FAKE Makita Charger & Blower VS REAL Makita Charger & Blower | 18v Dual Charger Review
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Ion over 30 Makita batteries. Some of my original 1.5 Makita batteries are from 2005 and still work and charge. I have bought four aftermarket Makita batteries. All four work good for about the first year after that they all petered out pretty quickly. My factory original Makita batteries charged for years. I have some original batteries over 15 years old that still charged and work. Cheap batteries aren't good good batteries are not cheap.✌️
Wow. Your depth of research is unparalleled. My internet searches inevitably bring me to your channel again and again. 🙏
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@Tools & Stuff. Thanks for the video. I like the design of the Makita rapid chargers. Makita's dual bay charger simultaneously charges both batteries (not sequential) and fan cooling for both the charger and more importantly the batteries when rapid charging to keep the batteries cool (heat is what shortens the life of batteries). I don't know why Dewalt or Milwaukee or any other company doesn't offer rapid chargers with the same features.
What I learned only a few months ago from another channel is that I can set different tunes for each side of the Makita dual bay chargers. With you showing us the guts of the Makita dual bay charger, that makes sense. There are two separate charge circuits inside.
Hope you and your family stay safe and well.
I don’t know but I just love this guy and his channel. 😁
I have 5 of the dual makita. They are basically free when you get some combos. They are great - independent fans for each battery too. I wish it had a 50% charge feature for battery storage.
They are not basically free. The lowest they have ever gone is about 34$ each in certain combo kits
@@alejandrocuellar15 Glad you're tracking every Makita product price at every store in the world since the inception of this charger. This is awesome news! I'm looking for the best price on the 36v track saw and tracks. What's the best price?
@@mikemorgan5015 Im Certainly no expert, but I do have an abundance of time while I work haha. I'm always looking at the prices everyday, because these are tools I want. We are seeing price drops on certain makita kits, and I feel its only one certain tools, its not coincidence the drill kits have gone lower then they ever have (of course only when they want them to) they need to lower the prices to sell the new 40 volts at a higher price. As for the track saw, I recommended getting the 55 in track and the updated version of there track saw. If you check the model numbers theres two versions. The often push the 1st version with the smaller track for the price of 550$. Don't bite. They have had kits for the track saw where you get 4 batteries , clamps, 55 in tracks and probably the 1st version of the track saw but its better then the current deal they have. 2 batteries , the older track saw and a smaller track. They often don't sell the latest version of their tools in kits, its usually too only. (The track saw has gone lower then 500 but not too much and again it's the 1st in those kits, the tool only probably a better option, and then getting the track size you want, they also make an 8ft track for long sheets )Its hard waiting for deals when you need a tool, but patients can save you money in the end. For example the 10 inch makita miter saw with 2 batteries have gone down to 300$-$420 in home depot before.(again only when they want to) They are asking 600$ plus online rn. I also shop on other websites, ohio tools, acme, and all other authorized dealers. They sometimes do good deals by giving you extra batteries. Which lowers the cost per battery. In the kits you have to include the price of the charger and bags as well, because sometimes you are are. Just paying for it anyways. It all marketing.
@@alejandrocuellar15 Your partial reply showed up in notifications, but not all of it and it doesn't show up here. I got what you're saying, just ribbing you a little. It's been my experience that the major tool companies are pretty strict about specials and minimum advertised pricing. So the best deal at Home Depot, for instance, is going to be the same best price/promotion across all their authorized sellers. So it's really not that hard to track if you have the time and know what you're looking for.
LOVE that storage charge idea! I'm quite certain that will be the downfall of my extensive battery inventory. I keep them topped off all the time. No issues in 5 years, but it's only a matter of time, I fear. I can't help it!
I sometimes think that the high amp (fast) chargers are killing our batteries faster than normal wear and tear. The large cap. batteries not as bad but fast charging a 2ah pack is way over charged. i would like to be able to set it to 1 amp charge per 1000mah capacity. Doing this with my lipo packs for my R/C hobby has proven to keep them running hard after many charge cycles. Heat on high discharge remains nearly identical. Great breakdown and thank you for showing the guts of both products. Tearing things open is so fun!!!
I'm with you. 1C charge is a healthy rate... Some cells prefer even lower 0.5C rate. Higher than 1C is fast charging, just because you can, doesn't mean you should. I'm kind of disappointed Makita doesn't just have a fast charge button and let the consumer decide if they want to cook their batteries or go for longevity.
