A message to J. Cole fans
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It's disappointing that we in the U.S. have been tricked into believing that an apology is a sign of weakness. Being wrong is NOT a weakness, it's the first step in being right. I have huge respect for J. Cole for apologizing.
I've never paid much attention to J. Cole BUT his apology not only earned my attention, it earned my respect. Plus genuine apologies are rare among public figures
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@@rahbeeuh. He would’ve earn my respect had he not talk shit on first person shooter! He gives me “throwing stones hiding hands” type of shit!!
@@AlysiaWilliams-oy5ti fair enough
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No Congo , no IPhones , Telsas etc..
You know what's funny, I was so mad at J Cole about this, then on my way home from work, a J Cole song played and I was like " You know what, I love his music, I ain't mad anymore." So now I don't care lol.
Wonder what he will say in his new music cuz he can't come with the same energy anymore
He better stick to the introspective joints because his braggadocio rhymes hit different now.
@@kamau506 He's still better than almost anyone not named Kendrick. It's not like Cole is a whack rapper just because he didn't want to beef with Kendrick.
@@rollcaskett1812 He’s just a coward
@@imanigordon6803bro everyones a coward when it comes to dot, he ain't the boogeyman for nothing, I genuinely think the only person with even a hope of stepping to him is JID but that's gonna take a lil time to warm up
In the words of Kendrick Lamar, "When shit hits the fan, are you still a fan?"
Still hate that song for having the stupidest defense of MJ I’ve ever heard
@@terribletimes902 He gave us Billy Jean you think he Chuck chose chids?
@@terribletimes902LMAO😭😭😭
@@donalddarko5807 YES BRO. Like, regardless of how you feel about MJ, “he made good music so he can’t have done bad shit” is something I never wanna hear, especially from another music artist
@@terribletimes902cry
coming back to this now J Cole seems like the smartest man in the industry rn
Fr everyone owes this man an apology
@@staidenofanarchythey owe schoolboy Q a Thankyou aswell
nah memes aside, he still nuked himself out of any conversation for GOAT status
@@AllTheArtsy J. Cole wants to have a good exhibition not a shit throwing contest with deep seated hatred. Regardless of J. Cole's actions though he didn't stand a chance anyway. J. Cole is a generational great while Kdot is the GOAT.
@@staidenofanarchy, no we don't. Cole always hyped himself as a menace for anyone wanting a rap beef. Now all of a sudden he flip-flops LMAO. It ain't about his apology. It's about him being a fraud.
it’s as simple as this: he’s been saying he’s the best of the best for years. He’s challenged. He folds.
Exactly
Well, let's hope no other artist ever tries to say they're the best. It's not like bragging is part of the kayfabe of hip hop or anything
This!!! everything else isn't as much of an issue
@@queztocoaxiala wrestler could get fired from a territory for not beating up a “mark” if they challenged them out in public. The reason being, “kayfabe” would be broken if they didn’t prove to be as tough as they’d claimed….I’m just sayin 🤷🏻♂️
@@IsaiahSenku Fr, I’m not gonna lie I’m tired of some people acting like everyone it’s just out here being “bloodthirsty” or some wild asinine notion. These two are the greatest rappers of our generation, what’s wrong with seeing too great participate in a lyrical sparring? Isn’t that an aspect of hip-hop? If he didn’t wanna do it, he shouldn’t have responded in the first place. Not to mention people are acting like this isn’t Cole’s MO, when he literally has this people or invited people to diss him.
if Cole did this speech and didn't drop the diss he woulda been praised.
I think it’ll be a lose lose situation. Because if he didn’t drop a diss song and came out on stage and say Kendrick his brother and he wouldn’t do that then they would say he’s ducking smoke because he been talking greasy. It probably would’ve been more acceptable but people would still be upset because he didn’t accept the challenge.
@@TheLarryj18it’s a lose-lose your right. But putting out the diss track and taking back is definitely worst
No he wouldn’t? He’s been begging for smoke for awhile now. The only respectable response to this was him clapping back and standing on it
Maybe not praised, but he wouldn't have looked as bad as he does now. Apologising over a competitive "beef" is weak, everyone knew the "beef" wasn't malicious... wasn't a Pac vs Big type scenario, we know it wasn't going to the streets like that, so an apology is hilarious
@@dizzyb2309nah, that's childish
J coles sentiment was nice. Granted I think the word "sorry" is what triggered some of his fans. J cole didn't apologize cuz he necessarily did something super wrong, but he regrets the song and saying things below his character.
Yeah, people will ignore the actual words that were said and make it whatever they want to be. I didn't care if Cole keeps rapping about being the best I'm with it. Being the best doesn't mean you're perfect.
people didnt get that and were all up in their feelings ... Yes as a hiphop fan it was sad but beside that i took him alot of guts to even say what he said and that is fine .. im big wayne fan but i like cole music , i am like appreciate them when they are here and thats all
Don't enter the battle if you have uncertainty, or you gonna come out looking weak. Cole said he wanted all the smoke but then folded when it came. Not a good look, despite how his fans try paper over it
The only thing he regrets is the poor reception if his diss was well received he would not take it back...
it wasn't in good faith, he even named the album "might delete later ". if people sided with him he wouldn't have apologized
Nah homie Cole was dead ass challenging ANYONE to come and rap against him for like 2-3 years straight. He gassed his fans, that shit didn’t come from outta nowhere.
What makes you say he is done, he just saying that he aint feel hurt by kendrick... diss didn't land on simba, so he embarrassed by misusing his power, he could still be waiting for the diss to land. lol
@@roberthorne9597 my guy just give it up. He literally called Kendrick the goat after making a diss record data earlier. He straight up told Kendrick that he won’t come back with a diss if Kendrick dissed him again
Ya don't get it him a Kdot good friends for a long ass time so he felt some type of way saying his shit was gassed and trash just for the "battle". Anyone else who is not in his circle would of dissed him he would of ate em with np.
@@Hit173 dude y’all are making that “ good friends “ thing up. Friendships are 2 sided. Kendrick has literally never said they’re friends. Only Cole has. Outside of Cole saying that there is literally no evidence of them being friends. Y’all gotta let that go. They’re peers in rap and Cole respects his pen. That’s it.
@@jalenchildress716I think everything else dude said is pretty true, but you’re right about this part.
It feels like a one way street, especially after the first few years. That said though… I disagree with the narrative this top comment is making because of what who you’re responding to said.
If Kendrick wanted competition via more tracks like Black Friday, I think Cole would be all in. I think his apology was genuine, he doesn’t wanna be toxic with someone he respects.
You said you're not a Cole fan, so I get maybe you've missed it, but replying with a diss was NOT "out of character" for Cole. HE has been saying for YEARS he'll outrap anybody that challenges him. His fans (myself included) wanted him to step up to the plate and be who he said he was now that he had been directly called out. It's a betrayal to us because HE led us to believe he was ready for action, then once it didn't go his way he flaked and left us holding the bag. What I would've respected is if he got on the stage and said "I dissed Kendrick but make sure we all understand it's just rap, I still respect him, but I gotta get these raps off" or just not made the response in the first place.
Perfectly said👍🏿
No betrayal at all. The diss was the mistake, "wont beef over nothing if I smoke a rapper its gon be legit" this was that. Beef over nothing. Cole has smoked everybody he has been rapping with the last couple of years, that is the way to show you are the better artist. Not by insulting your friends, but by creating great art. The diss created animosity and conflict between Cole and Kendrick fans. Cole is not about that. Love him for admitting his mistake and backing out of the drama. This is the change we need in hiphop. More unity, less division. The sport of battling is alive and well in battleleagues, but has no place in the mainstream. It creates hates. Lost respect for Cole when he dissed K-dot, but he won it all back with the apology.
