Argothian wurm would not be great in standard by today's standards, but it was actually good back in the day and there are wayyyyyyyyy worse cards than the wurm, not just 9 worse cards
I don't think the wurm was ever good. If you ever play it from behind your basicly locking yourself out of the game. It would be okay if it went back to your hand. But getting put back on top is a deal breaker.
Argothian Wurm cannot be in the top ten. It is insanely good in draft. I know everyone is Commander 4FFA Brained these days, but a Trample 6/6 for 4 Mana is very good. If your opponent blows up a land, just play it again next turn. All your opponent is doing by repeatedly returning it to your hand is ruining their own tempo.
huge agree. people don’t see the casual fun of some cards. a single piece of land destruction or bolting a mana dork on the lead up to playing the wurm is a deadly combo, especially in green where you’re playing this turn 3 easily
This is the same channel that called Magical Hack the worst card in Alpha and mispronounces card names on purpose. Says ridiculous things to generate annoyed comments.
Mark Rosewater has said in the past that there was a period of time when R&D would deliberately design bad cards with the idea that players would feel smart for recognizing them as bad and passing on them when drafting.
@@fernandobanda5734 It's a game piece that never gets used. That's like printing extra Chess pieces in every Chess set that you just set to the side and never actually play with. The 2 in a Poker set can be used in multiple ways, and in multiple games-Poker, Go-Fish, Blackjack, etc. A card designed exclusively to be bad and to be passed up on is not intended to be used.
Argothian Wurm being on this list makes me wonder if you are intentionally trying to stir the pot? Is it a great card? No, especially when compared to today's state of power creep. But is it among the top 10 worst green cards? In a color that can accelerate mana and make the choice extremely one-sided, no way. Much rather have this than Root Cage, Bountiful Harvest, among others.
What strikes me most about Green's bad cards is not only are they probably the worst of the bunch, but they're also the most *boring.* Like, sure, Break Open is a card that only helps your opponent so there's no reason to ever use it, but it hints at an exciting idea of a card. The most interesting thing on this list was Cocoon and that was "play on turn 2 and then wait until turn 6 for a card you could have played on turn 3." And this isn't even getting into the cards that mention retired mechanics like Horsemanship like Taoist Mystic*. Bleh Edit: said Taoist Monk by mistake originally
@@TheUnspeakeable *Taoist Mystic. My bad on that. It's (2)(G), 2/2, and can't be blocked by creatures with Horsemanship, a defunct keyword that was mechanically the same as flying.
Another big downside to the Mwonvuli Ooze is that it's a 1 cost, but has a cumulative upkeep of 2, so if you play it on turn 1 you won't be able to pay the upkeep on turn 2 and that pretty much kills the use case for the card
Splintering Wind has found a home in my Dinosaur Enrage deck. There are probably better cards to have in that deck, but nobody expects me to play a green cumulative upkeep Enchantment that creates flying creatures that explode. I love it.
Probably because someone else wrote the script with auto complete on and the narrator doesn't have enough knowledge of the game to realize the name is wrong 😂🤣
3:30 Fog may be a weak card, but I've learned to respect it at least a little bit because you can imprint it on an Isochron Scepter and make it so your opponent cannot ever use his battle phase to threaten you in any meaningful way until they can deal with the scepter. Far from the best use of the scepter, but it is a shutdown in some niche cases. If you rely on your creatures to win and you can't deal with the scepter, you might as well scoop if a fog is imprinted on it. Haven't seen a scepter being used this way in a long time, but I was once the noob that fell into the imprinted fog trap, so the mental scars remain, lol.
Had an Azorius Scepter deck back in the day, but instead of Fog, it was Holy Day, which does the same thing. Beat an oppressive infect deck in a tourny by just ignoring his combat step, and protected the Fog-Scepter with a Counterspell-Scepter. Against the right deck, it's a death knell.
Here's how I'd fix Wood Elemental to be at least somewhat playable nowadays: 1. Allow sacrificing any Forests, not just untapped ones. (Including nonbasic lands that have the Forest subtype, such as Breeding Pool and Canopy Vista.) 2. Give it vigilance and reach. 3. Allow it to tap for an amount of green mana equal to either its power or toughness. 4. When Wood Elemental leaves the battlefield, return all Forests from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped. So, is this still too weak? Or too strong? Or just about right for playability and fairness?
Maybe instead of all Forests from the graveyard, the ones used for it are exiled, and you only get those specific ones back? Wouldn't make that much of a difference in most games, I suppose.
Still bad. Dungrove Elder costs one less, has hexproof (which arguably more relevant than vigilance+reach), continues to grow as you play more Forests, doesn't restrict how you spend that mana later (your version forces you to tap once so you can't divide the mana between phases), and doesn't make other copies terrible.
@@fernandobanda5734 Alright, so maybe have Wood Elemental's stats be equal to twice the number of Forests sacrificed. Or, have Wood Elemental start with base 4/4 stats, and get a +1/+1 counter for each Forest sacrificed.
