Civil War in Finland and Ukraine I THE GREAT WAR Week 183
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- This week in the Great War, two more wars start - the Finnish Civil War and the Ukrainian War of Independence. Meanwhile, David Lloyd George pulls some strings in France, even as Ludendorff settles on a target for Germany’s upcoming Spring Offensive.
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I’m gonna miss this channel after the war ends
German Empire we will miss you too
German Empire they are going to do ww2 as well
Not as much as you'll miss the Kaiser
They're gonna do WW2 so I'm happy
Im getting all teary
"This is not going to end well". The war didn't started out well for the past three years.
Yeah... but this is going to get very messy very soon. Well.... March 21st.
Small trivia: The battle of Imbros saw the first participation of the Greek Air Force (still named Hellenic Naval Air Service) in the war. Aristeidis Moraitinis, the only Greek ace of the war, scored 3 aerial victories in this day.
Εκεί που δείχνει στο 2:07
Interesting, what type of aircraft did he fly?
+George Zupko Sopwith Camel
at last !
V. Athanasiou do you know his total aerial victories
8:54. That quote is extremely, extremely important.
It signals that Ludendorff did not believe in the operational level of command. In the years leading up to WW1 there was a discussion inside the German officer corps about the growing gap between strategy and tactics. There was discussion whether this gap should be filled with something the Germans called "operativ". This gap had been there for centuries without anybody filling it properly. Napoleon his style of command allowed for a proto-operational level of command which explains a good part of his success in beating numerically superior enemies. Molkte "the elder" refined this some more and got somewhat close to true operational level of command.
The aim of operational level of command is breaching the gap between tactical victory and achieving strategical goals. Winning a battle is fine, but if you can't exploit this victory, then it is useless. Entering just about any battle of WW1. Tactical victory's where seldom exploited because there was no concrete consideration about what to do after a tactical victory. Sending the cavalry to exploit in doesn't count. That is no plan, that is a hollow statement. No, what is the cavalry supposed to achieve? Objectives? Point of encirclement? Logistics? Timetables? Reinforcements? Those factors matter, a lot.
This all needs to be considered by a general staff before the offensive begins. If you don't do this, then turning tactical success into strategic victory will be extremely difficult.
It would the the Soviets who would finally formalize operational level of command. They would eventually execute this in a devastating fashion in 1944-1945 against the Germans. The Germans themselves where an interesting mixed bag. Operational level of command was never adopted in the Wehrmacht. It could not have been with Hitler his downright non-existent grasp of military matters or the many incompetent men put in charge because they would not speak up to him.
The ideas of operational command are however reflected by some of Germany, and overal best generals of WW2. Men like Manstein or Guderian defiantly grasped operational level of command. They knew how to exploit a victory. However, they where not the majority. If you want to blame one aspect for Germany's failure during WW2, then it would be this.
The same can be said about WW1. The German army time after time displayed being able to force a tactical victory against just about any opponent in the opening stages of an offensive. They never exploited it to the fullest and then battles turned into endless attrition. If they did exploit properly, they might have won.
Very interesting, thank you for your post!
"Operational" as a bridge between Strategic and Tactical? Wow...and here I thought I had learned a fair bit about military-related matters...time for a lot more reading!
ITS Not the Germans fault the whole Word enterd
As a Karelian you cant even imagine how interesting this episode was. i Have so many family stories from the finish Civil war.
there will be more in the future, fascinating for sure.
Well, Yes and no we have our own unique culture, but our religion is eastern orthodox and we follow all Slavic traditions.
Trust me mate, i will count the seconds until the next episode, just a Question, will you go into the stories of Admiral Kolchak and the white guard? The early connections with The Tsarists government that supported the Finnish Government? The Mannerheim duty in ww1 in the Russian Service and the Finnish Civil war? it might be a Nice Video Idea.
PLEASE do an special on the Rahja brothers !!!
Николай Казаков, and yet you did not notice that the Finnish map STILL is incorrect?
