The RISE and FALL of Gambit - Destiny 2
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This is the Rise and Fall of Gambit in Destiny 2. Gambit has seen its ups and downs throughout the years with many pointing to just removing the game mode completely citing that it can't be fixed! Gambit released all the way back in Destiny 2 Forsaken to a massive amount of praise, but some issues were noted, then advanced on in Gambit Prime later on! Destiny has seen changes for Gambit in Beyond Light and now in Witch Queen, so here's the full story, I hope you enjoy!
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Intro: 00:00
Gambits Beginning: 02:21
Gambit, the Prime: 10:22
Gambit, Beyond Repair: 18:57
Rock Bottom: 25:15
Outro: 29:59
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I love how I unload 2 galahorn shots, press the super button and the boss goes "nah, I don't fell like receiving damage right now"
Honestly Gambit is better now with that damage gating. It prevents instant wipes of the boss’s health bar like what happened back when Lament broke the game.
Also gives the other team a fighting chance in general since you have time to invade when it takes at least 4 (or 6?) primeval slayer stacks now.
I kinda like it that way better, boss can't get immediately wiped from a team trying to set a world record on trying to complete a game mode the fastest
"Galahorn" 🤣
Damn bro, maybe try paying attention
that's really dumb this season
I miss having more than 3 Gambit maps to play on.
I miss the dreaming city and the tangled shore map
There are 4. EDZ, Mars, Titan, and Nesus.
@@KoPT01 I miss the other 2
I miss when they had a best of 3 to win. It made the mode last a lot longer but with today's power creep on top of everyone being just done with gambit, it's turned into a speedrun and the first to 40 motes usually wins.
I miss the prime mode and normal mode
The thing that frustrates me the most about gambit is how cool the aesthetic is. I love the whole snake theme but playing the game mode is insufferable, I want to get the gambit cosmetic stuff but I have to play something I hate in order to get it
you now what frustrates me the most about gambit. Its that significant dev time gets sucked up by gambit but pvp (which has the bigger player population by a long shot) is mostly ignored. the last new map was like 1000 days ago...
Pvp sucks gambit just needs to be tweak
@@ADUSN Fuck destiny pvp, colorfull clusterfuck like brain of its enjoyers.
@@wyc4dabatman156 get gud
This is not a souls or souls like, so that's that. Mayhem is fun but I prefer gambit
They were on to something with Gambit Prime. Sure it needed tweaking, but the addition of armour sets really added depth to the gameplay. Yet, instead of expanding and refining the mode, Bungie just removed most of the meaningful changes brought in Prime. Whereas crucible has largely remained stagnant, Gambit has actually devolved throughout its lifespan.
I preferred Prime for the simple fact that I was usually solo queing. If I got stuck with some blueberries at least it wasn't going to be for long.
Honestly, as a solo player, I actually like solo queue gambit a lot- because I DON'T play Freelance gambit.
I queue normal gambit. Non-freelance. Because MOST blueberries migrate to the Freelance playlist for their bounties.
What I didn’t like was as I was playing, trying to win AND complete bounties/quests I would get bullied after the fact by sweaty children acting all hard, all I could do was look at Drifter and be like, “can you believe this nonsense?” 😅
Three Round Gambit from Season Of The Drifter specifically was my way preferred way to play. It allowed for comebacks and a hectic as hell final boss rush.
Yep, was actually amazing
Finally someone that gets it! And just too clarify this was how gambit worked since it’s launch but it got messed with when Beyond Light came out
Here’s hopeing Bungie remembers what made the mode good in the first place
“Hectic as hell” final boss rush that considers the winning team by amount of solar middle hunters that team had? Yeah, pretty hectic.
Mine too.
It felt more like a match than just a round of Gambit. You could adjust tactics and turn the tide.
Too bad most destiny players value getting loot fast than having fun.
Also, you had a longer amount of time to do bounties.
I miss getting the Armour and stuff, wish the roles thing came back, like, you'd lock in your roll when you que in, and you'd get bonuses for role, like Sentinels getting extra damage on blockers and invaders, but less on rank and file. Just be really cool
I've had some fun with gambit over the years. My biggest complaint with it has always been this....the boss healing on invader kills was too much.
