as annoying as it was for the avg players like us, the pro scene was so much more fun to watch. unlike the th14 where literally everyone was using LaLo, we got to witness so many different varieties of army comps as the meta for th15. definitely something to remember
As an average player who loves watching the pro scene, I can totally agree with what you're saying. th14 became so boring to watch with the same queen charge/lalo strats every attack. As frustrating as it can be to have a Mac TH15 mirror..I love watching the pros do it.
@@crowwithnas a th15 i genuinely say th9 was the most fun during clan wars back in the days when th11 was the highest th, th9 required so much skill back then
rage spell tower was the most infuriating part of town hall 15. for invisibility and poison spell you can trigger them with one troop and wait it out, but for rage you have to either spend a freeze or have to deal with double damage defenses for 15 seconds. thank goodness supercell noticed this and are nerfing the rage tower for town hall 16
I like that it’s not easy to get three stars, but I hate how little time we get. There are so many buildings and the amount of time per attack hasn’t adjusted since the mid 2010s
They don't adjust it because they don't need to, if you time fail, you messed up your attack or your going against someone higher level than you. They actually didn't add any extra buildings in the TH15 update because they removed 3 barracks thus cancelling out them adding 3 more buildings.
most avg players on th15 are the ones that spend money they wanna cry and whine about having it hard? what about us f2p players? we wanna use our brains in attacks and since we cant spend money, we wont be at the highest level and so it hurts me to see people spam witches / yetibats to 3-star from th10 to th14. its good that th15 was hard
@@namishjain9238 Spm is good becuase its easy and saves time on attacks. Queen walks and other strats take a bit more time and some of us just want to progress, and even if you are “f2p”, it still takes time and time is money.
Clash of clans updates should never be inspired from pro players because 90% players do not play clash for 16 straight hours a day... Th15 is a example of it
Nah man, even as a casual myself, there is no denying that a game like Clash of Clans absolutely lives off the competitive aspect to a certain aspect. Creating an extra step that is specifically catered towards pro players is something that keeps alot of games waaay more alive, since the ceiling is always raised for a casual player to step up and learn some more. That also applies for CoC and I hope it stays that way with TH16
I’m a maxed TH15 and get 50% 3 star rate in war. I don’t see any problem with TH15 vs TH15 attacks unless you are using spam army 99% of the time. The biggest issue I hate the most is the Dark Elixir upgrades for heroes and pets..It’s brutal if you want to upgrade 3 heroes and a pet you need -/+ 1 million DE. Now I have to do it again with TH16…just kill me please.🤮
He said its hard for casual th15 players would have a hard time understanding the mechanics, but if ur th15 I dont think that it would be that difficult
Town Hall 15 was one of the best town halls in a while. Multiple new defenses and things to play with that were fresh and made the game different. Building bases was rewarding and so was learning how to attack, everything has a counter. Terrible take imo Edit - Nobody seems to remember town hall 10…much much harder back in the day
I don't play anymore but at the start th8 and th10 were really annoying townhalls. People would suggest skipping them entirely because,, Th 8 upgrades took too long. I don't know how it is now but maxing th8 took more time than maxing th9. Th10 inferno were hell because they negated heal spell. Freeze spells took too much housing space. And th9 and th11 being so good didn't do them any favor. People would skip for heros because queen and grand warden were so worth it. Th11 was the last time I actually enjoyed playing coc. I mean th11 was not easy but bowler were so fun to play. When bowler is at the centre of base, you put rage and warden ability, it was so fun to watch the destruction. Even after th11 became max th level, I could 3 star much more th11 base with th11 armies than th10 base with th10 armies. Th10 became bearable when they nerfed inferno.
I agree that TH15 was great. I like that it had a lot of skill gap and you actually had to be good to pull off 3 stars. I guess a lot of the community just wants to spam edrags and never learn any of the games mechanics. I hope that TH16 is just as hard as 15 because it's nice to actually be rewarded for being a good player
I think the hate towards th15 is not justified. Its a strategy game, and if you don’t have a good strategy or fun playing with strategies and learning them, then why playing clash in the first place? Its like eating something you’re allergic to even tho you know you shouldn’t eat it, and you still blame it on the food. How does that make any sense? If you don’t like to be challenged, then go play cookie clicker or sumthin like that
@ssvvgghammer7642 bro when I was bigger into this game back before the multi inferno nerf getting a 1 star 11v11 was normal pros and non pros... what makes Th15 seem hard are too things, the easiness of th14 and 13, the proliferation of relatively good bases via link sharing on youtube and the rage towers. COC is still much easier than it used to be, th11s would fail dips on th10s alot back then, and the bases werent even good...
More difficult town halls are the way to go imo. Yes COC is more about attacking which should mean if it was too ez it gets very boring really quick. If you actually plan attacks decently well you aren't gonna struggle to wipe most bases. Sadly tho a lot of players seem to prefer using the same spam army against every base and expect to 3 star with zero planning. Town hall 15 wasn't a failure at all it recaptured the spirit of the game and brought back the competitive E-sports scene and gave players that actually want to enjoy attacking a good challenge. It really just sounds like a huge skill issue to me ngl.
This! I totally agree! If you want to be a brainless clasher that's fine but don't complain that the game doesn't cater to your every need. There are plenty of easy town halls where you can mindlessly get three stars so why should good players not get our town hall as well. We only get one or two while the rest of them are easy. If you don't want to have to put thought into the game then just stay at town hall 13. Heck town hall 15 now is going to become easy as well when 16 drops. I'm so tired of bad players trying to ruin games for the rest of us.
Yeah but they went a little overboard considering you had even pro player 0 starring for the first couple months of it’s release. Basically while I agree there should be challenge, seems like th15 was just a little over tuned. Because face it, if a more casualish player practices their ass off yet still struggles to triple a lot, they might stop being incentivized to play the game. And well, you want people playing the game.
