"I swear, I will go to my grave thinking of my brother's peach." I need to take a break from being online... I've got too much brainrot not to have laughed as hard as I did at this.
It fits Stannis' character not to see the innuendo lol. But it really is a beautiful line. Especially as Stannis has to live to face such brutal hardship and coming starvation. Stannis could've been enjoying peaches, hell even enjoying 'peaches' of ladies he fancied- but instead he wasted those summer days. And now all that's left is cold duty.
Even Renly alone would have been unstoppable had he survived. He already had the biggest army; and after defeating Stannis in battle the next day, he would also have gotten the biggest navy. After that he has basically won, he can take King's Landing whenever he wants, while having the Lannister and Stark waste their armies (as he was wisely doing). A surviving Renly is pretty much invincible until Dany arrives, if she does.
@@ghi-dorahYou got that backwards. The books repeatedly say Renly was just like a young Robert - powerful and compelling and all that good stuff yeah, but also vain and careless and wanted to grab power with no interest in actually using it well once he was king.
Surely the peach is also a way for Renly to remind Stannis that he has the backing of House Tyrell? Renly specifically mentions the peach comes from The Reach
I've left lengthy comments on this topic on other videos, as such I will not go on at length. You have captured the essence of my statements anyway. Unless I'm missing some super deep meaning, it seems like a straightforward metaphor for the power of the Reach. It could also have been character work, showing that Renly has an entirely different worldview than his brother. While Stannis is a hard man, Renly is always looking for fun and be finds provoking Stannis to be one of the most fun things
Thank you so much for pointing out that renly might have just been eating a peach, and Stannis can't even imagine that possibility. We are all Stannis, I suppose
The peach reminds me of Prince Doran's personal guard Areo Hotah in the Water Gardens. He longs to eat the ripe blood oranges, but never takes the initiative. It's not like he's forbidden from doing so, and later that night he admonishes himself for not picking up the oranges that had fallen to the ground. My impression was that he was so devoted to duty that he could not bring himself to do almost anything he wasn't specifically commanded to do.
I always thought the peach was meant as a juxtaposition to the onions that Stannis had to eat to survive the siege of Dragonstone, and therefore the peach and onion contrast the differences of the two brothers and how Life itself treats them. Renly is handed Life's sweetest pleasures and receives the love of people without enduring much adversity whereas Stannis must suffer badly just to eat onions, working hard through thankless tasks without earning much renown among the people. Renly's sweet peach life is short-lived, but Stannis's duty is basically dehydrated onions with a long shelf life. Not everyone would choose onions over peaches, but with Winter coming the onions would be the better option. Edit to add that it was the siege at Storm's End, not Dragonstone. Stannis is grinding his teeth somewhere right now.
I always wondered where Renly was during Robert's Rebellion. Given his lack of privations in life and carefree attitude he does not seem to have endured the starvation siege of Stormsend with Stannis and his wife. Also neither Renly or Stannis ever seem to referee back to them enduring the siege. He didn't seem to have taken to the field with Robert, as he is inexperience in war by the time of Game of Thrones, and was likely too young. Also it wasn't that he hadn't been born yet, as both his parents died prior to Robert's Rebellion. Perhaps he was being looked after by a different friendly house, far from Stormsend, but again it's odd they never mention it or try and collect on this favour.
Well, we have to remember the siege of Storm’s End that effectively traumatized Stannis, at least in regards to food. We’re told repeatedly how dire his situation had become and how his wife never truly recovered from the starvation. Immediately after the siege was lifted, Storm’s End was granted to Renly instead of the brother who actually endured and coordinated the siege, an insult that haunted Stannis. Additionally, Renly repeats how it’s from the Reach: the very region they’re effectively sparring over, and that Renly had initially secured.
I don’t know if this has been said before, but the narrator has a perfect voice in my opinion, one I feel I have heard before, relaxing but also informative, excellent narration very professional!
Stannis’ only understanding of power is by the sword (hard power). He doesn’t understand alliances (soft power). He thinks Renly is pulling his sword. In fact, Renly is producing the fruit of his alliances.
Exactly, Peach is symbol of peace and harmony. Stannis never had friends cause he was so cold. Show Stannis fandom act same way with calling Renly dumb. When he’s honestly one most interesting character who doesn’t get his praises.
I always saw the peach as renly's peace offering, as him offering either happiness and a good life or the sword. Of course when Stannis declined the peach, he was embracing the sword
Renly knew damn well there would be no peace with Stannis. Everyone and their granny knew that Stannis was resolute and unbending. Thats kind of what makes Stannis, Stannis. And that’s why he was the most feared by the Lannisters.
My current theory is that GRRM wants to die of American before finishing the series, thus leaving an unfinished legacy for us plebs to opine the conclusion.
