0:00 Intro 8:39 Rick-CA | Efficacy Of Prayer 15:34 Aaron-WI | Theistic Vs Atheistic Morality And God 40:26 Carl-(CA) | Atheist Saves A Child 48:50 Mark-FL | Standards Of Proof 58:53 Gene-PA | Education Vs Right To Believe 1:04:40 Joe-(LB) | Was St. Paul Honest? 1:13:33 Adrian-TX | Rocks And A Designer God 1:22:57 David-(MX) | God And Quantum Theory 1:28:31 James-NV | Matt Is God...
@Cristian Gavrilescu Oh please spare us your sophistry and complete rubbish justifications. Going into a long drawn out Bible quote demonstrates nothing.
@Cristian Gavrilescu You do know the book you are quoting from has been translated beyond its original text and the volumes in it were cherry-picked by a men who left volumes out of it that they as men disagreed with.
I was a christian for so long it feels surreal to be on the other side, but this side is so much more accepting and kind. Thank god for this athiest community!
@@godslion2878 So without knowing jackshit about me you are saying that I wasnt a true christian and that I'm angry at something I don't believe exsists, I suppose my christian self would have said the same thing to a non-believer back when I was brainwashed so I cant really blame you. Sorry bud, once the magic trick is explained there's no more beliving in it. c:
@@godslion2878 A bad diet is unhealthy. Nice equivalency you ignorant idiot, you are showing how religion is a 'bad diet'. Too bad religion teaches you to be a sheep, rather than thinking for your self.
God had nothing to do with it, well, as much as the giant cat fish that lives under Japan...This is down to the fact you are capable of thinking, and had the courage to act. This was your win, no God helped, you deserve the pat on the back.
@@godslion2878 Haha dude you're not going to win any "souls" by telling the people you're trying to "save" that they are angry, depraved hogs. Your words just come off as condescending and self-righteous.
Wakes up via alarm clock Brushes teeth with sonic rechargeable toothbrush Brews coffee in seconds Turns on Air Conditioning Sits down at personal computer Connects to world wide, near instantaneous communication network Asks "what the #$%# has science ever done?"
Not only that, but they'll actually try to use science to undermine science, by actively getting PhD's while writing the correct answers in tests and school papers, and then later flaunting their PhD as a way to argue from authority against the scientific field that they supposedly studied and supposedly understand. Good job creationists! You're officially one of the biggest embarrassments of the human race.
@Dark Angel "...they should only be allowed to use stuff that’s basically only available during Bronze Age." Except... You don't get a Bronze Age without bronze, and you can't get bronze without science. Bronze was a scientific, technological, breakthrough. With world altering military effects.
Next time someone talks about believing something without evidence, ask how they would feel if a jury convicted him/her of murder if there was no evidence.
Gods Lion I am basing my assumption that the chips are safe on previous experience, packaging, FDA, etc. There is more evidence for chips being n a bag labeled as such and being safe to eat than there is of the Bible being reliable or that there is a god. I can’t believe I’m even having this conversation.
Aaron already sounds like he shares secular humanism values. He kind of reminds me of my deconversion. I 'broke down the walls' of Christianity until I looked back - months later - and went, "Which of this stuff do I actually still believe?" I think I was an atheist (subconsciously) way before I admitted it to myself.
Same for me sort of. Raised catholic from birth. Went through the motions at church every Sunday and also in Catholic school through 5th grade. And up until 4 or so years ago if you had asked me if I believed in god I probably would have said "sure, why not". But I started watching the AE and heard Matt ask the question "Are you convinced a god exists?" That's when I realized that I've probably always been an Atheist. I was never convinced of that nonsense.
He sounded so serious when he said not to say that on the air that I came to TH-cam (I was listening on a podcast app) to look at the comment section and see wtf was up.
@pan dimensional super being bojangles What evidence, what have they posted, claimed or called for that isn't based ONLY in 'political' rhetoric. Defund the police, reparations, wealth redistribution...all political, nothing but political. Stop the false equivalency argument.
@pan dimensional super being bojangles The mere fact that you manage to narrow down gay relationships to butt sex speaks volumes on your general mental functioning. I take it that most of that butt sex takes place outside your personal observation so what's your real problem with it? There may exist a lot of sexual acts between consenting adults that do not really turn me on but that's hardly a reason to pass judgement... Must be a bible thumber thing to do just that...
Cycling to work with the Atheist Experience blasting in my ears is the best thing ever. So glad and also impressive how you guys upload these episodes on Spotify so quickly!
Don’t change anything, Don! You’re clearly interested in honest discussions, which makes you a great host. As Matt likes to say: ridiculous ideas deserve ridicule by definition. Laughing from time to time is okay and might be completely justified.
Don is just a jolly guy. I've never taken Don's laughing to be a slight at callers or their arguments. He's one of the nicest guys on the planet. You never seen him without a smile on his face, even after his husband passed. His husband, by the way, was still religious.
Its about time that i become an actual donating, full fledged member. With how much Matt has helped me in my life, i owe him a hell of a lot more than that.
As a Methodist we learned to take from the bible what we could be ok with, and reject everything else. When I did that, I found that most every sentence was scratched through and what was left held no compelling argument for belief. So, I realized then that I am an atheist.
@@lmnop1022 As I did! Religion ultimately has little to do with "god" overall. But with all the supernatural bullshit added in it is not even a decent work of fiction. Which is where one should find it in the library or bookstore!
@@YouCensored 1. As much as i've watched this show, there is hardly any need for debate skills here. 'cause most callers deny any reason and presume anything and everything on faith. 2. Considering he has actually written books about atheism, and you got to have logical thinking to do magic, i wouldn't be sure of your assessment of Penn not knowing how to debate.
"Whenever two or more are gathered..." I brought this up to an apologist once. The reason that he gave was that Jesus was talking to the apostles, who had already been empowered to do miracles, and not to the readers of the bible. So, what I'm thinking is why even bother putting Jesus' words in the bible if they were not intended for Christians other than the apostles?
@@godslion2878 Why don't you answer his question instead of deflecting. I don't hate you. I can't hate you. I don't know you. But I would like to know why you think it is okay to murder babies just because someone/thing told you too.
Apologist are very good at coming up with one-off explanations, but when they are applied to other parts of the scripture they don't work (see Dwayne Shaw).
22:37 oh boy, here we go! What’s the problem not enough emails in your inbox jim? you had too go and throw that out there. ROFL 🤣 I literally had Pepsi come out my nose when he said that.
"How to Spot a False Prophet" If it comes true...it was God. If not...it was Satan. .. That was in a pamphlet for (JW's I think?), that I saw back in the late 80's. With logic like that, it pretty much explains the entire mindset of a truly religious person.
@Dwayne Shaw right? I hate when people justify lives spared as being spared by G-d, but lives lost were just - what? Collateral damage? It makes no sense and is so insulting the the memories of those who died.
Jack prophesies that the Raptors will win the game. Bill prophesies Celtics will win. Raptors win. Therefore Bill is a demon. Let's burn Bill? Orrrrrrr.....
I just realized why I love this show. People that have these arguments in their own head that have never had a 2 sided conversation going against the sharp articulate unforgiving Matt D. These idiots think that they are not going to fall into the same trap every jackass before them did but without fail or faith, they do.
it's why famous apologists like William Lane Craig piss their pants in terror and run away from debating Matt, they know they'll get donkey-stomped into the ground.
"I don't have any way to justify, or demonstrate, the truth of my beliefs, but I believe them anyway, because I'm an idiot, and they make me feel good."
@@johnfrancis2404 If you hold beliefs that you cannot justify with demonstrable evidence, then no one else has any reason to believe that your beliefs are true. You can believe whatever you want, but don't expect your beliefs to be taken seriously by anyone else until you can support them with evidence you can demonstrate to others.
@@gratefulapostate3123 I fail to understand why I should be concerned in the least whether anyone takes my beliefs seriously. I don't ask anyone to share my beliefs or agree with them. My only concern is that I not be persecuted by the mob for holding them.
@@johnfrancis2404 I don't know what you believe personally, but the Abrahamic religions have a long history of the mob persecuting those who reject their beliefs. At least atheists aren't burning anybody at the stake for heresy.
@@TshaajThomas We don't charge people to learn how to reason effectively. Even a child can do it. I wonder why theists are scared of reason though? They don't believe in an unreasonable claimed God I hope!
Here's a challenge: Three or more Christians should come together and *sincerely* pray for all children to be *immediately* and *totally* free of all forms of cancers. Surely, an all powerful, all loving diety would have no qualms with answering that prayer...no?