Biggest issue was definitely the rage tower. The rage effect radius was so large that buildings could barely be in the circle and still get raged. And the fact the rage lasted for 18 seconds was very long. The monolith, poison, and invisible towers were figured out within weeks. But for the rage your best bet would be to zap quake the tower or freeze the defenses so they couldn't take advantage of the spell.
Skill issue the game became more fun because it was harder to 3 star other town halls arent satisfying to 3 star if u play a game for years to get to th15 u better not complain about a easy game getting slightly hardee
Regardless how tough th15 was, it made us better attackers. So I feel like it was a good experience since I/we learned how to plan attacks accordingly and adjust during those “uh-oh” moments. I’m glad I got to experience th15 at its toughest, since it helped sky rocket my attack skill.
I like having th15 being much difficult than other town halls as it encourage players to plan attacks more rather than relying on spam and hoping for a three star. Only problem is that the defenses are a bit too strong for the average coc player to handle especially the rage spell tower
@@Off_tomuch what attack strat do you use ? I think the game is actually pretty balanced you’re supposed to be a elite player if you’re in legends league hence the title I think it’s good that not everyone is always 3 staring every attack
@@miseryville attacks for th15 isn’t just spam and get 3 star. Also, Spam is the only thing that can work in most bases. For example, e drag spam is good and versatile for any compact base. Other more advanced attacks which can be planned out ahead on time in clan wars may not be versatile enough to use in multiplayer. This is a problem because only planned out attack strategies will get you a 3 star in th15.
I didn't have too hard of a time getting 3 stars at th15, but my biggest gripe is that the townhall lasers and bomb were just so powerful it kind of made it entirely unappealing to go for it at all. Watching a lot of my 1 star defenses, this tends to be the case. If you set your base up with just a decent layout, the TH does such a huge portion of the work
Fully agree with you, just because guys like him crying that th15 was hard supersell made th16 easy as i see in sneak peaks. Now they will spam edrags or rootriders on every base and will get triples, and then they will name th16 "the best townhall of all time"...clowns. Now i have 43 wins in a row in my clan that me and my teammates do by hard skill and good attacks at th15, 14, 13. And i now that the winstreak will end right when some stupid idiots will spam edrags at th16😢
The argument that th15 was too frustrating for the average player to play at and therefore threatening a massive player base of the game sounds like a stupid argument? You’re daft
Strong bases needs high level of strategy to beat this, if you complain why it is OP then change your strategy not change the mechanics of the base just to favor your old strategy to beat the base with it. Even I am not good at using my own strategy, I don't complain for those bases to be that strong since it is made to be strong and it can be counter with the use of our brain, effective strategy for that base and any more, many of them were skill issue and needs to be trained.
Nahthe th15 spells were just too unpredictable especially in legends league, u never know what to expect and even if u do, u are not sure how to go around it, each spell was insanely broken especially the rage back then, now since root riders came everything became easier
@@minors290 So it's the AI issue now? Maybe you should learn, after 15 town halls of progression, how to manage your damn troops and control their movement?
Not gonna lie th15 was pretty hard for the first 6 or so months but as Legend players it forced me to get better and try new strategies. I went from a PB of 5890 (made during the th13 era) to a 6200 PB this September. Also I went from having an avarege finishing post of 6000 in the world to 3000 with a new best finishing place of 2234 in the world. Th15 is/was the th for everyone to improve or to remain avarage or even worse shit.
@@sarthakkadam7615 i have never been maxed because i left the game from time to time to focus on studies (mostly parental pressure) and so it pains me to see people spam and 3 star because i like to plan for my war attacks it takes the competitiveness out of the game and at that stage, what's the point?
@@soralee1910normal gameplay is just shit below th14. Flame flinger does the work for you it could basically clear half of the base on its own at least with the assist of gw walk triggering traps, teslas, also taking fire from mortars, xbows. For different friendly war tournaments that communities do may have rules which could make even th10 more interesting, like no siege machine allowed or any troop or troop level above th10
It was the most hated because it is the first ever most difficult TH of all time, the "not all strategy will work on all bases" really proved by the TH15 era, but I'm starting to miss the challenge after the release of TH16, Im shitting alot on bases now, before TH16 I cant get pass through 5700+, now Im sitting at 6300+, I actually appreciated TH15 now.. The issue I think is the reward system which has been the same thing since the release of the game. Its all about 3 stars and when you dont get it, you "suck".
And with th16 i hope something offense wise comes to the game. Like 5 hero levels aren't enough and I really don't wanna spend 9 hours to learn base layout with 200 different troops. I quit the legend league after 6 months of th15 and just played casual with superdragons at 5000-5200. And now i don't care about trophies anymore
@@DarkJoker11892heros are significantly stronger then before because of equipments. They just shifted the power from hero levels to equipments a little bit
Yeah, th15 went out of control, nothing was balanced correctly. Nice to see the nerf on rage spell and TH poison, hope they got the defense ratios correctly or the new troop levels won't be all that, but sad to see how broken SF is going to be, infinite invis will be nerfed for sure. Plus still yet to see new troop
Unfortunately, the problem is that the gap between a theoretically best defense and a copy-pasted defense, VS a theoretically best attack and a follow a guide attack, is too vastly different. So pro players will always have only slightly better bases than the average player, but have much better attacks
Yeah, the link for bases kind of destroyed the game in that way. In the past a casual player attacked a casual base and was therefore able to three star easily. This has changed now :(
@@NLX_n999if u play a game for years u better be decent 3 stars should be earned why u complaining. If 3 star is easy shits boring. Learn the game that u invested years in smh. Coc is easy as hell and people here crying about the game rewarding skill based play.
