Thanks for watching, guys! Happy holidays, and make sure you go check out Dunk's: th-cam.com/users/DunkOrSlam and Soler's: th-cam.com/users/bosko91 channels!
GO SUB TO SOLER91 - The shear mount of modded content this man has made is staggering, dozens of modded and unique maps, feature rich multiplayer mod and even a multiplayer battle royal mod. Go show him some love Edit: his twitch is active and very entertaining too (with lots of multiplayer lobbies)
The coolest thing about co-op is the lower stakes that allow you to express yourself with your personal favorite spells. Working as a diverse team as opposed to the pressure of getting the optimal solo build is just… amazingly fun to think about
actually i think it would be easier than you might think, since all that basically has to be done is send updates to eachother, though that might be pain with some fast-cast wands but you could always just create a dedicated server instead of direct hosting, that should fix all issues
@@MinkSquared for a game like this, where the amount of chaos ( mathematical chaos ) is as off the scales as it can be, “just sending updates” would destroy both your computer and your bandwidth. You can just send updates about player interaction, and have the same RNG seed for everyone, and that would work at fixing issue 1, but only if the communication happened instantaneously ( including decoding and encoding, encryption, decryption, and every other thing ), and it would still break as soon as some random cosmic radiation ray decides to flip a bit somewhere in RAM. You can occasionally send sync packets to fix both issues 2 and 3, but then it would be laggy, unplayable, and everything would randomly teleport. You can use a server, that would fix #3, and #4, but it would render #1 and #2 un-fixable. So, you have 4 issues: - Amount of data to be transferred ( -> severe lag ) - Communication delays ( -> [lag OR bugs] AND jankiness ) - Uncontrollable influence on RNG ( -> complete failure ) - Lag ( -> lag ) But you can only fix of mitigate three at once.
@@chri-k There's actually a pretty easy solution for this. Make it local coop and use something like remote play from steam. Works like a charm with games like Binding of Isaac
I do not know what remote play is, but if it is what it literally says it is, then that could work, but you would need to proses [ player count ] times more graphical data, and then transfer that, which essentially is a fixed #(2,3,4), and mostly fixed #1, but instead you created a #5: destruction of GPU/ whatever the game uses for rendering
Not sure if you're still checking comments on this old video, but there's a new multiplayer Noita mod that's being built that has actual multiplayer interaction! Fly around together and shoot each other with spells! Check it out: th-cam.com/video/AKRyp7iRspc/w-d-xo.html
@@bobbynally3776 If you are referring to the "Random Robes" mods i took a peep and they just generated a different full player with different colors n stuff... 80MB mod :^( the game allows to change sprite colors in the ui but not in the actual world sprites so i would have to turn every player into an ui entity and that's just gonna get real jank
Get the mod here: github.com/soler91/noita-together/releases I also made a video about how to set it up here: th-cam.com/video/HWspQ65WWgg/w-d-xo.html&feature=emb_logo You can also check the wiki here: noita.fandom.com/wiki/Noita_Together
i just got a 200Kb noita update, idk if it adds smth or whatever, but it sure was installed on my pc and doesn't come from mods, so idk, devs may be doing something rn
Are you subscribed to anything on the steam workshop? Updates to workshop content happen automatically, and they queue up the same way a game update would.
@@Zebo12345678 there's a little "i" mark at the end of the game's name to tell you when it's a workshop item being uploaded, it wasn't there on that update
I remember someone mentioning that it will be near impossible to mod since syncing a shit ton of pixels for all the players at the same time even with lag compensation will take some insane processing power and internet.
I have learnt so much from watching this video. I can kill the Skull guy who defends the temple easier now. I'll have to say I have under utilized the throwing aspect in Noita. Also fun fact: Noita means Witch.
Thats what im tryna figure out Edit: looks like its still seperate worlds unfortunately, at 1:45 you can see dunk falling through the wood over to the right on fury's screen
It's still separate. Soler was talking about how syncing just the *capes* of players caused a lot of performance problems. Syncing the entire world would be a nightmare...or it would require crazy black magic that the devs at NollaGames themselves would have to conjure.
