Somewhere in Eastern Romania : Peasant 1 - "I had a barrel of alcohol from last year and I sold it." Peasant 2 - "What did you get for it ?" Peasant 1 - "This here Russian cannon" Peasant 2 - "... what will we do with all them cannons ?"
As someone who makes short-documentary style videos, I really appreciate the amount of research and attention to detail that is paid by this channel! Love ya Indy!
I think these videos have been really eye opening to me about how the bolsheviks were as a group. As soon as someone thinks of something different they are either silenced or shot which goes against the principles that they support. This isn't to say the imperials were any less ruthless but it goes to show that unfortunately this situation has no simple evil as it appears to be on both sides.
Well done. I think I have, but youtube has reset and I can't see which old videos I've viewed or not. To truly complete the set, I will need to watch them ALL again. Nice.
At 6:06 Indy mentions a "military camp at [Lasi]", in Romania. Could he mean Iași, pronounced [Yash] (same [a] as heard in the video)? I like these videos!
That quote about warfare being organized murder is one of the best quotes you've used in the history of this show. Seriously, that is some serious truth with a poetic and philosophical insight on par with Terrence Malick.
Great fact-filled episode, well worth waiting for. You can watch this over and over to digest what went on in Petrograd, and Romania. Thanks! Btw, that´s Lenin, his partner Krupsakya and Lenin´s sister Maria Ulyanova in the open car at 8:22.
“Or something like that. I’m sure you’ll correct me.” Lesson to be learned: even if you’re not sure about something, folks, be confident in not knowing it! It’s helped me out many a time in public speaking situations.
Could you guys talk about South Arabia during the war? I recently read into things such as the battle of Lahej. And I found it interesting that this general area was in ottoman control during the duration of the war
Great series 👍 Off topic great grandfather served with aef with a light railways company Any chance of a video about narrow gauge railroads or books suggestions
Funny thing is, as bad as Stalin was. He was probably the best one for the job. He at least kept the soviets to themselves, too busy being terrified at home to spread the revolution as others wished
Jakob Maier This happened in a unique context. WW2 was coming to an end. they were allied to the only people who could object. Still it is true they did eventually seek to expand when they built up their strength
“There was a great Marxist called Lenin Who did two or three million men in. That’s a lot to have done in, But where he did one in That grand Marxist Stalin did ten in.” - Robert Conquest
Hey! I've been watching and enjoying your show for the past 2 years. However, I have a small question for OOTT: How did the British/ Allies react to the German "Beutepanzer" and the german use of tanks? We always hear about the terror tanks first caused amongst the german lines, however there seems to be very little information 'the other way around'. Thanks!
The picture at 5:06 is out of context. There it presents Carol II of Romania witch had nothing to deal with the first world war, but rather with the second world war
Great series! I intend to watch all episodes! Thanks and congrats! (5.61 an error: General Dmitry Grigoryevich Shcherbachev was not Romanian, but Russian.)
Hi Indy and his entourage I really love this show and the details of stuff you do no other channel really like on ww2 unfortunately but I was wondering if you could tell me ww1 museums around Europe would really be helpful (PS this is for OOTT)
Hi Indy and team, It took me about 1.5 months to watch every video until I finally caught up and I was saving this question all along to ask under a newly uploaded video, so here it goes: Were there already some sort of rocket launchers in use in the First World War? I'm not referring to projectiles fired by artillery or mortars, but rather to portable mechanisms that needed fewer men to operate like the "modern" RPG-7. Greetings from neighbouring Potsdam!
GREAT WAR, First of all big fan of the channel, I can’t seem to find any Lithuanian divisions or regiments in ww1. Plz let me know bc I can’t find the answer!!
I think that would not offer much. All it would have been, I expect, is about how they acted as both sides' banker, and the guy everyone works with their countries' credit and finance with. They have always been doing this for eons. It is also why they are neutral. They have to be, or half the world's nations would quit doing credit, banking, and their nations' finances with. It would hurt their economy and others. No real news in that.
You are repeating the usual simplified stereotypes. The time of WW I was a time of crisis in Switzerland too and brought about many changes. Things to mention: The strategic situation before the war (danger of invasion) and the Kaisers visit 1912 , tensions between French and German parts, later social tensions and social unrest, Lenin in Zürich, Dadaism as cultural response to the War, big general strike after the war. I mean if Sweden and the Netherlands got a special episode, why not Switzerland?