God yes. Get it half way down, two invader kills and suddenly it is full again and you knock it back down to the third then it just gets invulnerable again.
The RISE and FALL of evanf’s Video Editors
A New Player's opinion on Invader Swap: It's super nice during the mote collection stage, but once you're at the Primeval fight it just turns into a "who can Invade harder" race yet again and extends those parts of the game way farther than they need to.
yes thats the point of invading what's the issue?
Invading has too much power allocated to it. It’s literally all or nothing and nothing has changed or disproven this fact: The Team who has better Invaders will almost always win. Other aspects like mote collection, blocker clearing, boss damage, are all nearly negligible compared to getting heavy/special ammo and invading often and effectively.
Then use heavy ammo too and kill them? Everyone has access to heavy.
This made me miss the collecter set, my friends and I made a meme set up and all ran it. Once one giant blocker died the next person was just sitting there ready to throw the next one in
The most underpaid editors in destiny history!
lmaooooooo
Does he not pay his editors?
I love Gambit as a mode. You got the fast-paced, hectic as hell enemy wave killing portion on the one side, the blockers, mote draining & sweaty invasions on the other and the madcap mayhem of murdering the Primeval in under 4 milliseconds straight in the middle.
However, there have been different iterations/styles of Gambit since it first dropped for Forsaken and a few have been good but most have also been pretty much unplayable.
Bungo needs to have a serious look at what people loved about Gambit so much, what didn't work out the best and find that sweet spot of a middle ground into making 'The Perfect Gambit.'
I don't want to hate this gamemode any more than I need to cause I feel that it's the perfect gap between grinding stripes & PvP.
Idk its had mire reworks than any other activity. at this point the gamemode doesn’t deserve the resources its been given considering its bad player count. They need to focus on other stuff now
@@r6uxxr374 I understand that it's had the MOST rework than anything in the game right now but I still feel that simply giving up on Gambit and asking for it to be deleted is just *too sad.*
Ever since Beyond Light, we lost quite a lot of content due to sunsetting (strikes, PvP maps and a couple of Gambit maps too), so saying Gambito should be deleto'ed is gonna hurt the community in a way they'd never expect.
I for one want Bungo just to tell the team that overlooks Gambit as a whole to sift through all the good, the bad and the balanced in order to find the solution Gambit needs.
Far to many memories of this gamemode, good and bad, for us to just fold in the towel for it.
@@nathanielmalcolm6623 the only thing i can think of for gambit is to gove everybody the same 10 guns with foxed rolls that rotate each week then it will remove most of the bad and increase competitiveness
@@r6uxxr374 that..would make it even more stale, coming from a man who lives in gambit
Wonder how many cents your editors got for this one
Since last year I've felt like it should be morphed into something more like Season of the Splicer's Override with the PVP element relegated to shorter 1v1 periods when you go to get the big chunk of motes when the portal to the Vex network appears. Minimise the invasiveness for less frustration perhaps
I have a lot to say about gambit but one of my biggest problems is the lack of variety in the gamemode. It astounds me to this day that they decided to get rid of the tangled shore and dreaming city maps, because those are still in the game. I also think that part of the problem is that there isn't much difference between the maps or anything. For about a year now, I have been mentioning to my friends an idea that I have for a new gambit mode because I actually think it can be really fun (and was before the health-gating and exotic damage crises of 2022).