@@markburch6253 Then wouldn't that mean their god's a d*ck? If you could stop children from suffering, wouldn't you? What kind of 'plan' includes the pain of children??
An entire section of the Catholic mass is just a series of we pray for ... Some things are on that list every single week, so clearly god is not delivering.
@@markburch6253 "...we don't understand God's plan" Yet, these same people would say that they KNOW god wants to be believed in otherwise he will punish us, god wants to be obeyed otherwise he will punish us, god created a whole universe just for our sake (or maybe just to get a chance to punish us, heh), and on and on. Funny how they hide behind an enigma when it contradicts their mythology.
I have yet to call anyone stupid on this show. I won't start now but...........................................................................................?
Aaron, morality is an EVOLUTIONARY process. Our species learned very early on that, as tribes, we needed to take care of our group. It was the only way to propagate the species. Murder, rape, theft would degrade the viability of the group. Our well being among others in our society is based on Evolution. It's not "biblical" or any other religious development.
@Yokai369 Some of your statements border on the ridiculous. "Murder eliminates weaker members"?? Tell that to Mrs Lincoln. My point was not one of logic, only the scientific view that human empathy towards other humans is rooted in evolution, not theism. Of course there are examples of outliers, but that does not refute the biological mechanisms that propagate the species. ANY SPECIES. We have morality because we are genetically evolved to have empathy towards others of our species. At least the majority population does.. The actions of protecting the tribe or family unit can be observed in multiple species, not just humans. This predisposition to protect each other is millions of years old, not something that just came about in the last 2000 years. You are mixing up theology with evolutionary biology.
AZ8theist "morality is an EVOLUTIONARY process" Scientists have found that even some social species of animals have a sense of morality. There was a story I read of a wolf tribe that either kicked out or killed a female member who was acting in an antisocial manner (she may have killed some cubs, or something along those lines). I don't remember the specifics. But "morality" would be incredibly useful to the survival of any social group. So, those members who are naturally more "understanding" of the needs of others would really add to the chance that the group lives on.
@@SamIAm-kz4hg I think you agree with my point. "Morality", in human terms, is most often associated with religion and god. The apologists say you cannot have morality without god. I say nonsense. As you pointed out, some species of social animals perform societal functions with inbred empathy. They didn't get it from reading a holy book. My whole point in refuting the other poster regarding murder, theft, rape, etc., was that empathy towards others for the preservation of the "tribe" or group is a result of BIOLOGICAL EVOLUTION, not the scribbling of ancient goat herders who didn't know what lightning was.....
I'd prefer the term "purposed." A rock on its own has no purpose. It just sits there. Using it for practical application is creating a purpose for it. Adaptation is when something has a function already but its use is refined for a more precise or entirely new purpose. For example, a squirrel has a function of surviving in a forest but through adaptation it may survive very well in a specific forest region or in an entirely new environment like a grassland.
@@MunkyDrag0n the way I understand it, a rock is not a hammer. One could design and make a hammer with a rock, by tying it to a stick for example with vine or rope or whatever, or chisel it in to a specific shape. But the "hammer" is the specific intended implementation of creating a tool. The "hammer" is designed, not the things it's made of. If you break the rock from the stick, it's no longer a hammer and no more "designed".
Saying don't do this don't do that isn't morality it's just rules. It's also why theists can never give reasons to the why of any of their commandments or "teachings". What point is giving guidelines to life if the reasons for their being there in the first place aren't explained? It's like telling a child off for breaking a rule and you answer because I said so, does the child learn anything? No. There is so much ambiguity in all religious texts and the only way to solve that is for the author to explain what they've wrote. But of course that's never going to happen.
@@godslion2878 forgive the sin that he himself imposed on all of humanity because he couldn't look after 2 babies? How nice of him to create a son then sacrifice him to appease himself for mistakes which are wholly his own. Such a great god. If you want to get philosophical about peace and love go follow Buddhism. The god you follow now ain't all sunshine and rainbows, it's a bunch of myths which make zero sense.
@@godslion2878 Here's why... because you sound sanctimonius, and that puts people off. Secondly, I am not 'practicing' unbelief. My unbelief is a natural reaction to people like yourself who have deemed themselves experts on the mind of God, and that puts me off. Third, your 'specs on the windshield' analogy suggests we shouldn't question theistic claims. If that's true, then I would accept all theistic claims. Are all theistic claims true, brother?
In the eyes of many christians Matt Dillahunty would be considered more evil and immoral than Charles Manson because Manson encouraged the physical death of a few people but "The Atheist Matt" encourages the spiritual death of thousands of listeners by leading them away from the lord. So some Christian's would put Matt's life below Manson's. I know this doesn't go along with Jim's point which he is spot on about instead I'm just putting a twist on his example to show how immoral the Christian moral ideal can be.
Thank the people who signed the declaration of independence. The fanatics can't make us obey their insane interpretation of the bible. Jefferson understood that book better than the so-called righteous people today who hate so easily.
For our Canadian friends: 501 C3s are non-profit organizations, and exempt from taxation. However, going into opposing or supporting a political candidate will get your tax-exempt status revoked if the IRS finds out about it.
..unless you're a church. Then you can tell folks who God wants you to vote for. Record it. Send it to the I R S. And brag about it online and in the media. And the I R S guy will hide under the desk.
We can deduce reality without being there. Indirect evidence. I'm laying on the beach alone and fall asleep for a few minutes and wake up and see a set of footprints in the sand in front of me and stretching down the beach, the shoreline, up and down the beach. Even though I wasn't there in a conscious sense, awake, I can *_deduce_* a person walked down the beach while I slept. Noun. 1. indirect evidence - evidence providing only a basis for inference about the fact in dispute. circumstantial evidence. evidence - (law) all the means by which any alleged matter of fact whose truth is investigated at judicial trial is established or disproved. “Where did the universe come from? What was there before it? What will the future bring? And finally, why is there something rather than nothing?” One of the few prominent scientists today to have crossed the chasm between science and popular culture, Krauss describes the staggeringly beautiful experimental observations and mind-bending new theories that demonstrate not only can something arise from nothing, something will always arise from nothing. As a matter of fact nothing does not exist, that's why we label it "nothing," it *_can't be the cause of everything!_*
Matt: "his guest was john de lancie" Me: *pause*, *duplicate tab*, *watches DeLancie* i'll be back to watch the rest of this in a couple hours :D sorry Matt, but we're talking about Q here!
😂😂😂😂 I’m bug from Arlington tthat calls in and talks to Matt occasionally. I loved Adrians call!! That little thinking exercise with the rock was soooo funny I’m at work crying at Matt’s face while he was listening
Poor Aaron. :( He sounds like a guy who knows he isn't a Christian, but REALLY REALLY REALLY wants to be...because he probably has friends and family, and probably many sources around him and it would just make things easier. He's looking for a 'reason' to be moral as opposed to just being moral because he is. Kinda like a parent that hates carrots pretending to like mushed-carrots in order to get their baby to eat it ("MMmmmmm! *gag*....yu...y...yuummmy...yum...*gag gag*...Yummy carrots! [tear rolls out corner of eye]..." ;) ).
I thought he was a good caller. He was really struggling and I wish Matt had been more patient and helped the man out. I thought Matt was really an asshole to him.
@@deeanna8448 You try dealing patiently with the first 1,000 people who can't get rid of God in their lives because their parents corked religion into their heads and then do it for the next 20 years and come back and talk to Matt about it.
@@scipioafricanus5871 Dude, that isn't a fucking excuse to be an asshole... Maybe he should take a break from doing the show for a couple weeks so he stops being a prick to callers. He shouldn't be putting the stress of dealing with other callers onto other callers Each call is different and they shouldn't be shunned and taken down because Matt's had to deal with other callers in the past. That's not fair. He needs to take a couple weeks off of the show and recharge.
1:15:53 I think a more effective approach for this guy would be to simply accept for the sake of argument his redefinition of design and then ask if me picking up a rock and using it to drive a nail changes how it came into existence or why it possesses the qualities it does. Is the rock i used as a hammer suddenly and retroactively the product of agency?
Is morality really that hard for people to understand? We are social creatures, we have empathy. That alone should be a good enough foundation to start building morality from. Why do we need to justify what we can already demonstrate with tired old "holy" books?
Aaron: Having seen how most people act, I watch the show religiously in the same way people go to church religiously since that seems to mean 'irregularly and at my convenience' ;)
Gene, as a kid that fucked around in class a lot I can tell you that it’s all about motivation. Show them WHY they should be interested to know how the world works. If they aren’t motivated, they won’t care. Good luck!
