Canister Shells Vs. Professional Display Shells 2.5inch!
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- Canister shell demo and comparison against some 2.5 inch display shells. These Zeus canister shells are top notch and I have shot many throughout the years. I would put them up against Excalibur any day. Let me know in the comments what shells you think are better. Thanks for watching and don’t forget to subscribe!
This might be the best video comparison yet of a cylindrical shell break vs a true ball shell break. Well done!
Thanks man! I appreciate the feedback on my video!
Hello Cody
Hell cody
I agree!!!
Hel Cody
I think that we need some reworking of the laws around consumer-grade fireworks. I feel like one of the biggest problems I've had with them is low breaks. They'd be safer if the laws allowed for more powder in the lift charges.
I do agree there. They need to get higher than they do now.
Part of the issue is the short tubes that come with some consumer kits. Swapping from a 12” to 18” gets a lot more height. Still could use more lift though.
Definitely agree had shells brake just above a house height 😂
100% a few years ago I got a batch of "electric rain" they weren't kidding about the rain, set my yard on fire, they were 60gram cannisters and they only went 60ft in the air at best, they were WAY too low.
Consumer canister shells look terrible by comparison.
they're both beautiful in performances
Always be careful when reloading mortar tubes shortly after firing them, burning bits of paper in bottom of tube can cause the fuse to ignite at the bottom where the lift charge is causing it to fire before you can run away. Nice comparison vid! A lot of cheap spherical shells I've seen are actually just empty filler to take up the diameter of the tube and not as nice as those 2. Echo in the Ear are a pretty solid canister shell too, from my experience.
i see people saying this but never see it happen once . i my grand father did 1.3g shells in 70's and 80's in that time era it was knowing they did a lot of reloading shells at pro fireworks shows and my grand father did pro fireworks over 30 years just saying
@@funtyes1970 I've never seen it happen either, but I don't like taking chances. Some people have never seen a plane crash or a boat sink, but apparently they happen too.
@@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785 Pro tip: always load the mortar with no part of the body over the tube. Lower the shell with the string or fuse from the side of the tube. Treat it like a loaded gun and never put any part of your body or hands over the tube.
I guarantee you that's how @david elssworth's grand father and his professional colleagues did it too, especially if they were reloading mortars.
Thank you for reading effect b4 firing, nice bonus👍
A reason why the break is higher on the 1.3 is because of the much longer tube, not necessarily because it has more lift charge, even though they probably might have a little more. If you cut the tube down to the same size of the canister shells tubes, I promise you will get a much lower break on the 1.3… feel free to check it out on my channel, I have videos of 3” coco shell in Long tubes and short tubes, you’ll def see the difference
No, they have 8-10% of lift powder
Meanwhile, canisters have 5-6%
Canisters cant do anything more because the lift breaks the clay.
Tube size is not noticeably a big difference.
Cool comparison although those pro shells don't appear to be a lot larger they definitely perform so much better. Love the roundness of the breaks plus more power
LOVED this comparison style of video
The two display shells were very nice. Funny that Zeus tube you showed I've never seen those kits but I got a couple Zeus tubes in a case of Reaper shells I bought back in 2017 lol. Not a lot of difference among canister shell's these days. My favorites are Vibraniums for performance and Big Pro Shells because they don't load them up with clay
Tbh I kinda like the low breaks on the commercial shells, but I like the symmetrical breaks on the professional shells
Even the fuses on the pro grade ones are even burn and better timed
Nice demo. Major difference in the look of 1.3 to consumer shells. Thanks!👍🏾🧨 subbed
Thanks for watching and subscribing! And yes 1.3 just blows consumer out of the water.
Thankfully we can get some 1.3 stuff here as consumers although we aren't allowed any form of mortar shell... Hence we have some huge stick rockets available!
Display stuff sometimes goes up to 1.1!
As you start progressing into 1.3, you start to fall out of love with cannister shells. There is just something about an unsymmetrical break that is displeasing to the eye and just comes off cheap looking.
I haven’t bought a case of cans in almost a year to be honest.
@@midwestpyrotechnics318 I would rather have overloaded and in some cases regular canister shells instead of the 2 and 3 inch diameter ball shells but the 5 and 6 inch ball shells are awaome
@@dontpanic_pyro6366 except for salutes.
Everyone loves salutes.
😎🔥 Great comparison demo🔥😎
Great vid. From the Midwest as well.
Thanks for watching!
Love fireworks 💥
That was nice new sub, look forward to more demo's.
Thanks! I will have some more in the near future.