@@SomeGuy712x With the later change, it is a use for spare forests. Though a question should be why you don't have a better use and/or why you are depending on your opponent to let you survive long enough (and you are letting your opponent survive long enough) that this is relevant. The former is a bit tougher to analyze, though it still has the problem that anything tap-locking it effectively denies you the creature /and/ a good chunk of mana. I think a simple, much stronger version than the original might be just making it a slightly weak (3/3 for 4 mana?) creature with no initial sacrifice cost, and the ability (1): sacrifice a forest to give this creature a +1/+1 counter. Then you can have it as a potential growing threat at any time. Also, you could consider having more than 1 in play at a time. That said, I am still underconvinced that this is worthwhile; merely that it is far better than the original card.
Have an idea for a series you could do. Top cards of a color that act like another color. Example: Top 10 green cards with blue card effects. Example cards, counterspells, bounce, scry and draw, etc. There are plenty of cards out there that act like a different color would usually do. Like that blue card that deals damage to target creature or player. I know time spiral... time shift? One of those had a lot of those gimmicks, but its not the only place we see them. I like this idea because it can introduce cards to people that they normally wouldn't think are in their color choices for a deck.
So what? Anny other threat can still do that and doesn't give your opponent a choice. Your paying 4 mana and skipping a draw for the ability to let your opponent sacrifice a land. That is god damm awfull. Not to mention 6 as a stat block for a life race does not even matter it's still 4 swings the same as 5.
@scheikundeiscool4086 there is a reason why it sees play in pre modern land destruction. When you opponents don't have the land to spare it is a win con. There are so many green cards that see play in no formats at all that were not included in this list
Agreed. It's definitely bad, *even* for an off-color version, but once in a blue moon it *might* actually win you the game. Which is more than can be said for some of the cards that are below it on the list
4:50 remora (plural remora or remorae or remoras) 1) Any of various elongate fish from the family Echeneidae, the dorsal fin of which is in the form of a suction disc that can take a firm hold against the skin of larger marine animals. 2) (heraldry) A serpent. 3) (obsolete) A delay; a hindrance, an obstacle. 4) (obsolete, surgery) A surgical instrument, intended to retain parts in their places.
Wood Elemental could cost G, be able to sacrifice tapped Forests, and get +2/+2 for each, and it would still be nearly unplayable. As printed, it's the worst creature of all time, and nothing comes particularly close.
Wurm's hardly the best creature ever printed but absolutely wild to act like it's this bad, it's a perfectly reasonable top end to a green aggro deck at the time. Like it's reasonable to say it's a win more card because it's much stronger when we're talking about closing out a position where you're ahead but uh there are many substantially worse green cards than this. EDIT: Bare minimum there's the future sight or w/e creature with zero printed toughness.
The ideal use for banding defensively would be something like a 0/8 wall and a 1/1 deathtoucher. Together, they can band and take out a 7/7 without you losing anyone. Then again, you could also just use Doran or Assault Formation to make the 0/8 manage on its own...
Argothian Wurm? Huh? I would argue that Mungha wurm is far worse. Hell there are even worse green cards like Cocoon. Edit: Cocoon is on the list. So ill go with Brushwagg.
You could do way worse than a 3 mana 1/4 that (comically) has an upside in that you can use its higher power for fling and such. And I suppose theoretically if your opponent had multiple combat phases it would be somewhat resilient
So one thing this video overlooked with shelkin brownie is removing bands with others from the wolves will never actually work, as you need 2 of that wolf which both already have band with others for them to band anyway and removing only one instance of bands with others wont stop them from banding.
Wait, so Wood Elemental has you sacrifice as it enters, not as a triggered ability. That is ... all sorts of weird, right? Like, you can get rid of a bunch of your lands without using the stack. Now I want to slot this absolutely attrocious card into my Azusa Primal Surge deck just to add weirdass interactions to the board.
My childhood feels hurt lol, I loved cocoon and would cast it regularly. Please know that is when I was a young teen and we played with our entire collections of cards in one great library! Man a turn 7 3/3 pearled unicorn with flying put allot of work in back in those days lol
It is unironically better. Mungha wurm at least actually develops your board and can be an okay-ish body. Argothian wurm is a 4-mana stone rain except even worse than that sounds. It is awful
@@yuuumtheepic4118 Back then Green/Red Ponza was a deck, and Argothian Wurm was an endless supply of land destruction or a game winning threat depending when you Wildfire
@@DotGamesLive you're still going down a card every time you use it, and remember that you give your opponent the choice. If they have a terror, then your wurm sucks. If they can go under your wurm, it sucks. Otherwise they can tuck it away, make you go down a large chunk of mana and a card while they just beat you to death or search for an answer. An over-costed stone rain that's even worse than that because it also gives your opponent a choice of what they can deal with best
@@yuuumtheepic4118 No, you don't go down a card. It's a 1 for 1 trade. It's also not a "4-mana stone rain". It was played in a deck that already played land destruction, so sacking a land on turn 4 was realistically not an option. Just the fact that is saw competitive play in some ponza decks alone should make it obvious that it's not one of the worst cards, not even close. The most cards never make it into a competitive deck.
