king ignoring all laws of succession. Ironic
You were master of ships but your fleet got decimated at Blackwater. Your family likes irony.
fitch bit No army is immune to treachery
+Stannis The Mannis Baratheon Or desertion.
Robert despised the incestuous Targaryens yet his supposed 'children' were all bastards born of incest
even though his own ancestors were targaryens including his granny and the founder of house baratheon likely
I think I know more about ASOIAF history than our own worldly history
Honestly that's not a bad thing. You have a lot of insight into the gist of Medieval European and Mediterranean history thanks to ASOIAF so that's a win in my book. ;)
Real history is a lot more detailed and a freaking lot more interesting, almost reaching sci fy levels. About cruelty, real world always wins. Just look at the whole Chinese wars or the Mongol empire
Yeah well ASOIF is only covering a few generations of a very small piece of land. World history has exponentially more generations, rollers, governments, territories, cultures, etc…
lol, during the intro, you started talking as soon as the piano hit a note, so I thought it was going to be a rap song or something.
Edward Prince
50 sixpence
Lmao
Damn now I understand how much joffery was giving away when he said "1 gold dragon to the first person to knock my fools hat off"
thank you a lot. when I was younger I loved to write short fiction, then stopped through my teen years after learning about George RR Martins, A song of ice and fire through the tv show Game of thrones it inspired me to start writing fiction again. An epic fiction I'm currently stuck on the currency and pay of certain classes and job wages this has helped a lot.
good luck and whats the plot of your story if you dont mind me asking
GRRM has some pretty good short stories too. You should look them out some you can find on TH-cam.
Keep working on, my man
@CivilizationEx Lol the music you use always makes me teary-eyed and reflective.
+Kutty Kool :)
I'd love to show your videos to someone who's never seen the show or books, just as a pre-orientation to the world. I'd say your videos are easier to follow than even HBO's history series. Definitely the best learning source out there for ASOIAF
CruzaderKnight Thank you! :)
The fact that the currency is so lopsided and hard to convert is infuriating
This is quite realistic for a medieval society
There is really no point in converting. 99% of Commoners will only use copper coins. They will never reach the net worth of even 1 gold coin their whole lives.
Actually they will, calculating through bread prices the gross income of a single peasant family(5 people or so) would be 5 gold dragons/year. Of course all of most of that remains in the form of food they eat themselves, but still.
But I assume that what's implied here is that peasants never come close to owning a single Gold Dragon worth of other possessions, like clothing, beds and who knows what the hell else. It's kinda pointless to include food in a calculation like that because the food doesn't keep around like other commodities.
That's something that happens with a bottom up currency system. I think a lot of those inbetweens are based on common items such as bread could be a half groat. A horse could perhaps cost a moon.
Just finished all 21 videos in this playlist. Thank you SO MUCH for compiling all this information and sharing it in an easy and understandable way. I really like the artwork, it's simple but so dynamic, showing clear differences in individuals and their characteristics. Time to watch all the other videos you have! :D
loenigma69 Thanks! Really appreciate the positive feedback :)
I agree completely... the artwork is simple, but it goes with the actual story perfectly... And so does his voice and the way he explained everything it's just such a good pairing
If I were to live in Westeros I'd probably either pick The Vale or Dorne.
I'd pick either dorne or the reach
Hybrid Driver and Wholefoods Shopper
Last Hearth. Freezing my ass off sounds enjoyable.
Hybrid Driver and Wholefoods Shopper iron islands cause I can raid
The Riverlands are nice but they're constantly being fought over. Personally I'd go with the Reach, more immediate harvests and it seems pretty peaceful if you stay away from wide open fields and dry grasses.
Reach cuz I like food
Your videos are just brilliant! Thank you so much for rebuilding the world of ASOIAF and allow us to get so deep inside it.