I agree that this is a large part of the meaning of the peach for Renly. He's saying this is not personal, Stannis. It's politics. By trying to remind him that he would have backed Stannis as king and could have given him the highgarden alliance, etc... 😉
Food use to describe the environment around it. Peach symbol Renly is well beloved by others and even the smallfolk claim him be King over Stannis after Robert died
Not only is Stannis the rightful one of the two and likely the one who would be a better ruler (though not unifier), I kinda think Renly would just hate being king! He seems to be the guy who'd have a much better time as the widely beloved prince and heir apparent. Stannis also definitely was unlikely to have a son, so Renly's chances of inheriting were good. Declaring himself king was just a bit *too* free spirited.
Renly would be a friendly gay Robert, spending money he doesn't have on feasts and festivities the realm doesn't need. Stannis is stable and practical, to a fault for sure but he would make a better king than one obsessed with luxury and laughter. Yeah maybe kings landing would be dull for his reign but at least they probably wouldn't starve and criminals would be punished, things repaired and taxes addressed. Stannis understands the duty, Renly is more interested in the glory and popularity
@@Grace-er9ep exactly. Stannis doesn't have the charisma or guile to *win* the Iron Throne, but if he inherited it like he should have been allowed to, he would have been exactly the king the realm needed to recover from Robert's indulgence.
I'm actually pro King Renly because he's allied with Mace (through Loras mostly) which means Oleanna could easily influence him. Robert was an alright king as long as Jon Arryn did the actual ruling. Stannis was already unpopular and stubborn, he would be fine in a realm of Davos-es but there'd be riots from the smallfolk and mutiny from the lords. An unpopular king encourages rebels to try their luck. All this would have created a feedback loop where Stannis tries to be even harsher and do more of his Stark-flavoured Justice. Robert meanwhile handed out pardons like candies and Renly would do the same. Everyone treats the war like a funny misunderstanding (except the smallfolk soldiers who die by the hundreds), the realm is ruled by Oleanna and Varys in the shadows, maybe Kevan or even Tywin gets a seat on the council because they choose peace over war, we get a few years of peace under King Renly until the Lannisters or Varys springs their schemes.
I find it intetesting that Stannis did not think the peach was poisoned. He drew his blade thinking his brother would attack him but never thought he would try poison. It was common to also consume something poisonous to prove it "safe" then take the antidote in private. And we know the Tyrells are not above poison even if Renly was too honorable.
I was so disappointed when this wasn't included in the TV show, and it gave me some concern that the writers seemed to not quite understand - or at least care about - actual character development. To not understand the meaning of The Peach is the true shibbolet of ASoIaF, not figuring out who Jon's mother is.
I think its a reflection of their personalities. Renly has his peach, stannis has his onion(knight). Rely is sweet and summery but easily bruised. Stannis is hard, sulfuric, acidic, bitter.
I think this also is a meta commentary somehow on all of us trying to pick at anything for meaning, when George is really offering us a peach, just a juicy peach for us to enjoy
Lol Renly went to troll his brother and ended up trolling an entire fandom. The peach is a peach. Renly knew that even talking to his brother was pointless. Offering him a peach was the only offer Stannis may have accepted.
I agree. Renly went in to the parley pretty much knowing Stannis would not accept Renly's offer to put him on the throne. That moment was already "lost" as Martin said. What's sweeter than being king?😉
The peach is also Margery/High Garden. Renly offered Ned the kingdom, he wanted pleasure and to indulge, he would have given it to whoever was going to give him that.
A line from TS Eliot poem “The Lovesong of J Alfred Prufrock” “Shall I part my hair behind? Do I dare to eat a peach? I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach. I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each.” Ahh the simple symbolism of the peach!
Wow what timing! I went to see if any peaches were ready to pick. I’m standing in front of the tree and suddenly think I should put on some asoiaf video to listen to. This is the video that came up when I checked my subscriptions.
Renly basically telling his brother to, as the young people put it, 'touch grass'. I think it's a great literary device from GRRM, and a really good example of why his writing is so compelling. The meaning behind the peach isn't really the point. In great writing, the solution to a conundrum is never as important or interesting as how people go about solving it. What's important is how Stannis reacts to it, giving us an insight into how this man's mind works. His constant brooding analysis over minutiae. His feelings about his brothers and how he sees himself. Stannis, the lifelong outsider, immediately assumes it's a joke at his expense, or a cryptic message he's not capable of understanding. It goes to the the core of who Stannis is, what motivates and drives him. When Stannis is asked why he wants so badly to be king, his response reflects this - what he wants or doesn't want, doesn't matter. In his mind, he's Robert's heir, and so he IS king, whether he wants it or not. It's not a matter of choice, it's a matter of duty. Stannis is a tragic, Shakespearean character, locked into the path towards his own destruction by his own sense of destiny. And so when Renly asks him to support him, he reacts in kind - he simply has no choice in the matter. Renly is his brother, who he loves, even admires in a way. But Renly isn't king. And a true king does his duty above all else - even if it means never tasting a peach.
