ASOIAF: Religions (Westeros) - History of Westeros Series
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- The History of Westeros series continues with Religions (Westeros), exploring some of the major Faiths of the Continent. Based on the series A Song of Ice and Fire by George R R Martin.
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Religions Featured:
Old Gods 0:20 - 1:11
New Gods (The Seven) 1:12 - 2:00
Drowned God 2:01 - 3:05
The Red God R'hllor 3:06 - 4:11
The Mother Rhoyne 4:12 - 4:56
The Lord of the Skies and Lady of the Waves 4:57 - 5:16
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Ok so no one seems to bring this up but, the iron born are Cthulhu vikings and thats fucking awesome. If you look through some of the other side stuff mainly the black stones from the sky cults you see Cthulhu is all up in GOT.
Actually it's based on the Krakken, which comes from European mythology . Any correlation to Cthulu is just coincidence .
KingNazaru No it isn't. GRRM is a huge Lovecraft fan and Asoiaf contains a lot of references and easter eggs to Lovecraft.
KingNazaru there’s legit deep ones and horrific mermaids and women used for breeding with the deep ones called squishers, and the drowned god is the father of all deep ones
@@KingNazaru First of all. There is no such thing as "European mythology". Secondly Cthulhu is literature inspired by mythology and folklore among other things, they're not mutually exclusive.
@@wolfgangwestmark5107 Well technically yes there is European Mythology. The Krakken originated in Norse myth which comes from the European mythology. As for the Cthulhu mythos/Yogsothothary references, that was before I learned more about the Song of Ice and Fire universe and how George was inspired by Lovecraft’s eldritch and nihilistic stories. So that one was my bad.
There is only one god, and his name is Death. And there is only one thing we say to Death: "Not Today."
And He has only one name: George RR Martin.
Its probably Ice. It is a song of Ice and Fire, after all.
Soham Banerjee and there is only one thing we say to George RR Martin "when is the winds of winter coming out?"
Bill Kong
And George replies with "Okay, tomorrow!"
@@sohambanerjee6343 And he didn't come up with that line, David Benioff did.
Religions of Essos next please! (for the Westeros series) Loved this video :)
Next Sunday :)
What about the Storm Gods of the storm lands and the story of how Storm's End was built?
I talk about that in the Age of Heroes video, as for this one, there wasn't enough information about minor gods like that so I stuck to Major Religions.
CivilizationEx Is not the last religion you talked about, the faith of the three sisters, as minor and old?
Zuko Darkborn Yes, but there is more info about them.
I feel like the religions of the Iron Islands, the Sisters and the Stormlands (originally) are all very similar and probably versions of the actual religion First Men had before they adopted the Old Gods from the Children of the Forest
@@pedromenchik1961 And there were different sects. Im guessing the Ironborn and the Stormlands were in different sects, seeing as how they worshipped the opposite thing. The Three Sisters religion was probably also super similar to the Stormlands one.
In the book _A World of Ice & Fire_, on page 147, on the topic of wildlings, it is written _some accounts say that there are those who worship different gods: dark gods beneath the ground in the Frostfangs, gods of snow and ice on the Frozen Shore, or crab gods at Storrold's Point, but such has never been reliably confirmed._
Isachar Jones very cool :)
I thank you for your efforts CivilizationEx
Closgoncrazy You're welcome! :)
Duality is a strong theme of all the religions of this world? is it possible they are all the same two gods? Fire and Ice?
BrutticusForce Uh...yeah
I think so. I believe the whole song of ice and fire is about the final war and battle between the forces of ice (the Others) and fire (men).
Tom Bombadil That is extremely uncharacteristic for Martin. I think it’s more likely humanity and the others team up to defeat the greenseers and cotf
Great videos; they will save me a lot of time as I won't have to reread all the books again before the next one comes along :-)
:) That's exactly why we make them :)
Plenty of time left still, sadly.
Great videos, please, keep them coming.
Don't become like the other youtubers who tend to stop making videos after becoming famous.
