SHOW TIME-STAMPS 00:00 Intro 00:56 “You Are Not So Smart” With David McRayney 10:12 Jacob-IL | Visions Of Godly Animals 32:09 Arthur-(EUR) | Zero Evidence Beliefs 40:01 Josiah-CA | Evidence, Evolution, And Dreams 1:12:09 Dan-(RO) | Believing The Apostle Paul 1:17:17 God (Sirha)-CT | I Am BEYOND Your Puny Human Reason! 1:20:28 Marie-VA | The Bible VS Reality
On Marie, Matt has got too do more of Bible contradictions. By reading verse by verse in the Bible too Marie he just literally stopped her argument in her tracks done game over she tried too come back but was shot down too the viewers. To be the best debater in history of atheism Matt needs too do more of this during his debates. Chrisitians can't get around Matt reading from there man made book
@@2gointruth ; Why exactly would a spirit deity enjoy the scent of burning animal flesh ? How exactly would a spirit even have a sense of smell ? Do spirits sometimes suffer from sinus congestion ? How exactly does the scent of burning animal flesh make its way to the spirit realm ? How exactly do people living in this the modern world, in modern times, still believe in things like spirits, when in fact, the people who believe in spirits can't even say for sure what the hell a spirit is ? Also, why on earth would you believe a deity who is perfect and all loving, would also create a devil, hell and evil ? Finally, while I admittedly do not know a great deal about becoming a better person, I do know that anyone who in this modern age, believes that justice demands that people be judged and punished for the wrong doings of people who lived thousands of years ago, does not know the first damn thing about being a good person, much less becoming a better person !
@@2gointruth Mindlessly quoting bible verses and accepting the premise that the bible is the inspired word of a perfect supernatural deity, who also enjoys knowing that animals are being burnt alive, for his glory, will not make a better person out of anyone. Get real dude ! Now, answer my question concerning just how it is that a spirit would or could enjoy the scent of burnt animal flesh, or else be muted !
; According to the bible I was made in the image of god, correct ? According to the bible, god is a perfect being, correct ? Now if I was in fact made in the image of a perfect being, then the truth of the matter is, I to am damn near perfect, therefore I have no need to become a better person ! Case closed, you can go back to explaining how the sensory organs of spirits work now !@@2gointruth
@@2gointruth you can't be a good person while following anything in the bible. It is a book filled with lies, hatred and ignorance, not only that it has been rewritten, translated and edited to the point there's not left of the original writings which btw we don't have
Callers: 10:15 - Jacob, IL: "I'm not an atheist because we have a conscience" 32:09 - Arthur, EU: "Can you believe something without evidence?" 40:00 - Josiah, CA: "How do we know we're interpreting the evidence in the best way?" 1:12:08 - Dan, RO: "Why don't we just believe the apostles?" 1:17:11 - Someone Cosplaying As God, CT: [Multi-syllabic nonsense and then I rightfully get hung up on] 1:19:07 - Super Suspicious Arhum, AU: "God isn't a being" 1:20:26 - Marie, VA: "I don't believe the big bang theory and Genesis are in conflict"
Yeah so there was this horse, and it turned around on commands, and it stood up, and the horse went to my spot I was originally in, and the horse... Matt: Is the horse relevant to what you saw in reality? OH NO, not at all, the horse has absolutely nuttin to do with nuttin. IDIOT. :D
@@kimsland999 he had this dream so he went to the woods met a guy (Omg a human being at a beautiful place the madness 😂) and of course no horses at all but it is his dream come true. So if I dream that I win the lottery the dream comes true if I play the lottery even if I don't win?!
@@stephjovi Yeah its all correlation doesn't automatically mean causation. What about all the parents that prayed their child wouldn't die? Or the people who prayed for rain or even a sign that they could hold onto and got nothing. If this God is true he's the worst monster ever. If I won lotto the first thing I'd do is come on here and say: Wow who knew calling a God bitch and a piece of shit for so long would pay off, clearly the coward got scared. MY correlation would be that I and others did good in spite of any claimed God. Why that's just like science and reason.
@Pretty Paul Roma Right? I rolled my eyes at the part where he goes "You'll find this really interesting..." and I'm like "GET TO THE FUCKING POINT ALREADY!"
Grand Inquisitors have a lot of things they say and interrogate for, but Matt isn't a Grand Inquisitor. I don't know if Matt graduated High School, or just has a GED but I do know he frankly admits he has no higher education. Let's say he graduated High School, he should post his grades at the beginning of his videos instead of Shelly Segal's theme song. Say that I need to be saved Say with me the devils got his way I want to know how when you are praying And when you are dooms-daying How you think you know that someone is listening to what you are saying Dilldo-hunty still has this theme song up when he was dooms-daying and denying the validity, claiming you all had your fingers in your ears, and doomsday is upon us all and we warned you, and Matt still has up this theme song. How can anyone take this guy serious about anything he says? Have his theme song *_call me!_*
@@NyxSilver8 what does his education level have to do with whether your God is real? Lol. Your God has not demonstrated himself, it herself. Dooms day is a man made idea. This world will inevitably have an end, and your christian God ideas will be buried right along with humanity. Lol
@@NyxSilver8 What the fuck does your reading speed have to do with anything? The answer is nothing. It has nothing to do with the argument as to whether or not your god is real. Stop with the ad fucking hominem attacks and actually present some evidence for once. And, by the way, Grand Inquisitors were a christian thing, not an atheist thing. So your little analogy makes zero sense.
"SCIENCE If you don't do mistakes, you're doing it wrong. If you don't correcting those mistakes, you're doing it really wrong. If you can't accept that you're doing mistakes, you're not doing it at all." -Aron Ra
I gotta give it up to Marie for her sense of confidence (or delusion). Despite having been proven wrong, she keeps rolling with the punches. By the way Marie, when you say (at 1:31:22)that you have a problem with life being evolved from single cellular organisms, you should know that you too are 'created' by mating of just 2 cells (one sperm cell and one ovum cell).
I had a dream a Josiah rang up and bored the shit out of everyone, therefore proving the idiocy of a god that would reveal itself via such moronic tortured self involved tedious weak proof as a dream where a face (who knows how accurately) was predicted
But, but, the horse turned left at a 42 degree angle and did a jig. I for one think this guy is the real deal as a prophet. Plus, if he can find that dancing horse, outside of his dream, he could make some nice coin on the underground horse-dancing circuit.
@@iyot1020 I dont care if its MLK I would love to listen to anyone dream if it was cool but if you think you're gonna prove the supernatural with a dream Zzzzzzzzzz
Eric Ketzer; We have to wonder; how on earth did the author of Genesis not know that daylight- sunlight, was produced by the sun ?! Perhaps the author of Genesis had been born blind ?
@@Zachorazor1 well just remember that's not the guest fault that they hardly get a chance to speak. Matt loves to be the host. Lol. But there are a few co-hosts that he has on that are very intellectual and I enjoy listening to. At times even more than Matt. Especially when Matt (because of how they handle the situation) starts throwing his little temper tantrums.
@@jries77 I certainly didn't imply that that it was the guest who limited his own time. But I don't see Matt's behavior as tantrums. I honestly don't know how he can listen to and rebut the same arguments for 15 years, without literally exploding, though.
"wElL a ReFlEcToR iS jUsT aNoThEr LiGhT" *Note to myself: do not give them ideas* EDIT: And it's reflecting what? Oh yeah the Sun so the Bible would still be wrong because the Sun would already be there
@Polly Ticks You could also argue that artificial is the definition for man-made so by definition the moon forming from the rest of a another planet is just as natural as an island forming after a volcano eruption: both are born naturally from natural cataclysmic events
People accuse Matt of being short with callers... Josiah is the perfect example of him being the most patient person I've ever seen. How long are you gonna sit there and listen to someone go on about nonsense? How many times must he and the cohost as to just tell them what he wants to tell them before losing their cool? I wouldve hung up long before he did so kudos Matt.
There has been precisely one time in history when someone started a sentence with "I have a dream" that hasn't been complete gobbledegook. And Josiah's conversation was not that time.
Geez, my worlds are colliding. I’ve watched Atheist experience for years, I’ve been on Modern Rogue twice and now I find out David, Matt and Brian are all friends! WOW
Jacob seems to think that people have only two choices: believe in logic or believe in emotion. That's not how this works because if you're logical, you will acknowledge the value of emotion. That DOESN'T mean you get to make shitty excuses for a belief in god.
