“I don’t think y’all are dumb but…” Part of men’s issue is that the casual misandry is so rampant among women than such statements (which would NOT be tolerated by women if men said this) are fully acceptable…even by women who claim to love us.
This is precisely what I said in her last video. Obi didn’t even attempt to nail her down and make her look at that smh he’s being to nice, attempting to not replicate Kevin Samuels frustration.
And then when you call women out on the misandry , “you’re going back and forth with women “. No ma’am, I’m not allowing you to go forth with a false narrative. Some women really what to have it their way in EVERY situation.
Even in the “don’t point fingers” episode, men are “dumb or manipulators” while women “weren’t in the right head space or didn’t know their worth or gullible”.
She made his point when she asked what he meant about CardiB. That's why the divide is widening. Because women who men can obviously see are intelligent women say manipulative sht to avoid accountability.
I find it hilarious that at the beginning of the video he talked about how some women say " I don't know anybody like that or none of my friends are like that". And by the end of the video she did the exact same thing
Women are solipsistic and birds of a feather. One of their favorite phrases is, "I can only speak for myself"which is another way of saying "I can't violate the sister code. I know with certainty that they will attack me."
The sister code is STRONG in this lady. She’s deflecting these questions the same way Linda Carter deflected bullets with her bracelets as Wonder Woman in the 1970s. That’s all I got. 🤷🏽♂️
If we are just supposed to focus on ourselves and have no accountability towards others, Why are Black Women talking about not being protected by random men in the streets?
I’m glad that dude addressed “niggas ain’t shit”. It was the women that started that. Gossip and reputation destruction are both a woman’s domain and social media provided all women a platform to globalize their methods of aggression. Her having the audacity to pretend as if she didn’t know it was a hashtag is wild to me and borders on gaslighting. How she speaks is so naturally avoidant of concrete accountability. She like most women only take accountability for small things “I can only speak for me” to avoid taking accountability for the larger things “the fact that women like her will go after and get hurt by the same type of men only to then put the blame and onus on the men they don’t choose to fix the problem”. Dude hit the nail on it’s head when he said women are gullible and will lie to themselves to justify staying with the wrong man. As well as how women will essentially choose subordinate men vs the men who are better off than they are because of ego. To add to that women do this so they can call the shots in the relationship and not have to live up to the patriarchal expectations/standards of the men who are better off than they are.
This title is so appropriate. She blamed men for every issue and situation, yet called men dumb. But these same dumb men are somehow manipulating women (who supposed to be smarter)??? Can’t make this shit up
The overuse of the term "narcissist" has been done intentionally. The actual narcissists were getting accurately called out for their behavior and then started calling everyone else one in order to muddy the waters. So if everyone is a narcissist, then no one is. On the other side of that, I think women are inherently narcissistic and with social media and the school systems have ramped that up to maximum narcissism.
BM and accountability is worlds different than BW and accountability.... BM are expected to be and act accountable for everything we do past, present,and future BW treat being accountable and having accountability like a baseball... Afraid to catch it and quick to throw it at someone else
She says "I don't know" a lot giving you nothing to go off of. Which means "She does know something", but is waiting for you to reveal what you know first. This way she can judge and avoid being found out as the person who actually has more to work on than you do. This unintentional way of thinking gets you to like them without being completely honest.
4 minutes into the video she spent more time explaining why she's not holding women accountable or herself accountable for anything then she has an ordinary sense coming out of her mouth
I know these conversations are intended for good, that's why I try to listen with a generous ear, but within the first 4 minutes she was saying things that I had to give the side eye to. How can anyone sincerely talk as if they only stumbled across the gender war "recently"? That alone tells me that she sees the problem completely different than most Black men. The Color Purple, Oprah etc have been going on since the early 80s but she didn't consider any of that part of the gender war even though they still draw on those same talking points? It sounds like she only considered it a problem when men normalized airing their side of things and then she calls it "finger pointing". One of the benefits of Kevin Samuels is that women were actually able to hear how they come across to men and even hear their own toxic and contradictory beliefs. Most men will acknowledge the foolish things that men have done openly and in good faith, if it means that we're moving the discussion forward, women still operate on the hear-no-evil see-no-evil model of not acknowledging anything until someone on a podcast screams it at them or literally rolls back the tape of their own behavior.
The late Kevin Samuels started this conversation, God rest his soul. It's very revealing on both sides (male and female), young and younger/ old and older.
The one thing I've learned being on the planet this long is that when it comes to men and women their actions, the way they think, they're more compass, their expectations what they need, what they want, what they believe they deserve can be awesome to one sentence. Women are the exception, men are generalized.
Men are DUUUMB and SLOOOW yes: when we have to play those childish adolescent Ken & Barbie dating games women seem Soo caught up in still! Yes in that regard men are slow.
I hold my stance on pointing the finger at specifically Western 1st world women, because they are disrespectful to the max. And, that shiii aint got nothing to do with slavery, because if you look back to the so-called black family in the 40's through the 60's women and men were alot more respectful towards eachother regardless of the political environment Common courtesy was a thing. And, im not taking accountability away from men, but men have been held accountable for their short comings from the beginning of time. I'm tired of this garbage, and its to late to talk about it now. Get your Passports Bros, and go where your wanted, and respected. Period; Rize Kingz!✊🏿✊🏾✊🏽✊🏼✊🏻✊!!!!
Attaining a passport and moving to another continent solely to find a wife is not financially responsible, especially pre-retirement. Most men like the idea of teaching western women a lesson.. but are not in the position to even consider moving to a foreign country. Therefore, it is not a viable solution. On top of that, there’s no guarantee that you’ll find good wives in these places.. most will find cheap escorts.. not good wives who will stick by a foreign man for the next 50 yrs. You’re asking men to wing it.. you show them images of women who make less than $10k a year being enamored but men who $250k.. that exact response to immense wealth happens in the US. This whole movement is something that retired vets been doing.. but it makes sense for them because they’re retired with military money.