It's actually a pretty great move. It's not unreasonable to deny a peach when offered, but once you see the person eat the peach after you rejected the offer, that's when you know you really really wanted a peach after all, but now it's too late to change your mind. Stannis spoke of the mind games to Davos, but what he rejects saying deep in his own heart is that Stannis wanted that peach so bad. Stannis will brag about eating onions, but will never admit he wants a peach.
@@LorelleJusticeNuh uh, she is evil and got the true King, Viserys of the House Targaryen, Third of His name, King of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First men, Protector of the Realm and Lord of the Seven Kingdoms killed by savage horse lords
I think that what Renly meant is that Stannis doesn't have to follow his duty, he can just relax, eat peaches and be the Lord of Storms end while Renly rules.
I wish it had been included as well... Along with dozens of scenes like it that are the soul of the books, yet probably flew over the show runners' heads
I would have thought he was threatening him by saying he has the backing of high garden on his side. It's rich, has a lot of manpower and most importantly he's telling him that he'll have enough supplies for the winter war and stannis won't.
I think it was just a friendly gesture, and if conditions were normal they just could have laughed it out and stop that quarrel. And it was the point when Stannis could have changed his mind and unite with his brother. But Stannis was so deeply immersed in his ways that he couldn't even recognize the friendly gesture the way it was. Renly was on top of his game and literally had no reason to get into his brother's head any further. I really think he offered a peach just for the sake of offering it.
I haven’t thought about the peach in awhile, and then a week or two ago, I had a dream. And for some reason Renly’s Peach made a cameo I was very confused when I woke up.
@@lao1634 Ummm… no. If you listen to the time stamp listed you will clearly hear that it was cited as not making it to the show “at all”. …as explained.
4:28* i love the thought of Renly, in that moment genuinely wishing Stannis was able to savour the fruit, as it were. I had taken it as an implied taunt, as if to say; "Look brother,see how loved and carefree I am compared to you!" I do have a fairly negative view of Renly, it has to be said, but this video will add a bit more subtlety to this interaction. Perhaps both brothers were holding onto a fragment of hope that they might somehow find a reconcillation, which to me, makes it so much sadder.
There is a 4th layer in that it was the Tyrells with the Red Wine fleet of High Garden that besieged him at Storm's End during Robert's Rebellion. For his brother Robert he was willing to starve to death out of duty, while the Red Wine fleet besieging him feasted on those same peaches that his brother Renly offers him the peach to forget his sacrifice that placed their other brother on the throne, with the metaphorical opposite for the same conclusion. A feast instead of starvation, Renly is offering the peach for Stannis to forget his sacrifice with a feast from the very people who caused his starvation, mocking it in an attempt to get him to again be second brother to king by accepting the symbol of his sworn enemies, that his honor and duty would again be meaningless, as meaningless as his rightful claim to the throne now. In the end Stannis killed him for it.
I think the point of the peach in a broader sense is the very fact we can't figure it out, that when you kill someone their ideas and their thoughts die with them, you can never recover "the meaning of the peach" when you kill the only person who knows, death takes something out of the world, and you can never recover it.
It has been quite awhile since I've read the books. If memory serves. Remely was a toddler and Stannis reflected on carrying him into the court to view the dragon skulls. They meet Tywin Lannister believing him the king. I think he was close to Remely. I also believe the siege of Dragon stone turned him into the man we saw. I can be wrong. Perhaps Remley was saying with that peach you loved me and I loved you.
I feel line in the show they tried to make a nod to the peach as you see Renly pickup and eat one when he's talking to Little Finger in his tent and the camera frames just Renly and the peach and lingers on it for a moment.
Just shows that GRRM's stories are just a never-ending stream of "What can go wrong, will go wrong" Their joining together would have been a perfect solidification of the Baratheon dynasty. Stannis, rooting out the snakes with Melisandre and setting the Kingdom up to survive the Long Night and beat the Others for the rest of his lifetime, While Renly as his heir went around with his wife Margery and sworn swords Loris and Brienne tempering Stannis's hard edge by gaining the love and respect of the Small folk and nobles. Together they would have easily taken King's Landing with minimal loss. Untied, they could have conveyed to Cat, and then Robb, that Ned did, in fact, give his life to put Stannis on the Throne as the rightful heir. Which would have won Robb over. Especially when Stannis has a conversation with Robb concerning the threat from the North and Jon later confirms it. Then Stannis would have had at least 2 shadow babies in the Chamber if Dany decided to come home.