After binge watching the entire series so far over the course of a few months, this is finally the first episode I am watching as the events unfolded 100 years ago!
good job
Been following from the beginning, how can you pass by a historian named Indy:)
also following:
www.arthurlinfoot.org.uk/
news.dorsetforyou.gov.uk/rsm-beck-diary/
few months? its been two weeks and im almost done
Civil War in Russia
Civil War in Ukraine
Civil War in Finland
What’s next?
Indiana Jones china
Civil war in Switzerland?
Indiana Jones civil war in Mexico
Galactic Civil War
Civil War between Team Captain America and Team Iron Man!
Lloyd George could have told Craig "No offensives until I have film of you, with your shiny boots, on foot reconnoitering every square meter of mud you want to attack...Oh and make your entire staff is with slopping through the sticky mud!!!"
Now even history channels make 10:01 videos :D Well, Your channel deserve those extra ads :)
There's only one ad and all of their vids are right around 10 minutes long. many also a little shorter then 10 minutes.
Thats only a thing if they put more than one ad on the video
no, it doesnt work like that
So Finland, you JUST got your own country and you already have a civil war? You are a quick learner! =D
well, you know, commies...
Opposed by German lovers with big ambitions...
There were a lot of civil wars... including almost-practically-a-civil-war-in-all-but-name in Germany after the war too. Chaos gets very messy.
No commies at this point. A power vacuum (no army or police force) mixed with the threat of a serious famine was enough to inflame the divisions already present in the society.
PUNAKAARTI
RED GUARD
Even knowing what comes next, I'm still inclined to side with Lloyd George on this. Perhaps there were better ways of curtailing Haig, but in the delicate political climate at the time those risks don't seem worth it. Hindsight is 20/20, and having more troops at the front for the upcoming German attack seems like a no brainer now. But who knows what would have happened if those British home troops had been churned up at the front before the Spring Offensive, the effect that would have had on morale across all troops on the Western Front. The more men and guns Haig is given, the more get extirpated seeing what sticks.
"What happened to all the ethic Ukrainians?"
-the world
Soviets shrugs shoulders
Paul is an example of your mind on communism....must be from a lack of food
Dipankar Paul Lol criticizing the soviets isn't tacit acceptance of fascism.
Ukrainians, Kulaks, so hard to tell the difference (sadly :( )
Clearly they were the wrong kind of proletariat. (sarcasm, obviously)
Александр Пахомов Some Russian alternative history?
Just a thought
As the final episode draws nearer, I was thinking that it could be done live (dunno how it would work with animations) ending with a minute of silence at 11:00 in whatever time zone the treaty was signed.
Opinions anyone?
Calcow14 might be difficult to organise (especially with outtakes and the like) but a very nice idea.
Fractite yea production quality would go down a bit but it would be quite fitting and a nice ending
Timezone: Central European Time? (GMT -1 hour)
11:11 not 11:00
Maybe they could time there discussion of the treaty to end with a moment of silence at the 11:11 time instead? It would make for a fitting tribute to the end of the war and all the men who died.
I always wondered why Ludendorff never set an objective for his Spring Offensive. It seems like if he did have an objective set, the Offensive might have broken the English.
Ludendorff based the his expected outcome of Spring Offensive success on conditions of Eastern Front where German generals constantly updated the objectives due to vast space to maneuver on Polish/Russian plains and German abilty to maneuver and advance fast without opposition after breakthrough. It never occured to him that trying to advance on Western Front even after achieving breakthrough of enemy defense line might be problematic at best if enemy (British) conducts a fighting retreat instead , has intact communication and supply lines in rear and German logistics can not keep up with tempo of offensive.
merdiolu by that it seems like he thought he was still fighting Russians.
yes you might say that.
Not just "English". The UK's Prime Minister Lloyd George was Welsh, and military commander-in-chief Haig was Scottish. Scottish troops in the UK army suffered double the casualty rates of English. You do them a disservice.
English doesn't seem to be his first language even if it's good. You know what he meant.