There are uses for the occasional banding creature on attack (Lure effects mainly) But yeah, I don't think I would play any creatures that naturally have banding unless I simply wanted to. That said, one of the artifacts that can give banding could be useful - you can even politic with it by giving someone else's stuff banding.
@@yuuumtheepic4118 It is not just a stone rain, it's a recurring stone rain or you get a 6/6 trample beatstick if they can't or won't sack a land. It can absolutely shut down some people who sack lands to it when they shouldn't and if they don't well it's a 6/6 trample for 4.
@@dark_rit a card being recurring doesn't make it good on its own, that's only true if it can help generate card advantage. Every time you play the wurm you still have to pay the full card's worth for it, while your opponent just beats you to death with whatever they have on board
Untill the mirage set, green was the most useles color. It was all about making lots of mana and using big creatures, had no removal cards and couldn't deal damage. It was basically expected to build lots of mana with elves and other stuff and then put on the field some monster.
I ran Argothian Wurm in Armegedon. Not sure if that was before or after Ernhams got traded out for Nettletooths, but it was a good 2 of secondary threat to cast after the Armegedon. I think Stream of Life is inferior to Taste of Paradise. Sure, you can cast Stream of Life for 1 or 2, but the only value in either card is bigger late game life gain and Taste is equal to or superior life gain for the mana.
The 1st one looks like it could be a decent "damned if you do, damned if you don't" kinda thing. Not nearly as good as the one ring(god, I fucking hate that card), but fucking with the mana base is always appreciated lol
That's not . . . how you use banding on defense still, nor what people were saying about it. Blocking requires only one creature with banding, and it can band with any number. Then you assign the damage. But the thing with how banding works is you assign each individual point, you don't have to assign lethal. so if you block with a band of 2/2s, you can assign 1 point of damage to each of them and not lose any. additionally, back when banding was a thing, spot removal was not nearly as prevalent as it is today, neither was the go wide strategy (white was the primary go wide color, and it was also the color with banding). You really only had to worry about Terror and Lightning Bolt back then. So if your opponent wasn't in red or black, you didn't really need to worry about the creature with banding getting removed.
There are so many green cards that are truly unplayable. Argothian Wurm is not one of them. Its very strong in limited and sees plenty of play in pre-modern land destruction. Sure, it's niche, but there are plenty of other green cards that are bad in limited and see no play in condtructed formats.
i kinda wish the number 1 would have been put at number 11 as unhonorable mention. just because every list ever has it on it and its no surprise. just get it out the way at the beginning, so we can be intrigued what the new number 1 would be.
Argothian wurm is an absolute banger in a edh xenigos deck. If someone wants to put themselves behind a land to screw me let them lol Ill just cast it again next turn
Wurm is great. In green Landdestruction it is best creature. And oh my. Green land destruction was insanely good deck then. People didn’t want to play with me 😀
Re Argothian Wurm: if you are ending your description of a card with "this isn't completely garbage all the time"... Then it doesn't belong on a list of the worst cards in a color. There are definitely ten cards that ARE completely garbage all the time.
Hang on. Wood Elemental calls for you to 'sacrifice any number of untapped Forests.' Maybe my complete lack of any actual MTG knowledge is showing, but doesn't that not specify whose Forests you sac? Couldn't you use it as a niche Green hate cared, and sac your opponents lands for a body on your side of the field?
A player can only sacrifice permanents that they control. A card that says "target player sacrifices a creature" makes the targeted player do the sacrificing, so they get rid of one of their dudes. A card that says "when this enters the battlefield sacrifice a creature" refers to its controller doing the sacrificing, so if you play it you would sacrifice one of your dudes (assuming you have any). You can never sacrifice anyone else's permanents. There are effects that make other people sacrifice things. Wood Elemental is not one of them.
You would need to control your opponent's lands to do so. That may be possible (I have not searched a database), but that is a combination just to destroy some land.
I run one in a saproling deck with Life and Limb just for fun. No one respects a giant fatty that has a huge cost associated with it until you give it flying, trample, or make it fight everything.
I dont think Trailblazer is a great card but it doesnt deserve to be on a list like this, you fail to take in that it is a mono green card with an effect that monogreen doesnt get very often, you said the going rate for making a creature unblockable was 1 or 2 but thats really only in blue. It makes it less "bad" when there are fewer cards that fit the specific niche of "effects in my color"
It doesn't matter if it's exclusive if it's that bad. For the same mana, you get Rogue's Passage in colorless, and that one is repeatable and is a land.
@@fernandobanda5734 Still a pretty poor evaluation when considering one was made in 1995 and the other in 2012. It's a perfectly playable game-ending card that also isn't subject to land removal. For that reason alone they're not very comparable as well.