You know alot morre about this topic than I do. If you made a video I would watch it. It might not be exciting enough for this team to dedicate a special to though. So much ground to cover with this war.
I have read that if an officer resigned his commission in wartime he was liable to be conscripted as a private. This happened to Max Plowman whom you quoted; he successfully appealed against being conscripted.
6:03 I think you misread that one. It's not "Lassy" it's "Iassy" or "Jassy" , but a more local name would be "Iași" pronounced "Yash" (although I don't expect anyone to know how to pronounce local names).
Pro-German movement was actually rather late in upper classes of Finland during the war. True, ties to Germany were old: German was the language of science then, not English. Most Finnish research was published in German until 1950´s. But during the war years 1914-1916 most Finns (not including activists, who became first jaegers) were loyal to Russia. The industry was booming, thanks to Russian demand, and fortification works employed thousands of people. Russian navy was destroyed in 1905 in Russo-Japanese war, so there was no strong navy to protect Petrograd: there were many fortifications works around Finland in case of a German invasion. Many of those forts were actually used during civil war of 1918, for example in battle of Tampere. Until 1917 most Finns believed that the Russians (with Great Britain and France) would win the war. By showing their support to Russia, most Finns hoped that the "second russification" (first was 1899-1905) of Finland would be stopped, because there would be no need to make Finland "more loyal". The revolution in March 1917 created a whole lot of problems, which eventually led to independence, civil war and made the Whites ally with Germany. There was actually talk during April 1917 with the Socialdemocrat Party and jaegers, if the latter were willing to help the lefts. This "honey moon" was short, though. About 20 jaegers were left to Germany in February 1918 because they were judged to be politically unreliable.
Hey indiana you should check out the Hohensalzburg Castle in salzburg Austria, they have a lot of WW1 items in their museum and would make a great video
Can people calm down in the comments section about politics? “I wish the bullet hit”, *something incomprehensible about Communism being bad*, *something about unethical Capitalism* why don’t you people just thank The Great War for being here and uploading weekly content for us to enjoy. “No, must spread hate”
Hey so I was wondering if you could address how major infrastructure such as canals, damns, bridges where handled in the war. Usually bridges where destroyed by the defending nation if retreating, but for example the suez could be of vital interest to the ottomans so how where these addressed by the nations? where there times they wanted to seize these works or where there ever intentional attacks for these infrastructures or where some even sabotaged? Thank you keep up the good work.
Suez canal was never reached by the Ottomans. They made a failed attempt to grab it right at the start of the war which merely provoked the British into attacking Palestine to keep it safe.
As a side note, British Ambassador to the USA, Cecil Spring-Rice is replaced in Mid-January. He was an influential figure in pushing Wilson to bring the USA into the war. Before he left he altered a poem he wrote in 1912. The second verse would serve as the hymn 'I vow to thee my country.' This is the first verse of the original 1912 poem, when war was romantically portrayed as glorious. I heard my country calling, away across the sea, Across the waste of waters, she calls and calls to me. Her sword is girded at her side, her helmet on her head, And around her feet are lying the dying and the dead; I hear the noise of battle, the thunder of her guns; I haste to thee, my mother, a son among thy sons.
You guys have talked alot about rosovelt could you perhaps do a special about Carnegie, Since he was a very influential figure and was one of the key figures in the worls trying to broker a peace between nations and prevent the world war, as well as Rosovelt pretty much being his peace puppet
I just read that Lenin was really fit, like he exercised daily. That is what allowed him to survive the second assassination attempt. The more you know I guess.
Can somebody bring me up to speed with the romanian situation? What happend to them after the october revolution up till now exactly? I feel I missed something.
Sure the soviet side would be published during that time in Russia, but one can only imagine the constant thuggery & turmoil the second true socialist uprising the world ever experienced, the first being the French Revolution.
Wondering how much alcohol one could barter for in exchange for a 100mm howitzer gun back in 1918? Could only imagine that exchange. Bartender: here's the bill for your company's alcohol. Russian soldier: Sorry comrade, out of rubles. Do you accept payment in heavy artillery?
A note on your pronunciation of the city of Iasi in Romania. The S in this case is pronounced like the Shhh sound (as in be quite). You might spell it (phonetically) as Iashh.