I mean in a narrative sense Renly’s peach is about the doomed nature of his rule; connecting himself with a fleeting, summertime fruit that has no chance of surviving the current fall, let alone winter. Its kinda the maintheme of Catelyn’s chapters in Renly’s camp, with her looking at all these gung-ho lads excited for war and considering how unprepared for The Horrors they are. I also think Stannis’ continued obsession with the peach is less due to the peach itself, and more the assassination that followed shortly thereafter. Stannis clearly experiences trauma associated with killing his brother, and perhaps is experiencing a sort of flashbulb memory in regards to their last meeting prior to it. He can’t forget the peach because the memory of it is tied with nightmares of Renly’s murder; he says as much himself. He wants there to be a greater meaning to give more reason to his own actions, and not just the squabble taken to lethal extremes it actually was.
For me it’s simply a representation of Highgarden and its armies and supplies and that Renly has it and Stannis does not. It’s that might which makes Renly’s claim stronger.
"Only Renly could vex me so with a piece of fruit"
Anyone with a younger sibling can relate to Stannis.
“Renly’s peach” sounds like a nickname Loras uses for something
Clicked on the video for this exact joke
Pretty sure Loras buried Renly at the place where they first shared their peaches with each other.
This guy won the comment battle royal
The TV show has blurred my memory of the books. Is Renly gay in the books?
@@michaelbayer5094its hinted at. They go “praying” for long hours even though both of them arent religious
"I swear, I will go to my grave thinking of my brother's peach."
I need to take a break from being online... I've got too much brainrot not to have laughed as hard as I did at this.
It fits Stannis' character not to see the innuendo lol.
But it really is a beautiful line. Especially as Stannis has to live to face such brutal hardship and coming starvation.
Stannis could've been enjoying peaches, hell even enjoying 'peaches' of ladies he fancied- but instead he wasted those summer days. And now all that's left is cold duty.
stupid
It's really not that funny.... or at all. It's a peach. Not a vagina. Grow up.
The Baratheon brothers would have been unstoppable if they had just worked together.
Facts!
only if stannis had bowed to renly. i doubt the tyrells would had supported renly this much if it was just for wedding the kings brother...
@@ghi-dorahstannis had no sons and wife seemed unable to give him more heirs.
Renly would prob have been the heir apparrent.
Even Renly alone would have been unstoppable had he survived. He already had the biggest army; and after defeating Stannis in battle the next day, he would also have gotten the biggest navy. After that he has basically won, he can take King's Landing whenever he wants, while having the Lannister and Stark waste their armies (as he was wisely doing). A surviving Renly is pretty much invincible until Dany arrives, if she does.
@@ghi-dorahYou got that backwards. The books repeatedly say Renly was just like a young Robert - powerful and compelling and all that good stuff yeah, but also vain and careless and wanted to grab power with no interest in actually using it well once he was king.
Unfortuntely the budget only allowed Starbucks or a peach, so no peach.
but for the next heir? stannis offered that
"its something that has fascinated the ASOIAF fandom for years"
not just us, Loras too 😅
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Surely the peach is also a way for Renly to remind Stannis that he has the backing of House Tyrell? Renly specifically mentions the peach comes from The Reach
It’s also the fact that Stannis is a very marshal man; he never really enjoys the sweetness of life, he never “smells the roses” so to speak.
It can also very well represent the luxury Renly allows himself by having Peaches carted to him all the way from the Reach admits a war.
A Reach Peach.
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I've left lengthy comments on this topic on other videos, as such I will not go on at length. You have captured the essence of my statements anyway. Unless I'm missing some super deep meaning, it seems like a straightforward metaphor for the power of the Reach. It could also have been character work, showing that Renly has an entirely different worldview than his brother. While Stannis is a hard man, Renly is always looking for fun and be finds provoking Stannis to be one of the most fun things
Thank you so much for pointing out that renly might have just been eating a peach, and Stannis can't even imagine that possibility. We are all Stannis, I suppose
What's sweeter than being king?
Stannis: "I will go to my grave thinking about my brother's peach..."
Loras: "Yeah, me too..."
The peach reminds me of Prince Doran's personal guard Areo Hotah in the Water Gardens. He longs to eat the ripe blood oranges, but never takes the initiative. It's not like he's forbidden from doing so, and later that night he admonishes himself for not picking up the oranges that had fallen to the ground. My impression was that he was so devoted to duty that he could not bring himself to do almost anything he wasn't specifically commanded to do.
You had me at "Renly's peach"!
his peaches do that to people
I'd love to eat Renley's peach.
Well have I got some videos for you!
I always thought the peach was meant as a juxtaposition to the onions that Stannis had to eat to survive the siege of Dragonstone, and therefore the peach and onion contrast the differences of the two brothers and how Life itself treats them. Renly is handed Life's sweetest pleasures and receives the love of people without enduring much adversity whereas Stannis must suffer badly just to eat onions, working hard through thankless tasks without earning much renown among the people. Renly's sweet peach life is short-lived, but Stannis's duty is basically dehydrated onions with a long shelf life. Not everyone would choose onions over peaches, but with Winter coming the onions would be the better option.