Accountability for BW: It is your fault that I messed up, you controlling me, my therapist told me you can be a misogynist Accountability for BM: You messed up lets fix the problem together
The moment y'all started talking about Narcissistic behavior it made me think back to a TH-cam channel called the Grapevine. They did a episode about this very thing and tried to blame Black Men SOLELY for having it but they had 2 examples of Women a Black and White that said out their own mouth that they had motherly figures in their life clinically diagnosed with it, showing it goes both ways and the panel completely ignored them.
@@faheemfaquir1024 The channel started spiraling down hill into pure Black Men distaste once the original host Died. She at least tried to make it fair for both parties. But the Gay Co host who eventually took over after her passing never once gave Black Men credit for the things that we were right about. There was always some type of excuse that would come out of his mouth. They even had the nerve to have a Trans Man on panel talking about what it means to be a Black Father in one episode. Edit: Eventually they made a post in the community tab or on IG about how they're stopping with everything. It was about time bcus again once the original host passed it stopped being about Black Women and Men coming together to talk about what's going on in the Community and with each other and more about Black Women and Gay side of things
I started watching that channel back when Bruno Mars culture culture controversy came up. And yeah, they always found a way to lay the blame at men's feet. I still listen Ed to it though because i believe it's important to hear women's point of view to try and find common ground.
@@ShayMarquel I'm all for listening to a woman's point of view but not when they try to make it out as Women are these majestic holy angels and the Men are the demons. But the channel has officially died. When the female host passed the gay host took over and it got worse. He hasn't changed at all, making excuses for the women when they do wrong but hating on the men when we do right
@@kaimobley5324 I'm not surprised. I've noticed that when Black women give the floor to or share the floor with gay men, any topic relating to the cooperation between heterosexual black men and women devolves into misandry.
After decades of pointing fingers at black men now she doesn't want the same level of scrutiny towards black women when the tables are clearly turned. How noble...
"I was young" "He was so much older" "I was in a bad head space" "Men are manipulators" Jesus lady, can we get an oz of accountability from you?? If the above is true, adult women have the emotional and intelligent quotient of a 7 year old. Then proceeds to call men dumb... man WNTT, what's the point here man⁉️⁉️🙄😐
Another BW make an excuses for not being accountable! For their behavior women especially bws, Will cover each other even when they know they're dead wrong!🤬
If they're black men in the comments, please tell me on my tripping. Is she not being passively misandre's towards the men and continuing to give the women Grace, even though she's trying to seem even?
Yea I got that myself like women are in a bad head space when they're and and men are manipulative and wrong on purpose is what I got from that she's a horrible example on a female trying to bridge the gap of our people
@@countryrah I appreciate the response, I really tried to listen to this and not pick at her in my head. I know what I kept hearing, but I really wanted to believe that someone actually cares about our side. I've said this many times : The biggest problem with the black male experience, is it's never legitimate enough.
No, you're not tripping. I picked up the same energy. I prefer to see situations like this as a case study that misandry is much deeper that goes beyond intent. Its so foundational to their belief system that it literally shapes everything.
@@infinitymfg5397 I'm not sure how deep you study this, but if you're interested, I'd love to go over some notes. I pay attention and study the same thing from a case study standpoint.
"The head space they were in when they got w that person." So women are immature children no matter the age... Lovely @WNTT, what's the purpose of these if we cant hold them accountable?
6:30 in, after all her rambling she said something that is so fire 🔥. "You don't even know how to be a go friend much less a good gf/bf", I heard that. Today relationships indeed are mostly focus on sex and feelings, but when that fades then what? On to the next ? For how long? I think that's one thing I could agree with Anton Daniels on , let the person you in relationship with also be your friend and I think that would make for a way more healthy and long term relationship.
This is not about "we all have trauma": the elephant in the room is women have become too masculine! This is nothing to do with "post traumatic slave syndrome". Women feel that the feminine imperative should win out in a relationship. This doesn't evening makes sense: women like men that have social status, money and are socially calibrated. Not to mention women want a man that's 6 ft tall and the rest of it... Basically, a man they can look up to. Which means this guy is better than they are. At which point the feminine imperative can not win out. Women, stop thinking men and women are equal-.we're not. We're attracted to different things in each other. We're capable of performing different things...that's it!!
Omg the , I feel like need to be replaced with I believe, I think , it is in my opinion, my thoughts on that topic etc 😊 overall I am very displeased with how we are against each other and it’s really sad 😢 this was so needed for discussion ❤thanks for presenting it ❤❤😊
1:17-7:20 word salad extra large portion. She spoke for six straight minutes and said next to nothing. 6:38 “I May be rambling “. An ounce of self awareness followed by another 45 seconds of stream of consciousness. 😔
Describing women as "not knowing their worth" is as overused as describing people as narcissistic. Women who avoid or chase away good men is a display of low worth. It's not a person who is unknowledgeable of their own high worth. In no station or position in life is somebody who chases away good people or good things consider a high value people, they just don't know it. If you chase away good clients or customers you're a lousy employee. If you chase away good friends, you're a lousy friend. And I want to say one thing about men dating women with an age gap that no one talks about. It's rarely grooming. It's trying to keep the enjoyment of dating without having somebody who's going to be going against you just for the sake of going against you. If you're going to be involved with somebody and are going to be not only looking out for them and doing things that make their life enjoyable, but expected to do that, you're not going to be wanting somebody who doesn't listen to you when you occasionally want them to do things that make it easier for you to do what's expected from you.
