New Turntables At High End Munich 2017
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ค. 2024
- This is a long video! Many new 'tables were introduced at High End Munich including The all in one The + Record Player, the result of an international design team, that features a Pro-Ject supplied 'table atop a built in sound system carefully isolated from the 'table, the idler wheel drive Blackstone from Italy shown in static display at previous shows, a new compact Thales TTT turntable with tangential tracking pivoted arm for around $9000, and the intriguing looking Cantano. There's are new 'tables from Perpetuum-Ebner and Dereneviille's Modulaire, which was fitted with the DTT-03 tangential tracking tonearm, a prototype of which was shown last year. There's a new Transrotor 'table, one from Triangle Arts and one from Reed, the Muse 1C with 5T tangential tracking pivoted tonearm. Lots of eye and ear candy!
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It's amazing how much they can ask for audio equipment. I just buy vintage stereo , not perfect but a fraction of the cost and if a little handy can make a pretty good system . But it's nice to see the latest greatest.
Pffft I have banana plugs that cost twice as much as these tables.
My weight is carved from solid material not yet named, mined from the core of the moon.
I have 9 different tone arms all tuned to different sound signatures of my liking, which complement every genre of music i own perfectly.
My bearing is a hologram with physical properties.
My motor has its own room and runs off the energy generated from the nucleus of a star, which also has it's own room.
My platter is suspended by quantum locking and is completely frictionless, in theory once it starts spinning it will spin forever and at perfect speed.
My mat is made from baby seal skin.
My plinth floats in zero gravity.
All of this is operated by me simply thinking of an album to play, my system selects the record from my shelf, adjusts the sound signature, tunes my room and plays my record while cleaning it.
My listening room is a vacuum, completely dust free and perfectly temperature controlled and sound proofed.
Most of the time I just listen to AM radio or mp3s on $2 headphones that my son chewed the cord on though.
Haha yes, yes it is Mr Fremer.
An idiot wouldn't know what quantum locking was.
It was sarcasm, relax! sorry you didn't see the humor in it.
I'm a analog vinyl guy like you, my grandmother and my father both worked at CBS records in Sydney back in the day pressing records.
I now posses all the records they would bring home.
I'm a fan of yours and being a fan I understand your personality a little and I know you can take things the wrong way as you have clearly done here, I find it kind of funny actually.
I won't be going to no digital site. But you do have a strange way of treating your subscribers and fans.
No probs, like I said i understand. Hopefully you can now see the funny side of your reaction.
Don't feel bad i've got thick skin I'm an Aussie, keep giving it to those trolls, but maybe get better at identifying trolls first hahaaa.
Clearly, It sounds as if he doesn't take criticism well..... even if it is... satirical. I am glad he didn't revert to the lowest common denominator with me. I am a lover of music as well and own several turntables including some dual direct drives, a yamaha px-3, a pioneer pll-1000, sota saphire and linn lp12 just to name a few. Problem is the more I listened to the higher priced turntables the less I was impressed. In the 90's I did listen to a fabulous vpi set up one time at a showroom with a moving coil cartridge don't remember what kind. vs moving magnet v15 that I owned. It sounded better but the cartridge was 1000 and the step up transformer was 500. that didn't include the turntable, it was only 2000 and it didn't lift at the end of the record or shut off either..........because as audiophiles, we can't be bothered with those conveniences. The setup was more than the car I was driving.
Any chance of a comparison review for the new VPI tonearm? Thanks Michael for showing some great audiophile TTs. I can dream!
They seem to be more sophisticated than a Neumam mastering cutting lath that the music is used to record on the acetate .
Bright and beautiful machines for sure, but please consider if the company will be around for parts and service before you choose.
I am still happy with my local made Oracle and it's SME arm and Ortofon cartridge for both sound quality and ease of getting upgrades and repairs.
It is wonderful to dream though!!!
That Triangle Art TT is just absolutely beautiful piece of hardware. But once looked at it this quote came to mind. “ If you have to ask the price.” 😂
I love your channel. I have been watching your stuff for years. Your record reviews are great. Especially the ones about the Beatles new releases. Also because of your CleanerVinyl review I bought their products and could not be happier at how well they work. The reason I am writing this is about a possible full turntable review of the Small Audio Manufacture Reference Turntable including their tonearm. I have been looking all over the internet trying to find a complete review of their products. The only thing I have is from many years ago of their entry table. I keep seeing their turntables on Ebay and they seem to have the potential of being a fantastic table. I am not sure if their arm would be the one I would use, but you can have two tonearms mounted on it. From the bits and pieces found the owner seems to be a stand up guy. I wonder if he would send you some of his products for you to review them. I am not sure how that works. I trust you would do a great review of their products.