10:13 Jacob - Person in a coma had a vision of animals next to god and had eyes all over them, which is in the bible, but he hadn't read that part yet, which made him believe that it might be true... Emotions come from somewhere other than the brain. People care about science when their lives are on the line. Pantheism. 32:09 Arthur (Somewhere in Europe) - Is believing in/assuming something despite 0 evidence a problem/possible? 40:01 Josiah (California) - How do we know we're interpreting evidence correctly? Scientific debate on evolution? 50:45 - Matt explains how science works. Josiah's evidence for god - he dreamt of a man, then met that man. 1:12:09 Dan (Romania) - Why shouldn't we believe the story of Paul (Damascus experience) and the apostles? 1:17:16 god - Claims to have transcended reason. Matt hangs up. 1:19:09 Arem (Australia) - god isn't a being. Arem hangs up. 1:20:27 Marie (Virginia) - Doesn't believe the Big Bang Theory conflicts with genesis, denies evolution, gets schooled.
So they spent one-third of today's show (30 min) on Josiah, a rambling creationist ignoramus. After reading the comments, I saved myself the trouble of listening to the whole call and skipped to the next one. IDK why they let these trolls eat up the show's time, it's frustrating! 🙄🙄🙄
Actually, I really wanted to hear how the dream ended! Not that I think his dream had any impact on anything outside of his brain, or that it would be evidence for anything supernatural, but I found the story alluring in a strange way.
There's a weekly half hour CBC radio show about advertising called "Under the Influence" hosted by Terry O'Reilly (an advertising big wig) in which the opening theme music is overlayed by a collage of some of the most famous advertising lines of the last 60 years or so. "You're soaking in it" is one of them. It's a show much, much more interesting than most imagine it could be. You'll wonder where the yellow went la la la la la la Pepsodent. ha haaaaa Probably something to do with the origin of my vigorous drive to avoid all advertising... and I'll bet that in turn has something to do with the political differences between me and my neighbors, especially the ones who hold use of the mute button to be a violation of the social contract. Of course, they could be just plain old jingle addicted. I don't know. They refuse to talk about it.
10:13 Jacob - Person in a coma had a vision of animals next to god and had eyes all over them, which is in the bible, but he hadn't read that part yet, which made him believe that it might be true... Emotions come from somewhere other than the brain. People care about science when their lives are on the line. Pantheism. 32:09 Arthur (Somewhere in Europe) - Is believing in/assuming something despite 0 evidence a problem/possible? 40:01 Josiah (California) - How do we know we're interpreting evidence correctly? Scientific debate on evolution? 50:45 - Matt explains how science works. Josiah's evidence for god - he dreamt of a man, then met that man. 1:12:09 Dan (Romania) - Why shouldn't we believe the story of Paul (Damascus experience) and the apostles? 1:17:16 god - Claims to have transcended reason. Matt hangs up. 1:19:09 Arem (Australia) - god isn't a being. Arem hangs up. 1:20:27 Marie (Virginia) - Doesn't believe the Big Bang Theory conflicts with genesis, denies evolution, gets schooled.
The dishonesty of creationism never fails to amuse me. I've heard this deliberate misunderstanding of Mary Schweitzer's work spouted on several calls to various call in shows. Do these people really never even consider doing a simple google search of her to check they aren't just repeating a lie before they phone in?
The most dishonest part to me is do these theists truly believe? There are over 1000 ways to off yourself without it being considered suicide. Why are they still here and not on an express train to the afterlife?
Jacob's near death story sounds a lot like either The Boy Who Came Back from Heaven (the main character of which admitted it was a fraud after 11 years and $25 million earned in book sales), or "Heaven Is for Real."
I went unconscious in a bike crash last year and had a psychedelic experience that was similar to NDE in some ways. It was peace and bliss, kaleidoscope colors, and a huge sense of loss when I came to. The brain's capable of sending you on a wild ride. It's why you need science and critical thinking to tell you what's actually what.
I really feel there are a new class of caller called "Time Waster". Matt correctly tried to get Josiah to state WTF was his dream, and it kept diverting and meandering.
Jacob said that most people are not interested in studying science? Well, most people are not interested in reading the bible as it is a hard read. But, my question is how could Christians live their lives based on a book they have never read?
Dang. I was hoping "God" would be a little more of a performance piece. Unfortunately, he had the failure from the get-go that he wasn't able to properly speak into his receiver, resulting in distortion on every hard "P."
And God should not be restricted to using current man made communication technology. He should be able to speak directly to the hosts and the audience without having to call in on a phone! Maybe he is not as powerful as the believers claim.
Josiah, tell people the dream. Don't give a preamble, don't do your play by play explanation. If you want people to know it, TELL THEM, and then you guys can discuss it. But no offense intended, but some people don't care what you dream, especially after they explained in detail why it is irrelevant and not interesting.
i nominate matt for the position of god... at least we know the axp hotline if ever we need matt, our lord and savior, to grace us with his presence... if matt is not there, we can at least talk to his angels, the axp staff...
@@nollattacykel who says anything about worship? there were a lot of greek gods that were never worship, there were a lot of norse gods that were never worshipped and even mocked and made fun of. at the very least, matt is a rational god, if ever he accepts the position... true, he isn't the best candidate, and he isn't perfect either, but hey, we can at least confirm his existence. that a big advantage we have over other theists...
@Slippery Storm uhh... huh? how is matt talking on the phone, not evidence of his existence? and the god i am presenting is just a title. not a race or anything... kinda like the governor or mayor or president, its just a title... but, hey, matt has every right to accept or refuse... just thought he would be a much better alternative god to the ones other theists believes in... i mean, we can account for his existence... heck we can phone him if ever matt screws up as a god...
@@markjamie4002 Exactly! In the first-, second-, and third-person projection, it's entirely unnecessary to tell people (or yourself in the first person experience) "atheism." Same with God, it's unnecessary for me to tell you, "God is necessary." If you can't see it straitway, no amount of cajoling is going to help! Hi Mark, I've got anecdotal evidence too. I made friends here at my condos with a guy named Eric. HE was this ginormous guy (super morbidly obese) who lived on the apartment side and suddenly began roller-skating in the street, constantly dodging traffic. After about 10 months he was fit. No more super morbid obesity. I was with him along most of his journey. I've lost over 100 lbs. We talked a lot about it. He talked to me a lot about a friend he had at college, one of two roommates who was the same size as he was. Eric told me, "You've got to internalize the weight loss." If you can't internalize something like "atheism" and need to tell me you're going to deny me for making an opposing argument then it never existed inside of you. WE have to internalize our beliefs. No one else can ever know our beliefs no matter how strongly we swear to them. Also, if our beliefs mean _anything_ to us then why share them with people who basically hate us? There is no love-loss between us, get it?
I wish i was less dumb. I've had to google the word epistemology like 10 times before i was able to retain the meaning. Everytime there's an "ism" word brought up i always have to go looking for the difenition. no matter how many times i've searched it up
You're in a dispute about God and change it to a dispute about "religion" and *_then_* claim victory by immunity from what you believe and claim to be as "non-religious." Dennett could possibly be more confused than you are.
@@davidwright834 You don't get to do that in the second-person experience. Same person who taught that to me exchanges the word 'experience' with 'projection.' The *_second-person projection._* It's a not so subtle reality that is entirely missed by Dillahunty, Dawkins, Dennett and you. I have my own experinces, I'm the Lord of War, and I'm holy, and Dawkins claims "militant atheism" and can be knocked over by by 15 year old niece. The Grandaughter of the Admiral, one time the most decorated officer in the history of the US Navy, US Navy *Search and Rescue.* My Dad is not just the most prolific Savior in the history of this planet, He's *TOP GUN.* Savior is above what we consider to be the most virulent. I'm not short on virtue or godlike status. Not in the first-, second-, or third-person experience. You don't have to believe in gods to me, but it doesn't change reality to where the word "atheism" has been instantiated or where Dawkins is the Lord of war. My Dad and I *_gave this to Dawkins_* when he was doing junkets for his children indoctrination book _Outgrowing God._ Not quick quick enough obviously.
@@NyxSilver8 Okay, now I know you're fake. You're the granddaughter of the most decorated naval admiral in US Naval SAR History? Okay, which one? Leary or Murphy? Does he still serve in the Navy? I'd like to look up his history to verify that if you don't mind. Your dad is a TOP GUN, huh? Bullshit. Anyone even remotely related to that program knows that its real name is the SFTI Program, or Navy Strike Fighter Tactics Instructor Program. It's like you're taking every Tom Clancy novel and combining it with the likes of the Top Gun and Flight of the Intruder movies. Begone troll!
@@dieseljester I can prove I'm a descendant of a thousand years of Jewish Bankers. I have some of the names of my Family's 50 finance companies and trusts. There are tens of millions of documents in the Inland Empire's recorders offices. You don't even have to pay any money to do the research, find a few hundred thousand of said documents, hire someone locally to do the research for you, but why would you do that? You're winning by condemnation.