Edit to add that it was the siege at Storm's End, not Dragonstone. Stannis is grinding his teeth somewhere right now.
It was the siege of storms end
@@Astromamut oops. Storm's End. Forgot. It has been 15 years since I read it.
I always wondered where Renly was during Robert's Rebellion. Given his lack of privations in life and carefree attitude he does not seem to have endured the starvation siege of Stormsend with Stannis and his wife. Also neither Renly or Stannis ever seem to referee back to them enduring the siege. He didn't seem to have taken to the field with Robert, as he is inexperience in war by the time of Game of Thrones, and was likely too young. Also it wasn't that he hadn't been born yet, as both his parents died prior to Robert's Rebellion. Perhaps he was being looked after by a different friendly house, far from Stormsend, but again it's odd they never mention it or try and collect on this favour.
@@dromankass8655 that's a great question
In other words, Stannis chose duty and Renly chose love (or rather pleasure).
Well, we have to remember the siege of Storm’s End that effectively traumatized Stannis, at least in regards to food. We’re told repeatedly how dire his situation had become and how his wife never truly recovered from the starvation. Immediately after the siege was lifted, Storm’s End was granted to Renly instead of the brother who actually endured and coordinated the siege, an insult that haunted Stannis.
Additionally, Renly repeats how it’s from the Reach: the very region they’re effectively sparring over, and that Renly had initially secured.
I don’t know if this has been said before, but the narrator has a perfect voice in my opinion, one I feel I have heard before, relaxing but also informative, excellent narration very professional!
Tell me: are you, by chance, an American?
Stannis’ only understanding of power is by the sword (hard power). He doesn’t understand alliances (soft power). He thinks Renly is pulling his sword. In fact, Renly is producing the fruit of his alliances.
Good point!
He understands it perfectly well it's just not where his talents are
Indeed. And offering them to Stannis. What's sweeter than being king?
Exactly, Peach is symbol of peace and harmony. Stannis never had friends cause he was so cold. Show Stannis fandom act same way with calling Renly dumb. When he’s honestly one most interesting character who doesn’t get his praises.
The best general in Westeros doesn’t understand how alliances work.
Does that really sound coherent?
I always saw the peach as renly's peace offering, as him offering either happiness and a good life or the sword. Of course when Stannis declined the peach, he was embracing the sword
This is broadly correct in my thinking. On the other hand I thinks it's more specific...
Renly knew damn well there would be no peace with Stannis. Everyone and their granny knew that Stannis was resolute and unbending. Thats kind of what makes Stannis, Stannis. And that’s why he was the most feared by the Lannisters.
I don't know about the peach, but I heard Ser Loras could eat a peach for hours.
😂😂
Oh please, we all know Renly was the top of the relationship 😂
Loras definitely accepted Renly’s peach.
@@Chaosoftheunicornsso you think tops don't like their peaches eaten? Please return back to the 1950s.
You may be thinking of Taena Merryweather ;)
"And a peach, that fruit, it's copper, bright and shiny, pretty to look at but not worth all that much at the end of the day." ~ Donal Noye, probably.
GEORGE, PLEASE!
THEY'RE EXPLAINING PEACHES NOW!
**PEACHES**
FINISH THE DARN BOOK, GEORGE!
You just got another Stark killed...
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🤣 Seconded!
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My current theory is that GRRM wants to die of American before finishing the series, thus leaving an unfinished legacy for us plebs to opine the conclusion.
The peach makes it seem like the entire war was just Renly going “all right time for a good ol war no hard feelings.”
I agree that this is a large part of the meaning of the peach for Renly. He's saying this is not personal, Stannis. It's politics. By trying to remind him that he would have backed Stannis as king and could have given him the highgarden alliance, etc... 😉
G.R.R just loves talking about food
the real truth. deleting my videos on the peach
Food use to describe the environment around it. Peach symbol Renly is well beloved by others and even the smallfolk claim him be King over Stannis after Robert died
Not only is Stannis the rightful one of the two and likely the one who would be a better ruler (though not unifier), I kinda think Renly would just hate being king! He seems to be the guy who'd have a much better time as the widely beloved prince and heir apparent. Stannis also definitely was unlikely to have a son, so Renly's chances of inheriting were good.
Declaring himself king was just a bit *too* free spirited.
Renly would be a friendly gay Robert, spending money he doesn't have on feasts and festivities the realm doesn't need. Stannis is stable and practical, to a fault for sure but he would make a better king than one obsessed with luxury and laughter. Yeah maybe kings landing would be dull for his reign but at least they probably wouldn't starve and criminals would be punished, things repaired and taxes addressed. Stannis understands the duty, Renly is more interested in the glory and popularity
@@Grace-er9ep exactly. Stannis doesn't have the charisma or guile to *win* the Iron Throne, but if he inherited it like he should have been allowed to, he would have been exactly the king the realm needed to recover from Robert's indulgence.