@@komradekontroll Unless we're talking about an old format, it doesn't matter when cards were printed when comparing power. I picked the land because it's a very direct comparison, not because it was fair for its time (because it never was) and using "green never gets this" as a justification is not applicable when the card is (and always has been) so bad.
alr some of these are goods points but like your discarding the fact that in some cases alot of these cards are actually useful, just depends on the situation or what deck your playing them in(also respectfully fuck you fog is the greatest card)
Trailblazer does something green usually don't do, making it more of a "out of nowhere" surprise. Not sure why you demoting this fine combat trick in green like that. It does what it needs to do just fine.
It's not a combat trick. It's evasion. And "unusual in green" or not, it's just super overcosted. For that cost you could be giving like +5/+5 and trample AND that would actually be a combat trick.
@@fernandobanda5734 It does not need to be "max efficiency" to be a decent card. There are numbers between 0 and 100 after all. I, for instance, use said card in Molimo EDH deck.
@@kunopumpernikkel215 It's not a decent card. It's not even a bad card. It's horrendous. I never implied that anything that wasn't the best was bad. +5/+5 and trample, or Might of Oaks are not top cards either. You can use any card you like, that doesn't make it good. And especially Commander is a terrible measurement of power because the format is inherently casual and non-standardized and it has a lot of unwritten social rules. But even if you do, how many people are playing this in Commander?
Yeah banding was removed because 1) too complicated for people at the time with no internet in 1994 and then it never came back once limited became a format because it is broken in limited. Combat math in limited is already rough, but try blocking in 2024 if someone attacks with a 3/3 with banding and some other moderately sized creature. It's pretty dumb there.
I hate that I keep randomly getting suggested these videos no matter how many times I tell TH-cam to stop recommending them. Your WoW stuff is decent, but your Magic takes are just terrible
Argothian wurm would not be great in standard by today's standards, but it was actually good back in the day and there are wayyyyyyyyy worse cards than the wurm, not just 9 worse cards
I don't think the wurm was ever good. If you ever play it from behind your basicly locking yourself out of the game. It would be okay if it went back to your hand. But getting put back on top is a deal breaker.
Argothian Wurm cannot be in the top ten. It is insanely good in draft. I know everyone is Commander 4FFA Brained these days, but a Trample 6/6 for 4 Mana is very good. If your opponent blows up a land, just play it again next turn. All your opponent is doing by repeatedly returning it to your hand is ruining their own tempo.
In addition, a red green land burn deck in urza block was hard to beat if build right
huge agree. people don’t see the casual fun of some cards. a single piece of land destruction or bolting a mana dork on the lead up to playing the wurm is a deadly combo, especially in green where you’re playing this turn 3 easily
@@jay_344 I stopped watching, this list seems a bit one dimensional
I ran it in my legacy LD over 15 years ago. It and Terravore were the wincons
This is the same channel that called Magical Hack the worst card in Alpha and mispronounces card names on purpose. Says ridiculous things to generate annoyed comments.
Mark Rosewater has said in the past that there was a period of time when R&D would deliberately design bad cards with the idea that players would feel smart for recognizing them as bad and passing on them when drafting.
They still do this.
AKA: a waste of paper, time, resources, and money.
@@Sanguivore It's a game piece. Is a 2 in Poker a waste of paper and resources?
@@fernandobanda5734 It's a game piece that never gets used. That's like printing extra Chess pieces in every Chess set that you just set to the side and never actually play with. The 2 in a Poker set can be used in multiple ways, and in multiple games-Poker, Go-Fish, Blackjack, etc. A card designed exclusively to be bad and to be passed up on is not intended to be used.
@@fernandobanda5734Wut? How did you think that was a good point?
4:00 i can't even pay attention to the card my mind is just going "monkey pog monkey pog"
I would pay Twitch money to have that instead of the stupid raptor as the new PogChamp.
Argothian Wurm being on this list makes me wonder if you are intentionally trying to stir the pot? Is it a great card? No, especially when compared to today's state of power creep. But is it among the top 10 worst green cards? In a color that can accelerate mana and make the choice extremely one-sided, no way. Much rather have this than Root Cage, Bountiful Harvest, among others.
Funny fact : Cocoon is also one of worst cards in Yugioh.
I, too, thought of Ultimate Great Moth the moment I saw it
I believe he covered that one on his Insect list on his YGO! channel.
What strikes me most about Green's bad cards is not only are they probably the worst of the bunch, but they're also the most *boring.* Like, sure, Break Open is a card that only helps your opponent so there's no reason to ever use it, but it hints at an exciting idea of a card. The most interesting thing on this list was Cocoon and that was "play on turn 2 and then wait until turn 6 for a card you could have played on turn 3."