Aaron wants labels to describe beliefs but then he says he is a Christian that doesn’t believe a lot of the Bible. So his label wouldn’t match his beliefs.
i had this discussion with my housemate who calls herself a christian and says that 'all good people go to heaven' i tried to explain to her that she's not really a christian, then, but she wouldn't have it... though that is kind of inverse to your statement...
Jimmy TheBold As a Christian myself, I agree with you. Tell her to read Romans 3 where Paul sums up Gods view on ALL of humanity, including Christians.
Regarding the fellow who was comparing Covid cases in Canada to the US, our total population is less than that of California, so of course we have less cases and deaths. However, our rate of infection is far and away more under control than in the US. Our young people are just as determined to gather together against what is recommended because of pandemic fatigue. We do have nut cases who think it's a hoax and have irrational and stupid reasons not to wear a mask and social distance. Places of worship are just beginning to open with caution requiring masks and social distancing being enforced. (Total cases: 123,000 (198 today), 9,000 deaths and 108,000 recoveries. The town I live in hasn't had a case since July 26th and only 14 total and no deaths).
This is a serious message to Gene from Pa. I teach biology, chemistry, and computer science at a college in Md (I used to be from Pa too...but wandered south a bit). I have had students ask me similar questions in the past (almost always put up to it by their preacher or b/c they watch AIG or Ray Comfort, etc, and often attempting to be disruptive). Here is how I've handled the two most common of these: Q1) Where you there? R1) Take a moment to think about how the world would work if this was a legitimate argument. We would not be able to teach that George Washington was our first president because none of us were there to see it. Similarly, we would not be able to accept that slavery ever existed and thus wouldn't be able to learn from our past mistakes. We would have to release every criminal ever convicted because not only were we not there, but neither was the judge or any member of the jury. Q2) Doesn't the 2nd law of thermodynamics disproves evolution (or rarely big bang)? R2) Could you explain how? And at this point, about 3/4 of them admit they have no idea why it would but someone with influence on them put them up to it. Most of the rest say something like, "Because it says everything in the universe is decaying in disorder, but evolution says complex life comes from simpler life." And then I explain that scientific laws are descriptive and since so many observations contradict that incorrect definition of the 2nd law that if it actually said that, it would never have become a law in the first place because in addition to disproving evolution it would also 'disprove' trees, snowflakes and even make blinking your eyes impossible. Most give up here, but a few ask for examples or for what I meant by the last statement: Ex 1: A tree or bush is more complex than the seed that produced it and the seed itself is more complex than the gametes that produced it. Ex 2: A snowflake is more complex than the water molecules that produced it. Ex 3: The ATP that lets you blink your eyes is more complex than the adenine, the ribose, and the phosphates that your body used to make it. I then give the class an extra credit opportunity where they can research the 2nd law and how things that seem to violate it really work/are able to 'violate' it without actually violating it.
I just wanted them to ask Aaron why he has to believe in a god in order to use a few things from the Bible. As an atheist, I can also agree with a few things from the Bible without believing it was inspired by a god. Wouldn’t he feel the same about the things in the Bible regardless of his godbelief?
@@danielcox6143 Oh yes. That was exactly my point. I was just giving in example, and I decided to use the example that both he and I shared (since he had been an atheist before and I am one).
Precisely. The thing that always bothers me about this morality argument (without God there is no morality) is that it ignores the obvious fact that the morality that is attributed to God is simply the invention of humans who are expressing a human desire to protect their tribe and minimize suffering. When human beings write their code of conduct in a book and attribute it to God, it is still a human invention that either stands or falls on its own merit.
Shame Don is moving on I feel he was a better host then some but then a lot of good hosts have moved on to better things so I wish him the best. Gonna miss him and the others that left but hopefully a visit from time to time would be great.
Why doesn't Aaron just admit that he has a stronger base for morality than the Bible? I'm assuming he hasn't committed genocide just to teach a lesson. Why is he looking so hard to drink someone else's Kool-Aid?
Sounded like to me he was raised believing in morality through a god, and since he hadn't found a better system yet decided to go with his brain + a little of the good morality parts of the bible, which is actually a better system than just the bible.
@@ShaleAudio The point is that there is no need to combined anything. Are you saying that Aaron couldn't figure out "thou shall not kill" without the Bible? He rejects the things he disagree with, and accept the things that he already finds subjectively moral. So does he really need to believe in talking snakes and zombies to be moral?
@@JohnVC Was the guy trying to figure out what he should do, or why he should or shouldn't do things? Is it ok to kill in your world view? Self Defense? To eat? How did you come to these conclusions? Not really going to bother going much further since you way oversimplified the whole thing.
@@ShaleAudio There is no morality that you can get from the Bible that I can't get on my own. In fact, since I don't condone slavery and a lot of the idiocy in it, my morality is superior to that of he Bible. Aaron should follow me.
zempath I’m glad you committed. I had a look at your channel and your science playlist is full of videos I haven’t seen yet. I saved all to my ‘watch later’ list. Many thanks!
@zempath Well its cos... 5, right, and G is the 7th letter of the alphabet, average them together? 6! And that's just two 6's away from the devils number, OBVIOUSLY illuminati confirmed! :P
Adrian. I happen to know flint knapping. I CAN take a naturally occurring rock and DESIGN it to serve a purpose as an arrowhead or handaxe... alternately I can just pick up a naturally occurring sharpish rock and use it as an arrowhead or handaxe. In one case, I DESIGNED something, in the other I just used an undesigned thing for a PURPOSE it was not designed for. Likewise I KNOW car rims are DESIGNED to hold tires and thus allow a car to function. Alternately I can USE that rim for the PURPOSE of a planter or Firepit, a PURPOSE it was definitively NOT DESIGNED for.
@Yokai369 We already know as FACT that human species over time evolved from apes, right? So over time, did this claimed God descend from apes? 200K years ago he was an ape? No? Then he's NOT in the same image.
Hey, let's get serious... God knows what he's doin' He wrote this book here An' the book says: "He made us all to be just like him, " So... If we're dumb... Then God is dumb... an' maybe even a little ugly on the side.
Did anyone else see the Liquid Death Ad come up on this video? That shit was hilarious, it was the first Ad I actually watched entirely in a long time.
Aaron REALLY misses the point when he says that there are a lot of things in the Bible that you would agree are moral. Matt already made the point twice. This is a clear example of you ALREADY having a set of morals, and then coming to the Bible and seeing what you happen to agree with. You don't actually need to read the Bible since you've already got morality. Done.
Re Adrian and his rock/hammer quandary, If Jim picks up a rock and employs it as a hammer, it doesn't become a hammer. Let's say he hammers the nail and, having finished with the rock, he tosses it aside. What he tossed aside was not a hammer, it was a non-designed rock. If I then picked up that same rock and used it to beat some sense into Adrian's head, it would still be a rock...maybe put to a better use.
It's still a remote control. A thing is what it is based on the properties that comprise that thing. A ball is a ball because of its sphericity. You could use a cube by rolling it around on your carpeting, but it's still a cube.
I know this won't be a popular comment, but the best part of this show was Matt mentioning that Don Baker won't be a regular host anymore. That is great news, as he really adds little to the show outside of him laughing at his own comments or jokes.
Yeah that's excellent news to me as well, I also don't like Don Baker, he's way too mediocre to be a co-host, he can barely defend a position because his arguments aren't that good and he can't even finish his own arguments either because he stops in the middle to cackle and leave the argument unfinished, the other host (usually Matt) is the one that needs to pick it up where he left it and finish it. I also find Don's cackle to be cringie, disrespectful and makes the show look unprofessional, Don barely adds anything to the show, the only thing he does here is cackle.
Carl.... that was a long-ass detailed story just to call up and brag. It's great what you did calling up for your 15 minutes of fame is kind of pathetic
Joe from Lebanon seems to have it worked out. "These religions were started by eccentric people...." A profound understatement imo, the guy should be a diplomat.
The first caller: I usually hear theists use circular argument to (fallaciously) prove their point. This guy uses circular argument to disprove his own point.
@Bad oMaN Really? Let's say I have a book that says on page 1: This book has a page 2. Then you check and there is a page 2 that says: Here is page 2. It is here because page 1 said so. Proof done. This is a circular argument, but page 2 still exists. So you have a circular argument, but that didn't prove anything. A circular argument can not be used to conclude anything. It can neither prove or disprove. You are saying that it's a circular argument and that proves it false. Well: there was still a page 2.
@Bad oMaN no, a circular argument is pretty simple. if a then b, if b then a. bible is word of god, therefore god exists. god exists, therefore bible is word of god. I might note that this circular example also neither disproves god or disproves that the bible is the word of god. All it does is: okay this is a circular reasoning, we have to dismiss this argument.