Yea, funny enough the diss was the mistake, not the apology. Kendrick sent strays that did not need any responding to. Cole feels the pressure to respond cause fans want him to and he feels like he’s “in his prime.” He responds. It’s weak af. He apologizes. Everything before the apology is the mistake. And just like that, this whole image he’s trying so hard to portray has question marks cause bragging, while a trademark of rap, gotta be backed up when it’s put into question. I’m a fan but lots of people giving him props cause “this is who Cole is” were gassing up that diss track like they actually knew who he was.
@@justthetwoofus.Just found out Eminem isnt the woman beating/hating serial killer image he puts out. Cant listen to him anymore 😢😢😢
@@jrenfalkpedersen8886so did you lose respect for Kendrick for his Like That verse?
The j-hope song was a big deal in that it was a really serendipitous moment. j cole is j-hope's idol and he made hope want to get into music, which led him to being a part of BTS who are the biggest kpop group EVER.
But in South Korea, every man has to do I believe two years of mandatory military service. And that coleXhope track means a lot bc it's the last song j-hope dropped before disappearing to do his military service, and it's with the guy who inspired him to try music in the first place. It's a really bittersweet moment
Thanks for the info! Sucks they have to go to the army bruhhh
@@kaylat7063yeah they're all dropping solo singles and they're sort of staggering which member has the spotlight. Like Jungkook has his album and singles out with Latto and Jack Harlow bc i believe he's the only one not in the military rn.
mandatory military conscription in SK is another terrible effect of the US's role in the perpetuation of the Korean War. military imperialism knows no bounds. can even see it with what's happening in 🇵🇸 too. such a shame.
@@brad6546 they've all begun their military service, and Jin who was the first to go in just finished!
@@kaylat7063 They wouldn't need to if it wasn't for North Korea, Russia and China.
Not only did Cole say he was the best, he said he wanted the smoke. Exhibit A: Everybody Dies.
He said multiple times on the new EP as well
Yup and he folded! This video is Cole glazing like crazy!
facts. Kendrick ... its just *BIG HIM ... BUM !*
Cole steady throwing jabs at Kendrick, now he spineless . Fold better not jab at ANYONE ever again... he lost his chance to defend "his crown" . shameful.
Bingo! It's not that he was just generically saying "I'm the best rapper" every once in a while... He's one of the FEW rappers who made being the 'best rapper alive' +part of his brand+.. in a way that only Jay, Wayne, and a few others before him have...
@@revengewrld999 Something about you capitalizing that part of Kendrick's verse shows just how mid it really is. And that makes it even more upsetting that Cole did that
You guys better give FD his flowers now. He was right on the money.
I came back to this video just to see this comment 👍
I mean. He also said drake would never respond lol. But yes he’s 100% right with everything else
J. Cole has proved to be the smartest in this situation. Kendrick had a nuclear arsenal
I honestly wasn't mad at Cole for backing out; one of the few things that I could agree with Charlamagne on. And "meet the grahams" has only solidified that feeling. Being the middle child and only catching a few strays ain't so bad.
@FacelessVixen I like J.Cole but he's not number 1, he knew that from the jump, but the culture makes people respond, I respect cole for admitting he was wrong.
tbf i don’t think he would’ve had nearly as much fire for cole as he does for drake. cole hasn’t done nearly as many morally questionable things as drake has and kendrick doesn’t seem to have any personal hatred for him. it would’ve been over the second kendrick brought up his stats in rwanda but it wouldn’t have been nearly as bad as what happened to drake
I'm a J. Cole fan. I dig how he moves and am not shook or disappointed by his apology. Cole is an artist and approaches hip hop like it's art.
14:40 thankfully it could never be the worst diss track of all time. Nicki gets that award 4L
for what song? Bigfoot?
we need a b-sides of top 10 worst dis tracks now
@@lucas1321999ye
Right! I was shocked at Big Foot, Cole's was just disappointing.
Facts
EDIT* As of now we all owe J.Cole an apology lmao. We were talkin bout "Cole you gotta do it for the sport of Hip-Hop" Cole was like "I know these niggas, ya'll don't"
WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE 😂😂
ORIGINAL POST:
I rock with everything you said in this video but I gotta say this.. I've been bumping Cole since his first mixtape "Come Up" back in 08.. Been bumping Kendrick for about the same time... Not only this not on brand for the J.Cole of old It's not on brand with the current J.Cole or album rollout of "The Fall Off" that's been going on since he dropped KOD.. The narrative that he's pushed for the past half a decade with this crazy recent 3 album run and feature run is that he's the best, he's the pure rapper's rapper who's been overlooked by the mainstream and is tired of being mentioned as the proverbial "Middle Child"... J.Cole has openly said he's the best and he'll hop in the ring with anyone just last year on features.. That apology felt to me at least extremely disingenuous, gaslighting, and disrespectful to the competitive spirit of lyricism in Hip-Hop that has ALWAYS been a part of this culture and that Cole has used as a branding tool.. J.Cole has branded himself as a multi faceted rapper who can take it back to the traditional aspects of Hip-Hop (So has Kendrick).. I will never knock a man for wanting to protect his peace EVER and Cole is one of the greatest of ALL TIME no question.. But to act as if Kendrick, Cole, or Drake for that matter would ever get into a real "'beef" that bleeds out into street nonsense or that the fans of Hip-Hop at it's purist form are irrational for being let down or shocked by this just shows that the current cultural climate of Hip-Hop has absolutely lost the plot.. A man can't even proclaim being the best rapper without feeling like they'll die or tarnish their legacy.. This is an absolute blow to his legacy and perception especially to those of us who have followed his career since day one.. Kendrick keeps the sport alive competitively, Kendrick is not afraid to deconstruct his ego and show his human complexity in front of people just like you said Cole does.. Kendrick has shown he isn't afraid to stand on his convictions or artistic choices even when the world might disagree.. J.Cole has shown he isn't in that caliber of artist man.. no matter how you spin it or flip it.. respect to Cole for making a choice for his mental well being and not feeding into kayfabe but this was disrespectful not only to Hip-Hop but to Kendrick as well seeing as "7 Minute Drill" hasn't been deleted from streaming platforms and I don't believe it will cause it's making his team a lot of money and keeping "The Fall Off" in the conversation..
You said it. Idk about others but I'm a Cole fan and I don't knock him for the apology - it was a grown up move. But this is the same Cole who's been on a crazy run saying that he'll body anybody on the mic. So when finally someone in the same weight class takes a jab at him, he can't then turn around and say that this doesn't spiritually align with him. That contradiction is what bugs me. Having said all that though I'm still a fan and I'll definitely bump his new shit whenever it drops.
THANK YOU!!! COULDNT HAVE SAID IT ANY BETTER
100%, you said I perfectly
@@buunyyhopp I had to man it was eating my spirit lol
@@suhailrefaye92 Point, blank, period.. I know "The Fall Off" is gonna be dope.. and I can never take anything away from him as an artist or an emcee.. But he should be critiqued for this, we would be being dishonest to not question this glaring contradiction by one of the greatest rappers of the modern era..
Never been prouder to be a J Cole fan than when I woke up and saw the apology video. One of my biggest flaws is my reactionary nature, and sometimes I let my ego get in the way of bringing myself back in line. I can't even imagine doing it with the audience Cole has, but this has been really inspirational for me to make a change.
The problem is J. Cole brought this on. He's the one talking sh*t on his features and songs saying he can take on any rapper, he's a top-tier rapper. Then as soon as someone calls that into question, he folds. It's hypocritical and doesn't bode well. Also, he's implicitly saying he's hard / he's not p*ssy on the Might Delete Later. Like bro, you can't have it both ways.
Yeah and what FD said about it being a tradition in hip-hop to brag, it's because to claim you're the goat you have to be willing to defend it. Even Jay Z after getting destroyed by Ether still tried to make a response because if you don't try to defend that top spot you cant complain when people start disregarding what you say
Respect cole for following his heart though
Yes but on Middle Child he also said "if I diss a rapper it'll be legit, not for clout and fame"
HE'S A MAN OF HIS WORD
@@Eko_55_ No he’s not. Cause he still put out this diss. It’s be different if he said nun. But he put out the diss then retracted it
@@CamEron-nj5qy ever heard of a MISTAKE bro
@@Eko_55_ You the one who said “man of his word.” A “man of his word” wouldn’t put it out in the first place. I think he just saw ppl weren’t f-ing with the diss and then took it down
This comments section is a testament to why we have so many prideful politicians who double down in their wrongness.