In defense of Lloyd George, part of his thinking might well have been: "Every time I give Haig the men he asks for, he dreams up stupid offensives (with cavalry charges through the mud!) that get them slaughtered for basically no gain. I can't remove Haig, but I can force him to fight efficiently and defensively by refusing his request for more men."
As for the "futile" fronts of Mesopotamia and Palestine, it would not be unreasonably to notice that the British had been making advances on those fronts, and going absolutely nowhere on the Western Front, which would make those fronts far less futile than the Western Front. Someone like Lloyd George would be noticing things like "If I keep pushing through Palestine and Mesopotamia, there's a decent chance I can do serious damage to the Ottomans or even knock them out of the war completely. Whereas if I try to push in France or Belgium, that's just going to get bogged down in the mud." Which would you pick?
thexalon The snag of your second argument is this: defeating Turkey does not have the effect of knocking out Germany, consequently defeating Turkey has no strategic relevance.
But it would open up the black sea (to support what would become the White Russians) as well as put probably fatal pressure on Austria and Bulgaria which would help defeat Germany
c7f7c extremely tenuous chain of 'would's. Hard evidence required before such a chain can be considered.
I buy none of your woulds, since Germany upholds Bulgaria, and Bulgaria does not uphold Germany.
Macedonian Front might make sense on that matter since collapse of that front in September 1918 caused severing railway and road links between Ottoman Empire and Germany (that forced fall of Union of Progress Party and end of Ottoman war effort) Mesopotamian and Syrian Fronts NOT
+apud harald Defeating the Ottomans absolutely had strategic relevance:
- As c7f7c points out, the Entente would now have easy access to the Black Sea, and a fairly easy time tightening up a naval blockade on the remaining Central Powers.
- The Entente would now have a new front against the Austrians and Bulgarians. The Central Powers would then have to shift forces from the Italian, Romanian, and/or Western fronts to meet the new threat, weakening those other fronts.
- The Ottomans have lots of oil in their territories. The rest of the Central Powers don't. Removing their source of oil will do substantial damage to the transportation, logistics, and industry needed to sustain their war effort.
Quick fact : on the SMS Breslau that was sunk, served a young Sailor named Karl Dönitz, luckily for him, he was transfered year before to submarine unit.
And his U-boat UB-68 was sunk that October; and Dönitz was taken prisoner.
The thing is "War God" Erich Ludendorff confused the conditions in Eastern Front with Western Front. The situation in East where after breakthrough achived there were vast spaces to maneuver for Germans who were used to "Bewegungskrieg" (War of Movement) simply did not existed in Western Front where with firm thick defensive lines stalled movement and rearguard action combined with lack of logistics can slow down or stop any advance even if breakthrough was achieved.
however all the German soldiers coming from the ast did so while the old western front soldiers did their thing the eastern front troops could exploit the gaps and hit the british in their flank. Then have general attacks on british lines once the cut was done to have the british continue to face front and fight while the eastern troopers drive north and pushed the british to the sea.
Very very fun series to follow. I love history, it is my favorite subject but most importantly I believe it is nessicaty for the development of our countries, to learn from the past so attrocoties can be avoided and never repeated again.
Paul M. B
17, USMC prospect.
I found this channel four or five months ago, and I prefer watching things in order from the beginning. But today my Great War Binge ends as I finally catch up to ... events that happened a century ago.
Got to admit love to hear about naval engagements such as battlrs and ships grtting sunk. I'm glad we heard about some this week!
Amazing video. I am sure looking forward to more videos on Ukraine during that era because you make a complex history easy to understand
we will do our best to cover more.
Will you cover events in 1919 as well?
I hope so
Probely as extras after the series is done.
Captain Killjoy I would like it more if they shifted to working full time on the WW2 channel.
I hope they do the German revolutions and the uprisings in Italy that happen shorthly after the war
I think so, I can remember Indy talking about this a while back saying they wouldn't simply end the series at the congress of Versailles, they'd cover events directly caused by the war, so that probably includes the soviet-polish war and whatnot
Tiny mistakes:
At 0:31. Karelia is not shown as a part of Finland
Also, the whites were never ordered to engage the reds. They were just declared as the Republic's army, which scared the crap out of the red guards who then started the war by raising a red lantern in the tower of the Worker's House in Helsinki.