@Bad oMaN wrong. The example argument I presented is circular, whether you begin with the assumption that it's already true or not. The argument is circular in structure, that is what makes it fallacious. if a then b, if b then a. That structure is fallacious no matter if you take a (or b) as already true or not.
@Bad oMaN That's the thing. I can tell you that page 2 exists because page 1 says so and vice versa, but before I give you the book, you won't know. All you can say is I don't follow that logic. However, to conclude that therefore page 2 and page 1 don't exist because the argument is circular is wrong. I might then give you a book and it has no page 1 or 2. Or it has. So you proved my point. A circular argument does neither prove or disprove anything. And it can never because it is fallacious. To conclude ANYTHING from a fallacious argument is by definition fallacious. Again, a circular argument disproves nothing. Actual evidence proves or disproves a thing.
Morality- theist vs atheist. When I was a theist, i was trying to be a good person. Now I'm an atheist and I'm BETTER person. One thing changed. Before, I wasn't sure about same-sex marriage: church teaches it's a sin. Now I KNOW that same-sex marriage it's OK. It's OK to be gay... It's OK to do things in your own way. Your life your way. My life my way.
Aaron's foundation for morality is a book with which he disagrees, lol. Too bad he can't embrace his own non-theist beliefs. Mark trying to water down proof reminds me of the guy that unsuccessfully tried to present a "provable" version of the supernatural, long back. As for Adrian, people using these worn out arguments should really just Google them in today's world, to put them to rest.
Some people may take offence at Don's laughter, and dig in their heels deeper, but when it comes to peer pressure, getting laughed at will just as often make you reconsider if your ideas aren't really laughable. We all experience this growing up unless we are excessively sheltered. That seems to be the problem with religion. For too long it has been a spoiled child that has had its own way.
joe from lebanon is right in calling out don baker's mocking of theist callers. i agree with him - laughing at people (theists) for having irrational beliefs isn't doing them any favours.
On the first look, i agree that you can't make it and then design it. Though i do not agree that design must be first. It happens a lot, that making and designing happen simultanously. Art would be a perfect example for that. But still, once the thing is finished, the designing part must be finished as well. Until someone decides to change the design. You see the problem here? I find the idea of making a difference between design and purpose to be the better approach. It highlights the fact, that for instance in the stone/hammer example, the stone already existed and was not altered in any way. It is quite hard to witness people not even understanding such basic thing as the definition of design.
Rick and prayers, so basically the story goes like, all of us are prisoners of a terrorist that puts us to the test. He says, I want you all to pray for my grace in your minds, and I’ll make some of you die young, some others live a miserable life and someone live a good life and you cannot know the criteria I’ll use to distribute my grace, but BEWARE IF YOU DON’T PRAY TO ME , well the same things will happen , yeah right!
Yeah, but apparently its all OK, because this God created everything, so according to the rule of "Might Makes Right", God is morally right, and anything he says goes. And thats the morality of the God of the Bible in a nutshell. Good job Christians!
0:00 Intro
8:39 Rick-CA | Efficacy Of Prayer
15:34 Aaron-WI | Theistic Vs Atheistic Morality And God
40:26 Carl-(CA) | Atheist Saves A Child
48:50 Mark-FL | Standards Of Proof
58:53 Gene-PA | Education Vs Right To Believe
1:04:40 Joe-(LB) | Was St. Paul Honest?
1:13:33 Adrian-TX | Rocks And A Designer God
1:22:57 David-(MX) | God And Quantum Theory
1:28:31 James-NV | Matt Is God...
Thanks for these time stamps. Don't know how long you've been doing this, but it helps greatly.
@Cristian Gavrilescu Oh please spare us your sophistry and complete rubbish justifications.
Going into a long drawn out Bible quote demonstrates nothing.
Just here to show love for timestamp guy.
@@crunchyfrog555They seriously don't understand the need to prove the bible true before expecting people to believe any of it. It's sad really
@Cristian Gavrilescu You do know the book you are quoting from has been translated beyond its original text and the volumes in it were cherry-picked by a men who left volumes out of it that they as men disagreed with.
I was a christian for so long it feels surreal to be on the other side, but this side is so much more accepting and kind. Thank god for this athiest community!
@@godslion2878 So without knowing jackshit about me you are saying that I wasnt a true christian and that I'm angry at something I don't believe exsists, I suppose my christian self would have said the same thing to a non-believer back when I was brainwashed so I cant really blame you. Sorry bud, once the magic trick is explained there's no more beliving in it. c:
@@godslion2878 A bad diet is unhealthy. Nice equivalency you ignorant idiot, you are showing how religion is a 'bad diet'. Too bad religion teaches you to be a sheep, rather than thinking for your self.
God had nothing to do with it, well, as much as the giant cat fish that lives under Japan...This is down to the fact you are capable of thinking, and had the courage to act. This was your win, no God helped, you deserve the pat on the back.
@@godslion2878 Copy and paste? Did Jesus come to make us lazy?
@@godslion2878 Haha dude you're not going to win any "souls" by telling the people you're trying to "save" that they are angry, depraved hogs. Your words just come off as condescending and self-righteous.
Wakes up via alarm clock
Brushes teeth with sonic rechargeable toothbrush
Brews coffee in seconds
Turns on Air Conditioning
Sits down at personal computer
Connects to world wide, near instantaneous communication network
Asks "what the #$%# has science ever done?"
Not only that, but they'll actually try to use science to undermine science, by actively getting PhD's while writing the correct answers in tests and school papers, and then later flaunting their PhD as a way to argue from authority against the scientific field that they supposedly studied and supposedly understand.
Good job creationists! You're officially one of the biggest embarrassments of the human race.
Just imagine if the effort spent on faith was redirected to science. We could accomplish so much.
He specified "... To further our understanding and evidence for god."
@Dark Angel "...they should only be allowed to use stuff that’s basically only available during Bronze Age."
Except... You don't get a Bronze Age without bronze, and you can't get bronze without science. Bronze was a scientific, technological, breakthrough. With world altering military effects.
Ikr?
Next time someone talks about believing something without evidence, ask how they would feel if a jury convicted him/her of murder if there was no evidence.
@@godslion2878 there is evidence to go "on faith" the chips are safe. There is no evidence the bible is correct
@@godslion2878 Words don't kill, or have you found out a word that does? Is it *******?
@@godslion2878 the words of God kill us so I choose to eat the chips
Gods Lion
If the bible was filled with chips I’d open it.
I’ve never looked in one....are they filled with chips?
Gods Lion I am basing my assumption that the chips are safe on previous experience, packaging, FDA, etc. There is more evidence for chips being n a bag labeled as such and being safe to eat than there is of the Bible being reliable or that there is a god. I can’t believe I’m even having this conversation.
Aaron already sounds like he shares secular humanism values. He kind of reminds me of my deconversion. I 'broke down the walls' of Christianity until I looked back - months later - and went, "Which of this stuff do I actually still believe?" I think I was an atheist (subconsciously) way before I admitted it to myself.
@Freed1 and a harsh cloud of fallout
Same for me sort of. Raised catholic from birth. Went through the motions at church every Sunday and also in Catholic school through 5th grade. And up until 4 or so years ago if you had asked me if I believed in god I probably would have said "sure, why not".
But I started watching the AE and heard Matt ask the question "Are you convinced a god exists?" That's when I realized that I've probably always been an Atheist.
I was never convinced of that nonsense.
Yeah thats how it usually goes with deconversions, its fairly common.
No one really wakes up one morning, and magically turns atheist.
22:37 "Well Matt you're a lizard person"
Matt: "you're not supposed to say that live on the air"
I love you guys LOL
@Franz Bayer what are you so upset about? What makes you think I want to be loved by them or my comment liked by them?
He sounded so serious when he said not to say that on the air that I came to TH-cam (I was listening on a podcast app) to look at the comment section and see wtf was up.
I partially heard that with my back turned lol. Had to catch your comment to fully appreciate the joke.
Theology has done nothing but slow our progression. Our superstitions and fears are our own worst enemy. This seems to be the unfortunate result.
@pan dimensional super being bojangles Pastor Landon Spradlin, Bishop Gerald Glenn, Texas preacher Kenneth Copeland...
@pan dimensional super being bojangles What evidence, what have they posted, claimed or called for that isn't based ONLY in 'political' rhetoric. Defund the police, reparations, wealth redistribution...all political, nothing but political. Stop the false equivalency argument.