When you're dreaming your brain can only show you faces you've actually seen. There is no way anyone believes Josiah actually had that dream. I continue to be amazed at the lengths theists will go to retain their belief.
Theism is a lot of work. One simple question sends a grown up into a long roundabout trip of denials and deflections all just to avoid admitting the fallacies in their heads... Poor Josiah and his dreams
If you look away from the video while David is talking, it's actually Matt Dillahunty featuring Lt. Dangle of the Reno P.D. I wonder if he's also wearing short shorts....
8:25 Matt engages in a moment of self reflection about the difference between epistemology and psychology of belief. Very encouraging. Because, from where I sit, the epistemological question has been answered and has no further room for fruitful inquiry. But on the territory of psychology of belief, a large number of questions remain unanswered, and offer a way forward. Among the questions: (1) Is there anything to be gained from believing things which have either not been proven, cannot be proven, or have been demonstrated to be probably false? (2) Is it ever advantageous to believe things that are false or probably false? (3) What is the source of creativity? (4) Do I want to live in a world in which everyone believes only that which has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt? (5) Is consciousness an emergent property of matter?
Interesting. I’m curious to hear your answers to these questions, and other people’s as well. From where I’m sitting, your question 3 and 5 are within the realm of naturalistic science. They are an exploration of the currently fuzzy connection between neurology and psychology. Questions 1,2,4 are more classically psychological and kind-of 3 versions of the same question, or variations on a theme of the utility of unwarranted belief. I think anyone who wants to propose that unwarranted belief has utility either individually or socially would have to show that these benefits are not achievable any other way and are also worth whatever costs are incurred by the same unwarranted beliefs. I don’t know about you, but that seems to me a pretty heavy task, and one fraught with potential for abuse as well. While I could probably be convinced that abandoning unwarranted belief has some detrimental effects, never-the-less, retaining it hardly seems like human progress. What do you think?
(1) Is there anything to be gained from believing things which have either not been proven, cannot be proven, or have been demonstrated to be probably false? -- Yes, certainly. It is absolutely essential to human progress that people believe things which have not been demonstrated and perhaps cannot be. My favorite example is free will, understood in the narrow sense of being free to will what I will. It has never been proven, and most probably cannot be proven, that there is any possible world in which I am doing something other than typing these words. And yet belief in free will, both on the societal and the individual level, is correlated with greater productivity and creativity than fatalism and determinism. (2) Is it ever advantageous to believe things that are false or probably false? -- Yes, of course. One only need imagine a tribe of nomads who instruct their young that monsters lurk just beyond the sight of the tribal leader. Any child who ventures beyond the leader's sight is immediately consumed by a monster. Is that true? Of course not. Is it advantageous to both the tribe and the individual children? Yes it is. Because children are not yet mature enough to navigate dangers that are subtle and real, they are protected by belief in dangers that are fantastical and false. (3) What is the source of creativity? -- In a word, emotion. Creativity results from an emotional and often irrational leap of faith into the realm of possibility. Inspiration, literally in spirit, is the challenge issued by the irrational to the rational to move beyond what is currently known and demonstrated. (4) Do I want to live in a world in which everyone believes only that which has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt? -- Not just no, but hell no. Such a world would be a living hell, containing no beautiful music, no beautiful painting, no innovative business, no soaring ideas and no progress of any kind. (5) Is consciousness an emergent property of matter? -- I don't think so. In fact, I see no way to solve either the paradox of Cartesian dualism or the paradox of scientific materialism through emergence of consciousness from unconscious matter. On the other hand, material consciousness offers a solution to both problems that is both elegant and simple. But pursuit of that solution involves exactly the kind of leap of faith that I advocate for, and is explicitly rejected by skeptics and materialists.
@@johnfrancis2404 Ok. You are free to your conclusions, and I appreciate your responses, but I would like to offer a respectful, but contradicting, reply: 1) It doesn't seem to me to matter if "free will" exists in some objective sense, especially given that, as you note, it probably can never be proven. However, it seems self evident that I, and everyone else, feel like I have free will and I can't imagine that ever changing. Thus, I'm not exactly "believing in free will" as much as simply acknowledging the obvious facts about my experience of existence in that my decisions feel like my own, even if, in some sense, they aren't. In this case, your mistake is in thinking that the benefits of "believing in free will" can't be achieved in some other way, specifically by re-framing our relationship to and understanding of "free will". 2) Lying to children to keep them safe seems like a trivial example. I can think of numerous similar examples, but in all of them, to follow your example, I can't really demonstrate that the children can't be kept safe without the lie. The lie just seems easiest for the adults. Also, in this case, you are ignoring the detrimental effects of lying to the children. Presumably there are psychological consequences to that which may not be worth whatever the lie is supposed to achieve. 3) If you say so. That's certainly as reasonable a description of "creativity" as any, but it is blatantly metaphorical ("Inspiration, literally in spirit, is the challenge issued by the irrational to the rational", for example), which is unsurprising given that no one really knows, in an operational sense what the "source of creativity" is. As of the current state of our understanding of the brain, it seems a bit premature to conclude it can't and never will be understood, at least partially, in terms of physical brain functions. 4) I don't think you know that. You are just assuming it because you can't imagine otherwise. You may be right, obviously, but for me, I see no reason to think that beautiful music or painting or "soaring ideas" will suffer in any way if all people only believed what was proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Not to be facile, but the appeal of Star Trek, for example, is that it presents a plausible view of just such a world. You just sound to me like a pessimist regarding the nature of of the motivation behind human activity. If its all the same to you, I'll assume that freedom from irrationality will liberate human creativity in ways never before experienced, because...I can. 5) As with creativity, your conclusion that consciousness is not "emergent" seems a bit premature, even if it does turn out to be correct. There is so much about the brain and how it works that is wholly mysterious, and may be for quite some time, perhaps even forever, but that is no reason to posit some kind of "other thing that is not really a thing" type of thing (i.e. "material consciousness", whatever that is). Quite frankly, for my money, "consciousness" is probably like "free will" in the sense that a wholly materialistic explanation of it doesn't detract in any way from my experience of it. And my experience of it is all that matters. In summary, it sounds like you are saying, (not to straw-man, or minimize, but for the sake of brevity) that people need a certain amount of self-deception in order to be happy. Not only do I reject that notion, but it smacks of exactly the "fatalism" that you seem repulsed by. Similarly, your implication that our experience as humans must maintain an aspect of mystery or "leap of faith" is, to be blunt, dehumanizing in its suggestion that understanding how humans work somehow detracts from the experience of being human. Thank you for you question and your post. Although I disagree with you, I do respect your ideas and understand where they are coming from.
"you might not feel that it's inspiring because you know so much about science, but most people don't care about studying that" this reminds me of a mastodon post I saw where somebody called out people not caring about all software having gradually moved into these tightly controlled unusable corporate silos of various kinds (proprietary webapps, app stores, adobe cloud, etc) because they didn't care about the act of writing programs and _somebody_ doing it right, and framed it as "I don't care about cooking, I mostly just eat things like frozen pizza". this caller is like the guy saying it's fine everybody eats frozen pizza because 'most don't want to research where their food comes from'
It was a little disappointing that Jebediah, or whatever his name was got like 15 minutes to *not* talk about a dream about a guy and his horse (Freud would have loved this one...), and God himself only got about 2. At least God was funny.
Matt and David did all the talking, though david was more willing to listen. i had to sit and wait for their "false memory" speeches until i eventually ran out of time. i spoke for maybe 3 or 4 minutes TOPS, while they interjected literally every 20 seconds, and they did all the talking. Also matt immediately dodged the triceratops issue. he can intterupt everyone or mute them, thats why i played nice and let him interupt me for the majority of the call, he never fully let me say what i needed to say, because he has the right to interupt and accused me of not proving evidence for my claims, yet when i tried topresent my case, i was immediately dismissed at around 56:45 before i could ever present my case. and se wasted time talking about "false memorys"
@@josiahgil Matt was skeptical and maybe a bit dismissive because dreams are never evidence of real world truth. You completely missed this point. Even if we believe everything you claimed about the dream. the dream itself is not an explanation of how or why you might have had it.
@@josiahgil you had a fucking dream?, sounds like you never had a fucking dream before ffs, hey I wonder what would happen if you had a wet dream?, would there be horses and big trees in that too?, wow you're way down that religitard rabbit hole, there proof of a god/gods so just give it up.
@@josiahgil He asked you to present your case, over and over. He said explain your dream over and over. It was dismissed because when you finally got around to explaining it, after your preface, and the preface of your preface of your introduction of it, you explained the same part more than once, and although a nice story, it was too long, and so far pointless, to continue on a live show that's supposed to last about an hour, with other people waiting on the line to speak.