It's fascinating to see how Haig and Ludendorff saw the strategic objectives so differently, and that Haig didn't consider the split of his and his allies forces a strategic vulnerability. Seems like he was perfectly willing to concede being bottled against the channel as long as he retained control of the ports (and an escape/reinforcement route), whereas he didn't want to risk his army getting stuck inland with the French.
This is by far my favorite channel ever I would have never found you guys if it wasnt for the fallout youtuber Oxhorn suggesting this channel on one of his live streams
I could see these gentlemen do a series like this, on the Napoleonic Wars....
Thank you so much lads, for the wonderful....phenomenonal, work that you all do!
Thank you for teaching. Always enjoy watching.
Graphics are so much better as you progressed through the war. Finally after years of British bloodshed they have finally seen Haig with his shortfalls. So many mistakes
Hi Indy & crew,
as I mentioned last week, last week (100years ago) workers upraise started in the AH Empire. Civilian upraises on the central side after starvation, coal shortage, ... made a huge impact (Attention! Spoiler!) at the end of the great war. And they didn't started in Oct. and Nov. It would be great seeing you taking up this topic. Wars are won with military victories but also at the motherland!
Central powers not axis. That's one war later.
Arya Stark thx, writing too fast. Your right! Will correct.
as we said last week: we will talk about it soon.
Indiana Neidell thx looking forward! By the way, great job, love your show!
Ominous introduction of Operation Michael - love it.
Great episode.
This is great but I'm hearing nothing about the Finnish or Ukrainian civil wars.
I've been waiting Finnish episode!
During Anglo-Irish treaty negotiations, David Lloyd George threatened "immediate and terrible war" with Ireland.
I now understand that he seriously knew what he was saying.
So happy to have this episode released on my Brithday!
I've been binge watching this amazing series and now I'm finally caught up!!! WOOT!
Hello Indy, Flo and co, a question for out of the trenches. You've talked before about British soldiers fighting on the Salonika and Mesopotamian fronts, but what of British and French soldiers on the Italian front. I recently discovered my great grandfather was in the Royal Warwickshire Regiment and was sent there at the end of 1917. Amazing work guys as always, keep it up.
Yesssss
1:00 The man in the middle is like: "Hi, I'm Indy Nidell, welcome to the Great War"
I love this channel so much I'm surely going to miss these videos at the end of this year
SUOMI MAINITTU TORILLA TAVATAAN
Perkele perkele perkele
More Rahjaism and partying hard in the Kuusinen Club !!!! :)
Hyvää
okay, what is that rahjaism you are talking about ? :D I've never heard that before
Juoksukaljat ja heleveti hyviä makkaroita
great episode!
When Indy says: this is not going to end well then you already know that something is not going the way it is planned.Like Always.Thx for the video.
I just discovered this channel a few weeks ago, that's probably the greatest documentary i ever found on youtube :o
I started this video at 19:14 pm. I know that nobody cares, but I wanted to say it.
Great video by the way, keep up the great work Great War team !
I like how the title is "Civil war in finland and ukraine" and the guy talks about it for 3 minutes of the 10 minute video
While the Finnish Civil War officially begins on February 27th, the fighting began as early as January 9th. The Conservatives held the majority and they had passed the Declaration of Independence on December 6th, the Social Democrats had attempted to reject the declaration and presented their own.
When the result went against the Reds, they started to rebel. They brokered deals with the Bolsheviks in Petrograd and started to get weapons from them and from Russian barracks in Finland. The legal Government had to put a stop to this and so elected the Civic Guard as the Army of Finland in an attempt to halt anarchy at the hand of the Reds. Clashes occured in the South in Early January and eventually the Finnish Government was forced to act.