In my proposed version, instead of the boring usual bank in the middle and 4 battlefronts, it would instead be one big long strip of land with opposing teams starting off on either end. In the middle of the territory, there would be a primeval as usual, but the primevals would be in the same large arena in the middle, and would be fighting each other, little to no damage to each other. In order to get to the boss, you would need to kill envoys and bank motes to open 3-4 massive gates that they have put in between your team and the boss. Once you kill the envoys and their cronies, you can bank the motes that they drop in one of the following slots: send more low level ads to the opposing team, gain ammo for your fight against the boss, set traps that the opposing team has to avoid (like a water hazard to make their combat arena smaller and have the players have to do a jumping puzzle to bank the motes), or you could add a one-time per gate level damage boost to the opposing team's primeval, meaning that yours would have less health when you got to the boss. Each of these options has a cost, and you will only gain a set number of motes from the envoys so spend them wisely (motes will not be able to be carried between gates). As each team progresses closer and closer to the boss, the enemies would become more difficult (more health, more enemies, more variety, slightly less cover, larger spaces, etc.). One thing that would not be a factor in the game would be invading. You cannot specifically go to the enemy team's side to kill them and make them drop their motes. However, you can take a portal to the enemies side and try and make their fight more difficult in a different way. Once you reach the halfway point to the main arena, and then again in the main arena, you will be presented with a single use portal (one each time). If you enter this portal, you will be sent to the enemy team's original starting point ("homebase") and have to hunt and kill a high value target in order to teleport the enemy team back one gate and have to repeat the envoy phase (at a reduced difficulty because it would be bs if they had to kill high level enemies at the same volume if they had already cleared that gate) and bank a set number of the dropped motes to open the gate. Once the invader has finished hunting, they must race back to a set portal in the enemy homebase to be returned to their team (if they die, the setback doesn't occur). If a team is set back, they can gain another one of the mote options listed above though, so it is risky to send a team backwards. When a "homebase" invader is hunting the high value target, the team that is being invaded will be presented with their own portal to put them halfway towards their own base (so they can make it back in time, but not be put right on top of the invader to give both sides a fighting chance) and can try and kill the invader and stop the setback. This is the only aspect of PVP in this mode so as to try and cut back on the amount of cross interaction between damage values etc etc. Once your team breaches the final gate, you must try and nuke the boss to the best of your ability based on the mote banking decisions you made earlier. If it is possible it would be fun to also have an option within the arena itself to let the opposing team try and continue to bank motes to add more small enemies or health boosts to the boss but at this point, it is just a race to see which boss dies first. Once that is complete, the game is over and you can rinse and repeat however much you like.
I know this is just a comment section, but I have been mulling over this for years and Evan's video finally shed the light on just how far gambit has fallen, and I just wanted to spread the love I used to have for this gamemode, and try and reach others who agree/have ideas for what I have above. I am happy to have a more in depth conversation about this! Thanks Evan for the great video as always!
I love the idea man. You’ve got a well-thought our alternative to the usual gameplay here. Plus, I’m a sucker for linear stretches as PVP maps. Thanks for posting, keep it up man! God bless you!
not a bad idea in the first half but either way leads to an all or nothing win/loss there is no balance here....so how do you keep pve players up to par all you need is a bit of heavy ammo and everything you say is done super easily....on the other side if we're talking about lower end pve players well I guess just don't play gambit because with your version there is no point to....i like the idea for a harder gambit prime but this would be a trials gambit prime idea too much nuance in an ordinary run of the mill playlist activity
I love gambit. But for the feeling and nostalgia.
My opinion:
-Bring Gambit Prime back
-Bring Reckoning back
-The armor sets for Prime should give only faster rep.
-Give back the old guns
-Add new loot tables NOT JUST 2 USELESS GUNS
-Give New exotic quest
Give a new Title for Gambit Prime for example: "Notorius"
You had me til you said the sets would only give faster rep, nah if there is a set maybe they can have gambit exclusive mods which do stuff like add invader tracker, or allow you to carry more motes, like lite versions of the prime perks not the op stuff that made everyone flock to reaper n invader only, everything else is a good idea
Nah the prime armor sets should actually have a benefit. The issue was they never adjusted the armor sets so they were stupidly broken. Prime was fine but Bungie let it die rather than work on the mode.
And most importantly, nerf and/or remove Heavy Ammo as a factor for invasions.
@@alter6243 The roles should exist, but not locked to an armor set. The armor should be for something else.
Especially the reckoning and prime back. I spent most of my time in reckoning, if i played gambit. I maybe played with hundreds of players and grinded hundreds of hours and FARMED 150+ spare rations in reckoning… just for the fun of it. I enjoyed reckoning immensely its why “go figure” is my favorite pulse.
Personally, I find gambit really fun. I’d rather play it than the crucible any day.
Same here. I don't think Destiny's sandbox is well suited to traditional PvP at all, so having a multiplayer mode that's a bit more unique is welcome.
Same. The problem is heavy ammo.