@@larjkok1184 "If people didn't claim theism then there wouldn't even be any atheists." typical self-delegated "atheist" religious belief. You need us for you to exist at all, of course we're nothing but shit to you, you need us _to be what you are,_ in order for you exist at all. You need shit as your opponent in order to *_post up!_*
@Supernintendo Chalmers People who turn to God instead of doctors you excoriate, people who need doctors who are also your religious counterparts need the help at your fanatical urgence. Do you ever plan on making an impact in reality by not being a wretched liar with no limit of double standards? If I was mentally ill then I'd go and get help without your insistence, right? I'm not going to be persuaded of some imperfection in my life while your arguments suck shit.
I really believe that a lot of what compels people to religion is the "afterlife" which is very narcissistic and arrogant. Religion kind of plays into todays trends of self-importance and self promotion. I'm surprised that there aren't loads more of religious influencers
To Josiah: I had a dream that was very strange. I’m a very lucid dreamer. My dreams can be so vivid that I can mistake them in memories as real life. When I was a child I had a cousin that I was extremely close to, to this day she is one of my best friends and like my other little sister. She had been living in Thailand for 2yrs with her parents and her mom’s side of the family. Before they left they had always lived in apartments. When they moved back to the US my family went to visit them at the house they had just bought. I knew nothing about the house other than the city it was in, but the night before we went to visit them I dreamed of that house. I dreamed they moved into a ranch style house with a garage separated from the living area by a screened in porch. The porch had a small rip in the screen. The house was red and it sat on the top of a steep hill with a church at the bottom of the hill. The next day we pulled up to a house exactly as I had dreamed of, right down to the tear in the screen. It was surreal, but I didn’t and don’t think I had prophetic powers. It was just a coincidence. Perhaps I had overheard my uncle having a conversation over the phone with my mom, or maybe my grandmother had talked about with my parents while I was distracted and it didn’t register in my conscious mind. Perhaps I had seen the house before and remembered a conversation I’d had with my cousin years prior where we talked about the kind of house we liked. There are so many mundane possibilities that believing something supernatural is just not logical.
Josiah was killing clock. He is the reason call-in shows don't work very well. You get people like Josiah who have nothing better to do in their life than to call and intentionally waste time. Either he thinks he is minimizing Matt's chance to make more atheists or he is just incredibly bored.
no it hasnt, mary schweitzer's theory of the tissue preservation was not applicable as an explination for preservation of this triceratops tissue, because no phenton reaction occured in the cells, which is what mary scheitzers studies proposed. Want me to link you to the man that made the discovery of the soft tussue?
Hey! I remember reading David McRaney's book "You Are Not So Smart" like 7 years ago. That book made me an atheist, and it barely even touched on religion, if at all. I read it because I had an interest in psychology, and ended up realizing how unfounded my reasons for believing were.
SHOW TIME-STAMPS
00:00 Intro
00:56 “You Are Not So Smart” With David McRayney
10:12 Jacob-IL | Visions Of Godly Animals
32:09 Arthur-(EUR) | Zero Evidence Beliefs
40:01 Josiah-CA | Evidence, Evolution, And Dreams
1:12:09 Dan-(RO) | Believing The Apostle Paul
1:17:17 God (Sirha)-CT | I Am BEYOND Your Puny Human Reason!
1:20:28 Marie-VA | The Bible VS Reality
On Marie, Matt has got too do more of Bible contradictions. By reading verse by verse in the Bible too Marie he just literally stopped her argument in her tracks done game over she tried too come back but was shot down too the viewers. To be the best debater in history of atheism Matt needs too do more of this during his debates. Chrisitians can't get around Matt reading from there man made book
@@2gointruth ; Why exactly would a spirit deity enjoy the scent of burning animal flesh ?
How exactly would a spirit even have a sense of smell ?
Do spirits sometimes suffer from sinus congestion ?
How exactly does the scent of burning animal flesh make its way to the spirit realm ?
How exactly do people living in this the modern world, in modern times, still believe in things like spirits, when in fact, the people who believe in spirits can't even say for sure what the hell a spirit
is ?
Also, why on earth would you believe a deity who is perfect and all loving, would also create a devil, hell and evil ?
Finally, while I admittedly do not know a great deal about becoming a better person, I do know that anyone who in this modern age, believes that justice demands that people be judged and punished for the wrong doings of people who lived thousands of years ago, does not know the first damn thing about being a good person, much less becoming a better person !
@@2gointruth
Mindlessly quoting bible verses and accepting the premise that the bible is the inspired word of a perfect supernatural deity, who also enjoys knowing that animals are being burnt alive, for his glory, will not make a better person out of anyone. Get real dude !
Now, answer my question concerning just how it is that a spirit would or could enjoy the scent of burnt animal flesh, or else be muted !
; According to the bible I was made in the image of god, correct ? According to the bible, god is a perfect being, correct ? Now if I was in fact made in the image of a perfect being, then the truth of the matter is, I to am damn near perfect, therefore I have no need to become a better person !
Case closed, you can go back to explaining how the sensory organs of spirits work now !@@2gointruth
@@2gointruth you can't be a good person while following anything in the bible. It is a book filled with lies, hatred and ignorance, not only that it has been rewritten, translated and edited to the point there's not left of the original writings which btw we don't have
"The dream speaks for itself..."
"Get it to call, then!"
LOL love Matt's humour
It sounds like Josiah just fell asleep while playing Minecraft
This guy, David, is awesome with his ability to break down these questions the callers present. I hope he's on again.
Callers:
10:15 - Jacob, IL: "I'm not an atheist because we have a conscience"
32:09 - Arthur, EU: "Can you believe something without evidence?"
40:00 - Josiah, CA: "How do we know we're interpreting the evidence in the best way?"
1:12:08 - Dan, RO: "Why don't we just believe the apostles?"
1:17:11 - Someone Cosplaying As God, CT: [Multi-syllabic nonsense and then I rightfully get hung up on]
1:19:07 - Super Suspicious Arhum, AU: "God isn't a being"
1:20:26 - Marie, VA: "I don't believe the big bang theory and Genesis are in conflict"
Josiah had the most boring dream ever and he somehow drag this out with details that are completely unimportant... damn what a bad storyteller..
Yeah so there was this horse, and it turned around on commands, and it stood up, and the horse went to my spot I was originally in, and the horse...
Matt: Is the horse relevant to what you saw in reality?
OH NO, not at all, the horse has absolutely nuttin to do with nuttin.
IDIOT. :D
OMG. Pass me the pistol now. I can’t take any more.
@@kimsland999 he had this dream so he went to the woods met a guy (Omg a human being at a beautiful place the madness 😂) and of course no horses at all but it is his dream come true. So if I dream that I win the lottery the dream comes true if I play the lottery even if I don't win?!
@@stephjovi Yeah its all correlation doesn't automatically mean causation.
What about all the parents that prayed their child wouldn't die? Or the people who prayed for rain or even a sign that they could hold onto and got nothing.
If this God is true he's the worst monster ever. If I won lotto the first thing I'd do is come on here and say: Wow who knew calling a God bitch and a piece of shit for so long would pay off, clearly the coward got scared. MY correlation would be that I and others did good in spite of any claimed God. Why that's just like science and reason.
@Pretty Paul Roma Right? I rolled my eyes at the part where he goes "You'll find this really interesting..." and I'm like "GET TO THE FUCKING POINT ALREADY!"
Josiah: "the dream can speak for itself."
Matt: "Then have the dream call me."
Grand Inquisitors have a lot of things they say and interrogate for, but Matt isn't a Grand Inquisitor. I don't know if Matt graduated High School, or just has a GED but I do know he frankly admits he has no higher education. Let's say he graduated High School, he should post his grades at the beginning of his videos instead of Shelly Segal's theme song.
Say that I need to be saved
Say with me the devils got his way
I want to know how when you are praying
And when you are dooms-daying
How you think you know that someone is listening to what you are saying
Dilldo-hunty still has this theme song up when he was dooms-daying and denying the validity, claiming you all had your fingers in your ears, and doomsday is upon us all and we warned you, and Matt still has up this theme song. How can anyone take this guy serious about anything he says? Have his theme song *_call me!_*
@@NyxSilver8 what does his education level have to do with whether your God is real? Lol. Your God has not demonstrated himself, it herself. Dooms day is a man made idea. This world will inevitably have an end, and your christian God ideas will be buried right along with humanity. Lol
Any relation to Ray Comfort? He's just as foolish as you.
@@NyxSilver8 so go on the show and refute him. Maybe you could beat him at speed reading! Lmao
@@NyxSilver8 What the fuck does your reading speed have to do with anything? The answer is nothing. It has nothing to do with the argument as to whether or not your god is real. Stop with the ad fucking hominem attacks and actually present some evidence for once.