I've noticed in the comments of all these videos there's about 90 percent men in them. That goes to show whose actually striving to better themselves by gaining a better understanding and whose actually trying to find a solution to this bm and bw conflict. It's the same ratio at the gyms also. Salute to you BM
I’m a documentary filmmaker, and years ago, I was here by actor Malik Yorba to film a MENS SUPPORT GROUP for men across America who had their children weaponized against them in social love and financial. And I never saw so many , hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of men in one place so sad, and the theme of black female accountability for actions and decisions was non stop, simple accountability, no men talking hateful about the women who were destroying their lives and it’s not men pointing fingers it’s women hating the theme and idea of accountability, because if you ( FEEL) “blamed” is it a fact or a feeling what your being “blamed” for. When it comes to black female accountability their rules are never ever ever eve the same For what they “BLAME” Men for, EVER, never ever, ever. I’ve shot these stories, across the country, and as a man who does not have kids yet, this moment, cause I’m waiting to be married ( which always gets me weird looks and vocal shame from black women, asking me what’s wrong with me ( for decided my own personal and raised way) I’d not experienced this level of what’s now called “the red pill” till that documentary job. Score and scores and scores of sad black men, alllll wanting to simple see and be with their children.
The question of men staying out of women's business had this young lady go through 6 or 7 different processes to only come back to making men the blame. Without giving a logical answer to the initial question. Mmm.
I will be honest it is a big red flag when you are speaking to an individual that continuously say " I FEEL or I BELIEVE". I say this to my girlfriend all the time I can't so much understand how you feel nor can I fully understand your emotions because they're your own I can only understand the facts data and statistics that you place. When you say I feel or I believe it's almost your emotional preference and everybody's emotions are different that's the reason why when you look at an art piece with five other people all five of you are looking at the same painting but you all five are experiencing five different emotional reactions. It's easier to relate to an individual or individuals in a room if you're able to use data statistics or facts that everybody can see and understand and not emotions that you feel because what she feels can be totally different from what you feel even though you both experience the same thing or is looking at the same thing.
All these new terms and ideologies to justify not be accountable. Men cannot become successful in our life pursuits, including building families and personal relationships. It's on the women to help each other, since men can't tell them anything. God Bless. 💯
Smh.. women always say, "men can manipulate younger women. ".. like, how about the one manipulating the one their own damn age!!?? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 My fiancée and I are 10 years apart, and we DONT manipulate each other for anything!! That's a trait by the person to seize control overall.. we dont have that dynamic here at home.. 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
I wish you would have asked her about how she would have characterized her exes...it seemed that she would have made the same manipulator, narcissistic etc. claims! Also, since she doesn't agree that black women have the "can't tell me anything attitude", who provides her with masculine direction? She seems like the typical older woman who after not allowing herself to be guided in wisdom, now feels she is more valuable than when she was younger and less abused. Bet she elevated her standards to such a degree that very few men would find her agreeable. Get that box wine and her cats ready! winter is here !
Women who have great jobs and make great money, have pledge allegiance to "zaddy"; earning validation from zaddy; and need to be validated in other ways... hence Pookie and Ray Ray! These women are busy earning the ATTENTION from their jobs..and all that comes with that.
“I didn’t know it was so much animosity until a few years ago…” interesting, because at her age, she has lived through the decades of “BM ain’t 💩” and was born and raised in a society where the laws and policy are dictated by 3rd wave feminism. She was born into it. BW certainly don’t realize that they had help, government assistance, and NOT just the poor women receiving food stamps. Title IX, big corporations funding programs and grants to promote black girls, while demoting black boys, it’s been an all out war against black boys who are to become the black men that “ain’t 💩” Not to divagate, but does anyone notice how difficult it is for BW to criticize or hold other BW accountable, while the critique of BM rolls off the tongue so easily. It is the same with taking accountability and responsibility for their collective actions. The sisterhood is strong. The Matriarchal structure of so called Black communities is strong and they will NEVER accept responsibility, accountability for their part in destroying those same communities. Because that means they would have to change. That ain’t happening..
I don’t believe that people grow. I believe we are exactly who we are suppose to be. I believe that we may change or evolve into someone else depending on circumstances and if an opportunity restitution self.
While I'm not here to downplay or diminish the deep-seeded rifts we have towards each other that may have even gone as far as to set precedents, I just have a few questions if we're going to call all of this a gender WAR: 1 in a war stratagem is key to victory. So what stratagem does each side have in order to guarantee victory over the other? Moreso is that the goal itself - for one side to defeat the other? Feminism although black women have been participants of it for the last couple decades was a white supremacy stratagem not theirs so victory in this case must be attributed to white supremacy 2 in war there are gains or spoils to be had once the enemy is vanquished. So what does the black man gain by vanquished black women and vice versa? Presumably if we carried this out to its logical conclusion if either side won they'd be left to contend with white supremacy on their own, at that point in which either side will surely be defeated. So how does this war spell victory for black people? I grow weary of the term GENDER WAR and I fear that this term has overextended itself to a point of complacency. I have no stake in this war and those that do I believe won't see the end until its too late.
I don't know why the statement 'on both sides' triggers me so much... But man... Also... Im really offended at how the host tends to talk as if men are slow and dumb. And he's a man. This doesn't speak to his objectivity in these conversations. Men aren't deficienct in general any more than women are. And I'm unsure of how that narrative has been planted even in his head.
"Both sides" speaks to the struggle with accountability. If male shortcomings are acknowledged without pushback... But female flaws are seen as universal traumas that "both sides" struggle with... It dismisses the legitimacy of any efforts to generalize women. (Congratulations: you've just been gaslighted.)
The 'on both sides' is problematic because it's usually said when the jig is up and the person knows that they aren't getting clean shots anymore. Its analogous to a group of people eating a meal in a restaurant, one person gorges themselves while the others eat salads and drink water and when the check comes the pig says, let's divide it evenly.
A general problem with the format of the show is that women tend to aimlessly babble. You have to redirect them to keep the interview interesting. This is becoming painful.