People respect doubling down (even if someone is wrong) more than they respect humility and apologies
Thank you, you’re the only other woman I see here and the guys in these comments are telling on themselves big time. I would laugh but it’s not even funny cause they will gaslight for whatever will help their ego.
@@spacebar9733 yea, a lot of times the comments seem like former Kevin Samuels followers that like hearing FD’s wisdom but at their core are still extremely misogynistic. All these men calling J.Cole “soft” for humility and apologies are so toxic
Cmon man. you people just want to give Cole all the excuses in the world. I don't have a problem with him as a person. but it was him who kept saying he was the best. then he tucked his tail.
fandom really has changed so much. like its turned into self validation via the group rather than an actual appreciation of what you like. probably why so many explicitly fandom-based content feels super disingenuous or missing the point. I hesitate to point where it started but i was on tumblr and deviantArt back in the day and thats where I first encountered that sort of thing
Tumblr was so toxic behind the scenes.
The anonymous messages were crazy.
Yea being a fan now is not even about listening to music and enjoying it. It's about seeking validation through putting other artist and fans down.
seriously it’s so pathetic how people identify with rappers, movie franchises, athletes, etc. to the point they feel genuine pride, shame, anger, and hatred against fans of “competing” entities. I’ve stopped going on sports subreddits and Twitter for my favorite team because fans are more concerned with bragging rights and arguing online than actually enjoying the sport itself. You’re just a fan, there’s no reason to be talking shit or in your feelings seething about something that really has nothing to do with you besides the fact you like it.
I’m not saying don’t be passionate or enjoy the discourse/drama, but tying your whole identity to these things is not good. You expend too much emotional energy on shit that doesn’t really matter.
edit: FD put it well at the end of the video
@@yommish - this isn't meant as a 'oh, I saw this years ago, therefore I'm more astute than any of you', but I remember as a young boy seeing this attitude in Glasgow between Celtic and Rangers. I think it has calmed down compared to how it was in the 90s (people were getting killed over it), but petty factionalism manifesting in support for... Some really unimportant stuff overall is a thing that's been around for a long time. I think it only SEEMS that there's more of it because thanks to the internet, people are more likely to get a larger audience for it.
Consumerism. If these fanatics like J Cole so much they should try living the clean life he actually lives rather than absorbing their entire identities in brands
As a Kendrick fan, I’m just shocked he gave up so quickly. And cus of this I can calmly call Kendrick the modern GOAT with obvious evidence now.
The caliber of most rap artists isn't judged by who can make the best diss track. Andre 3000 is considered one of the best and he's never beefed with anyone.
@@rollcaskett1812 Cool story bro.
@@rollcaskett18123 stacks said the south was here to stay. Cole didn’t do none of that 🤣
rip tupac
@@rollcaskett1812 checkmated him into a generic retort lmao
Your comment about TPAB being "possibly the last truly transcendant great hip hop album we'll ever see" is a pretty bold statement. I'd love to hear you talk about that more
For real. billy woods is putting out work as good to far better imo
I've had this thought as well. I feel as though the evolution of the streaming environment has pushed hip hop more heavily toward constant releases (think YoungBoy) instead of curated and crafted albums. It's not necessarily just a hip hop problem, but I think it's a lasting change until the streaming era folds or a new, unexpected artist cones through specifically hoping to break the mold.
@@DavidRaji agreed
Last mainstream conscious classic is what he may be referring to?
It wasn't even the best album that came out that year 🤦🏿
To me, the most important part of what he said is what I don't see anyone speaking on. He mentioned almost relapsing and as a recovering addict I can tell you when your sobriety is at stake nothing else matters
Don’t care he’s a coward
@@imanigordon6803Just found out Eminem isnt the woman beating/hating serial killer image he puts out. He's a coward to me now 😢😢😢
@@user-ds5lf3he3xEminem is still a crazy mf and would never apologize. Cole is king of the punks to me I hope every rapper takes a shot at him now. They know he’s a clown now. 😂
I’m seriously shocked how nobody seems to be entering this into the dialogue
@@fronieeckenrode4989 bc a lot of men don’t think or care about things they’ve never experienced. It’s inconceivable to them.
He missed a very important point. Cole is not a victim. He's been talking shit for years
That's wild that you using the word "victim"
I see it as him challenging Kendrick and then losing, which happens, happens to a lot of folk, it's Kendrick. Plus he can always rap about global warming now like Scru Face Jean was saying, so he's got options still.
@@aarojpoll I think they meant it loosely but he didn’t even call or imply himself as a victim so I agree
Disagreed with the idea that we haven't seen an album nearly as great since TPAB, imo they're just all underground
Armand Hammer
Kendrick is the thanos of the rap game ethering people without even having to respond
Jcole was having sleepless nights
😂😂😂lmfaooo
"My work is done"
He really just dropped some oil slick out the whip and hit his targets. I know Drake's ego is hurting but maybe he's wisened up enough to stay quiet.
@@bonsairobohonestly the best career move Drake could do is stay quiet a let Cole be the sacrifice and public attention on KDot’s diss.
It’s so many cards stacked against Drake now it’s not even funny.
Feelin a lot like Nas lately cause Cole let me down with this
The funny thing about this quote people keep spamming is that Nas has a track explaining that he wasn't actually let down and was in fact proud of him.
the way the crowd changes as the wind blows differently...these comments are hilarious
These takes are really starting to irritate me…. Jcole has been saying he’s the best for 3-4 years talking about what he’ll do to your “favorite rapper “ multiple times and the backhanded compliment on 1st person shooter was the LAST STRAW how you big up Kdot as the BIG 3 and then say…. You feel like Muhammad Ali…? This is classic throw a rock and hide your hand behavior. No, Jcole didn’t have a spiritual epiphany he simply FOLDED when the time came to stand on those raps…..
Facts!!!
lmaoo most people just don’t do their research or they’re just trying to milk the situation for views.
Yeah you know how people are like "never thought I'd hear a bad take from you but this an L"? Yeah no this a LLLLLLLLL. Like just old head shouting at clouds, trying to be deep and knowledgeable but just being fake philosophical and wrong lmao.
Cole has been throwing shots for years, has stepped up to the plate, looked around and mocked the lack of challengers, then when someone finally steps up, he riles everyone up, drops the weakest "diss" ever and immediately steps off the podium. And people are praising him for losing???? Not just losing, losing so hard he was embarrassed that he even stepped up. What happened to the sport that I loved??? What happened to rappers having friendly competition and people defending their stances and actually competing???
@@bye1551 EXACTLY!!! Well said!!!!
@@afrosamourai400 🫡
His career is far from over, but his legacy took a hit
Did Jay-Z career take a hit when he got ethered by Nas? Hov is still one of the greatest of all time.
@@je6698 His legacy must've taken a hit if you still remember either 2 decades later
@@je6698 Completely different situation:
- The WORLD wasn't paying attention to Jay vs. Nas in real-time (e.g. no social media)
- Jay was +by far+ the bigger commercial artist. Damn near a pop star... Most of his audience was never going to care if he won or lost a 'battle' with some dude named Nas.
@je6698 stupid thing to say, they had a rap beef and one lost at least they went at it. did 2pac end Biggie's career? no, and people still love biggie to this day. J.Cole refused that legacy, said he doesn't want to be apart of it so they aren't the same
@@nilespeshay1734 Just like Kendrick fans never cared about how BIG KRIT properly checked Kendricks control song with Mt. Olympus?
Your right most fans won't care and go back to bumping their favorite artist regardless.
