Right like would they rather have their first experience dealing with gas out on the field where they’d literally be sitting ducks ?? Like think logically
The most intelligent thing he said "the 1st time someone experiences that, shouldn't be in a combat zone". All stressful military training is designed to teach you how to think clearly in a combat zone when all is chaos.
In WW2 the men who populated the 1st Special Service Force were put through live fire water landings with machine guns firing over their heads by inches and mortars raining down all around them. Some died, but they were prepared for reality and did their job impeccably.
Guess we should also shoot soldiers in the leg and expose them to shrapnel? Nerve gas? Maybe force them to watch a friend get blown up? Aren't all of these things far more likely in combat than facing an enemy spraying you in the face with an irritant while you're unaware and not donning a mask?
I remember being in the "confidence chamber" and one of the recruits says "I can't breathe" and our DI says "If you can talk, you breathe dumbass!" We all ended up being fine.
That’s what my brother used to tell me when we’d wrestle and he was pinning/choking me lol, I can’t imagine _actually_ fighting for air tho, that shit has gotta be pretty scary. Props man
As a formerly enlisted United States Marine, I can PROMISE you, the HIGHLIGHTS of my career were the annual CS gas training. It SUCKS, yes, but if you can accept this fact, keep you wits, and watch everyone else, you will see some of the funniest shit EVER from seemingly normal adults.
Some of the best days, were gas days , i always front of the line that shit , get it over with and then watch everyone else have fun haha one time our instructor put in too many tablets and we couldnt see the guy next to you , all of a sudden POOF a Sarg just appears hahaha best job i ever had
I’ve been exposed to CS multiple times, in both military and law enforcement training settings. I honestly felt nothing worse than some minor involuntary coughing, even whilst a few people next to me vomited uncontrollably. Same thing with pepper spray- some people freaked out hysterically and panicked like headless chickens, whilst some of us barely even winced or complained. Different humans can react wildly differently to the very exact same stimuli. The thing that you watch and think may be brutal, inhumane, and unspeakable torture for all human beings may be nothing but a minor inconvenience for someone else.
As a marine myself I actually really appreciate the CS training for that very reason and it teaches to keep your emotions at bay and focus on the mission at hand. And to also trust your gear because it works
Shoot, I remember getting PT'd in CS gas, lol. They'd make us do side straddle hops, take off the mask, do some pushups, put it back on, hop some more. Snot would be swayin' from our faces, we'd be coughing, laughing... good times, mate.
I'm not sure why it's so hard for people to understand that you want your soldiers ready for anything, which means you have to train them to keep their head in any situation, no matter how terrible or life threatening it may be. It's called war.
Navy Shellback here. I went in the gas chamber with a bad cold, and came out clear as a bell. It was the funniest thing, seeing all the suffering, but we all laughed about it after the pain stopped. It may look horrible but it serves a purpose. I'm happy to have gone through this as well as WOG Day.
I remember being sick all of basic and when we finally got to the Gas Chamber our RDC's singled me out and said "this recruit will no longer be able to milk SIQ". Anyone who has been SIQ knows it blows dick so the entire division had to hide their laughter. Awesome times man. Thanks for signing up bro.
I joined the Air Force in 2001 right before 9/11 and yes, everyone goes through the gas thing. It's too demonstrate how your MOPP gear works, and you need to know in a non- combat situation how to respond. The principle is practice will give you an advantage in responding. But in reality it was only one time for me, and MOPP exercises were rare, even with threats of biological weapons and such.
The hardest part about the military is convincing yourself to join in the first place. I was merely a Ranger, but 30 years later, I still appreciate every bite of food, every minute of sleep and every second of the day that I'm warm.
That's what's amusing. 10 people in 60/70 years of severe training. That's pretty fucking impressive. I think almost all training done by special ops(once training is completed) is classified as "death is imminent". Source is Jake zweig navy seal video.
Actually, I remember the US Army was losing more guys due to training accidents in the 90’s, around 1k a year, than the entire military lost during the global war on terror.
there are also a shitton more people that go to disney world /land than go to seal training. i wonder what it would be as a percentage. guarantee you the seals would have a higher percentage of deaths. i do however believe that they shouldnt change the training. because if you are in hostile territory, those people shooting at you wont be using b b guns. you should be as ready for all situations as possible. preparedness translates to survive-ability.
Yes, Air Force makes you do the gas in basic training. They made us do jumping jacks to force us to breathe and then recite stuff. They wouldn't let us leave the room until we finished. It's not "difficult," it's intimidating. And afterward, it's hilarious to look back on. I love how much it cleared my sinuses out.
I had to say my name and hometown and jacked that up pretty bad and had to stay in the room a little longer. Great PT after that and I would absolutely do it again
Dude, some motherfucker was started the pink eye spread in basic. I was NOT going to go back to the gas course on my own, so I didn't raise my hand.........cleared it right up! Lol
(Navy Boot Camp) I knew about a week in advance so I prepared by holding my breath for as long as I could while we marched and got used to exhaling as slowly as possible too. When the day came I could look and move normally without my not-breathing being noticed. I felt sorry for the guys that really had to go through it but for me it was a breeze.
I disagree. For no reason whatsoever. Haven't done my training yet so I'm an asshole. After my training I'll come back and edit my comment, full of shame.
The army use to send out a video of the training that the recruits went through after boot camp. My neighbor brought it back with him and we got to see him and the recruits he went in with get gassed, run ragged, etc. we all laughed including him when we watched his face after getting gassed. People are just soft now don’t like seeing loved ones struggle and persevere. Sad to hear about the death of the man.
In Navy bootcamp, I forgot to grab the filter for my gas mask during a training exercise. My RDC saw that I fucked up and put me at the back of the gas room about 6 rows deep. I had to wait my turn to leave breathing in tear gas until it was finally my turn to leave. The RDC said, “Fucking pay attention to detail before you get out in the fleet and get yourself killed.” I still think of that whenever I catch myself not paying attention to the task at had. All men need to go through some kind of group training but sadly the country thinks young men need to be soft.
@@koleethan not all tools need the same processing. But would you ever want to use a weak tool? A hammer that couldn’t hammer a nail? A cheap can opener that can’t open? This is military training.
What amazes me is when conservatives are surprised about what’s happening in our country. Do you think the people who destroy our country do it accidentally? Do you think the softening of the military is coming from a good place from the people who are doing it? The destruction of our country has been happening for a very long time and you’ve always sat by and allowed it to happen, merely making fun of the libtards as they actually take positions of power and walk all over you in the real world. This country is the spreader of Neo Liberalism throughout the world, it has truly become the Great Satan, yet you still sit back and pretend like things aren’t that bad or that if you just vote Republican one more time that it might actually do something. All of our embassies have rainbow and BLM flags hanging for all to see, this country literally bombs other countries for not being gay or Liberal enough, if a country goes out side the Neo Liberal globo homo order, we sanction them or bomb them into oblivion for not being “democratic” enough. This country is going to fall soon and the world will be a much better place because of it.
But killing your soldiers or giving them long term brain damage is detrimental. No one wants seal training to be easy, but why intentionally fuck them over and harm them lol.
The way this tear gas training was done is not the normal type, and is not even realistic. I've been through that and it's done completely differently. Why do you want people to lie down in a group and get washed from point blank?
Here in Finland, I wasn't even in high-level military training and we went through similar tear gas training.. there was only one option and that was to DO IT. just do it and cry after, if you feel like it. we actually went one of those huge tents and that was full of tear gas and that shit was awful.. and if I remember right now our military started to do training with mustard gas too
Not even just high level military, I was in the British Army, Royal Engineers. As standard in basic training all units did this. Nobody had any qualms with doing this that I knew of, I bet it's not the recruits themselves complaining about this.
Combat training at the elite level should have a goal of achieving 90% of what actual combat conditions will be like. It's an old saying, often misused, but still very true - "You fight like you train". Soft training produces soft warriors.
in our history, we've had several times when our troops weren't trained before battle and took terrible losses as a result, Korean war was perfect example --first 6 months was awful
I am in the Army Guard and we get gas chambered once a year. Unless we find a means to sneak out of it. To us, CS gas is funny because it sucks but isn't really dangerous and it is impartial. The first time I experienced CS was a nightmare but honestly the standing outside in the freezing cold for 8 hours before we made it into the chamber was worse than the CS by far.
I remember from a German officer memoir that he basically said 1 death in training will save a 100 lives in battle. Combat is a life or death experience and to be the best and get as many soldiers home as possible, training must be have an inherent danger to it.
Joined USAF in 2011 and yes they made us go through the gas chamber. However, if the chamber is under maintenance, there is a chance that a Flight may not have to go through it during BMT. And yes, the chamber sucked. You never realize how much mucus the body creates until you go through that.
This just blew mind. I attended a military academy in Guatemala from 13 to 18y/o. Junior high and highschool. When we were 15 or 16, (my class), in 1982 we had this map navigation 3 day campaign. In one of the largest military bases of the country. Guatemala was sunk in a civil bloody war from 1960 to 1997. So we were trained beyond the normal "toy soldier" school. One night, we had this "night target practice". We all had m1 garands. Yes, we carried them basically for marching from 13, but at 16 we Actually had that kind of training. To my point: at the end of the range , just in front of the targets, there was this 6 feet deep trench. After shooting three 8 cartridge chargers, we had to make a line and go down that trench crouching and yelling our serial number for about 30 yards. Whilst the others were still target practicing. But that's not all, they would feel the trench with tear gas, so we ended up all gagging and involuntarily crying at the end of the run. We saw it as "normal". As a matter of fact that was only the first time. (The tear gas, I mean). We went in different training campaigns, (that's how the called them), every 3 to 6 months. To be honest it was always an adventure. We were 16! We didn't know better. We all wanted to be Rambo. Many of us went to officers school. Some of us dropped out. (I had a drinking problem since highschool), some 1/3 of the class graduated, but half of them were killed or critically injured in combat. The war "ended" in 1997. The Marxist and maoist guerillas ended up proposing "Peace Talks", the conflict was over, but they were able to martir/victim and sell/buy their policies and ideologies into politics and eventually got to government. Now Guatemala is sunk again, but in poverty, drugs and death. Not even the Kaibiles could stop them. Many, many soldiers are still in prison from those days to date...