I just feel like.... I feel like..... I mean, but I feel like.... this "I feel like" response is cringe. You should only use "I feel" when necessary, not in a conversation. "I feel" should come into play when you are introspectively speaking on yourself, not interdependent issues. When a conversation is concerning society or general issues, there should be an observation, your perspective of that observation, and then some potential thought through solutions to resolve what you observe. We need more problem solving conversations like this channel.
People confuse Cardi B "the character" versus Cardi B "the wife and mother" Plus, this has been going on way before Cardi B was a thing. Or Megan or any of them. Cardi B the mother/wife ain't doing shit Cardi B the character does. Same thing with Beyonce and many others. They're wives. Cause if people truly followed Cardi B or Beyonce they'd be able to make that distinction.
Notice how with every female it’s “I FEEL”….I feel like….I feel like…..cause they deal with the world via EMOTIONS. But emotions are not LOGIC. As soon as they start talking about “I FEEL” I tune them out. Not trying to hear that sh!t bruh.
So what's she's saying is "women and men should focus on individual growth through the help of groups" (which is great and individual mindset and based on individual ideals). But if you're saying that: in order to accomplish that, a community of women and a community of men should get together to help men and women accomplish individual goals that at no point will be for the purpose of them contributing to the group or a person from that group to help them also build themselves individually, that does not make any sense to me! How can you look to a group of the same sex to help you grow but contribute NOTHING TO THE GROWTH OF THAT GROUP! THE VERY EFFORT OF THE GROUP HELPING YOU IS THE EFFORT OF YOU HELPING THE GROUP MY SISTER! BUT IT TAKES COMMON SENSE TO KNOW THAT 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Stop bringing these post wall women on the show. She is already for the streets and not coachable. Pls focus on women below 23 who just left college or are in school. Leave these 30+ 304s. In 90% of the world a 30+ women words don't matter because she had her youth and misused it with pookie n rayray. Focus on the younger women before they also become baby mamas or single at 32 with no man 😂
22:43 What’s the difference between a woman dealing with someone that’s beneath her because she feels small and an older man dealing with a younger woman (of age, of course) because he doesn’t feel up to par?
Women are more emotional manipulators than men, men are more materialistic manipulators than women, but both can be logically and linguistically manipulators. Also just make it easier to understand when I mean by more I'm meaning more efficient, better at, more skilled than the other side.
Heathens need to stop complaining. Marty before you carry. Yes, there are times when married people fail in their relationship. But trying to do things right has a better outcome than trying to do things because you can or the I'm grown mentality.
SISTER... I'm just going to give you a pull up your smile is nice but, you already said men are slow so when you say men aren't dumb but...... smh. Lmaooo. Peace Sister. ✌️
Only an ignorant individual would compare accountability to the "blame game" (that women are experts in playing) !! Smdh Every right thinking person knows the difference between accountability and "the blame game" but women like her always find some misunderstanding our false insecurities to blame this stuff on when the responsibility is steering men and women in the face... "No it's not about women's lack of accountability it's the men throwing blame that is the real issue" 👀👀👀 SMFH She is basically basking in the same unaccountable mindset that men have been talking about and blames the issues on something else 🙄How amazing 😂😂😂😂😂
Miss you lost me when you said a whole group of women can be accountable for a group of women that's dumb that's really dumb because if you be the very sense that you are a group of women mean that you're coming together okay so if you come together as a group of women but you can't hold a group of women that you are in a bond with group-wise ivy you are incompetent or you are on accountable. Individually yes you contribute but it's the group effort it's the group effort that really makes an impact on the group so again this is just a bunch of flip flopping back and forth with women these days women just can't seem to hold other women accountable!!!
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“I don’t think y’all are dumb but…”
Part of men’s issue is that the casual misandry is so rampant among women than such statements (which would NOT be tolerated by women if men said this) are fully acceptable…even by women who claim to love us.
This is precisely what I said in her last video. Obi didn’t even attempt to nail her down and make her look at that smh he’s being to nice, attempting to not replicate Kevin Samuels frustration.
It’s so backed into our “culture”. I don’t need extra people talking down to me.
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That statement followed by the laughter, the disrespect is real.
And then when you call women out on the misandry , “you’re going back and forth with women “. No ma’am, I’m not allowing you to go forth with a false narrative. Some women really what to have it their way in EVERY situation.
Even in the “don’t point fingers” episode, men are “dumb or manipulators” while women “weren’t in the right head space or didn’t know their worth or gullible”.
Yup... + I was young....
She made his point when she asked what he meant about CardiB. That's why the divide is widening. Because women who men can obviously see are intelligent women say manipulative sht to avoid accountability.
"What that mean?" FOH
Deflection tactic
I find it hilarious that at the beginning of the video he talked about how some women say " I don't know anybody like that or none of my friends are like that". And by the end of the video she did the exact same thing
Women are solipsistic and birds of a feather. One of their favorite phrases is, "I can only speak for myself"which is another way of saying "I can't violate the sister code. I know with certainty that they will attack me."
The sister code is STRONG in this lady.
She’s deflecting these questions the same way Linda Carter deflected bullets with her bracelets as Wonder Woman in the 1970s.
That’s all I got. 🤷🏽♂️
Bro I've said this soo many times. What Is going on? Only if men could do the same. Unimaginable power
If we are just supposed to focus on ourselves and have no accountability towards others, Why are Black Women talking about not being protected by random men in the streets?
I’m glad that dude addressed “niggas ain’t shit”. It was the women that started that. Gossip and reputation destruction are both a woman’s domain and social media provided all women a platform to globalize their methods of aggression. Her having the audacity to pretend as if she didn’t know it was a hashtag is wild to me and borders on gaslighting. How she speaks is so naturally avoidant of concrete accountability.
She like most women only take accountability for small things “I can only speak for me” to avoid taking accountability for the larger things “the fact that women like her will go after and get hurt by the same type of men only to then put the blame and onus on the men they don’t choose to fix the problem”. Dude hit the nail on it’s head when he said women are gullible and will lie to themselves to justify staying with the wrong man. As well as how women will essentially choose subordinate men vs the men who are better off than they are because of ego.