J Cole now revealed to be rap's wisest man for getting TF out of the way 😂😂😂
Also I think the effect you're referring to where creators are pressured to make content counter to their values is a form of audience capture - you see it a lot with science communicators who end up promoting pseudoscience after a while because it gets attention and support. John Campbell, Andrew Huberman, even Andrew Wakefield who was actually pro-vax (his vax) but found a huge fanbase of antivaxxers...
Pleasant surprise to see you out here! I think you hit the nail on the head
Proof that the general public doesn't really appreciate authenticity when it's not in line with their expectations. I'm not a J Cole fan but I admire his humility and ability to admit the truth. It's refreshing and respectable.
To be fair 3 weeks later after “Meet the Grahams” dropped and apologizing looks like the best decision of J Cole’s career lmao.
Oh, he just dropped again...
I like both Kendrick and Cole. Kendrick because he’s the GOAT but Cole because he is also an excellent lyricist and he brings a very positive energy to the game.
I love both Cole and Kendrick. I respect the hell out of Cole for apologizing and admitting he succumbed to peer pressure and what not. I just wish he would’ve handled the situation just a little bit differently. If he would’ve made his apology in the form of a song, it would’ve went over much better.
What?! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💀
@@simpslayer7839 I disagree with how he’s handling the situation. I can respect his position but I wish he would’ve “apologized” with a song instead of the speech he gave at Dreamvile.
“He’s probably the only rapper in history to start his own record label and actually find other rappers who also went on to be successful” ❓❓❓
Right?!??
Um... Dr Dre, Kanye West, Lil Wayne, I'm not a rap head but those are the three that came to my mind
Fr wtf was that. Ye ok JiD is successful but by that logic em signing 50 alone beats that. And let's not even get into Wayne signing the biggest male & female artists of the 2010's to young money
@@SEOshogun Dre isnt a rapper. Wayne brought people but I wouldnt say he started the record label (it was birdman's). I guess Kanye had Big Sean ? And Pusha T lately ? But he already had a career before.
@@warnaoh even with all that there’s still newer examples like opium or odd future
cole looking like fucking Nostradamus right now 😭😭😭
There's a real toxic masculine energy to people saying Cole is "weak" or "soft" for apologizing. He was willing to risk ridicule to do what he feels is right and that takes a lot of bravery and maturity. I still hugely respect his talents as an MC, even if seeing people post revised versions of his brag lines that now say Kendrick’s the best has honestly been pretty funny.
"Toxic masculine energy" lmaoooo stop it
Of course there is
Again it’s the rap industry so all this is expected, rap is nothing but a bunch of deeply traumatized men cosplaying as macho men through their music to put their feelings out there so it’s all fair game
The issue is when people ACTUALLY take this seriously and think these guys are actually real tough guys or idk what. And start saying shit like he is soft or weak while also brim serious. That’s corny as fuck
stop it with this "masculine energy" nonsense. Wanting competition is not inherently limited to men, nor is wanting consistency if said artist has been touting themselves as a Top 3 rapper for some time now. If you talk that talk then you better walk that walk. Pretty simple.
@@smittywerberjaegarmenjense3566 The phrase "toxic masculinity" refers to the view that in order to be masculine, you must do toxic things. It does not mean all masculinity is toxic. Toxic masculinity is like another word for machismo; it's "alpha" nonsense, it's reducing men to animal-like behavior, it's being so insecure in your masculinity that you have to fight anyone who insults you instead of acting like an adult; toxic masculinity is DJ Kahled saying he doesn't go downtown, etc.... This info isn't new.
@@lexp6099 Fair point, but thats not what I'm saying. What part of being competitive in a low stakes environment is "toxic?" Are sports "toxic?" How about debates? They are outdebating each other over music. I would agree with you if they went all 90s and physically harmed people they disagreed with but this was as tame as it could possible be. Not toxic at all and an incorrect use of a tired phrase.
In hindsight, he had a valid reason for dropping out. This wasn't a simple "challenge", this was deep rooted hatred.
It's so easy to forget rappers are more then lyrics and hip hop expectations, thanks for reminding me
Right. Cause is one "Soft" moment going to undo all the positive he's done via Dreamville. Like Dot is still a voice of a generation but Cole is an equal pillar to me due to how he lifted up younger artists which is a hugely underappreciated core element of hip hop.
@@dune-z2707This might be too parasocial of me but from what we know of Cole, he seems like one of the best people in rap at his level of fame, and I think that has a lot to do with why I fuck with his music as much as I do.
Bro it's friendly competition and Cole is dishonest. He was scared that's it, he's always thought Kendrick is better than him and he knew after dropping that mid ass diss track that Kendrick wouldn't hold back. He couldn't sleep because he knew what was coming
@@dune-z2707Jermaine doesn't measure up to Kendrick in any metric, he said it before and now he's shown it
as a general outsider to the "beef" i was really more into it for the theatrics of it all. two industry titans going at each other is fun from a spectator pov. my entire perspective changed when i actually watched cole explain why he did it. it was a reminder that "theatrics" in places other than where people' specifically signed up for it shouldn't be an expectation. as real people/artists they should be allowed to express themselves and react how they want. if cole didn't feel like what he did was authentic and didn't like that, then he's valid for retracting 7 minute drill.
now if we can only do something about pi....
I seen nothing wrong with pi, if you could help educate me on why it’s bad I’d appreciate it
@@khiddace the transphobic line 😭
@@BABILA. I’m not trying to be insensitive with this statement, it’s just how I perceive it and if that’s wrong that’s why I asked for the education to bear with me!
I know the line but I seen it as a comparison, less on the transphobic nature (that speaks to you not being able to be who you want) but more towards the fake facade (that even tho you know who you think you are and we know who you think you are, deep down what you are will never change regardless of how much you the outside, the inside was pre determined.
And now that I typed it out I can see how that would be offensive to the movement of being one’s true self however I have to stand on the explanation
@@khiddacethe ends don’t justify the means. Cole might not have had any actual ill will, but his words still have an impact beyond his intentions.
To someone who doesn’t know the intent behind the line, it feels like a dig at their existence . It also validates people who have transphobic views.
@@ffffffffffffff43 anything can validate anyone, I could say the NWord and it would validate racists to say it.
I have to reject that statement because before you assign something as heinous as transphobic to someone, you should be collecting the context around why they would use it. But I can agree to disagree
FD, I think you're not considering how much Cole raps about wanting beef and smoke. All over the off season and all over this very tape, he cultivated that competitive, MC, "end a rapper career if he f with me" energy. He did that.
You've come to a very sensible conclusion, as usual, except you're talking about him like he's Childish Gambino. No. He doesn't just rap about being the best, which, like you said, every rapper says. He goes further, talking about "if a rapper test him" and "how he's about the smoke".
Basically I feel like you ignore how he pushed that image himself, and then all of a sudden revealed that it was fake. A complete 180. In one night. With one speech.
Of course rap fans and his fans are going to be upset and disappointed. This man said he's a whole nicotine company worth of smoke. He did this.
I respect the speech in isolation, but this situation is all his fault. It just is.
I thought this initially too. But my opinion has shifted some the last couple days.
He does say he wants the smoke and to be tested type of shit… but I also think he still means it. Just not in the form of beef and dissing people he respects for the sake of it.
Like, if it was somebody he doesn’t revere so much and they actually came at him some type of way, I’m not sure he wouldn’t respond and stand on it.
On the other side of it, with someone like Kendrick… if Kendrick was up for Round 2 of Black Friday type tracks, I don’t think Cole would duck out.
I do get why so many people are so disappointed with this but… I’m not sure it’s entirely fair to say THIS is the kind of thing he’s asking for.
@@BlakeZeb then he needs to say that. 'Anyone can get the smoke.... unless I'm a fan'
@@QweenieBii95 He kinda does on middle child.
“They act like two legends cannot coexist
But I'd never beef with a dude for nothin'
If I smoke a rapper, it's gon' be legit
It won't be for clout, it won't be for fame”
If he feels like he has no reason to have issues with Kendrick, how is this not doing it for the clout or fame, the prestige of the crown?