Im not a military man myself, but Ill say this. The training that these people go through, especially an elite team such as the seals, or something equivalent to that, should be crazy hard, should look insane to non military personnel, should be brutal. The men and women that sign up for this, go through it all, and come out the other side are the people I want fighting for us and our freedoms.
Ye except not the women. I'd legit rather an army of all untrained men than an army of all trained women. You can't win a war if females are coming home in body bags.
It’s hard enough to prepare for what the enemy may have in store for you. So to train for any possible threat you may encounter in order to achieve your objectives seems logical.
The issue is the military doesn't say that. If they just came out and said "this is necessary training" it'd be find. Andy's point at the end is the exact reason this shit happens today, we were so tight lipped about everything related to the military that people began to distrust it, so now we're open and transparent trying to build back trust (since you know, drone strikes, black sites ext so on.) but instead of just saying "we want them to understand that their gas masks work and the only way to do that is to have them stand in CS gas with it on, see that they're fine and then take it off and see that they aren't fine" way more people would understand that than wouldn't. You have to expect this level of scrutiny when you account for roughly 45% of all federal expenditure, as well as a 20 year war, it would be idiotic if we had any less oversite, and we've all seen what happens when you let guys police themselves.
Before the Iraq war 95% of the population did give them that level of trust. Thats why so many supported the war without knowing the exact reason for it. They blew that trust, not just with Iraq but how involved they got with Trump and every anti-establishment politician. Now 50% of the population sees them as the least trustworthy people on earth
I think Joe is well past questioning the see-eye-a about their tactics and behavior. On a real level. We're a solid 5 -6yrs past the point of him questioning/speaking against the system in a legit way. Goes back before the Bob Lazar podcast. I think it goes back to the first Mike Baker interview.
I was a USAF Pararescueman for 10 years-Andy trained me on several occasions. Incredible human being. PS - we do get gassed in USAF Basic Military Training.
I also went through the gas chamber in 2010 and was a tech school instructor for a few years. There was a point between 2018 and 2021 where they stopped doing it according to some of my students. Damn shame!
I went through army BASIC in 1999. We all got gassed, it sucks. It's supposed to suck. And all the Drill Sergeants that weren't in the chamber with us, stood outside and laughed at us as we cried, coughed and dry heaved for the next 10 minutes.
@@WishMount really? Because when the Army did it to me I got permanent lung damage and a lifetime disability rating. Going into a gas chamber, forcing SOME exposure... that's doctrine... that's training. Jamming billowing clouds of a chlorine based gas known to cause lung conditions into the faces of unprepared trainees is not. One thing neither of these guys mentioned is to get referred to BUDS you have to have already gone through basic training. So the trainees in that video have ALREADY done their CS Gas training. So what exactly is the point of the BUDS instructors making them do it again in such an improper manner?
I love Andy so much. He is my favorite guest, him and Forrest Galante. I just rewatched the US. Olympic Polo team trying to make it through a small version of BUDS!! I was so excited to see Andy was the instructor!!! I think he’s a very well rounded person who knows exactly what he needs and doesnt need and he is a great leader as well. I hope you have him on again and again.😊
Training has definitely changed, when we picked up my brother and sister from booth camp graduation they looked like they were put through the ringer. Picked up my BIL a few years ago and it was a night and day difference. You could visibly tell a difference in their physical and mental demenor. Still though can't imagine going through that type of training. Our military men and women are on another level mentally.
That's interesting about the young man dying from pneumonia after hell week. When I was in boot camp in the Army, during phase 2, we were maybe about a month or two away from graduating. I came down with pneumonia. Now it seemed like it happened all of a sudden, but thinking back I realized I wasn't getting enough sleep to recover each night, I was out in the sun or rain or cold all day, and night. The only symptoms I had was being extremely tired to where I would fall asleep almost standing up, along with no energy and a headache. Once we got back from (field training) FTX training for 4 or 5 days straight. I ran straight to the barracks bathroom and was with a few battle buddies chatting and all of a sudden I felt a strong cough and proceeded to cough over and over from my lungs. Everyone came up to me asking if I was okay, I said "I'm not sure..." next thing I know I'm coughing into the sink and I saw a LOT of blood which I was coughing up into the sink for like a good 30 seconds. One of the guys said "hey man, this is serious you need to ask the drill Sgt to go to sick call cause if you keep going to might die." I agreed it all hit me at once and could barely walk it took two soldiers to help escort me to the drill Sgt office. We explained the situation he said "why are you still here? Hurry up and go!" Once I got there they immediately took me back because they had to get be a bucket due to me puking up so much blood. Once that took me back into the room I had a 2 nurses and a doctor asking me what had happened and such. This was the time when I started falling in and out of consciousness, and I remember them telling me "we need to transport you to an off-base hospital because your condition is too severe for us to treat here." That scared me. So once the ambulance got there I was in the back strapped down still in my uniform with a bucket puking blood still. I got to the hospital over an hour later and all I could hear during the times I was awake were the nurses and doctors talking about how serious my condition was and that I might not make it. They came and asked if there was any family I would like for them to call for me. To make this long story short they had me on an oxygen mask for most of the day, and started IV antibiotics. Strong ones. Two days later I was for the most part awake and alert and feeling much better. They had me start walking slowly around the hospital around my floor to get some exercise back. I was in there a total of 5 days. The doctor came and said to me near the end "honestly, we thought we were going to lose you because of how serious your condition was. You are very very lucky." She also showed me the X-rays they took when I first came in and my whole left lung had a giant white blob she said that was where the pneumonia was and it was spreading. They took X-rays again around day 4 and it seemed it was just a out completely gone. I APOLOGIZE FOR THE NOVEL YALL I just thought it would be relevant to hear my story along with this one. Thanks for reading.
Keep in mind I was in full battle rattle. Kevlar helmet, plate carrier with plates, my sidearm on my hip, my M4 rifle with no sling, and the LBV (sp?) Vest I think its called with a full canteen of water, and last but not least my rucksack which weighed at least 40 pounds. Probably more like 60+
In case anyone is wondering. On day 5 I got my discharge papers from the hospital and my drill Sgt came to get me from the hospital. He asked me if I was feeling better enough to continue training since we were SO CLOSE to graduation. I joined as OSUT, which is boot camp followed by your job training all rolled into one. So yeah basically about 5 odd months of basic/AIT. Oh yeah with less than 2 months left I did not want to just give up at that point and get recycled or get a discharge without a completion. Luckily the time I spent in the hospital from my last PT test to the one that we took while I was in the hospital my scores were high enough to pass the 1 that they took while I was in the hospital so they just took my PT scores from the last test and rolled it over to this 1 and they let me continue until I graduated eventually I am so glad that I stuck it out after I got out of the hospital and didn't just decide to quit or go home Because you can never replace that feeling of when you truly accomplish something great like a great feat that truly not a lot of people can say they have done and I feel proud of myself because I learned a lot about myself throughout those 5 some months. I learned my limitations, my weaknesses, as well as my strengths. I'm very grateful for the opportunity I had and I took it and ran with it and I suggest anyone else in the same situation or similar situation do the same. Maybe even do some program similar to that cause I understand qualms about working for US government, but there's other things out there that can teach you very similar things. I cannot even list all of the things I learned over my time being there. I see them more as skills because I will at times find myself being a Mcguyver of some sort, but making things work temporarily. As well as learning some Brazillian Jiu Jitsu, how to properly and safely handle multiple sizes and types of firearms, learning how to fix jams while firing, and also cleaning said weapons. I learned loads more confidence about myself as well as to stick up for myself. (More stories about that... I have dozens guys...just ask)
@@SeasoningTheObese lmao, take your trollin ass on somewhere. Like Russia, maybe you can be drafted then you'll be thankful for the men and women who volunteered to take that bullet so you can troll people on the internet.
@@SeasoningTheObese lol, your trashy, like ewww kinda trashy 🤣 I love how u trolls think you know everything bout me, lol. Good luck to your mental health thinking that.
Respect to the youngsters in the military but no one in the US military has ever fought for our freedoms. We actually lost many of our freedoms during these Middle East (very profitable) endless wars.
@@strategygaming5830correction, a quarter of their cause is to project the appearance of “supporting veterans” same with guns, another 1/4 is selling coffee and the last quarter is supporting politicians that undermine veterans and the 2nd amendment.
No part of our government is above transparency. The pentagon argued they were for the longest time, and the first time we try to do an audit we come to find out they're un-auditable because hundreds of billions of dollars are missing, lost or wasted. Inter/Military ALWAYS need extreme oversight.
According to this CIA creep "just trust us that we are doimg the right thing". Sure, after you tortured and killed thousands and lead us into wars on false pretenses.
It’s mind boggling how so many people who are not the ones going through the training have complaints about how they train. Those guys know what they are signing up for so everyone else should stf up and mind your business and be grateful we have brave people who are willing to go through everything to protect our freedoms.
Have you seen the video? It seemed like an excessive amount of gas for a training regime. I have no military experience, but I think the amount of gas used should be consistent among all groups that go through the program
@@yawns3004 being tough on someone in training, is actually a way of making things easier on them when they're in combat. i'd definitely prefer that than the other way around
@@yawns3004 lmao it’s not even. It’s like 10 minutes of uncomfortableness in total. Oc spray directly to the eyes was 10 times worse. We have a soft society. Don’t be one of those people
In the British military CS is used to give everyone confidence that their respirator (gas mask) works and they have a proper seal around their face. It is also used to ensure that when you conduct certain drills like changing canisters or eating and drinking are done correctly. We think it hysterical watching others go through the gas chamber, there is nothing brutal about it, just pretty unpleasant. And we don’t have the option of quitting during this, you are doing it or you’re on a charge.
Exactly this! Our drill sergeants told us it was to instill confidence in your pro mask. I was exposed to CS ONCE in basic training. Never again did I take my mask off when we did gas training.
US Air Force does the same, we were in the gas chamber doing PT in full MOPP gear, then we had to take off the mask, and give a reporting statement. We definitely gained an appreciation for the MOPP gear and the value of donning it correctly.
95, both CS and Pepper Spray... Found out that you can function through both, but pepper spray is far worse than CS (for me at least) 4N051 / IDEMT, Bosnia
I enlisted in the Air Force in 2006 and it was the best worst decision of my life. We did get gassed and the training and experiences in security forces taught me a lot. It also opened my eyes to how dumb a lot of normal people are and they will argue to the death how things will be and how they should be without even understanding. I even had a kid once yell at me trying to tell me what basic training REALLY is without ever going through it hinself.....