@pan dimensional super being bojangles that's a very specific... ummm... scenario you described there.... is it on your mind a lot?
@pan dimensional super being bojangles The mere fact that you manage to narrow down gay relationships to butt sex speaks volumes on your general mental functioning.
I take it that most of that butt sex takes place outside your personal observation so what's your real problem with it? There may exist a lot of sexual acts between consenting adults that do not really turn me on but that's hardly a reason to pass judgement...
Must be a bible thumber thing to do just that...
@pan dimensional super being bojangles um...can you read and comprehend ? Where have I accused you of being a bigot?
Cycling to work with the Atheist Experience blasting in my ears is the best thing ever. So glad and also impressive how you guys upload these episodes on Spotify so quickly!
"My degree is in history so I know a thing or two about word entomology."
That really bugged me.
I see what you did there.
I'm glad you caught that, too. Hilarious comment!
The Emostorian (Dr Rich F-G) D’Oh!
Plus...even without the n... *word* etymology.
He was using an antonym.
Don’t change anything, Don! You’re clearly interested in honest discussions, which makes you a great host. As Matt likes to say: ridiculous ideas deserve ridicule by definition. Laughing from time to time is okay and might be completely justified.
Don is fucking awesome
You mean Dan, surely! :P
Don is just a jolly guy. I've never taken Don's laughing to be a slight at callers or their arguments. He's one of the nicest guys on the planet. You never seen him without a smile on his face, even after his husband passed. His husband, by the way, was still religious.
Its about time that i become an actual donating, full fledged member. With how much Matt has helped me in my life, i owe him a hell of a lot more than that.
@Dwayne Shaw I think you replied to the wrong person. Or just made a really weird joke.
@Dwayne Shaw Hahaha this was great.
you will never get to the atheist inner circle!!!
@@Pandalka....which doesn't exist...
@Dwayne Shaw lol
Excellent show. Thank you all. Jim was a great cohost and made some really clear arguments and explanations.
As a Methodist we learned to take from the bible what we could be ok with, and reject everything else. When I did that, I found that most every sentence was scratched through and what was left held no compelling argument for belief. So, I realized then that I am an atheist.
Good for you, you used your brain and came to the only rational conclusion, God doesn't exist, but if i was wrong what a mad cunt of a God it is.🤪
Rejecting the Bible in it's entirety wouldn't make you an Atheist. You would still have to reject all the other books.
Yep. The same. Most of the stuff in the Bible is not acceptable to me. I can’t understand how anyone could read it and stay religious.
@@PaulBrown-uj5le yes. I was 16 at that time!
@@lmnop1022 As I did! Religion ultimately has little to do with "god" overall. But with all the supernatural bullshit added in it is not even a decent work of fiction. Which is where one should find it in the library or bookstore!
Matt needs to invite Penn Jillette to be co-host, so they can answer all the bullshit, do all the magic and talk about atheism.
Yes, yes! Underrated comment.
That would be bomb! Teller would be great as well, he's very well spoken
Yeah but Penn Jillette would be terrible at debate, so it wouldnt add value to the show.
@@YouCensored 1. As much as i've watched this show, there is hardly any need for debate skills here. 'cause most callers deny any reason and presume anything and everything on faith.
2. Considering he has actually written books about atheism, and you got to have logical thinking to do magic, i wouldn't be sure of your assessment of Penn not knowing how to debate.
"Whenever two or more are gathered..." I brought this up to an apologist once. The reason that he gave was that Jesus was talking to the apostles, who had already been empowered to do miracles, and not to the readers of the bible. So, what I'm thinking is why even bother putting Jesus' words in the bible if they were not intended for Christians other than the apostles?
I said a lot of things back then. I was off my head on drugs tbh.
@@godslion2878 Why don't you answer his question instead of deflecting. I don't hate you. I can't hate you. I don't know you. But I would like to know why you think it is okay to murder babies just because someone/thing told you too.
Apologist are very good at coming up with one-off explanations, but when they are applied to other parts of the scripture they don't work (see Dwayne Shaw).
@@godslion2878 That's not an answer. That's a question. Answering a question with a question is an evasion technique.
@@godslion2878 Then it is okay to own another person as a piece of property.
22:37 oh boy, here we go! What’s the problem not enough emails in your inbox jim? you had too go and throw that out there. ROFL 🤣 I literally had Pepsi come out my nose when he said that.
"How to Spot a False Prophet"
If it comes true...it was God.
If not...it was Satan.
..
That was in a pamphlet for (JW's I think?), that I saw back in the late 80's. With logic like that, it pretty much explains the entire mindset of a truly religious person.
@Dwayne Shaw right? I hate when people justify lives spared as being spared by G-d, but lives lost were just - what? Collateral damage? It makes no sense and is so insulting the the memories of those who died.
Then, Satan keeps winning over and over....just sayin'.
Jack prophesies that the Raptors will win the game. Bill prophesies Celtics will win.
Raptors win.
Therefore Bill is a demon.
Let's burn Bill?
Orrrrrrr.....
@@linzermusik hey! god murders everybody
RDE Lutherie sick and true, just how I like it!!!!
I just realized why I love this show. People that have these arguments in their own head that have never had a 2 sided conversation going against the sharp articulate unforgiving Matt D. These idiots think that they are not going to fall into the same trap every jackass before them did but without fail or faith, they do.
aaron :D . mind stuck in a loop, matt is the voice trying to snap aaron out of it... alas, it failed.
it's why famous apologists like William Lane Craig piss their pants in terror and run away from debating Matt, they know they'll get donkey-stomped into the ground.
"I don't have any way to justify, or demonstrate, the truth of my beliefs, but I believe them anyway, because I'm an idiot, and they make me feel good."
He sounds like the guy who gets his moral from god who is a concept that he gets from the Bible but god didn’t write the Bible ... so ...
Why should anyone feel the need to justify or demonstrate the truth of their beliefs? Nobody owes you an explanation for their beliefs.
@@johnfrancis2404 If you hold beliefs that you cannot justify with demonstrable evidence, then no one else has any reason to believe that your beliefs are true. You can believe whatever you want, but don't expect your beliefs to be taken seriously by anyone else until you can support them with evidence you can demonstrate to others.
@@gratefulapostate3123 I fail to understand why I should be concerned in the least whether anyone takes my beliefs seriously. I don't ask anyone to share my beliefs or agree with them. My only concern is that I not be persecuted by the mob for holding them.
@@johnfrancis2404 I don't know what you believe personally, but the Abrahamic religions have a long history of the mob persecuting those who reject their beliefs. At least atheists aren't burning anybody at the stake for heresy.
No evidence of any claimed God again this week again :( Or for the last 20+ years!
Stunning, isn't it?
This time next year, still no evidence for someone’s imaginary friend.
@@TshaajThomas Knowledge is free. And we keep asking the ones in the know, and their responses are pathetic.
Tshaaj Thomas Yeah, I’ve learned that a gifted 8 year old would roll his eyes at the bullshit you Christians believe.
@@TshaajThomas We don't charge people to learn how to reason effectively. Even a child can do it. I wonder why theists are scared of reason though? They don't believe in an unreasonable claimed God I hope!
Adrian: 'What you're saying isn't helping.'
Me: You're right, he's destroying your argument.
Yeah, Adrian seemed to think that Matt and Jim were there to bolster his nonsensical arguments.
Rather sad.
I just wonder, why some of these theist think atheism makes a morality claim? It doesn't.
@Ray Carter 15 to 24 year olds, mostly in the south, where religion is the most common.
@@vernonchitlen8958 Good to see your pro gay rights, and pro gay marriage, you know, monogamy and all...
I'm actually gay. Thought it was obvious. Btw, John gave me syphilis.
Here's a challenge:
Three or more Christians should come together and *sincerely* pray for all children to be *immediately* and *totally* free of all forms of cancers.
Surely, an all powerful, all loving diety would have no qualms with answering that prayer...no?
Old challenge...they answer it by saying we don't understand God's plan
@@markburch6253
Then wouldn't that mean their god's a d*ck?
If you could stop children from suffering, wouldn't you?
What kind of 'plan' includes the pain of children??
An entire section of the Catholic mass is just a series of we pray for ... Some things are on that list every single week, so clearly god is not delivering.
@RDE Lutherie They do this every Sunday.
@@markburch6253 "...we don't understand God's plan" Yet, these same people would say that they KNOW god wants to be believed in otherwise he will punish us, god wants to be obeyed otherwise he will punish us, god created a whole universe just for our sake (or maybe just to get a chance to punish us, heh), and on and on. Funny how they hide behind an enigma when it contradicts their mythology.