Plenty more coming :)
Subscribed to this channe yester day, watched 2-3 videos, today started from 1st, still watching after 3 hours
:)
CivilizationEx hatsoff to you sir, great work.
im confused because in the show, elaria sand told jaime that in dorne nobody would've batted an eye to jaime and cersei's relationship.
Don’t trust anything that comes out of the mouths of anybody Dornish in the show, gods know D&D butchered that entire region except for Oberyn
Nice video once again!
All Hail the Crab King!
This is great! Are you gonna make a part II for the religions of Essos?
Already made, will release Next Sunday :)
Awesome!
I love how unlike Tolkiens Legendarium the mythological aspect of ASOIAF is left more ambiguous and up to interpretation of what is real, who is the true divine power, and who is a servant of The Great Other.
There is only one god. And, his name is Death. And, what do we say to Death?
NOT TODAY !
+saganist Oh what a day!
What a lovely day!
R GJ
Not Today
Not today
Today
just a bit of feedback: I think the background music needs to be quieter and also calmer, it is distracting
What if The Deep Ones were dwemer of Tamriel and west of Westeros is Akavir?
It seems The Old Gods Of The Forest are the only Gods worth worshipping in A Song Of Ice And Fire
Great explanation
In my opinion:
- The Old Gods religion resembles old European Celtic and Nordic Mythologies.
- The Faith of the Seven resembles Christianity.
- The Red God R'hllor probably resembles Islam.
R'hllor resembles Zoroastrianism more than anything.
*Fire is considered an important symbol in both religions
*Both faiths are dualistic with a good and evil god respectively
*Both have prophesies of a promised savior.
So, modern world religion equivalents:
- The Seven is Catholicism
- Rhillor/Fire is Protestantism
- The Old God’s in the trees is Pre Christian paganism?
Completely wrong.
Faith of the Seven: Catholic Christianity
Rh'llor: Zoroastrianism
Old Gods: ancient pagan religions in Europe
Drowned God: basically Lovecraft mythos
@karaqakkzl❤
Lord of Light give us fire, give us strength!
Do the Thenns, who apparently the most unchanged of the first men, not even changed by the migration to Westeros respects the Old Gods?
Great vid, but the music didn't fit
What about the Dothraki religion?
That will be featured in Next Sundays Video about the Religions of Essos
George R.R. martin made all that up
well someone has to make up gods? it's not like fictive figures make them selves, although religious extremists would say otherwise:P
Tripserpentine *Tips fedora*
It's amazing that unlike real world the polytheistic (such as... the seven, old gods) are Superior or major religion while monotheistic such as the great stallion (dothrakhi), lord of light (red priests and priestesses), many faced god (faceless assassins),etc are considered Minor and paganism or savagery.
This is quite interesting.
mohit singh chauhan I mean, the Seven is pretty monotheistic, it’s 7 aspects of one god
@@nevarraven9048 yeah the seven kind of works like the holy trinity and since essos is bigger than Westeros and the lord of light is there main religion monotheistic religions are most popular.
*cough* *cough* Yi Ti *cough* *cough*
But I always ask what does the lord of light look like
I have great respect for George RR Martin view on life, and his great talent as an artist. Nothing but respect.
But Martin - is anyone - should understand that violence and war is the way life works.
Mankind is a people who have tried to eradicate each other since the early morning. And removing religion will not change it.
To imagine a world where this was not so, where every crisis did not result in new atrocities, where every newspaper is not full of war and violence. Well, this is to imagine a world where human beings cease to be human.
Humans Are Genetically Predisposed to Kill Each Other
The rate of lethal violence is 7 times higher than the average for all mammals.
What are you saying here? Martin is a pacifist, he was a conscientious objector to Vietnam
This is a very strange and very poor take
I appreciate this breakdown. The religions are important but there are so many throughout the series it was hard to tell the difference
When arya saves Jaqen from burning, he tells her she owes the red god 3 lives. does that mean r'hllor is 1 face of the many faced god? It suggests the faceless men think that they are the same.