@@FelixRisingOriginal That would make too much sense. But selling batteries is where the money is. It seems that Makita's 18v line always comes with a fast charger but the 12v line comes with a "slow" charger.
Cheaper kits usually come with slow chargers and more professional tools come with fast chargers in both 12v, 18v and 40v.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL Guess I told on myself for getting the cheap 12v Makita set. 😂😂. Great point nevertheless. I do recall my old white and black Makita 18v coming with same fast charger as my new brushless 18v Makita set. Does Makita still have an 18v slow charger? Thanks T&S
@@jeremybaity7002 Yes they have slow single and dual chargers in 18v and 40v.
Except for the charging speed etc. It would be interesting to see if it fulfills the EMC regulations, several of the coils/transformers in the Makita is used to filter out emission out on the grid (and radio) that could disurb other equipmet.
Wonder if you directed a fan into the open case and over the batteries, would it charge faster? Don't think I'd spend much time or effort on retrofitting fans, but an quick bench test with a shop fan would be interesting, I think. When the ambient temps are up, I point a fan at my Milwaukee Rapid chargers. The batteries come off much cooler.
the knockoff charger charges bricked batteries that the makita charger refuses to charge
Good to know 👍
Battery charging systems are the number one cause of house fires when your Makita charger refuses to charge the battery it's because there is a chance of a fire. FYI. Is it really worth burning your house down to charge a BS battery on some knockoff charger?
I bought a renewed Makita Dual Rapid Charger for $44, works great!
At least you have a solid two USB port phone charger, who will newer be lost in your room.))))
I was expecting the new 40v Makita charger to have a display screen that shows in percentage the battery charging. There are some Chinese 18v chargers that do that... don't know if they're good..
DC18SH is out now, i think it might be a slow dual charger instead of fast possibly or maybe it can only charge 1 at a time, the description isn't clear. No USB charging port on the new model.
These Makita chargers are brilliant. They charge super fast and blow air through the battery to keep it cool. Brilliant design
7:46 - Dual wield for the win!
The usb ports are there so you can plug in usb fans to cool the batteries
What is the makita slow charger indside compared to this? The makita slow charger dont have a fan and no song
the amps may be different because of a heavy transformer in the makita and a switching power supply in the chinesium
Kinda weird that the makita chargers play music when the batteries are done charging. A beep or a green light I feel would be better unless you like musical chargers.
You can change it. Just put battery in and out in 1 sec. Than u change the sound.
Request for another comparison video:
DC18RD vs. slow DC18SH
Makita is now even recognized by VCG guys as the 18v King ! I have used fake Makita batteries and while they work the lifetime is not good compared to real batteries (same with Dewalt and Milwaukee). I guess the Chinese stuff would be ok if short on money or for low drain tools like Makitas lights?
Good video - well presented.
To the point with humour too.I'm off to see your other offerings.
Wondering do the knock off chargers damage or
shorten battery life
Loving the socks and the sandals 🩴
I think if you're working in a professional environment on a job site where time is money, then the Makita charger is the way to go but if it's for home use then why not go with the knock off and save a ton of money. I did, I have the exact same knock off and it's serving me just fine.
I feel safer with the real charger. I don't exactly know why, but I figure less fire risk.
How much stock do you put into slow charging being healthier for the battery?
I wonder what the charge time would ne with the knock off batteries on the real charger
Can you charge fake battery with oroginal Makita charger ?
Wow I was amazed at how much there actually is in the makita charger. It's jam packed! I was wondering why they make it so huge. I wonder how other brands like dewalt/milwakee are able to make their double chargers so much smaller than the makita
They don't have fans in them and they are not as powerful.
The first time I picked up the 2 slot Makita rapid charger I was amazed how heavy it was.
Is the knock off leaf blower any good? I’ll guess I’ll look and see if you reviewed it…
Have you met any hobbits?
Cheers
Hey! Looks like that dual "phone charger" can also be mounted vertically, unlike, per usual, the Makita. Mmm, I'm still not sold on the knockoff, though. 🤣👍
I just bought two Chinese 3ah batteries and charger (single slot). It claims to be a 9 amp charger and it does charge them fast to be fair. There's no fan but the batteries only feel slightly warm after a charge. Maybe small capacity batteries don't need it? It was all so cheap it was worth a punt for my refurbed tools.
