My mom has a 50 year old lemon tree that her mom planted. Once it grew a bit it was replanted into a half of a barrel. She lives in North East Croatia and we used to bring the tree inside every winter and it still bears fruit every year. Winters in Croatia used to be down to minus 30 degrees Celsius, not as harsh nowadays. The bedroom where we kept the lemon wasn't directly heated but it was adjacent to the living room that was, so it never went below freezing point, but wasn't much better than that on the coldest of days.
It’s what she DOESNT say about Braavos…The cold miserable sleet and rain and fog that would keep her inside for days. The taste of salt wind. The sound of the waves crashing lulling her to sleep. The loud roar of the Titan. Huge Ships passing by the Palace to be reviewed by the Sealord. The Palace Garden is an island with some trees and a Menagerie. The four main buildings of the Palace are on rock outcrops connected by covered bridge stairs. The Garden may also be reached by a bridge. If her stone house was on the small island she would remember the constant calls of the animals and birds. Their strong smells. The constant stream of servants caring for them and feeding them. As a small child she would be eager to watch and help. She would remember how good a warm fire felt at the end of cold misty days…
Well said. Dany may thinnk she lived in Braavos, but even living with the Sealord doesn't seem to explain everything. Dany sees the "stone house with the red door" as a time of simplicity and bliss, but that just isn't Braavos. Braavos is almost like New York, or any other modern metropolis: it is busy, loud, dynamic, with people always coming and going, with long voyages used to escape the bustling city life. And yet for Dany, we get none of this! Imagine a New Yorker who knows nothing about how big cities function, smell, and look. Its plainly rediculous.
@@runaravenscraft5314 First, thing that you need to understand is that George RR Martin each character understanding or point of view. So like a detective you have go back to a time before "Robert's Rebellion" that where you realize that George is telling us their going to four protagonists in the story of the song of Fire and Ice.
I think the bigger hint that it's not in Braavos isn't the lemon tree, it's actually the fields. A lemon tree can grow in Braavos in the gardens of the rich. However, there are no big fields.
@@Levacque I don't remember which book or chapter that she has the memory, but I do recall that she remembers running barefoot through a field of grass outside the house with the red door.
@@MattDelaney To be fair, to a child of 5-6 years old, a "field" you can run around barefoot in can just be a decent-sized yard with a lawn. Something like that could very plausibly be found inside the Sealord's palace complex.
Preston Jacob’s series “Daenerys and the page of lies” goes in great detail about the amount of inconsistencies there are in Danys memory, it’s actually astounding how many details are given in the first dany chapter that are later totally contradicted by other more reliable narrators
If you were hiding the last of the Targaryen Dynasty, you definitely want to keep them in an inside court facing window and not one facing outwards and one that others can look into .
02:04 Fun fact: in Denmark and Norway in 16th to 19th century there used to be an official called "Beggar King" who supervised activity of vagrants and beggars, ensuring that only those who had the proper permission could beg in city grounds. So essentially, Nordics used to actually TAX beggars for begging.
Beggars having to show ID proving they were legitimate beggars and Poor people being on an approved list of The Poor isn't confined to Scandinavia. Most countries had a version of it to prevent beggin as a profession.
The German did that too from the 16th century onward. The beggards had to apply for marks that would designate them and allow their presence in the streets and those marks were only handed out if certain criteria were met.
When life gives you lemons, time to foment a conspiracy about the relevance of crimson portals and the proper climates of certain citrus trees. Otherwise we'd all realize she's just a stark using their ancient ice dragon riding genes to mind control fire dragons, and the Targaryens are actually the Others.
To me it illustrates the Stark contrast ( pun intended) with Jon Snow.. How living with a huge name made her life hell and her wanting to be nameless and simple ( which is was Jon got and suffered in a different turn of events).
I always thought, like Sansa and the unkiss, the red door may be distorted by her trauma. I like to think the door was a normal door splattered with blood, that she’d subliminally convinced herself was a red door to hide from a traumatic event. The lemon may also be a sigil. In ASOIAF it’s not uncommon for the children to romanticise their past trauma to escape
A field of lemons is the house sigil for House Dalt, which is a Dornish house too. Possible that House Dalt was involved in keeping her safe for a time, or that they were a rival faction in Dorne that didn't want to see them return to power.
One problem with the point on the Iron Bank: The fact they were loaning Robert money gives them a powerful reason to want two Targaryeons in their back pocket. The whole threat of "the Iron Bank will have its due" is that if you fuck with them, they will support your enemies. Having the ability to at any time finance a Targaryen restoration would give them a massive amount of leverage over Robert.
@@ShouldersofGiants100 this is why them being Kicked out after servants steal their money doesn’t make any sense, because 1) why would they (the guests) be kicked out after the servants of the host stole their money? That entire situation is backwards and 2) if they’re in the palace of the sea lord why on earth aren’t they just putting their money in the iron bank in the first place? It’s basically across the street and like you said, the iron bank would want to keep them close And 3) why would the Iron Bank even allow them to be expelled from Braavos in the first place? It is so advantageous to have them around that it simply makes no sense for them to be hands off once Viserys and Dany start traveling the free cities
"Dany, there are no lemon trees in Braavos. It was a Citron." "EVEYTHING I KNOW IS A LIE!" "Also, the door was more of a vermillion than red." "WHO EVEN AM I?!"
I'd always thought of Dany's longing for the lemon tree and the red door was a bit of a nod to Tolkien's "The Hobbit", where Bilbo often longs for the comfort of his "hobbit hole"...
I love how logical you are in analyzing the plot of the story. I never cared for the fan theories that suggested that the lemon tree pointed to Dany’s false memories, and even a different parentage. I like how Lady Gwyn compared Dany’s Red Door to Gatsby’s Green Light.
I agree, I always thought it was a pretty unnecessary theory. The red door is more of a symbolic thing meant to represent Dany's deepest desires. It doesn't really matter where it is to me, I still think it's probably just some courtyard in Braavos, possibly the Sealord's or some other nobles.
I think you are right that her being in Dorne raises more questions, but doesn't Arianne Martell remember a little girl from her childhood with oddly coloured hair? Green or blue, I don't remember which. Shaving/dying hair is a pretty common Secret Targaryen trope in the books.
That doesn't sound familiar unless it was about Myrcella's hair being dyed brown to get her safely to Dorne, or some offhand allusion to some dye-haired merchant's child in the Water Gardens. Do you remember the quote at all?
And I have two lemon trees growing inside my house in Alaska. My house is difficult to keep warm during the darkest, stormiest months, but supplementing the trees with growing lights keeps them happy enough. They are only a few years old, as such it is too early to tell if they will bear flowers.Still, they grow taller and thicker of truck each summer and have produced ever larger leaves . Braavos is doubtless very much warmer than here, but the humidity would be an issue. Lemons prefer more dry air with high drainage soil, and i'm not sure if they would tolerate sea air very well. Anyway, this is as always quite well reasoned and researched. Cheers
Tbf there are also all kinds of lemon trees, different species have different survival strength. Some need very warm and sunny weather, some others can handle rainy falls or cold winters. You can also cover them to protect them from very low temperatures. Here it's almost more of a question of "Would Dornish lemon tree be able to survive in Braavos ?" maybe if the garden and gardeners had made the conditions great for them. But there could also be other species of lemon tree that come from areas that are a bit chillier and that'd do fine in Braavos. I don't think the lemon tree should be the main focus or at least not the only one.