@@yellowsaurus4895 Petri Purho from Nolla Games went into the technical details of Noita in a GDC talk at the end of 2019. Performance was one of noita’s bigger challenges since simulating every pixel is quite the endeavor. They achieved this goal via segmenting the world in chunks and only recalculating/rerendering those that may change, which significantly reduces the amount of work you need to do. If multiplayer were to be supported, not only would at least the host have to be capable of doing this for every player (meaning you have 1/n the performance for n players worst case) but on top of this you have to now synchronize this information over a network which significantly reduces the throughput (the amount of work you can do). Solving this would be an incredible feat. I’m not a game developer, so if I mispoke/misrepresented something please correct me.
@@theofficialiole99 I think the tough problem to solve is the nondivergent simulation of chunks that are active for more than one client (i.e. when more than one player is in the same place). Given the p2p nature, each client could calculate its own chunks with the first client to activate the chunk remaining the 'authority' for that chunk until that client moves out of the chunks range, at which point authority would be passed on to another client which is in range and closest to that chunk. If no client is in range then the chunk's final state is broadcast and then deactivated as usual. This makes scenarios where players are spread out/off on their own fairly trivial. As for the hard part (real-time sync of a chunks state to multiple players interacting with that chunk), I'd guess a lot of optimisation compromises would have to be made to make it playable. My first thought is having all clients calculate physics individually, with the host emitting chunk state 'keyframes' at intervals of something like 500ms-2000ms (depending on the size of the chunk state blob). These keyframes would replace the state for all clients effectively syncing everyone at the given interval. Between/alongside keyframes each client broadcasts selected important physics events real-time such as player movement, kicking, firing/switching wands, throwing potions etc. Other clients can then simulate those events as if they were their own. I imagine each projectile (expensively, given how many projectiles you can create in a short time in this game) would have to have its definition and vector broadcast on creation too since projectiles (at least a lot of the players ones) have a lot of rng in the form of spread, among others. How well this kind of thing would work comes down to how deterministic the various frame to frame mechanics are in Noita. If there is a lot of random value use then the keyframe interval will be more noticable. It's obviously wide open to client-side cheating but I don't think that's honestly a concern for 99% of players. This is all pure spitballing on my part. Though I'm a software dev I don't work in the games industry and I don't know what the limitations are for Noita modifications, this could all be far beyond its scope. It's interesting to think about though, and it'd be extremely fun to play one-world-instance multiplayer!
unrelated to the vid do i just quit when i find myself in hisi with a sparkbolt on my bomb wand because i found litealy no wands or good wands up to that point bcs thats my luck on a day to day basis in noita or is that just a normal thing
I doubt you’ll see this and if you do even take the suggestion. But I think you should try out keeperRL or Dwarf fortress. I think you’ll enjoy them, tho. Dwarf Fortress is super complicated but fun at the same time.
Hello Fury I doubt you will see this but In your modded terraria world I'm trying to download the ep 100 world download because I just want to look at the world in depthly, but dropbox but it says that the file was deleted. Is it really deleted.
Thnx for your content, bro! Listen, yesterday I suddenly got a pretty curious seed doing just an ordinary run. Where could I send you that? I bet, it worth sharing. ^__^
@Joe Joestar I'm pretty sure the host can do that manually by using the kick-on-death setting, and when everyone dies, can reset the seed to another random one
@Joe Joestar Its pretty fun to Noita with friends! I know DunkorSlam does group runs with his stream on Saturdays (at like 3am tho). Soler also does Together runs but it's dependent on how many people wanna join. (And my friend has a group in like ~30 minutes so feel free to join as well xD)
I hope it isn't just PVE. I hope players or the devs can somehow make a noita combat system. Imagine an online gladiator gamemode where players fight in a destructible arena and gain new spells after they win a round.
This has to be the hardest game to recommend to a friend 😅 How do you describe this game? You play as a witch with two wands, which you can edit with different spells. There's elementary chemistry, and every pixel is simulated?!?
Fr I wanted to recommend this game to my friends but every time I try it takes me no less than 10 minutes to describe the game, and then they just lose interest lol
It’s because it requires more permission from your PC to run (connecting to your Twitch account, etc.) There are other mods like this as well. These mods can’t be on the Workshop because of this.