And this isn't even getting into the cards that mention retired mechanics like Horsemanship like Taoist Mystic*. Bleh
Edit: said Taoist Monk by mistake originally
I think that's why Mono-Gresn has never really appealed to me. A lot of "boring" cards in Mono-Green.
What was Taoist monk?
@@TheUnspeakeable *Taoist Mystic. My bad on that. It's (2)(G), 2/2, and can't be blocked by creatures with Horsemanship, a defunct keyword that was mechanically the same as flying.
Another big downside to the Mwonvuli Ooze is that it's a 1 cost, but has a cumulative upkeep of 2, so if you play it on turn 1 you won't be able to pay the upkeep on turn 2 and that pretty much kills the use case for the card
Whats sad is just the addition of one mechanic, trample, makes this at least playable.
Splintering Wind has found a home in my Dinosaur Enrage deck. There are probably better cards to have in that deck, but nobody expects me to play a green cumulative upkeep Enchantment that creates flying creatures that explode. I love it.
"Hey, let's beat up on ancient cards by comparing them to all these modern, power-creeped cards"
mystic remove got me
Probably because someone else wrote the script with auto complete on and the narrator doesn't have enough knowledge of the game to realize the name is wrong 😂🤣
Cumulacative uokeep
I remember being a baby mtg player who had cocoon in my green decks, because it allowed my big green creatures to fly. Eventually.
It's kind of funny that both early Yu-gi-oh and Magic made really bad chrysalis based cards that take way too long to do way too little.
Ice age, alliances, homelands...it's no coincidence that some of the worst cards are found in some of the worst blocks.
Forgotten Empires was pretty bad too.
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Fog may be a weak card, but I've learned to respect it at least a little bit because you can imprint it on an Isochron Scepter and make it so your opponent cannot ever use his battle phase to threaten you in any meaningful way until they can deal with the scepter. Far from the best use of the scepter, but it is a shutdown in some niche cases. If you rely on your creatures to win and you can't deal with the scepter, you might as well scoop if a fog is imprinted on it.
Haven't seen a scepter being used this way in a long time, but I was once the noob that fell into the imprinted fog trap, so the mental scars remain, lol.
Had an Azorius Scepter deck back in the day, but instead of Fog, it was Holy Day, which does the same thing.
Beat an oppressive infect deck in a tourny by just ignoring his combat step, and protected the Fog-Scepter with a Counterspell-Scepter. Against the right deck, it's a death knell.
Here's how I'd fix Wood Elemental to be at least somewhat playable nowadays:
1. Allow sacrificing any Forests, not just untapped ones. (Including nonbasic lands that have the Forest subtype, such as Breeding Pool and Canopy Vista.)
2. Give it vigilance and reach.
3. Allow it to tap for an amount of green mana equal to either its power or toughness.
4. When Wood Elemental leaves the battlefield, return all Forests from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped.
So, is this still too weak? Or too strong? Or just about right for playability and fairness?
Maybe instead of all Forests from the graveyard, the ones used for it are exiled, and you only get those specific ones back? Wouldn't make that much of a difference in most games, I suppose.
Still bad. Dungrove Elder costs one less, has hexproof (which arguably more relevant than vigilance+reach), continues to grow as you play more Forests, doesn't restrict how you spend that mana later (your version forces you to tap once so you can't divide the mana between phases), and doesn't make other copies terrible.
@@fernandobanda5734
Alright, so maybe have Wood Elemental's stats be equal to twice the number of Forests sacrificed. Or, have Wood Elemental start with base 4/4 stats, and get a +1/+1 counter for each Forest sacrificed.
Seems weak to me, though arguably playable in a weak deck. That said, anything that keeps it tapped paralyzes a large portion of your effective power.
@@SomeGuy712x With the later change, it is a use for spare forests. Though a question should be why you don't have a better use and/or why you are depending on your opponent to let you survive long enough (and you are letting your opponent survive long enough) that this is relevant. The former is a bit tougher to analyze, though it still has the problem that anything tap-locking it effectively denies you the creature /and/ a good chunk of mana.
I think a simple, much stronger version than the original might be just making it a slightly weak (3/3 for 4 mana?) creature with no initial sacrifice cost, and the ability (1): sacrifice a forest to give this creature a +1/+1 counter.
Then you can have it as a potential growing threat at any time. Also, you could consider having more than 1 in play at a time. That said, I am still underconvinced that this is worthwhile; merely that it is far better than the original card.
Have an idea for a series you could do.
Top cards of a color that act like another color.
Example:
Top 10 green cards with blue card effects.
Example cards, counterspells, bounce, scry and draw, etc.
There are plenty of cards out there that act like a different color would usually do. Like that blue card that deals damage to target creature or player. I know time spiral... time shift? One of those had a lot of those gimmicks, but its not the only place we see them.
I like this idea because it can introduce cards to people that they normally wouldn't think are in their color choices for a deck.
Argothian is meant to be mana-dorked out- you draw it, you play mana dorks, you try and get it out ASAP before your target has the land to spare.