@@Libellulaire Very good info to add into the discussion, thank you. It also makes me wonder, could it have been a hybridised citrus? There are at least dozens, probably hundreds of very unique fruits that have originated through this process. I wonder if some orchard in Dorne has a pomello or tangelo tree?🤓 Edit: pomello are actually not hybrids
I had a house with a white door and a lemon tree outside, in a cold, foggy coastal area, where the air smells like salt and the humidity is so great the granite walls would sweat like the Wall. I can't go there anymore, much like her. I think it could grow, and if you could barely grow vegetables there, a lemon tree would be the ideal, vitamin C and all that. And the idea of lemon trees being outrageous could be propaganda by the rich, to hide that they have acces to vitamins the poor could never afford to keep alive. And you can keep fires in winter to warm trees, lots of places used to do it, and it adds to the idea of an opulent custom the powerful hide from the scurvy riddled peasants.
It's totally plausible that the lemon tree is in Braavos. Here in Buenos Aires it is very common to have a lemon tree on every other house, on the summer we have 30°c - 37°c but in the winter it gets as cold as 0° - 5° and the lemon trees survive just fine.
@@juanmanuellatorre6779 lemon trees might do fine IRL in those temperatures, but within the text of the story, George has specifically gone out of his way multiple times to say that lemon trees don’t grow in cold climates within the story. If he didn’t want those hints to be there, he could have very well not put them in, but he did. Whether lemon trees can or can’t survive brief low temperatures is less the point, the point is the author is telling us that they do not grow there. Which then leads us to re examine Dany’s other memories, none of which are compatible with anything we know about Braavos
@@st3pp3nw0lf86 Yeah I agree that real life is tragic. But a random person on the internet enjoying a brief escape from real life to enjoy a book is a bad thing?
It is a testament and compliment to Emilia Clarke that, although many other attractive men and women have portrayed Targaryens in various flashback sequences or in HotD, she is the only one who really manages to attain that ethereal, other-worldly, mysterious and captivating beauty that Targaryens are supposed to have. And it's not just a matter of her physical appearance, but she has a presence and gravitas to most of her scenes that somehow... Makes everyone sharing scenes with her seem somehow dim and less vibrant than she herself. This is not meant as a slight to any other actors and actresses in the two shows, but Emilia Clarke is an incredible natural beauty and a talented actress who I hope has a long and storied career.
The kid who plays Aemond comes close, but I agree that he's not on her level. (He would be great for one of the Sons of Feanor if they're ever able to adapt the Silmarillion.)
I used to think that every image Daenerys had of a safe house, of a home, molded into one image, that never really existed. There wasn't a single house with a red door and a lemon tree growing outside Dany's window, as she had to move from one place to another, to stay safe from Robert Baratheon's assassins, but there was a house that had a lemon tree in a private garden that she could sit and look out, and a different house had a red door, that if the assassins ever found her, she could run back to, shut behind her and be safe. Now I think she was probably kept in a private wing of the Sealord's Palace, and the red door was likely out of the way and only used by servants and secret guests, and when she was 'thrown out', she brushed her hand against it, saying goodbye, before her brother pulled her away.
The problem with there just being a lemon tree in Braavos after the story telling us multiple times that a lemon tree in Braavos is preposterous is that it's not a satisfying payoff. The books are setting this up like it's going to be a big deal that leaves the reader saying "Wow, this completely changes things" , but the sealord of Braavos being involved isn't anything notable as a reveal.
The fandom set it up as a big thing, mostly because we’re starved for new content so we overanalyze everything. The books just hint at some discrepancy in Danny’s retelling, it doesn’t need a huge pay off.
@@lostvarius I never said it needed a "huge" payoff, but it needs something big enough to go with the repeated reminders that Braavos is not exactly flush with fruit trees. Having the explanation be that it was the former sealord's garden is a non-payoff because it just means she was exactly where she thought she was and everything was exactly as a first time very casual reader would be expected to assume long before the book repeatedly emphasized the general lack of lemon trees.
Honestly, I'd prefer her to have been the guest of the Sealord. To me "Danny's entire backstory is a lie" is far more unsatisfactory than "Danny was safe with Sealord A (who may re-enter the story) until he was deposed/replaced by Sealord B". Occam's razor doesn't have to apply in fiction, but it's unsatisfactory when it doesn't. Always supposing we ever get an explanation in Winds, which clearly isn't a given.
Great research as always my guy. I bet it was at at the Sea Lords palace. Having citrus trees head been a flex for thousands of years. They are small enough to keep in containers and move or cover to avoid freezing.
Yep. Any knowledge of citrus history in Europe (or European climate in fake worlds) would point to courtyards as the place where they grow, like the orangeries at Versailles and all over England. I would guess that the only reason King's Landing doesn't have noteworthy citrus courts is a literary one - GRRM didn't want to muddy the waters regarding Dany's memories. Funnily enough, even Doran Martell uses courtyards to grow the more delicate blood oranges in the arid heat in Dorne whereas lemons are stable enough to grow in natural groves. It's crazy how much natural detail is in these books.
Well, definitely explore more to the story about the lemon tree and the red door because it makes sense hopefully in the final two books if it ever comes fingers crossed 🤞
It's never getting finished. All these hanging storylines that George has tantalised us with are just red herrings, cool ideas/ brainfarts that he wrote into the manuscript. They're going nowhere.
I think we'll get the whole picture from people like Arya listening at doorways in Braavos and Arianne Martel listening to her father's failed schemes. But Dany will never get to remember it properly.
I love your videos robert ❤ they mean so much to me - been struggling with health issues and your breakdowns have taken me though surgeries, long recoveries and rest.
So Doran supported Viserys the whole time but left him as the Beggar King once the Sea Lord kicked them out? Dany remembers a humble house, not an extravagant garden, you’d think there’d be more than just a lemon tree in the Sealord’s exotic collection. Dany doesn’t remember any of Bravo’s near constant rain or fog or the deafening roar of the Titan multiple times a day. I my opinion it’s just too much of a stretch for the Lemon Tree just to be a symbol of Dorne, who have done nothing for Dany.
It wasn't the Martells helping Daenerys to hide in Dorne. It was the Daynes and the House with the Red Door is somewhere in the Red Mountains, probably High Hermitage. R+L=D and B+A=J.
There are lemon trees that can survive freezes as well as people can grow them in containers. One of the strategies to keep cold weather citrus alive is to grow it next to a brick wall facing the sun. The bricks store and radiate heat raising the temperature.