To add to that women do this so they can call the shots in the relationship and not have to live up to the patriarchal expectations/standards of the men who are better off than they are.
Excellent guest! Her points on accountability and not seeing red flags when you’re in a bad emotional space were spot on.
This title is so appropriate. She blamed men for every issue and situation, yet called men dumb. But these same dumb men are somehow manipulating women (who supposed to be smarter)??? Can’t make this shit up
The overuse of the term "narcissist" has been done intentionally. The actual narcissists were getting accurately called out for their behavior and then started calling everyone else one in order to muddy the waters. So if everyone is a narcissist, then no one is. On the other side of that, I think women are inherently narcissistic and with social media and the school systems have ramped that up to maximum narcissism.
BM and accountability is worlds different than BW and accountability....
BM are expected to be and act accountable for everything we do past, present,and future
BW treat being accountable and having accountability like a baseball... Afraid to catch it and quick to throw it at someone else
It was so hard listening to her talk in circles.
Shes full of CAP
She says "I don't know" a lot giving you nothing to go off of. Which means "She does know something", but is waiting for you to reveal what you know first. This way she can judge and avoid being found out as the person who actually has more to work on than you do. This unintentional way of thinking gets you to like them without being completely honest.
Whenever someone says "I don't follow " or " I don't do that "...they typically are the ring leaders of those movements. Trust and believe .
4 minutes into the video she spent more time explaining why she's not holding women accountable or herself accountable for anything then she has an ordinary sense coming out of her mouth
I know these conversations are intended for good, that's why I try to listen with a generous ear, but within the first 4 minutes she was saying things that I had to give the side eye to. How can anyone sincerely talk as if they only stumbled across the gender war "recently"? That alone tells me that she sees the problem completely different than most Black men. The Color Purple, Oprah etc have been going on since the early 80s but she didn't consider any of that part of the gender war even though they still draw on those same talking points?
It sounds like she only considered it a problem when men normalized airing their side of things and then she calls it "finger pointing". One of the benefits of Kevin Samuels is that women were actually able to hear how they come across to men and even hear their own toxic and contradictory beliefs.
Most men will acknowledge the foolish things that men have done openly and in good faith, if it means that we're moving the discussion forward, women still operate on the hear-no-evil see-no-evil model of not acknowledging anything until someone on a podcast screams it at them or literally rolls back the tape of their own behavior.
Thank you for introducing this conversation. I really appreciate the work you do.
The late Kevin Samuels started this conversation, God rest his soul. It's very revealing on both sides (male and female), young and younger/ old and older.
The one thing I've learned being on the planet this long is that when it comes to men and women their actions, the way they think, they're more compass, their expectations what they need, what they want, what they believe they deserve can be awesome to one sentence. Women are the exception, men are generalized.
Men are DUUUMB and SLOOOW yes: when we have to play those childish adolescent Ken & Barbie dating games women seem Soo caught up in still! Yes in that regard men are slow.
I hold my stance on pointing the finger at specifically Western 1st world women, because they are disrespectful to the max. And, that shiii aint got nothing to do with slavery, because if you look back to the so-called black family in the 40's through the 60's women and men were alot more respectful towards eachother regardless of the political environment Common courtesy was a thing. And, im not taking accountability away from men, but men have been held accountable for their short comings from the beginning of time. I'm tired of this garbage, and its to late to talk about it now. Get your Passports Bros, and go where your wanted, and respected. Period; Rize Kingz!✊🏿✊🏾✊🏽✊🏼✊🏻✊!!!!
Attaining a passport and moving to another continent solely to find a wife is not financially responsible, especially pre-retirement.
Most men like the idea of teaching western women a lesson.. but are not in the position to even consider moving to a foreign country. Therefore, it is not a viable solution.
On top of that, there’s no guarantee that you’ll find good wives in these places.. most will find cheap escorts.. not good wives who will stick by a foreign man for the next 50 yrs.
You’re asking men to wing it.. you show them images of women who make less than $10k a year being enamored but men who $250k.. that exact response to immense wealth happens in the US.
This whole movement is something that retired vets been doing.. but it makes sense for them because they’re retired with military money.
She just a earthy feminist when she keeps talking
Accountability for BW: It is your fault that I messed up, you controlling me, my therapist told me you can be a misogynist
Accountability for BM: You messed up lets fix the problem together
The moment y'all started talking about Narcissistic behavior it made me think back to a TH-cam channel called the Grapevine. They did a episode about this very thing and tried to blame Black Men SOLELY for having it but they had 2 examples of Women a Black and White that said out their own mouth that they had motherly figures in their life clinically diagnosed with it, showing it goes both ways and the panel completely ignored them.
I used to enjoy that show but did notice the skewed view on males and heavy homosexual presence.
@@faheemfaquir1024 The channel started spiraling down hill into pure Black Men distaste once the original host Died. She at least tried to make it fair for both parties. But the Gay Co host who eventually took over after her passing never once gave Black Men credit for the things that we were right about. There was always some type of excuse that would come out of his mouth. They even had the nerve to have a Trans Man on panel talking about what it means to be a Black Father in one episode.
Edit: Eventually they made a post in the community tab or on IG about how they're stopping with everything. It was about time bcus again once the original host passed it stopped being about Black Women and Men coming together to talk about what's going on in the Community and with each other and more about Black Women and Gay side of things
I started watching that channel back when Bruno Mars culture culture controversy came up. And yeah, they always found a way to lay the blame at men's feet. I still listen Ed to it though because i believe it's important to hear women's point of view to try and find common ground.