And, by the way, Grand Inquisitors were a christian thing, not an atheist thing. So your little analogy makes zero sense.
I really hope David will come back. Love his podcast and his contribution to the show.
"By definition, there is a lot that scientists don’t know, because the whole point of science is to explore the unknown." - Smithsonian Magazine
Greg Brothers And, might be unknowable, Hence, my separate post.
"Science knows it doesn't know everything, otherwise it would stop" - Dara O'Briain
"SCIENCE
If you don't do mistakes, you're doing it wrong.
If you don't correcting those mistakes, you're doing it really wrong.
If you can't accept that you're doing mistakes, you're not doing it at all." -Aron Ra
So God called in and got owned. And got hunged up on. My week is complete. Thanks, hosts.
That guy was just a troll douche. Fuck 'em.
Tommyr
You’re kidding? It wasn’t God?
@@larjkok1184 I thought it wass the real god.
@@fishcious Same. He sounded godly.
God: I'm gonna talk about such and such...
Matt: No, you're not.
God backs down and obeys Matt.
Ergo, Matt is actually God.
They wasted too much time with Josiah. He is a loon.
Let alone a flaming idiot talking about spinning horses. 🤣🤣🤣
If they didn't take calls from loons, there would be no show. Welcome. :)
"They wasted too much time with Josiah. He is a loon."
In their defense, they do acknowledge that they prefer theist callers.
These two hosts made an awesome combination!
I gotta give it up to Marie for her sense of confidence (or delusion). Despite having been proven wrong, she keeps rolling with the punches.
By the way Marie, when you say (at 1:31:22)that you have a problem with life being evolved from single cellular organisms, you should know that you too are 'created' by mating of just 2 cells (one sperm cell and one ovum cell).
Anyone that believes we came from two fully grown sapient humans from dirt and a bone deserves to be ridiculed.
I had a dream a Josiah rang up and bored the shit out of everyone, therefore proving the idiocy of a god that would reveal itself via such moronic tortured self involved tedious weak proof as a dream where a face (who knows how accurately) was predicted
I believed his dream. I want to know what the horses represented. Was it good and evil? Ha ha.....how cliche!
Josiah: There is nothing less interesting than listening to other people describe their dreams.
Roger THAT!
I know; it was so fucking dull!
But, but, the horse turned left at a 42 degree angle and did a jig. I for one think this guy is the real deal as a prophet. Plus, if he can find that dancing horse, outside of his dream, he could make some nice coin on the underground horse-dancing circuit.
Can we just stop asking people to tell us their dreams? What does that have to do with anything?
How do the hosts keep a straight face?
"Hi, this is God."
"You're done."
Good job, Matt. Me too 😂
I knew Josiah would be an absolute waste of time as soon as he mentioned that he’d had a dream. Utter bollocks.
I love this platform. Thank you guys for making videos.
“Transrationality” had me rolling on the floor laughing. God damn! Or just regular damn!
Regular damn it!
I was wondering why he needed to use a phone the whole time.
Lmaooo
Josiah: "I had a dream.."
Me: *click "Next caller?"
The dreams are always horrible 🤣
Yeah unless youre MLK if you start an argument with i had a dream im out lol
@@iyot1020 I dont care if its MLK I would love to listen to anyone dream if it was cool but if you think you're gonna prove the supernatural with a dream Zzzzzzzzzz
Really. Any call that starts this way, or ends up at a dream should end immediately.
Can I just say (again) how much I love the intro/outro song! It’s just solid gold from start to finish.
Shelley Segal is great.
@@Skycladatdusk78 - I'm an Aussie so my bias may be showing. But it is great right?
@@riloh58 Yes she really is, she was on an episode of Atheist Experience once with Matt.
About the woman who spoke about Genesis: she obviously doesn't see that the author of Genesis didn't know that the daylight comes from the sun.
Eric Ketzer; We have to wonder; how on earth did the author of Genesis not know that daylight- sunlight, was produced by the sun ?!
Perhaps the author of Genesis had been born blind ?
@@jamesguilford6807But he probably wasn’t born into a world of blind ppl
God came off as arrogant, angry, condescending, and irrelevant. Nothing new.
Maybe it really was god?
God, came off like a dick. Pretty much nailed it.
Reminded me of the bit from Jim Jefferies about god constantly needing people to love him.
VideoAudioDisco09
Is that how you’d describe yourself?
At least no one got smited, at least that we know of
Another really good show and I can't wait to see the co-host again. Really top-notch entertainment and education together.
I dreamed that josiah would string a thought together. Any thought. 😂
Really enjoyed David. Great cohost.
All 45 seconds.
Not complaining, as I'd rather hear Matt, stay on topic, rather than playing at trying to find some soggy middle ground.
@@Zachorazor1 well just remember that's not the guest fault that they hardly get a chance to speak. Matt loves to be the host. Lol.
But there are a few co-hosts that he has on that are very intellectual and I enjoy listening to. At times even more than Matt. Especially when Matt (because of how they handle the situation) starts throwing his little temper tantrums.
@@jries77 I certainly didn't imply that that it was the guest who limited his own time. But I don't see Matt's behavior as tantrums. I honestly don't know how he can listen to and rebut the same arguments for 15 years, without literally exploding, though.
@@jries77 I do miss Tracey's clarity and forthright manner.
Marie, the moon isn’t a light like your bible says; it’s a reflector.
"wElL a ReFlEcToR iS jUsT aNoThEr LiGhT"
*Note to myself: do not give them ideas*
EDIT: And it's reflecting what? Oh yeah the Sun so the Bible would still be wrong because the Sun would already be there
@Polly Ticks Can I be picky and say that technically it's a natural satellite? Please no hate
@Polly Ticks You could also argue that artificial is the definition for man-made so by definition the moon forming from the rest of a another planet is just as natural as an island forming after a volcano eruption: both are born naturally from natural cataclysmic events
Poor Marie was just stuck on a cognitive feedback loop. Something contradicted her bible and so she wasn't able to reconcile it.
@Polly Ticks You've obviously never seen my bike.
Another great show. Another really interesting co-host.
Jacob - IL very big of you being honest and actually listening and answering Matt's questions. Much respect.
People accuse Matt of being short with callers... Josiah is the perfect example of him being the most patient person I've ever seen. How long are you gonna sit there and listen to someone go on about nonsense? How many times must he and the cohost as to just tell them what he wants to tell them before losing their cool? I wouldve hung up long before he did so kudos Matt.
There has been precisely one time in history when someone started a sentence with "I have a dream" that hasn't been complete gobbledegook. And Josiah's conversation was not that time.
Geez, my worlds are colliding. I’ve watched Atheist experience for years, I’ve been on Modern Rogue twice and now I find out David, Matt and Brian are all friends! WOW
Jacob seems to think that people have only two choices: believe in logic or believe in emotion. That's not how this works because if you're logical, you will acknowledge the value of emotion. That DOESN'T mean you get to make shitty excuses for a belief in god.
Timestamp Guy, where are you?
Right??
Video starts at 0:00
10:13 Jacob - Person in a coma had a vision of animals next to god and had eyes all over them, which is in the bible, but he hadn't read that part yet, which made him believe that it might be true... Emotions come from somewhere other than the brain. People care about science when their lives are on the line. Pantheism.
32:09 Arthur (Somewhere in Europe) - Is believing in/assuming something despite 0 evidence a problem/possible?
40:01 Josiah (California) - How do we know we're interpreting evidence correctly? Scientific debate on evolution? 50:45 - Matt explains how science works. Josiah's evidence for god - he dreamt of a man, then met that man.
1:12:09 Dan (Romania) - Why shouldn't we believe the story of Paul (Damascus experience) and the apostles?
1:17:16 god - Claims to have transcended reason. Matt hangs up.
1:19:09 Arem (Australia) - god isn't a being. Arem hangs up.
1:20:27 Marie (Virginia) - Doesn't believe the Big Bang Theory conflicts with genesis, denies evolution, gets schooled.
@@deanmartin1111 Great work Dean! Cheers mate
@@deanmartin1111 Thanks man. You are doing God's work!
So they spent one-third of today's show (30 min) on Josiah, a rambling creationist ignoramus. After reading the comments, I saved myself the trouble of listening to the whole call and skipped to the next one. IDK why they let these trolls eat up the show's time, it's frustrating! 🙄🙄🙄
I think Matt was trying too hard to behave himself infront of David.
yeah I skip when they sound so deluded and unwilling to converse with reason, its a quick show that way!
When "god" calls at 1:17:10 , things did not go according to "god's plan".
Lol.
The only people who care less about your dreams then you, is everybody other than you.
ive been saying this since Martin Luther King started going on about it, we get we all have dreams dude
Parents might be an exception.
thats bad ass! stolen!