Would love to get my ATF license to get some of the smaller shells like those for my fourth of July display but the storage is my holdup 😥. Just gotta live through the TH-cam crowd
The shoot experience is where I’m stuck, not sure how I’m going to help shoot 3 different professional shows..
The people you buy from or a display company will store it for you until needed date most times.
@Kevin Nix what is a hobby license? is this the 1.3g license?
Why would storage be an issue? Almost all dealers do contingency storage for you until the day you shoot. Also a indoor storage magazine is only $325 to build
@@fredluden2298 see these are thing I never knew lol. I need to find a hobby group I can talk to cause I'd be down
Sweet 👍 consumer should add few more g to lift charge and they would finally be equal 😄
Yeah those are some good canister shells. Some of my favorite for sure.
Just use a longer tube. Use the appropriate plastic or fiberglass tubes.
Then they would have to add less stars because total weight of a shell has to be 60 grams of explosive material. That would make the break seem smaller because less stars while higher.
First thing I noticed is more symmetrical breaks with professional shells.
yeah cuz most class b shells are balls so the break is gonna be more symmetrical den canister shells
The cylinder shells are limited to what, 55-60 grams by regulation?
4", 5", it doesn't matter the length.
The 1.3g is only limited by volume.
The difference between your 2.5" and a 3" shell is noticable, as is the jump to a 4" shell.
The volume differences begin to shrink as the size increases. Don't get me wrong, bigger IS better. Safety concerns and downwind fallout areas become the problem for most of the private display hobbyists.
Be safe everyone. Your guests' health and safety are your first responsibility.
Maybe it's the camera angle or watching on a phone vs pc, but they didn't honestly appear to be much different. It would be nice to see the camera set up at a fixed distance and set both off at the same time. I know that might not be easy to pull off, but these seem very "apples to oranges" in comparison. Especially when comparing even bigger shells to each other. I know an 8" is obviously more dynamic than a 3", but in a video it's hard to distinguish dimensions. Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, just making a constructive observation.
The high angle of the effect vs camera plays tricks.
It's hard to discern the height of the break.
@@richavic4520 there are a lot of the consumer videos where they put a scale on the screen. Not that it's a perfect measurement, but it would at least give some form of compare and contrast. Maybe do both vids in split screen? Just thinking of ways I would do it if I could make a video myself. I know there's still fisheye to deal with, etc. but again, side by side is still pretty hard to argue with. Like I said, I applaud your effort in the video you were able to present! Thanks
Are you blind or mentally disabled? You can clearly see how much higher the professional shells break. Just count the seconds from as soon as the lift charge goes off on a consumer shell till it breaks in the sky. It's 3 seconds. With the pro shells is around 4 to 5 seconds. And common sense says it will obviously go higher because pro shells has more black powder on the lift charge than a canister shell.
Consumer fireworks have came a very long ways!
Yes
Very cool
love to see the difference between them, my only question is how and what do I need to get my atf license to help brighten up my displays.
Great video! gained a sub here~!
Glad you enjoyed! And I will be posting a video on the ATF license process this month or next.
@@midwestpyrotechnics318 that would be perfect! Keep up the good work!
Keep in mind the ATF license is not the end-all be-all to shoot these shells. Depending on which state you live in, there may be more requirements involved. Like insurance, shooters license, permits, fire coverage, and an appropriate site with appropriate distances.
Look up displayfireworks1 on youtube. He has a video & a webpage with info to help you.
@@sethwatson8952 you only need extra permits if you doing a big show with a lot of people what i understand
Great video. Higher and the breaks are different..
Nothing beats those cocos!!
Dude litterally took 2 consumer grade 2 in she'll balls and added more lift charge abd more star powder and effects powders so I turned one 2 in excalliber into bassically 2 shells and did 3 and man it's worth the money and work loud and goes 3 times higher then the shell out of the box and bigger break. Very easy to take abd make your own shells as well like i do fir a 1/4 of price and bigger higher abd more powerfull
What you need to do is stop making your own fireworks and work instead learning how to write or type in English because I cannot understand what the fuck you are even saying.
Always wondered why they don’t make a 60g ball shell for the consumer market. Why are they all cans?
Canister shells break like a bowtie shape lol. Id rather have even a good 1"3/4 ball shell over any canister shells. That also goes for the Salute shells.
dam the ones at the end were good
Looking forward to the New Years upload brother. Be safe and have fun🍻 had to sub btw🤙🏽
Glad you enjoyed!
Nice comparison!
I don't know anything about stuff, but just viewing them, I would say the canisters are still quite nice, and I wouldn't walk out of a professional display if some were mixed in to give more flash per minute. If they are considerably cheaper, it would be pretty nice to use them for filling in volume or something. Back in the day, a pro display would have like 2 shots per minute, until the guy on the launching barge fucked up and blew his face off, then a couple hours of delay, and then they'd burn off the remaining stuff quickly, because fireworks.