I tried to tell them that they are not pronouncing Romanian properly... "We don't speak all 20 languages featured on this show" - at least try not to offend people!
Indiana Neidell no, I am an idiot, I didn't realize how mean that comment was... I'm very sorry, I see now that I was that annoying guy who hated for not doing things perfectly...I'll stop doing stupid things like this, I'll think from the other one's perspective too. You are doing hard work and I was in that little group which hated you for anything...
Something something communists and assassination attempts
Exter lol
Comment section in a nutshell.
Like they said : It's more complex than something something...
Basically every grand strategy game with commies
Yo
"Armed with vast numbers of sandwiches and candles" may be the single greatest line in all of history.
That describes many people I know during a power outage: "Armed with a vast number of sandwiches and candles"...
Shneemaster OCDubs To the German Commander
NUTS!
From The American Commander
Is it only me who thinks that line sounds too British?
5:40 just imaging a russian soldier trying to sell his artillery to random romanian peasants as "Farming equipment" or something xD
Somewhere in Eastern Romania :
Peasant 1 - "I had a barrel of alcohol from last year and I sold it."
Peasant 2 - "What did you get for it ?"
Peasant 1 - "This here Russian cannon"
Peasant 2 - "... what will we do with all them cannons ?"
marsch to Berlin
Thanks for pointing that out, English is my 4th language, I sometimes miss a letter.
You are a scholar and a gentleman.
Can't see the joke
Well, I guess we could set up a regiment and try shelling Petrograd...
As someone who makes short-documentary style videos, I really appreciate the amount of research and attention to detail that is paid by this channel! Love ya Indy!
Your videos are phenomenal dude!
Even if the assassins would have succeeded in killing Lenin, cat was out of the bag. Trotsky or whomever would have been ready to step into its place.
He would have, but without Lenin the morale of the Bolsheviks would have collapsed, I doubt they would be able to win the Civil War.
Yeah this scenario is explored in the HOI4 Kaiserreich mod.
Jamathis Yea. I think that mod has the best lore out there.
wood1155 Not likely, Trotsky was just as ruthless as Stalin.
Elgar Trotsky was different ruthless to both Lenin and Stalin. But yes he probably would have been as bad.
I think these videos have been really eye opening to me about how the bolsheviks were as a group. As soon as someone thinks of something different they are either silenced or shot which goes against the principles that they support. This isn't to say the imperials were any less ruthless but it goes to show that unfortunately this situation has no simple evil as it appears to be on both sides.
Louis Attenborough
To quote CPGgrey "ruling a country takes less people than conquering it"
very commonplace in revolutions, one side starts out as idealistic to fight oppression, but become the oppression themselves, at least for awhile.
"If you took the most ardent revolutionary, vested him with absolute power, within a year he'll be worse than the Tsar himself."
-Mikhail Bakunin
They're communists, you expected different from them? This always happens with their revolutions virtually without exception.
Well its hard not to behave like that when the whole world is bent to kill you and crush all you stand for
Shcherbachev was a russian general, not a romanian one.
Indy, i have spent many months catching up on this show which is THE BEST EVER. thanks so much 👋😁
Minor correction: Mannerheim went by Gustaf, not Carl, for short.
Well guys, it took me nearly 2 years, but I finally did it. I’m all caught up on all of Indie’s videos.
gratz!
Well done. I think I have, but youtube has reset and I can't see which old videos I've viewed or not. To truly complete the set, I will need to watch them ALL again. Nice.
Almost there myself. I need to see 10 months of war in a month to watch the Armistice in "real-time"
Finally up to date with this great series!
Thanks for all your hard work, it's the best channel on youtube in my opinion.
Your whole work is SUPERB.... THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!!
BLOODY BRILLIANT, INDY! Yet another week just nailed. Keep it, please - pure joy. Many thanks.
The part of the title saying "Chaos in Romania" confused me, I thought for a second you were referring to the present and not the century old past.
Luci Micle all the same different time
I thought Romania was Chaos. Oh boy was I wrong.
At 6:06 Indy mentions a "military camp at [Lasi]", in Romania. Could he mean Iași, pronounced [Yash] (same [a] as heard in the video)?
I like these videos!
The comments will just be delightful, I'm sure.
+drop ammo please How's mark's comment *triggered* ?