Yeah in war youre being tear gassed and singing all the time dumbass. Did not happen a single time, willing to bet. Plus chair force lmao, yall had tents while everyone else gets to sleep in holes.
Exposure to CS gas is standard training even for normal recruits in Europe. We had to take off our masks in a room full of CS gas then assemble our weapon basically blind while uncomfortable to breath. I am a firm believer in hard challenges makes you better, this goes for anything not only military. Weight training you have to push way beyond your comfort zone to develop muscles, also in IT you have to face impossible problems and figure out a solution for it. All makes you stronger.
We ran in our gas suits 5km to the gas room and then they make you go in 3 times first clean skin 2nd time in suit with mask in pouch put in on then purge . Then the 3rd time in suit with mask on . Australian infantry. Burns like the sweat pours of your skin aswell . Over ALL wasn't that bad . They made us try and count and do push ups couldn't breath then they throw us out
As a correctional officer I got gassed for part of my training. Every new class did. Been that way since OC Spray has been utilized in the facility. And I agree, absolutely necessary to be exposed the first time in a controlled environment.
I was in the British Army an we were gassed in basic training, our Cpl took a video an gave it to one of the guys, we watched it back a few days later an it was hilarious!! Been trying to get hold of that video for years i went to other units, we were gassed on a yearly basis (depending on individual unit) Arte et Marte
My papa had to go through this when he was in basic training. He told me how awful it was and also how he felt a lot more prepared for what he faced in Korea and Vietnam. If I were in the military and I were going into combat, I would want to know what to expect and to be prepared for it to the fullest extent.
I went thru basic & AIT: MP school. 1989. I thought Basic was tough but nothing close to any tier 1, Green Team, Para Rescue, SF(Q course). We started with around 48 E-1 troops. Our platoon ended with about 40. MP school was more class, academics 🎓. Some MP students could not hack that.
As a Cavalry Scout, I was extremely happy with the way my mind and body reacted when faced with direct and indirect fire being thrown my way. The training we went through taught us what to do, and somewhat, what to expect. BTW I went into that CS chamber 10 times in 4 years, and my last 2 years were pretty much spent overseas. In OSUT we had to sing the Army Song before we could leave it, and there was a big tree outside the exit that would wreck you If your eyes weren't open. "My eyes are open and my arms are flapping."
My cousin just graduated the court officer training program in MA. Court officers don't carry firearms. They don't really do much in the way of arresting. It's possible there is a scuffle every so often, but generally with those who are already detained/in waiting cells, usually handcuffed and restrained in some capacity. Even they had to go through a pepper spray training protocol similar to what you would see in State Police / Army basic. Not gas, sure, but still sucks, and these are folks who probably will never have a combat situation occur in their workplace where they would need to know how to react. We should probably be thankful that there are those willing to go through getting gassed rather than shaming them for it.
I went through CS gas training in basic training in Ft, LeonardWood , let me tell you when we took off our gas mask we could not breathe, one guy literally passed out I needed to drag him out of the room, it took me about 15 or 20 minutes to recover, it burned like hell. It was to show you your mask does protect you, and it does.
Getting gassed at basic is one of the most memorable moments. Hell, they even photographed it and put it in our "year book". Guys trying to run out and getting hip tossed by the DS, guys throwing up powdered eggs into their gas mask.
I was able to not breath much in when i went through or i just wasn’t effected much by it. I actually left the chamber prenting to be in more pain than i was in just so no one caught on 😂.
Former Marine here. CS gas in basic was fun. We all laughed our asses off after it was done. Maybe not fun while it was happening but hilarious to reflect on it. Our snot was hanging all the way to the floor. That being said, no one should die from pneumonia during training. There should always be medical assessments done. That’s coming as a family nurse practitioner. You can have both safety and incredible training.
Given that this is incredibly rare, to say the least, I'd say the entire situation was a huge exception. You HAVE to do everything in your power to make sure the training is as realistic as the lethal scenarios you're facing. They're training these guys for combat, and all the circumstances that they could potentially encounter (that includes diseases infested 3rd world countries). They don't inject soldiers with pneumonia, then dunk them in a tank of nerve gas, while telling them to "suck it up!"...which is damn-near how you're making it sound. What would you be saying had this guy died of the exact same causes in combat in the desert??? What would you say if the guy was attacked by a great white off the shore of SoCal while training in underwater demolition? Would you say they should ditch the scuba training, and go through the motions on dry land???? Pampering soldiers who's mommy and daddy's might be working in the medical field probably isn't a real good way to get our *ELITE* soldiers "combat ready", dude. Our military is already made up of a bunch of woke, over-weight, p**sies, that signed up for the handouts that go along with being in the military. If this training isn't potentially lethal, then it's pointless. The U.S. military is weak enough right now with all the other left-wing problems we're experiencing, without nerph-ing the training.
@@phillamoore157 when I was in basic I had viral pneumonia and only after I passed out on the parade deck did they send me to sick bay the next morning. Got 3 days light duty and was in the swim tank on Thursday with one day to qualify or get dropped. I made it and got first qualification on the next day. But that made me know I can take anything that came my way. Given that all of us going in are young and in incredible shape it’s rare anyone dies.
I went through in the winter.... ARMY,...we marched by the gas chamber every day for weeks heading out to the ranges, seeing the ever growing piles of green and yellow snot in the snow,. knowing that we would be going through it soon. Fun times.
PA here, the safety here was illusional. if you watch the video, they cant even see the recruits underneath the smoke, is anyone passed out? Aspirating Vomit? One recruit just did the other day from bacterial pneumonia.The execution of this exercise was grab ass at best.
In 1966 in USMC boot camp we had to take off our masks and sing the Marine Corps Hymn and if anybody f’d up the lyrics we had to start again. It’s amazing how well one’s memory and discipline works under duress if the training prepares one for the worst.
I was a server at a restaurant for a while, back when I was a teenager, but I’ve never really thought of myself as a hero, though, to be honest. I was just doing my job, no differently than Lakeisha, Shanice, or Miss Betty. In addition to serving customers, for two dollars and thirteen cents an hour, plus tips, I’ve played tennis a few times, as well, and, though I wasn’t very good at it, I did have the opportunity to serve, multiple times, on each of those occasions, and, let me just say, the pleasure was all mine. It was a tremendous honor, quite frankly, getting to serve to my brothers, Jimbo and Skeeter, who each happened to be just as bad at it as I was, and I honestly never even thought twice about it, at the time, as crazy as that sounds. I really can’t explain it, but serving just felt like it was the right thing to do, seeing how it was my turn, and that’s what you do in tennis, and what not. If I ever had to go back in time, for some strange reason or another, and relive those days, when I was serving, all over again, I can proudly say, with full confidence, that I wouldn’t change a thing. I’d absolutely do it all over again, and I wouldn’t even hesitate, because I know my brothers would do the same for me. I don’t quite feel comfortable calling myself a hero, still, but I can certainly see that I’m worthy of the title, anyway, without a doubt, so I will, at least, acknowledge that, just so that, hopefully, I won’t come across as being too modest. I still must say that I don’t really think I’m a hero, though, despite the fact that I clearly am one, but I truly appreciate your kindness, anyway, in thanking all the brave, patriotic Americans, like me, who are serving, or have served in the past. It’s only because of the most heroic men, of unbelievable strength and courage, such as me, that ye are free. If thou love thy country, and all its many neat freedoms, of which I’ve so graciously bestowed upon thee, then ye shall giveth thanks, and bow down to me, for the rest of eternity. God bless me, for I am a real American hero. Thank me for my service, and God bless America! Oorah! Hooah! Zippidy Do Dah! Look who just took a Pooopah! Bah Bah Bah Bah Bah Bah Bah Booooooyah!!!! #FreedomIsntFree #ItWasPaidForYouByMe #NeverForget 👍🏿 #YouOweMeBigly 💰 #LetsGoBrandon 🤪 #BuildThatWall 🇺🇸
I had to do the OC/OS training with Riv CA sheriffs as one of my work requirements. I learned what involuntary blindness was all about. And my nose was running thick so bad I could hardly breathe. Cold water from the hose was like life. It one if the few times I didn’t care how my hair looked. I got to see
Went through Navy basic in 2013 and had an entire division in a small room with masks. Had several lines of people where everyone took their masks off at once and one by one the Instructors go down the lines where you answer a question. For me it was a general order of a sentry and once you answered your question you ran out of the room. It wasn't that bad.
When my best friend went through basic training in 2005, They sent him home from basic training with a video of him getting gassed so he could show his family.
I do recall in the Air Force getting gassed. (Mid 1990s). Don’t recall if it was in basic or tech school training. Yep, as explained, snot, mucous, tears etc but nothing bad that can’t be overcome. The Marine hit the nail on the head…these training policies and tactics being questioned and wrote about by folks who don’t have the balls to join the service themselves. (Those weren’t busy exact words but you follow).
I went through this in navy basic training. It’s worse for some people than others. Some guys puke and gag and scream, but others are barely affected. A buddy of mine had recently been pepper sprayed and virtually had no affect on him. I actually went through it twice for ssdf school and second time wasn’t nearly as bad. I’m pretty sure that’s why they do it initially in basic
Please. I went through this in basic Army training in the 80s. Everyone made it through. It’s an experience to impact you to let you know how important it is to wear your protective gas gear.
That’s crazy. In the Army it’s a yearly qualifier, even though most units don’t make it a priority. In my 4yrs I did it 3 times. I was upset because I only thought I had to do it in basic. My 1SG let me know I was sadly mistaken.
Imagine the first time you experience gas was on the battlefield. You'd be panicking trying to breathe giving you and your squad's location away. It could literally be the determining factor of a battle.
What I learned from CS exposure in the military is how important my mask is, and how important getting it on and ensuring the proper fit. Especially when you think about CS gas as a walk in the park compared to what you can face in combat.
As someone who served, albeit not in a role such as these two fine young men, I can say that they are correct about the issues facing the military in general now.