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Analog Planet I have watched quite a lot of your videos but never actually got your opinion on Tangential Tracking Arms. Are you not fond of 'em and why not? Also kudos to Derrenville Modulaire TT. And that is really awesome that they would sell you the motor. Sounds like an opportunity for DIY-ers
With all the new poorly pressed records these days, buying one of these turntables would be like buying a $1,000,000 kitchen to make mac n' cheese. I'm sure vintage vinyl sounds good on them, though.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is genius has its limits"
Albert Einstein
Bling a wow factor , they seem to be trying to re invent the turntable all the time but how far can you go to reach the holy grail of turntables.
did i hear him mention the LP12//
YAWN...
We went through all this in the '70's ....
👍🏼😂 …it’s like with fashion….it all comes back slightly revised after 40 to 50 years. Other than for „romantic“ reasons….RIDICULOUS
Michael Fremer should have been a dentist :D
Getting info out of these manufacturers is like pulling teeth... With the high prices on most of the products, one would assume the company representatives would prepare better sale pitches and descriptions.
They are technicians, not sales people... And the expensive turntables are hand-made in small quantities with exclusive materials, they're more niche products than mass market products.
Don’t buy into the hype! Buy the NEXT hype before the masses jump onto the bandwagon…
Last year I attended the Toronto TAVES audio trade show. Disappointed to say the least at the poor caliber of the setups and overall cost vs performance ratio of most of the gear I heard. Most of demonstrators aren't even qualified to set up a system much less judge it's quality. This is fast becoming the norm these days at consumer audio trade shows compared to the good old days when people in the industry were discerning audio enthusiasts. There are notable exceptions such as T.H.E. SHOW at CES but then they won't allow consumers like me to attend. The rule is... the better the show the less likely Joe consumer is allowed in.
Side note... in 2004 I was lucky to get in to see the CES as a guest of Audionote NA). The Audionote demo got rave reports in the journals but ironically none of the reporters seemed to notice the system was in mono seeing as one of the AN mono tube amps malfunctioned. Peter Q of AN said they'll most likely not notice... he was right.
Great video Michael!
People who buy this stuff don’t listen to music, they listen to their equipment.
Analog Planet Damn shots fired! Nice reply Mr. Framer Love your videos!
don't let this guy bother you he is probably having a bad day the audiophile sect have very strong opinions however you can't get more off the record than what the engineers allowed to go on it . every mix is just that gives and takes if its done right its wonderful, if not, its not the fault of the player, cartridge, wiring etc. And by the same token if it sounds great its not all due to the player ,cart etc.
All forms of playback have the same strengths and weaknesses I don't think any form of recorded music will ever sound like the live performance and think about it haven't we all heard terrific live music and also horrific live music so teach the new engineers how it was done when record companys really cared about producing nice sounding reproductions of the terrific and the horrific so we all can get along
drop dead asswipe
basically nothing that I can afford
Wasn't their cheapest one like €1500
The + isn't really something a vinyl enthusiast would buy IMHO. Maybe someone who's in it for the nostalgia, yes, but audiophiles, nah.
Also it was just a joke comment.
Micheal, look forward to your experience with the PE 1000, thanks
There are still pretty good deals for vintage Sansui or Technics turntables on for example ebay. If you have a CD-combo system you just have to purchase a phono-preamp for example a Pro-Ject Phonobox 5 for around 100€. Getting into vinyl is not expensive at all. Making it your profession is something else. I can't understand these high prizes either. If you can afford it - go ahead.
Not true. You could afford a one day pass to see it all lol.
39000 Euros for a record player?
Seen you coming prices...i recently bought a audio technica ...looks like a copy cat of technics....its not as good but costs way less ...i give £219 for it.....fitted my pocket well and sounds good enough to my ears ....makes my pink floyd records from 30 years ago sound fine and plays my mates latest d n b releases on vynal sound good his comment was u can hear everything..well out of my tanny ardens....i wonder how much difference a 40k turntable would really make to my ears?