Hi Indy & Crew! No mention about large worker strikes in Austria this week (100years ago) and next week in large cities of the empire?!
next week. we always look back at the last 7 days
What about a "Who did what" on C.G Mannerheim? That would be interesting!
These thumpnail are too good! long time follower, keep up the amazing work :)
That quote about warfare being organized murder is one of the best quotes you've used in the history of this show. Seriously, that is some serious truth with a poetic and philosophical insight on par with Terrence Malick.
Great fact-filled episode, well worth waiting for. You can watch this over and over to digest what went on in Petrograd, and Romania. Thanks! Btw, that´s Lenin, his partner Krupsakya and Lenin´s sister Maria Ulyanova in the open car at 8:22.
What a great series
Doing this in school at the moment this is so useful thanks.
glad to be of service
“Or something like that. I’m sure you’ll correct me.”
Lesson to be learned: even if you’re not sure about something, folks, be confident in not knowing it! It’s helped me out many a time in public speaking situations.
Make a video about Miklós Horthy please.
The quote by Ploughman really sums it up, metaphysically, pataphysically and macrologically...
Few words from the Western Front this week. Seems like all's quiet there.
A.k.a, thousands of people dying instead of tens of thousands. Quiet is relative i suppose xD
Arcadia the day the hero died it was “All Quite on the Western Front”
"Sell artillery for food and ALCOHOL"
Damn you Russians just can't live without alcohol
Its Birthday today so thanks The Great War team
Happy Birthday
Could you guys talk about South Arabia during the war? I recently read into things such as the battle of Lahej. And I found it interesting that this general area was in ottoman control during the duration of the war
Powerful quote at the end!!!
At 5:06 is that king Carol the 2nd the king who would rule Romania during world war 2?
Great series 👍
Off topic great grandfather served with aef with a light railways company
Any chance of a video about narrow gauge railroads or books suggestions
Caught up. Time to watch more specials now.
The assassin should have shot Stalin, instead.
He was still a nobody at this time.
Artus Barris no.
why do you think that?
Funny thing is, as bad as Stalin was. He was probably the best one for the job. He at least kept the soviets to themselves, too busy being terrified at home to spread the revolution as others wished
Barney Collington
>All of Eastern Europe
>China
Jakob Maier This happened in a unique context. WW2 was coming to an end. they were allied to the only people who could object. Still it is true they did eventually seek to expand when they built up their strength
Great video. Great job.
6:55 the guy to the far left, I love his facial expression he is like "Holy shit what kind of a crazy contraption is this!"
“There was a great Marxist called Lenin
Who did two or three million men in.
That’s a lot to have done in,
But where he did one in
That grand Marxist Stalin did ten in.” - Robert Conquest
Hey!
I've been watching and enjoying your show for the past 2 years. However, I have a small question for OOTT:
How did the British/ Allies react to the German "Beutepanzer" and the german use of tanks? We always hear about the terror tanks first caused amongst the german lines, however there seems to be very little information 'the other way around'.
Thanks!
The picture at 5:06 is out of context. There it presents Carol II of Romania witch had nothing to deal with the first world war, but rather with the second world war
Great series! I intend to watch all episodes! Thanks and congrats!
(5.61 an error: General Dmitry Grigoryevich Shcherbachev was not Romanian, but Russian.)
again, Romania is fighting on all fronts :)
edwrow and loosing.
Actualy Romania won, they captured Budapest on 1919 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian%E2%80%93Romanian_War
|Keeping a country this big alive near three major powers is win in my book
@@willdavey2237 Marasti, Marasesti and Ouituz
At 3:31, why is there a Korean flag pictured in the rally?
Great video
Hi Indy and his entourage I really love this show and the details of stuff you do no other channel really like on ww2 unfortunately but I was wondering if you could tell me ww1 museums around Europe would really be helpful (PS this is for OOTT)
Love that desk!
nice g98 ammo pouches and belt, I recently bought a beat up one, mud stains all over it, pretty confident it saw combat
Hi Indy and team,
It took me about 1.5 months to watch every video until I finally caught up and I was saving this question all along to ask under a newly uploaded video, so here it goes:
Were there already some sort of rocket launchers in use in the First World War? I'm not referring to projectiles fired by artillery or mortars, but rather to portable mechanisms that needed fewer men to operate like the "modern" RPG-7.