Costanza Di Castro You're very welcome! :)
Wow, Amazing video. Done very well and answered any and all questions I had. Defiantly a new fan
That's exactly what I asked you to do a video about :) im so honored
Every video is always consistently great. Glad to see you over 10k subscribers. Great stuff as always
J Meezy18 Thank you! :) :)
+CivilizationEx this is the video that you made that has the most parelels to real life
much love, thank you so much for your hard and fine work. 🙌🙌🙌
Hey there, love ur channel! Even when I click on a video thinking that I know almost everything about the subject matter, you still end teaching me a few things. Ur in-depth knowledge mixed with ur very clear presentation style is very much appreciated.Thanks for the video, keep up the excellent work please! :)
TJ Davis Thanks! :)
Getting those subs, guys. Keep up the good work.
thesuperbroski Thanks! :)
These are by far the best ASoIaF videos on you tube how do you not have over a million subs. Great vids dude ;)
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Masterful!! thank you :)
Ria Kurniati Thanks! :)
kingdom of this, kingdom of that and ..dorne.....way to ruin the set DORNE !!
Dorne pretty much ruined everything, you know. Killed a dragon, refused to follow anyone, created the crappiest part of any show ever, etc.
They do have best Succession system
George Staykov its very much like moors
Sir Aroun i mean its Still dictatorship
Minnie Halfswinger *Dornish master plan*
Amazing video!
What would happen if a female head of a house married a male head of another house? Would it mean that their 2 houses would somehow merge? I'm thinking especially in Dorne, lets say Jynessa Blackmont, heir to House Blackmont married Edric Dayne, Lord of Starfall and had a child together - would that child inherit both titles and somehow a some what new House would be formed?
+Kevin Huynh I believe they would inherit the title and their house would be the fathers.
I think the first born son would take his fathers name and inherit his titles. The second son would take the mothers name and inherit her titles.
But if they just had one kid, it the mothers titles might pass to a brother or uncle. Or maybe the family would split in the next generation.
+Petter Söderberg In Dorne? My thinking is that they would inherit the most powerful house first, or the eldest would choose and the second child would get what’s left.
The land of the smaller house would be absorbed into the bigger one.
Such an example is the Hornwood dispute in the North. Lady Hornwood, a widow of old age, was courted by many lords, most prominently Wyman Manderly, who hoped to marry her to absorb the lands of Hornwood into their own. Note that Lady Hornwood at that time is the sole Lady of the Hornwood lands and therefore they won't pass to anyone but her.
In Dorne, while counterintuitive, the laws would apply the same way; as the bigger house would be the most dominant regardless of gender of lord/lady
Good job keep doing these vids
bruh I have my exams tomorrow, stop feeding my ASOIAF addiction 😢
Dorne..... you really do amaze me, good job on not being a sheep! :3
Ah civilization x answering the questions i didn't know i had
I think it's agnatic primogeniture succession. A son comes before an uncle.
Energetic Wave Yes, even if the King or Lord had two sons. The oldest son would be set to inherit the title, and if he had a son, his son would be next in the line of succession. Even if the oldest son dies when his boy is just a baby, the title would go to the baby, rather than the uncle. The uncle would probably just take care of things until the boy is old enough (or kill him, to avoid such a dispute).
Your channel is so great
Your videos are great and you deserve way more subs! I also have a suggestion. You should do vids on the elder scrolls series :)
Not The Chosen One Thanks! Hopefully we can do that one day :)
Well Expanded
I've seen a few guesstimates here and there and most people point at Golden Dragons being the rough equivalent of $1500 or so. Another good reference is 1GD = 1 Pound Sterling (late 14th century) which also fits well. What astonishes me are two things.
1. Robert's tourney of the hand. The winner would win 40k dragons, rougly 60 MILLION DOLLARS. Even for all of westeros that is madness, consider the worth of all of the material wealth in Westeros today is mostly attached to agriculture and the trade of, mostly, food. The runner up would make half that money, as well as the winner of the mele, and 10k GD to the best archer (good old Guy of the Brotherhood who drank and fucked through 15 million USD in weeks). The total is 135.000.000 USD, for a realm already 9.000.000.000 USD in debt. Let that sink in.