Funny enough, consumer 1.75" shells cost nearly the same as 2.5" commercial shells. My wholesale cost for a case of 5" or 6" cannister shells is $178 plus shipping to me is $24/case. That comes out to $2.80/shot. If you look at Casabella's public price list for 1.3g 2.5" shells, they average $2.93 each with 3" shells at $4.15. This was my first year shooting 1.3g with a local company, and I can tell you without a doubt I would have argued the 1.4 stuff I shoot is similar to 2.5" shells....and I now realize just how wrong I would have been. At basically the same price, the 2.5" is WAY higher breaking and with a larger spread.
@@adammerritt It's an exciting time for fireworks. That's for sure! While driving to view a professional display in my area now (where serious fireworks have been illegal for my whole life), the whole route is lit with amazing displays. It makes me wish I were a pilot.
Very Cool Video, I really enjoyed the comparison. Any idea the Comp weight of the 2.5's. I'm curious if it's even close to 60grams??? Cool Channel, I'm for sure Subscribing👍💥👍
I will have to cut a 2.5 open sometime to find out. Great ideal though! Thanks for subscribing!
@@midwestpyrotechnics318 cool, awesome Content. I had to SUBSCRIBE for more👍🎇👍. I'd love to see more of the effects that came in that 2.5" case. I may grab a few more for the Stash!!!
@@midwestpyrotechnics318 I second this. What is the content?
Nice Demo sampo 🔥🤙🏾
Thanks for the video, you did a very nice job. I do have to say that if you are going to compare a 1.3 shell versus a 1.4 G can you could have used a better 1.4 G canister shell. I have 1.4 cans that are just as good as 3" 1.3 G shells. In fact if you are staying 3" or below on the 1.3g I wouldn't even waste my time. The price difference is not worth it, in my opinion. If you are keeping the 3" titanium salutes out of the equation, there are consumer 1.4 cans that hit just as hard and and even harder than 3", and 2.5" as you are demoing. 1.3g color shells have a nice lift charge to them but a lot of the breaks are not very impressive.
That’s such a consumer fireworks guy comment. You obviously have never fired a single display shell in your life. Let alone seeing a 1.3g shell burst in person. TH-cam is one thing, up close in person is another.
@@beemerguy2160 I replied and it looks like somebody might have taken it down. You're a moron if you think that I would make a comment like that and not have dealt with them personally. Maybe you should get out there and have more experience with things and see for yourself. Looks like you haven't run into the right canister shell. And as I said before, drink a little more whiskey at 3:00 a.m and insult someone else on TH-cam and start an argument.
2.5" to 3" 1.3g COLOR SHELLS, NOT SALUTES are nothing special. I have cans that are the equivalent and some even better. You just have to find the right ones. But nobody can tell you anything you have it all figured out.
Price difference not worth it? You must be talking about illegal "street" prices. I can legally buy a good-quality case of 72 3" shells for less than the cost of 2 24-piece can shell kits. The performance will be WAY better also. 1.3 will almost always be a better value product when compared to 1.4 dollar per dollar. US consumer fireworks are 60% cardboard/clay and 100% markup.
You think you could get around to opening one of them 2.5s and 3s to see how there filled and what the comp weighs ? I’m really curious
How many grams in the ball of a 2.5 inch. Think you can only squize 21 grams in 1.75? So what like 40 grams?
I liked the canister shells better!
Indeed smallest shell normaly I shoot 3” to 6” shells in Europa but I like the American cilinders es well
Nice!!
How would one legally go about obtaining an atf license? And how do the non law abiding obtain the professional stuff?
Nice comparison, but the canisters weren’t impressive. Raccoon seemed better to me. Excalibur canisters are very weak. Comparing to Excalibur isn’t really a good competition for finding a great 1.4G product.
I really don’t have many great consumer brands available for a decent price. I just had to work with what I have. I’m hoping someone will send me a box of death shells or something good to compare against 1.3 shells.
That Zeus logo is from the game Age Of Mythology...
Hey man, love it!! Jw where you can purchase some professional display shells, like the ones in this video?
I use a distributor. There are all throughout the country. Kinda hard to find though. You must have your ATF license to purchase display fireworks. Thanks for watching!
Depends on we’re your at and who you know do need the ATF licenses 🧨🧨
Guando makes nice shells..GD
Yes they do I’ve enjoyed lots of their products
I liked those Zeus shells but 60 grams is far from 120 and balls rule !