The Finnish Civil War is definitely not a clear cut war and one that would see Germany and the Allies also partake in. It would see Finnish Reds fight alongside the Allies as well as against and White Finns fighting against the Allies and with them.
After the Russian February Revolution in 1917 had swept away the Tsar, the Socialist majority of Finland's Lantdag (diet) adopted the so-called Maktlagen (law of autority). This explained that the diet had from then on had the supreme authority of the country. The Kerensky government responded to this by dissolving the lantdag, a measure that was wholly accepted by the Finnish Senate's bourgeois members. The Socialists confidence in parliamentarianism was further weakened when they lost their absolute majority of the parliament in the October elections.
Just a correction to start, if I may.
In 1917 there was no Diet of Finland (also known as Maapäivät or Valtiopäivät), The Diet had been reformed in 1906 into a Unicameral Parliament (Eduskunta or Riksdag).
while the Socialist majority had passed the Law of Supreme Power, it still gave Russia rights over Finnish foregin and military policies.
The Russian Provisional Government, wanting to secure its position in all areas of the Empire, decided to consolidate itself in Finland. It used Finland's inability to provide enough food for itself, its lack of a military and infighting within the Parliment, to dissolve the Parliament and call for new elections in October. While it is true that some Conservatives accepted this, it wasn't wholly accepted and not by all bourgeois members (many in the Young Finnish Party for example).
The Socialists lost the majority and then called the elections illegal (not a good tactic to play) and then essentially radicalized themselves.
The vacuum of power, coupled with the loose interpretations of Socialism and Fennomania, allowed for the growth of paranoia of the other side and both the 'White' Guards and 'Red' Guards gained considerable power. If the Socialists hadn't mobilized the Red Guard 1918, the Civil War could have been avoided. But it can also be argued that the Civil War allowed Finland to become more united and fair and thus avoid falling to either extremes of Fascism or Communism. Speculating upon what ifs in history is also tricky.
9th of January! That's my birthday and I'm Finnish! Noice...
Fighting began in the end of January, though there were violent clashes between whites and reds already since summer 1917. Anyway, almost everybody seem to miss a vital point: societies under Czar like Finland were explosively divided, because of the strict conservative politics of the Czar. This had blocked all the necessary reforms for decades since industrialisation and led to growing injustice and bitterness.
I watch too much great war, but it's worth it because I absolutely annihilated my classmates in a jeopardy game
Great episode as always; keep up the amazing work!
I watched this show from 1914 to 1917 now finishing up
Gota be onest been waiting this video for ages but its worth
GMT's COIN (Counter Insurgency) title "All Bridges Burning" piqued my curiosity in the subject and brought me here
Great narration .
I think this is the fastest I've ever opened a video before.
All I can think about to describe spring 1918 is that heath ledger line "and here, we go!"
I love that you and your crew make amazing videos for all your viewers💪💪❤
Superb sir..!
Punaiset ja valkoiset: TORILLA TAVATAAN!
NO NO it just ends in screaming of vittu and perkele. Just preforme some Rahjaism and go parting in the Kuusinen Club ;)
escalates into fist fight and then someone calls the police and they have to separate the parties by force and then everyone laughs at finland in international media.
Please mentions in he next week about the battle of Krytu in Ukraine how ukrainian students tried to defend the capital of Ukraine Kyiv and also about how Ukraine raised a ukrainian flag on soviet ships in Black Sea. Thank you
Can you please recommend some books for me to read on this subject? As someone who still sees the effects on our Civil War in Appalachia, I'm wondering if the people of Finland see those same social wounds that just won't heal.
The movie "Tears of April"..I cried..It was published book by lenna lender.
When all this is over in november 18, I'm going to have to rewatch all these weekly episodes once more, just to capture the vast amount of information.
Love how you stated that Indy..."this will not end well." What if Ludendorff has a more detailed objective? The war might well have ended.
Haig might have "wasted" men, but he had to either be replaced or supported. Doing neither is doubly wrong. And of course when it does go badly...he lies about the troop levels. I used to love LG...not so much anymore.