The crying of a child got Carl really hard
PHRASING, CARL!
Adrian from TX is exactly how flat earthers sound to me!
I have yet to call anyone stupid on this show. I won't start now but...........................................................................................?
This program is magical.
It's godly.
Aaron, morality is an EVOLUTIONARY process. Our species learned very early on that, as tribes, we needed to take care of our group. It was the only way to propagate the species. Murder, rape, theft would degrade the viability of the group. Our well being among others in our society is based on Evolution. It's not "biblical" or any other religious development.
@Yokai369 The musings of a sociopath...
@Yokai369 Some of your statements border on the ridiculous. "Murder eliminates weaker members"?? Tell that to Mrs Lincoln. My point was not one of logic, only the scientific view that human empathy towards other humans is rooted in evolution, not theism. Of course there are examples of outliers, but that does not refute the biological mechanisms that propagate the species. ANY SPECIES. We have morality because we are genetically evolved to have empathy towards others of our species. At least the majority population does.. The actions of protecting the tribe or family unit can be observed in multiple species, not just humans. This predisposition to protect each other is millions of years old, not something that just came about in the last 2000 years. You are mixing up theology with evolutionary biology.
AZ8theist
"morality is an EVOLUTIONARY process"
Scientists have found that even some social species of animals have a sense of morality. There was a story I read of a wolf tribe that either kicked out or killed a female member who was acting in an antisocial manner (she may have killed some cubs, or something along those lines). I don't remember the specifics. But "morality" would be incredibly useful to the survival of any social group. So, those members who are naturally more "understanding" of the needs of others would really add to the chance that the group lives on.
@@SamIAm-kz4hg I think you agree with my point. "Morality", in human terms, is most often associated with religion and god. The apologists say you cannot have morality without god. I say nonsense. As you pointed out, some species of social animals perform societal functions with inbred empathy. They didn't get it from reading a holy book. My whole point in refuting the other poster regarding murder, theft, rape, etc., was that empathy towards others for the preservation of the "tribe" or group is a result of BIOLOGICAL EVOLUTION, not the scribbling of ancient goat herders who didn't know what lightning was.....
MORALITY... That which maximises health, happiness and well-being and minimises unnecessary harm and suffering for all.
Is anyone else having A Life of Brian moments today with Jim's challenge?
Splitters!
I like this combo! You both complement well.
A rock used as a hammer is not designed, adapted may be the word.
I'd prefer the term "purposed." A rock on its own has no purpose. It just sits there. Using it for practical application is creating a purpose for it. Adaptation is when something has a function already but its use is refined for a more precise or entirely new purpose. For example, a squirrel has a function of surviving in a forest but through adaptation it may survive very well in a specific forest region or in an entirely new environment like a grassland.
@@MunkyDrag0n the way I understand it, a rock is not a hammer. One could design and make a hammer with a rock, by tying it to a stick for example with vine or rope or whatever, or chisel it in to a specific shape. But the "hammer" is the specific intended implementation of creating a tool. The "hammer" is designed, not the things it's made of. If you break the rock from the stick, it's no longer a hammer and no more "designed".
Ah yes!!!! Jesus Versace the designer god.
Carl - Ontario might be the most wonderful "atheist" call in EVER on the show. Brought me to tears Carl. Thank you, I needed that ...
Saying don't do this don't do that isn't morality it's just rules. It's also why theists can never give reasons to the why of any of their commandments or "teachings". What point is giving guidelines to life if the reasons for their being there in the first place aren't explained? It's like telling a child off for breaking a rule and you answer because I said so, does the child learn anything? No.
There is so much ambiguity in all religious texts and the only way to solve that is for the author to explain what they've wrote. But of course that's never going to happen.
@@godslion2878 forgive the sin that he himself imposed on all of humanity because he couldn't look after 2 babies? How nice of him to create a son then sacrifice him to appease himself for mistakes which are wholly his own. Such a great god.
If you want to get philosophical about peace and love go follow Buddhism. The god you follow now ain't all sunshine and rainbows, it's a bunch of myths which make zero sense.
@@godslion2878 Do you honestly think anyone is going to take you seriously when you call us 'my brethren'?
@@godslion2878 Here's why... because you sound sanctimonius, and that puts people off. Secondly, I am not 'practicing' unbelief. My unbelief is a natural reaction to people like yourself who have deemed themselves experts on the mind of God, and that puts me off. Third, your 'specs on the windshield' analogy suggests we shouldn't question theistic claims. If that's true, then I would accept all theistic claims. Are all theistic claims true, brother?
1:13:33: every car driver from today is the Designer of every car while driving.😂😂😂
Every response from that caller was 🤔🤦♂️.
In the eyes of many christians Matt Dillahunty would be considered more evil and immoral than Charles Manson because Manson encouraged the physical death of a few people but "The Atheist Matt" encourages the spiritual death of thousands of listeners by leading them away from the lord. So some Christian's would put Matt's life below Manson's. I know this doesn't go along with Jim's point which he is spot on about instead I'm just putting a twist on his example to show how immoral the Christian moral ideal can be.
Thank the people who signed the declaration of independence. The fanatics can't make us obey their insane interpretation of the bible. Jefferson understood that book better than the so-called righteous people today who hate so easily.
What's your point?
@Streetsdisciple001 he was? Thats a miraculous revelation to me.
Matt to Aaron: You’re pretty much an atheist!
Dammit, I missed this week! I would have enjoyed watching this one live but I forgot it was Sunday (stupid lockdown)
Them: Let me tell you about god.
Me: But what about...?
Them: Oh, we can't understand god's ways.
Heyyy... Matt, WHERE are You finding these unicorns that shit ice cream? All the ones around me shit... McDonalds Big Macs. lol
For our Canadian friends: 501 C3s are non-profit organizations, and exempt from taxation. However, going into opposing or supporting a political candidate will get your tax-exempt status revoked if the IRS finds out about it.
..unless you're a church. Then you can tell folks who God wants you to vote for. Record it. Send it to the I R S. And brag about it online and in the media. And the I R S guy will hide under the desk.
Unless you are a church, because they get special treatment.
Also... *For our friends outside the US:...
(I'm Canadian.
Sorry.)
I love Matt's response to the 'Were you there?' question. I hope there are teachers who are using it!
We can deduce reality without being there. Indirect evidence. I'm laying on the beach alone and fall asleep for a few minutes and wake up and see a set of footprints in the sand in front of me and stretching down the beach, the shoreline, up and down the beach. Even though I wasn't there in a conscious sense, awake, I can *_deduce_* a person walked down the beach while I slept.
Noun. 1. indirect evidence - evidence providing only a basis for inference about the fact in dispute. circumstantial evidence. evidence - (law) all the means by which any alleged matter of fact whose truth is investigated at judicial trial is established or disproved.
“Where did the universe come from? What was there before it? What will the future bring? And finally, why is there something rather than nothing?”
One of the few prominent scientists today to have crossed the chasm between science and popular culture, Krauss describes the staggeringly beautiful experimental observations and mind-bending new theories that demonstrate not only can something arise from nothing, something will always arise from nothing.
As a matter of fact nothing does not exist, that's why we label it "nothing," it *_can't be the cause of everything!_*
Matt: "his guest was john de lancie"
Me: *pause*, *duplicate tab*, *watches DeLancie*
i'll be back to watch the rest of this in a couple hours :D sorry Matt, but we're talking about Q here!
😂😂😂😂 I’m bug from Arlington tthat calls in and talks to Matt occasionally. I loved Adrians call!! That little thinking exercise with the rock was soooo funny I’m at work crying at Matt’s face while he was listening
Poor Aaron. :( He sounds like a guy who knows he isn't a Christian, but REALLY REALLY REALLY wants to be...because he probably has friends and family, and probably many sources around him and it would just make things easier. He's looking for a 'reason' to be moral as opposed to just being moral because he is. Kinda like a parent that hates carrots pretending to like mushed-carrots in order to get their baby to eat it ("MMmmmmm! *gag*....yu...y...yuummmy...yum...*gag gag*...Yummy carrots! [tear rolls out corner of eye]..." ;) ).
I thought he was a good caller. He was really struggling and I wish Matt had been more patient and helped the man out. I thought Matt was really an asshole to him.
@@deeanna8448 You try dealing patiently with the first 1,000 people who can't get rid of God in their lives because their parents corked religion into their heads and then do it for the next 20 years and come back and talk to Matt about it.
I love how Matt blew up the second the guy mentioned eating meat. He is so on guard against the Vegans now.