The most expensive turntable doesn’t help if the rest of your chain cannot keep up with it. To really get the best out of a turntable of that price you have to spend about 200.000 for your complete chain (bought new at dealership-prizes). That’s why it’s called CHAIN…one strong link doesn’t help…
11:56
Tone arm is made of "TIT ON HIM"
Titanium?
TIT ON HIM, yiss.
This turntable is driven by hamsters running in the wheel underneath the platter. You simply can’t get it anywhere else. That will be $40,000. LOL
😂
Just wow!
I Can't afford it and even if I could my wife wouldn't let me bring it in the house but I still think it's cool as heck. Wish I could go and check it out too. I like what I have but I do like "what if" too.
So your wife is the boss in your household? Thank god I‘m not married…and never will be 😎
A Crosley Lancaster on steroids!😬
Whole a lot of heavy metal
The industry has a new old horse to ride to death 😂… and pull the cash out of the punters
The double standard of human tolerance between exotic turntables and exotic cars is interesting, the comments would be fawning over the engineering of exotic cars, most of which only seat two people.
True that, although at least the exotic cars performance can be clearly quantified. And you cannot use that level of performance, except on a race track.
I like the German flag coloured decks. "For you CD, ze game is ovah...."
Even though I am German….I say no!
200 lbs turntable!? Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez, but I'd sure love it.
I use 6ft single piece of teak 6ins thick ex butchers block supported on few bricks in centre looks like its floating in air,stand on one end without tipping must weigh 450lbs got it out of a skip,had to walk it on edge 3floors up, helps to isolate my thorens,now for speakers slate or concrete?
Garrard 401 does it for me🌚
It amused me that the very best turntables in the world arent present here... food for thought.
Yeah, they place them on glass racks or (for OTHER purposes beautiful) USM Haller sideboards….
That really tells a lot about their sense of „good sound“ ….ridiculous
Mega Cool Turntables 😎
That Blackstone Idler wheel TT at 2:43 sounds awful, and the amount of fiddling he did it still didn't sound that great the degree of record wow was beyond a joke, same as the price. I love the comparisons as well on the other decks, this is $9000...oh cool, and this one?....it's $18000,...oh and the difference, well you get a flashing light on the better one LOL
same with cheap stuff;lovely tv doc years ago when ALAN SUGAR ran amstrad team showed him latest bit of kit, he stares not enough lightsthey dont have to do anything they dont know .just make it more flashy with buttons!
lets put all the vibration right under the platter! lol ill pass the modulaire looks cool as shit!!! thx michael !!
You still need to buy a gimbal..
Triangle art 39900$ come with stainless steel ball bearing .yes !!! 😀.. ...doesn't come with tonearm 🤨
love ALL the comments, beats politics lol
Just trying ti revive the dead?
james haldeman what’s dead other than your brain?
what an accumulation of stupidity - I have a Thorens 316 with a Grado Black system and its giving me a bliss (320€)
All i´m saying that these things are mostly not made to listen to music but to milk an upcoming (old) hype. You just don´t need it to listen to music in an audiophile way and the most machines are just ugly (personal opinion).
Funny thing is that you get upset by this - sad
The cost of these turntables is bullshit you don't need to spend that much to get high end sound,
background noise is too much... adios
Get ready to take out a second mortgage
James Wells - The guys who usually spring for the über high end stuff pay cash, they make enough in a day (even an hour, my Orthopedic Surgeon regularly pulls down $70k+ day, 2-3 days a week, doing surgeries, and he's not even at the top of the pay scale in that field) for many of these products to be Disposable Spending Money levels of outlay. I've worked with many wealthy business owners and professionals both during my Banking and Marketing days, some of these guys regularly bet as much on a single hole of Golf as lower-middle income folk make all year, I've seen it. Better them spending the money, putting it back into circulation, than hording it.
Belt drive turntable are crap. Every min. 1000 rotations the belt loses original elasticity and grip. No speed monitoring/ correction to compensate belt deviation. You want an accurate belt drive table, get a CS5000. Otherwise use an audiophile direct drive for absolute speed accuracy.
Well,heavily overpriced stuff to reach the same quality like 1980 middle class decks for 300 bucks (without cartridge).
Certainly most of the stuff is very well build . However,on todays market,as long as a product just oozes quality,it will cost a heavy premium.