Glad you mentioned what this was doing to division and brigade organization. Anyone familiar with how those units work together (at the battalion level up) should have known the chaos this created would be amplified by chaos of an all-out attack. But then LG didn't know anything about how armies work. Or else support of Neville, Russian and Italian ideas would never have come up.
Very interesting
Love the video guys
after the the channel ( and the war ) ends nov.11 is it possible you guys could do this again for ww2 in starting sep. 2019? (eighty years back)
Love the show!
Love the show but the Grand Duchy of Finland/Republic of Finland borders are again incorrect!
Have sofar not seen any answer from the channel on any of our comments in several episodes on the inaccurate Finnish borders.
yeah, it's a conspiracy that we stay silent on this. Or, you know, we just hadn't have the time to fix it while producing 30 minutes of content for every week.
I gotta ask, instead of holding man in Britain, why did Lloyd George simply not give any permission to Haig to launch new offensives at western front? From the previous episodes it is clear that even to plan new offensives Haig needs to have specific permissions from the administration? Why not be direct in this case? why go around of it?
Thank you very much for referring to Ukraine as “Ukraine” and not “the Ukraine”. It is how the country is called on all its legal documents and in all English speaking official documents. Those of us who respect Ukraine take offense to it when “the” is added to the name of Ukraine because that is how anti-Ukrainian individuals love referring to it because it is diminutive and insulting.
I finally caught up...this war is madness
Make special video about finnish civil war
Another reason the British kept all those troops at home was the fear of a German invasion of Britain. We know now that Germany had no such intentions nor the means to do it, but the British worried about this possibility for the entire war.
And the Breslau is gone :( She survived three years of fighting in the Black Sea, and the war finally killed her.
Oh, Ok. But can you tell me at what point in the war the British stopped worrying about a German invasion? Because multiple sources state that they WERE worried about this during the early stages of the war, at least. They even stationed battleships in the Thames Estuary to counter the threat. And they kept trying to calculate the possible number of German troops that could evade the Grand Fleet and land on British soil. Even if not a full-scale invasion, the British were concerned about the possibility of a large raid, possibly with the objective of smashing the shipbuilding industry on the East Coast of Britain.
DeathOnSernpidal I’m curious, which sources do you refer to that mention a German invasion of Britain? The British were likely concerned about naval raids on the coast, but I don’t really think they would have worried about such an invasion, which would have been logistically impossible for the Germans at any point during the war.
Off the top of my head, Arthur Marder's "From the Dreadnought to Scapa Flow" series, Robert Massie's "Castles Of Steel" and the first volume of the Official Naval History of the war(Naval Operations; by Sir Julian Corbett) are three sources that mention British concerns about the possibility of a German invasion attempt. There were periods when the British thought this was possible, for example in November 1914.
Best day of the week time :)
Oh the suspense! This is what I like about the first World War, you never know who'll win.
This week in history, 100yrs later I turned 21 on Jan 25th 2018. I'm late be great video as usual.
As an ethnic ukrainian thank you for the respectful and unbiased way in which you represent them. You sir are a gentleman.
Lloyd George also couldn't dismiss Haig because there was literally no-one else who could take the job. No British commander had any experience commanding an army of the size that was by now deployed in France, and whilst Haig's relentless offensive mind did lead to waste, the Allies could ill afford a campaign of passivity. The spat between LG and Haig shows the danger of politicians with little military understanding attempting to take over in a situation from which they are far removed; it's easy to criticise Haig with hindsight, but he really did the best that could be expected of him in the circumstances - no-one understood what this war would be when it started, or could really envisage how to win it. Haig worked from the training model he knew, he made mistakes along the way (with catastrophic consequences - they could be nothing but, given the number of men he was commanding) but ultimately helped secure an allied victory. He was seen after the war as a hero, and his reputation only began to corrode with the publication of LG's caustic and self-promoting memoirs.
Best channel on YT by far!!!!
"You're a politician"
YOU TAKE THAT BACK!
I can't wait September 15th. That will be good.