@@tenacity25 the problem is that people don't stop to look for the invader. Thinking the invader is too strong with heavy ammo when you have FOUR people on your team also with heavy cracks me up. You are the dreg shooters who just ignore it when it says invaded, then get mad when they kill you and take your motes. If you have troubles finding or fighting the invader, you need to look at your radar LOL
@@tenacity25 people want the invader to have no chance apparently. No heavy ammo, no seeing through walls, 1v4 in a game where primaries melt you on .27 seconds. (Destiny's actual lowest TTK)
@@silentsmokeNIN The heavy ammo IS a problem. But if the invader needs re-buffed after removing the heavy ammo, you can give them wall hacks back.
Like honestly, add BACK wallhacks and seeing enemy mote values in exchange for heavy ammo. That'd be GREAT.
Thanks for adding me into this man! It was wild seeing me be a part of this.
Still can't belive how i was patient enough to get the Dredgen tittle 😂
same dude. i played for like 6 hours straight one day and when i finished getting the title i nearly cried from how relieved i was.
This video was well needed! Thank you
I'm not sure whether to be confused or happy about these late night uploads. On one hand, I'm always awake. On the other hand, I shouldn't be and this just keeps me up later. Either way we all get a good dose of evenf1997 for our day. Can't be sad about that.
My idea for how to fix gambit is to have it so when you invade your heavy is disabled but it also disables heavy for the team you are invading. This would allow you to invade if the other team is on boss and slow down their damage without health gates and would also make it much more focus on actual gunplay instead of who can shoot their rocket first.
That just sounds like a race of who invades the most during boss phase to disable the other team's heavy weapons the most. Sounds like that could get really really annoying
Sounds like a great idea but idk if it would work out so well in game
@@aznjay94 Gambit is honestly going to be annoying no matter what, it's just finding what's LEAST annoying.
@@aznjay94 Yeah, thats the most valid argument against that I've seen
Snipers and supers still exist
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A thought I had was if the primeval phase removed the health gates, but the envoys gave players a debuff while they're alive that reduces damage to bosses; so while it won't be necessary to keep killing the envoys, it is still heavily incentivized. Thoughts?
Good idea.
that would increase snowballing so no point
33 min Video? 5 bucks take it or leave it
Bro who in that thumbnail is giving the drifter sloppy toppy
Well said, Egg. Currently grinding infamy while watching this video.
Gambit - make it like Arenas in Apex Legends. No weapon loadouts allowed just a rotating pool of weapons to choose from. You purchase weapons & blockers between rounds. The more your team banks, the more funds you'll have access to for the next round.
Abilities, Armor perks & Supers work as usual but all charge at their base values making an even-ish playing field.
REMOVE THE PRIMEVIL PHASE and add in Primevil Escorts in each base spawn as a mini boss instead. (ex: if hostiles are at the steppes, then after the enemies are cleared a Primevil Escort appears). Any blockers purchased between rounds also pop up with the Escorts. After 3 mini boss clears, the rounds ends.
Teams can be invaded and attacked as usual (invades @40 & 80 motes) but invader can now steal motes from the bank. Which should be the new goal of invading w/o the Primevil Phase.
The Gambit comes from the choices made between rounds...do you go all in on special and heavy weapons for AD clear but less motes or do you get some primary's to get more motes and buy a ton of blockers every round. Or if the "team bank" gets enough donations a 3rd invasion can be purchased. 3rd invasion is expensive and heavy/special weapon purchases increase in price but only if the same weapon is purchased more than once.
Enemies have more health each round, special & heavy weapon kills drop 1 mote but primary kills have a chance to drop 2+ motes.
Literally made this up right now but it's an idea I guess lol
They need gambit strikes. Linear missions with opposing guardians making their way through mirror areas at 1/3 and 2/3 of the way through theirs a joint mini arena with a mix of pve and PvP objectives (like one team is light motes and one is dark and they need to debuff a shared pool of enemies for them to drop the motes they need (something akin to prophecy dungeon). The final encounter sports a boss with two health bars. One for each team, and they need to debuff the boss to damage. If dark team debuffs and starts to damage and light team comes in with their debuff it overrides the original dark debuff which means the teams need to juggle boss dps and general area defense.
Just something beyond a simple arena feel where it’s almost like we both want to complete the (strikish)mission for our own teams.