Thanks that was helpful
Slow charging is better for your battery health as it means your battery doesn't get as hot while charging. So the slower charging could actually be an advantage if you don't NEED fast battery turn around. BUT what matters is battery temp while charging, so which battery gets warmer whilst charging? Might be that the fan means the rapid charger doesn't get warmer AND is faster.
Thx for this,
Beside electronics. Pro tool chargers are designed to withstand mechanical abuse prone to job sites, like fall from heights, extreme temperatures (while houses are built there is no conditioned temperature around). Hence some design effort are put for rigidity and stiffness of elements mounting and weatherproofing open elements. Of course, knock offs would not have all this, and would crack at the first fall off of the bench.
I looked at getting the quad charger, but was disappointed to find out it still only charges two at a time, and is more than twice the price of the dual chargers. BTW banggood make a quad as well!
Makita and generic replacements work the same for me, save me quite a few $
Fast charging does not mean better, it would be necessary to check after charging to what voltage values the batteries have been charged...
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sadly the dual makitas no longer have USBs. weird cost cutting measure? not sure. but a little bit annoying
as a PRO, the makita Rapid original is probably worth it. For me as a HOMEgamer, I'm perfectly happy with my single slot makita replica charger i paid 20 usd for.
Is there anything special you need to do to get the songs? I have the dual charger and since today the 40V single speed charger and I can't seem to get the sounds you have in your videos.
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The oversized heat shrink that has not actually been shrunk with heat has got to be the premiere physical represenation of a shit eating grin.
A good advice that someone here mentioned: Disassemble the battery charger and check for yourself if it works as expected. Used a battery adapter and it cooked my battery. Fortunately the Milwaukee ones are pretty durable.
What kind of adapter did you use? You mean a current transformer?
It's nice to have a high ah charger for speed. But for battery life, it's better with less ah. I am waiting for a single battery Fake Makita charger from Aliexpress at $25. Cheap price, but if it works OK i'l be happy with it. Only using my Makita drill and an angle grinder in my home. DIY repairs and so. I have a couple of 9ah and a 5ah battery i hope the charger will handle. Your original double Makita charger looks nice. Thank you for your video.
I'm guessing you down-rated the knockoff because it changed slower. Slower charging is a good thing for Li-Ion batteries. I have a 4A, a 2A, and a 1.5A charger that I got with DeWalt tools, but I use only the 1.5A.
And why is it bad to charge fast... because of heat. Makita chargers have great fans in them that keep the batteries cool. Dewalt chargers are awful and get way too hot. Milwaukee chargers are also awful. Hikoki and Makita have always had fans in their rapid lithium chargers.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL My little DeWalt 1.5 A barely gets warm. Takes longer to change, but kinder to your batteries. Also, DeWalt only charges to 20V, or 4v per cell. Others charge all the way to 4.2V per cell, a recipe for early failure.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL I agree that the DeWalt fast chargers are bad. That's why I keep them stashed and use only my slow DeWalt chargers. My batteries get barely warm, some of my packs are over 5 years old and still going strong.
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The fan actually reduces charging time in half
The fans are probably using the other remaining amps of power.
I won't consider ANY of the knockoff makita stuff.
Does anyone know if the fast charger reduces the lifespan of the batteries or it works quite well? I mean the original..
Slow charger are healthier for any battery.
Perhaps you should send that fake Makita charger to Big Clive from Scotland for a bit of fun. I suggest you try Big Clive anyway you might like his approach, He does like debunking fakes.
USB port there is something that shouldn't be there. Except maybe if it supports 100W output.
I am about to get the fake charger because I just spent $185 on the TD002, $180 on a 4.0AH battery, and now i need to buy a $122 charger??? Why is it so damn expensive?
You would have been better off getting a kit and then adding the TD002G because batteries and chargers are much cheaper in kits. I wouldn't get a fake 40v Charger if I were you, it'll end up costing you more in the long run... not that I've even seen a fake 40v charger yet...
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Now fake version 6A available
At least it will work on my frozen sasquatch planet!!!
none of mine makita chargers have music only a beep
You have slow chargers then.
charging them slower is actually better for the battery overall life, i think its best to have both chargers, one for night charging and other for i need to keep drilling all day long, those 2 usb ports are actually for usb fans(bought separately) and aim the fans at the charging batteries.
What good is blowing a fan at the battery? The makita charger blows air through the battery via vents.