@@slurp3194 Well, now they just made the game easier in general. So pro players and casuals have to hit the same bases. So if casuals can triple these bases pro players almost don't fail. That would not have been the case if casuals kept their casual bases
Truthfully, I think it should be hard to 3 star for the casual. If everyone 3 stars it’s not an interesting dynamic so it’s fun to see people to struggle to get a 3 so it’s actually exciting
Honestly back in my day in champion league there were attacks with 0 stars. A 3 star back then means you forgot your inferno tower outside the walls idk how anything but a 3 star is an unacceptable attack nowadays its stupid
I don't think 3 star attacks should be as common as they are. 1 star should be considered a win by the player, as it is considered by the game. 2 stars should be considered very good and 3 stars should be exceptional. These days it is impossible to get 0 stars if you are actually trying. You SHOULD be able to lose offensive battles.
I thought og th15 was pretty solid. It made ur upgrades feel like they were worth something and made attacking harder and more engaging. It took out a lot of troop spamming and opened the door for a more strategy based game which is what COC is supposed to be
As weird as TH15 is, TH14 was hideous, the walls are so ugly and the progression is soooo slow. TH15 feels fast paced and has fun troops. I’m loving playing it again
Literally just skill issues is why... For good reason ofc, th 15 was disgustingly hard at the start. I really like the monolith, and the spell tower is a *very* cool addition, but man, did they screw us so hard. Pro players should have ways to make the game harder, but that 99% of us really didn't thrive like they did.
Funny, in CWL we faced a rushed TH15 but with maxed key defenses (inferno, eagle, rage tower, scattershot). I attacked it (I have maxed Th13 troops except heroes). I was only barely able to get a 2 star even at so rush because of the rage tower and monolith like holy shit, I thought it was gonna be easy since it was rushed TH15 but no.
As a th11 player I feel like it’s the opposite problem doesn’t matter what base design you have all they have to do is lightning your air defenses and spam their EDrags 0 skill 3 star
Th15 didnt suck or fail. If you have the skill or expirience to 3 star one, go for it. Its a lot better than spamming e drags. Watch how the pros attack or learn on your own. Thats just my opinion since ill be th15 in 3 days. Also, spell towers getting a nerf soon aswell as other defense so that could help
Could’ve just nerf the defences instead of releasing TH16 much earlier. I feel like Supercell didn’t want to admit mistakes and trying to just get the cash grab solution👎 Supercell certainly forgot about the word ‘rebalancing’
Poison spell from townhall is really deadly on troops especially when undersiege by towers, it incredibly slows movement and attack, that's why I always use eternal tome with rage on my wizard hero whenever the TH is going to be destroyed. So everything will run smooth
Great video. I think you have it all right. As a result of finally having a TH16. They will be addressing some of the issues of TH15 by nerfing several things to make it easier.
Making a easy game easier isnt the solution. When a game is so easy 3 stars feels unstatisfying when ur defenses and layout dont mean shit. A harder game makes things fun and coc in th15 isnt even that hard. People complaining that they dont know how to play the game after spending years on it is crazy to me
The problem is not the game being too hard. It’s the no skill dragon and e dragon spammers who haven’t bothered to learn anything new since th7 but who are so damn entitled that they want easy 3 stars from putting no effort into learning like it’s still th7
Average player here: Even outside of legend league where people dont have strong engineered pro bases, its still extremely hard to even get close to 3 stars with whatever army I used. Th15 needs to be nerfed hard
Th15's spell towers, monolith, and new troops are what brought to light many new strategies. Yes it might be a bit hard to get 3 stars often if you don't practice but that's just how the cookie crumbles (and logical). It's not the most hated town hall just one that you dislike because of learning difficulties.. . Not a pro player
Honestly, I was really excited to make it to Townhall 15 just because I really like the theme but I won’t be there for about six more months so I will never know the full frustration that a lot of players have gone through
Its one of thouse things that can go either way - too defensive and the game gets frustrating and unsatisfying, too offensive and it gets too easy and boring. I will say th15 was pretty defensive and there wasn't much in the way of very interesting attack stratagies or new troops. Titan was kinda underwelming and I never did see her used hardly at all.
i prefer coc being balanced around pro play, is boring to see it if everyone 3 stars all the time... I also want my attacks to feel rewarding, right now if i dont 3 stars, its just a fail
TH15 was what we were missing since the early days of TH11. The highest town hall with the strongest defences SHOULD be difficult to beat. I hate how many wars are decided by one 95+% fail. 3*ing a top level base should be an epic feat, that's when it's most rewarding. Nowadays it's just 3* or a miss. I remember the days watching TH9-11 wars where the TH10s would 2* all the 11s and 11s would dip triple the 10s because of the difficulty. Y'know, actual planning strategy. The rare moments where an 11v11 triple happened were some of the best moments of clash.
Th15 was the peak of Clash Of Clans Esports like even the High level players are getting an Average 85% 2 stars every single match and with no OP strats it was so fun to watch the esports scene at that time
I've been a TH15 for a few weeks now and was genuinely considering quitting the game. It's not fun anymore, it's just annoying. I'm not a pro player. I have no time, money or pacience to invest into becoming a pro player. It's baffling to me how they didn't factor their casual players (you know, the vast majority of their public) at all for this update.