2. Maegor the Cruel's war on the Faith. The reward was 1GD for the head of a Warrior's Son (Knight sworn to the Faith Militant) and 1 Silver Stag for the scalp of a Poor Fellow (today known as sparrows). That means a holy knight is worth 1500 USD (fair bounty for war time) but it also means a soldier that kills one holy thug gets paid the rough equivalent of 7 dollars. I guess that's why the called him "the cruel".
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teebaby0486 Thanks! :)
4:50 that's the exact reason the War of the Roses started....
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Weeell done!
Manuel Jauregui Thanks! :)
wasn't the Iron Throne forged usin dragon fire meting the swords together? Not by blacksmiths.
+naponroy The legend says dragons heated the swords (in place of a forge) but blacksmiths hammered it together.
ah.
You think those swords just magiced their way into position?
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The Kingdom of Isles and Rivers, The Kingdom of the Rock, The Kingdom of the Reach... and dorne
the dornish were always the special ones
It's funny that on the show now, if Tomen dies then the crown goes to Cerci (SPOILER or Jamie now he is no longer a Kingsguard *SPOILER*), not coz she's Queen Regent but coz she is very distantly related to the Baratheon line
Where did you hear that ?
Yeah but no one knows about Jon and no one can prove it. Also the Dragons will always be by Danys side even if there is another targaryen they'll still always favour their mum I think haha
The crown when to Cersei because by that point the Lannisters dropped the farce of them being anything but what they are and the show dropped the farce of pretending to be written good
You ever think of working with Martin and the wiki to do a Pottermore type web sight?
can you explain relation of various currencies to each other. for eg- honors to dragons or marks
I was born to rule the Seven Kingdoms and I will!
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Plz sir tell me whats is the role of CASTLE and how many lands a Noble house control
The Reach was far from neutral in the dance of Dragons, House Hightower were the key instigators.
TheNinjaDC Actually the Reach was neutral. The Bannermen of the Reach were split between the factions with some serving for Aegon and others for Rhaenyra, so House Tyrell chose not to get involved and the Reach stayed officially neutral, even though several of their houses continued to fight.
CivilizationEx
That is still not really neutral, but divided with the most active Reach forces being not just Greens, but the hearts of the Greens.
True but they don't represent the Reach, the Tyrells do.
At that time, the Tyrells controlled the Reach as well as Stannis does today. Sure, by law they rule over the territory(as king or high lord), but few actually give a *****.
The Tyrells really don't seem to rise to playable power until several generations of Redwyn & Hightower marriages, and a fall in the Hightower's power post Dance.
TheNinjaDC Again true, but they still represent the official position of the Reach, which is all I was trying to express in that graphic. I will go into more detail about the war once I make a vid about it.
Great vid as usual. Is it the Iron Bank exclusively that lends money throughout the known world? I know the Lannister house lends money as well but they in turn owe large sums to the Iron Bank. Does the Iron Bank simply hedge their bets on how world events will play out or do they have a more direct intent on shaping world events.
PB J I don't think it is exclusive, but the Iron Bank is by far the largest bank in the free cities (larger than the others combined), so when borrowing for a nation (like Kings and Princes would) they must need huge sums of money that only a place like the Iron Bank could provide. They are also known to support coups and usurpers when rulers fail to pay their debts. With the new rulers paying back the original loan plus interest. I assume that aid is financial only, but who knows, the details of how their bank works are secret, so maybe they hire faceless assassins or sellswords and have a hand in changing governments directly. But if that's the case I don't think it hasn't been revealed yet.
CivilizationEx You know, is it possible that Littlefinger's been collaborating with the Iron Bank this entire time? What if their ultimate endgame was not to put a specific person on the Iron Throne, but to hold the Iron Throne for ransom until the Seven Kingdoms finally paid its long overdue debt? (Even though I'm sure that I'm just voicing an unfounded hunch; I need to express it while I still remember) Anyway, Littlefinger's Braavosi heritage would seem to be a small hint to that direction, right?