Greetings from neighbouring Potsdam!
Awsome quote at the end
GREAT WAR, First of all big fan of the channel, I can’t seem to find any Lithuanian divisions or regiments in ww1. Plz let me know bc I can’t find the answer!!
Speaking of the Swiss Communist: Have you ever considered doing a country special about Switzerland during the war?
I think that would not offer much. All it would have been, I expect, is about how they acted as both sides' banker, and the guy everyone works with their countries' credit and finance with. They have always been doing this for eons. It is also why they are neutral. They have to be, or half the world's nations would quit doing credit, banking, and their nations' finances with. It would hurt their economy and others. No real news in that.
You are repeating the usual simplified stereotypes. The time of WW I was a time of crisis in Switzerland too and brought about many changes. Things to mention: The strategic situation before the war (danger of invasion) and the Kaisers visit 1912 , tensions between French and German parts, later social tensions and social unrest, Lenin in Zürich, Dadaism as cultural response to the War, big general strike after the war. I mean if Sweden and the Netherlands got a special episode, why not Switzerland?
You know alot morre about this topic than I do. If you made a video I would watch it. It might not be exciting enough for this team to dedicate a special to though. So much ground to cover with this war.
What might be an awesome is one on the biggest what ifs from the war.
I have read that if an officer resigned his commission in wartime he was liable to be conscripted as a private. This happened to Max Plowman whom you quoted; he successfully appealed against being conscripted.
That would be a great special. The 1st infantry division
We were on the verge of greatness, we were this close
I really hope y'all do an episode on the Battle of Belleau Wood.
6:03 I think you misread that one. It's not "Lassy" it's "Iassy" or "Jassy" , but a more local name would be "Iași" pronounced "Yash" (although I don't expect anyone to know how to pronounce local names).
Pro-German movement was actually rather late in upper classes of Finland during the war. True, ties to Germany were old: German was the language of science then, not English. Most Finnish research was published in German until 1950´s. But during the war years 1914-1916 most Finns (not including activists, who became first jaegers) were loyal to Russia.
The industry was booming, thanks to Russian demand, and fortification works employed thousands of people. Russian navy was destroyed in 1905 in Russo-Japanese war, so there was no strong navy to protect Petrograd: there were many fortifications works around Finland in case of a German invasion. Many of those forts were actually used during civil war of 1918, for example in battle of Tampere.
Until 1917 most Finns believed that the Russians (with Great Britain and France) would win the war. By showing their support to Russia, most Finns hoped that the "second russification" (first was 1899-1905) of Finland would be stopped, because there would be no need to make Finland "more loyal".
The revolution in March 1917 created a whole lot of problems, which eventually led to independence, civil war and made the Whites ally with Germany. There was actually talk during April 1917 with the Socialdemocrat Party and jaegers, if the latter were willing to help the lefts. This "honey moon" was short, though. About 20 jaegers were left to Germany in February 1918 because they were judged to be politically unreliable.
1:22 გაუმარჯოს მესამე...
8:34 a big what?
Take care
Hey indiana you should check out the Hohensalzburg Castle in salzburg Austria, they have a lot of WW1 items in their museum and would make a great video
Can people calm down in the comments section about politics? “I wish the bullet hit”, *something incomprehensible about Communism being bad*, *something about unethical Capitalism* why don’t you people just thank The Great War for being here and uploading weekly content for us to enjoy. “No, must spread hate”
You really need to make a Who did what-video on Mannerheim! Even as he shows up in weekly videos, it would be cool!
Learned a lot from this video. I knew things were chaotic but not this chaotic. Too bad the comment section can only focus on the title.
Hey so I was wondering if you could address how major infrastructure such as canals, damns, bridges where handled in the war. Usually bridges where destroyed by the defending nation if retreating, but for example the suez could be of vital interest to the ottomans so how where these addressed by the nations? where there times they wanted to seize these works or where there ever intentional attacks for these infrastructures or where some even sabotaged? Thank you keep up the good work.
Suez canal was never reached by the Ottomans. They made a failed attempt to grab it right at the start of the war which merely provoked the British into attacking Palestine to keep it safe.
Love it.
I believe it is Iasi, not Lasi Mr Naidell. (6.05).
the Soviets traded their artillery for vodka? why am I not surprised...
well, to be fair. it was russian artillery....................