Yes, they believe all gods including the red god, the old gods, the 7, are all aspects of the one true god with many faces: Death.
CivilizationEx oh I didn't know they thought all were the same. Thanks for the quick reply and great job on your videos.
Thanks! :)
you need to do an update video
You forgot the Faceless men's god. Death
It says westeros religions
I wonder why GRRM seems to have made the red god the one that is "true" at least, it's the only one that seems to have real power and the one that seems to be driving the plot forward. We've got some pretty different red priests though so it's hard to tell what the red god actually wants.
+RainAngel111 I don't think any of the "gods" are real in his world, the red priests have power, but so do the Stark children, children of the forest, wildlings (skin changers) and others. Magic is real, the gods are probably not.
I like to think there probably is a higher power somewhere. Maybe the Old Gods are the true ones.
+CivilizationEx even the children believe in the gods tho that's the point of their trees right? Is everyone pretending or they just think their power comes from prayer? That whole many faced God stuff is meant to confirm in a god-human power granting deal in my opinion'
TheDelethar GRRM is a well known secularist, I think he is drawing a parallel between their world and our world, in both miraculous things sometimes happen, and because people at the time cannot explain it, they create religions around some form of mythology to try and understand it. In the world of Westeros, there is magic, that is 100% confirmed, we've all seen it, but we've seen no evidence that any of their gods actually exists. The voices people hear in the weirwood trees, are other beings like the children or bloodraven or bran, using magic to communicate through them. No higher power is involved as far as we can see. Bran can start believing in the Red God if he wants too but he would still have these same powers. Look at a man like Qyburn, he doesn't worship any of the faiths as far as we know, and through rituals and his knowledge of magic he was able to resurrect the Mountain. So I think all the religious stuff of these books is actually a trick by GRRM to make us think the gods are responsible, when really it is just different forms of magic, being associated with higher powers.
CivilizationEx still, the old gods have the most claim to being real.
as true as anything next to it
*on religion and magic*
*You can have functional magic and no real gods, yet casters can still believe in gods,* not like most of them are actually questioning were their gifts really come from. Because as far as they know or believe it is the blessings of the gods, whom are real to them. Until *some form of the "scientific method"* (observation, hypothesis, test, results, conclusion etc.) becomes *more widely accepted among spell casters,* magic shall remain the domain of the "gods" and old powers...
My second viewing. Thank you for this summary of the religions of Westeros. I believe George R. R. Martin described himself as a "lapsed Catholic. " He is the god of the World of Ice and Fire. However his faith has been strained over the years , I believe he is still grasping for the true, living, life-giving God of this world and all others.
Is your red priest Alester Sarwyck? Or am I just assuming that?
Axzack Good catch :)
CivilizationEx The thing about that is, I've never played the game!
Axzack lol, it's a fun game, I really liked it :)
CivilizationEx I watch my friend play it. Who'd you choses in the end Mors or Alester?
Mors, but I felt bad, I really liked Alester. He gave me a new appreciation for the Red Faith.
PAGANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lord of light! Come to us in our darkness, for the night is dark and full of terrors.
What about the many face god?
+Rome Blanchard He is talked about in part 2 about world religions
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is the mad king devoted to the lord of light ?
+Darryl Conte No he was a follower of the Faith of the Seven (though not devout)
if he converted to the lord of light early it would make sense that his burning people alive and still people would still see mad so what the hell.
+Darryl Conte when his love of fire became apparent, the red priest Thoros of Myr was sent to convert Aerys, but somehow he failed and Aerys stuck with the seven (I have no idea how he failed because Aerys was an insanely easy target who loved fire and didn't give a shit for consequence)
+Prince of Chetarria I would say he believed fire to be his, and his alone.
+Prince of Chetarria no toros of myr war send to convert King robert ti one e scene mellisandre speak to toros about the conversión of King robert
Let the priests choose what is good and evil, I'm giving them a choice, live in my new world or die in the old one.
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Stfu, shouldnt have burned Kings Landing
what faith do the wildlings have?