So what? Anny other threat can still do that and doesn't give your opponent a choice. Your paying 4 mana and skipping a draw for the ability to let your opponent sacrifice a land. That is god damm awfull. Not to mention 6 as a stat block for a life race does not even matter it's still 4 swings the same as 5.
@scheikundeiscool4086 there is a reason why it sees play in pre modern land destruction. When you opponents don't have the land to spare it is a win con. There are so many green cards that see play in no formats at all that were not included in this list
Wurm with sleight of mind and a way to blink would be crazy.
What does Sleight of Mind even do for Wurm
I completely forgot magic can make any creature the perfectly ultimate great moth
I found a use for Wood Elemental in a Titania deck, which wants lands in your graveyard.
Trailblazer has one thing going for it: It's green with an ability that's usually blue (and sometimes white).
Agreed. It's definitely bad, *even* for an off-color version, but once in a blue moon it *might* actually win you the game. Which is more than can be said for some of the cards that are below it on the list
Splintering Wind is Sorrow's path if it was a green enchantment xD
The laces. Worst thing about those: they actually take up a rare slot. Should be around #5 or so.
Hot springs would actually be quite good in a lot of limited formats. On board tricks like this blank a lot of possible combats
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remora (plural remora or remorae or remoras)
1) Any of various elongate fish from the family Echeneidae, the dorsal fin of which is in the form of a suction disc that can take a firm hold against the skin of larger marine animals.
2) (heraldry) A serpent.
3) (obsolete) A delay; a hindrance, an obstacle.
4) (obsolete, surgery) A surgical instrument, intended to retain parts in their places.
Wood Elemental could cost G, be able to sacrifice tapped Forests, and get +2/+2 for each, and it would still be nearly unplayable. As printed, it's the worst creature of all time, and nothing comes particularly close.
Wizards themselves realized this pretty early on and created a new version, Fungus Elemntal. That was bkack in 1997, I seem to think.
Only 2 in but there are so many worse green cards that this list seems like a troll
Wurm's hardly the best creature ever printed but absolutely wild to act like it's this bad, it's a perfectly reasonable top end to a green aggro deck at the time. Like it's reasonable to say it's a win more card because it's much stronger when we're talking about closing out a position where you're ahead but uh there are many substantially worse green cards than this.
EDIT: Bare minimum there's the future sight or w/e creature with zero printed toughness.
The ideal use for banding defensively would be something like a 0/8 wall and a 1/1 deathtoucher. Together, they can band and take out a 7/7 without you losing anyone.
Then again, you could also just use Doran or Assault Formation to make the 0/8 manage on its own...
The real best use for banding is just countering trample. Chump block and assign all the damage to the creature and none to you
Splintering Wind is a dollar store Forcefield, which is pretty good. Plus it works great in a dinosaur deck with lots of creatures with enrage.
Argothian Wurm? Huh? I would argue that Mungha wurm is far worse. Hell there are even worse green cards like Cocoon.
Edit: Cocoon is on the list. So ill go with Brushwagg.
You could do way worse than a 3 mana 1/4 that (comically) has an upside in that you can use its higher power for fling and such.
And I suppose theoretically if your opponent had multiple combat phases it would be somewhat resilient
So one thing this video overlooked with shelkin brownie is removing bands with others from the wolves will never actually work, as you need 2 of that wolf which both already have band with others for them to band anyway and removing only one instance of bands with others wont stop them from banding.
Wait, so Wood Elemental has you sacrifice as it enters, not as a triggered ability. That is ... all sorts of weird, right? Like, you can get rid of a bunch of your lands without using the stack. Now I want to slot this absolutely attrocious card into my Azusa Primal Surge deck just to add weirdass interactions to the board.
Could see a Green Red deck with Argothian Wurm, Stone Rain and early fast mana elves and artifacts.
Back in the day I played a Red/Green land-destruction deck that ran four A. Worms and four Shivan Wumpuses. It worked well.
@@davidcardoso3525 Also, I COULD see Trailblazer being used in a Thantis the Warweaver EDH deck.
My childhood feels hurt lol, I loved cocoon and would cast it regularly. Please know that is when I was a young teen and we played with our entire collections of cards in one great library!
Man a turn 7 3/3 pearled unicorn with flying put allot of work in back in those days lol
A 3/3 vanilla on turn 7?!
Argothian Wurm? Are you high? lol
Mungha Wurm is right there
It is unironically better. Mungha wurm at least actually develops your board and can be an okay-ish body. Argothian wurm is a 4-mana stone rain except even worse than that sounds. It is awful
@@yuuumtheepic4118 Back then Green/Red Ponza was a deck, and Argothian Wurm was an endless supply of land destruction or a game winning threat depending when you Wildfire
@@DotGamesLive you're still going down a card every time you use it, and remember that you give your opponent the choice. If they have a terror, then your wurm sucks. If they can go under your wurm, it sucks. Otherwise they can tuck it away, make you go down a large chunk of mana and a card while they just beat you to death or search for an answer.