Great vid i only buy genuine batteries and chargers not worth the bother with cheap knock offs
Ive seen too many Makita copy tools heat up and burnout with plenty of smoke and sparking from the motors on general site use. I have trusted genuine Makita tools since 1979 and never had any bad problems. This is what one pays for QUALITY & RELIABILITY. We don’t get that from knock-off so beware.
Hello! I was looking for this comparison. Could you check some more data, please?
The Makita batteries are known to have an rather short overall lifespan, because of their rapid charging. I am actually thinking about using such a clone for charging them, when I don't need them charged fast (which is about 90% of all my charging cases..). Obiously this only would make sense, of they don't get too hot while charging.
I would probably even try fitting two fans into the clone, for optimizing this strategy.
So, these would be very useful to know:
1.) What temperatures do batteries in both chargers reach, while in twin charging mode (Double the Amp with fan vs. half Amp without fan..) (You could just tape some cheap thermocouple to the top of the batteries for comparing, like an "TM-902C".
2.) Would The clone double charger would charge a single battery twice as fast? (OK, this point seems to be answered, since you cracked the case open..)
You will have to ask someone else, I got rid of the fake one.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL OK, thanks! too bad :)
The Makita 18v 5.0Ah packs typically contain Samsung INR 18650 25R cells in 5s2p configuration... According to Samsung spec sheet, "standard" charging rate is 0.5c, those cells are around 2.55Ah/cell, so 4 or 5 Amps is ideal for longevity. Under fast charge scenario, you run down the pack capacity to ~60% after 250 fast charge cycles. Definitely better to slow charge.
Why doesn't Makita give the consumer the choice of fast or slow, with slow being default? Because money. You'll buy more packs if you always fast charge.
They make slow chargers. Most people using these batteries are builders and tradies and they want fast charging. Time is money.
I recently purchased the knockoff 1 like yours with the double usb's . It charges the battery to about 20v instead of the fully charged 20.50v like the genuine ones , thats 1 way they claim it charges faster , I'd rather have it fully charge the battery & give a longer more honest charge time - than not use the battery to its full potential ! I took a 3.0amp battery & finished it off on my i-max b8 & it took an extra 600m/ah to finish off to full capacity
Interesting 🤔, but I hear that on mobile phone batteries give longer life if Not charged fully nor Completely depleted --- but I haven't tested that..
Makita make the best cordless tools...overall. They also manufacture a range of 1/4 inch impact drivers actually made in Japan, not sold in Aus or NZ. See Project Farm's review.
Forget project farms hugely inaccurate review. Look at the heap of reviews I've done on the subject.
Also Makita make a lot more tools in Japan than impact drivers.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL Ok I will!
can third party chargers shorten the life or kill the battery? and can third party batteries kill a tool? btw very nice video!
Well there are no fans on this third party charger so the cells could get hot which may slightly shorten battery life. And I have no third party batteries for any of my tools as I don't trust them.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL thanks! i asked the battery question because project farm did a video about aftermarket batteries. and i dont trust the batteries either.
I purchased a knock-off Hitachi one a few years back, never held a charge more than a few minutes. Waste of time.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL and i guess money too?
Makita 9A charger was the reason i came to Dewalt (Makita's batteries lost a third of its capacity in two years because of its high charging current). Now seeing 3.5A chinese chargers (those with LCD screens) for Makita batteries i might switch sides once again, Makita has much better ergonomics and more features, especially impact drivers..
In canada where it gets cold during the winter the chargers will recognize the cold weather and will deactivate the fan until ambient temperature is increased or if the battery gets hot.
The blower looked good though. Is that worth purchasing or is it rubbish?
Nice vid, interesting to see. Big difference between charging times, so it may not make a big difference, but e don't know if they charged to the same level (and if they were discharged to the same level either). Could have discharged all batteries on the same tool, charged them, and measured run time on the same tool afterward. Would have been a bit cleaner.
I put fans in all my M18 chargers
The fans are essential for the genuine Makita to carry out rapid charging. This is probably why the Fakita is pegged at 4 amps. Any higher then it would start ruining batteries. The instructions are just plain nonsense.
You don't want more than 4 amps from that charger. If you rapid charge some of the third party Makita batteries at full tilt they can overheat and catch fire. The BMS board in the copies is very basic.
OR it's rated 4Amps because it's supposed to run at 240v? Whereas the Genuine one is designed for the US market which is 110v........less volts, more amps, same wattage.