I think they need to remove heavy ammo spawn until primevil spawns, healthgate would be ok, if invaders wouldn't heal primevil to its max HP, 10% heal from a kill is enough, and after 3rd wave of wizards there shouldn't be a healthgate if you didn't kill primevil in time
exactly, or just make all players immune to heavy
@@julianpeterson4227 That's too far. It's reasonable for Heavy to spawn for the Primeval Section only. That's the point where things have to speed up,
@@waitwhat238 its really not, heavy is the most brainless part of PVP so I think you should only rely on primary and special for killing other players
I'd say they just need to fix the heavy ammo issue, making players immune to heavy would make gambit worse.
@@PKDoodle_ explain why
Launch build of gambit with only 1 round and some of the QOL we have now with preset loadouts that rotate weekly/seasonally is all i want to see
👏Great Video Evan
I had so much fun in gambit for like 4 hours yesterday. Got good loot too, I think some people overthink/analyze these modes. Just play it and have fun, especially with friends. Although if you play gambit and pretend the pvp elements aren't happening, ignoring invaders/not invading, you're gonna get stomped every time & you can't act surprised.
what about when your doing bounties or an exotic quest for gambit and all of a sudden you lose 15 motes bc you got sniped or blown up by ghallahorn (darkness in the light quest😒)
When i started playing destiny 2 at about this time last year, Gambit was ludicrously fun once i tried it (i was initially put off because of bad descriptions making it sound overcomplicated). Splicer era gambit was some of the most fun for me, over all.
There was a Gambit preview in game a few weeks before Forsaken came out. Sleeper was the go to meta, one shotting to the body no matter what.
i genuinely want gambit prime to return, it'd be 10 times more enjoyable than what we had now, given some rebalancing anyway, as much as i love gambit, it annoys me i missed prime, which just sounds well...and looked, in every way more fun to gambit currently.
*2 playlists, 1 of every role a team, and any amount of any role*
They should bring back the initial launch gambit and re-ad gambit prime
Two things are needed to fix gambit.
1. Daily loadout requirements to keep meta builds from cheesing teams all the time.
2. Damage to the boss being dealt through a mechanic and not your weapons and abilities. This encourages team work and stops bosses being melted immediately.
Personally think Gambit's biggest problem is need trying to compensate two different gaming experiences and two varying different metas, it's like Noob Saibot's one fatality where he and his shadow grab his opponent by the legs then slowly rip them in half this is a perfect analogy for this game mode. Best way to balance the game mode is mid point in the match portal opens up sending invaders into mini map where from that moment on its Mano a mano, three PvE players dealing with the Primevil while the singles fight determines the stacking buff not the health of the Primevil. With every victory your pvp teammate obtains the higher your buff against the Primevil times five until the Primevil loses twenty percent then immunity phase invader gets called back rinse and repeat. Longer matches, invaders get to pvp and everyone else gets to PvE no toes stepped on, add champions during the immunity phases as a way to gate the invader portal, first team to kill all their champions gives their invader time to set up for the pvp round while the PvE players deal with blockers that spawn in everytime your invader loses a duel.
Give us less symmetrical maps and more maps and mixed enemy days and add incentives like strange coins but as a unique thing for drifter only that like allows you to shop at drifters black market allowing us to have a version of spider but with it's own unique currency from a gamemode make it balanced
bungie sitting on the perfect gambit game mode with gambit prime: "hmmm what if we added more glimmer after matches?"
I personally enjoyed having the option for normal gambit especially with some friends. Having it just be "boss damage" time instead of dealing with health gates is preferable sometimes.
Tbh my favorite was the 3 round mode, I missed out on the armor set bonuses but I feel as if they should be available for each game mode
When they sunset all the unique gambit loot that was worth grinding what did they think would happen lol. Literally the only incentive to play gambit is cosmetic items and a couple meh legendarys
I really like the health-gates, what I don’t like is the insane amount of heavy ammo there is. There should be far less. And kills should cause less health to go back to the primeval. I feel the pve part should be more important than the pvp
Yes. The invader is already skewing it to be PvP > PvE
True. A single invade can cause an entire team to fall apart, your team or the enemy team depending if your succeseful or not, and with the amount of heavy ammo and health gates just giving a huge time for teams to invade gambit feels more like Crucible these days
I love the healthgates. But maybe make Gambit Prime come back and lock them to there, so people just wanting to do bounties can just do normal gambit.