As a side note, British Ambassador to the USA, Cecil Spring-Rice is replaced in Mid-January. He was an influential figure in pushing Wilson to bring the USA into the war. Before he left he altered a poem he wrote in 1912. The second verse would serve as the hymn 'I vow to thee my country.'
This is the first verse of the original 1912 poem, when war was romantically portrayed as glorious.
I heard my country calling, away across the sea,
Across the waste of waters, she calls and calls to me.
Her sword is girded at her side, her helmet on her head,
And around her feet are lying the dying and the dead;
I hear the noise of battle, the thunder of her guns;
I haste to thee, my mother, a son among thy sons.
You guys have talked alot about rosovelt could you perhaps do a special about Carnegie, Since he was a very influential figure and was one of the key figures in the worls trying to broker a peace between nations and prevent the world war, as well as Rosovelt pretty much being his peace puppet
"Both's sides machinations about Finland" nice to know that nothing has changed in 100 years
Finally caught up.
Possibly cover the dying days of the old west in the usa if you ever read thi thanks for the great show and days of info on the war
HERE WE GO!!!!
Too bad it didn't take the whole finger.
*Lenin gets attacked*
*Gets home*
*Opens laptop*
*www.youtube.com*
I Almost died! (not clickbait)
Marian213 10/10
(GUN PULLED)
Finally caught up. Does that mean i will have to WAIT for the videos like some commoner?! *sighs*
cool desk
will TGW do a bio on Hungarian ruler Miklós Horthy???
he was in the Royal Navy until Hungary became a landlocked nation
Imperial Navy (ie Austro-Hungarian) - in fact he was wounded in battle and then became its Commander-in-Chief. Can't see him as an British Admiral.
Hey folks! Why is the account of the Constituent assembly different in this video than in Victor Serge's Year One?
because historical sources vary and historical facts don't always line up or even exist for future generations to piece together.
I just read that Lenin was really fit, like he exercised daily. That is what allowed him to survive the second assassination attempt. The more you know I guess.
Can somebody bring me up to speed with the romanian situation? What happend to them after the october revolution up till now exactly? I feel I missed something.
Will the civil war in Russia be covered in details? Perhaps the same way you guys have covered the many fronts in the conflict so far?
korean flag at 3:33 ??????
Watching a history channel and continuing to hope that the losing side will win
A who did what episode on Mannerheim would be amazing!
Hi Indy, there were few wars after WW1 in Europe, will you follow them up as well ?
Can some one help me out, I am looking for books about the Eastern Front and the Russian Revolution can anyone suggest titles?
Maybe try “The peoples tragedy” for a book on the revolution
will post some tomorrow for you
Sure the soviet side would be published during that time in Russia, but one can only imagine the constant thuggery & turmoil the second true socialist uprising the world ever experienced, the first being the French Revolution.
I have a question can you do more on the big flamethrowers
Please talk about the Romanian Air Force.. especially the exploits of Pilot Nicolae Tanase and his bombing raids.
I was wondering could you tell us about the mutiny’s in France during the war like the ones in the nivelle offensive and what made them start please??
there are episodes about that
Wait, I thought he was assassinated by Mark David Chapman in 1980?
Wondering how much alcohol one could barter for in exchange for a 100mm howitzer gun back in 1918? Could only imagine that exchange.
Bartender: here's the bill for your company's alcohol.
Russian soldier: Sorry comrade, out of rubles. Do you accept payment in heavy artillery?
Will you guys do a WW2 series after this one ends? Would be awesome!
The big red one?
Did the Russians go back to fighting, sort I’m a little confused
0:06 And the world very nearly rejoices
.....So when does the war start making sense?
A note on your pronunciation of the city of Iasi in Romania. The S in this case is pronounced like the Shhh sound (as in be quite). You might spell it (phonetically) as Iashh.
I tried to tell them that they are not pronouncing Romanian properly... "We don't speak all 20 languages featured on this show" - at least try not to offend people!
Indiana Neidell no, I am an idiot, I didn't realize how mean that comment was... I'm very sorry, I see now that I was that annoying guy who hated for not doing things perfectly...I'll stop doing stupid things like this, I'll think from the other one's perspective too. You are doing hard work and I was in that little group which hated you for anything...