Michael Shan I don't know if they were working together, but Littlefinger is definitely working a money angle. He was Master of Coin for years, and I personally do not believe King Robert put the Kingdom in that much debt. I think Littlefinger cause the kingdom to bleed coin on purpose, to put them in debt and destabilize the Kingdom. He may be working with the Braavosi Bank, but that I'm not sure about. His grandfather was from Braavos, I don't know if he has any direct connection there any more.
CivilizationEx After some even more thought on the topic of Littlefinger, I realized that there is a parallel between his "Baelish" surname and the legend of "Bael the Bard." Like Littlefinger, Bael too, had also crossed paths with a Brandon Stark. Both men eagerly desired the woman of their dreams; Littlefinger wanted Catelyn Tully, and Bael wanted Brandon's yet-to-be-named virgin daughter (referred to by Bael as "Winterfell's most beautiful flower"), the difference being that Bael succeeded and Littlefinger failed. I don't know if Littlefinger is aware of the parallel himself, but his life story so far seems to be an attempt to follow in Bael's footsteps. Littlefinger currently has Sansa under his guardianship, having his own version of "Winterfell's most beautiful flower" within his grasp.
Michael Shan Been watching Preston Jacobs?
How do 2nd names work in dorne
No mention of the Iron Islands & Gavelkind succession?
please do a focus about rickon stark
+Almotazx Altuwari I'll add it to the list. :)
whats your accent, man? its very interesting. good video also!
saint nigel I'm Canadian, but my background is Hispanic :)
and Dorne.
This indepth look on fantasy worlds would be great with the elder scrolls universe
***** I will be starting an Elder Scrolls Series later this year :)
CivilizationEx Fuck yes
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stormalands was big
and one of the most powerful as well
sadly house dorrandon got extinct
AAAHHH MATH WHAT HAVE I CLICKED!??!
So if a King was a only son died and had no sons or daughters could the title pass to his sister? If that sister had a son would it then skip over her and be given to the nephew.
and Dorne...
Was Matrilineal marriage allowed in any of the realms of Planetos? I suppose technically, the King could allow it, or maybe the high septon, but does anyone have a specific problem with it, perhaps?
It seems normal (more like expected) when the current ruler or heir is female. This is how houses like those in Dorn have stayed in power despite numerous female heirs. Additionally, the bastard son of the daughter-and only child- of a stark king was legitimized and became a Stark. The daughter of Lann the Clever also had a matrilineal marriage with a unnamed Andal prince/King (I can't remember which it was) and now all Lannisters claim dissent from Lann through the female line. So in Westeros at least I'm pretty sure it's at least not unheard of.
Yes ofc. For example in the 'Clash of Kings' (2nd book) there is a discussion in Winterfell about Hornwood widow whose son and husband died so there is no heir. One of the possible solutions was a 2nd or 3rd son from House Glover (not sure about this though, but some noble house is indeed mentioned) being willing to marry her and take up the Hornwood name.
Also the current Lannisters are in fact descendants of the original Lannisters only through female line...when Gerold III Lannister (who was King of the Rock) died without male issue there was a council who decided to crown Joffrey Lydden, husband of Gerold's daugther...he took up the Lannister name of his wife and was known as Joffrey Lannister. So basically the current Lannisters are in fact a cadet branch of House Lydden, vassals to Lannisters.
VintageLJ
Usually if a male heir isn't apparent. The Manderlys will likely have that marriage with Wyman's eldest granddaughter. Also, Tywin wanted Cersei to marry Willas (or Loras in show) and have sons to extend his line.
so in 4:45 we understand that john snow is the legitimate king of the iron throne not daenerys,because he is the son of prince rheagar
Hopefully Asshai/something is going to bring democracy to Westeros ^^
Well, Melisandre was educated in Asshai and believes that Stannis is the rightful king of Westeros, so that probably won't happen.