Great vid as always IDG , i have long agreed with your views regarding Dany and the lemon tree / house with the red door from previous videos , livestreams and discussions etc. There are of course some curious elements at work , perhaps should have remembered and mentioned other aspects one living in Braavos would surely remember. But a lot of favorable evidence as well - the decor she remembers would line up with the Sealord's Palace , which would also have well tended gardens and trees and such structures that line up with her memories. Also being potentially politically valuable / formerly quite powerful family and could be used for important purposes at some point would make sense for Dany and Viserys to be under the direct care and protection of the Sealord for a time. The Sealord as the witness of the agreement also quite suggestive . The upheaval and quickly being tossed out lines up with the cutthroat / often regime change type politics of Braavos as well. And even if not the best climate for lemon trees surely one well tended could survive in Braavos for a bit as its not incredibly cold and / or harsh there either. But most important is what the lemon tree / house with the red door represents to and for Dany (also mentioned in this vid) and sheds quite a bit of light into Dany's true character. Surely DT is much more than a conqueror (at times a ruthless one at that, as required) ; the house with the red door is a longing for home , security , protection / safety , family and peace. I suspect her longing for certain aspects mentioned will likely be partially tested with the fAegon situation for example. But these are clear longings and desires of Dany's that are engrained and should persevere through her upcoming challenges ; especially as she has been used and taken advantage of and under threat most of her life. Those longings are imo quite suggestive of her true nature as a person / character.
I live in North Canterbury and we have just had 2 consecutive nights of -5°c and a week of cooler weather, people are not even wrapping their lemon trees.
Hello, Robert. Love your channel and commentary. You get it on things others commenting on GRRM saga stuff completely miss. Thank you for literal ***YEARS*** of insightful and intelligent commentary. You also DON'T assume that your subscribers are somehow brain dead ... because we aren't. It takes intellect to retain all the minutiae that comes along with the Epic.
If the sea lord had the three dragons eggs, he may have welcomed a pair of Targaryen children that may be able to hatch them. I believe they were hidden her room as cradle eggs.
I wonder how, I wonder why Yesterday you told me 'bout the blue, blue sky And all that I can see is just another lemon tree I'm turning my head up and down I'm turning, turning, turning, turning, turning around And all that I can see is just another lemon tree
Some rich people could just have them in their garden. We see that in our world as well.
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George R.R. Martin has admitted (multiple times) that this kind of thing is one of his favorite things about writing. He loves leaving little clues and red herrings and seeing what people pick up on. Ultimately, he likes to give us things to discuss like this. Mysteries to solve.
Or he uses that as an excuse for poor writing so credulous fans lap up his brilliance.
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@@peterg9729 Trying to call narrative choices and the dropping of subtle hints "bad writing" just might be the best demonstration of a complete lack of writing knowledge that I've ever seen. It's really a bit like comparing apples and oranges, only more inane. It almost feels like a desperate lashing out. Especially that, upon seeing my comment about a remark Martin made about what he enjoys writing, and you felt compelled to call him a bad writer, lol. Firstly, both good and bad writers can and do use such plot devices. One has nothing to do with the other. And you can certainly enjoy writing them as either, too, which is what my comment was about. Second, what credentials and/or expertise is it that you have which makes you qualified to judge someone's writing? How many more books have you sold than him? It must be a lot. What're the names of the books you've had published, again? And which ones were adapted into a premium cable series? I'd love to compare… 🤡
There's a load of references to lemons in Asoiaf. Lemons symbolise luxury, wealth, freshness, beauty, purification, status, beauty, bittersweet, love, healing and longevity. The negative side of lemon symbolism are defective and imperfection.
There is a method of growing fruit trees called Espalier, where the trees are trained against a building, wall, or fence. Training against a building can allow you to grow trees slightly outside of your climate range by radiating heat during the Winter months. Russians also grew lemon trees in trenches that were covered with wood and cloth in Winter to shelter against the cold.
I think that symbolism can also be applied to the (extremely relatable) bittersweet memory of a safe childhood she can never return to. Very good reading of the lemon symbolism!
@@ThommyofThennlemons are definitely bitter as well as acidic/sour Edit: oh hey, are you northerntommy when viewing the livestreams?? I like reading your comments!
There are a few facts that connect Dany with Dorne. First her own name , cause she was named after,possibly the only Targaryen that was beloved by the Martell family and well considered by the dornish people . Second, her eyes, the color of her eyes reminded ser Barristan of Ashara Dayne, even thinking that she could have been her daugther. And third , the lemon tree, Dorne seems the only place were lemon trees can grow in Westeros. she actually has Dayne ancestry as Jon.
Here I was thinking why a lemon tree is so special, they are in the backyards of plenty of people I know. But I do live in Australia, so I had no idea they didn't grow in the cold.
I kind of see the symbolism, the red door is a contrast to Jesus red robe and the Lemon Tree of Braavos that Dany dreamed about could be Christian allegory to the Garden of Eden . When the Cherub With the Flaming Sword drew away Adam and Eve from Paradise. I am pretty sure Eve would have certainly dreamed about Eden and thought of returning home much like Dany. The bible said that "where your heart is, your treasure will be also"
It does make me wonder if, like the North of Westeros, could Braavos have some hot-spring action? It certainly appears to have some Weirwood and tunnel connections!
I actually feel bad for Viserys. He was just a boy trying to keep his baby sister alive after losing everything. If Rhaegar had won the throne and raised his siblings they both would have been much better people
I always wondered why Dairy didn't reach out to The Martels before he died. Surely he knew he wouldnt live forever. He needed allies to ensure their safety if something happened to him. Right. lol IDK. just a thought.
People just love to see what they want to see. That so-called "nod" in HOTD was a line specifically about a flower growing and flourishing in a climate where you *wouldn't* expect it to, and the picture in the background was an *orange* tree.
@@TransKidRevolutionHe is a smart man and I used to like his theories and his channel but now he just seems so negative about everything. It makes it a total drag to watch/listen to. So, yes, I agree with your summation of him! 😜
Interesting. I always wondered why Danny didn't stay and take over Essos. It's bigger, it could be just as wealthy in minerals and metals and fertile for agriculture. I think it would be very interesting to see the Targaryan Dynasties subdue and rule over Essos, gather their strength and develop dragon breeding again and then take over Westeros.
Of course will be a tentativeness and wariness but also surely some common ground would be found with their anti-slavery views above all else. They i would expect would come to realize she is not the typical Valyrian / dragon-rider.
The lemon tree doesn’t sound like a small potted lemon tree in a greenhouse. It sounds like her room is on the second floor with branches coming near her large window. Giving her room the feel of a tree house. As if her room was in its branches. There is the lemon scent but also many other stronger perfumes in the air. Outside the stone home are sunny fields to run in. With other stone houses all around. The door of the house is red. She is always running out playing. The sick man would need quiet. She would be quiet when she visited him. Then leave the house to play. The door was red when it shut and she left for the last time…. The Tree and the Door….If Dany would go to Braavos it would be interesting to see her confusion and her questioning….
ALWAYS GREAT TOPICS👑🐉🖤 Thank you Robert. I saw an article that Bloodraven is making an appearance in finale!🤔that would be great. I hope they actually make him look like BR. As much as they spend, not even an eye patch? Same with Euron
I always saw the lemon tree as a metaphor for Dany. She can survive somewhere like Braavos, but she won't thrive there and can be much more, if she returns to where she comes from.
the lemon tree could also be in a greenhouse. Now that I think of it, with the nature of long summers and winters in the world, I would think it makes sense that the ultra wealthy would invest in greenhouses for lucrative and prestigious crops that otherwise wouldnt survive the long winters.