I’ve thought the same since I first read the story
I'm actually pro King Renly because he's allied with Mace (through Loras mostly) which means Oleanna could easily influence him. Robert was an alright king as long as Jon Arryn did the actual ruling. Stannis was already unpopular and stubborn, he would be fine in a realm of Davos-es but there'd be riots from the smallfolk and mutiny from the lords. An unpopular king encourages rebels to try their luck. All this would have created a feedback loop where Stannis tries to be even harsher and do more of his Stark-flavoured Justice. Robert meanwhile handed out pardons like candies and Renly would do the same. Everyone treats the war like a funny misunderstanding (except the smallfolk soldiers who die by the hundreds), the realm is ruled by Oleanna and Varys in the shadows, maybe Kevan or even Tywin gets a seat on the council because they choose peace over war, we get a few years of peace under King Renly until the Lannisters or Varys springs their schemes.
Maybe it’s Renly is the sweet bit and Stannis is the stone.
Stannis is a ham.
@@ffarkasmRobert is the boar 🗣️🗣️
“Millions of peaches,
Peaches for me…”
😂😂😂😂
I find it intetesting that Stannis did not think the peach was poisoned. He drew his blade thinking his brother would attack him but never thought he would try poison. It was common to also consume something poisonous to prove it "safe" then take the antidote in private. And we know the Tyrells are not above poison even if Renly was too honorable.
This has to be at the top of my favorite videos of yours. Thanks Robert
Stannis burning Shireen is the most out-of-character thing in all of fiction.
homie that isn't even the most out-of-character thing to happen in that season
I constantly find myself on each side of this argument
@@splitprune what was, in your opinion, more out of character?
Tv is not canon, it’s fan fiction
But maybe its just 2deep4us 😂😂
He's channeling his inner Castor Troy.
He could eat a peach for hours.
Who?
@@alfieingrouille1528 Lancel and Osney Kettleblack, and fucking Moonboy
This is exactly what I think about when I hear anything about eating a peach
@@alfieingrouille1528 From the 90's Nick Cage film, Face Off.
I dont like Nicholas cage films@@charlieboone1298
I was so disappointed when this wasn't included in the TV show, and it gave me some concern that the writers seemed to not quite understand - or at least care about - actual character development. To not understand the meaning of The Peach is the true shibbolet of ASoIaF, not figuring out who Jon's mother is.
Hi In Deep Geek, i thought this was a very beautiful interpretation of Brotherly love that you touched upon. Thank you.
@InDeepGeek the animations were so good!! Please let's get more for future videos 🙏❤️
I only wish Renly's speech about all his banners made the show. It was epic
Loved the original art and animations, keep it up
Only Renly could vex us all with a simple fruit
Not me. 😊
Damnn Stannis pulling out a knife when Renley pulls out the peach really does empathize they’re different way of thinking
I think its a reflection of their personalities. Renly has his peach, stannis has his onion(knight). Rely is sweet and summery but easily bruised. Stannis is hard, sulfuric, acidic, bitter.
Ooh, great catch
I’ve always thought that it was just Renly being a good brother, he had a peach, something tasty, and wanted his brother to try it.
If only GRRM had known how poorly “I will go to my grave thinking of my brothers peach” aged
And as horny as Martin is, you'd think he'd be there ahead of us.
The peach represents also the power of the Reach and Highgarden, owning the peach is owning possible because he held the most fertil lands
I think this also is a meta commentary somehow on all of us trying to pick at anything for meaning, when George is really offering us a peach, just a juicy peach for us to enjoy
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Lol Renly went to troll his brother and ended up trolling an entire fandom.
The peach is a peach.
Renly knew that even talking to his brother was pointless. Offering him a peach was the only offer Stannis may have accepted.
I agree. Renly went in to the parley pretty much knowing Stannis would not accept Renly's offer to put him on the throne. That moment was already "lost" as Martin said.
What's sweeter than being king?😉
Such a great, great in depth of video. I imagine Stannis dying under a peach tree before Brienne executed him. If the book follows the show.
Excellent display of sibling relationships. If you think about it too, Robert was kind of the perfect middle ground between their personalities.
Perfect example of why I love GRRM's writing and I love this channel. Thanks, Robert!
This art is amazing . Whoever did this should be the person to animate the proper ending
Even in static images
All the artists are credited at the end of the video x
@@ceejaysargent I missed it . Thanks
Yep, fantastic art - just the perfect style for ASOIAF. Hope we see more like this in Robert’s videos.
I hope one day you'll restore the whole "Rhaegar, Lyanna And All That" playlist.
Those were a lot of great videos and I miss them.