@@ShayMarquel I'm all for listening to a woman's point of view but not when they try to make it out as Women are these majestic holy angels and the Men are the demons. But the channel has officially died. When the female host passed the gay host took over and it got worse. He hasn't changed at all, making excuses for the women when they do wrong but hating on the men when we do right
@@kaimobley5324 I'm not surprised. I've noticed that when Black women give the floor to or share the floor with gay men, any topic relating to the cooperation between heterosexual black men and women devolves into misandry.
After decades of pointing fingers at black men now she doesn't want the same level of scrutiny towards black women when the tables are clearly turned. How noble...
Of course
One of your best interviewees, if that's a word.
"I might be rambling..."
NAAAAAHHHHHHHH, REEEAAALLLYYYY????
If men are "slow" and the "slow" man is getting over on the women... what does that make the women?
"I was young"
"He was so much older"
"I was in a bad head space"
"Men are manipulators"
Jesus lady, can we get an oz of accountability from you?? If the above is true, adult women have the emotional and intelligent quotient of a 7 year old. Then proceeds to call men dumb... man WNTT, what's the point here man⁉️⁉️🙄😐
Another BW make an excuses for not being accountable! For their behavior women especially bws, Will cover each other even when they know they're dead wrong!🤬
If they're black men in the comments, please tell me on my tripping. Is she not being passively misandre's towards the men and continuing to give the women Grace, even though she's trying to seem even?
Yea I got that myself like women are in a bad head space when they're and and men are manipulative and wrong on purpose is what I got from that she's a horrible example on a female trying to bridge the gap of our people
@@countryrah I appreciate the response, I really tried to listen to this and not pick at her in my head. I know what I kept hearing, but I really wanted to believe that someone actually cares about our side. I've said this many times : The biggest problem with the black male experience, is it's never legitimate enough.
No, you're not tripping. I picked up the same energy. I prefer to see situations like this as a case study that misandry is much deeper that goes beyond intent. Its so foundational to their belief system that it literally shapes everything.
@@infinitymfg5397 I'm not sure how deep you study this, but if you're interested, I'd love to go over some notes. I pay attention and study the same thing from a case study standpoint.
I'm definitely perceiving that as well. I never witnessed any firm examples of her merely suggesting that women should take any accountability.
Everything is I feel. Just like KS was saying.
"The head space they were in when they got w that person."
So women are immature children no matter the age... Lovely
@WNTT, what's the purpose of these if we cant hold them accountable?
6:30 in, after all her rambling she said something that is so fire 🔥. "You don't even know how to be a go friend much less a good gf/bf", I heard that. Today relationships indeed are mostly focus on sex and feelings, but when that fades then what? On to the next ? For how long? I think that's one thing I could agree with Anton Daniels on , let the person you in relationship with also be your friend and I think that would make for a way more healthy and long term relationship.
This is not about "we all have trauma": the elephant in the room is women have become
too masculine! This is nothing to do with "post traumatic slave syndrome".
Women feel that the feminine imperative should win out in a relationship.
This doesn't evening makes sense: women like men that have social status, money and are socially calibrated. Not to mention women want a man that's 6 ft tall and the rest of it...
Basically, a man they can look up to. Which means this guy is better than they are. At which point the feminine imperative can not win out.
Women, stop thinking men and women are equal-.we're not. We're attracted to different things in each other. We're capable of performing different things...that's it!!
Omg the , I feel like need to be replaced with I believe, I think , it is in my opinion, my thoughts on that topic etc 😊 overall I am very displeased with how we are against each other and it’s really sad 😢 this was so needed for discussion ❤thanks for presenting it ❤❤😊
thanks for seeing the larger picture 🙏🏿
@@wnttalk oh absolutely! Plz keep up the great work … it’s helpful and inspiring 😊
@@tonileolion9702 I definitely will!!
The More they talk, the more I see why majority will end up alone and/or resentful.
The WeNeedToTalk “I Feel Like…” Shot Olympics start next episode.
Imma be drunk 10 minutes in EVERY TIME!
Gonna need a bunch of sponsors if I compete....and also time/ resources to train ..!
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Nah you’d die of alcohol poisoning, don’t do it
@@MRHEEL-ys2rq 😂😂😂😂
@@dasmith1207 theres no training for this. Its not possible. Just gotta do it
1:17-7:20 word salad extra large portion. She spoke for six straight minutes and said next to nothing.
6:38 “I May be rambling “. An ounce of self awareness followed by another 45 seconds of stream of consciousness. 😔
Describing women as "not knowing their worth" is as overused as describing people as narcissistic. Women who avoid or chase away good men is a display of low worth. It's not a person who is unknowledgeable of their own high worth.
In no station or position in life is somebody who chases away good people or good things consider a high value people, they just don't know it. If you chase away good clients or customers you're a lousy employee. If you chase away good friends, you're a lousy friend.
And I want to say one thing about men dating women with an age gap that no one talks about. It's rarely grooming. It's trying to keep the enjoyment of dating without having somebody who's going to be going against you just for the sake of going against you. If you're going to be involved with somebody and are going to be not only looking out for them and doing things that make their life enjoyable, but expected to do that, you're not going to be wanting somebody who doesn't listen to you when you occasionally want them to do things that make it easier for you to do what's expected from you.
I've noticed in the comments of all these videos there's about 90 percent men in them. That goes to show whose actually striving to better themselves by gaining a better understanding and whose actually trying to find a solution to this bm and bw conflict. It's the same ratio at the gyms also. Salute to you BM
@19:00 dammit I wish you asked her if Jada Pinket-Smith was/is manipulative. To clarify.
Why is always trauma inherent education. The only struggle they have is dealing with the men she dealt with.