Meyers lemons grow in climates colder than that. Northern California, both on the coast and somewhat inland gets colder than that in the winter and spring and Meyers lemons grow extremely well, and some other types of lemons grow decently well too.
I always thought it could either be in the Reach in Hightower Lands along the honeywine, Lys, or somewhere in Dorne. Lys has always been a place where you could find the bastards of Valyria, House Hightower and Dayne have a lot of traits that are alike to Valyrians and it’s likely the populace on said houses lands should be similar. There is a snippet in the original draft that said she grew up in Tyrosh which gives very obvious connections to the Blackfyre’s and it is said within the books she speaks Valyrian with a Tyroshi Accent. Which is strange for someone supposedly educated in Valyrian by Viserys. But that could be because she just developed the accent from sailing on the many ships.
Citrus plants, lemons and oranges etc, are a usual staple of sea fairing people. They prevent scurvy. Just a point as to why this house might have a Lemon Tree. A home with a Sailor.
What do you think to the related theory that the man she remembers dying wasn't actually Willem Darry? She remembers him having soft hands, quite unlike those you would expect a hands-on, battle-hardened master at arms to have. Just another little flavour to add to this inconsistently-remembered lemon soup. 😁
lemon tree i could get, u need just a little soil and warm weather. but its first time i hear about green fields. that makes it not bravos. i always imagined it as a single tree on bare ground and high walls around the house so no one from the city could see them. and now it turns out it was all a lie in my head.
Damn you, In Deep Geek team! Just when I come to terms with waiting a few more years for Winds of Winter, you get me fired up with some foreshadowing and political intrigue. You guys are officially dead to me. (P.S. in all seriousness, keep up the great work-love the videos).
Bravos seems to be the right answer but there is one detail that keeps bugging me about it. Namely the other memory Daenerys has about running barefoot through firlds of gras to reach the red door. Sure, this could be a childs memory of a lawn turned into wast fields. But it still feels odd that she remembers the field but no structures, bushes or other things one would find in a park, or even more in a big greenhouse.
@@alexissandren1884 The lack of any mention regarding the Titan's roar strikes me as particularly conspicuous tho. That'd surely be a clear part of a kid's memory of Braavos, no?
@@haerverk If she was in Bravos from a very young age, the roar can have been such a normal everyday sound for her that when she became old enough to form memories it didn't stand out.
It's possible she was outside the city proper, on the mainland. The Bravos probably have territory surrounding the city itself for farmland, etc. Dany being raised in a small farming village in effectively the middle of nowhere seems like a better place to hide her then in the city proper.
This is the writing, and reporting, that I love about GOT. Small details with profound consequences. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Do you think Dany will discover the truth of the lemon tree? Also, is it possible that she was housed in Dorne during this time, as opposed to a Dorne - friendly ally?
House Tully may be more magical than we think? Is it possible they are shapeshifters as well? Scottish myth has a good double handful of examples of humans shifting into fish, in particular salmon. And back again. Does Martin hint at this ability? Remember the blackfish escaping river run? Caitlyn surviving post-murder in a river for days.
I find it more likely that Dany is wrong about where the "house with the red door" is re: ASOIAF's unreliable narrators. But, since we don't have an answer to that, it's fun to theorize one way (she's right about where the lemon tree and house with the red door is) or another (she's wrong about the tree and house). Unreliable narrator -> she's wrong. QED. I do look forward to the fireworks of the Braavos/Arya plot, whichever way it turns out. Ty so much for the content. It's always thought provoking, well researched, and sooooo re-watchable.
@8:39 At the close of the Rebellion, it would also be several years (2 or 3) until Joffrey's birth, so Robert's heir was Stannis, who was unwed at the time, and after him Renly, who was also unwed. So back then it was TBD if the Baratheon royal family was going to establish itself and continue being the new dynasty
My mom has a 50 year old lemon tree that her mom planted. Once it grew a bit it was replanted into a half of a barrel. She lives in North East Croatia and we used to bring the tree inside every winter and it still bears fruit every year. Winters in Croatia used to be down to minus 30 degrees Celsius, not as harsh nowadays. The bedroom where we kept the lemon wasn't directly heated but it was adjacent to the living room that was, so it never went below freezing point, but wasn't much better than that on the coldest of days.
Sansa loves lemon cakes, dany sees lemons as a symbol of home, that parallel is so cute.
Great connection
I've always had a theory that lemon cakes symbolize Sansa's love of songs. Truth is sour and lies are sweet.
I hope they meet in the books and they become friends. They both have paralleling stories as they both have lost so much and just long for home.
@@misabelrodriguez1163me too, people always pit them against each other I wish they didn’t
@@strongbad4usean Oh I like that! Very good theory!
It’s what she DOESNT say about Braavos…The cold miserable sleet and rain and fog that would keep her inside for days. The taste of salt wind. The sound of the waves crashing lulling her to sleep. The loud roar of the Titan. Huge Ships passing by the Palace to be reviewed by the Sealord. The Palace Garden is an island with some trees and a Menagerie. The four main buildings of the Palace are on rock outcrops connected by covered bridge stairs. The Garden may also be reached by a bridge. If her stone house was on the small island she would remember the constant calls of the animals and birds. Their strong smells. The constant stream of servants caring for them and feeding them. As a small child she would be eager to watch and help. She would remember how good a warm fire felt at the end of cold misty days…
Dang, you got me wanting to visit a coastal New England town, and feast on some chowder!
That red door and lemon tree links her to origin. She is one of three. The undying give away who she really is.
Well said. Dany may thinnk she lived in Braavos, but even living with the Sealord doesn't seem to explain everything. Dany sees the "stone house with the red door" as a time of simplicity and bliss, but that just isn't Braavos. Braavos is almost like New York, or any other modern metropolis: it is busy, loud, dynamic, with people always coming and going, with long voyages used to escape the bustling city life. And yet for Dany, we get none of this! Imagine a New Yorker who knows nothing about how big cities function, smell, and look. Its plainly rediculous.
@@Madame702 can you expand on this? im curious as to what you are meaning
@@runaravenscraft5314 First, thing that you need to understand is that George RR Martin each character understanding or point of view. So like a detective you have go back to a time before "Robert's Rebellion" that where you realize that George is telling us their going to four protagonists in the story of the song of Fire and Ice.
I think the bigger hint that it's not in Braavos isn't the lemon tree, it's actually the fields.
A lemon tree can grow in Braavos in the gardens of the rich. However, there are no big fields.
Where does she mention fields? I don't recall that ever being associated with memories of the red door, and I have just finished rereading AGoT.
Excellent point, maybe another free city such as pentos or volantis. She could be misremembering, or mix different memories.
@@Levacque I don't remember which book or chapter that she has the memory, but I do recall that she remembers running barefoot through a field of grass outside the house with the red door.
@@MattDelaney To be fair, to a child of 5-6 years old, a "field" you can run around barefoot in can just be a decent-sized yard with a lawn. Something like that could very plausibly be found inside the Sealord's palace complex.