@@scipioafricanus5871 Dude, that isn't a fucking excuse to be an asshole... Maybe he should take a break from doing the show for a couple weeks so he stops being a prick to callers. He shouldn't be putting the stress of dealing with other callers onto other callers Each call is different and they shouldn't be shunned and taken down because Matt's had to deal with other callers in the past. That's not fair. He needs to take a couple weeks off of the show and recharge.
@@deeanna8448 Yup, I agree. The guy sounded like he needed some empathic advice. He should have called Eric and Vi, in my opinion.
As a former Toronto Mayor used to say, "You can't lead a dead horse to water."
Anytime I hear someone say "A Designer God", I think of a god wearing designer fashion clothes.
God is a label queen. Didn't you know?!
A god with overly-perfect short-trimmed facial hair.
Hipster god
1:15:53 I think a more effective approach for this guy would be to simply accept for the sake of argument his redefinition of design and then ask if me picking up a rock and using it to drive a nail changes how it came into existence or why it possesses the qualities it does. Is the rock i used as a hammer suddenly and retroactively the product of agency?
Is morality really that hard for people to understand?
We are social creatures, we have empathy. That alone should be a good enough foundation to start building morality from. Why do we need to justify what we can already demonstrate with tired old "holy" books?
@Rebecca Leeman completely agree
I liked Gene’s call about the best way to handle educating people. He seems like a fantastic educator who really cares about people knowing the truth.
Aaron: Having seen how most people act, I watch the show religiously in the same way people go to church religiously since that seems to mean 'irregularly and at my convenience' ;)
Gene, as a kid that fucked around in class a lot I can tell you that it’s all about motivation.
Show them WHY they should be interested to know how the world works.
If they aren’t motivated, they won’t care.
Good luck!
Aaron wants labels to describe beliefs but then he says he is a Christian that doesn’t believe a lot of the Bible. So his label wouldn’t match his beliefs.
Matt your a phenomenon.listening to you break and undo the rigid doctrination from callers is the best
Aaron is one of the "Christian" means good people.
I think A. Aron is very confused
i had this discussion with my housemate who calls herself a christian and says that 'all good people go to heaven' i tried to explain to her that she's not really a christian, then, but she wouldn't have it... though that is kind of inverse to your statement...
@@jimmythebold589 She obviously doesn't read her bible or if she reads it doesn't believe it.
Jimmy TheBold As a Christian myself, I agree with you. Tell her to read Romans 3 where Paul sums up Gods view on ALL of humanity, including Christians.
@@funkmonk5921 As confused as Dee-nice?
Thank you for this.
Regarding the fellow who was comparing Covid cases in Canada to the US, our total population is less than that of California, so of course we have less cases and deaths. However, our rate of infection is far and away more under control than in the US. Our young people are just as determined to gather together against what is recommended because of pandemic fatigue. We do have nut cases who think it's a hoax and have irrational and stupid reasons not to wear a mask and social distance. Places of worship are just beginning to open with caution requiring masks and social distancing being enforced. (Total cases: 123,000 (198 today), 9,000 deaths and 108,000 recoveries. The town I live in hasn't had a case since July 26th and only 14 total and no deaths).
The questions Jim put in the begging -on “knowledge” from Theology- are great. And a unanswered.
Don's laugh has helped me smile in tough times. Never stop laughing heartily at dumb stuff, Don.
Another awesome show
Nine little words (plus punctuation) to live by:
Is it kind?
Is it necessary?
Is it honest?
'Bible! We don need no stinken bible!'
No unnecessary kindness allowed
This is a serious message to Gene from Pa. I teach biology, chemistry, and computer science at a college in Md (I used to be from Pa too...but wandered south a bit). I have had students ask me similar questions in the past (almost always put up to it by their preacher or b/c they watch AIG or Ray Comfort, etc, and often attempting to be disruptive). Here is how I've handled the two most common of these:
Q1) Where you there?
R1) Take a moment to think about how the world would work if this was a legitimate argument. We would not be able to teach that George Washington was our first president because none of us were there to see it. Similarly, we would not be able to accept that slavery ever existed and thus wouldn't be able to learn from our past mistakes. We would have to release every criminal ever convicted because not only were we not there, but neither was the judge or any member of the jury.
Q2) Doesn't the 2nd law of thermodynamics disproves evolution (or rarely big bang)?
R2) Could you explain how? And at this point, about 3/4 of them admit they have no idea why it would but someone with influence on them put them up to it. Most of the rest say something like, "Because it says everything in the universe is decaying in disorder, but evolution says complex life comes from simpler life." And then I explain that scientific laws are descriptive and since so many observations contradict that incorrect definition of the 2nd law that if it actually said that, it would never have become a law in the first place because in addition to disproving evolution it would also 'disprove' trees, snowflakes and even make blinking your eyes impossible. Most give up here, but a few ask for examples or for what I meant by the last statement:
Ex 1: A tree or bush is more complex than the seed that produced it and the seed itself is more complex than the gametes that produced it.
Ex 2: A snowflake is more complex than the water molecules that produced it.
Ex 3: The ATP that lets you blink your eyes is more complex than the adenine, the ribose, and the phosphates that your body used to make it.
I then give the class an extra credit opportunity where they can research the 2nd law and how things that seem to violate it really work/are able to 'violate' it without actually violating it.
I just wanted them to ask Aaron why he has to believe in a god in order to use a few things from the Bible. As an atheist, I can also agree with a few things from the Bible without believing it was inspired by a god. Wouldn’t he feel the same about the things in the Bible regardless of his godbelief?
You can do everything you're saying without adding the part "As an atheist" too.
@@danielcox6143 Oh yes. That was exactly my point. I was just giving in example, and I decided to use the example that both he and I shared (since he had been an atheist before and I am one).
Precisely. The thing that always bothers me about this morality argument (without God there is no morality) is that it ignores the obvious fact that the morality that is attributed to God is simply the invention of humans who are expressing a human desire to protect their tribe and minimize suffering. When human beings write their code of conduct in a book and attribute it to God, it is still a human invention that either stands or falls on its own merit.
@@johnfrancis2404 There are two sides, one attributes one thing and the other a different thing.
@@FuryWings27 "I'm an atheist." I don't accept that. You can't present an argument for what you disagree with.
He's including himself in the book club because being in the club is more important then what is in the book!
Shame Don is moving on I feel he was a better host then some but then a lot of good hosts have moved on to better things so I wish him the best. Gonna miss him and the others that left but hopefully a visit from time to time would be great.
PETERed Out
Yeah, it is sad he left.
@RDE Lutherie
Right, i had missed him quite a while. Sad he left.
@RDE Lutherie
Right, but i liked his way to look at things. And his series about christian failure was awesome.
Yay! Jim is one of my favorite guest hosts. WOOHOO!!
Why doesn't Aaron just admit that he has a stronger base for morality than the Bible? I'm assuming he hasn't committed genocide just to teach a lesson. Why is he looking so hard to drink someone else's Kool-Aid?
Sounded like to me he was raised believing in morality through a god, and since he hadn't found a better system yet decided to go with his brain + a little of the good morality parts of the bible, which is actually a better system than just the bible.
@@ShaleAudio The point is that there is no need to combined anything. Are you saying that Aaron couldn't figure out "thou shall not kill" without the Bible? He rejects the things he disagree with, and accept the things that he already finds subjectively moral. So does he really need to believe in talking snakes and zombies to be moral?
@@JohnVC Was the guy trying to figure out what he should do, or why he should or shouldn't do things? Is it ok to kill in your world view? Self Defense? To eat? How did you come to these conclusions? Not really going to bother going much further since you way oversimplified the whole thing.
@@ShaleAudio There is no morality that you can get from the Bible that I can't get on my own. In fact, since I don't condone slavery and a lot of the idiocy in it, my morality is superior to that of he Bible. Aaron should follow me.
Jim Barrows is so fucking cool. Good to see him back!
Jim needs to upgrade his internet bandwidth. Matt's picture is crystal clear and Jim is all pixelated.
It felt like the opposite when it was live lol Matt’s video kept lagging for me
Yeah, I have the same setup for previous shows, and this one was laggy. Working on fixing that.
In the winter, some crows use trash as sleds on people's roofs. A coffee can lid was designed to contain coffee, but can be used for something else.
Jim is great! What new knowledge has religion discovered lately?
Yeah, great challenge!
zempath I’m glad you committed. I had a look at your channel and your science playlist is full of videos I haven’t seen yet. I saved all to my ‘watch later’ list. Many thanks!