However th16 now is extremely easy to 3 star if you have high level equipment and equally hard if you have bad equipment, this means that if you take a break from the game you cannot get anywhere close to max level attack unlike previous town halls before where power potions and hero potions can help a lot, th15 was so fun because there was not 10 different way to crush bases
After maxing th 15 I literally never played my account..I even optd out in most of wars.. it's boring asf..I remember when th 14 was the max th I enjoyed playing in wars and cwl after maxing out
My main issue with th 15 is that aside from meta strats everything else was so weak. Some troops needed some big buffs to be competitive. Specifically miners and valks
Really didn’t think th15 was that bad. I still 3 star 20-30% of the time on max 15s in clan war and I’m not amazing at the game. It basically just forces you to learn how to attack (which shouldn’t be hard to do if you’ve played enough to even be th15)
Who said Town hall 15 was bad... I like it. I was able to destroy every Townhall 15 max with any army. Those who said that TH 15 was bad, they literally has skill issues
I find that highly doubtful. You might get 3 stars here and there, but more than 20% attacks being 3 stars is something you certainly aren't achieving, considering that's pro level
the thing i hate the most is how quickly new th comes out. still rmb those days where people are actually given time to upgrade to th10? nowadays it feels like a new th comes out before i can barely upgrade anything
Personally, towards the ends of th15 I started loving it more because I ended up getting a LOT more skilled in attacking. Now with the th16 update, attacking seems too easy
Who says only 3 stars are good. Getting 2 stars and determining victory by looking at percentage sounds cool. I left the game for most of the time TH15 was around, and I came back in December 2023, 3 days before the TH16 update. I was excited, but now every single pro match is boring coz its almost always a tied perfect war. And even noobs can spam root riders and get their triples. Is this what the highest level in a game should look like? The game is heavily unbalanced right now. I liked TH12 and TH15, because it was hard to 3 star. Getting 3 stars showed that you were a good player. Triples don't mEan anything at TH16.
I just upgraded to th15 this year and I've been enjoying it. I use 7 freeze spells one poison and 3 rage spells and that pretty much puts a stop to those pesky defenses. Plus the new ice arrow, sheesh, those defenses are worried about me, lol. I only get one star or less when I decide. I'm coming for yer loot🏴☠️
I think they could fix Townhall 15, if we get a new hero that helps on the offensive side. I think a hero that reflects damage (as his ability) would be really cool
I remember when coc only has TH10 and all of the players didn't know the varieties of troop like queen charge before, we're just ok getting only one star lol, and now they're stressing themselves on these.
as annoying as it was for the avg players like us, the pro scene was so much more fun to watch. unlike the th14 where literally everyone was using LaLo, we got to witness so many different varieties of army comps as the meta for th15. definitely something to remember
Totally agree with you i also like Th15 compare to other Th's interms of varieties of stratergies rather than only lalo.
@@mohammedshuaib6311 exactly man
Not in world championship
@sebavinciyt4753 only normal players use Super archer blimp, in WC no one used it.
As an average player who loves watching the pro scene, I can totally agree with what you're saying. th14 became so boring to watch with the same queen charge/lalo strats every attack. As frustrating as it can be to have a Mac TH15 mirror..I love watching the pros do it.
As a th 8, I can safely say th 15 sucked
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As a th 9, I can safely say th 15 sucked
@@crowwithnas a th15 i genuinely say th9 was the most fun during clan wars back in the days when th11 was the highest th, th9 required so much skill back then
As a th 12 can i say th 15 sucked?
@@youtubeyo142yeah I remember 😢
rage spell tower was the most infuriating part of town hall 15. for invisibility and poison spell you can trigger them with one troop and wait it out, but for rage you have to either spend a freeze or have to deal with double damage defenses for 15 seconds. thank goodness supercell noticed this and are nerfing the rage tower for town hall 16
I kinda disagree I think it’s the lack of offensive upgrades and lack of time
@@aldoclasher7890nah. Rage tower sure needed a nerf
And it only took them a year. How considerate!
@@weslleyfj🤣🤣🤣 right
@@weslleyfj🤣🤣🤣 right
I like that it’s not easy to get three stars, but I hate how little time we get. There are so many buildings and the amount of time per attack hasn’t adjusted since the mid 2010s
They added an extra 30 seconds and then removed it because it made 3* way too easy apparently.
We def need scaling timers for each thl,espically from thl 13 to 15
@@GodlyDrayeah but that was when th11 was added. we´ve gotten a lot more buildings since then
They don't adjust it because they don't need to, if you time fail, you messed up your attack or your going against someone higher level than you. They actually didn't add any extra buildings in the TH15 update because they removed 3 barracks thus cancelling out them adding 3 more buildings.
Still, I personally would rather fail because I misplayed against the defences rather than failing on time
I liked the townhall 15 because you can't get 3 stars easily. 😂😂 Highest townhall is supposed to be the hardest then all of others.
Facts, it also helped us improve at attacking. And ngl it made 3stars extra satisfying lol
Yes
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most avg players on th15 are the ones that spend money
they wanna cry and whine about having it hard?
what about us f2p players? we wanna use our brains in attacks and since we cant spend money, we wont be at the highest level and so it hurts me to see people spam witches / yetibats to 3-star from th10 to th14.
its good that th15 was hard
@@namishjain9238 Spm is good becuase its easy and saves time on attacks. Queen walks and other strats take a bit more time and some of us just want to progress, and even if you are “f2p”, it still takes time and time is money.
Clash of clans updates should never be inspired from pro players because 90% players do not play clash for 16 straight hours a day... Th15 is a example of it
this exact same thing keeps being said about the games i enjoy playing competitively. what the fuck am i supposed to do if i like a challenge?
@@profcalculus474 if its a causal game mostly played by causal players then obviously the game devs would cater to that audience
@@profcalculus474do hero like stuff and do challenges
@@pika2004 sure but does that mean it's ideal to tell their most dedicated players to go fuck themselves?
Nah man, even as a casual myself, there is no denying that a game like Clash of Clans absolutely lives off the competitive aspect to a certain aspect.
Creating an extra step that is specifically catered towards pro players is something that keeps alot of games waaay more alive, since the ceiling is always raised for a casual player to step up and learn some more. That also applies for CoC and I hope it stays that way with TH16
As a th14 I can say that th15 was amazing
If you don't agree *SKILL ISSUE* 🗿🍹
as a th12 I can proudly say I disagree
As a TH15 I can say that I passed the full TH14 maxing period and TH15 is amazing!