Also, Heavy Ammo is the problem. Heavy Ammo is what ruins the mode.
Kills causing the current amount of health to go back to the primeval would be fine if people didn't have the ability to consistently kill 2-4 players every invasion with low effort because of how strong heavy ammo weapons are.
Great vid
Gambit wants to make me scream geometrically
I know that Gambit can be a mixed bag. With the heavy ammo distribution not only in game, but with mods that can be exploited. I still use Thunderlord. I've come back from the brink of defeat and lost when victory was in hand because of said points. It's chaotic, but that's what Gambit is. I got back into it heavily during season of the plunder. It is fun, but it isn't for everyone.
As weird as it sounds I blame breakneck one of the original pinnacle weapons. Gambit was meant to be played in bursts but Bungie said hey play 50 matches for a non exotic exotic and by the end of the slog many people were done and tired with the mode having experienced it all, along with setting the pace and environment. Raid racers set the pace for encounters all the time and the terms we come up with day 1 sticks with the fanbase for the rest of the mode, ex dog cup sun axes were day 1 leviathan callouts and still are even in the dungeon. with the play 50 gambit matches for a nice auto rifle the trend was set for blitzing matches via wiping bosses, rocket tracking and linear fusions the enemy and getting matches done asap which has continued to this day.
Lol got breakneck in a day and kept playing. Old gambit felt different
I’ve always liked Gambit, even through all of its mishaps and reworks. I’m glad things got changed, such as the removal of the scorn and dreaming city maps (I vividly remember groaning whenever they came up in the rotation), and honestly, Gambit Prime felt like a bit much for me. However, at the same time, the original 3 round Gambit felt too long for a basic mode. It’s always been a difficult mode to like, especially now because of the serious problems with it in terms of exploits. I’ve gotten pretty sick of getting team-wiped by an eyes of tomorrow, or just being invaded in general because it can instantly throw off your game with no way to recover.
Back before beyond light, my biggest problem was 4 stacks of arc slam Titan supers melting the primeval. Now it’s people one-shotting the primeval.
i feel like literally brining back gambit prime will solve this hellhole of a gamemode... it was way more fun and rewarding. plus its more exciting than the actual base game. bungo, please bring it back. everybody wants it back...
I’m new to Destiny, been playing since first of February. I’m a solo player and tried Gambit. I had a lot of fun and was playing more than is probably normal for the average Destiny player. The changes at WQ were very meh. It’s a really cool idea for a game mode and could be legit, but, as you pointed out, the balance to not screw up PvP and PvE for others that don’t play is delicate. I wonder if it would be worth have as a stand alone load out to make it fun but not screw with other modes. Gambit only weapons and armor, but I just don’t see how that would be viable. Great video as always, and really appreciate you covering it.
As a newish player, how ya liking Destiny?
it fell when people realized how good sleeper was, literally week one/or two
I enjoyed gambit at first when it first came out fair it had its issues, sleeper, queenbreaker and then truth later on in opulence. I always enjoyed how it was done last time where there was no health gate it was just straight nuke the boss rewarding you for having a huge dps load out. I honestly believe there needs to be a banned load outs setting for it where we can vote to ban weapons that have tracking or ban snipers
Hype af for this video. Keep up the good work bro. Happy you were able to get this one out!
Loadout Rotations, going back to shorter rounds and certain amount of heavy per round. Do I use my heavy or ads, boss or invader/invading
Ur content is so goid
I played the hell out of Gambit when Forsaken first came out and loved it, minus the minor annoyance of getting Sleepered from across the map whenever somebody invaded. But the mode was fun, the loot was amazing (only weapon that I didn't feel was best in class was the Pillager SMG, that title went to the reworked Antiope), and finally getting the Spicy Meatball to spawn was great. Then I took a break from the game until Season of Arrivals, and while I played a couple of matches of Prime, it didn't really click for me the same way. Then, I left it alone until I think it was Season of the Lost, then played enough to get a couple of Servant Leaders. I wasn't impressed with the weird mish-mash of OG Gambit and Prime, so I didn't play too much. And most recently, I played again during Witch Queen, to get the new auto rifle to try out. I really want to go back to Gambit classic...