The original in the video is 240v.
@@whatyousaidbud Here in the UK, our domestic supply is all 240V. There are tools that run on 110V but they are for sites.
Quality
Chinese Makita chargers suck. I picked up a Makita 12 volt Chinese charger and decided to open it up a few weeks ago. No balance charging leads at all. Half the metal contacts exposed on the top to interface with the battery were fake and connected to nothing underneath. The charger will destroy a good Makita battery in no time at all.
That’s kind off good to here from my point .i did think about buying a knock off but went with the original.do you know anything about the fake batteries?
You should check how hot those batteries run on that Chinese one.
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My favourite brands are Hilti and Fein, harder to get here In AUS than in Europe but quality wise and support is amazing, expensive as tho. They might be a little weaker but their reliability and ergonomics are worth it.
Panasonic is good too but you can get it in Australia that’s the difference but not many people buy them because of the prices
I WOULD ADD A FAN NO BIG DEAL .
Но есть один нюанс : чем меньше ток заряда, тем больше будет ресурс аккумулятора. По факту китайская копия makita выдаёт в районе 3А, это гораздо лучше чем 9А
So it took 3x as long to charge the batteries even in the genuine charger as it does to use them? Hmm no thanks.
7:50 U like ninja turtle😉
Are those real batteries
I never none whit the bottom sticker like that
Yes
You needed recheck usb charging, while batteries is charging to. 4A will be splitter and probably 9A original will charge phone more.. newer phones will grab more power.
>Charges slower
Good, all battery fast chargers should default to slow charging unless you press a button to switch to fast charging mode, your batteries last far far longer.
I laughed at 13:35 😆.
I came for the charger review. I stayed for the socks and thongs.
Actually, the weight of a charger doesn't need to be in relation with its power. If a switching mode power supply with higher switching frequency needs smaller ferrite transformers and buffer capacitors. Just thing about a computer PSU, motherboard DC-DC converters around the CPU or on a GPU board. And these things converts even hundress of watts.
Though, that fake chinese charger looks bad. I wouldn't risk my Makita batteries with that garbage. Does it even have proper protections? Overvoltage, overcurrent, battery overload etc?
Think you should call them Makchita 😁
Better to buy makita battery and charger and makit fake tools then. BTW sandals and socks not a good look
what is rapid in china may be slow in the rest of the world.
Is it fair to buy knockoffs? Any time?
The chinese is better because lower charge will heat less the battery resulting in a longer battery life. As you know, the heat is what damage the batteries.
The rapid makita chargers blow air through the batteries to help keep them cool.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL yes! Makita knows It much better than us. However the blower will keep the outside temperature down. Drill a small hole, insert a temperature gauge in each and check It! But If you're in a hurry it's justified to kill the battery sooner. Otherwise, keep cool...
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They don’t draw 9 amps. They are capable of providing 9 amps on the output charge voltage
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Ceramic vs glass fuses, one is not better than the other.
If both fuses have the same amp value, the glass fuse will be safer because it will blow much faster.
They're meant for different usage: ceramic is for slow blow and glass is for quick blow.
So a relatively short power surge wouldn't trip the ceramic but it would the glass fuse.
No matter how good or bad this charger is, it's a bit unfair to describe this product as a FAKE. It is not marketed as a Makita product, therefore not pretending to be a Makita product, therefore not 'fake'. It says it is for use with Makita batteries. ie, is compatible with the Makita batteries. There are so many 'compatible' products we use in all areas of our lives. eg. car spare parts (known as 'aftermarket'). Who buys genuine Mercedes exhaust systems for their 15 year old car?? but we don't call them fake. When I hear about a 'fake' product, I usually think of identical 'copies' of high end shoes, designer label clothes, etc that you pick up at low prices from the market, getting the look for a fraction of the price, or ridiculously cheap SD cards from eBay. At the end of the day, they have offered a product with (claimed) compatibility and a price, which as the consumer we have a choice whether to buy or not. BTW, great video though!
"Sent it with the best plug", there fixed it for ya.
Not the best if it doesn't fit in your socket.
Makita 9 amps vs knockoff 4 amps.
Makita pushes out more than double the amps and thats why charges half the time of knockoff.
Personally I prefer slow charge and not to over heat the batteries.
Fake,but godinaf.
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WTF chinese businessman....
Hj ! Good video,...usefull ! Greetings from colongne (G)