Actually, I really wanted to hear how the dream ended! Not that I think his dream had any impact on anything outside of his brain, or that it would be evidence for anything supernatural, but I found the story alluring in a strange way.
Yokai369
I thought he said “I” have a dream.
David, I love your podcast. It's an amazingly entertaining and incredibly informative. I highly recommend that people should give it a listen.
I had a nightmare that Josiah's dream was never going to end
Wow I actually read those 2 books by David when I was slowly turning atheist yearrrrs ago. Amazing.
"You're soaking in it"! That's going back... I almost wish I didn't get the reference!
madge, is that you?
There's a weekly half hour CBC radio show about advertising called "Under the Influence" hosted by Terry O'Reilly (an advertising big wig) in which the opening theme music is overlayed by a collage of some of the most famous advertising lines of the last 60 years or so. "You're soaking in it" is one of them.
It's a show much, much more interesting than most imagine it could be.
You'll wonder where the yellow went la la la la la la Pepsodent. ha haaaaa
Probably something to do with the origin of my vigorous drive to avoid all advertising... and I'll bet that in turn has something to do with the political differences between me and my neighbors, especially the ones who hold use of the mute button to be a violation of the social contract. Of course, they could be just plain old jingle addicted. I don't know. They refuse to talk about it.
Good old Palmolive!
Good old Madge...
10:13 Jacob - Person in a coma had a vision of animals next to god and had eyes all over them, which is in the bible, but he hadn't read that part yet, which made him believe that it might be true... Emotions come from somewhere other than the brain. People care about science when their lives are on the line. Pantheism.
32:09 Arthur (Somewhere in Europe) - Is believing in/assuming something despite 0 evidence a problem/possible?
40:01 Josiah (California) - How do we know we're interpreting evidence correctly? Scientific debate on evolution? 50:45 - Matt explains how science works. Josiah's evidence for god - he dreamt of a man, then met that man.
1:12:09 Dan (Romania) - Why shouldn't we believe the story of Paul (Damascus experience) and the apostles?
1:17:16 god - Claims to have transcended reason. Matt hangs up.
1:19:09 Arem (Australia) - god isn't a being. Arem hangs up.
1:20:27 Marie (Virginia) - Doesn't believe the Big Bang Theory conflicts with genesis, denies evolution, gets schooled.
This needs more likes.
@@mischarowe Agreed!
But Jordan Peterson told me that the metaphorical substraight or something plus shrooms therefore god so clean my room
hahahaha
He had me at, metaphorical substraight!
The dishonesty of creationism never fails to amuse me.
I've heard this deliberate misunderstanding of Mary Schweitzer's work spouted on several calls to various call in shows. Do these people really never even consider doing a simple google search of her to check they aren't just repeating a lie before they phone in?
They've "forgotten" that it's possible to get information from places other than their pastor.
Dishonesty is the only way to argue for/ support God and religion.
The most dishonest part to me is do these theists truly believe? There are over 1000 ways to off yourself without it being considered suicide. Why are they still here and not on an express train to the afterlife?
Jesus faked his own death to advance book sales :p
😅😅😅
Jacob's near death story sounds a lot like either The Boy Who Came Back from Heaven (the main character of which admitted it was a fraud after 11 years and $25 million earned in book sales), or "Heaven Is for Real."
I went unconscious in a bike crash last year and had a psychedelic experience that was similar to NDE in some ways. It was peace and bliss, kaleidoscope colors, and a huge sense of loss when I came to.
The brain's capable of sending you on a wild ride. It's why you need science and critical thinking to tell you what's actually what.
I believe that great philosopher Belinda Carlisle once said......Ooooooh Heaven is a place on Earth.
@@SuperEdge67 One of her colleagues, Doctor Warrant, concluded that it isn't too far away.
Baron von Quiply Yes and in England Professor’s Jimmy Page and Robert Plant were researching the possibility of a stairway to it.
@@SuperEdge67 Research by the Eurogliders concluded that it's just got to be there.
"Where's this horse going?"
Where's this dream/story going!?
LMFAO
Anyone else have the bell on and for all yet are not getting video notifications? This is the 2nd week I didn't get TAE and it is not the only one.
I really feel there are a new class of caller called "Time Waster". Matt correctly tried to get Josiah to state WTF was his dream, and it kept diverting and meandering.
10:11 Jacob
32:10 Arthur
40:01 Josiah
1:12:09 Dan
1:17:16 Dipshit aka god
1:19:08 Arhum call cut off
1:20:27 Marie
Jacob said that most people are not interested in studying science? Well, most people are not interested in reading the bible as it is a hard read. But, my question is how could Christians live their lives based on a book they have never read?
@Jim Merrilees : You're right on that, too, Jim.
I thought Josiah was cringey then there was the guy who seems to enjoy role playing and the light girl.
Dang. I was hoping "God" would be a little more of a performance piece. Unfortunately, he had the failure from the get-go that he wasn't able to properly speak into his receiver, resulting in distortion on every hard "P."
And God should not be restricted to using current man made communication technology. He should be able to speak directly to the hosts and the audience without having to call in on a phone! Maybe he is not as powerful as the believers claim.
Hard p
I'm such a child
There's wrong, then there's wrong, then there's Marie.
The comment trolls are possibly crazier than the callers sound most weeks!
The competition is very strong.
[insert all-caps, three-page comment made up from 95% bible passages]
When God called i thought someone is in urgent need of his chill pills.
Josiah, tell people the dream. Don't give a preamble, don't do your play by play explanation. If you want people to know it, TELL THEM, and then you guys can discuss it. But no offense intended, but some people don't care what you dream, especially after they explained in detail why it is irrelevant and not interesting.
they always do this "i have one quick question" followed their life story, hospital anecdotes and astrological information about their gold fish.
A nice calm Matt this episode...
My God, Jacob pretty much admits to being illogical, and seems happy to do so.
That makes me sad.
Matt’s face while this guy bumbling through his dream!!! 🤣 “... then his white horse ran in a straight line... “ OMG I CAN’T 🙄
I really liked David but you spent way too much time with Josiah. Way too much. I fell asleep.
You ... you didnt dream did you
..?
There is definitely something supernatural stealing socks from the dryer.
I'd like to nominate Matt to the Nobel Prize in Patience.
i nominate matt for the position of god... at least we know the axp hotline if ever we need matt, our lord and savior, to grace us with his presence... if matt is not there, we can at least talk to his angels, the axp staff...
@@hakureikura9052 We don't need gods. Matt is eloquent, rational and actually very patient. He would certainly not accept worship.
@@nollattacykel who says anything about worship? there were a lot of greek gods that were never worship, there were a lot of norse gods that were never worshipped and even mocked and made fun of.
at the very least, matt is a rational god, if ever he accepts the position... true, he isn't the best candidate, and he isn't perfect either, but hey, we can at least confirm his existence. that a big advantage we have over other theists...
@Slippery Storm uhh... huh? how is matt talking on the phone, not evidence of his existence?
and the god i am presenting is just a title. not a race or anything... kinda like the governor or mayor or president, its just a title... but, hey, matt has every right to accept or refuse...
just thought he would be a much better alternative god to the ones other theists believes in... i mean, we can account for his existence... heck we can phone him if ever matt screws up as a god...
@@hakureikura9052 Again, there's no need for gods. What would they add to your life?
Woo Hoo, Crew, David and Matt greetings from The West Coast of Canada!!!!
I'm so glad you hung up on (claimed) God, that Monster deserves no respect.
Exactly. He makes so many lives miserable and never stands up and takes responsibility for it. Jeez. :)
@Barthelemy
"Is it possible that one of them steals socks out of the dryer???" Matt
I often wonder why it seems people only have those dreams or experiences when there is trauma or coma.
Is David Mcraney Elvis Costello's long lost brother??
Marie was pulling at so many straws that there are none left
I thought she was perfectly valid, what are you talking about?
Shane N , Good! We can finally save the turtles! Thank you Marie! - 🐢
Lenor Gewissen don’t feed the trolls.
I am ashamed of her.
@Lenor Gewissen watch the video.
"The dream will speak for itself."
"Well then the dream can fucking call me."
God or "atheism" is a dream but "atheists" are never required, people who claim "atheism" can never be potentially necessary.
@@danielcox1426 WARNING batshit crazy troll warning.
@@Never-mind1960 I think a lot worse about you but saying it or writing it is not an effective means of persuading you to be rational.
@@danielcox1426 I do not understand your point. Are you saying that non-belief in a god is not necessary? And what does that even mean?
@@markjamie4002 Exactly! In the first-, second-, and third-person projection, it's entirely unnecessary to tell people (or yourself in the first person experience) "atheism." Same with God, it's unnecessary for me to tell you, "God is necessary." If you can't see it straitway, no amount of cajoling is going to help!