There’s other ways to compete
@BlakeZeb that's contradictory to his other bars about body ingredients any rapper. It's like throwing rocks and hiding your hands
@@QweenieBii95 I mean, I don’t really agree but I get you.
I just think he means he’s better. Not that he’ll start dissing them. Like how people say he “kills” other people on features and stuff.
FD on here gaslighting Cole’s fan base. You don’t get to dismiss their emotions because YOU never believed he was the best.
Cole said it, people believed it, he bowed out/backtracked and fans are upset and disappointed. J. Cole can’t blame his fans for believing him.
C’mon bro, people are upset with Cole because he says constantly in his lyrics that he is ready for any competition and than he folded.
I became a Cole fan STRICTLY because of that energy. Rapper how loved to rap and respect the craft the same an athlete loves to play the game
I think my perspective on this is different as someone who is an avid Cole and Kendrick fan. I never understood people seeing J. Cole as “woke” when compared to Kendrick. I felt like Cole made music for the kids like me who grew up in the hood but never did “hood shit.” I thought he was just reflecting our experiences of being in the hood and watching the different paths we all take from the place we called home. I always saw Kendrick as the revolutionary and Cole as the “Unc,” if that makes sense. Like the same kinda uncle that be on the corner with his friends laughing and taking about, “You remember when the Winn-Dixie was down the road?” Or like the uncle that slides you some money/ candy for the good grades when he sees you in the summer. So I didn’t even think the diss made sense because in my mind they occupy two different spaces, but I see I’m in the minority. 😂😂
i actually agree with you fam
I agree with you fam
You can be woke without being a revolutionary, cole is definitively on the woke conscious rap spectrum..
@@afrosamourai400 The act of being woke itself is revolutionary so you can’t have one without the other. Also, like they said being woke require a level of knowledge. If he doesn’t read how woke can he be?
@@kaymitchell6143 nah you trippin being woke is just being aware or socially conscious, if you think reading make you woke you are just showing academic arrogance, you really think kendrick reads alot? You really think Che guevara read alot?
I'm a pretty huge Jcole fan, but Kendrick is the voice of a generation. Being a hippy nigro with natty dreads myself, I vibe with J cole more. But Kendrick wears the crown, always has. I haven't even watched the video yet, but I'm excited to see the take, given you nailed what his reaction would be ahead of time.
Ahh Damn, see you can't be woke and a bigot then talk about your bigotry. Work that shit out in private, or if you need to be egregious do something like auntie diaries.
💯. That show of vulnerability should be applauded. Also read a book.
Check out big krit
Yes! Rap bragging has been a thing in hip-hop. There are lesser artists who have done far worse and still claim to be the best. People shift to hating so quick on your career when you make a mistake. I aint saying people can't clown someone online, thats unavoidable, but at the end of the day it will never be that serious. Cole gonna be alright. Like this ain't about to stop me from listening to The Fall Off when it drop.
And he's not gonna be alright, he was considered part of the big 3 before his "apology" now People are questioning why they put him up there to begin with and seeing how he welcomed being part of the big 3 with open arms it's gotta hurt being excluded
@@Toka-wt3pm okay
@@Toka-wt3pm dude do you think a man ready to take the L and apologize publicly gives the slightest fuck about where people rank him on their personal imaginary goat list ? Lmaoo
Growing up, I never liked how fans made the consequences of losing a rap battle so dire. After the battle ends, it's the artists who are capable of going back to business as usual...the fans never are. I've always found it ridiculous that talented artists should see their careers suffer or take a financial hit just because they lost a rap battle - that's ridiculous, especially if the artist's music quality hasn't dropped. After someone loses, the fans no longer want to be associated with the artist perceived as the "loser" so they drop them like a bad habit, but the fact that some fans drop you as soon as you took an L makes me wonder whether they were really fans of the artist at all. I also always hated this "there can only be one " mentality. It's not the truth...it never was. Hip-Hop can have multiple success stories co-existing at the same time and always has. There's always been enough room for more than one at the top, the idea that there isn't always was complete fiction.
Kendrick is responding to years of sneak dissing by Cole and Drake, especially on First Person Shooter so it's not like the Like That verse came out of nowhere
Was Cole actually sneak dissing, or are we reaching in retrospect?
I’m not gunnu lie I saw that video by What’s the Dirt (I think?) and bought into it for a few days but… I don’t actually know at this point. I’ve seen a lot of people show more context around a lot of those bars disagreeing with that vid that make a lot of sense.
I think Cole not being ego driven is kind of a false narrative I mean if you listen to any of his most recent verses he mainly raps about how’s he’s the best and he’ll smoke anyone that tests his pen and he’s been saying this kinda stuff since he came out I personally think he apologized because the majority of people thought the diss was wack now he coping a plea you can’t sit here proclaim how great you are and how you’ll got toe to toe wit the best then say it’s not in your nature people are acting like this is a real dangerous beef or sumn
Is it ego or the spirit of competition? If Cole backed out, then shouldn’t we wonder how he viewed it? Maybe we don’t see it as serious, but we aren’t the ones in the beef, are we?
@@Spades20XX if you look at all the jabs they taken at each other I’ve the years none of them are super disrespectful etc it’s just competition it’s not beef Cole claims to be the best all the time he even did it on first person shooter then when someone battle tests him he folds hip hop and battle rap literally came from the dozens a game about making fun of each other and whoever is the best at it wins
People dont realize this man pushing 40. We're the only ones that care fr. Cole solid within himself. When you solid within yourself, you don't have to prove shit to anybody. And yes, he has every right to still feel like one of the best doing it. I fw him more for being true to himself.
Yet he did exactly that. Fell for the pressure of twitter
This man made a whole mixtape with digs at Kendrick, then also added a diss track at the end. If he was staying true to himself he would’ve never responded and just had that “spiritual awakening” speech off rip
You the cope fan he talking about.
All y’all holier than thou fan excuses don’t work because HE BEEN SAYING HE THE BEST AND NOBODY WANT IT and then HE CHOSE TO MAKE A DISS TRACK.
He is human, we slip up, no one is impervious
@@ahmadlansari5224 humans mess up but he invited this.
Thank you for putting into words what I’ve been thinking this whole time. I’ve been a J Cole fan for over a decade, and it’s been so embarrassing seeing his “fans” gassing up a beef he clearly never wanted, trying to defend the Kendrick slander, and now calling Cole a bitch for standing on his own principles. Like bro just shut up and log off if you’re that hurt a dude you don’t know decided not to have a pointless fight with his friend it’s not that deep
" Cole a bitch for standing on his own principles"
I mean I won't call Cole a bitch, but if he truly was standing by his own principles
7 min drill wouldn't have been made.
Cole always raps about how he’s the best and can take other rappers in a battle, now when he gets challenged he apologizes wow that just sounds soft no?
@@alexdiaz1592 It is soft don’t let clowns convince you it’s not.
@@TheSkaOreoHe made a regretful decision and apologized. That shit wasn’t him and he said that shit clearly. He stood on his principles by being honest about how he felt about Kendrick and his song.
Gassing up a beef he clearly never wanted? Please Jesus Cole is a victim of his own circumstances. He was sneak dissin Kendrick for years and asking to be challenged every other song. Please stop the gas lighting as if Cole was trapped into doing this.
Every rapper before him who said they were the best were also prepared to jump in the ring if anyone had something to say. Let's no rewrite history here sir
Everyone compares rap to boxing when that’s just one sub genre (battle rapping). If we’re using sports then think of it as running track instead, where it’s 100% possible to be the best without resorting to attacking someone you respect and instead staying in your lane and improving you’re own abilities
@@steamenginealchemist7109It’s a figure of speech. It’s not as deep as you’re thinking.
I was proud of J Cole for the apology. I felt the "diss" track was out of character and a regression for him. I'm glad he recognized that. I love both Cole and Kendrick. I do not listen to Drake or get why he's so popular.