My uncle was in the delta force, now he is apart of JSOC. He is the most capable man I know. He doesn't need affirmation or love. The dude just lives without needing all the shit most of us men yearn for. He rebuilds old trucks as a hobby. It's not about just being physical. It's all mental
Brutal? in the IDF we also do it in basic training. and its actually a funny ritual where your commanding staff would make you do pushups and answer stupid but funny questions while your tearing up and cant speak haha, good memories
I was 16 when I first had the pleasure of being CS gassed for NBC training at a Junior military college in the UK. It was one of my favourite classes, the training staff made us sing the National anthem and ball room dance before they would let us out 😂
Even I went through that as a Navy recruit in 2000. No big deal it was over in 20 minutes, it sucked yes but it shows the importance of your gas mask. As a matter of fact that day was better than most of the other days because that was something different and interesting. Also my recruit class was coed and still everyone passed that evolution.
My father is a US Airborne Army Ranger, and I have been a part of the military community since the night I was born on Ft Benning. I’ve heard the stories, I know the things they’ve seen and been through. No civilian has any right to determine what training regimens our soldiers go through to prepare them for war and what can come with it. These men and women need to be exposed to certain wartime elements to physically, mentally and emotionally prepare them for the horrific things that they can and will be subject too. Being a soldier requires you to perform above and beyond any expectations of the average citizen. How can you expect your son, daughter, brother or sister to go off to war and return if they have absolutely no idea what to expect when they’re sent to the battlefield? They are not being held against their will. They chose to do this, to stand above the rest of us and to meet the call of duty head on.
The thing one of them says at the end about transparency, “there should be public trust that we’re doing the right thing”, the rubbed me very much the wrong way. It’s demonstrated over and over throughout history that given power with no oversight it’s literally just a matter of time before it’s abused.
My father was in the army back in the 80’s and he told me all about when he got to train with gas. This was one of his favorite stories to tell my sister’s and I growing up. I do remember him mentioning San Clemente too. It was his 18th birthday, he was put inside of a small room with some other guys. He said that he was tested with multiple gases in this room. He told me that the scariest one was the last one they used on them. It was odorless and invisible. He was told to take his mask off and as soon as he did, everything turned white! After that they let you outside and you get to run around to get the gas off of you. So if you ever get gassed, run around, don’t use water or try to wipe it off.
My experience with CS Gas in Basic Training was great. I have terrible seasonal allergies and after exiting the Hut all the snot ran out of my head and I hadn't felt better. Honestly it did suck, but the after effects were great.
Good grief... when I went to military training in 1984, we all looked forward to the challenge of CS training. It helped build confidence in our protective masks and was a baptism in our mission to serve our country in the harshest conditions imaginable. And it was nowhere near the level of difficulty faced by our troops who served in war zones since.
He makes the point well but I'm at a loss as to why anyone would not immediately assume the gas exposure was to expose them to it first off the battlefield.
I never served in the armed forces but in training for a sheriff's office detention deputy, I was exposed to CS gas. As a patrol deputy I was constantly exposed to OC spray.
This was one of the coolest things in basic, and it is absolutely necessary. If you tried to get out too fast, they send you back through. I had to stop, gather myself, and calm down.
How can you have confidence and efficiency in your equipment in battle if you haven’t tried it yet ? The gas chamber is a good day compared to other training days.
Went through the CS chamber as a New Cadet at West Point. The dude next to me was jumping up and down screaming that he was going to die lol. Everyone ends up being fine, it sucks, but it's supposed to and it shows you the importance of your pro mask.
In the coast guard in early 90s we had this training. All ships on east coast went through a yearly refresher training in guantonamo Bay. ALL personal regardless of rank Went into a fourth yard container over (100 degrees mid July when I did it) gasz was released we had 30 se ones to dawn our masks, we kept them on for 1minute, took them off for 90 seconds (so we would not be able to hold our breath), 30 seconds to get mask back on, 1 minute more with masks on. 5 minutes total to pass. It taught us that as much as that sucked, we could deal with it of need be. Better to have the experience and confidence that we could survive in that situation, than running out of a gassed building or ship compartment into a hail of gunfire in a real life combat situation. Anyone who can not under this is completely irrational
Everyone in my platoon had the flu or colds going in to the CS gas building... on the march back, after it was all over, NO ONE was sick anymore. We were all so happy!
I was in the regular Army, in basic training, and the drill sergeant gently punched me in the gut to make sure I breathed in the gas. lol I was a sneaky mf and they knew it... We all came out of that place, not able to breath basically, more snot coming from my nose than I knew could exist, eyes crying, coughing so hard I thought I might die if I didn't escape. They let us out, obviously... There was always those one or two people it barely affected... lucky ass hats. This was in like, 2010. Not THAT long ago... we had to get gassed like, every few years. Calm down people out there!
@@OfAngelsAndAnarchist Well, there was no money going into the military during sequestration and the options kept diminishing quicker than retention could tell us. All good now though!
When I went through the police academy circa 1988, we were exposed to CN and CS. Each cadet had to state their name, SSN etc. It was good, as Andy said, you don't want to be exposed for the first time, during a real world situation. People panic, and think they are dying, and you having the prior experience with the chemical is an advantage.
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As a combat veteran, america public in general just has absolutely zero concept of war or how absolutely ruthless war is.
True. Except we haven't been in an actual war since WW2. The rest have been police actions or "conflicts".
I thought it was only ruthless, brutal and most importantly unprovoked when the bad guys do it.
*has libertarian in username
"Oh we got one of these wackos..."
Especially considering how much war their country brings around the world
War is not PC
Fully admit I am not tough enough to be a SEAL and shit like this is rightly supposed to keep people like me out.
im glad you finally admitted it
underrated comment 😭
a lot of people today are just pu**ies honestly. They shouldnt be seals
Bingo bango
Well said 😭
I’m not a vet but this is just what I always assumed training would be like . What did ppl think was happening 😂😂😂
Exactly it’s war how do you expect to train for a whole other country trying to kill you
literally
Right like would they rather have their first experience dealing with gas out on the field where they’d literally be sitting ducks ?? Like think logically
Your not supposed to die from training tho
Less heathy people..
The most intelligent thing he said "the 1st time someone experiences that, shouldn't be in a combat zone". All stressful military training is designed to teach you how to think clearly in a combat zone when all is chaos.
In WW2 the men who populated the 1st Special Service Force were put through live fire water landings with machine guns firing over their heads by inches and mortars raining down all around them. Some died, but they were prepared for reality and did their job impeccably.
@@tasteslikeawesome it's 2022, this is a waste of time and resources. prove me wrong.
@@MFCOAN your making a claim...till you back it up no one has an obligation to justify anything.
@@MFCOAN the fundamentals of reality remain the same no matter the year. You're sheltered but the threat is never truly gone.
Guess we should also shoot soldiers in the leg and expose them to shrapnel? Nerve gas? Maybe force them to watch a friend get blown up? Aren't all of these things far more likely in combat than facing an enemy spraying you in the face with an irritant while you're unaware and not donning a mask?
I remember being in the "confidence chamber" and one of the recruits says "I can't breathe" and our DI says "If you can talk, you breathe dumbass!" We all ended up being fine.
That’s what my brother used to tell me when we’d wrestle and he was pinning/choking me lol, I can’t imagine _actually_ fighting for air tho, that shit has gotta be pretty scary. Props man
We called it the "Disco Hut" because people would exit like a crazy people dancing.
Soooo if we apply that same standard to George Floyd, then how did he actually die? Fetanyl od like it says on the autopsy?
If you can talk then you can get gas into your lungs, but that doesn't mean you're getting sufficient gas exchange at the alveoli to sustain life.
fuck that shit
As a formerly enlisted United States Marine, I can PROMISE you, the HIGHLIGHTS of my career were the annual CS gas training. It SUCKS, yes, but if you can accept this fact, keep you wits, and watch everyone else, you will see some of the funniest shit EVER from seemingly normal adults.
Thanks for the pro tip im doing AF soon
When you exit the chamber.. just keep walking as you remove all your mopp gear ...much less of an after effect
Same here. I prefer it over most other training
LoL, I can agree
Some of the best days, were gas days , i always front of the line that shit , get it over with and then watch everyone else have fun haha one time our instructor put in too many tablets and we couldnt see the guy next to you , all of a sudden POOF a Sarg just appears hahaha best job i ever had
I’ve been exposed to CS multiple times, in both military and law enforcement training settings. I honestly felt nothing worse than some minor involuntary coughing, even whilst a few people next to me vomited uncontrollably. Same thing with pepper spray- some people freaked out hysterically and panicked like headless chickens, whilst some of us barely even winced or complained. Different humans can react wildly differently to the very exact same stimuli. The thing that you watch and think may be brutal, inhumane, and unspeakable torture for all human beings may be nothing but a minor inconvenience for someone else.
Love CS GO
As a marine myself I actually really appreciate the CS training for that very reason and it teaches to keep your emotions at bay and focus on the mission at hand. And to also trust your gear because it works
Shoot, I remember getting PT'd in CS gas, lol. They'd make us do side straddle hops, take off the mask, do some pushups, put it back on, hop some more. Snot would be swayin' from our faces, we'd be coughing, laughing... good times, mate.
Was Mr ballen ever on Rogan?
Boot. Very basic instruction as a Marine and necessary. 👍.
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I'm not sure why it's so hard for people to understand that you want your soldiers ready for anything, which means you have to train them to keep their head in any situation, no matter how terrible or life threatening it may be. It's called war.
Crazy thought to have military people go through harsh realities being trained for war. Who would have thought that would happen?🤦🏾🤦🏾
What is realistic about the training in said video?
@@noamto you don’t think that sort of gas has ever been used during war??
Lmao
*FUNNY FOOTAGE OF JOE SELLING CŔACK:*
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you didn’t even watch the video bruh
Navy Shellback here. I went in the gas chamber with a bad cold, and came out clear as a bell. It was the funniest thing, seeing all the suffering, but we all laughed about it after the pain stopped. It may look horrible but it serves a purpose. I'm happy to have gone through this as well as WOG Day.
I remember being sick all of basic and when we finally got to the Gas Chamber our RDC's singled me out and said "this recruit will no longer be able to milk SIQ". Anyone who has been SIQ knows it blows dick so the entire division had to hide their laughter. Awesome times man. Thanks for signing up bro.
12 year Navy vet here and yep… agree 💯. I’m sooo bummed I never became a shellback. All my cruises were med cruises
You're all wrong. Have a good day
@@TacoJ1LL no you
When life gives you lemons bro 😂😂😂
I joined the Air Force in 2001 right before 9/11 and yes, everyone goes through the gas thing. It's too demonstrate how your MOPP gear works, and you need to know in a non- combat situation how to respond. The principle is practice will give you an advantage in responding. But in reality it was only one time for me, and MOPP exercises were rare, even with threats of biological weapons and such.