That Cantano TT is beautiful!!... all while having the ugliest and dumbest looking anti-skating device I have ever seen. LOL. My favorite was the Döhmann Helix 2 TT
Is my 2019 Eqinox a better car than my 1965 Impala? Is my Fuji-1000 digital better than my 1970 35mm Nikon? Does my $19.00 Casio watch keep better time than my $15,000 mechanical Rolex? YES to all the above ..... But not for a Vinyl record .... You need a $30,000 turntable to fully reproduce all the magic on that .30 cent piece of vinyl 😄 - Alrighty then .....
Sounds like radio interference on this video ???
No, just Mike's thumb.
A fool and his money are soon parted.
Try not to chew some shit 23:09 during a recording!!
michael If you have never seen a seperate Motorunit for sale, you need to check out Sperling Audio from Germany. They make very special Motors indeed. I have one for my Acoustic Solid TT. And its much more affordable than this stuff.
High end?! LMAO! Low-fi
This turntable is a piece of crap. I have a duel 721 direct drive from 1978 that puts all these to shame ,and if you make a small waterbed to set your turntable on it will be perfectly isolated from subsonic feedback! I can set my turntable on it waterbed platform on top of my subwoofer at full volume with absolutely no feedback ! Try it. It works far better than a massive platter or a slab of marble or concrete. And cheeper and easier to move. I aquired a demonstration waterbed that is the perfect size to place my two 721's on side by side inside a small frame its easy to move i just drain the mattress move and fill with a garden hose it takes 3min. To fill and 5min. To drain. And no strain on my back!
These prices are rediculous . The people who actually buy these are nuts.Get a good . Technics . Pioneer, Turntable for cheap
I like Indian Amazon record player this how much price
That first item is a rip-off for $1,000 give me a break!!!!😎
That shit noise in back ground yuck!
WOW what a big pile of expensive gimmickery! If only the cashed up zombies that buy this stuff had any conception of how an LP record is made, they'd realise that you cant put back what's not there with even a billion dollar turntable!! "A fool and his money are quickly parted" P.T Barnum.
I don't understand why you would even come to audiophile show videos if you hate the stuff.
fuck you, how the fuck does a creator insults subscribers on the commets section? you are everything I hate about this community, the fucking snobery...go fuck off with your 12k turntable
fuck you
Modfab com-au I
an audiophile will know more about the manufacture vinyl records from master to platter than you will know about touching yourself.
Son caros , para ricos, pero claro, un tonto y su dinero poco tempo están juntos, y la mayoria de ricos lo son jodiendo a los pobres, no por ser más listos, por ser más cabrones...y muchas otras cosas que no hace falta decir...Audio de alta tontologia...Y ESPECIAL VILLANOS..Además una empresa Austriaca está preparando un nuevo formato de vinylo en HD, que hará todos estos giradiscos obsoletos en muy poco tiempo...jejejejejejejejjejje.
What a crock of crap! people more interested in compensating than music!
I meant that in all the time we've had to develop turntables it seems we are going backwards. Multi-thousand dollar units that won't even lift the arm at the end or play specific tracks? Why? We had great turntables in the 70's-80's that would do that! Now it seems we like to "Show" how sophisticated these turntables are but they won't do anything a cheap pioneer belt drive won't do. Except sound better, maybe, perhaps sound better, as long as you have multi-thousand dollar amplifier, speaker, preamp, etcetera!
Certainly not. Turntables are old tec who reached the maximum possible quality around 1980. Yet since
years the market just reinvents the wheel anew repeatedly and pretends to have achieved something.
Its just PR BS for a specific clientel.
From the engineering perspective any frickelfest is more interesting than this.
Well,than tell me what advantages has the normal Joe or Jane buying a new turntable for a couple hundred
bucks against say an old used Dual from 1975 ? Where are the technological advancements made in this
field in the last 30 years in products common people can afford ?
Dream on.
Yeah,brilliant argument.
I wish you'd turn that orchestral garbage down so I can hear.
all these piles of shiny cylinders are just ugly, and i'm sure it's greatly outperformed by simpler, well engineered tables like Rega
rega shit
Who buys this overpriced stuff, you would think all this stuff would be priced a lot cheaper.
23:09 - 24:11 eating and talking to someone?! Typical american - no manners at all
You have something in your mouth while talking to someone. That's the point. Caviar or breath mint or bubble gum - doesn't matter what. You are talking and chewing - absolute vulgarity. Also, your language here, in your reply proves my statement.
Why do all these guys speak in that hugely annoying "rising up towards end of sentence" nasal tone as if each statement is a question? It's hugely annoying and they all seem ti do it! Men should speak like men, with confidence, not like little schoolgirls!