Hi Mark, I've got anecdotal evidence too. I made friends here at my condos with a guy named Eric. HE was this ginormous guy (super morbidly obese) who lived on the apartment side and suddenly began roller-skating in the street, constantly dodging traffic. After about 10 months he was fit. No more super morbid obesity.
I was with him along most of his journey. I've lost over 100 lbs. We talked a lot about it. He talked to me a lot about a friend he had at college, one of two roommates who was the same size as he was. Eric told me, "You've got to internalize the weight loss." If you can't internalize something like "atheism" and need to tell me you're going to deny me for making an opposing argument then it never existed inside of you.
WE have to internalize our beliefs. No one else can ever know our beliefs no matter how strongly we swear to them. Also, if our beliefs mean _anything_ to us then why share them with people who basically hate us? There is no love-loss between us, get it?
That trees and things have souls is not pantheism. It´s called animism.
I wish i was less dumb. I've had to google the word epistemology like 10 times before i was able to retain the meaning. Everytime there's an "ism" word brought up i always have to go looking for the difenition. no matter how many times i've searched it up
"I believe in belief". Daniel Dennett describes people like Jacob in detail. I call it 'Tinker Bell' syndrome.
You're in a dispute about God and change it to a dispute about "religion" and *_then_* claim victory by immunity from what you believe and claim to be as "non-religious." Dennett could possibly be more confused than you are.
@@NyxSilver8 I don't believe in any god/gods. Why should I?
@@davidwright834 You don't get to do that in the second-person experience. Same person who taught that to me exchanges the word 'experience' with 'projection.' The *_second-person projection._* It's a not so subtle reality that is entirely missed by Dillahunty, Dawkins, Dennett and you.
I have my own experinces, I'm the Lord of War, and I'm holy, and Dawkins claims "militant atheism" and can be knocked over by by 15 year old niece. The Grandaughter of the Admiral, one time the most decorated officer in the history of the US Navy, US Navy *Search and Rescue.*
My Dad is not just the most prolific Savior in the history of this planet, He's *TOP GUN.*
Savior is above what we consider to be the most virulent.
I'm not short on virtue or godlike status. Not in the first-, second-, or third-person experience.
You don't have to believe in gods to me, but it doesn't change reality to where the word "atheism" has been instantiated or where Dawkins is the Lord of war.
My Dad and I *_gave this to Dawkins_* when he was doing junkets for his children indoctrination book _Outgrowing God._
Not quick quick enough obviously.
@@NyxSilver8 Okay, now I know you're fake. You're the granddaughter of the most decorated naval admiral in US Naval SAR History? Okay, which one? Leary or Murphy? Does he still serve in the Navy? I'd like to look up his history to verify that if you don't mind.
Your dad is a TOP GUN, huh? Bullshit. Anyone even remotely related to that program knows that its real name is the SFTI Program, or Navy Strike Fighter Tactics Instructor Program. It's like you're taking every Tom Clancy novel and combining it with the likes of the Top Gun and Flight of the Intruder movies.
Begone troll!
@@dieseljester I can prove I'm a descendant of a thousand years of Jewish Bankers. I have some of the names of my Family's 50 finance companies and trusts. There are tens of millions of documents in the Inland Empire's recorders offices.
You don't even have to pay any money to do the research, find a few hundred thousand of said documents, hire someone locally to do the research for you, but why would you do that? You're winning by condemnation.
When you're dreaming your brain can only show you faces you've actually seen. There is no way anyone believes Josiah actually had that dream. I continue to be amazed at the lengths theists will go to retain their belief.
Imagine having to actually spend more than an hour listening to Josiah. They could use him in a torture chamber.
Theism is a lot of work. One simple question sends a grown up into a long roundabout trip of denials and deflections all just to avoid admitting the fallacies in their heads... Poor Josiah and his dreams
Man I wanted to hear that dream then after he started talking I sure didn’t!!
I wish I was instead I’m back to work!😢
If you look away from the video while David is talking, it's actually Matt Dillahunty featuring Lt. Dangle of the Reno P.D.
I wonder if he's also wearing short shorts....
Marie is going to have a real hard time having her god make any sense at the poles with 6 month days.
8:25 Matt engages in a moment of self reflection about the difference between epistemology and psychology of belief. Very encouraging. Because, from where I sit, the epistemological question has been answered and has no further room for fruitful inquiry. But on the territory of psychology of belief, a large number of questions remain unanswered, and offer a way forward. Among the questions: (1) Is there anything to be gained from believing things which have either not been proven, cannot be proven, or have been demonstrated to be probably false? (2) Is it ever advantageous to believe things that are false or probably false? (3) What is the source of creativity? (4) Do I want to live in a world in which everyone believes only that which has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt? (5) Is consciousness an emergent property of matter?
Interesting. I’m curious to hear your answers to these questions, and other people’s as well. From where I’m sitting, your question 3 and 5 are within the realm of naturalistic science. They are an exploration of the currently fuzzy connection between neurology and psychology.
Questions 1,2,4 are more classically psychological and kind-of 3 versions of the same question, or variations on a theme of the utility of unwarranted belief.
I think anyone who wants to propose that unwarranted belief has utility either individually or socially would have to show that these benefits are not achievable any other way and are also worth whatever costs are incurred by the same unwarranted beliefs. I don’t know about you, but that seems to me a pretty heavy task, and one fraught with potential for abuse as well.
While I could probably be convinced that abandoning unwarranted belief has some detrimental effects, never-the-less, retaining it hardly seems like human progress.
What do you think?
(1) Is there anything to be gained from believing things which have either not been proven, cannot be proven, or have been demonstrated to be probably false? -- Yes, certainly. It is absolutely essential to human progress that people believe things which have not been demonstrated and perhaps cannot be. My favorite example is free will, understood in the narrow sense of being free to will what I will. It has never been proven, and most probably cannot be proven, that there is any possible world in which I am doing something other than typing these words. And yet belief in free will, both on the societal and the individual level, is correlated with greater productivity and creativity than fatalism and determinism. (2) Is it ever advantageous to believe things that are false or probably false? -- Yes, of course. One only need imagine a tribe of nomads who instruct their young that monsters lurk just beyond the sight of the tribal leader. Any child who ventures beyond the leader's sight is immediately consumed by a monster. Is that true? Of course not. Is it advantageous to both the tribe and the individual children? Yes it is. Because children are not yet mature enough to navigate dangers that are subtle and real, they are protected by belief in dangers that are fantastical and false. (3) What is the source of creativity? -- In a word, emotion. Creativity results from an emotional and often irrational leap of faith into the realm of possibility. Inspiration, literally in spirit, is the challenge issued by the irrational to the rational to move beyond what is currently known and demonstrated. (4) Do I want to live in a world in which everyone believes only that which has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt? -- Not just no, but hell no. Such a world would be a living hell, containing no beautiful music, no beautiful painting, no innovative business, no soaring ideas and no progress of any kind. (5) Is consciousness an emergent property of matter? -- I don't think so. In fact, I see no way to solve either the paradox of Cartesian dualism or the paradox of scientific materialism through emergence of consciousness from unconscious matter. On the other hand, material consciousness offers a solution to both problems that is both elegant and simple. But pursuit of that solution involves exactly the kind of leap of faith that I advocate for, and is explicitly rejected by skeptics and materialists.
@@johnfrancis2404 Ok. You are free to your conclusions, and I appreciate your responses, but I would like to offer a respectful, but contradicting, reply:
1) It doesn't seem to me to matter if "free will" exists in some objective sense, especially given that, as you note, it probably can never be proven. However, it seems self evident that I, and everyone else, feel like I have free will and I can't imagine that ever changing. Thus, I'm not exactly "believing in free will" as much as simply acknowledging the obvious facts about my experience of existence in that my decisions feel like my own, even if, in some sense, they aren't. In this case, your mistake is in thinking that the benefits of "believing in free will" can't be achieved in some other way, specifically by re-framing our relationship to and understanding of "free will".
2) Lying to children to keep them safe seems like a trivial example. I can think of numerous similar examples, but in all of them, to follow your example, I can't really demonstrate that the children can't be kept safe without the lie. The lie just seems easiest for the adults. Also, in this case, you are ignoring the detrimental effects of lying to the children. Presumably there are psychological consequences to that which may not be worth whatever the lie is supposed to achieve.
3) If you say so. That's certainly as reasonable a description of "creativity" as any, but it is blatantly metaphorical ("Inspiration, literally in spirit, is the challenge issued by the irrational to the rational", for example), which is unsurprising given that no one really knows, in an operational sense what the "source of creativity" is. As of the current state of our understanding of the brain, it seems a bit premature to conclude it can't and never will be understood, at least partially, in terms of physical brain functions.