I’m a maxed TH15 and get 50% 3 star rate in war.
I don’t see any problem with TH15 vs TH15 attacks unless you are using spam army 99% of the time.
The biggest issue I hate the most is the Dark Elixir upgrades for heroes and pets..It’s brutal if you want to upgrade 3 heroes and a pet you need -/+ 1 million DE.
Now I have to do it again with TH16…just kill me please.🤮
@@kass1142 yeah that sucks at th14 also
Exactly!!
He said its hard for casual th15 players would have a hard time understanding the mechanics, but if ur th15 I dont think that it would be that difficult
Town Hall 15 was one of the best town halls in a while. Multiple new defenses and things to play with that were fresh and made the game different. Building bases was rewarding and so was learning how to attack, everything has a counter. Terrible take imo
Edit - Nobody seems to remember town hall 10…much much harder back in the day
It's opposite for me. I don't like th 15 because it's easy to 3 star for the highest townhall level
That's like the reason people hate it
I don't play anymore but at the start th8 and th10 were really annoying townhalls.
People would suggest skipping them entirely because,,
Th 8 upgrades took too long. I don't know how it is now but maxing th8 took more time than maxing th9.
Th10 inferno were hell because they negated heal spell. Freeze spells took too much housing space.
And th9 and th11 being so good didn't do them any favor. People would skip for heros because queen and grand warden were so worth it.
Th11 was the last time I actually enjoyed playing coc. I mean th11 was not easy but bowler were so fun to play. When bowler is at the centre of base, you put rage and warden ability, it was so fun to watch the destruction.
Even after th11 became max th level, I could 3 star much more th11 base with th11 armies than th10 base with th10 armies. Th10 became bearable when they nerfed inferno.
No it wasn't, it sucked for average players
I agree that TH15 was great. I like that it had a lot of skill gap and you actually had to be good to pull off 3 stars. I guess a lot of the community just wants to spam edrags and never learn any of the games mechanics. I hope that TH16 is just as hard as 15 because it's nice to actually be rewarded for being a good player
So basiclly its a skill issue
Sounds like it
Fax 🗿
I think the hate towards th15 is not justified. Its a strategy game, and if you don’t have a good strategy or fun playing with strategies and learning them, then why playing clash in the first place? Its like eating something you’re allergic to even tho you know you shouldn’t eat it, and you still blame it on the food. How does that make any sense? If you don’t like to be challenged, then go play cookie clicker or sumthin like that
Bro has beef with th 15 💀
Everyone does
fr man, it's a cool town hall, glad to see noobs getting triggered from it bcz they can't spam e drags here
@ssvvgghammer7642 bro when I was bigger into this game back before the multi inferno nerf getting a 1 star 11v11 was normal pros and non pros... what makes Th15 seem hard are too things, the easiness of th14 and 13, the proliferation of relatively good bases via link sharing on youtube and the rage towers. COC is still much easier than it used to be, th11s would fail dips on th10s alot back then, and the bases werent even good...
I played thr game since th9 was max.. of all the ths 15 really was the worst of them all.. it was made for the pro scene in mind
@@voidsofold exactly
More difficult town halls are the way to go imo. Yes COC is more about attacking which should mean if it was too ez it gets very boring really quick. If you actually plan attacks decently well you aren't gonna struggle to wipe most bases. Sadly tho a lot of players seem to prefer using the same spam army against every base and expect to 3 star with zero planning. Town hall 15 wasn't a failure at all it recaptured the spirit of the game and brought back the competitive E-sports scene and gave players that actually want to enjoy attacking a good challenge.
It really just sounds like a huge skill issue to me ngl.
This! I totally agree! If you want to be a brainless clasher that's fine but don't complain that the game doesn't cater to your every need. There are plenty of easy town halls where you can mindlessly get three stars so why should good players not get our town hall as well. We only get one or two while the rest of them are easy. If you don't want to have to put thought into the game then just stay at town hall 13. Heck town hall 15 now is going to become easy as well when 16 drops. I'm so tired of bad players trying to ruin games for the rest of us.
Yeah but they went a little overboard considering you had even pro player 0 starring for the first couple months of it’s release. Basically while I agree there should be challenge, seems like th15 was just a little over tuned. Because face it, if a more casualish player practices their ass off yet still struggles to triple a lot, they might stop being incentivized to play the game. And well, you want people playing the game.
@@AndrewJackson77I think they should install one spell tower or two spell towers with no monoliths,that would balance the defences
Townhall 13 was a good balance id say. Like a medium hard difficulty. Except when blizzard was initally released.
Thank you
I think th15 just needed a more balancing. It should be more difficult than 14 but they went crazy with it
Biggest issue was definitely the rage tower. The rage effect radius was so large that buildings could barely be in the circle and still get raged. And the fact the rage lasted for 18 seconds was very long.
The monolith, poison, and invisible towers were figured out within weeks. But for the rage your best bet would be to zap quake the tower or freeze the defenses so they couldn't take advantage of the spell.
Skill issue the game became more fun because it was harder to 3 star other town halls arent satisfying to 3 star if u play a game for years to get to th15 u better not complain about a easy game getting slightly hardee
Townhall 14 pissed me off, and 15 pissed me off even more. Every fucking time the poison spell fucks up my troops.
Skill issue
Regardless how tough th15 was, it made us better attackers. So I feel like it was a good experience since I/we learned how to plan attacks accordingly and adjust during those “uh-oh” moments.
I’m glad I got to experience th15 at its toughest, since it helped sky rocket my attack skill.
I like having th15 being much difficult than other town halls as it encourage players to plan attacks more rather than relying on spam and hoping for a three star.
Only problem is that the defenses are a bit too strong for the average coc player to handle especially the rage spell tower
You cant plan anything in the 30 sec scout no army change in multiplayer.