Finally all caught up!
Very nice
Indy I know its a bit early but I thought I should recommand as part of Congress of Paris 1918-1920 could follow every nations requests especially Romanians which i find very interesting considerring hunagrian oposition ,new-formed Ukrainian and Soviet attacks on romania and poland , process of splitting Banat between Serbia Romania and Hungary and Crisana between Romania and Hungary and Maramuresc between Cehoslovakia and Romania.
Also, Great Job! And maybe you should continuing with you channel even after The Great War.)
Great series, Bravo!
Perhaps an interesting theme for a special would be the theatre and art produced concerning the Great War, The soldier's songs etc, plus were there plays about it? There's a ballet called 'The Green Table' but I believe that dates rom 1920 something. It has the , I believe oddity, of being written out entirely in labanotation. Equally, obviously Madama Butterfly' could be considered as a serious critique of american imperialism. although of course it predates the war..Is there an opera set in the war?
What did the high command do for entertainment?
What were these guys into?
Just a suggestion for a theme.
Keep up the good work.
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Are you going to talk about Nestor makhno too?
1:45 the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Let's be honest, Indy. Even if we didn't know how this was going to end, I think we could all guess, it's not going to end well for anyone involved.
Lloyd George was of criminal incompetence. During the Turkish War of Independence, he almost doomed British interests in Anatolia and the Middle East, because he insisted on a short-sighted support of the fragile Greek Army, while adopting an unnecessarily harsh stance towards both the Ottoman Sultan and the Turkish Nationalists of Ankara.
Yeah he was enchanted with charm of Greek Prime Minister Venizelos so much and his claims of Megali Idea during Paris Peace Conferance in 1919 he tried to continue and support his policies of giving Anatolia to Greece even after fall of Venizelos from power in 1921. Result was Turkish-Greco War (Turkish War of Independence) utter defeat of Greece in 1922 and population exchange between Greek and Turkish communities after the war. His vanity , stubbornness and Turkophobia after WWI cost a lot of people dearly. I never could figure out high minded romantic all knowing western statesman mentality of getting involved in other nations business especally they are far behind in industrilization.
Yavuz (Goeben) survived though and became flagship of new Turkish Republic Navy after its decleration in 1923
Will there be a seperate video about the finnish cival war
Yes only if you stop taking selfies in the mirror. Deal?
Idea for your outro. Grandson- war
Nice picture of William Sims at the Allied Naval Council. When do we get a special on him?
Our house almost got burned down in the finnish civil war but my grandgranddad knew the reds and they burned our storage house not our house.
7:17 now that's what I call a mortar pit
David Lloyd George thought that he could wim WW1 through Italy and the Balkans, and Winaton Churchill had the same damn idea a generation later. Anything BUT a direct confrontation.
9:33 Oh this is gonna end very well....
So, Castor and Pollox Troy (characters in the film Face/Off) appear to be named after German offensives in 1918 during WW1.
I can imagine some very mixed feelings on the part of the British soldiers held up across the channel. First and basing this on my own experiences in the U.S. Army, you probably don't know the real reason for the delay and the rumors and uninformed talk just confuse matters. There would be some who are happy to stay put although with the knowledge and dread that it won't last forever. Some will be anxious to get on with it and some will be thinking it's some sort of key plan, but not sure what. Regardless, bordem occurs and morale suffers. For those in Belgium and France, the morale suffers and many will be angered and frustrated at organizational mess created by the meddling of Lloyd George. I understand where Lloyd George is coming from and appreciate the political challenges posed by replacing Haig, but I can't see the logic of holding back when you know the Germans are coming. Lloyd George really needed to send forces, but stand up to high command if they wanted a new offensive. I don't think Lloyd George was willing to do it and maybe surmised he could not win that political battle. The argument of a preventive attack on German positions might well have been very convincing (maybe a good idea). In any event, the lack of leadership from Lloyd George is troubling as opposing a future offensive is one thing, but not securing the lines is another.
Hey team greetings from Atlanta.
greetings from Berlin