Preston Jacob’s series “Daenerys and the page of lies” goes in great detail about the amount of inconsistencies there are in Danys memory, it’s actually astounding how many details are given in the first dany chapter that are later totally contradicted by other more reliable narrators
If you were hiding the last of the Targaryen Dynasty, you definitely want to keep them in an inside court facing window and not one facing outwards and one that others can look into .
02:04 Fun fact: in Denmark and Norway in 16th to 19th century there used to be an official called "Beggar King" who supervised activity of vagrants and beggars, ensuring that only those who had the proper permission could beg in city grounds. So essentially, Nordics used to actually TAX beggars for begging.
Shades of the Discworld.
Beggars having to show ID proving they were legitimate beggars and Poor people being on an approved list of The Poor isn't confined to Scandinavia.
Most countries had a version of it to prevent beggin as a profession.
Kind of reminds me of that dude who claims to be Emperor of the US.
The German did that too from the 16th century onward. The beggards had to apply for marks that would designate them and allow their presence in the streets and those marks were only handed out if certain criteria were met.
When life gives you lemons, time to foment a conspiracy about the relevance of crimson portals and the proper climates of certain citrus trees. Otherwise we'd all realize she's just a stark using their ancient ice dragon riding genes to mind control fire dragons, and the Targaryens are actually the Others.
Lol
That fomenting sure was foamy!
She’s actually a horse
😂😂😂😂
😳 sounds plausible
To me it illustrates the Stark contrast ( pun intended) with Jon Snow.. How living with a huge name made her life hell and her wanting to be nameless and simple ( which is was Jon got and suffered in a different turn of events).
Very good! I like that connection!
I always thought, like Sansa and the unkiss, the red door may be distorted by her trauma. I like to think the door was a normal door splattered with blood, that she’d subliminally convinced herself was a red door to hide from a traumatic event. The lemon may also be a sigil. In ASOIAF it’s not uncommon for the children to romanticise their past trauma to escape
Woah I never heard this before but I totally dig this theory!!!
You went SOOOO Fisher King with that one. You don't even know!
A field of lemons is the house sigil for House Dalt, which is a Dornish house too. Possible that House Dalt was involved in keeping her safe for a time, or that they were a rival faction in Dorne that didn't want to see them return to power.
@@bluemoonflame342we do know the Blackfyre plot is heavily involved with Dorn.
One problem with the point on the Iron Bank: The fact they were loaning Robert money gives them a powerful reason to want two Targaryeons in their back pocket. The whole threat of "the Iron Bank will have its due" is that if you fuck with them, they will support your enemies.
Having the ability to at any time finance a Targaryen restoration would give them a massive amount of leverage over Robert.
@@ShouldersofGiants100 this is why them being Kicked out after servants steal their money doesn’t make any sense, because
1) why would they (the guests) be kicked out after the servants of the host stole their money? That entire situation is backwards and
2) if they’re in the palace of the sea lord why on earth aren’t they just putting their money in the iron bank in the first place? It’s basically across the street and like you said, the iron bank would want to keep them close
And 3) why would the Iron Bank even allow them to be expelled from Braavos in the first place? It is so advantageous to have them around that it simply makes no sense for them to be hands off once Viserys and Dany start traveling the free cities
"Dany, there are no lemon trees in Braavos. It was a Citron."
"EVEYTHING I KNOW IS A LIE!"
"Also, the door was more of a vermillion than red."
"WHO EVEN AM I?!"
ok
I'd always thought of Dany's longing for the lemon tree and the red door was a bit of a nod to Tolkien's "The Hobbit", where Bilbo often longs for the comfort of his "hobbit hole"...
"It's not like how they told it in the stories, Mr Frodo."
I love how logical you are in analyzing the plot of the story. I never cared for the fan theories that suggested that the lemon tree pointed to Dany’s false memories, and even a different parentage. I like how Lady Gwyn compared Dany’s Red Door to Gatsby’s Green Light.
I agree, I always thought it was a pretty unnecessary theory. The red door is more of a symbolic thing meant to represent Dany's deepest desires. It doesn't really matter where it is to me, I still think it's probably just some courtyard in Braavos, possibly the Sealord's or some other nobles.
many of us have that place with the red door and lemon tree. it's a good place to get back to.
I think you are right that her being in Dorne raises more questions, but doesn't Arianne Martell remember a little girl from her childhood with oddly coloured hair? Green or blue, I don't remember which. Shaving/dying hair is a pretty common Secret Targaryen trope in the books.
That doesn't sound familiar unless it was about Myrcella's hair being dyed brown to get her safely to Dorne, or some offhand allusion to some dye-haired merchant's child in the Water Gardens. Do you remember the quote at all?
And I have two lemon trees growing inside my house in Alaska. My house is difficult to keep warm during the darkest, stormiest months, but supplementing the trees with growing lights keeps them happy enough.
They are only a few years old, as such it is too early to tell if they will bear flowers.Still, they grow taller and thicker of truck each summer and have produced ever larger leaves .
Braavos is doubtless very much warmer than here, but the humidity would be an issue. Lemons prefer more dry air with high drainage soil, and i'm not sure if they would tolerate sea air very well.
Anyway, this is as always quite well reasoned and researched. Cheers
In some ways, there’s two lemon trees growing inside all of us
@@Matt-xc6sp that's awesome. Thank you
Tbf there are also all kinds of lemon trees, different species have different survival strength. Some need very warm and sunny weather, some others can handle rainy falls or cold winters. You can also cover them to protect them from very low temperatures.
Here it's almost more of a question of "Would Dornish lemon tree be able to survive in Braavos ?" maybe if the garden and gardeners had made the conditions great for them. But there could also be other species of lemon tree that come from areas that are a bit chillier and that'd do fine in Braavos.
I don't think the lemon tree should be the main focus or at least not the only one.
@@Libellulaire Very good info to add into the discussion, thank you. It also makes me wonder, could it have been a hybridised citrus? There are at least dozens, probably hundreds of very unique fruits that have originated through this process. I wonder if some orchard in Dorne has a pomello or tangelo tree?🤓
Edit: pomello are actually not hybrids
I had a house with a white door and a lemon tree outside, in a cold, foggy coastal area, where the air smells like salt and the humidity is so great the granite walls would sweat like the Wall. I can't go there anymore, much like her. I think it could grow, and if you could barely grow vegetables there, a lemon tree would be the ideal, vitamin C and all that.
And the idea of lemon trees being outrageous could be propaganda by the rich, to hide that they have acces to vitamins the poor could never afford to keep alive.
And you can keep fires in winter to warm trees, lots of places used to do it, and it adds to the idea of an opulent custom the powerful hide from the scurvy riddled peasants.
I had to pause this not halfway through. This channel is so wonderful, and this conversation about the Lemon Tree has been a continuing thought
It's totally plausible that the lemon tree is in Braavos. Here in Buenos Aires it is very common to have a lemon tree on every other house, on the summer we have 30°c - 37°c but in the winter it gets as cold as 0° - 5° and the lemon trees survive just fine.