@@gracefulshi2106then skip it ?
@miseryville can't in legends league
@@Off_tomuch what attack strat do you use ? I think the game is actually pretty balanced you’re supposed to be a elite player if you’re in legends league hence the title I think it’s good that not everyone is always 3 staring every attack
@@miseryville attacks for th15 isn’t just spam and get 3 star. Also, Spam is the only thing that can work in most bases. For example, e drag spam is good and versatile for any compact base. Other more advanced attacks which can be planned out ahead on time in clan wars may not be versatile enough to use in multiplayer. This is a problem because only planned out attack strategies will get you a 3 star in th15.
I didn't have too hard of a time getting 3 stars at th15, but my biggest gripe is that the townhall lasers and bomb were just so powerful it kind of made it entirely unappealing to go for it at all. Watching a lot of my 1 star defenses, this tends to be the case. If you set your base up with just a decent layout, the TH does such a huge portion of the work
When TH15 released...It made me return...Than they kept nerfing him again and again
I still prefer th15’s art design over th16😢
Yes me too th 13 and th 15 looks good asf
Basically skill issues
Yah exactly lol
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Fr. I loved th15
I wonder why 99 percent of player used electro in war as well as in loot, They never use ground troops
Saying that th15 was a failure just because it was too hard for you is one of the funniest arguments I’ve ever head
Fully agree with you, just because guys like him crying that th15 was hard supersell made th16 easy as i see in sneak peaks. Now they will spam edrags or rootriders on every base and will get triples, and then they will name th16 "the best townhall of all time"...clowns. Now i have 43 wins in a row in my clan that me and my teammates do by hard skill and good attacks at th15, 14, 13. And i now that the winstreak will end right when some stupid idiots will spam edrags at th16😢
yeah this channel is like that lol, just whining for everything new
Look at these elitists you guys go to to a tea party every sunday or what 😂
@@addictedweeblet I’m sorry the game was ruined for you because it wasn’t easy enough🙁
The argument that th15 was too frustrating for the average player to play at and therefore threatening a massive player base of the game sounds like a stupid argument? You’re daft
Strong bases needs high level of strategy to beat this, if you complain why it is OP then change your strategy not change the mechanics of the base just to favor your old strategy to beat the base with it. Even I am not good at using my own strategy, I don't complain for those bases to be that strong since it is made to be strong and it can be counter with the use of our brain, effective strategy for that base and any more, many of them were skill issue and needs to be trained.
Nahthe th15 spells were just too unpredictable especially in legends league, u never know what to expect and even if u do, u are not sure how to go around it, each spell was insanely broken especially the rage back then, now since root riders came everything became easier
Clash of clans isn't a strategy game. If it was maybe the AI wouldn't suck
@@minors290 So it's the AI issue now? Maybe you should learn, after 15 town halls of progression, how to manage your damn troops and control their movement?
@@notyourfox blud has never played builder base 💀💀
Not gonna lie th15 was pretty hard for the first 6 or so months but as Legend players it forced me to get better and try new strategies. I went from a PB of 5890 (made during the th13 era) to a 6200 PB this September. Also I went from having an avarege finishing post of 6000 in the world to 3000 with a new best finishing place of 2234 in the world.
Th15 is/was the th for everyone to improve or to remain avarage or even worse shit.
man ur right same here
@@sarthakkadam7615 i have never been maxed because i left the game from time to time to focus on studies (mostly parental pressure) and so it pains me to see people spam and 3 star because i like to plan for my war attacks
it takes the competitiveness out of the game and at that stage, what's the point?
@@namishjain9238 how are you saying it takes the competitiveness out?
@@soralee1910normal gameplay is just shit below th14. Flame flinger does the work for you it could basically clear half of the base on its own at least with the assist of gw walk triggering traps, teslas, also taking fire from mortars, xbows. For different friendly war tournaments that communities do may have rules which could make even th10 more interesting, like no siege machine allowed or any troop or troop level above th10
It was the most hated because it is the first ever most difficult TH of all time, the "not all strategy will work on all bases" really proved by the TH15 era, but I'm starting to miss the challenge after the release of TH16, Im shitting alot on bases now, before TH16 I cant get pass through 5700+, now Im sitting at 6300+, I actually appreciated TH15 now..
The issue I think is the reward system which has been the same thing since the release of the game. Its all about 3 stars and when you dont get it, you "suck".
And with th16 i hope something offense wise comes to the game. Like 5 hero levels aren't enough and I really don't wanna spend 9 hours to learn base layout with 200 different troops. I quit the legend league after 6 months of th15 and just played casual with superdragons at 5000-5200. And now i don't care about trophies anymore
Heros are getting nerfed and maxed level heros are actually gonna be weaker than the current maxed heros
@@DarkJoker11892what????? What is sc smoking??? Heros are the only way we get three stars
@@randomness4989 no idea but if you want to see for yourself check the update section under the hero levels and compare the stats to current stats
@@randomness4989 so apparently stats were nerfed because of the new hero equipment that they released
@@DarkJoker11892heros are significantly stronger then before because of equipments. They just shifted the power from hero levels to equipments a little bit
Yeah, th15 went out of control, nothing was balanced correctly. Nice to see the nerf on rage spell and TH poison, hope they got the defense ratios correctly or the new troop levels won't be all that, but sad to see how broken SF is going to be, infinite invis will be nerfed for sure.
Plus still yet to see new troop
SF?
Cry
Unfortunately, the problem is that the gap between a theoretically best defense and a copy-pasted defense, VS a theoretically best attack and a follow a guide attack, is too vastly different. So pro players will always have only slightly better bases than the average player, but have much better attacks
Yeah, the link for bases kind of destroyed the game in that way. In the past a casual player attacked a casual base and was therefore able to three star easily. This has changed now :(
@@NLX_n999if u play a game for years u better be decent 3 stars should be earned why u complaining. If 3 star is easy shits boring. Learn the game that u invested years in smh. Coc is easy as hell and people here crying about the game rewarding skill based play.