That's one of the settings they have. When a player dies, rather than have them sit out the rest of the run, or have the run end for everyone, the mod has an option to use this compromise solution. With this active, when a player dies it takes a bit of max HP from the other players to revive them. If the players don't have enough max hp when you die, it ends the run.
I don't see any comments by you in my "held for review" / spambox. Sometimes comments are automatically flagged by TH-cam as negative or spammy and get placed in there (I also don't allow any links to be posted in comments, so a mod has to manually approve any with links.) [edit] In fact, this is the only comment I see by you across my entire channel. None in spambox at all.
@@FuryForged i was just posting a fun seed i found, no idea what i did wrong, unless the seed itself was flagged? i didn't post any links, so that couldn't be it. i also didn't say anything that could be interpreted as rude. so idk, i think the ''random'' numbers from the seed might be why youtube flags it.
No, each player is still in their own world, but you can visually see what wands they are using, etc. It's getting closer. Syncing multiple player worlds online is going to be extremely difficult, though. Even with just 2 players, syncing everything would probably slow each player's game down to single-digit FPS in order to simulate everything, unless some kind of very optimized technique is used to do it. So...not impossible, but not entirely realistic either. Local co-op would be a lot easier, however.
@@FuryForged what a shame :/ I think NT is a nice mod and since there is nothing comparable I should be happy that there is such a thing but maybe the developers will work on it themselves probably not but one can dream~
@@FuryForged Adequacy/fun, maybe. It's still not a proper, normal Multiplayer, - fellow players don't interact with host's world, they phase through carts etc. It's not something you'd expect when you heard "this mod adds a multiplayer".
Been watching fury play for a while, and i have no idea why my game is cursed: enemies dying crash the game sometimes, and stains never stay as long as his does.
Thanks for watching, guys! Happy holidays, and make sure you go check out Dunk's: th-cam.com/users/DunkOrSlam and Soler's: th-cam.com/users/bosko91 channels!
With this mod the players can kill together the same monster?
The next feature they need to add is an emote system.
You need to have swagger if you're gonna wear a giant golden necklace
That would be *incredible!* solermakeithappen
@@FuryForged Sick guitar solo's with wands.
Playing noita with friends looks extremely fun!
Dangerous*
@@Yesytsucks You made me laugh so hard man
Too bad i dont have anyone to play With…
Yeeeees I love dunk ! Happy to finally see him getting more popular and attention from the community
Dunk's been killing it on Twitch for a long time now! But, yeah, I hope we all start collaborating a *lot* more, because this was a ton of fun!
He one of the biggest noita channels now
Man this looks extremely fun, congrats on the dev man
GO SUB TO SOLER91 - The shear mount of modded content this man has made is staggering, dozens of modded and unique maps, feature rich multiplayer mod and even a multiplayer battle royal mod.
Go show him some love
Edit: his twitch is active and very entertaining too (with lots of multiplayer lobbies)
soler only has 39 subs!?!? lets go sub rn then!
The coolest thing about co-op is the lower stakes that allow you to express yourself with your personal favorite spells. Working as a diverse team as opposed to the pressure of getting the optimal solo build is just… amazingly fun to think about
No more ghosts! new uptade looks awesome :)
It starts off with the Noita Boogie Dance in the Cave entrance. Nice.
And shoutouts to Soler for adding "Dark Mode" theme to the NT Bank.
Alright, now I'm absolutely bullying my friends into playing noita with me.
Peer to peer world sync would be nightmarish to pull off
Taw n Marxon Noita when
actually i think it would be easier than you might think, since all that basically has to be done is send updates to eachother, though that might be pain with some fast-cast wands
but you could always just create a dedicated server instead of direct hosting, that should fix all issues
@@MinkSquared for a game like this, where the amount of chaos ( mathematical chaos ) is as off the scales as it can be, “just sending updates” would destroy both your computer and your bandwidth.
You can just send updates about player interaction, and have the same RNG seed for everyone, and that would work at fixing issue 1, but only if the communication happened instantaneously ( including decoding and encoding, encryption, decryption, and every other thing ), and it would still break as soon as some random cosmic radiation ray decides to flip a bit somewhere in RAM.
You can occasionally send sync packets to fix both issues 2 and 3, but then it would be laggy, unplayable, and everything would randomly teleport.