@@juanmanuellatorre6779 lemon trees might do fine IRL in those temperatures, but within the text of the story, George has specifically gone out of his way multiple times to say that lemon trees don’t grow in cold climates within the story. If he didn’t want those hints to be there, he could have very well not put them in, but he did. Whether lemon trees can or can’t survive brief low temperatures is less the point, the point is the author is telling us that they do not grow there. Which then leads us to re examine Dany’s other memories, none of which are compatible with anything we know about Braavos
The lemon tree is a sign that Lem Lemoncloak is the real 'prince who was promised'.
😱
I totally thought you made that character up as a joke only to look it up and find out that’s it’s real.
It’s kinda sad how far house Targaryen has fallen from its height that it enjoyed just before the dance of the dragons.
Grrm likes the idea of once great powers being greatly reduced over time and then having a character get a cold reality check about any misconceptions
@@st3pp3nw0lf86 no you
@@awesomehpt8938 yea lol. It's always creepy when some rando just goes all hostile on you. I pity people like that as they're invariably miserable
@@st3pp3nw0lf86Ah man did they enjoy the GRRM lore? Did that hurt you?
@@st3pp3nw0lf86 Yeah I agree that real life is tragic. But a random person on the internet enjoying a brief escape from real life to enjoy a book is a bad thing?
It is a testament and compliment to Emilia Clarke that, although many other attractive men and women have portrayed Targaryens in various flashback sequences or in HotD, she is the only one who really manages to attain that ethereal, other-worldly, mysterious and captivating beauty that Targaryens are supposed to have. And it's not just a matter of her physical appearance, but she has a presence and gravitas to most of her scenes that somehow... Makes everyone sharing scenes with her seem somehow dim and less vibrant than she herself.
This is not meant as a slight to any other actors and actresses in the two shows, but Emilia Clarke is an incredible natural beauty and a talented actress who I hope has a long and storied career.
Okey dokey
I also think this applies to Viserys’s actor too, when I think of Targaryen, he and Dany in the first scene come to mind perfectly
Agreed. And the fact she was acting with TWO brain aneurysms going on was just nuts.
The kid who plays Aemond comes close, but I agree that he's not on her level. (He would be great for one of the Sons of Feanor if they're ever able to adapt the Silmarillion.)
@@typacskyeah! Plus he’s a brilliant actor.
Dany has always had my heart... More so than any of the other characters. I pray she finds home in the end🌹🌹🌹truly
I used to think that every image Daenerys had of a safe house, of a home, molded into one image, that never really existed.
There wasn't a single house with a red door and a lemon tree growing outside Dany's window, as she had to move from one place to another, to stay safe from Robert Baratheon's assassins, but there was a house that had a lemon tree in a private garden that she could sit and look out, and a different house had a red door, that if the assassins ever found her, she could run back to, shut behind her and be safe.
Now I think she was probably kept in a private wing of the Sealord's Palace, and the red door was likely out of the way and only used by servants and secret guests, and when she was 'thrown out', she brushed her hand against it, saying goodbye, before her brother pulled her away.
The problem with there just being a lemon tree in Braavos after the story telling us multiple times that a lemon tree in Braavos is preposterous is that it's not a satisfying payoff. The books are setting this up like it's going to be a big deal that leaves the reader saying "Wow, this completely changes things" , but the sealord of Braavos being involved isn't anything notable as a reveal.
The fandom set it up as a big thing, mostly because we’re starved for new content so we overanalyze everything. The books just hint at some discrepancy in Danny’s retelling, it doesn’t need a huge pay off.
@@lostvarius I never said it needed a "huge" payoff, but it needs something big enough to go with the repeated reminders that Braavos is not exactly flush with fruit trees. Having the explanation be that it was the former sealord's garden is a non-payoff because it just means she was exactly where she thought she was and everything was exactly as a first time very casual reader would be expected to assume long before the book repeatedly emphasized the general lack of lemon trees.
Honestly, I'd prefer her to have been the guest of the Sealord. To me "Danny's entire backstory is a lie" is far more unsatisfactory than "Danny was safe with Sealord A (who may re-enter the story) until he was deposed/replaced by Sealord B". Occam's razor doesn't have to apply in fiction, but it's unsatisfactory when it doesn't.
Always supposing we ever get an explanation in Winds, which clearly isn't a given.
This is cool because Dorn is SO much more important in the books than in the show
Great research as always my guy. I bet it was at at the Sea Lords palace. Having citrus trees head been a flex for thousands of years. They are small enough to keep in containers and move or cover to avoid freezing.
Yep. Any knowledge of citrus history in Europe (or European climate in fake worlds) would point to courtyards as the place where they grow, like the orangeries at Versailles and all over England. I would guess that the only reason King's Landing doesn't have noteworthy citrus courts is a literary one - GRRM didn't want to muddy the waters regarding Dany's memories.
Funnily enough, even Doran Martell uses courtyards to grow the more delicate blood oranges in the arid heat in Dorne whereas lemons are stable enough to grow in natural groves. It's crazy how much natural detail is in these books.
Well, definitely explore more to the story about the lemon tree and the red door because it makes sense hopefully in the final two books if it ever comes fingers crossed 🤞
It's never getting finished. All these hanging storylines that George has tantalised us with are just red herrings, cool ideas/ brainfarts that he wrote into the manuscript. They're going nowhere.
I think we'll get the whole picture from people like Arya listening at doorways in Braavos and Arianne Martel listening to her father's failed schemes. But Dany will never get to remember it properly.
Winds of Winter will be finished, maybe we get the answer there. A Dream of Spring is another matter.
I love your videos robert ❤ they mean so much to me - been struggling with health issues and your breakdowns have taken me though surgeries, long recoveries and rest.
So Doran supported Viserys the whole time but left him as the Beggar King once the Sea Lord kicked them out? Dany remembers a humble house, not an extravagant garden, you’d think there’d be more than just a lemon tree in the Sealord’s exotic collection. Dany doesn’t remember any of Bravo’s near constant rain or fog or the deafening roar of the Titan multiple times a day. I my opinion it’s just too much of a stretch for the Lemon Tree just to be a symbol of Dorne, who have done nothing for Dany.
It wasn't the Martells helping Daenerys to hide in Dorne. It was the Daynes and the House with the Red Door is somewhere in the Red Mountains, probably High Hermitage. R+L=D and B+A=J.
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No, Dany is a targaryen because else viserys would have said something@@parastroika2393
There are lemon trees that can survive freezes as well as people can grow them in containers. One of the strategies to keep cold weather citrus alive is to grow it next to a brick wall facing the sun. The bricks store and radiate heat raising the temperature.
In maximum subverted expectations Daenerys is Daenerys Brightflame from Lys, Aegon is Aegon Blackfyre and the only Targaryen is called Jon Snow.
Great vid as always IDG , i have long agreed with your views regarding Dany and the lemon tree / house with the red door from previous videos , livestreams and discussions etc. There are of course some curious elements at work , perhaps should have remembered and mentioned other aspects one living in Braavos would surely remember. But a lot of favorable evidence as well - the decor she remembers would line up with the Sealord's Palace , which would also have well tended gardens and trees and such structures that line up with her memories. Also being potentially politically valuable / formerly quite powerful family and could be used for important purposes at some point would make sense for Dany and Viserys to be under the direct care and protection of the Sealord for a time. The Sealord as the witness of the agreement also quite suggestive . The upheaval and quickly being tossed out lines up with the cutthroat / often regime change type politics of Braavos as well. And even if not the best climate for lemon trees surely one well tended could survive in Braavos for a bit as its not incredibly cold and / or harsh there either.