This should have been a 15 second video. It should have started with the release of gambit and ended with the release of gambit
Good thing I didn’t have to play too much gambit this season to get the weapons I wanted or at least some decent rolls on them
More like the rise and fall of EvanF. Can’t believe he treated his editors like that.
May i get an explanation?
I’m pretty young but I remember when I first played destiny 2 back during forsaken and remembering how fun old gambit was I really miss those old maps
I’m relatively new to destiny as a whole and I really like gambit I feel like it’s a really cool blend of pve and pvp and it’s super unique, I enjoy it but I think if it used to be in former glory that has fallen I’d like to see it get the polish it needs to go back to being glorious again
did you pay your editors 4 dollars for that thumbnail lmao
The thumbnail is as cursed as the drifter halloween mask
I think one of the top three most toxic things in destiny 2 was someone raiding with Truth and wiping your team which also healed all of the health back on your primeval.
It's still doable though, surprisingly. My friend and I kept killing an invader and I think we genuinely pissed them off because they began invading with Truth.
We still won the match, also
Might be the best thumbnail of all time
What an Average video. I hope the editors were compensated handsomely. And not 4$ ugly.
One of my favorite weapons came from Gambit--Nightwatch. It rolled with rapid hits and explosive payload.
The mode could be saved in a few ways I heard of some really good ideas for a rework 1. make invasions a 1v1 gulag type of situation who ever wins gets a lot of motes/heals the enemy boss for a set amount 2. Tweak or disable typical boss melting tactics you see in high end PVE think falling star, tractor cannon throwing hammer ect. 3. Add better loot to the pool the focusing was a great step in the right direction
evanf1997: "Have you seen this thumbnail?"
Me: I HAVE NOW!!!!!
Epic video
Try making a video about Warmind cells because I feel like they were a trademark build in destiny 2 with all the things that were possible with them.
Vault gambit add srl as a permanent playlist
I just love the intro music.
Idk if anyone else has pitched this before, but like why not make gambit prime kind of like trials. Weekend mode where a premade team is made to compete for amazing rewards
I got school and a state test in 4 hours 💀
Man I miss my collector armor set. Nothing was more satisfying than dropping a megablocker on the enemy. Or better yet all four of us dropping them at the same time.
As someone who hates gambit with a passion, seeing a video about how the mode is dying brings me a twisted kind of joy
The only thing I can think of to save the mode is for it to be a race against the other team without invasions. If you remove the need to balance the PvP side of things, it just becomes a strategy game of how to clear adds quickly and kill a boss. Change the invasion mechanic to either a mote collection phase carried out by one person, or introduce new mechanics altogether on mote dunks (radar removal, tankier enemies, etc). The invasion aspect of the game mode will ALWAYS be the most important, and if it stays in the game we will always have these issues of balance.
Gambit could work if it had no matchmaking and were tailored to the very endgame PvE AND PvP players, serving as the kind of Trials for the former like it was originally intended to. Back in Prime, a significant damage output was needed in order to even stand a chance due to both the boss HP and the many spawning Minibosses, raising the skill ceiling and giving a proper role to PvE build crafting and actual team strategies. This could be tuned even further with the addition of more threatening, Legend-Master tier enemies, given that it would be a pre-made activity, at which point focusing too much on invading would take away a lot from the team's ability to summon and damage the Primeval. Maybe even Champions could be used to balance teams' loadouts away from the best of the best PvP options. On the topic of invading, I believe one aspect of the approach taken with The Witch Queen could be used to great effect: the heavy crates. With less spawns per (longer) match, making them accessible only to one player and disabling other heavy ammo drops, it would again be a question of prioritizing either invading or raw damage output, if the boss had a large enough health pool for things like Anarchy or Lament to be a game changer when it comes to DPS. The act itself of invading would be somewhat more balanced with less frequent but more meaningful Invasions, that would be especially valuable and appropriately high risk high reward during the boss phase since it would risk one player's time to deny up to four's, which, again, on a higher difficulty level would be quite important with a much lesser or even non existent level of Primeval healing per kill.