Sometimes a peach is just a peach.
not this time.
if Stannis had wifi in his tent he would have searched for this video the second he got back from that parley
GRRM needs to finish the next book already.
Yo I was literally going to ask you about this and this is the second time I’ve had a question and you dropped a video shortly after
The peach is also Margery/High Garden. Renly offered Ned the kingdom, he wanted pleasure and to indulge, he would have given it to whoever was going to give him that.
Cutting the peach scene from the tv show is peak peach scene.
Loved this one. Good work, Wobbit.
A line from TS Eliot poem “The Lovesong of J Alfred Prufrock”
“Shall I part my hair behind? Do I dare to eat a peach?
I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.
I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each.”
Ahh the simple symbolism of the peach!
Wow what timing! I went to see if any peaches were ready to pick. I’m standing in front of the tree and suddenly think I should put on some asoiaf video to listen to. This is the video that came up when I checked my subscriptions.
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It's in the text...from Highgarden. Renly is flexing his association with the Tyrells?
Loras loved Renly's peach too
Best peach in all the kingdoms fr fr~🗿
I always thought the peach was Renly saying, “you want to try one of these? I’ve got access to these because my very powerful allies grow them”
Renly basically telling his brother to, as the young people put it, 'touch grass'.
I think it's a great literary device from GRRM, and a really good example of why his writing is so compelling. The meaning behind the peach isn't really the point. In great writing, the solution to a conundrum is never as important or interesting as how people go about solving it. What's important is how Stannis reacts to it, giving us an insight into how this man's mind works. His constant brooding analysis over minutiae. His feelings about his brothers and how he sees himself. Stannis, the lifelong outsider, immediately assumes it's a joke at his expense, or a cryptic message he's not capable of understanding.
It goes to the the core of who Stannis is, what motivates and drives him. When Stannis is asked why he wants so badly to be king, his response reflects this - what he wants or doesn't want, doesn't matter. In his mind, he's Robert's heir, and so he IS king, whether he wants it or not. It's not a matter of choice, it's a matter of duty. Stannis is a tragic, Shakespearean character, locked into the path towards his own destruction by his own sense of destiny. And so when Renly asks him to support him, he reacts in kind - he simply has no choice in the matter. Renly is his brother, who he loves, even admires in a way. But Renly isn't king. And a true king does his duty above all else - even if it means never tasting a peach.
It's actually a pretty great move. It's not unreasonable to deny a peach when offered, but once you see the person eat the peach after you rejected the offer, that's when you know you really really wanted a peach after all, but now it's too late to change your mind. Stannis spoke of the mind games to Davos, but what he rejects saying deep in his own heart is that Stannis wanted that peach so bad. Stannis will brag about eating onions, but will never admit he wants a peach.
I recently began to read the books and .... The all Renly/Stannis narrative arc is just my favorite and the peach is its very apotheosis
The sweet Summer King that could've been
For a time until the rightful queen comes in
@@LorelleJusticeNuh uh, she is evil and got the true King, Viserys of the House Targaryen, Third of His name, King of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First men, Protector of the Realm and Lord of the Seven Kingdoms killed by savage horse lords
Great video as always
Love this analysis
That scene with the peach always reminded me of Cato the Elder dropping figs from his toga
I always though the peach was an allusion to Loras Tyrell's booty.
Renley knew how to live rent free in stannis' brain...
Loved this! @4:12 the text should be “martial” not “marshal”.❤
Perhaps it shows that Stannis sees symbols when there are none. This idea shows how vulnerable he is to Melisandre.
The MANNIS!!! 🔥🔥
I think that what Renly meant is that Stannis doesn't have to follow his duty, he can just relax, eat peaches and be the Lord of Storms end while Renly rules.
As the famous Freud's (mis-quoted) sayings goes 'Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar'.
I wish it had been included as well... Along with dozens of scenes like it that are the soul of the books, yet probably flew over the show runners' heads
Love the animation
Caityln looking fine af in this artwork
I would have thought he was threatening him by saying he has the backing of high garden on his side. It's rich, has a lot of manpower and most importantly he's telling him that he'll have enough supplies for the winter war and stannis won't.
it is 'The Peach That Was Promised'😄😁😁
I think it was just a friendly gesture, and if conditions were normal they just could have laughed it out and stop that quarrel. And it was the point when Stannis could have changed his mind and unite with his brother. But Stannis was so deeply immersed in his ways that he couldn't even recognize the friendly gesture the way it was.
Renly was on top of his game and literally had no reason to get into his brother's head any further. I really think he offered a peach just for the sake of offering it.
That’s the kind of videos I really love hahaha
Renly: "Would you care for a peach, brother? I can eat a peach for hours!"
I haven’t thought about the peach in awhile, and then a week or two ago, I had a dream. And for some reason Renly’s Peach made a cameo
I was very confused when I woke up.