At least she could install a parliament were all the poor peasants get represented ^^
Oh yeah right...i forgot the only communication device is birds.
BravesSheet
Democracy is lame.
Democrazy leads to mob rule. Democrazy allows the uninformed and sensationalist masses to make important national and international decisions.
King Viserys I had decreed that his sole child / heir by his first wife Queen Emma Of House Arryn would be Queen after him. It was his second wife Queen Alicent Hightower and her father Ser Otto who named Aegon II as rightful heir despite what the King said. They started the civil war Dance of the Dragons, not Viserys I or Rhaenyra.
+Stark Avenger From their perspective maybe, but Viserys I violated pre-existing laws and councils that had decided already on the line of succession. So for many people it was Viserys who started the war or at least set things up for war, even if it wasn't his intention.
But in an absolutist monarchy like the Seven Kingdoms, the king's word IS the law. One could say that, as soon as Viserys determined that Rhaenyra was to be his heir, whatever decision the Great Council of 101 had was immediately nulified. In a system like the one in Westeros, the law of the land is whatever the monarch says is the law of the land (we see that in the show when Tommen prohibits the Trial by Combat), so, if Viserys said that Rhaenyra was to be Queen after him, that was the word of the king and that should have been the end of the matter.
@@MrConstantine02 Seven Kindoms is feudalist country not abslotistic monarhy.
didnt the great council of 233 just ignore law by naming egg as heir, maegor had a better claim
And dorne
Sir loves you videos and they are best, but the part of about Dance of Dragons with the law with succession it was not in stone yet during reign of King Viserys I, but the council was always pressing King Viserys I about it when his second wife had sons, but he said no my eldest daughter heir and that it. Prince Aegon stolen the crown from Princess Rhaenyra.
Sophia Wilson Actually the First Great Council decided that women could not inherit before men. That was in 101 AC, before the Reign of Viserys I. Viserys violated law and tradition by keeping Rhaenyra before Aegon.
CivilizationEx ok Civilization I going to look this up. But what the story of Queen that was never was?(Rhaenys) King Jaenerys I pick his grandson instead of her did the Council set the stupid at that time rule at that time?.
Sophia Wilson Yes, Rhaenys was the one who lost the right to the crown at the First Great Council.
There is still something about the line of succession I don't completely understand. Typically it goes from eldest to youngest simple enough. But what happens when a lord or king has multiple wives is it still oldest to youngest among all the children or is it oldest to youngest from wife #1 then wife #2 and so on?
It's always oldest to youngest, no matter how many wives. No matter if he has 2 sons with wife #1, or one son with wife #1 and one son with wife #2.
If wife #1 had two daughters, and wife #2 had a daughter and then a son, the son, despite being the youngest of all the children, and being born to the second wife, would inherit the title.
Now, if this guy got married again, and had two sons with wife #3, the line of succession would still follow through the line of the son of wife #2. The two sons of wife #3 can be adults, but as soon as the son of wife #2 has a baby boy, all the other siblings, male and female, despite being adults by this point, are no longer in the line of succession, even if the son of wife #2 dies before he officially inherits the title of Lord or King. The baby boy is still next in line. Someone would just take his place until he is deemed old enough to accept the title and responsibilities.
Only if there are no male direct descendedants of the Lord or King would a direct female descendant inherit the title, in which case it would be the oldest daughter (or granddaughter, assuming everyone but a couple of granddaughters are dead).
Now, say a king had two sons and one daughter. The firstborn son is in the line of succession, and he has a son. The son is next in the line of succession. Say the whole family dies except the king's daughter and the king's grandson, who was son of the crown Prince. The title would rightfully go to the grandson, even though the daughter is closer to the King in the direct line of descent. 1) he was in the line of succession. 2) He's still a direct descendant, and legally, the title always goes to a male heir before a female heir.