You can use a server, that would fix #3, and #4, but it would render #1 and #2 un-fixable.
So, you have 4 issues:
- Amount of data to be transferred ( -> severe lag )
- Communication delays ( -> [lag OR bugs] AND jankiness )
- Uncontrollable influence on RNG ( -> complete failure )
- Lag ( -> lag )
But you can only fix of mitigate three at once.
@@chri-k There's actually a pretty easy solution for this. Make it local coop and use something like remote play from steam. Works like a charm with games like Binding of Isaac
I do not know what remote play is, but if it is what it literally says it is, then that could work, but you would need to proses [ player count ] times more graphical data, and then transfer that, which essentially is a fixed #(2,3,4), and mostly fixed #1, but instead you created a #5: destruction of GPU/ whatever the game uses for rendering
Not sure if you're still checking comments on this old video, but there's a new multiplayer Noita mod that's being built that has actual multiplayer interaction! Fly around together and shoot each other with spells!
Check it out: th-cam.com/video/AKRyp7iRspc/w-d-xo.html
THANK YOU!
What happens if all the players do a fungal shift at the same time?
ah frick i forgot to add that yet again... next time for sure
@@Soler91 You're doing God's work - thank you for everything you do. My friend's and I really enjoy Noita Together
Would be cool if minäs had a different color for each player
i wanted to make that happen but sadly you cant customize the sprite color without recoloring the actual sprite :(
There's a mod that gives your character a random color at the start of the game.
@@bobbynally3776 If you are referring to the "Random Robes" mods i took a peep and they just generated a different full player with different colors n stuff... 80MB mod :^(
the game allows to change sprite colors in the ui but not in the actual world sprites so i would have to turn every player into an ui entity and that's just gonna get real jank
@@Soler91 a shader maybe?
@@Algoinde oh right there's that approach dunno if i have the braincells to pull it off but might be worth a try
He could make an arena with some preset wands or na full deathmatch cenario with random wands. It would be aweasome
Check out Noita Arena mod
Hey, I want to play with my friends, so is there by any chance a link for this mod for multiplayer?
Get the mod here: github.com/soler91/noita-together/releases
I also made a video about how to set it up here: th-cam.com/video/HWspQ65WWgg/w-d-xo.html&feature=emb_logo
You can also check the wiki here: noita.fandom.com/wiki/Noita_Together
@@FuryForged Thanks!
Is it possible that some day we will see a true noita MP ?
Likely if you got some big bandwidth and low latency
Its not impossible
@@meowmrrpnyanya why
@@marlonmerz9850 j
@@marlonmerz9850 j
Also Fury I recommend checking the Noita 40kWarhammer mod.
YOO THE WHOLE GANG IS HERE
soler91 is just the coolest
i just got a 200Kb noita update, idk if it adds smth or whatever, but it sure was installed on my pc and doesn't come from mods, so idk, devs may be doing something rn
Are you subscribed to anything on the steam workshop? Updates to workshop content happen automatically, and they queue up the same way a game update would.
@@Zebo12345678 there's a little "i" mark at the end of the game's name to tell you when it's a workshop item being uploaded, it wasn't there on that update
Will there ever be an Noita MP with world sync, Or is this the closest we'll get? I'm very curious
I remember someone mentioning that it will be near impossible to mod since syncing a shit ton of pixels for all the players at the same time even with lag compensation will take some insane processing power and internet.
There's one in the works now
@@t0nyhawk368 Did it get anywhere?
I have learnt so much from watching this video. I can kill the Skull guy who defends the temple easier now. I'll have to say I have under utilized the throwing aspect in Noita. Also fun fact: Noita means Witch.
Is the world shared between players now or was just like before that each one plays on their own?
Thats what im tryna figure out
Edit: looks like its still seperate worlds unfortunately, at 1:45 you can see dunk falling through the wood over to the right on fury's screen
It's still separate. Soler was talking about how syncing just the *capes* of players caused a lot of performance problems. Syncing the entire world would be a nightmare...or it would require crazy black magic that the devs at NollaGames themselves would have to conjure.