I've been getting into Tech N9ne lately, and one thing I love about "Fragile" is that it seems conscious of the sort of mentality that seems to underpin these sort of beefs. Insecurity leading to a sort of fervent, semi-fanatical demand for praise and adoration.
+1 for Tech. He would railroad Drake.
Kendrick is the best rapper. Glad that it’s obvious now and Cole agrees
Cole glazing like that made me sad man.
@@imanigordon6803fr, shi had me bamboozled 😭💀
It has been obvious for like the last 10 years lmao
Facts!! better discography, better flows, more grammies, better critical acclaims, better verse on black friday...we already knew it..
As someone who doesn't listen to Cole, and only really listens to TPAB occasionally, I appreciate this breakdown. I've never felt as out of the loop as I did on this situation....
Cole's fans are being hypocrites. We all crowned Cole as having surpased the other 2 long before this, soon as First Person Shooter came out most people agreed Cole was the best of the 3. Now they are pretending that none of that matters because Cole won't battle, and they are acting like rap battles are what determines who the better rapper is. Cole doesn't need to diss anyone to prove he's better, just a few months ago we all said he *was* better without ever needing to diss anyone.
If yall are mad about him not battling, cool, but acting like this means he can never be the best is just false. He's already the best.
What i find so interesting about Cole is how much he just loves hip hop. He respects the craft and any situation that pushes him and his peers. He dropped the ball even doing the dis in the first place but I have a lot of respect and hear the passion in his music. For Your Eyez Only is personally my favorite rap album
I hate that people who have grown up with hip hop and the rules of hip hop are now being told they are wrong for wanting someone who subscribes to same values of the genre to engage in it! .. Yes Cole is human. But you have placed your self on a pedestal so the backlash is warranted because that’s nature!
A shawn cee mention let's go!!!!
my favorite hater🙏🏾
As a black trans man who was a j cole fan I notice that we aren't taking the casual violence he advocated for very seriously. We are focusing on aggression between two black men and discussing what the proper actions are. I just notice that and it makes me scared for the Black men who won even register those lines as trabsphobic but as ok
No one cares let’s keep it real. You need to get out of the bubble 🤷🏾♂️
I'm not in a bubble. Just calling attention to where we are collectively and what gets skipped when we all focus on a single part of the story. I live in the world just like you do
The track Pi is high-level raps at its finest.
I thought the trans bar was clever. He did acknowledged it was a trans man who was once a woman. This whole “correct that trans line” makes the cancel culture line that follows much more pointed.
@SheckBest idk, I love cole but he asks if trans men are putting on a face for insta then says trans men aren't real men bc they still have vaginas, which isn't always true. And if it's a dig at kendrick for being short/like a woman then it also kinda sexist. Then to end that verse with rather bodies bleed weekly makes me think he's ok with violence to trans men (not necessarily calling for it but saying it's ok in the rap bravado sense). I don't think it's clever it just seems like he's confused and was grasping for something mean to say
@@imanigordon6803 finally someone said it
As a J Cole fan everything said here I found to be true, Cole’s deficiencies are well known but despite all that he’s still my #1 been excited and happy about his entire rap journey
Well said..I ride with J Cole and I respect his decision…Genuine friendship and staying true to yourself weighs more than a diss track aimed at a friend..This is why Biggie never responded to Hit’em Up…
Honestly one of the more impressive videos you have done on account of how you hit on essentially everything with such meticulous articulation and brevity.
Idk why he apologized he could have just said nothing
Now he opens himself up to all this commentary
True… but everyone’s motive is not to be “cool”
Being mature and owning up to your wrongs hits harder imo
@meraki5104 he walked into the studio and pressed record and mixed and mastered it. He did it and he could've not responded. Tired of Cole and the pretentiousness of his fan base.
I get the feeling he's ok with that tho. Worrying about what other people thought is how he got here in the first place. As long as his decisions feel right to HIM, the commentary probably has very little impact.
As much as I appreciate he rapping ability he can never claim to the the throne now people will always bring this up
Maybe he cares more about being honest with himsef rather than appearing cool to people
I am not even a Cole fan but this is such a legit inspiring moment, I hope he sticks to his gun on this.
The actual lame soft and weak shit is to live your life trying to make yourself appear cool and tough to a bunch of random people that are neither cool nor tough
I hear you on a lot of this and agree broadly. At the same time, I feel like there is a HUGE portion of this that you (and many people) are missing: the sport of hip-hop.
I think dismissing 'but he said he was the best' as just an excuse for wanting drama is incredibly dismissive of a key pillar of hiphop. Yes, that kind of bravado has been a big part of black culture for time immemorial (shoot, I've been studying anthropology and have seen evidence of this in different forms in early hierarchies and earlier foraging cultures, but that's another story)... BUT, you can't just dismiss that as 'the culture' without also recognizing the other side of that. Whenever people say they are the best, there is the inherent and explicit demand to PROOVE they are the best.
A huge part of hiphop is the sport of Showing that you are the best. That you are authentic. Through your art. I'd even argue that the devolution to violence, ie the 'blood' that is associated with this is actually a corruption/abnormality and not part of the culture. I believe it was KRS or Rakim who said during the Nas-Jay beef that this was what hiphop was all about: if you had beef with someone, you did not take it to the streets... at least not with guns and fists, but with breakdancing and beatboxing and rapping.
Rap is meant to be a healthy and productive way of self expression for a peoples that's been relegated to experiencing and expressing nothing but violence for generations. It's meant to provide a useful avenue for the prideful and the skilled and the angry and the aggressive and the talented and the oppressed to express themselves.
Thus, when one says 'they are the best', the inevitable continuation of that is to prove it through your art. Sure, there are many artists who just say it without much fanfare, but I guarantee you they wish they had the opportunity to prove it. Folks like Krit, Lupe, Los, and even freaking Big Sean and Ludacris and so on still expect to show they are the best at what they do in some shape or form.
So for someone like J Cole to not only repeatedly say he is the greatest, but to do so in the same vein as Kendrick, on a similar scale and stage, then to rescind that is as much a disservice to the sport of hiphop as a Muhammad Ali or a Lebron James apologizing for trying to win the title/championship. It just makes no sense.
If anything, I think that this shows the importance of having actual rules around this sort of thing. I do worry about the commodification, but honestly the art has already been woefully commodified. I think in order to claw things back to the origins and the spirit of the art, we should consider having actual rules, regulations, and leagues or whatever around the sport of hiphop. We already have these in the way of expectations like you saw in this debacle, but if it was made more clear that making a 'diss' track is more about sharpening your pen rather than disrespecting the other person, then maybe his 'spirit' would be aligned. lol
Anyways, long story short, I agree that JCole was never about that life. And he probably shouldn't have been pretending to be. But I also think that, at least when it comes to the peak of talent, convos of 'Top Five' and 'GOATs' should be treated like a real sport rather than just something people say (on both the 'consumer's end, and the artists end).
Edit: ALSO! I think you missed a GREAT freaking connection to freaking wrestling!! A lot of the bravado of hip-hop is just kayfabe! It's performative as a part of the sport. But at what point do people mistake the kayfabe for the real thing? How and why do artists and fans alike fail to differentiate between the performance and reality? I think that's a whole other conversation to be had.
“more about sharpening your pen rather than disrespecting the other person”
THIS DING DING DING!!
the stupid thing to me is that there doesnt need to be a top-level rule. if “hip hop” was (or has been) **actually** moving towards liberation?? (which is a WHOLE other discussion but) all of these people “at the top” now would have intrinsically understood that. the entire genre would not be commodified, colonized and partitioned like it currently is, either.
I can’t believe he intention removed all the subliminals and “I’m the best” bars J Cole has been dropping the last 4 years
A way more knowledgeable assessment of this situation. Thank you! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I honestly believe that Cole could've set some respectful ground rules before responding on wax and still proceeded to battle Kendrick. The fans would respect that. It doesn't have to be highly offensive diss records between them. Now Kendrick vs Drake, that's something different.
nothing wrong with disrespect if that is how the sport is played. See battle rap.