But most important is what the lemon tree / house with the red door represents to and for Dany (also mentioned in this vid) and sheds quite a bit of light into Dany's true character. Surely DT is much more than a conqueror (at times a ruthless one at that, as required) ; the house with the red door is a longing for home , security , protection / safety , family and peace. I suspect her longing for certain aspects mentioned will likely be partially tested with the fAegon situation for example. But these are clear longings and desires of Dany's that are engrained and should persevere through her upcoming challenges ; especially as she has been used and taken advantage of and under threat most of her life. Those longings are imo quite suggestive of her true nature as a person / character.
8:04 ooooh, the Sealord! Perhaps also tied into where Dany’s three eggs came from…
I live in North Canterbury and we have just had 2 consecutive nights of -5°c and a week of cooler weather, people are not even wrapping their lemon trees.
"I see a red door and I want to paint it black" - Wherever her childhood home is, she is gonna burn it down before the end.
ASOIAF turns out to be the longest build up ever for a song homage
the eyeroll I just did at this comment.
Thanks
You went down the path i had in my head. Now I want to get that map out!! I need to frame them. Love this video. His menagerie 😁💚
Hello, Robert. Love your channel and commentary. You get it on things others commenting on GRRM saga stuff completely miss. Thank you for literal ***YEARS*** of insightful and intelligent commentary. You also DON'T assume that your subscribers are somehow brain dead ... because we aren't. It takes intellect to retain all the minutiae that comes along with the Epic.
If the sea lord had the three dragons eggs, he may have welcomed a pair of Targaryen children that may be able to hatch them. I believe they were hidden her room as cradle eggs.
Awesome deep cut ! Thanks Robert 🎉
Life didn't give us lemons. We bred them ourselves. So when life gives you lemons, blame that guy.
🎶"I'm gonna burn it down, and grow me something better!"🎶
Awesome! I like how you put it all together
This is why I love this channel
Love this perspective! Thanks for the deep dive
Just wanted to say thank you, love all of your videos
I wonder how, I wonder why
Yesterday you told me 'bout the blue, blue sky
And all that I can see is just another lemon tree
I'm turning my head up and down
I'm turning, turning, turning, turning, turning around
And all that I can see is just another lemon tree
Oh my God, Fools Garden! That takes me way back
appreciate it
LEMONGATE FOREVER!
Some rich people could just have them in their garden. We see that in our world as well.
George R.R. Martin has admitted (multiple times) that this kind of thing is one of his favorite things about writing. He loves leaving little clues and red herrings and seeing what people pick up on. Ultimately, he likes to give us things to discuss like this. Mysteries to solve.
And he likes procrastination
Or he uses that as an excuse for poor writing so credulous fans lap up his brilliance.
@@peterg9729 Trying to call narrative choices and the dropping of subtle hints "bad writing" just might be the best demonstration of a complete lack of writing knowledge that I've ever seen. It's really a bit like comparing apples and oranges, only more inane. It almost feels like a desperate lashing out. Especially that, upon seeing my comment about a remark Martin made about what he enjoys writing, and you felt compelled to call him a bad writer, lol. Firstly, both good and bad writers can and do use such plot devices. One has nothing to do with the other. And you can certainly enjoy writing them as either, too, which is what my comment was about. Second, what credentials and/or expertise is it that you have which makes you qualified to judge someone's writing? How many more books have you sold than him? It must be a lot. What're the names of the books you've had published, again? And which ones were adapted into a premium cable series? I'd love to compare… 🤡
lol! Well said! Well said! What a smart way to put someone in their place! Thank you for that!
There's a load of references to lemons in Asoiaf. Lemons symbolise luxury, wealth, freshness, beauty, purification, status, beauty, bittersweet, love, healing and longevity. The negative side of lemon symbolism are defective and imperfection.
There is a method of growing fruit trees called Espalier, where the trees are trained against a building, wall, or fence. Training against a building can allow you to grow trees slightly outside of your climate range by radiating heat during the Winter months. Russians also grew lemon trees in trenches that were covered with wood and cloth in Winter to shelter against the cold.
Well, a lemon is bitter and it’s sweet smell so the ending to Daenerys story is bittersweet grrm planning to all this story
More sour but i see what you're going for
I think that symbolism can also be applied to the (extremely relatable) bittersweet memory of a safe childhood she can never return to. Very good reading of the lemon symbolism!
@@ThommyofThennlemons are definitely bitter as well as acidic/sour
Edit: oh hey, are you northerntommy when viewing the livestreams?? I like reading your comments!
@@Levacque the peel is very bitter 😖 t. Have foolishly tried to peel a lemon with my teeth once
@@Levacque and yes, thank you very much 🤠
There are a few facts that connect Dany with Dorne. First her own name , cause she was named after,possibly the only Targaryen that was beloved by the Martell family and well considered by the dornish people . Second, her eyes, the color of her eyes reminded ser Barristan of Ashara Dayne, even thinking that she could have been her daugther. And third , the lemon tree, Dorne seems the only place were lemon trees can grow in Westeros. she actually has Dayne ancestry as Jon.
Plus, in the books, Dany is still a child. So, of course she longs for the safety she only briefly knew.
“There Are No Lemon Trees in Braavos” sounds like the name of a Carmen Miranda song.
Here I was thinking why a lemon tree is so special, they are in the backyards of plenty of people I know. But I do live in Australia, so I had no idea they didn't grow in the cold.
My lemon tree just boomed over winter in Melbourne Australia, gets as cold as 2C and I just picked over 20kg
The Dragon does not crave peace and safety, only Fire & Blood!
A Lemontree Grows in Sunspear
Enjoying the remake of your old videos!
I kind of see the symbolism, the red door is a contrast to Jesus red robe and the Lemon Tree of Braavos that Dany dreamed about could be Christian allegory to the Garden of Eden . When the Cherub With the Flaming Sword drew away Adam and Eve from Paradise. I am pretty sure Eve would have certainly dreamed about Eden and thought of returning home much like Dany. The bible said that "where your heart is, your treasure will be also"
The book even talks about "Sicilian lemon", what makes me think that Sicilia is a part of Westeros.
Red Door is or was in Dorne! She was the baby in the Tower Door.
Nice!
So glad to see some non-HotD content.
Maybe it’s just George telling us about his love of lemon pie.
It does make me wonder if, like the North of Westeros, could Braavos have some hot-spring action? It certainly appears to have some Weirwood and tunnel connections!
I actually feel bad for Viserys. He was just a boy trying to keep his baby sister alive after losing everything. If Rhaegar had won the throne and raised his siblings they both would have been much better people
This makes me hope for her to survive at the end of the series so she can find safety and comfort and love.
Rich Braavosi dude imported a bit of dirt and planted a tree for fun.
Set a large matte painting of a pastoral field scene behind it.