Yeah we had gear trading but we weren't actually exposed
Soft ppl trying to tell hard ppl how to build hard men. Blows my mind
I bet you’re such a big hard man
It’s embarrassing
The hardest part about the military is convincing yourself to join in the first place. I was merely a Ranger, but 30 years later, I still appreciate every bite of food, every minute of sleep and every second of the day that I'm warm.
That's what's amusing. 10 people in 60/70 years of severe training. That's pretty fucking impressive.
I think almost all training done by special ops(once training is completed) is classified as "death is imminent".
Source is Jake zweig navy seal video.
“Merely” a Ranger. Lol. Appreciate you. You volunteered for something more arduous than like 90% that join.
Actually, I remember the US Army was losing more guys due to training accidents in the 90’s, around 1k a year, than the entire military lost during the global war on terror.
Welcome to the salty spittoon! How tough are you?
there are also a shitton more people that go to disney world /land than go to seal training. i wonder what it would be as a percentage. guarantee you the seals would have a higher percentage of deaths. i do however believe that they shouldnt change the training. because if you are in hostile territory, those people shooting at you wont be using b b guns. you should be as ready for all situations as possible. preparedness translates to survive-ability.
Yes, Air Force makes you do the gas in basic training. They made us do jumping jacks to force us to breathe and then recite stuff. They wouldn't let us leave the room until we finished. It's not "difficult," it's intimidating. And afterward, it's hilarious to look back on. I love how much it cleared my sinuses out.
Can confirm, although it was paused during the peak of covid.
I had to say my name and hometown and jacked that up pretty bad and had to stay in the room a little longer. Great PT after that and I would absolutely do it again
They asked me where I was from and my favorite type of cake was while doing jumping Jack's lol loved it
Dude, some motherfucker was started the pink eye spread in basic. I was NOT going to go back to the gas course on my own, so I didn't raise my hand.........cleared it right up! Lol
Yup did it in the AF in 2005. They asked me what my dream car was and I had to "walk" out. If you ran they wouldn't open the door
I hear Jocko everytime I hear a seal talk with the defenitive confident clear pronunciation. Love it
Being exposed to CS was one of my best boot camp memories. The reaction of the guy in front of me is something I'll never forget. 😂
(Navy Boot Camp) I knew about a week in advance so I prepared by holding my breath for as long as I could while we marched and got used to exhaling as slowly as possible too. When the day came I could look and move normally without my not-breathing being noticed. I felt sorry for the guys that really had to go through it but for me it was a breeze.
"The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle."
I disagree. For no reason whatsoever. Haven't done my training yet so I'm an asshole. After my training I'll come back and edit my comment, full of shame.
That’s not true…
UFOs and now military classics?! JRE back in his best space
Not really it’s useless, repetitive information
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@@GamingIncMasterTroll like comics talking about how funny they are?
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Here is the recommended clip that explain that :
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The army use to send out a video of the training that the recruits went through after boot camp. My neighbor brought it back with him and we got to see him and the recruits he went in with get gassed, run ragged, etc. we all laughed including him when we watched his face after getting gassed. People are just soft now don’t like seeing loved ones struggle and persevere. Sad to hear about the death of the man.
I have that video somewhere... pretty sure looked like I was going to die while my buddy was basically just coughing...
In Navy bootcamp, I forgot to grab the filter for my gas mask during a training exercise. My RDC saw that I fucked up and put me at the back of the gas room about 6 rows deep. I had to wait my turn to leave breathing in tear gas until it was finally my turn to leave.
The RDC said, “Fucking pay attention to detail before you get out in the fleet and get yourself killed.”
I still think of that whenever I catch myself not paying attention to the task at had. All men need to go through some kind of group training but sadly the country thinks young men need to be soft.
The liberals thinks things need to be soft. Not the real men and women with common sense.
I’ll disagree with your last point. Not all men need to be hardened.
@@koleethan not all tools need the same processing. But would you ever want to use a weak tool? A hammer that couldn’t hammer a nail? A cheap can opener that can’t open? This is military training.
What amazes me is when conservatives are surprised about what’s happening in our country. Do you think the people who destroy our country do it accidentally? Do you think the softening of the military is coming from a good place from the people who are doing it? The destruction of our country has been happening for a very long time and you’ve always sat by and allowed it to happen, merely making fun of the libtards as they actually take positions of power and walk all over you in the real world.
This country is the spreader of Neo Liberalism throughout the world, it has truly become the Great Satan, yet you still sit back and pretend like things aren’t that bad or that if you just vote Republican one more time that it might actually do something.
All of our embassies have rainbow and BLM flags hanging for all to see, this country literally bombs other countries for not being gay or Liberal enough, if a country goes out side the Neo Liberal globo homo order, we sanction them or bomb them into oblivion for not being “democratic” enough.
This country is going to fall soon and the world will be a much better place because of it.
@@johnsmith-ol9qj if they can’t find you handsome they better find you handy - can’t be handy if you can’t be hard
What do people expect high level military training to be? Life is not a cakewalk, how you face adversity is what defines you as a person 👍
But killing your soldiers or giving them long term brain damage is detrimental. No one wants seal training to be easy, but why intentionally fuck them over and harm them lol.
The way this tear gas training was done is not the normal type, and is not even realistic. I've been through that and it's done completely differently.
Why do you want people to lie down in a group and get washed from point blank?
Here in Finland, I wasn't even in high-level military training and we went through similar tear gas training.. there was only one option and that was to DO IT. just do it and cry after, if you feel like it. we actually went one of those huge tents and that was full of tear gas and that shit was awful.. and if I remember right now our military started to do training with mustard gas too
Not even just high level military, I was in the British Army, Royal Engineers. As standard in basic training all units did this. Nobody had any qualms with doing this that I knew of, I bet it's not the recruits themselves complaining about this.
Lmao…not what you’d think. Anyone that tells you what they do is full of dog sh*t.
Combat training at the elite level should have a goal of achieving 90% of what actual combat conditions will be like. It's an old saying, often misused, but still very true - "You fight like you train". Soft training produces soft warriors.
in our history, we've had several times when our troops weren't trained before battle and took terrible losses as a result, Korean war was perfect example --first 6 months was awful
I am in the Army Guard and we get gas chambered once a year. Unless we find a means to sneak out of it. To us, CS gas is funny because it sucks but isn't really dangerous and it is impartial. The first time I experienced CS was a nightmare but honestly the standing outside in the freezing cold for 8 hours before we made it into the chamber was worse than the CS by far.
My wife gets exposed to gas every night.
Hero.
*XD*
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I remember from a German officer memoir that he basically said 1 death in training will save a 100 lives in battle. Combat is a life or death experience and to be the best and get as many soldiers home as possible, training must be have an inherent danger to it.
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@@bigdiction1257 irrelevant to this discussion.
@@bigdiction1257 study context dipshit
@@bigdiction1257 What do ciphers have to do with this?
Joined USAF in 2011 and yes they made us go through the gas chamber. However, if the chamber is under maintenance, there is a chance that a Flight may not have to go through it during BMT. And yes, the chamber sucked. You never realize how much mucus the body creates until you go through that.
USAF Security Police, now Security Forces, went through CS exposure in their Air Base Defense training as well.
This just blew mind. I attended a military academy in Guatemala from 13 to 18y/o. Junior high and highschool. When we were 15 or 16, (my class), in 1982 we had this map navigation 3 day campaign. In one of the largest military bases of the country. Guatemala was sunk in a civil bloody war from 1960 to 1997. So we were trained beyond the normal "toy soldier" school. One night, we had this "night target practice". We all had m1 garands. Yes, we carried them basically for marching from 13, but at 16 we Actually had that kind of training. To my point: at the end of the range , just in front of the targets, there was this 6 feet deep trench. After shooting three 8 cartridge chargers, we had to make a line and go down that trench crouching and yelling our serial number for about 30 yards. Whilst the others were still target practicing. But that's not all, they would feel the trench with tear gas, so we ended up all gagging and involuntarily crying at the end of the run. We saw it as "normal". As a matter of fact that was only the first time. (The tear gas, I mean). We went in different training campaigns, (that's how the called them), every 3 to 6 months. To be honest it was always an adventure. We were 16! We didn't know better. We all wanted to be Rambo. Many of us went to officers school. Some of us dropped out. (I had a drinking problem since highschool), some 1/3 of the class graduated, but half of them were killed or critically injured in combat. The war "ended" in 1997. The Marxist and maoist guerillas ended up proposing "Peace Talks", the conflict was over, but they were able to martir/victim and sell/buy their policies and ideologies into politics and eventually got to government. Now Guatemala is sunk again, but in poverty, drugs and death. Not even the Kaibiles could stop them. Many, many soldiers are still in prison from those days to date...
Thank you for sharing your experience brother.
Im not a military man myself, but Ill say this. The training that these people go through, especially an elite team such as the seals, or something equivalent to that, should be crazy hard, should look insane to non military personnel, should be brutal. The men and women that sign up for this, go through it all, and come out the other side are the people I want fighting for us and our freedoms.
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Ye except not the women. I'd legit rather an army of all untrained men than an army of all trained women. You can't win a war if females are coming home in body bags.
All men
There had NEVER been a woman Navy SEAL.
It’s hard enough to prepare for what the enemy may have in store for you. So to train for any possible threat you may encounter in order to achieve your objectives seems logical.
The issue is the military doesn't say that. If they just came out and said "this is necessary training" it'd be find. Andy's point at the end is the exact reason this shit happens today, we were so tight lipped about everything related to the military that people began to distrust it, so now we're open and transparent trying to build back trust (since you know, drone strikes, black sites ext so on.) but instead of just saying "we want them to understand that their gas masks work and the only way to do that is to have them stand in CS gas with it on, see that they're fine and then take it off and see that they aren't fine" way more people would understand that than wouldn't.
You have to expect this level of scrutiny when you account for roughly 45% of all federal expenditure, as well as a 20 year war, it would be idiotic if we had any less oversite, and we've all seen what happens when you let guys police themselves.