I’m a documentary filmmaker, and years ago, I was here by actor Malik Yorba to film a MENS SUPPORT GROUP for men across America who had their children weaponized against them in social love and financial. And I never saw so many , hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of men in one place so sad, and the theme of black female accountability for actions and decisions was non stop, simple accountability, no men talking hateful about the women who were destroying their lives and it’s not men pointing fingers it’s women hating the theme and idea of accountability, because if you ( FEEL) “blamed” is it a fact or a feeling what your being “blamed” for. When it comes to black female accountability their rules are never ever ever eve the same
For what they “BLAME”
Men for, EVER, never ever, ever. I’ve shot these stories, across the country, and as a man who does not have kids yet, this moment, cause I’m waiting to be married ( which always gets me weird looks and vocal shame from black women, asking me what’s wrong with me ( for decided my own personal and raised way) I’d not experienced this level of what’s now called “the red pill” till that documentary job. Score and scores and scores of sad black men, alllll wanting to simple see and be with their children.
The fact she had to ask about the cardiness. Says everything
Real life over Feel like… Reality > Feels
Women can hold each other accountable just as men do generally speaking.
False. They usually just blame men for whatever their issues are.
@@AlexMinor I'm fully aware of what bw do. I'm just sayin it would help if they started holding each other accountable. This is not false
I think what you mean by "can" is capable of...despite ALL evidence to the contrary
@@tommytee6290 I'm mean "can" if they were willing to 🤷🏿♂️🤣
@@rickburns9156 exactly... capable... having the ability... it's a matter of willingness
The question of men staying out of women's business had this young lady go through 6 or 7 different processes to only come back to making men the blame. Without giving a logical answer to the initial question. Mmm.
This Woman clearly doesn't think much of Men in general. This was kind of depressing to watch. Is it just me?
Land the plane sis... Yada Yada yada
I lost count of how many times I heard "I feel like"... I know that's how most women talk, but it makes my ass itch!!!
In the end it's always the man's fault 🤦🏾♂️ accountability=kryptonite
I will be honest it is a big red flag when you are speaking to an individual that continuously say " I FEEL or I BELIEVE". I say this to my girlfriend all the time I can't so much understand how you feel nor can I fully understand your emotions because they're your own I can only understand the facts data and statistics that you place. When you say I feel or I believe it's almost your emotional preference and everybody's emotions are different that's the reason why when you look at an art piece with five other people all five of you are looking at the same painting but you all five are experiencing five different emotional reactions. It's easier to relate to an individual or individuals in a room if you're able to use data statistics or facts that everybody can see and understand and not emotions that you feel because what she feels can be totally different from what you feel even though you both experience the same thing or is looking at the same thing.
All these new terms and ideologies to justify not be accountable. Men cannot become successful in our life pursuits, including building families and personal relationships. It's on the women to help each other, since men can't tell them anything. God Bless. 💯
She seems sweet but I can see the potential for problems
Denial, deflection and excuses......
Black men get your passports. Let them have this fight between themselves
“I feel like”
Smh.. women always say, "men can manipulate younger women. ".. like, how about the one manipulating the one their own damn age!!?? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
My fiancée and I are 10 years apart, and we DONT manipulate each other for anything!! That's a trait by the person to seize control overall.. we dont have that dynamic here at home.. 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Funny how all the women who can't be told anything are never present when the fact is brought up.
I wish you would have asked her about how she would have characterized her exes...it seemed that she would have made the same manipulator, narcissistic etc. claims! Also, since she doesn't agree that black women have the "can't tell me anything attitude", who provides her with masculine direction? She seems like the typical older woman who after not allowing herself to be guided in wisdom, now feels she is more valuable than when she was younger and less abused. Bet she elevated her standards to such a degree that very few men would find her agreeable. Get that box wine and her cats ready! winter is here !
Accountability is only an expectation of BM, BW always include men in their accountability
She is really pretty 😍😍😍😍
Stop letting these women ramble off nonsense. They need logic.
Women who have great jobs and make great money, have pledge allegiance to "zaddy"; earning validation from zaddy; and need to be validated in other ways... hence Pookie and Ray Ray!
These women are busy earning the ATTENTION from their jobs..and all that comes with that.
“I didn’t know it was so much animosity until a few years ago…”
interesting, because at her age, she has lived through the decades of “BM ain’t 💩” and was born and raised in a society where the laws and policy are dictated by 3rd wave feminism. She was born into it.
BW certainly don’t realize that they had help, government assistance, and NOT just the poor women receiving food stamps. Title IX, big corporations funding programs and grants to promote black girls, while demoting black boys, it’s been an all out war against black boys who are to become the black men that “ain’t 💩”
Not to divagate, but does anyone notice how difficult it is for BW to criticize or hold other BW accountable, while the critique of BM rolls off the tongue so easily.
It is the same with taking accountability and responsibility for their collective actions.
The sisterhood is strong. The Matriarchal structure of so called Black communities is strong and they will NEVER accept responsibility, accountability for their part in destroying those same communities. Because that means they would have to change.
That ain’t happening..
I don’t believe that people grow. I believe we are exactly who we are suppose to be. I believe that we may change or evolve into someone else depending on circumstances and if an opportunity restitution self.
While I'm not here to downplay or diminish the deep-seeded rifts we have towards each other that may have even gone as far as to set precedents, I just have a few questions if we're going to call all of this a gender WAR:
1 in a war stratagem is key to victory. So what stratagem does each side have in order to guarantee victory over the other? Moreso is that the goal itself - for one side to defeat the other? Feminism although black women have been participants of it for the last couple decades was a white supremacy stratagem not theirs so victory in this case must be attributed to white supremacy
2 in war there are gains or spoils to be had once the enemy is vanquished. So what does the black man gain by vanquished black women and vice versa? Presumably if we carried this out to its logical conclusion if either side won they'd be left to contend with white supremacy on their own, at that point in which either side will surely be defeated. So how does this war spell victory for black people?
I grow weary of the term GENDER WAR and I fear that this term has overextended itself to a point of complacency. I have no stake in this war and those that do I believe won't see the end until its too late.
I don't know why the statement 'on both sides' triggers me so much... But man...
Also... Im really offended at how the host tends to talk as if men are slow and dumb. And he's a man. This doesn't speak to his objectivity in these conversations.