@@slurp3194 Well, now they just made the game easier in general. So pro players and casuals have to hit the same bases. So if casuals can triple these bases pro players almost don't fail. That would not have been the case if casuals kept their casual bases
Truthfully, I think it should be hard to 3 star for the casual. If everyone 3 stars it’s not an interesting dynamic so it’s fun to see people to struggle to get a 3 so it’s actually exciting
Me being TH12:
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Honestly back in my day in champion league there were attacks with 0 stars. A 3 star back then means you forgot your inferno tower outside the walls idk how anything but a 3 star is an unacceptable attack nowadays its stupid
I don't think 3 star attacks should be as common as they are. 1 star should be considered a win by the player, as it is considered by the game. 2 stars should be considered very good and 3 stars should be exceptional. These days it is impossible to get 0 stars if you are actually trying. You SHOULD be able to lose offensive battles.
I thought og th15 was pretty solid. It made ur upgrades feel like they were worth something and made attacking harder and more engaging. It took out a lot of troop spamming and opened the door for a more strategy based game which is what COC is supposed to be
absolutely a skill issue, if you have played the game long enough to even reach th15 you should be good enough by now casual or not lmao
As weird as TH15 is, TH14 was hideous, the walls are so ugly and the progression is soooo slow. TH15 feels fast paced and has fun troops. I’m loving playing it again
Literally just skill issues is why...
For good reason ofc, th 15 was disgustingly hard at the start. I really like the monolith, and the spell tower is a *very* cool addition, but man, did they screw us so hard. Pro players should have ways to make the game harder, but that 99% of us really didn't thrive like they did.
Funny, in CWL we faced a rushed TH15 but with maxed key defenses (inferno, eagle, rage tower, scattershot). I attacked it (I have maxed Th13 troops except heroes). I was only barely able to get a 2 star even at so rush because of the rage tower and monolith like holy shit, I thought it was gonna be easy since it was rushed TH15 but no.
As a th11 player I feel like it’s the opposite problem doesn’t matter what base design you have all they have to do is lightning your air defenses and spam their EDrags 0 skill 3 star
Meanwhile poor TH12 and TH13 had to face TH15 in cwl 😂
Th15 didnt suck or fail. If you have the skill or expirience to 3 star one, go for it. Its a lot better than spamming e drags. Watch how the pros attack or learn on your own. Thats just my opinion since ill be th15 in 3 days. Also, spell towers getting a nerf soon aswell as other defense so that could help
This video is just basicly saying you suck at attacking a higher townhall level
I left the game when th15 came out and came back when th16 came out.
THE COST FOR UPGRADE AND TIME literally 95% of max storage capacity will be used for one single wiz arch or inf towrr upgrade
Could’ve just nerf the defences instead of releasing TH16 much earlier.
I feel like Supercell didn’t want to admit mistakes and trying to just get the cash grab solution👎
Supercell certainly forgot about the word ‘rebalancing’
They lost like 10 million players in the last year so I think this is them trying to get them back
New siege?
New hero?
New pet?
Nerf the def?
wouldn’t it be a much better solution than rushing for TH16?
@@pineapplesaucedaboss10 million? Where does it state this and dang
I agree, TH16 is 4 months early it seems, I was surprised when I saw the hammer jam, they should have properly rebalanced TH15 first.
@@pineapplesaucedaboss actually, it’s 20 million. Went from about 100 million daily users down to 80 million. Revenue cut by about half too
Poison spell from townhall is really deadly on troops especially when undersiege by towers, it incredibly slows movement and attack, that's why I always use eternal tome with rage on my wizard hero whenever the TH is going to be destroyed. So everything will run smooth
It's a shame because TH15 bldgs looks the coolest to me
Saaaame dude and I'm not even th15
Short answer: TH 15 didn't add any heroes.
Town Hall 16 has Giga-Inferno again.....
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Great video. I think you have it all right. As a result of finally having a TH16. They will be addressing some of the issues of TH15 by nerfing several things to make it easier.
Making a easy game easier isnt the solution. When a game is so easy 3 stars feels unstatisfying when ur defenses and layout dont mean shit. A harder game makes things fun and coc in th15 isnt even that hard. People complaining that they dont know how to play the game after spending years on it is crazy to me
But I like the whole purple theme 😢
The problem is not the game being too hard. It’s the no skill dragon and e dragon spammers who haven’t bothered to learn anything new since th7 but who are so damn entitled that they want easy 3 stars from putting no effort into learning like it’s still th7
people forget that almost every base in the game is designed by pros these days. Of course they'll be hard to 3 star
Your channel is gold man 👌🏽👏🏽
Average player here: Even outside of legend league where people dont have strong engineered pro bases, its still extremely hard to even get close to 3 stars with whatever army I used. Th15 needs to be nerfed hard
so u basically dont like th 15 beacause the highest level in a game that took +4 years for maxing it is too hard for "casual" people
As a near max town hall 13, I don't think I have to worry about these problems soon 😅
I’m at Th15 and I can count the amount of 3 stars I ever got. Th15 is for pro players bro💀
Coc was way good back when townhall didn't have defence and it would not take so many days for a defence upgrade
Th15's spell towers, monolith, and new troops are what brought to light many new strategies. Yes it might be a bit hard to get 3 stars often if you don't practice but that's just how the cookie crumbles (and logical). It's not the most hated town hall just one that you dislike because of learning difficulties..
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Not a pro player
Honestly, I was really excited to make it to Townhall 15 just because I really like the theme but I won’t be there for about six more months so I will never know the full frustration that a lot of players have gone through
Th13 in Conner:- "Do I have to introduce myself?"