+henk de vries They worship the Old Gods, same as the Starks and the North.
They are pure First Men descendants, they worship the Old Gods. I wonder what the first men used to worship before the migration to Westeros?
henk de vries Depends on the group. The Thenns worship their leaders, the cave dwellers worship some cave monsters, Crasher worships the Others, but a majority of them believe in the Old Gods, if not a bit more orthodox than the starks
The Drowned God is Poseidon from God of War ascension and the lord os the skies is Zeus.
+SuperKratosgamer Nah, the Drowned God is Cthulhu.
One Nerd95 I was talking about his artwork.
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SuperKratosgamer Ah, my mistake.
One Nerd95 No problem, your comment does makes sense.
SuperKratosgamer Yeah, I was referring to how many Lovecraft references the Iron Islands have. ("What is dead my never die", Several Ironmen having the name Dagon, etc.)
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+Stannis The Mannis Baratheon Why do you always say that?
It's my watermark
Watermark?
Certified bruh moment
Bruh!
*hits blunt* ?
Does anyone think he sounds like nazim for skyrim dark brother hood
um......,.. mayyyyyyyyyybe...
Wolfiee Elia He kinda some like him from time to time but not that often.
Sheepboss Gaming his voice did remind me of someone, but I forgot who.
Well Wolfiee Elia a lot of people do sound like him.
I guess, I just haven't heard a lot of people who sound like him though.
WHERE IS THE HARPY!!!!!!!
It's religions of Westeros. The Harpy is only worshipped in Slaver's Bay. A video on the other religions of Essos would be huge.
Why do people assume that the Lord of Light is good? Lol Melissandra and Stanis did His will and used His magic by using sex magic (evil occult practice) on stanis with the shadow baby, blood magic (evil occult practice) with gendry, child sacrifice by burning stanis's daughter alive (evil occult practice) and other evil things. And The Lord of light's theme music is freaking evil and dark lmao TH-cam his song!
Are people seriously assuming the great other is bad and R'hllor is good because his name says light in it?? Fools! Lol
In the real world we name evil things with good names to trick people as well. Like "pro choice".
Just about every religion in ASoIaF has some pretty screwed up practices, or have done some messed up and dumb things.
Old Gods of the Forest: sacrificed people to weirwoods viscerally.
The Seven: Andals invaded Westeros, and sluaghtered countless First Men and Children of the Forest out of fanaticism.
Drowned God: Literally wants his people to rape and plunder.
Lord of Light: Burns people alive.
Many-Faced God: A freaking death cult.
Needless to say, its intentionally meant to be grey areas.
It's also a parallel to real world religions. In Christianity and Islam, God and Allah are considered to be the good guys, but they have a pretty bad streak, and have some fucked up passages.
all of that gods is not true the only true god is what between in womens legs
One has given us demon assassins, resurrection and prophecies that uphold till this point in the series.
Another has given us Security Camera trees, Ability to warg into animals and telling of another race of people who practice very powerful magic
The others have yet to do jack sh*t.
some guy 1
Never underestimate the power of faith...many have, many *have paid for their hubris in blood.* What is a mere caster of spells to the sheer conviction of a true believer in a cause, NOTHING.
Great video man keep them up!
Thanks!
oh shit, I now just realized Jon Snow is the prophet of the lord of light.
Way to keep up
"Ask me whatever you like."
"The gods. Are they real?"
"Yes and no."
"What the hell that supposed to mean!?"
"The so called 'Gods' that the people worship are real but they aren't exactly gods."
"The Seven?"
"The Seven are nothing but concepts. They were created by the andals in order to give the people something to worship.
"What?"
"Everyone worships something, your uncle Stannis worships duty, your father worships battle, Ned stark worships honor and your mother worships power. The seven is basically something for people to worship, you can't live without believing in something. And belief is a form of worship."
"The Old Gods?"
"You already met one, he even gave you a sword."
"Wait what? The Bloodraven is a old god?"