New sub awesome channel Pyro
Thanks for the support
You cant tell how far it went up in the dark.
Once you go class 1 u never go back to ⛺🎪 fireworks 🎆🎇. I used to get thunder kings and 4 inch mortars. I haven't bought anything for 4-5 years.
Nice
Is it just me or does it seem like these canister shells (mostly Excalibur) didn’t get popular until about 2008ish?
Seems like there were a lot less of them around in the early 2000’s, more of just those round 1.4g shells like Festival Balls. At least in my area.
I can’t remember honestly.
Use a 8' pvc tune as a lounch barrel and they go 4x as high . The longer the barrel the higher they go .
That advice is going to get someone killed. NEVER us PVC, it fragments. We use the HDPE for a real good reason, it doesn't fragment.
@@sethwatson8952 calling the cops gets people killed
@@charlesyates6687 That's not relevant to my statement...
@@sethwatson8952 bit true you call the cops on neighbors dog and you or the mejor will be killed beaten or kidnapped by the cops . And as far as pvc been doing it for 50 years no problems.
I once worked with a guy who would say "Right off the back" all the damn time. I tried to correct him for years but he didn't believe me. I hate him.
Great video🏆
How can I get a license in Ohio to shoot the Shells??????
What’s the difference in price for the professional version? Amazing video
Honestly it used to be cheaper to buy professional shells than to buy consumer canister shells.
Where do you get display fireworks? I want to get some 8 or 10 inch ones for my next neighborhood 4th of july party! Can't seem to find them anywhere online. Except maybe russia but they don't ship to the US.
You must have a license to but them
@@midwestpyrotechnics318 is there any way to get them without a license? I wanna have a good time next year
Are you mentally diaabled or are you smoking some great drug we never heard about?
Wouldn't a 1.75 or 2" be more comparable
Yeah but my distributor only carries salutes in 1.75 and 2 inch. So 2.5 inch is all I’m able to get for display color shells that small. Next time I go to lynch imports I may try and get some 2 inch display shells for a comparison. I’d really like to put some death shells next to some 2.5s. I think that would be a good comparison but I don’t have any of those.
How do you get the licenses?? I'm looking into getting display shells..I like the 5 "display shells.. Seem like all display shells go up further and hit harder.. I seen the Titanium Salute and it was AWESOME.. That what make me want some and I love the professional cakes especially those 600 shots
Check out my other videos. I explain the entire process
@@midwestpyrotechnics318 And the alphabet boy's can come to your house anytime without notice and you have to let them in, it's not peaches and flowers. I'd never get a 54 too much worry, I just do what I do and enjoy like I been doing for decades
I looked into the Type 54, and everything that goes with it. I came to the conclusion that it generally costs way too much money, and I ultimately don't want the responsibility and hassle of it. Particularly, there's obligatory paperwork that you better have correct when it gets looked at, and I'm not super awesome at that stuff. On the other hand, I did get my state display operator's license. That allows me to run any 1.3 show. It is a fairly straight forward apprenticeship type thing, and I got paid to do all those shows even as a non-licensee. It is not much money, $100 for the license, and a written test. $100 every 4 years to renew. The best way to do that is to join a firework club if available, or if not, call up display companies that work in your area and ask them if you can get in with their company. They're usually looking for help.
Should’ve used dank shells instead!
How did you get those two shells and tube?
I have a license and I made my mortar tube.
How do I get an atf license and where do I look to buy shells like those. (The display shells)
Thee 2.5 inch ain't GOT A THING ON KUSH CANISTER SHELLS 😂🤣
Then we’ll just get bigger 🤷🏽♂️😂kush shells are weak compared to the bigger display shells
@@jesusg853 Kush are still sick for 1.75 canister shells.
Nice palm
people keep asking you where they can get some 3inch shells must get annoying if ur lucky enough to find a black market dealer that has this kinda shtt thats where you get these inless you have an ATF license
Yeah everyone wants the good stuff haha.
I got one in Houston
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i'm from Illinois and i want to be able to obtain the license required for professional type of fireworks. can someone redirect me to a website or at least let me know if its possible for me to even get one from my state.
You can get your 54 in Illinois but the state requirements are ridiculous to shoot 1.3 legally there
Just out of curiosity, how much do cases cost of all size display shells? I see you mentioned to someone else in an earlier comment that a case of 120 display shells (2.5") costs about $200 - How much do cases for all the other size shells cost?
Well the lowest rates I can get are: 3” 72/1 are $170 4” 36/1 are $160. It really just depends on the quality desired and the size. It’s hard for me to break it down all the way.