I always wondered why Dairy didn't reach out to The Martels before he died. Surely he knew he wouldnt live forever. He needed allies to ensure their safety if something happened to him. Right. lol IDK. just a thought.
Quentyn shoulda gave her a lemon.
I think Preston's "Lemongate" makes more sense. HOTD even gives a nod to this.
People just love to see what they want to see. That so-called "nod" in HOTD was a line specifically about a flower growing and flourishing in a climate where you *wouldn't* expect it to, and the picture in the background was an *orange* tree.
Preston is a nitwit that makes things up.
@@TransKidRevolutionHe is a smart man and I used to like his theories and his channel but now he just seems so negative about everything. It makes it a total drag to watch/listen to. So, yes, I agree with your summation of him! 😜
Interesting. I always wondered why Danny didn't stay and take over Essos. It's bigger, it could be just as wealthy in minerals and metals and fertile for agriculture. I think it would be very interesting to see the Targaryan Dynasties subdue and rule over Essos, gather their strength and develop dragon breeding again and then take over Westeros.
Braavos... helping Valyrians?
Tough to fathom, but I might guess that his friendliness with Targaryens was the reason that particular sealord was removed.
right?
Of course will be a tentativeness and wariness but also surely some common ground would be found with their anti-slavery views above all else. They i would expect would come to realize she is not the typical Valyrian / dragon-rider.
"Let's not get burnerized for funding the guy who kept trying to kill her."
The lemon tree doesn’t sound like a small potted lemon tree in a greenhouse. It sounds like her room is on the second floor with branches coming near her large window. Giving her room the feel of a tree house. As if her room was in its branches. There is the lemon scent but also many other stronger perfumes in the air. Outside the stone home are sunny fields to run in. With other stone houses all around. The door of the house is red. She is always running out playing. The sick man would need quiet. She would be quiet when she visited him. Then leave the house to play. The door was red when it shut and she left for the last time…. The Tree and the Door….If Dany would go to Braavos it would be interesting to see her confusion and her questioning….
ALWAYS GREAT TOPICS👑🐉🖤 Thank you Robert. I saw an article that Bloodraven is making an appearance in finale!🤔that would be great. I hope they actually make him look like BR. As much as they spend, not even an eye patch? Same with Euron
I always saw the lemon tree as a metaphor for Dany. She can survive somewhere like Braavos, but she won't thrive there and can be much more, if she returns to where she comes from.
Oh I like that comparison!
I think she was is Dorne but either in High Hermitage or Starfall
the lemon tree could also be in a greenhouse.
Now that I think of it, with the nature of long summers and winters in the world, I would think it makes sense that the ultra wealthy would invest in greenhouses for lucrative and prestigious crops that otherwise wouldnt survive the long winters.
Meyers lemons grow in climates colder than that.
Northern California, both on the coast and somewhat inland gets colder than that in the winter and spring and Meyers lemons grow extremely well, and some other types of lemons grow decently well too.
"What do you mean Baratheon "Regime", they won by conquest!" XD
Lol ikr
Not sure what you think the word regime means....
I always thought it could either be in the Reach in Hightower Lands along the honeywine, Lys, or somewhere in Dorne.
Lys has always been a place where you could find the bastards of Valyria, House Hightower and Dayne have a lot of traits that are alike to Valyrians and it’s likely the populace on said houses lands should be similar.
There is a snippet in the original draft that said she grew up in Tyrosh which gives very obvious connections to the Blackfyre’s and it is said within the books she speaks Valyrian with a Tyroshi Accent. Which is strange for someone supposedly educated in Valyrian by Viserys. But that could be because she just developed the accent from sailing on the many ships.
Great video!
Citrus plants, lemons and oranges etc, are a usual staple of sea fairing people. They prevent scurvy. Just a point as to why this house might have a Lemon Tree. A home with a Sailor.
What do you think to the related theory that the man she remembers dying wasn't actually Willem Darry? She remembers him having soft hands, quite unlike those you would expect a hands-on, battle-hardened master at arms to have. Just another little flavour to add to this inconsistently-remembered lemon soup. 😁
lemon tree i could get, u need just a little soil and warm weather. but its first time i hear about green fields. that makes it not bravos. i always imagined it as a single tree on bare ground and high walls around the house so no one from the city could see them. and now it turns out it was all a lie in my head.
Damn you, In Deep Geek team! Just when I come to terms with waiting a few more years for Winds of Winter, you get me fired up with some foreshadowing and political intrigue. You guys are officially dead to me. (P.S. in all seriousness, keep up the great work-love the videos).
Bravos seems to be the right answer but there is one detail that keeps bugging me about it. Namely the other memory Daenerys has about running barefoot through firlds of gras to reach the red door. Sure, this could be a childs memory of a lawn turned into wast fields. But it still feels odd that she remembers the field but no structures, bushes or other things one would find in a park, or even more in a big greenhouse.
@@alexissandren1884 The lack of any mention regarding the Titan's roar strikes me as particularly conspicuous tho. That'd surely be a clear part of a kid's memory of Braavos, no?
@@haerverk If she was in Bravos from a very young age, the roar can have been such a normal everyday sound for her that when she became old enough to form memories it didn't stand out.
@@alexissandren1884 That's not how real Human memories work.
It's possible she was outside the city proper, on the mainland. The Bravos probably have territory surrounding the city itself for farmland, etc. Dany being raised in a small farming village in effectively the middle of nowhere seems like a better place to hide her then in the city proper.
This is the writing, and reporting, that I love about GOT. Small details with profound consequences.
Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
Do you think Dany will discover the truth of the lemon tree?
Also, is it possible that she was housed in Dorne during this time, as opposed to a Dorne - friendly ally?
House Tully may be more magical than we think? Is it possible they are shapeshifters as well? Scottish myth has a good double handful of examples of humans shifting into fish, in particular salmon. And back again. Does Martin hint at this ability? Remember the blackfish escaping river run? Caitlyn surviving post-murder in a river for days.
I find it more likely that Dany is wrong about where the "house with the red door" is re: ASOIAF's unreliable narrators. But, since we don't have an answer to that, it's fun to theorize one way (she's right about where the lemon tree and house with the red door is) or another (she's wrong about the tree and house).
Unreliable narrator -> she's wrong. QED.
I do look forward to the fireworks of the Braavos/Arya plot, whichever way it turns out. Ty so much for the content. It's always thought provoking, well researched, and sooooo re-watchable.
Sounds like Drone or Highgarden. How old was Viserys when he first left Dragonstone? Maybe he's repeating a story he was told.
Hey where's the Robert's Rebellion series? Those were my favorites 😢 will they be re-uploaded or loaded somewhere else?
Dorne watergardens
Your voice at the very start reminded me of Roy Dotrice for some reason
I completely agree!
All you need is lots of sun and it not get below freezing
10:45 we have different definitions of politely. She literally compares him to a frog.
@8:39 At the close of the Rebellion, it would also be several years (2 or 3) until Joffrey's birth, so Robert's heir was Stannis, who was unwed at the time, and after him Renly, who was also unwed. So back then it was TBD if the Baratheon royal family was going to establish itself and continue being the new dynasty