How can Joe not push back on "there should be just public trust that [the CIA and special operations] are doing the right things" lmao
Lol right? "Just let things happen. TRUST US we got it" nah fam
Before the Iraq war 95% of the population did give them that level of trust. Thats why so many supported the war without knowing the exact reason for it. They blew that trust, not just with Iraq but how involved they got with Trump and every anti-establishment politician. Now 50% of the population sees them as the least trustworthy people on earth
The CIA needs to be regulated or abolished. They overstep and violate constitutional rights and abuse their power without any repercussions.
@@JRsBullet you can no longer travel to Dallas after making a statement like that
I think Joe is well past questioning the see-eye-a about their tactics and behavior. On a real level. We're a solid 5 -6yrs past the point of him questioning/speaking against the system in a legit way. Goes back before the Bob Lazar podcast. I think it goes back to the first Mike Baker interview.
I was a USAF Pararescueman for 10 years-Andy trained me on several occasions.
Incredible human being.
PS - we do get gassed in USAF Basic Military Training.
I also went through the gas chamber in 2010 and was a tech school instructor for a few years. There was a point between 2018 and 2021 where they stopped doing it according to some of my students. Damn shame!
Ya they were using CS gas in Denmark aswell 20 years ago during my standard traning.
We didn't do it in '01 at BMT. We did it at first duty station. They were more interested in processing and training the huge number of recruits.
In what ways did he train you? Pool comp?
I believe my graduating class was the last that didn't get gassed in Aug. 2002. The class right behind us had to go through it.
I went through army BASIC in 1999. We all got gassed, it sucks. It's supposed to suck. And all the Drill Sergeants that weren't in the chamber with us, stood outside and laughed at us as we cried, coughed and dry heaved for the next 10 minutes.
Good times 😂 if anything else it gives you a story to talk about
Yeah... You clearly didn't see the video they're referring to.
@@RemedialRob yeah… it’s meant to suck that bad. Guess what? Their CS gas tolerance will greatly benefit from it when they get gassed by op forces.
@@WishMount really? Because when the Army did it to me I got permanent lung damage and a lifetime disability rating. Going into a gas chamber, forcing SOME exposure... that's doctrine... that's training. Jamming billowing clouds of a chlorine based gas known to cause lung conditions into the faces of unprepared trainees is not. One thing neither of these guys mentioned is to get referred to BUDS you have to have already gone through basic training. So the trainees in that video have ALREADY done their CS Gas training. So what exactly is the point of the BUDS instructors making them do it again in such an improper manner?
I love Andy so much. He is my favorite guest, him and Forrest Galante. I just rewatched the US. Olympic Polo team trying to make it through a small version of BUDS!! I was so excited to see Andy was the instructor!!! I think he’s a very well rounded person who knows exactly what he needs and doesnt need and he is a great leader as well. I hope you have him on again and again.😊
Training has definitely changed, when we picked up my brother and sister from booth camp graduation they looked like they were put through the ringer. Picked up my BIL a few years ago and it was a night and day difference. You could visibly tell a difference in their physical and mental demenor. Still though can't imagine going through that type of training. Our military men and women are on another level mentally.
what hard training do 'women' do?
she is just talking sh1t lmao.@@GaZonk100
That's interesting about the young man dying from pneumonia after hell week.
When I was in boot camp in the Army, during phase 2, we were maybe about a month or two away from graduating.
I came down with pneumonia. Now it seemed like it happened all of a sudden, but thinking back I realized I wasn't getting enough sleep to recover each night, I was out in the sun or rain or cold all day, and night. The only symptoms I had was being extremely tired to where I would fall asleep almost standing up, along with no energy and a headache.
Once we got back from (field training) FTX training for 4 or 5 days straight. I ran straight to the barracks bathroom and was with a few battle buddies chatting and all of a sudden I felt a strong cough and proceeded to cough over and over from my lungs. Everyone came up to me asking if I was okay, I said "I'm not sure..." next thing I know I'm coughing into the sink and I saw a LOT of blood which I was coughing up into the sink for like a good 30 seconds.
One of the guys said "hey man, this is serious you need to ask the drill Sgt to go to sick call cause if you keep going to might die."
I agreed it all hit me at once and could barely walk it took two soldiers to help escort me to the drill Sgt office. We explained the situation he said "why are you still here? Hurry up and go!"
Once I got there they immediately took me back because they had to get be a bucket due to me puking up so much blood. Once that took me back into the room I had a 2 nurses and a doctor asking me what had happened and such.
This was the time when I started falling in and out of consciousness, and I remember them telling me "we need to transport you to an off-base hospital because your condition is too severe for us to treat here."
That scared me.
So once the ambulance got there I was in the back strapped down still in my uniform with a bucket puking blood still.
I got to the hospital over an hour later and all I could hear during the times I was awake were the nurses and doctors talking about how serious my condition was and that I might not make it.
They came and asked if there was any family I would like for them to call for me.
To make this long story short they had me on an oxygen mask for most of the day, and started IV antibiotics. Strong ones.
Two days later I was for the most part awake and alert and feeling much better. They had me start walking slowly around the hospital around my floor to get some exercise back. I was in there a total of 5 days. The doctor came and said to me near the end "honestly, we thought we were going to lose you because of how serious your condition was. You are very very lucky."
She also showed me the X-rays they took when I first came in and my whole left lung had a giant white blob she said that was where the pneumonia was and it was spreading. They took X-rays again around day 4 and it seemed it was just a out completely gone.
I APOLOGIZE FOR THE NOVEL YALL I just thought it would be relevant to hear my story along with this one. Thanks for reading.
Keep in mind I was in full battle rattle.
Kevlar helmet, plate carrier with plates, my sidearm on my hip, my M4 rifle with no sling, and the LBV (sp?) Vest I think its called with a full canteen of water, and last but not least my rucksack which weighed at least 40 pounds.
Probably more like 60+
@@Rykiz_Vidz yhank you for your service Sir that is insane im so glad you pulled through
In case anyone is wondering. On day 5 I got my discharge papers from the hospital and my drill Sgt came to get me from the hospital.
He asked me if I was feeling better enough to continue training since we were SO CLOSE to graduation. I joined as OSUT, which is boot camp followed by your job training all rolled into one. So yeah basically about 5 odd months of basic/AIT. Oh yeah with less than 2 months left I did not want to just give up at that point and get recycled or get a discharge without a completion.
Luckily the time I spent in the hospital from my last PT test to the one that we took while I was in the hospital my scores were high enough to pass the 1 that they took while I was in the hospital so they just took my PT scores from the last test and rolled it over to this 1 and they let me continue until I graduated eventually I am so glad that I stuck it out after I got out of the hospital and didn't just decide to quit or go home Because you can never replace that feeling of when you truly accomplish something great like a great feat that truly not a lot of people can say they have done and I feel proud of myself because I learned a lot about myself throughout those 5 some months. I learned my limitations, my weaknesses, as well as my strengths. I'm very grateful for the opportunity I had and I took it and ran with it and I suggest anyone else in the same situation or similar situation do the same.
Maybe even do some program similar to that cause I understand qualms about working for US government, but there's other things out there that can teach you very similar things.
I cannot even list all of the things I learned over my time being there. I see them more as skills because I will at times find myself being a Mcguyver of some sort, but making things work temporarily. As well as learning some Brazillian Jiu Jitsu, how to properly and safely handle multiple sizes and types of firearms, learning how to fix jams while firing, and also cleaning said weapons. I learned loads more confidence about myself as well as to stick up for myself. (More stories about that... I have dozens guys...just ask)
@DurpleDore Kapre also thank you sir. I appreciate the gesture 🙏
Incredible story, I’m so happy you made it through. Thank you for your service
"Evil only prevails when good men do nothing" Thanks to every man and women of the military, we owe you more than your given!
@@SeasoningTheObese lmao, take your trollin ass on somewhere. Like Russia, maybe you can be drafted then you'll be thankful for the men and women who volunteered to take that bullet so you can troll people on the internet.
Bro well said
@@SeasoningTheObese lol, your trashy, like ewww kinda trashy 🤣 I love how u trolls think you know everything bout me, lol. Good luck to your mental health thinking that.
Respect to the youngsters in the military but no one in the US military has ever fought for our freedoms. We actually lost many of our freedoms during these Middle East (very profitable) endless wars.
@@ETAisNOW how did bombing goat herders in the mid east save your freedoms?
he lost me at the "just trust the government " bit
They’re so Brainwashed they repeat what they’re told... they choose their governments over humanity.
Amen
@Dick Izzinya you know black rifle coffee supports veterans right? That’s like half of their cause and the other half is selling coffee.
@@strategygaming5830correction, a quarter of their cause is to project the appearance of “supporting veterans” same with guns, another 1/4 is selling coffee and the last quarter is supporting politicians that undermine veterans and the 2nd amendment.
@@strategygaming5830 you need to do your homework..Fck black rifle coffee
No part of our government is above transparency. The pentagon argued they were for the longest time, and the first time we try to do an audit we come to find out they're un-auditable because hundreds of billions of dollars are missing, lost or wasted. Inter/Military ALWAYS need extreme oversight.
Trillions
According to this CIA creep "just trust us that we are doimg the right thing". Sure, after you tortured and killed thousands and lead us into wars on false pretenses.
It’s mind boggling how so many people who are not the ones going through the training have complaints about how they train. Those guys know what they are signing up for so everyone else should stf up and mind your business and be grateful we have brave people who are willing to go through everything to protect our freedoms.
It’s funny how people who haven’t been through it are outraged but 99% of the people who actually went through it, laugh.
Have you seen the video? It seemed like an excessive amount of gas for a training regime. I have no military experience, but I think the amount of gas used should be consistent among all groups that go through the program
@@yawns3004 you would think that
@@yawns3004 being tough on someone in training, is actually a way of making things easier on them when they're in combat. i'd definitely prefer that than the other way around
@@yawns3004 hahaha shut up.
@@yawns3004 lmao it’s not even. It’s like 10 minutes of uncomfortableness in total. Oc spray directly to the eyes was 10 times worse. We have a soft society. Don’t be one of those people
In the British military CS is used to give everyone confidence that their respirator (gas mask) works and they have a proper seal around their face. It is also used to ensure that when you conduct certain drills like changing canisters or eating and drinking are done correctly. We think it hysterical watching others go through the gas chamber, there is nothing brutal about it, just pretty unpleasant. And we don’t have the option of quitting during this, you are doing it or you’re on a charge.
Good on Great Britain. We. In the colonies have to as well. Lolz
Exactly this! Our drill sergeants told us it was to instill confidence in your pro mask. I was exposed to CS ONCE in basic training. Never again did I take my mask off when we did gas training.