An over-costed stone rain that's even worse than that because it also gives your opponent a choice of what they can deal with best
@@yuuumtheepic4118 No, you don't go down a card. It's a 1 for 1 trade. It's also not a "4-mana stone rain". It was played in a deck that already played land destruction, so sacking a land on turn 4 was realistically not an option.
Just the fact that is saw competitive play in some ponza decks alone should make it obvious that it's not one of the worst cards, not even close. The most cards never make it into a competitive deck.
Top 10 strongest tokens? Might be a good idea for the YGO channel too
There are uses for the occasional banding creature on attack (Lure effects mainly)
But yeah, I don't think I would play any creatures that naturally have banding unless I simply wanted to. That said, one of the artifacts that can give banding could be useful - you can even politic with it by giving someone else's stuff banding.
With thousands of green cards in the game, there is no way Argothian Wurm belongs in this list
It's a 4 mana stone rain, except even worse since you give your opponent a ton of agency. Awful card
Yes, but how is that worse than somehing like Ivy Seer (4 mana 1/1 with a weak activated ability)?
@@yuuumtheepic4118 It is not just a stone rain, it's a recurring stone rain or you get a 6/6 trample beatstick if they can't or won't sack a land. It can absolutely shut down some people who sack lands to it when they shouldn't and if they don't well it's a 6/6 trample for 4.
@@dark_rit a card being recurring doesn't make it good on its own, that's only true if it can help generate card advantage. Every time you play the wurm you still have to pay the full card's worth for it, while your opponent just beats you to death with whatever they have on board
@@minervadetauro7646 because at least it adds to the board somehow lmao
Untill the mirage set, green was the most useles color. It was all about making lots of mana and using big creatures, had no removal cards and couldn't deal damage. It was basically expected to build lots of mana with elves and other stuff and then put on the field some monster.
1-2 Argothian wurm was mandatory in RG ponza around the time Saga was out.
I ran Argothian Wurm in Armegedon. Not sure if that was before or after Ernhams got traded out for Nettletooths, but it was a good 2 of secondary threat to cast after the Armegedon.
I think Stream of Life is inferior to Taste of Paradise. Sure, you can cast Stream of Life for 1 or 2, but the only value in either card is bigger late game life gain and Taste is equal to or superior life gain for the mana.
Dropped after Wurm.
I can think of 10 green cards worse off the dome.
I play 2 in my land destruction deck.
Use trailblazer with Phage the Untouchable 😏
Argothian Wurm deserves an apology. A turn 3 AW on the play back in the day was disgusting.
Cocoon is sweet top down design at least
The 1st one looks like it could be a decent "damned if you do, damned if you don't" kinda thing. Not nearly as good as the one ring(god, I fucking hate that card), but fucking with the mana base is always appreciated lol
That's not . . . how you use banding on defense still, nor what people were saying about it. Blocking requires only one creature with banding, and it can band with any number. Then you assign the damage. But the thing with how banding works is you assign each individual point, you don't have to assign lethal. so if you block with a band of 2/2s, you can assign 1 point of damage to each of them and not lose any. additionally, back when banding was a thing, spot removal was not nearly as prevalent as it is today, neither was the go wide strategy (white was the primary go wide color, and it was also the color with banding). You really only had to worry about Terror and Lightning Bolt back then. So if your opponent wasn't in red or black, you didn't really need to worry about the creature with banding getting removed.
Playing Argothian Wurm with an enchantment that stops ETBs from triggering would be pretty funny, but probably not worth it
At that point, you'd just go for Phyrexian Dreadnought or Eater of Days.
Some of these don’t seem bad at all.
Taste of paradise actually has mult kicker years before the ability was keyworded
I have a strong feeling a form of Banding is going to come with marvel and Regeneration
There are so many green cards that are truly unplayable. Argothian Wurm is not one of them. Its very strong in limited and sees plenty of play in pre-modern land destruction. Sure, it's niche, but there are plenty of other green cards that are bad in limited and see no play in condtructed formats.
i kinda wish the number 1 would have been put at number 11 as unhonorable mention.
just because every list ever has it on it and its no surprise.
just get it out the way at the beginning, so we can be intrigued what the new number 1 would be.
Dude, despite being right about it, putting a Homeland card in your list is like shooting fishes in a barrel. 😁😁😁
It’s clearly rampant growth. Why would I not just play more lands?
Argothian wurm is an absolute banger in a edh xenigos deck.
If someone wants to put themselves behind a land to screw me let them lol
Ill just cast it again next turn
Ooze have the best art and flavour text tho😂 i love that card so much
Also Arg wurm is a beast,i love it so much
Taste of paradise would be a GREAT COMBO PIECE
Abzan
Me who mainly only runs colorless and green praying I don't use any of these cards
Ok I have never heard of any of these I wonder why 😂
Wurm is great. In green Landdestruction it is best creature. And oh my. Green land destruction was insanely good deck then. People didn’t want to play with me 😀
Re Argothian Wurm: if you are ending your description of a card with "this isn't completely garbage all the time"... Then it doesn't belong on a list of the worst cards in a color. There are definitely ten cards that ARE completely garbage all the time.