@zempath Well its cos... 5, right, and G is the 7th letter of the alphabet, average them together? 6! And that's just two 6's away from the devils number, OBVIOUSLY illuminati confirmed! :P
Adrian. I happen to know flint knapping. I CAN take a naturally occurring rock and DESIGN it to serve a purpose as an arrowhead or handaxe... alternately I can just pick up a naturally occurring sharpish rock and use it as an arrowhead or handaxe.
In one case, I DESIGNED something, in the other I just used an undesigned thing for a PURPOSE it was not designed for.
Likewise I KNOW car rims are DESIGNED to hold tires and thus allow a car to function. Alternately I can USE that rim for the PURPOSE of a planter or Firepit, a PURPOSE it was definitively NOT DESIGNED for.
If we’re in made gods image, I don’t think I want to meet him.
I always ask theists who say this: So their God evolved from apes too? So, not in the same image then.
@Yokai369 We already know as FACT that human species over time evolved from apes, right?
So over time, did this claimed God descend from apes? 200K years ago he was an ape?
No? Then he's NOT in the same image.
Hey, let's get serious...
God knows what he's doin'
He wrote this book here
An' the book says:
"He made us all to be just like him, "
So...
If we're dumb...
Then God is dumb...
an' maybe even a little ugly on the side.
Even more nonsensical comments Chris? You just can’t help yourself can you, you just gotta show off your ignorance.
@@massey904
And yet you can't tell the difference by looking at their image. Fail
Did anyone else see the Liquid Death Ad come up on this video? That shit was hilarious, it was the first Ad I actually watched entirely in a long time.
God Awful Movies podcast select their ads (ie not just algo) and do comedy ad reads. They did a few Liquid Death ads.
Greatpodcast too, btw.
Aaron REALLY misses the point when he says that there are a lot of things in the Bible that you would agree are moral. Matt already made the point twice. This is a clear example of you ALREADY having a set of morals, and then coming to the Bible and seeing what you happen to agree with. You don't actually need to read the Bible since you've already got morality.
Done.
"Being is" I love it. Nice John Paul Sartre reference.
Re Adrian and his rock/hammer quandary, If Jim picks up a rock and employs it as a hammer, it doesn't become a hammer. Let's say he hammers the nail and, having finished with the rock, he tosses it aside. What he tossed aside was not a hammer, it was a non-designed rock. If I then picked up that same rock and used it to beat some sense into Adrian's head, it would still be a rock...maybe put to a better use.
Aaron sounded truly lost and needed gentle coaching to help him understand where he stands.
Poor Aaron. I hope he learns something from this encounter.
The second i use my remote as a backscratcher, it becomes a backscratcher... it sucks for both purposes.
It's still a remote control. A thing is what it is based on the properties that comprise that thing. A ball is a ball because of its sphericity. You could use a cube by rolling it around on your carpeting, but it's still a cube.
Most of the callers should visit Logic101
Das stimmt ...............
@RDE Lutherie Ich weiss, ganz unsinn ..................
I know this won't be a popular comment, but the best part of this show was Matt mentioning that Don Baker won't be a regular host anymore. That is great news, as he really adds little to the show outside of him laughing at his own comments or jokes.
Yeah that's excellent news to me as well, I also don't like Don Baker, he's way too mediocre to be a co-host, he can barely defend a position because his arguments aren't that good and he can't even finish his own arguments either because he stops in the middle to cackle and leave the argument unfinished, the other host (usually Matt) is the one that needs to pick it up where he left it and finish it.
I also find Don's cackle to be cringie, disrespectful and makes the show look unprofessional, Don barely adds anything to the show, the only thing he does here is cackle.
Carl.... that was a long-ass detailed story just to call up and brag. It's great what you did calling up for your 15 minutes of fame is kind of pathetic
Yeah, next week he can call in and tell us a story about saving a litter of kittens from a burning building.
Joe from Lebanon seems to have it worked out. "These religions were started by eccentric people...." A profound understatement imo, the guy should be a diplomat.
The first caller: I usually hear theists use circular argument to (fallaciously) prove their point. This guy uses circular argument to disprove his own point.
Well, a circular argument can neither be a proof or a disproof for anything, as it's fallacious and has to be disregarded anyways.
@Bad oMaN Really? Let's say I have a book that says on page 1: This book has a page 2. Then you check and there is a page 2 that says: Here is page 2. It is here because page 1 said so. Proof done.
This is a circular argument, but page 2 still exists. So you have a circular argument, but that didn't prove anything. A circular argument can not be used to conclude anything. It can neither prove or disprove.
You are saying that it's a circular argument and that proves it false. Well: there was still a page 2.
@Bad oMaN no, a circular argument is pretty simple. if a then b, if b then a. bible is word of god, therefore god exists. god exists, therefore bible is word of god.
I might note that this circular example also neither disproves god or disproves that the bible is the word of god. All it does is: okay this is a circular reasoning, we have to dismiss this argument.
@Bad oMaN wrong. The example argument I presented is circular, whether you begin with the assumption that it's already true or not. The argument is circular in structure, that is what makes it fallacious. if a then b, if b then a. That structure is fallacious no matter if you take a (or b) as already true or not.
@Bad oMaN That's the thing. I can tell you that page 2 exists because page 1 says so and vice versa, but before I give you the book, you won't know. All you can say is I don't follow that logic. However, to conclude that therefore page 2 and page 1 don't exist because the argument is circular is wrong. I might then give you a book and it has no page 1 or 2. Or it has. So you proved my point. A circular argument does neither prove or disprove anything. And it can never because it is fallacious. To conclude ANYTHING from a fallacious argument is by definition fallacious. Again, a circular argument disproves nothing. Actual evidence proves or disproves a thing.
Morality- theist vs atheist. When I was a theist, i was trying to be a good person. Now I'm an atheist and I'm BETTER person. One thing changed. Before, I wasn't sure about same-sex marriage: church teaches it's a sin. Now I KNOW that same-sex marriage it's OK. It's OK to be gay... It's OK to do things in your own way. Your life your way. My life my way.
Aaron's foundation for morality is a book with which he disagrees, lol. Too bad he can't embrace his own non-theist beliefs. Mark trying to water down proof reminds me of the guy that unsuccessfully tried to present a "provable" version of the supernatural, long back. As for Adrian, people using these worn out arguments should really just Google them in today's world, to put them to rest.
It seems to me that well-being is a better gauge than happiness because some people can be happy doing things that are harmful to them.
Some people may take offence at Don's laughter, and dig in their heels deeper, but when it comes to peer pressure, getting laughed at will just as often make you reconsider if your ideas aren't really laughable. We all experience this growing up unless we are excessively sheltered. That seems to be the problem with religion. For too long it has been a spoiled child that has had its own way.
NO PANTS! TMI Matt. how will I ever get that image out of my head. lmao Freeze! keep your hands where we can see them.
My concept of God can beat up your concept of God.
I've never watched Truth Wanted, but I'm definitely going to watch that episode, because I'm a huge John de Lancie/Discord fan
Dude I'm a Seattle Mariner fan and I can tell you that prayer does not work
joe from lebanon is right in calling out don baker's mocking of theist callers. i agree with him - laughing at people (theists) for having irrational beliefs isn't doing them any favours.
Design happens first. Then the thing is made. You can't make it and then design it.
On the first look, i agree that you can't make it and then design it. Though i do not agree that design must be first. It happens a lot, that making and designing happen simultanously. Art would be a perfect example for that. But still, once the thing is finished, the designing part must be finished as well. Until someone decides to change the design. You see the problem here? I find the idea of making a difference between design and purpose to be the better approach. It highlights the fact, that for instance in the stone/hammer example, the stone already existed and was not altered in any way. It is quite hard to witness people not even understanding such basic thing as the definition of design.
The cantor and tone of James' voice uncannily resembles the boy in the killing of a sacred deer lol
@ Aaron, there's no religious basis for morality, you just follow orders.
Selects the orders himself. Scribbles others in. Calls it Absolute Morality.
Jim is also very good!!!
Greetings from Brazil!
Rick and prayers, so basically the story goes like, all of us are prisoners of a terrorist that puts us to the test. He says, I want you all to pray for my grace in your minds, and I’ll make some of you die young, some others live a miserable life and someone live a good life and you cannot know the criteria I’ll use to distribute my grace, but BEWARE IF YOU DON’T PRAY TO ME , well the same things will happen , yeah right!
The loving gods blackmail!
Yeah, but apparently its all OK, because this God created everything, so according to the rule of "Might Makes Right", God is morally right, and anything he says goes.
And thats the morality of the God of the Bible in a nutshell. Good job Christians!
sooo fun great talks..!!
Jim needs to learn when to shut up.
Jim should be on more often, always entertaining... As are all the hosts!