US Air Force does the same, we were in the gas chamber doing PT in full MOPP gear, then we had to take off the mask, and give a reporting statement. We definitely gained an appreciation for the MOPP gear and the value of donning it correctly.
That's how it's supposed to be but here they're using it for hazing just to be mean.
Wow guys great stories 👏
The very last sentence sums all of this right up nicely
USAF vet (enlisted 2015) We went through CS gas exposure and training.
As a 24 year Air Force vet, I was put through the Gas Chamber at my first base. It was part of Chemical, Biological, and Nuclear mitigation training.
How long did the pain last
10 year AF vet here, we had it in boot camp (2003 for me) and every couple years at our duty stations
95, both CS and Pepper Spray... Found out that you can function through both, but pepper spray is far worse than CS (for me at least)
4N051 / IDEMT, Bosnia
@@anthonyzchannel117 10 - 20 minutes... I can chuckle about it now, but it absolutely sucked at that time / evolution
Thank you all for your service. 🇺🇸
There's a saying that goes: "If you think your instructors are bad, wait till you see what your enemy will do to you".
If only they knew that CS gas is nowhere near the hardest part of basic training
General public: that looks too dangerous.
Army: yeah no shit, this is war.
I enlisted in the Air Force in 2006 and it was the best worst decision of my life. We did get gassed and the training and experiences in security forces taught me a lot. It also opened my eyes to how dumb a lot of normal people are and they will argue to the death how things will be and how they should be without even understanding. I even had a kid once yell at me trying to tell me what basic training REALLY is without ever going through it hinself.....
lmao. In reference to your last sentence, people like that blow my mind. "My buddy cousin went through basic and blah blah blah!!!"
Yeah in war youre being tear gassed and singing all the time dumbass. Did not happen a single time, willing to bet. Plus chair force lmao, yall had tents while everyone else gets to sleep in holes.
Agreed
Everyone is an expert on lives they've never lived...I seem to be saying that more and more
I went through in 2005 and got the gas lol it wasn’t even that bad.
Exposure to CS gas is standard training even for normal recruits in Europe. We had to take off our masks in a room full of CS gas then assemble our weapon basically blind while uncomfortable to breath. I am a firm believer in hard challenges makes you better, this goes for anything not only military. Weight training you have to push way beyond your comfort zone to develop muscles, also in IT you have to face impossible problems and figure out a solution for it. All makes you stronger.
I'll agree to this
Sadly, new generations today are afraid of effort and learning through hardships
We ran in our gas suits 5km to the gas room and then they make you go in 3 times first clean skin 2nd time in suit with mask in pouch put in on then purge . Then the 3rd time in suit with mask on . Australian infantry. Burns like the sweat pours of your skin aswell . Over ALL wasn't that bad . They made us try and count and do push ups couldn't breath then they throw us out
@@Max-si2zn always blame us don’t you I got gassed 4 months ago in my training we all had a good laugh don’t put everything on us
As a correctional officer I got gassed for part of my training. Every new class did. Been that way since OC Spray has been utilized in the facility. And I agree, absolutely necessary to be exposed the first time in a controlled environment.
I was in the British Army an we were gassed in basic training, our Cpl took a video an gave it to one of the guys, we watched it back a few days later an it was hilarious!! Been trying to get hold of that video for years
i went to other units, we were gassed on a yearly basis (depending on individual unit)
Arte et Marte
My papa had to go through this when he was in basic training. He told me how awful it was and also how he felt a lot more prepared for what he faced in Korea and Vietnam. If I were in the military and I were going into combat, I would want to know what to expect and to be prepared for it to the fullest extent.
Is your Papa John?
The training is also to show you that the mask works. So when you take it off.... All hell breaks loose. You experience first hand.
@@sayoshinakamario lol
I went thru basic & AIT: MP school. 1989. I thought Basic was tough but nothing close to any tier 1, Green Team, Para Rescue, SF(Q course). We started with around 48 E-1 troops. Our platoon ended with about 40. MP school was more class, academics 🎓. Some MP students could not hack that.
@@DavidLLambertmobile please don’t compare being an MP to buds lol.
As a Cavalry Scout, I was extremely happy with the way my mind and body reacted when faced with direct and indirect fire being thrown my way. The training we went through taught us what to do, and somewhat, what to expect. BTW I went into that CS chamber 10 times in 4 years, and my last 2 years were pretty much spent overseas. In OSUT we had to sing the Army Song before we could leave it, and there was a big tree outside the exit that would wreck you If your eyes weren't open. "My eyes are open and my arms are flapping."
No one likes cav scouts
If you ain’t Cav!
@@freddythescout we all know real men have blue cords
Cav scouts = wannabe infantry
@@freddythescout you ain't shit. Hooah brother
My cousin just graduated the court officer training program in MA. Court officers don't carry firearms. They don't really do much in the way of arresting. It's possible there is a scuffle every so often, but generally with those who are already detained/in waiting cells, usually handcuffed and restrained in some capacity. Even they had to go through a pepper spray training protocol similar to what you would see in State Police / Army basic. Not gas, sure, but still sucks, and these are folks who probably will never have a combat situation occur in their workplace where they would need to know how to react. We should probably be thankful that there are those willing to go through getting gassed rather than shaming them for it.
I was thinking, "Andy, you've gotta consider the source." And then he said it. That was very refreshing.
Airman here, went through basic in 2013. Yes, we got gassed. It honestly wasn’t as bad as I thought it would be.
Chairman? From the United States Chair Force? 😉
Army 2013 I got gassed, actually thought it was fun lol
Did you have to run in a circle with your arms spread while you made airplane noises?
I went through Air Force basic training in 2005 and we most definitely got gassed.
@@mongooseunleashed sometimes. If that's the entertainment Gunny decides on for the evening.
I went through CS gas training in basic training in Ft, LeonardWood , let me tell you when we took off our gas mask we could not breathe, one guy literally passed out I needed to drag him out of the room, it took me about 15 or 20 minutes to recover, it burned like hell. It was to show you your mask does protect you, and it does.
everyone in the Army has to do that. It's part of BCT, not AIT.
Surely, they could just tell you that it works🤣
@@OIFIIIOIF-VET can you explain those terms ? BCT and AIT ?
@@meriemcullen8510 Basic Combat Training - Advanced Individual Training ( your specific job within the military training)
@@meriemcullen8510 basic training and job school
Getting gassed at basic is one of the most memorable moments. Hell, they even photographed it and put it in our "year book". Guys trying to run out and getting hip tossed by the DS, guys throwing up powdered eggs into their gas mask.
I was able to not breath much in when i went through or i just wasn’t effected much by it. I actually left the chamber prenting to be in more pain than i was in just so no one caught on 😂.
Former Marine here. CS gas in basic was fun. We all laughed our asses off after it was done. Maybe not fun while it was happening but hilarious to reflect on it. Our snot was hanging all the way to the floor. That being said, no one should die from pneumonia during training. There should always be medical assessments done. That’s coming as a family nurse practitioner. You can have both safety and incredible training.
bonding in mutual suffering, nothing else builds better camaraderie
Given that this is incredibly rare, to say the least, I'd say the entire situation was a huge exception. You HAVE to do everything in your power to make sure the training is as realistic as the lethal scenarios you're facing. They're training these guys for combat, and all the circumstances that they could potentially encounter (that includes diseases infested 3rd world countries). They don't inject soldiers with pneumonia, then dunk them in a tank of nerve gas, while telling them to "suck it up!"...which is damn-near how you're making it sound. What would you be saying had this guy died of the exact same causes in combat in the desert??? What would you say if the guy was attacked by a great white off the shore of SoCal while training in underwater demolition? Would you say they should ditch the scuba training, and go through the motions on dry land???? Pampering soldiers who's mommy and daddy's might be working in the medical field probably isn't a real good way to get our *ELITE* soldiers "combat ready", dude. Our military is already made up of a bunch of woke, over-weight, p**sies, that signed up for the handouts that go along with being in the military. If this training isn't potentially lethal, then it's pointless. The U.S. military is weak enough right now with all the other left-wing problems we're experiencing, without nerph-ing the training.
@@phillamoore157 when I was in basic I had viral pneumonia and only after I passed out on the parade deck did they send me to sick bay the next morning. Got 3 days light duty and was in the swim tank on Thursday with one day to qualify or get dropped. I made it and got first qualification on the next day. But that made me know I can take anything that came my way. Given that all of us going in are young and in incredible shape it’s rare anyone dies.
I went through in the winter.... ARMY,...we marched by the gas chamber every day for weeks heading out to the ranges, seeing the ever growing piles of green and yellow snot in the snow,. knowing that we would be going through it soon. Fun times.
PA here, the safety here was illusional. if you watch the video, they cant even see the recruits underneath the smoke, is anyone passed out? Aspirating Vomit?
One recruit just did the other day from bacterial pneumonia.The execution of this exercise was grab ass at best.
In 1966 in USMC boot camp we had to take off our masks and sing the Marine Corps Hymn and if anybody f’d up the lyrics we had to start again. It’s amazing how well one’s memory and discipline works under duress if the training prepares one for the worst.
still doing it in 2013 wen i went thru.
Did the same thing in 76, was brutal, people crying, puking and gaging, but we all got through it, this is a joke. Semper Fi brother.
The good ole days! 87
Semper Fi brothers.
Navy basic training here..we had to recite specific General Orders...none of us could remember any🤣🤣we were in the there for a good long "minute"
To all who are serving/have served, thank you for your service. 🇺🇸
I was a server at a restaurant for a while, back when I was a teenager, but I’ve never really thought of myself as a hero, though, to be honest. I was just doing my job, no differently than Lakeisha, Shanice, or Miss Betty.
In addition to serving customers, for two dollars and thirteen cents an hour, plus tips, I’ve played tennis a few times, as well, and, though I wasn’t very good at it, I did have the opportunity to serve, multiple times, on each of those occasions, and, let me just say, the pleasure was all mine.
It was a tremendous honor, quite frankly, getting to serve to my brothers, Jimbo and Skeeter, who each happened to be just as bad at it as I was, and I honestly never even thought twice about it, at the time, as crazy as that sounds. I really can’t explain it, but serving just felt like it was the right thing to do, seeing how it was my turn, and that’s what you do in tennis, and what not.