But that's a bunch of ideas that would probably collapse at the many seams that would be introduced by some unforeseen use of somenew ability or weapon, not to mention whatever broken glitch were around, so... I'll leave it to Bungie who actually knows how to design games. \_(ツ)_/
never forget Mr. 4$
I jumped into gambit as soon as i was able when it first released, played a few matches, had fun, then didn't play it for a few weeks.
When i came back, it was always the same thing. Invaders oneshotting with anything that could, whether it was snipers, or heavy, or heavy snipers.
Played two matches, the only fun i had in those two, was when i juked an invader trying to snipe me with Whisper. I knew he could see my nameplate, so i couldn't win a peek fight. So i peeked anyway, immediately crouched, whisper bullet went right over my head, and i hid behind the pillar again.
Never went back into gambit of my own will.
could u do the history of bungie? im just wondering what happened to the dudes that made halo
I love the drifter too bad his game mode isn’t fun or atleast I wish it was better
I miss Gambit Prime. I also miss Kell's Grave, which was one of my favorite maps.
I feel like one small thing you overlooked, and what really killed gambit for me, a former gambit lover, was the Truth rocket being added. It literally dominated EVERY match, invasions impossible if you didn’t have one as you’d get instakilled by one in nanoseconds.
He coverd it when he mentioned galijhorn
This is what happens when drifter lets zavala and shaxx give him ideas
Didn't even ask the Gambit Gamers about Gambit info bruh
I always wondered what it would have been like with the invasion aspect gone and have more indirect ways to disrupt opponents so sending different types of enemies other than just the blockers or sending buffs to enemies and stuff then it could have just been balanced around the pve side of things
It should be like a raid race. Teams are put on raid encounters with each time racing to finish first with motes acting as debuffs for the enemy team to mess with them.
@@AxisChurchDevotee yeah this would be cool aswell
Whatever happened to the Twitter beef with Evan and one of his old Editors? I thought everyone was done with Evan? Explain.
Damn I miss that tangled shore map
I have a problem the only time i enjoyed gambit was gambit prime and even with this power creep it made me want to play other parts of the game
I went back in this season grinding since they brought the shaders back, once I got gambit jadestone to drop I dropped gambit
The only things I miss from Gambit are my Dreaded Venture(which I got *super* early on, I loved that sniper) and my Parcel of Stardust(which I also got super early on)
Those two guns were great
They felt great, they looked great, sounded great
I miss them
I also miss SRL, even if it came back as a weekly thing a la Iron Bananer I'd be kinda happy
I needed one pinnacle and decided to play gambit like 2 months ago…. That was the last day I played D2 other than doing some raids with friends.
I loved the previous version of gambit and it was the first iteration I played with my friends. I was mostly a pvp player at the time, but i got frustrated with people just playing the meta all the time, so I gave gambit a chance. I eventually learned the game mode and really started to like the appeal of it being mostly pve with some element of pvp. To me, gambit was a speed run with some strategy involved (invading and decision to hold or bank motes) and I liked it for it. Games were quick which I liked because it meant i could grind for more gear and exp. I found the special and heavy ammo economy quite fair as well.
This iteration of gambit turned me off right away. Too many invasions, long drawn out games, plentiful special + heavy ammo, etc made me stop playing it entirely.
Invasion swap was not good in the slightest. Everytime that invasion portal opened, you knew the other team was waiting to Nuke you with rockets from across the map.
wym invasion swap isn't the issue it only makes the risk of your team losing all your motes next to none. heavy is just not meant to be used in any pvp environment
Fitting the video about the degen grind is up during degen hours
I think it is apparent that the most egregious aspect of Gambit is heavy ammo. The only change I can suggest is a little strong, but it is worth a shot.
I propose a Gambit Labs mode where invaders cannot use heavy ammo. It may seem lopsided in terms of balance, but the game has been in favor of invaders for too long. The invaded team can use their heavy to take out the invader or spend it on boss DPS, their choice. Invaders have to actually work for kills instead of spamming rockets or whatever future heavy weapon comes to the game.
If Bungie is going to spend time experimenting with Gambit, they might as well experiment with this. Getting killed over and over with easy-to-use power weapons is not the spirit of Gambit, and all Bungie has done with heavy ammo changes is make it guaranteed that invaders will use it.
Possible bold idea...... But I like it. At least it would show that they are making a real effort to improve the issue of the severe advantage the invader has