So, it isn't always oldest to youngest. Gender is more important than age when it comes to inheritance of lands and titles. Age only comes into account between sons, or if there are no sons, between daughters. And as soon as the oldest son (or daughter if there are no sons) starts having children, the line of succession is set.
The only case I am unsure of is what would happen if the eldest son, who is in the line of succession, has daughters, but dies before he has a son. Assuming he has brothers, would the title go to the next oldest brother, or would it go to his oldest daughter?
Based Dornish succession.
What happens if the king dies with no possible heirs?
Usually a council is held and the crown is offered to the nearest uncle, nephew or cousin. If there is absolutely no one in the immediate bloodline, you go back to the realms closest blood ties. For example Robert Baratheon technically did have a claim to the Iron Throne because his grandmother was a Targaryen. So is all the Targaryen had been wiped out by something else, the realm may have gone to the Baratheons for a new king anyway because of their blood ties to the monarchy. Or else it may have gone to another family with close ties like the Velaryons or Celtigars.
If Tommen dies and Daenerys immediately dies at the end of the story (assuming that they will not have children), who would sit on the Iron Throne?
fitch bit Whoever had the most soldiers lol, by that point no one will care about legitimacy. But one possibility is that one of Robert Baratheon's bastard sons might take the throne.
CivilizationEx I think the 7 Kingdoms might be better off separated lol.
fitch bit Very possible.
Why is it called the Reach?
Reach what? Richmond!
Now Imagine
Kingdom is 30 million in Debt
So how come cersei becomes queen and Jamie doesn't become king
In the show Cersei took the throne, she did not inherit it, the Lannisters were not in the line of succession, it was the Baratheon line which should have continued, or their closest relatives. Cersei took the throne through Right of Conquest.
+CivilizationEx ah makes sense, who do you want sitting the throne at the end?
***** In the books I want Aegon Targaryen as king and to have it revealed at the end he is secretly a blackfyre, Tyrion as Hand of the King, Varys as Master of Whispers, Illyrio Mopatis and Master of Coin, and Sam Tarly as Grand Maester.
In the books I want Aegon Targaryen as king and to have it revealed at the end he is secretly a blackfyre, Tyrion as Hand of the King, Varys as Master of Whispers, Illyrio Mopatis and Master of Coin, and Sam Tarly as Grand Maester.
yeah I never read the books, but i know about everything that has happened
The succession for the targaryans would be more Agnatic-Cognatic. If just Agnatic than a female would not be able to inherit.
A female can't, technically, the Council of 101 AC decided that a the throne could not pass to a woman or the descendant of a woman, although King Viserys I ignored that, it ended up causing a civil war and in the end, the his daughter was not considered a proper ruler of throne
As long as there is a male heir, a female can't inherit (legally speaking).
If it was between a King's grandson and the King's daughter, it'd go to the grandson. Especially if the grandson was born to the oldest son. Even after the oldest son's death, his son would still be in the line if succession over the King's daughter. In fact, this grandson would even be in the line of succession over his uncles if he had any.
Technically it's six kingdoms and one principality
+Luke Stevenson 7 kingdoms is named for the 7 kingdoms that existed before Aegon conquest. After the conquest those 7 kingdoms were split into 9 territories.
As song of rap and fire written by sugar daddy p aka p diddy aka diddy
So is the seven kingdoms based of the heptarchy?
yes
Partially. You can actually find influences from several historical periods throughout books. For example the current situation between the North and the Southern kingdoms is somewhat reflective of the relations between England and Scotland. The relations between Iron Isles and the North, reflective of Scotland proper relations with the Viking rulers and Kingdom/Lordship of the Isles, etc. The entire storyline during "Clash of Kings" especially being reflection and obviously inspired by the "Wars of the Roses", there are vague influences from other periods and historical events from Medieval Europe. It's a mish-mash of influences from various periods and events throughout history into one...plus dragons and dire wolves and so on.
Yes, although The Reach is more like France (or Plantagenat England) than any of the Anglo-Saxon Kingdoms, and Dorne is more like Spain.