Men aren't deficienct in general any more than women are. And I'm unsure of how that narrative has been planted even in his head.
"Both sides" speaks to the struggle with accountability.
If male shortcomings are acknowledged without pushback...
But female flaws are seen as universal traumas that "both sides" struggle with...
It dismisses the legitimacy of any efforts to generalize women. (Congratulations: you've just been gaslighted.)
The 'on both sides' is problematic because it's usually said when the jig is up and the person knows that they aren't getting clean shots anymore.
Its analogous to a group of people eating a meal in a restaurant, one person gorges themselves while the others eat salads and drink water and when the check comes the pig says, let's divide it evenly.
Just leave these bw women alone they’re literally a threat to your life black men like fr fr leave them alone they are not worth it at all fr
@weneedtotalk salute brother
Real Narcissists are like 1 or 2% of the population in reality…..lol.
I’d say a lot of todays women are narcissistic.
She don’t make no sense, I been raised with women like her.
Manipulation is a tool we all employ, men and women?
She said ninjas not shit is a hashtag? That’s a thing? She’s so into the sister code. She’s hurt
Just another girl who rambles on in her feelings, not understanding that men really don't want to hear all that stuff.
That last answer felt so wrong, convuluated and unsatisfying.
A general problem with the format of the show is that women tend to aimlessly babble. You have to redirect them to keep the interview interesting. This is becoming painful.
That first seven minutes was really hard for me to get through. I humbly suggest tighter, moderation.
I just feel like.... I feel like..... I mean, but I feel like.... this "I feel like" response is cringe. You should only use "I feel" when necessary, not in a conversation. "I feel" should come into play when you are introspectively speaking on yourself, not interdependent issues. When a conversation is concerning society or general issues, there should be an observation, your perspective of that observation, and then some potential thought through solutions to resolve what you observe. We need more problem solving conversations like this channel.
6:40.... dang... datruth!
12:19 she’s fighting hard to not agree😂😂 crazy how women support lies and disinformation
People confuse Cardi B "the character" versus Cardi B "the wife and mother"
Plus, this has been going on way before Cardi B was a thing. Or Megan or any of them.
Cardi B the mother/wife ain't doing shit Cardi B the character does. Same thing with Beyonce and many others. They're wives.
Cause if people truly followed Cardi B or Beyonce they'd be able to make that distinction.
Notice how with every female it’s “I FEEL”….I feel like….I feel like…..cause they deal with the world via EMOTIONS.
But emotions are not LOGIC. As soon as they start talking about “I FEEL” I tune them out. Not trying to hear that sh!t bruh.
Brotha, you are to intelligent to still be using the "N" word especially publicly. I still appreciate your content.
So what's she's saying is "women and men should focus on individual growth through the help of groups" (which is great and individual mindset and based on individual ideals). But if you're saying that: in order to accomplish that, a community of women and a community of men should get together to help men and women accomplish individual goals that at no point will be for the purpose of them contributing to the group or a person from that group to help them also build themselves individually, that does not make any sense to me! How can you look to a group of the same sex to help you grow but contribute NOTHING TO THE GROWTH OF THAT GROUP! THE VERY EFFORT OF THE GROUP HELPING YOU IS THE EFFORT OF YOU HELPING THE GROUP MY SISTER! BUT IT TAKES COMMON SENSE TO KNOW THAT 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Get your fucking passport fellas
Stop bringing these post wall women on the show. She is already for the streets and not coachable. Pls focus on women below 23 who just left college or are in school. Leave these 30+ 304s. In 90% of the world a 30+ women words don't matter because she had her youth and misused it with pookie n rayray. Focus on the younger women before they also become baby mamas or single at 32 with no man 😂
I have zero take aways from this. This was draining.
22:43 What’s the difference between a woman dealing with someone that’s beneath her because she feels small and an older man dealing with a younger woman (of age, of course) because he doesn’t feel up to par?
SOFTWARE NEVA CHANGES
Women are more emotional manipulators than men, men are more materialistic manipulators than women, but both can be logically and linguistically manipulators. Also just make it easier to understand when I mean by more I'm meaning more efficient, better at, more skilled than the other side.
Get therapy if you’re still blaming your shortcomings on slavery.
Heathens need to stop complaining. Marty before you carry. Yes, there are times when married people fail in their relationship. But trying to do things right has a better outcome than trying to do things because you can or the I'm grown mentality.
SISTER... I'm just going to give you a pull up your smile is nice but, you already said men are slow so when you say men aren't dumb but...... smh. Lmaooo. Peace Sister. ✌️
Only an ignorant individual would compare accountability to the "blame game" (that women are experts in playing) !! Smdh Every right thinking person knows the difference between accountability and "the blame game" but women like her always find some misunderstanding our false insecurities to blame this stuff on when the responsibility is steering men and women in the face... "No it's not about women's lack of accountability it's the men throwing blame that is the real issue" 👀👀👀 SMFH She is basically basking in the same unaccountable mindset that men have been talking about and blames the issues on something else 🙄How amazing 😂😂😂😂😂
20:08 men are a lil dumb and slow. But then these same men can manipulate said intelligent woman.😂 🤷🏾♂️. You can’t make this stuff up.
But the generation in the 1950's dealt salve syndrome, today we currently have more rights than then,
So why is she using this an excuse..
# DEVIL NAILS
I'm pretty sure everyone has gaslit someone... what?
Miss you lost me when you said a whole group of women can be accountable for a group of women that's dumb that's really dumb because if you be the very sense that you are a group of women mean that you're coming together okay so if you come together as a group of women but you can't hold a group of women that you are in a bond with group-wise ivy you are incompetent or you are on accountable. Individually yes you contribute but it's the group effort it's the group effort that really makes an impact on the group so again this is just a bunch of flip flopping back and forth with women these days women just can't seem to hold other women accountable!!!