@@FuryForged that makes sense. Having every pixel simulated certainly does complicate things i suppose
@@yellowsaurus4895 Petri Purho from Nolla Games went into the technical details of Noita in a GDC talk at the end of 2019. Performance was one of noita’s bigger challenges since simulating every pixel is quite the endeavor. They achieved this goal via segmenting the world in chunks and only recalculating/rerendering those that may change, which significantly reduces the amount of work you need to do. If multiplayer were to be supported, not only would at least the host have to be capable of doing this for every player (meaning you have 1/n the performance for n players worst case) but on top of this you have to now synchronize this information over a network which significantly reduces the throughput (the amount of work you can do). Solving this would be an incredible feat.
I’m not a game developer, so if I mispoke/misrepresented something please correct me.
@@theofficialiole99 I think the tough problem to solve is the nondivergent simulation of chunks that are active for more than one client (i.e. when more than one player is in the same place).
Given the p2p nature, each client could calculate its own chunks with the first client to activate the chunk remaining the 'authority' for that chunk until that client moves out of the chunks range, at which point authority would be passed on to another client which is in range and closest to that chunk. If no client is in range then the chunk's final state is broadcast and then deactivated as usual. This makes scenarios where players are spread out/off on their own fairly trivial.
As for the hard part (real-time sync of a chunks state to multiple players interacting with that chunk), I'd guess a lot of optimisation compromises would have to be made to make it playable. My first thought is having all clients calculate physics individually, with the host emitting chunk state 'keyframes' at intervals of something like 500ms-2000ms (depending on the size of the chunk state blob). These keyframes would replace the state for all clients effectively syncing everyone at the given interval. Between/alongside keyframes each client broadcasts selected important physics events real-time such as player movement, kicking, firing/switching wands, throwing potions etc. Other clients can then simulate those events as if they were their own. I imagine each projectile (expensively, given how many projectiles you can create in a short time in this game) would have to have its definition and vector broadcast on creation too since projectiles (at least a lot of the players ones) have a lot of rng in the form of spread, among others.
How well this kind of thing would work comes down to how deterministic the various frame to frame mechanics are in Noita. If there is a lot of random value use then the keyframe interval will be more noticable. It's obviously wide open to client-side cheating but I don't think that's honestly a concern for 99% of players.
This is all pure spitballing on my part. Though I'm a software dev I don't work in the games industry and I don't know what the limitations are for Noita modifications, this could all be far beyond its scope. It's interesting to think about though, and it'd be extremely fun to play one-world-instance multiplayer!
You ought to look at this mod again or try the population mod
I hope one day you can physically be in another players world.
The future is now
@Wurps do share??
unrelated to the vid
do i just quit when i find myself in hisi with a sparkbolt on my bomb wand because i found litealy no wands or good wands up to that point
bcs thats my luck on a day to day basis in noita
or is that just a normal thing
i see thes kinds of runs and im just like T_T
I doubt you’ll see this and if you do even take the suggestion. But I think you should try out keeperRL or Dwarf fortress. I think you’ll enjoy them, tho. Dwarf Fortress is super complicated but fun at the same time.
Id be so nervous playing this with someone I die in the most ridiculous ways haha
All ive ever wanted from noita!!
Dammit, its still not true multiplayer yet
i watched you vid about noita together from 2 years ago, and it seems here things are more synched. how well does the mod work nowadays?
Hello Fury I doubt you will see this but In your modded terraria world I'm trying to download the ep 100 world download because I just want to look at the world in depthly, but dropbox but it says that the file was deleted. Is it really deleted.
You might see something tomorrow ;)
so can the players affect each other by destroying pixels and stuff?
OMG FINALLY YEEES
Thnx for your content, bro! Listen, yesterday I suddenly got a pretty curious seed doing just an ordinary run. Where could I send you that? I bet, it worth sharing. ^__^
i guess thats going to be the closest thing o multiplayer
sober is not drunk, pure
The sexual tension between y’all in your voices, jezzzzz. I honest can’t keep watching this y’all keeping me all boinked up
I’m really hoping for the ability to make servers or something that reset whenever everyone in the server dies.
Huh? What do you mean by reset?
@@joyous18 Basically if everyone on the server dies it generates a new world and removes everything from the old one, I guess I phrased it weirdly.
@Joe Joestar I'm pretty sure the host can do that manually by using the kick-on-death setting, and when everyone dies, can reset the seed to another random one
@@joyous18 Ah I see, that’s cool, I haven’t used the mod yet so I still don’t know that much about how it works.