@@midwestpyrotechnics318 No worries thanks for that, even that's a good insight into it :)
120 shells for 200? Wtf are you on crack ??
Did you bury the display shell mortar tube in the ground?
I can’t remember…I usually do
You said dalailah instead of dahlia😂😂💀💀😭😭
Wouldn’t be the first lol
are the commercial shells cheaper than the consumer shells relatively speaking
Surprisingly they are depending on where you buy them.
Where do you buy the last one Display Shell?
I have a distributor who imports them.
@@midwestpyrotechnics318 can you tell us who your distributor is
@@minicinnamonpoptart2494 the 1.3 box in the background says Wayne's World Fireworks, Llc.
Best consumer canister shells are Death Shells.
I agree but I can’t find any around me
how many days for one
So why do you have to have a license for the other 2 ?
They are considered professional and exceeded the max limit of 60g comp.
Also, what would the cost of the consumer version be vs the similar 2.5" professional fireworks? Per unit, I mean.
I can get consumer shells for about $1.90 ish per shell and 2.5” display shells for about $1.75 roughly.
Yeah but they’re not growlers or excal plats
Send me a sleeve and I’ll do a comparison!
Is it hard to get a atf license
No it's not too bad.
What forms do you need to complete for that specific license?
ATF type 54
is that a pic from the age of mythology game on those tubes ? lol
No idea lol
I think the 2.5” and canister shells are about the same size break just the 2.5” display shells are a more clean break.
i disagree . you can see 1.3 ball shell have way bigger break and like it should cuz it is 1.3g
Sub'd. Great vid.
Thanks for the support!
@@midwestpyrotechnics318 no doubt.
how do you get a license to buy and shoot off display shells
Check out my video on that process!
How Hard Is It To Get Professional Pyrotechnic License?
Not too bad
Where are you from? I buy product from Wayne’s world. I am from 20 minutes from there. Good stuff
@Ethan Hill Terre Haute area.
@@midwestpyrotechnics318 awesome! I’m from spencer. Which is 40 min from terra haute. I just got my 1.3 license yesterday. So I’m pretty stoked
Commercials on youtube just get longer and longer every day
Unfortunately so…but it helps pay the bills and fireworks aren’t cheap
@@midwestpyrotechnics318 I hope you didn't misunderstand, it wasn't meant to be an attack on you, it's just commentary (frustration) on the entire youtube website.
How much does it cost you for a case of the coconut shells?
Also nice vid man love it
Depends. What size?
@@midwestpyrotechnics318 the 2.5a that you have
I just checked the catalog and my distributor doesn’t carry all coconut shells but I’d imagine it would cost around $200 for a case of 2.5s.
And 100 comes in the case right?
How does one get a hold of 1.3 fireworks
Get your ATF license
Go on purple magus and e bay
2:32 in, still talking. Not fireworks shot off
There’s 1.3 1.75 shells idk why tho
Because they have flash which makes them salutes.
Its only 3 inches why are they 1.3?
They are 2.5 inch display shells and they are over the 60 gram limit is my guess.
Because they contain more composition than legally allowed in consumer shells and are regulated by the BATFE as explosives.
Nice demo, just SuB you
Awesome! Thanks for watching.
@@midwestpyrotechnics318 Np pyro brother
Ther are other canister shells that are better.
in my country we trow them on the ground lol
We have done that a time or two
Nice!
How can I buy a commercial shell lol
Get a license
You know there's no match there at all there shouldn't even be a thought of the consumer shells being anywhere close to or better then pro shells.
It’s still fun to see the comparison between the two though. This was just for fun.
Some of The canisters are mislabeled lol
Yes it’s not uncommon I’ve noticed.
Yeah, it’s kind of stupid though. Wish people would pay attention to it and label it correctly.
Actually sometimes it’s because they’re copying another brand’s shells and just slapping a random label on it
Not apples to apples bro. C'mon
It was just for good fun. I really want to get some top of the line canister shells like Death Shells to make it a little more even.
I am with u though, I dig the Zeus shells!!
They are very impressive shells. I’ve used them in shows for several years.
Canister shells are cheaper to make.
Yeah. Just a scope of black powder, scope of stars and plug it up.
$8-10 a shot compared to $2 a shot .
Pretty much
Which one is $8 a shot and which one is $2 a shot?
@@111DAKIDD canister shells are about $2 the 3.1 atf 2.5in shells are about $8-10.
@@johnnyleewalker9872 1.3g 2.5 inch ball shell cost about 2 bucks for color, 3 bucks for salute. Find a wholesaler near you and buy by the case.
@@johnwimer5902 give me the name of the company that sells that cheap?