"No. Brynden Rivers died decades ago, that thing using his body is what you could call a old god."
"I don't understand."
"There are many things you will never fully understand Raziel. Any other question?"
"The drowned god?"
"HAHAHAHA!. That thing is not a god, is a creature and is getting pretty paranoid lately. I guess he realised that It's days are numbered."
"What?"
"I can't tell you, but don't worry. You and you're friend Theon will be there to watch it die."
"R'hllor's?"
"He's not a god, He's a Demon and he has a pretty strange interest in you."
"What do you mean?"
"Remember when Melisandre said that you were beautiful to her? There's a strange aura surrounding you and I suspect it was his doing."
Love your videos. Keep them coming!
This is a different voice! How many are there of you guys?
I think the faith of R'hllor looks like Islam (Shi'ism) since in this stream of Islam there is also a prophecy of the return of the Mehdi saving the world etc etc. Looks like the Azor Ahai prophecy
Old gods are the true gods
The only true God is Man himself.
losing my religion
It's hilarious that incest was seen as terrible but I guess they made exceptions for the Targaryens.
And the many faces god?
Many faced god
What do the different religions believe about life after death? The Faith of R'hllor and The Old Gods doesn't seem to have any beliefs concerning the afterlife. People who have been resurrected claim that there isn't anything after death and that what is waiting us is "nothing"
or maybe, once they are brought back, it's a case of forgetting literally everything that was there?
+Spiderkillers, Inc it's more probable that in their world there in fact is just nothing after death, I only say that because even in the real world people have a multitude of crazy story's of what happened when they died and came back and all sorts of things but not in this world and that's made clear for a reason, even gods having power that men can use like the many faced God and that flaming sword or red priestess powers is clear because everyone's always saying they don't have power, their gods will their desires to be
Spiderkillers, Inc I think that would make some sense, since if there really was nothing then how come they remember that there was nothing? If their consciousness ceased to be, then how can they remember the nothing?
But seeing how the show is so anti-religious (the books not being too keen on them either), it would make sense for atheism to be true.
However, that doesn't answer what these faiths BELIEVE happens after you die.
***** You know, the only religion really cast in a good light is the old gods. So simple really.
With the Seven, they are alright overall, but those damned sparrows.
The drowned god drowns people.
R'Hollar is a douchebag.
I may be wrong but this how I see it. Originally, the seven gods were just humans and seven humans will replace them: Jon is the Father, Daeneris is the Mother, Sansa is the Maid, Lady Olenna (the thorns queen) is the Crone, Lady Brienne is the warrior, Gendry is the Smith and Arya is theStranger. Together, they will have to face the white walkers to save the seven kingdoms. "Seven" has always been a magical number. But what about Sam? He's very important too. He keeps reading and he learns things the others don't know.
Tyrion and Sam are important characters for sure. Bran is an important character but he's already the three-eyed crow. And he knows about Jon now. How are they going to reach the wall before the dead swarm in? I can't wait for season 7 to see what's next!
If I lived in westaros I would still follow Jesus Christ for he is the only truth, the only light
Lord AristoCat um ok
My unerstanding is pretty much-
Faith of the Seven = Christianity?
The Faith ofR'hllor = Islam?
Old Gods = Judaism?
The old gods are definitely Celtic druids
How ever I do agree with Christian/Islam comparisons Christianity has a heavy emphasis on aspects of one God and Islam is leans towards One God One Savior and A Prophet.
The Old Gods = Druidic spirits
The Faith of the Seven = Roman Catholic Christianity
Drowned God = monotheistic Asatru (Old Norse Gods [Odin, Thor, and Loki])
R'hllor = Zoroastrianism
Many-Faced God = ?
I always thought of R'hllor as Christianity. I mean it is in some ways, so is the Faith of the Seven. It is a parallel to the Holy Trinity, Three and One. Seven and One.
Old gods relate to religions like Hinduism which is the oldest surviving religion of the world.
The faith of the Seven relates to Christianity.
And The faith of R'hllor to Islam.