If I ever had to go back in time, for some strange reason or another, and relive those days, when I was serving, all over again, I can proudly say, with full confidence, that I wouldn’t change a thing. I’d absolutely do it all over again, and I wouldn’t even hesitate, because I know my brothers would do the same for me.
I don’t quite feel comfortable calling myself a hero, still, but I can certainly see that I’m worthy of the title, anyway, without a doubt, so I will, at least, acknowledge that, just so that, hopefully, I won’t come across as being too modest. I still must say that I don’t really think I’m a hero, though, despite the fact that I clearly am one, but I truly appreciate your kindness, anyway, in thanking all the brave, patriotic Americans, like me, who are serving, or have served in the past.
It’s only because of the most heroic men, of unbelievable strength and courage, such as me, that ye are free. If thou love thy country, and all its many neat freedoms, of which I’ve so graciously bestowed upon thee, then ye shall giveth thanks, and bow down to me, for the rest of eternity.
God bless me, for I am a real American hero. Thank me for my service, and God bless America!
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I had to do the OC/OS training with Riv CA sheriffs as one of my work requirements. I learned what involuntary blindness was all about. And my nose was running thick so bad I could hardly breathe. Cold water from the hose was like life. It one if the few times I didn’t care how my hair looked. I got to see
Had to do it in basic. No hose just had to blink like my life depended on it. Had a clear nose the rest of basic
Went through Navy basic in 2013 and had an entire division in a small room with masks. Had several lines of people where everyone took their masks off at once and one by one the Instructors go down the lines where you answer a question. For me it was a general order of a sentry and once you answered your question you ran out of the room. It wasn't that bad.
When my best friend went through basic training in 2005, They sent him home from basic training with a video of him getting gassed so he could show his family.
That's pretty cool!
yea i got one too no idea where it is today
Respect to these men , common sense is great to hear 🇬🇧🇺🇸
I do recall in the Air Force getting gassed. (Mid 1990s). Don’t recall if it was in basic or tech school training. Yep, as explained, snot, mucous, tears etc but nothing bad that can’t be overcome. The Marine hit the nail on the head…these training policies and tactics being questioned and wrote about by folks who don’t have the balls to join the service themselves. (Those weren’t busy exact words but you follow).
I went through this in navy basic training. It’s worse for some people than others. Some guys puke and gag and scream, but others are barely affected. A buddy of mine had recently been pepper sprayed and virtually had no affect on him. I actually went through it twice for ssdf school and second time wasn’t nearly as bad. I’m pretty sure that’s why they do it initially in basic
Please. I went through this in basic Army training in the 80s. Everyone made it through. It’s an experience to impact you to let you know how important it is to wear your protective gas gear.
Its like 30 min of suck.
Did this in 90' at boot camp, love it! Stop being afraid of hard training! The real thing will not be easier.
That’s crazy. In the Army it’s a yearly qualifier, even though most units don’t make it a priority. In my 4yrs I did it 3 times. I was upset because I only thought I had to do it in basic. My 1SG let me know I was sadly mistaken.
Imagine the first time you experience gas was on the battlefield. You'd be panicking trying to breathe giving you and your squad's location away. It could literally be the determining factor of a battle.
What I learned from CS exposure in the military is how important my mask is, and how important getting it on and ensuring the proper fit. Especially when you think about CS gas as a walk in the park compared to what you can face in combat.
Thank you all for your service
As someone who served, albeit not in a role such as these two fine young men, I can say that they are correct about the issues facing the military in general now.
My uncle was in the delta force, now he is apart of JSOC. He is the most capable man I know. He doesn't need affirmation or love. The dude just lives without needing all the shit most of us men yearn for. He rebuilds old trucks as a hobby. It's not about just being physical. It's all mental
Sounds like a psychopath 😂. Respect tho
Sounds like a REAL man to me - someone I'd love to share a few cold ones with!
Uncle robot gives no Fuccs
@@jarl-caysen real mature. Do you just openly disrespect things you simply don’t understand?
I’m sure he’s quietly a tough as nails guy. I appreciate his service
I went through NBC training at Army Basic Training in 1999 and it DEFINITELY wasn't the worse part.
In 2002 the Air Force still used CS gas in basic training
Brutal? in the IDF we also do it in basic training. and its actually a funny ritual where your commanding staff would make you do pushups and answer stupid but funny questions while your tearing up and cant speak haha, good memories
I was 16 when I first had the pleasure of being CS gassed for NBC training at a Junior military college in the UK.
It was one of my favourite classes, the training staff made us sing the National anthem and ball room dance before they would let us out 😂
Even I went through that as a Navy recruit in 2000. No big deal it was over in 20 minutes, it sucked yes but it shows the importance of your gas mask. As a matter of fact that day was better than most of the other days because that was something different and interesting. Also my recruit class was coed and still everyone passed that evolution.
Amen man, all that cleaning for months really took it’s toll on my mental health 😂 When the gas came it suckers but that night I slept so well
Bugging a lawyers communications with a client should be a hanging offense.
My father is a US Airborne Army Ranger, and I have been a part of the military community since the night I was born on Ft Benning. I’ve heard the stories, I know the things they’ve seen and been through. No civilian has any right to determine what training regimens our soldiers go through to prepare them for war and what can come with it. These men and women need to be exposed to certain wartime elements to physically, mentally and emotionally prepare them for the horrific things that they can and will be subject too. Being a soldier requires you to perform above and beyond any expectations of the average citizen. How can you expect your son, daughter, brother or sister to go off to war and return if they have absolutely no idea what to expect when they’re sent to the battlefield? They are not being held against their will. They chose to do this, to stand above the rest of us and to meet the call of duty head on.
Very well articulated cudos to your parents from a fellow vet
The thing one of them says at the end about transparency, “there should be public trust that we’re doing the right thing”, the rubbed me very much the wrong way. It’s demonstrated over and over throughout history that given power with no oversight it’s literally just a matter of time before it’s abused.
Getting gassed in Basic was one of my many great experiences I had. They have these trainings for an important reason.
My father was in the army back in the 80’s and he told me all about when he got to train with gas. This was one of his favorite stories to tell my sister’s and I growing up. I do remember him mentioning San Clemente too. It was his 18th birthday, he was put inside of a small room with some other guys. He said that he was tested with multiple gases in this room. He told me that the scariest one was the last one they used on them. It was odorless and invisible. He was told to take his mask off and as soon as he did, everything turned white! After that they let you outside and you get to run around to get the gas off of you. So if you ever get gassed, run around, don’t use water or try to wipe it off.
3:21 you can hear how everyone was thinking "wtf...okay...cool, Joe" 😂
My experience with CS Gas in Basic Training was great. I have terrible seasonal allergies and after exiting the Hut all the snot ran out of my head and I hadn't felt better. Honestly it did suck, but the after effects were great.
Good grief... when I went to military training in 1984, we all looked forward to the challenge of CS training. It helped build confidence in our protective masks and was a baptism in our mission to serve our country in the harshest conditions imaginable. And it was nowhere near the level of difficulty faced by our troops who served in war zones since.
He makes the point well but I'm at a loss as to why anyone would not immediately assume the gas exposure was to expose them to it first off the battlefield.
We’ll join the military and learn. Or please hush!
One of the primary goals is to build trust in your protective mask (gas mask). It does work well (at least against CS gas).
I never served in the armed forces but in training for a sheriff's office detention deputy, I was exposed to CS gas. As a patrol deputy I was constantly exposed to OC spray.
I was an Army NBC for 21 years and we conducted a CS Chamber annually. Also, went through live nerve agent chamber in NCOES schools.
That's also a part of AIT (i.e. vocational school after basic combat training for non-army reading my comment) as of 2014 when I went though.
You got your scar from the blister agent on your wrist?
This was one of the coolest things in basic, and it is absolutely necessary. If you tried to get out too fast, they send you back through. I had to stop, gather myself, and calm down.
How can you have confidence and efficiency in your equipment in battle if you haven’t tried it yet ? The gas chamber is a good day compared to other training days.
It gives you confidence that you can survive it and get through it!!!
Went through the CS chamber as a New Cadet at West Point. The dude next to me was jumping up and down screaming that he was going to die lol. Everyone ends up being fine, it sucks, but it's supposed to and it shows you the importance of your pro mask.
Bro do you think it had any permanent side effects on you
Sounds like a West Point candidate alright
@@greensword3880 no but right after you feel amazing because all your sinuses are cleared completely
In the coast guard in early 90s we had this training. All ships on east coast went through a yearly refresher training in guantonamo Bay. ALL personal regardless of rank
Went into a fourth yard container over (100 degrees mid July when I did it) gasz was released we had 30 se ones to dawn our masks, we kept them on for 1minute, took them off for 90 seconds (so we would not be able to hold our breath), 30 seconds to get mask back on, 1 minute more with masks on. 5 minutes total to pass. It taught us that as much as that sucked, we could deal with it of need be. Better to have the experience and confidence that we could survive in that situation, than running out of a gassed building or ship compartment into a hail of gunfire in a real life combat situation. Anyone who can not under this is completely irrational
Everyone in my platoon had the flu or colds going in to the CS gas building... on the march back, after it was all over, NO ONE was sick anymore. We were all so happy!
I was in the regular Army, in basic training, and the drill sergeant gently punched me in the gut to make sure I breathed in the gas. lol I was a sneaky mf and they knew it... We all came out of that place, not able to breath basically, more snot coming from my nose than I knew could exist, eyes crying, coughing so hard I thought I might die if I didn't escape. They let us out, obviously... There was always those one or two people it barely affected... lucky ass hats. This was in like, 2010. Not THAT long ago... we had to get gassed like, every few years. Calm down people out there!
Shame they let you out
I was in the Army too and the drill sergeant didn’t punch you in the gut stop lying.
@@jamesstewart8377 Ok... just hard enough to make me take a breath. I hope you have a great day Mr. Stewart.
@@OfAngelsAndAnarchist Well, there was no money going into the military during sequestration and the options kept diminishing quicker than retention could tell us. All good now though!
@@jamesstewart8377 No shit. They didn't punch anyone else. I was the only idiot holding 90% of my breath. Calm down turbo
When I went through the police academy circa 1988, we were exposed to CN and CS. Each cadet had to state their name, SSN etc. It was good, as Andy said, you don't want to be exposed for the first time, during a real world situation. People panic, and think they are dying, and you having the prior experience with the chemical is an advantage.
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