@0:23 Whaaat!??? Renly’s peach was absolutely in the T.V. show.
Yes it was just a shout out to the book readers as explained
@@lao1634 Ummm… no. If you listen to the time stamp listed you will clearly hear that it was cited as not making it to the show “at all”.
…as explained.
Phew, I thought I'd Mandela effected myself
@@maryjanedodo Ha ha, 😆.
No, we’re still in the same dimension.
Maybe the fruit in the show was technically a nectarine? I don't recall the scene and context in the show. Was the word "peach" spoken in dialogue?
4:28* i love the thought of Renly, in that moment genuinely wishing Stannis was able to savour the fruit, as it were. I had taken it as an implied taunt, as if to say; "Look brother,see how loved and carefree I am compared to you!"
I do have a fairly negative view of Renly, it has to be said, but this video will add a bit more subtlety to this interaction. Perhaps both brothers were holding onto a fragment of hope that they might somehow find a reconcillation, which to me, makes it so much sadder.
Renlys peach was beautiful
There is a 4th layer in that it was the Tyrells with the Red Wine fleet of High Garden that besieged him at Storm's End during Robert's Rebellion.
For his brother Robert he was willing to starve to death out of duty, while the Red Wine fleet besieging him feasted on those same peaches that his brother Renly offers him the peach to forget his sacrifice that placed their other brother on the throne, with the metaphorical opposite for the same conclusion. A feast instead of starvation, Renly is offering the peach for Stannis to forget his sacrifice with a feast from the very people who caused his starvation, mocking it in an attempt to get him to again be second brother to king by accepting the symbol of his sworn enemies, that his honor and duty would again be meaningless, as meaningless as his rightful claim to the throne now. In the end Stannis killed him for it.
I think the point of the peach in a broader sense is the very fact we can't figure it out, that when you kill someone their ideas and their thoughts die with them, you can never recover "the meaning of the peach" when you kill the only person who knows, death takes something out of the world, and you can never recover it.
It has been quite awhile since I've read the books. If memory serves. Remely was a toddler and Stannis reflected on carrying him into the court to view the dragon skulls. They meet Tywin Lannister believing him the king. I think he was close to Remely. I also believe the siege of Dragon stone turned him into the man we saw. I can be wrong. Perhaps Remley was saying with that peach you loved me and I loved you.
really nice video.
Renley’s peach 🍑 😂 I die.
I feel line in the show they tried to make a nod to the peach as you see Renly pickup and eat one when he's talking to Little Finger in his tent and the camera frames just Renly and the peach and lingers on it for a moment.
Just shows that GRRM's stories are just a never-ending stream of "What can go wrong, will go wrong"
Their joining together would have been a perfect solidification of the Baratheon dynasty.
Stannis, rooting out the snakes with Melisandre and setting the Kingdom up to survive the Long Night and beat the Others for the rest of his lifetime, While Renly as his heir went around with his wife Margery and sworn swords Loris and Brienne tempering Stannis's hard edge by gaining the love and respect of the Small folk and nobles. Together they would have easily taken King's Landing with minimal loss.
Untied, they could have conveyed to Cat, and then Robb, that Ned did, in fact, give his life to put Stannis on the Throne as the rightful heir.
Which would have won Robb over. Especially when Stannis has a conversation with Robb concerning the threat from the North and Jon later confirms it. Then Stannis would have had at least 2 shadow babies in the Chamber if Dany decided to come home.
I mean in a narrative sense Renly’s peach is about the doomed nature of his rule; connecting himself with a fleeting, summertime fruit that has no chance of surviving the current fall, let alone winter. Its kinda the maintheme of Catelyn’s chapters in Renly’s camp, with her looking at all these gung-ho lads excited for war and considering how unprepared for The Horrors they are.
I also think Stannis’ continued obsession with the peach is less due to the peach itself, and more the assassination that followed shortly thereafter. Stannis clearly experiences trauma associated with killing his brother, and perhaps is experiencing a sort of flashbulb memory in regards to their last meeting prior to it. He can’t forget the peach because the memory of it is tied with nightmares of Renly’s murder; he says as much himself. He wants there to be a greater meaning to give more reason to his own actions, and not just the squabble taken to lethal extremes it actually was.
That’s not the only peach from Highgarden that Renly enjoyed.
Renly was great at speechcraft so I always assumed it was a mind game to rile up Stannis and it worked.
You just reminded me of Shireen’s death on the show… I still feel so upset by it years later.
i suppose this might be foreshadowing for stannis' final defeat, how he overthinks the wrong things and misses the obvious.
Renleys peach has a pit of despair
If Renly wanted to make a show of presenting a fruit from the Reach, he simply could have used Loras.
For me it’s simply a representation of Highgarden and its armies and supplies and that Renly has it and Stannis does not. It’s that might which makes Renly’s claim stronger.