"Famously weak fog"
H U H
I would say Bull Elephant is way worse than Argothian wurm
does this dude do another youtube channel?
Hang on. Wood Elemental calls for you to 'sacrifice any number of untapped Forests.'
Maybe my complete lack of any actual MTG knowledge is showing, but doesn't that not specify whose Forests you sac? Couldn't you use it as a niche Green hate cared, and sac your opponents lands for a body on your side of the field?
A player can only sacrifice permanents that they control. A card that says "target player sacrifices a creature" makes the targeted player do the sacrificing, so they get rid of one of their dudes. A card that says "when this enters the battlefield sacrifice a creature" refers to its controller doing the sacrificing, so if you play it you would sacrifice one of your dudes (assuming you have any).
You can never sacrifice anyone else's permanents. There are effects that make other people sacrifice things. Wood Elemental is not one of them.
You would need to control your opponent's lands to do so. That may be possible (I have not searched a database), but that is a combination just to destroy some land.
Mungha Wurm is better than Argothian Wurm?
Tempting Wurm is better than Argothian Wurm?
Arothian wurm might be GREAT if you are playing against a NOOB!
We know what #1 is before even watching !
3 is "Cocoon of Evolution", right?
but wood elemental and titania goes burrr
call me crazy, but wood elemental is good in one scenario, that it titania decks that care about land sacrifice
I run one in a saproling deck with Life and Limb just for fun. No one respects a giant fatty that has a huge cost associated with it until you give it flying, trample, or make it fight everything.
i eat duellogs
pangosaur is probably worse than the wurm
I dont think Trailblazer is a great card but it doesnt deserve to be on a list like this, you fail to take in that it is a mono green card with an effect that monogreen doesnt get very often, you said the going rate for making a creature unblockable was 1 or 2 but thats really only in blue. It makes it less "bad" when there are fewer cards that fit the specific niche of "effects in my color"
It doesn't matter if it's exclusive if it's that bad. For the same mana, you get Rogue's Passage in colorless, and that one is repeatable and is a land.
@@fernandobanda5734 Still a pretty poor evaluation when considering one was made in 1995 and the other in 2012. It's a perfectly playable game-ending card that also isn't subject to land removal. For that reason alone they're not very comparable as well.
@@komradekontroll Unless we're talking about an old format, it doesn't matter when cards were printed when comparing power. I picked the land because it's a very direct comparison, not because it was fair for its time (because it never was) and using "green never gets this" as a justification is not applicable when the card is (and always has been) so bad.
Top 10 Elves
I only use green for the health and tokens😂
alr some of these are goods points but like your discarding the fact that in some cases alot of these cards are actually useful, just depends on the situation or what deck your playing them in(also respectfully fuck you fog is the greatest card)
Trailblazer does something green usually don't do, making it more of a "out of nowhere" surprise.
Not sure why you demoting this fine combat trick in green like that. It does what it needs to do just fine.
It's not a combat trick. It's evasion. And "unusual in green" or not, it's just super overcosted. For that cost you could be giving like +5/+5 and trample AND that would actually be a combat trick.
@@fernandobanda5734 It does not need to be "max efficiency" to be a decent card.
There are numbers between 0 and 100 after all.
I, for instance, use said card in Molimo EDH deck.
@@kunopumpernikkel215 It's not a decent card. It's not even a bad card. It's horrendous. I never implied that anything that wasn't the best was bad. +5/+5 and trample, or Might of Oaks are not top cards either.
You can use any card you like, that doesn't make it good. And especially Commander is a terrible measurement of power because the format is inherently casual and non-standardized and it has a lot of unwritten social rules. But even if you do, how many people are playing this in Commander?
Bro just play rogue's passage
What's a "ponza" deck?
Midrange Red/green agro with land destruction effects to slow them down.
*stone rain, avalanche rider, plow under etc
LIFELACE
Day late shout out to mono green stompy!!!!!
Alright I realize you're just not that good at card evaluation. In a vacuum or otherwise. There's your engagement.
There are decks that like lands in graveyards. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying wood elemental is good, but I doubt it's THE worst green card
Mystic remove 😂
Banding being better on defense is BS. If you are blocking you are losing. The end.
Yeah banding was removed because 1) too complicated for people at the time with no internet in 1994 and then it never came back once limited became a format because it is broken in limited. Combat math in limited is already rough, but try blocking in 2024 if someone attacks with a 3/3 with banding and some other moderately sized creature. It's pretty dumb there.
I hate that I keep randomly getting suggested these videos no matter how many times I tell TH-cam to stop recommending them. Your WoW stuff is decent, but your Magic takes are just terrible