I mean, the good side of this is that braindead e-drags spam won't be as efficient
Its one of thouse things that can go either way - too defensive and the game gets frustrating and unsatisfying, too offensive and it gets too easy and boring.
I will say th15 was pretty defensive and there wasn't much in the way of very interesting attack stratagies or new troops. Titan was kinda underwelming and I never did see her used hardly at all.
i prefer coc being balanced around pro play, is boring to see it if everyone 3 stars all the time... I also want my attacks to feel rewarding, right now if i dont 3 stars, its just a fail
TH15 was what we were missing since the early days of TH11. The highest town hall with the strongest defences SHOULD be difficult to beat.
I hate how many wars are decided by one 95+% fail.
3*ing a top level base should be an epic feat, that's when it's most rewarding. Nowadays it's just 3* or a miss.
I remember the days watching TH9-11 wars where the TH10s would 2* all the 11s and 11s would dip triple the 10s because of the difficulty. Y'know, actual planning strategy.
The rare moments where an 11v11 triple happened were some of the best moments of clash.
Th15 was the peak of Clash Of Clans Esports like even the High level players are getting an Average 85% 2 stars every single match and with no OP strats it was so fun to watch the esports scene at that time
I've been a TH15 for a few weeks now and was genuinely considering quitting the game. It's not fun anymore, it's just annoying.
I'm not a pro player. I have no time, money or pacience to invest into becoming a pro player.
It's baffling to me how they didn't factor their casual players (you know, the vast majority of their public) at all for this update.
As a rushed thl15,i would suggest edrag spamming with 5 rages 1 freeze and funel sides,then siege the core with log launcher,easiest 2 starz
I don't get why people get mad at a Town Hall being hard to 3 stars af. You guys probably never experience a Clash of Clans before Electro Dragon.
However th16 now is extremely easy to 3 star if you have high level equipment and equally hard if you have bad equipment, this means that if you take a break from the game you cannot get anywhere close to max level attack unlike previous town halls before where power potions and hero potions can help a lot, th15 was so fun because there was not 10 different way to crush bases
still better than 16... it was challengig it was good...but now equipement made game easy and ruined it
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its ironic you say the players don't have time to learn the new stuff. Lol, if they have time to get to th15, they have time to learn
The root riders made Townhall 15 a lot more enjoyable to be honest
After maxing th 15 I literally never played my account..I even optd out in most of wars.. it's boring asf..I remember when th 14 was the max th I enjoyed playing in wars and cwl after maxing out
Now its Th17 where they took our damn eagle
As a current TH15 I am loving it right now. Except the Monolith. I absolutely hate that thing
My main issue with th 15 is that aside from meta strats everything else was so weak. Some troops needed some big buffs to be competitive. Specifically miners and valks
Really didn’t think th15 was that bad. I still 3 star 20-30% of the time on max 15s in clan war and I’m not amazing at the game. It basically just forces you to learn how to attack (which shouldn’t be hard to do if you’ve played enough to even be th15)
Bruh skill issue, getting a 3 star just feels more impressive now as a th15
Ever since hero equipment and root riders anything is easy to 3 star
Who said Town hall 15 was bad... I like it. I was able to destroy every Townhall 15 max with any army. Those who said that TH 15 was bad, they literally has skill issues
I find that highly doubtful. You might get 3 stars here and there, but more than 20% attacks being 3 stars is something you certainly aren't achieving, considering that's pro level
the thing i hate the most is how quickly new th comes out. still rmb those days where people are actually given time to upgrade to th10? nowadays it feels like a new th comes out before i can barely upgrade anything
normal players: th15 is so hard it's unfair
klaus: barch op asf * proceeds to get 3 star *
Personally, towards the ends of th15 I started loving it more because I ended up getting a LOT more skilled in attacking. Now with the th16 update, attacking seems too easy
In multiplayer for th15, it is impossible to get a 3 star unless you get lucky. The 30 sec no army change scout is just not enough.
Who says only 3 stars are good. Getting 2 stars and determining victory by looking at percentage sounds cool. I left the game for most of the time TH15 was around, and I came back in December 2023, 3 days before the TH16 update. I was excited, but now every single pro match is boring coz its almost always a tied perfect war. And even noobs can spam root riders and get their triples.
Is this what the highest level in a game should look like? The game is heavily unbalanced right now.
I liked TH12 and TH15, because it was hard to 3 star. Getting 3 stars showed that you were a good player. Triples don't mEan anything at TH16.
TH15 might be the most hated but the overall design is very nice to look at. Unlike TH16 which is the shittiest
2:09 if u are at the state of unlocking those spell towers u aint a casual anymore
I think 3 stars should be very difficult because even 1 star is already a win so i think th15 was way better than 14
me who only uses sneaky goblins for the past 4yrs
I just upgraded to th15 this year and I've been enjoying it. I use 7 freeze spells one poison and 3 rage spells and that pretty much puts a stop to those pesky defenses. Plus the new ice arrow, sheesh, those defenses are worried about me, lol. I only get one star or less when I decide. I'm coming for yer loot🏴☠️
As a th15, my monolith combined with rage spell near scattershot will defend against anything
Th16 looks so offensively unbalanced it’s not even funny 😂
I think they could fix Townhall 15, if we get a new hero that helps on the offensive side. I think a hero that reflects damage (as his ability) would be really cool
As a th11 I feel like casual player th15 is an oxymoron
Not really, just harder than it should have been for regular players thats it
It was hard until they introduced root riders and OG spell
I remember when coc only has TH10 and all of the players didn't know the varieties of troop like queen charge before, we're just ok getting only one star lol, and now they're stressing themselves on these.
As a th13 I think th15 was bad due to how expensive everything is and upgrade times but I like how th15 got to change attack strategies