Apart from that though, I'd say it's very similar; the Andals themselves being like the Anglo-Saxons.
The Seven Kingdoms existed even before the Targaryen (Norman) Conquest. Where it differentiates here is that the Heptarchy was Anglo-Saxon Period specific, whereas after the Targaryen Conquest the Seven Kingdoms still existed. England was only a Heptarchy for a period during the Anglo-Saxon period.
Fantasy elements aside, Westeros is clearly influenced from Early to Late Middle Ages Western Europe, most specifically England (and Britian in general to a lesser extent) and France.
so if Jon is a Targaryen he was ship Danny is ruling order
+Eddy Lindsey Jon would be considered a bastard for the Targaryen line as well and hence not the rightful successor.
+Rahul Gupta Unless Raghar married Lyanna while they were hiding, I thought someone mentioned a possible wedding on the Isle of Faces right after Lyanna's abduction?
+Brandon Pennington Still, only his line through Elina Martell would be considered legitimate. Although I don't see any reason why Jon can't be crowned. Robert himself claimed his right to the throne only because his house shares some Targaryen blood. So I think with sufficient support, anybody could be king or queen.
unless him an Lyanna were married Targaryens are know 2 have more than 1 wife look at the Blackfyre rebelion
+Eddy Lindsey The only other known decedent Targeryan would be Danny and seeing how John is male he would take precedent, that's if they were married in hiding. If you read the books the other one can't be verified.
Hmm Dorne=Spanish/Andalusian Wales?
Dothraki=Mongols
Dance of the Dragons=English Civil war between Empress Matilda & King Stephen
Story of ASoIaF=Wars of the Roses
The similarities continue. Martin had to draw from real sources. You can't just invent an entirely new world without drawing on real life history.
+DoctorWhoFan224 Dothraki could also be the Huns.
+daddyleon maybe, but the Mongols' traditions and customs more closely resemble those of the Dothraki, more than the Huns'.
+DoctorWhoFan224 Not sure that I get it. What do we know about the Huns that doesn't line up with the Dothraki? We know very little about the Huns.
+daddyleon I guess a case could be made for both.
So, if tommen dies cersei will be the rightful queen?
The first male relative.. so it would be Kevan Lannister. But since he is killed in ADOD.. Lancel. But since he is part of the faith millitant, he most likely won't. Offcourse Tommen is a bastard so the throne would go to Stannis. But his fate is uncertain too. In Kingslanding it would be either Cersei or Queen Maergery since the marriage is consumated. Then again, both are detained in some way. So nothing is really certain. Chaos reigns in Westeros.
the lannisters have no claim what so ever to the throne
If that happens (it already did in the show) then the throne is up for grabs. In fact the current situation with Cersei proclaiming herself as Queen regnant is somewhat reflective of the historical events that happened in early-mid 12th century England when the English kings of House of Normandy died off in male line and there was a great civil war between Matilda, daughter of Henry I (and his only legitimate child at the time of his death) and Stephen of Blois, a grandson of William the Conqueror. The issue was resolved with Stephen becoming the King of England for life, but Matilda's children with Geoffrey Plantagenet inheriting the crown after Stephen. That entire period of about 20 years was a period of great instability.
Only that is what inspired the Dance of the Dragons and not the current Asoiaf/GoT events.
strutter0505
Myrcella in books. Cersei is just a dowager at best. In the show, the throne rightfully belongs to Dany unless Rhaegar married Lyanna. Then the throne is rightfully Jon's.
However, Aegon is the rightful king of Westeros and all shall bow.
sansa is pregnant
tness93
Keep him/her and raise him/her as a Stark and give him/her the Dreadfort. Create House Stark of the Dreadfort. The ultimate insult.
Mikayel Dobrovolski CK2 fan here
I'm glad our money doesn't have naked ladies on it. I'd be embarrassed to buy anything. ;-)
Nicole Sowers lol :)
Can't pronounce "subterfuge"