@@Dezzyyx I agree, but even with battle rap, everybody understands going in that the disrespect is part of the rules. It's not meant to be personal personal (or your meant to have enough humility not to take it personally).
This is super interesting tbh anthropologically speaking because this reflects the 'reverse dominance' practices many of our ancestors would do (and African foragers still do today) to encourage humility and check ego by essentially roasting people. Cool shit.
I was a j cole fan before the apology and im still one after. Even moreso now
Any actual Cole fan wasn't surprised by the apology. Even when noname was going out of her way to disrespect him, he said what he needed to say and moved on. Once the kendrick stans and the clout chasers find new drama they'll move on to something else. A fan of all 3 but Cole number 1 for me
Man, when kept hearing Cole fans hype up 7MD as the perfect response to Kendrick’s verse in Like That I knew that they’d co-sign anything that Cole put out in this battle. Which is why I suspected there’d never be a definitive winner since both fanbases would never not hype up their guy.
And that has always been my case with Cole fans. Despite Cole being more relatable, they never accepted that Kendrick was in a similar lane but always a few steps ahead of 😢Cole. Even now, Kendrick is still ahead despite this features run Cole has been on because all the big talk was obviously a facade.
i think over the years J Cole has gotten better by sanding down his worse habits while honing what was good and i think that's what holds him back the most. The Noname beef made people say he don't read and given that line off Pi I believe it.He hasn't gotten a great deal smarter or wittier but he has gotten rid of a lot of what wasn't working.Hes making less mistakes but whats left isn't enough to make him a truly great rapper com[pared to someone like kendrick
We just gotta call him Jermaine Lamar now, cause he's that man's son forever now
😂🤝🏾
JK D Animator's video on this had a line where Cole calls Kendrick God and himself Jesus, so not far off
That’s his actual middle name lol
That’s crazy! I googled and it is his middle name lol aw man.
Crazy that Lamar his middle name
its the transphobia for me that was really upsetting. ive never been a cole fan or hater- tho ive been a kendrick fan since my big brother showed him to me- but the weakness of the clapback coupled with the light bigotry was just so lame. if it wasnt for transphobia, i really wouldnt have minded him apologizing and walking it back a little- if anything itd just be an interesting turn of events, and id go back to being apathetic about him, if a little disappointed the beef didnt go no where. but as it stands, the dude came out and released shit that was disingenuous, hateful to a whole ass disconnected minority group, and lame. lost my empathy with the weird strays trans folks caught.
edit: just to clarify to anyone that sees this- i dont think cole seems hatefully transphobic or anything, it was just lazy and lame and only serves to stoke the flames of people that ARE hateful. kendrick has a lot of queerphobic haters.
All I’m saying is while I’m conflicted about this situation…
We are literally OWED that collab album now😭🙏🏿 (Cope until there’s NO MORE HOPE😭😭)
I needs it!
The real fans never left him. The real fans knew cole was about a different energy. K. Calling him out felt to me so toxic. Like cole of all people getting a shot fired at him is crazy to me and imo is very low because how true cole is. Dude went on tour for a dollar per ticket, waited 8 hours for yb who never showed up to the studio, does features for free because he loves rap, paid the people who helped him with a place to stay when he was trying to start his career and made a shelter for single mothers and then some. When he dropped his reply damn right i will support it because i felt it was justified and even throughout the reply he's saying i love you and i dont wanna do this. Which made the he whole thing worse for me. After his apology ive been arguing it takes a strong man to speak his truth no matter the backlash. The fake Cole fans saying they cant support him never really did. You can enjoy the newer coles nasty bars and flow but i know cole is still the guy from born sinner, forest hill drive and 4 your eyes only. feel how you feel but art speaks for itself.
Cole was just always different.
He’s the antithesis of hip hop really.
So he’s response isn’t off brand for him. To his “real” fans (myself included), this isn’t surprising.
People been writing him off as the 3rd in the top 3 because he’s the middleman and he knows his place.
While I’m still kinda on the fence as to what his response (diss and apology) means hip hop wise,
I have a lot of respect for him as he took a risk to his placement in hip hop history.
This is one of this moments in history where he did something so polarizing that people won’t really understand and it has to grow onto people.
I believe this took balls as I’m the world of rap and the world overall craves negativity and violence.
They want niggas going at each others throats and killing each other (figuratively and maybe literally) and be surprised when they actually do it.
Cole is a introspective guy who cares more about things that most people look over than some dumb ass petty shit. It’s adult of him
I think people take shit like this way too seriously and are surface level and dim witted so the public response isn’t surprising.
Just can’t wait for The Fall Off at this point.
I just want to say I truly appreciated your video on Patrice Lamumba and acknowledging the Congo
I agree with everything. Apologizing/tell the truth/recognising you did something that your not proud of should be a good thing. I would be proud if I was his fan, because that takes so much to do.
I’ve Nvr been a Cole listener. I originally thought Cole’s bow out was the boldest move by a rap star. In my eyes he protected his family. That was always apparent 2 me. A true man move.
Cole backed out because he saw that the beef was way more than who has better albums and bars. He had no business in this beef. Hate him for it. Don’t matter. Most if not all you people here would run as soon as you hear gunshots firing. Calling Cole a coward is hilarious considering most of y’all can’t fight and would run as soon as shit hits the fan in a real dangerous situation. That’s what this beef was and Cole saw that it was deeper than rap. So he bowed out respectfully. And ima still listen to him and still give him a spot in the big 3. Cry about it.
Nope I'm not letting that statement rock. We are not going to call Cole's response the worst diss ever. Especially when we have a whole trash heap in Big Foot. Now that was a steaming pile of dog crap. I don't look down on Cole walking this back he is still one of the best of this generation. That said he needs to knock off that I'm the greatest talk. We now know he is not built for that.
That part!!!
Yeah like there’s defo be worse diss tracks in this life
And I agree the fall off better be about global warming or some ish like that lol I don’t wanna hear one I’m the best bars because it’s all fugazi
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 I feel Cole's best work was when he was being introspective or just assessing the world around him. Simply just being the cleaver and sharp MC we know him to be.
Been a fan for 14 years. This one hurt. It will never be the same.
Cole did the right thing
Thank you for bringing up the transphobia in Cole’s line… as a n.b. Person, it helps knowing that people care and see the harm in that line as well. You are willing to spend time unpacking some of the damage in a bold and clear way. I wish it wasn’t risky to stand up for trans people, so i just wanted to say that i see and appreciate you standing by who you say you are. You help uplift my community, hopefully we can keep this cycle of nourishment going *much love*
Also…you’re so spot on with every diss😂🎉 and with your observations and analysis of the rap game in general. Mad respect to you and your brilliant work.
Proud non-J Cole fan here who has been chronicling his slide into reactionary tendencies at least as far as KOD (which was nakedly riffing from Kendrick's 'untitled, unmastered. but that's neither here nor there)... none of this is surprising. He's been telling us who he is for a while now, for better and for worse, and I don't think he's nearly as progressive as he tries to frame himself.
I think the tricky thing about this is that rap culture can be competitive - occasionally stupidly so - and that this was never going to spill over to street level violence; this was always going to be a light war of words that you can argue Cole has had interest in for some time (a lot of those records on 'Might Delete Later' have been recorded for a while and the subs at Kendrick were more plentiful than just 7 Minute Drill, which was indeed rushed and clunky). I think it's also very telling that he got folks (Ab-Soul & Daylyt) affiliated with TDE on that project given Kendrick's exit from the label and the rumours of bad business that have been swirling there since at least 2017. That to me implies that Cole was indeed pressured by forces around him who have had issues with Kendrick, gassed up by his fanbase, and probably a bit too reckless coming off of the partying arrogance of the Drake tour - he wanted to keep this a chess match, everyone else wanted him to get in the boxing ring. And without even putting too much behind the rumour that Kendrick was supposed to be on 'First Person Shooter', the fact Cole referenced him and then purposely excluded him - and how Kendrick has been hungry for a proper battle since the early 2010s - means at least to me that Cole initiated the public bout, Kendrick responded with a jab on 'Like That' that Cole probably should have ignored for his own good, and yet it seemed like Cole was getting ready for a proper bout with 'Might Delete Later'. I don't think the project is good, but it showed a desire to spar and back up his bragging and pen.