4) I don't think you know that. You are just assuming it because you can't imagine otherwise. You may be right, obviously, but for me, I see no reason to think that beautiful music or painting or "soaring ideas" will suffer in any way if all people only believed what was proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Not to be facile, but the appeal of Star Trek, for example, is that it presents a plausible view of just such a world. You just sound to me like a pessimist regarding the nature of of the motivation behind human activity. If its all the same to you, I'll assume that freedom from irrationality will liberate human creativity in ways never before experienced, because...I can.
5) As with creativity, your conclusion that consciousness is not "emergent" seems a bit premature, even if it does turn out to be correct. There is so much about the brain and how it works that is wholly mysterious, and may be for quite some time, perhaps even forever, but that is no reason to posit some kind of "other thing that is not really a thing" type of thing (i.e. "material consciousness", whatever that is). Quite frankly, for my money, "consciousness" is probably like "free will" in the sense that a wholly materialistic explanation of it doesn't detract in any way from my experience of it. And my experience of it is all that matters.
In summary, it sounds like you are saying, (not to straw-man, or minimize, but for the sake of brevity) that people need a certain amount of self-deception in order to be happy. Not only do I reject that notion, but it smacks of exactly the "fatalism" that you seem repulsed by. Similarly, your implication that our experience as humans must maintain an aspect of mystery or "leap of faith" is, to be blunt, dehumanizing in its suggestion that understanding how humans work somehow detracts from the experience of being human.
Thank you for you question and your post. Although I disagree with you, I do respect your ideas and understand where they are coming from.
@@ericb9804 Thanks for your well considered, thoughtful response, and thanks for a good conversation.
Josiah-CA,how can you remember your dream in such detail when days have past if not weeks?
You can't, this is where "lets make shit up" comes along into play.
His wishful thinking is filling the gaps.
Much like the god of the gaps fallacy.
Yeah, I’ve forgotten most of my dreams right after awakening
56:30 "Dreams are not evidence to most people, especially atheists..." What? Wait, so are dreams 'evidence' to theists?
Apparently, it’s more of that “God works in mysterious ways” excuse for whatever the F they believe at the moment.
Josiah and Marie made this particular episode hard to get through
"you might not feel that it's inspiring because you know so much about science, but most people don't care about studying that"
this reminds me of a mastodon post I saw where somebody called out people not caring about all software having gradually moved into these tightly controlled unusable corporate silos of various kinds (proprietary webapps, app stores, adobe cloud, etc) because they didn't care about the act of writing programs and _somebody_ doing it right, and framed it as "I don't care about cooking, I mostly just eat things like frozen pizza". this caller is like the guy saying it's fine everybody eats frozen pizza because 'most don't want to research where their food comes from'
It was a little disappointing that Jebediah, or whatever his name was got like 15 minutes to *not* talk about a dream about a guy and his horse (Freud would have loved this one...), and God himself only got about 2. At least God was funny.
Matt and David did all the talking, though david was more willing to listen. i had to sit and wait for their "false memory" speeches until i eventually ran out of time. i spoke for maybe 3 or 4 minutes TOPS, while they interjected literally every 20 seconds, and they did all the talking. Also matt immediately dodged the triceratops issue. he can intterupt everyone or mute them, thats why i played nice and let him interupt me for the majority of the call, he never fully let me say what i needed to say, because he has the right to interupt and accused me of not proving evidence for my claims, yet when i tried topresent my case, i was immediately dismissed at around 56:45 before i could ever present my case. and se wasted time talking about "false memorys"
@@josiahgil Matt was skeptical and maybe a bit dismissive because dreams are never evidence of real world truth. You completely missed this point. Even if we believe everything you claimed about the dream. the dream itself is not an explanation of how or why you might have had it.
15 ?, more like a half an hour, he was talking out his ass.
@@josiahgil you had a fucking dream?, sounds like you never had a fucking dream before ffs, hey I wonder what would happen if you had a wet dream?, would there be horses and big trees in that too?, wow you're way down that religitard rabbit hole, there proof of a god/gods so just give it up.
@@josiahgil He asked you to present your case, over and over. He said explain your dream over and over. It was dismissed because when you finally got around to explaining it, after your preface, and the preface of your preface of your introduction of it, you explained the same part more than once, and although a nice story, it was too long, and so far pointless, to continue on a live show that's supposed to last about an hour, with other people waiting on the line to speak.
"They raised a group of cats..." I've never taken an earbud out so fast in my life! Thanks for the time stamps 🖤
Of course - having weird dreams after watching Twin Peaks proves God.
I am disappointed that our potential leaders are compelled to argue about who is the most religious.
Marie was tragic. So brainwashed and willingly ignorant. It's sad.
Barthelemy
Hi Marie.
Your call was shit.
@@larjkok1184 "If people didn't claim theism then there wouldn't even be any atheists." typical self-delegated "atheist" religious belief. You need us for you to exist at all, of course we're nothing but shit to you, you need us _to be what you are,_ in order for you exist at all. You need shit as your opponent in order to *_post up!_*
@@NyxSilver8 ... what
@Supernintendo Chalmers People who turn to God instead of doctors you excoriate, people who need doctors who are also your religious counterparts need the help at your fanatical urgence. Do you ever plan on making an impact in reality by not being a wretched liar with no limit of double standards?
If I was mentally ill then I'd go and get help without your insistence, right? I'm not going to be persuaded of some imperfection in my life while your arguments suck shit.
@@phantomstarsx9343 I don't accept the word "atheism" in any of the contexts people baldly claim the word.
I really believe that a lot of what compels people to religion is the "afterlife" which is very narcissistic and arrogant. Religion kind of plays into todays trends of self-importance and self promotion. I'm surprised that there aren't loads more of religious influencers
It's inevitable that people who unironically use the word "paradigm" are hacks with nothing interesting to say.
Isnt "paradigm" just buzzword that dumb people use to sound important?
David wasn't that bad lol
Or as the old song goes, "Brother can you paradigm?"
@@scottdavidson5670That’s pretty good!
To Josiah: I had a dream that was very strange. I’m a very lucid dreamer. My dreams can be so vivid that I can mistake them in memories as real life. When I was a child I had a cousin that I was extremely close to, to this day she is one of my best friends and like my other little sister. She had been living in Thailand for 2yrs with her parents and her mom’s side of the family. Before they left they had always lived in apartments. When they moved back to the US my family went to visit them at the house they had just bought. I knew nothing about the house other than the city it was in, but the night before we went to visit them I dreamed of that house. I dreamed they moved into a ranch style house with a garage separated from the living area by a screened in porch. The porch had a small rip in the screen. The house was red and it sat on the top of a steep hill with a church at the bottom of the hill. The next day we pulled up to a house exactly as I had dreamed of, right down to the tear in the screen. It was surreal, but I didn’t and don’t think I had prophetic powers. It was just a coincidence. Perhaps I had overheard my uncle having a conversation over the phone with my mom, or maybe my grandmother had talked about with my parents while I was distracted and it didn’t register in my conscious mind. Perhaps I had seen the house before and remembered a conversation I’d had with my cousin years prior where we talked about the kind of house we liked. There are so many mundane possibilities that believing something supernatural is just not logical.
Josiah was killing clock. He is the reason call-in shows don't work very well. You get people like Josiah who have nothing better to do in their life than to call and intentionally waste time. Either he thinks he is minimizing Matt's chance to make more atheists or he is just incredibly bored.
You may be right. GET TO THE FUCKING POINT PEOPLE.
I think he may be creating atheists or at least causing people to doubt their faith with his idiocy.
All that waffling pre-amble and when he gets to it, so i had this dream wtf
The soft tissue found with dinosaur fossils has been explained, sorry creationists.
Paulogia interviewed her, made several great videos about that.
no it hasnt, mary schweitzer's theory of the tissue preservation was not applicable as an explination for preservation of this triceratops tissue, because no phenton reaction occured in the cells, which is what mary scheitzers studies proposed. Want me to link you to the man that made the discovery of the soft tussue?
@MrGpt2010 read the scientific journals GENIUS. dont take my word for it.
God called in with his arrogance and fury 😂
"which is older the sun or the earth?" Marie "hhmmmm"🤔.. someone slept through science class their whole life
Hey! I remember reading David McRaney's book "You Are Not So Smart" like 7 years ago. That book made me an atheist, and it barely even touched on religion, if at all. I read it because I had an interest in psychology, and ended up realizing how unfounded my reasons for believing were.
Zen Matt is back.
He did really well, yes.
32:09 Arthur in Europe. Most interesting call of the week that never happened because the hosts took the call over instead of letting Arthur speak.