@Joe Joestar Its pretty fun to Noita with friends! I know DunkorSlam does group runs with his stream on Saturdays (at like 3am tho). Soler also does Together runs but it's dependent on how many people wanna join. (And my friend has a group in like ~30 minutes so feel free to join as well xD)
I hope it isn't just PVE. I hope players or the devs can somehow make a noita combat system. Imagine an online gladiator gamemode where players fight in a destructible arena and gain new spells after they win a round.
An invader system like in the souls games would be so cash
sounds like a mod
There's an arena mod now!
This has to be the hardest game to recommend to a friend 😅 How do you describe this game?
You play as a witch with two wands, which you can edit with different spells. There's elementary chemistry, and every pixel is simulated?!?
Fr I wanted to recommend this game to my friends but every time I try it takes me no less than 10 minutes to describe the game, and then they just lose interest lol
A cryptic exploration game disguised as a roguelike, with tons on wand/spell variations and seamlessly interactable environments.
do other players spells effect your world?
why is noita together not on the steam workshop? a bit weird...
It’s because it requires more permission from your PC to run (connecting to your Twitch account, etc.) There are other mods like this as well. These mods can’t be on the Workshop because of this.
awesome! its a mod? I have noite on steam, can i play whit my friends?
Is this like an early look or is it out?
It’s been out for a long time now. There’s a download link in the video description :)
Why is his Max HP going down?
That's one of the settings they have. When a player dies, rather than have them sit out the rest of the run, or have the run end for everyone, the mod has an option to use this compromise solution. With this active, when a player dies it takes a bit of max HP from the other players to revive them. If the players don't have enough max hp when you die, it ends the run.
IS THIS MULTIPLAYER NOW?
PLEASE?
sorry to tell you, the world is seperate
Nice
why do my comments keep getting deleted?
I don't see any comments by you in my "held for review" / spambox. Sometimes comments are automatically flagged by TH-cam as negative or spammy and get placed in there (I also don't allow any links to be posted in comments, so a mod has to manually approve any with links.)
[edit] In fact, this is the only comment I see by you across my entire channel. None in spambox at all.
@@FuryForged i was just posting a fun seed i found, no idea what i did wrong, unless the seed itself was flagged? i didn't post any links, so that couldn't be it. i also didn't say anything that could be interpreted as rude. so idk, i think the ''random'' numbers from the seed might be why youtube flags it.
Weird. Hopefully it pops up in there soon.
"we tested the game at 40 players and the game kinda chugged" duh lol 😆
twitch partner rooms can have up to 90 people *yikes*
Wait is this update real
Yes, it's real!
@@FuryForged *YES YES YES YES*
its cool
Now ... add basebuilding and you have Teraria on steroids.
Soler91 was fun
do you now share a world? To be honest, I still don't quite understand it
No, each player is still in their own world, but you can visually see what wands they are using, etc. It's getting closer. Syncing multiple player worlds online is going to be extremely difficult, though. Even with just 2 players, syncing everything would probably slow each player's game down to single-digit FPS in order to simulate everything, unless some kind of very optimized technique is used to do it. So...not impossible, but not entirely realistic either.
Local co-op would be a lot easier, however.
@@FuryForged what a shame :/ I think NT is a nice mod and since there is nothing comparable I should be happy that there is such a thing but maybe the developers will work on it themselves probably not but one can dream~
Yo, noita battle royale, best wand wins
Noita with 90 players?
There's not gonnq be enough items and resources to go around...
Confusing.
Nota noita video
Not a Noita video? lol.
@@FuryForged noit another noita video
@@FuryForged Note the video
Barely playable still. Looking forward to a more wholesome release.
It's 100% playable for me. I don't know whatchu talkin about. Performance?
@@FuryForged Adequacy/fun, maybe. It's still not a proper, normal Multiplayer, - fellow players don't interact with host's world, they phase through carts etc.
It's not something you'd expect when you heard "this mod adds a multiplayer".
def gunna use this to play Noita with my BF if I ever get the game
Been watching fury play for a while, and i have no idea why my game is cursed: enemies dying crash the game sometimes, and stains never stay as long as his does.