So to see him retreat is in character for the largely insecure, mid rapper chasing Kendrick that he is, but that's also not what he was setting himself up to be in his run to 'The Fall Off', especially as his venom for 'Mr. Morale & The Big Steppers' across multiple songs has been extremely revealing of the limits of his introspection - Kendrick will do the awkward and uncomfortable work whereas Cole has proven... averse to it, to be kind. I would say I feel bad for J. Cole stans and everyone who embarrassed themselves shitting on TPAB all weekend... except they've made my life miserable multiple times the past decade when I've called out a lot of J Cole's nonsense in my reviews, so to see a certain amount of egg on faces has just left me shrugging; they did it to themselves.
And while I think Cole might have apologized, I don't think Kendrick will care that much - he understands the sport of rap, he came up under Dre idolizing Eminem - and both Drake and Cole might get the full clip when he engages, Drake the majority. Granted, the big wild card in all of this is Future, and if Future's got more ammunition prepared for Drake given the badly burned bridge there, Drake will probably calculate his response after or simultaneously with the release of 'We Still Don't Trust You' to step on its rollout, with a fair few shots at Kendrick along the way. Then Kendrick REALLY unloads what he has prepared. Speculation, of course, but I think this mess gets worse before it gets better.
Thank you very much 🤝🏾
These are my exact thoughts on J Cole. I think FD is being generous to him. His introspection has always come across as performative to me - a copy of a copy
I loved For Your Eyez Only and J Cole when I was in my mid teens, and have been firmly off the Cole train since his little feud with Noname. His wack ass trans bar only solidified the distance I had put between myself and his music. I wish he would read a single book, but I wish that for most people.
I'm a huge Kendrick and JCole fan. I can't see anyone getting mad at Jcole for speaking his truth. He has nothing to prove his art and also him as a person speak for its self. Jcoles influence transcends beyond music and punchlines I could never be dissapiunted in him after everything he has given to the culture and after he continues to show up for us in and out of the booth. I think people that aren't even Jcole "fans" notice this and appreciate him. He doesn't have to tear down another artist that's also showing up for us and making a positive impact. In his soul he know that isn't what God gave him his gift for. Especially when it's another black man, too many eyes are watching and somethings don't need to be handled publicly. However I did enjoy the great music that came out of the Kendrick Drake beef. 😊
Dude im looking into all this cuz im a die hard cole fan, and a love how respectful you are plus the vid is dope ashhh
I'm a little conflicted about this recent bit of news about J. Cole. On the one hand, I can respect him as a person for being honest about how he feels. On the other, I do feel a little disappointed that we couldn't have gotten a more direct competition between the two. Almost like a sparring match between two of the best lyricists in the game (though, they aren't the only best spitters out there).
I think Cole was in on the takedown too. He has the "might delete later" track (that speaks for itself ) then in the first person shooter vid he knocks Drakes King piece over while they are playing chess, he also has the album called the fall off but states in a song that "he aint the one falling off" on top of the fact that him and Kendrick been close FOR YEARS and Drake has been sneak dissing cole too... When it all comes out and we see he was actually a General in the war to win Hip--Hop back his album will BLOW, he'll have plenty of new true fans and we'll see him for the strategic genius willing to lose a battle to win the war that he was ..IDK what yall think?
Agree.
He wanted beef; he was saying he is the "king," right? The same goes for Drake. In their songs, Kendrick gives both of them smoke; now no one wants it?? They are both bozos fr how you ask for something but one of them is a cricket 🦗and the other is saying sorry. 🤡 So now he is backtracking because he feels bad??? 🤣 Kendrick is the king; that's that. 😂
If he made a better diss record and thought about his words instead of spending 70 minutes on a mid beat and really sat in the stu he wouldn’t even have to, pathetic
Oh and not being transphobic, cole probably has a few trans fans it probably hurt to hear those words
Kendrick did the same after control when meek have the same energy to him
This was J. Cole's Macklemore moment....
Why is it called a Macklemore moment?
@@100c0cBecause Macklemore ruined his career being a coward and not taking his W. J Cole is a coward for the same. Ruined his career for nothing.
Ehh sorta
@@imanigordon6803Neither careers died bruh
@@jeremybrown9611 who listens to Macklemore anymore 😂 someone had to remind me he existed.
I want to add that J-Hope is a really big fan of J. Cole himself. He even called his first solo mixtape Hope World referring to Cole World with this title.
I REALLY do not agree with this take. Trying to make it out to be a maturity issue of his fans is revisionist. Cole has been telling us for the last three years that nobody wants the smoke with him and he’s ready to go at anyone. He’s solely responsible for the image he’s created in his fandom. To back track after the diss received a lukewarm response doesn’t hit me as mature, it strikes me as the opposite
Cole is a scottie pippen type. its hard to appreciate the pippens of the world
pippen carried jordan
@@zavthe1371delusional
Jordan carried an injured Pippen and a bunch of scrubs to a chip in 98. Scottie got a migraine and pouted in the 94 playoffs while they lost. Let’s stop the nonsense.
@@comebackkid44723even w his migraine, Jordan had food poisoning and literally the day after had a game w everyone and still carried and our performed both teams, it’s always Jordan>Pippen, but that shouldn’t diminish Pippen’s influence on their winning either
@@THULASIMECINA exactly. Pippen was important and Jordan wouldn't have won 6 rings without him but nobody wins without a somewhat good team around them.
Man if someone called me a Pippen type I think I'd take that as an insult
Idk about the beef but that song hunting wabbits goes hard af. The way they sampled meat canyon, just perfection.
Seeing the responses both here and elsewhere has been so strange to me. Maybe its just cause as a hip-hop fan, ive never been interested in diss tracks at all (i mostly find them boring), but i find him being humble and honest about what he wants for his art and what he values is way more brave and respectable than any nonsense fight he doesnt actually care about. Its just dumb machismo that doesnt matter
Now if he could just apologize for his transphobia then id really mess with him again. For now tho, i'll say respect his art and spirit and honesty, but nothin else.
I appreciate the DRC video so much! It might not have done well with the algorythm, but it was really important.
"You skipped on the congo video, but you clicked on the boobs" had me cracking up 🤣
I've always believed two legends can coexist and I still have a lot of respect for Cole even as a Kendrick fan. I'm just sad that J. Cole is right: hip-hop beef as we know it just doesn't make sense in the streaming era. In the classic era there were so many gatekeepers to success (labels, DJs, radio stations, etc.) that being the best directly translated to more sales and a good diss could completely disrupt your entire career trajectory, for better or worse. People bought CDs from record stores at full price, so often a good diss was the difference between a teen spending their last 10 bucks on your album and that kid buying your competitors'.
Nowadays, music promo happens anywhere, at any time and nobody's buying albums anymore since we all just use playlists on streaming services now. As a result, there's a lot more space for everybody to get a bag without stepping on each other's toes: my playlist has Kendrick, Drake and Cole on it, y'know?
So naturally the competition has eased up and nobody wants to beef anymore except the very few artists who are petty, value that older iteration of the artform, or both.
Contrast that with what's happening with the girls, where there are still a lot more barriers to personal success and respect in the rap game. They're a lot more competitive, though I don't expect that to last much longer either, now that Ice Spice is around. She did to them what Drake did to the men in hip-hop, in that she disrupted the paradigm that said you must go through traditional channels like Nicki and Cardi did. Once one person sidesteps the gatekeepers, everyone else will too