Thanks for being so brave Nuriyah! My ex used Talaq as a weapon against me, and there are many crazy stories that I have from my marriage! He was preaching in mosques and secretly had girlfriends and a porn addiction. Of course, as he is a man he had the full support of his mosque and family, and I was portrayed as crazy. Last month I got full justice from the courts here in the divorce process. The ex got a full telling off by the judge! Would I have gotten justice in a Muslim country? Nope, never! I have 5 kids and he had wanted to discard me and take them to Pakistan. Our culture and religion totally support this disgusting, degrading treatment of women. I recently started an Islamic Trauma Healing online space for Muslims with Religious Trauma as I had difficulty getting the support I needed. Becoming religious really hurt me. I'm happy you are speaking out, so other women have this awareness. Never knew Dubai was that bad. Thanks for sharing.
You left your religion, your belief system for a religion that clearly says that non-Muslims will go to hell, and more than that idol worshippers will burn in hell. So when you get disconnected from your roots, you weaken yourself. We have so many cases in India where non-Muslim women are being targeted by Muslim men with pseudo names but then,these women have no rights as they are not Muslims. Global media tragets those who are trying to educate people about this crisis because we live in a highly politically motivated world.
I have British friends that have worked in Dubai. They fall into 2 distinct groups. Those that loved it, liked the lifestyle, the extravagance, the wealth. Those that hated it, saw the inequality, saw how much of a facade it was, saw the fascism.
@@alundavies1016 would that everyone fell in that second camp. Good lord, the way some people turn a blind eye to (and often willingly profit from) suffering and injustice is something I will never understand.
@@Rain_Reign What I find odd is that we seem to born the way we are in that respect, and neither side can change even if they want to. This life is something else.
One of the things that I love about Shelise is she actually lets the guest tell her story. The questions she asks are more to help clarify things as opposed to putting her own inference. It’s very organic.. keep up the good work❤
I have so many Persian friends and acquaintances that are women who have so many stories to tell of how they escaped Iran to come to the USA. The Iranians are not our enemy I tell people all the time. May Adonai help the people of Iran.
Who toppled the government and installed or propped up the shah? What that did is breed Islamic extremism. The people who say the are the leader of the free world and impose their secular religion on the Middle East should not be trusted. Why only the Middle East or Arab nations with these atrocious tribal behavior?
I was in riyadh in the 90s as a child but because we were non Muslims we didn’t go to the mosque. Omg I can’t believe people would pray to god and then watch someone get murdered. This is insane!!!
They do the same thing in Afghanistan, and, to a somewhat lesser extent, in Iran. Penalties for crimes of hudud (crimes against "god") are meant to be delivered in public, as a means of instilling fear and discouraging the misbehavior of others.
It's just about as insane as calling ones self a devout follower of JC, profess allegiance to the Ten Commandmants, then vote for, participate in, support, and glorify US militarism (imperialism) in the world, over demanding peace or being a non-affiliate consciencious objector. So-called Christians in our government are allowing mass imigration into the US hoping to harvest them for farm (under paid) workers and volunteer soldiers (with the promise of citizenship for them and their families.) War is nothing but an exercise in for-profit. Religion, I have come to understand, is a male tool of manipulation. "Tyranny will come wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross."
A nurse I work with worked in Riyadh at a hospital overlooking an oval where punishments took place. She said she could see people being decapitated from there. She also commented on the number of women admitted classified as attempted suicide who had stab wounds to their backs
That's crazy because the area chop chop city women are not allowed to watch. I lived there 35 months and did not see that. My husband was a radiologist there for over 12 years. He knew the place but women were forbidden to watch, go to funerals, etc
Ikr imagine if her family were also pushing her to stay with her husband, many women are living like that in the Islamic world 😕 between a rock and a hard place
My mother's coworker who had american citizenship but had been born in Saudi, was detained because she was frustrated at the airport and muttered something bad about the country, she was able to get out because she worked at a Navy hospital close to Washington DC and was an american citizen. This woman grew up i it, and left for good reason. The western liberal college women converting to Islam baffles me.
Liberal college educated women joining any religion baffles me... I imagine each has a deeply personal reason for doing so, but that's a hard pass for me
Since universities no longer inculcate an admiration for civilisation and it's fruits, a passion for good looking men can be all the incentive a young woman needs
It's mostly out of love and marriage Muslim men seek to marry Christian women or Non Muslim women in order to increase their hold over another country. How do you think Turkey and other Muslim countries turned Muslim majority. Conquering through the wombs. Aka Islamazing the wombs. They don't allow their sisters to marry Non Muslim men. See the strategy here?
I could walk from my home to The Clock Tower. (Chop Chop Square). I went there but never on Friday. The thing that frightened me the most was the Islamic Police. (The Religious Police)(Wutawa) They could just pick you up off the street. I walked almost every place. The few times that I took a Taxi was with several other females and we always stayed together. I got out in a very tricky way....sh%#ting a brick until the plane was in the air. THEN they kept calling me in North America to return and I was threatened with the statement (The Saudi government has a long memory)...I would never set foot in any Middle Eastern country all these years later
@jacquelinemarie; Israel is quiet different, I lived there as a young Scandinavian woman both in the Arabic areas and later in Jewish areas. It was never frightening or scary in either places. I travelled through the whole country numerous times with my backpack. My friend did the same in Marocco and she said it was the same there,nothing to be afraid of. So there ARE peaceful countries for tourists in the Middle east. Allthough NOW I don't know if it will ever be safe again to go to Israel...and imagine IF it becomes Palestine...then they will become a new sharia-country.
@@mrsTraveller64 Morocco is not in the Middle East. If I wanted to travel to a Middle Eastern country that is relatively safe for women travellers I'd go to one that hasn't achieved that by committing genocide, e.g. Lebanon. Although not right now because Israel is threatening their peace.
My ex is pakistani from birth. Our daughter is half norwegian. His family, very traditional. Even living here in Scandinavia. He had to follow his family in the end. Doing their thing. Against his own will. He was forced to stop his contact with our daughter after some years. Pakistanies often push away children they have with none pakistanies. But he was not strong enough to continue contact after she was 18. And he changed totally after this. Lots of "children" experience this. Today im happy i did get away from it. And my daughter is Free❤ Thank you both for sharing this. Its not surprising to me, but its very sad indeed. Wish you both all the best. Brave young woman❤ Ine, Norway.
Its their way. I assume his new wife has brothers. Their culture is into honor you know. It can also effect men. And maybe they told him to stop or they hurt our daugther.. I dont know. She has had no contact with her siblings. He had children in the forced marriage he is into. I know his life is not easy.
@@betsybabf748These men don’t officially recognize their children because their mothers are Christians. But to used them sexually it’s fine for them. They have no idea what they do to those innocent children.
Terribly sad. Even unnecessary by their standards. Most Pakistani’s actually marry their cousins though so I’m not surprised. They can be very close knit internally. My father is Indian, he isn’t the most functional father, never well employed or able to provide, but he is very attached. I’m 36 and we still talk on the phone all the time. I’m always grateful for being loved by my parents.
Anytime someone needs to escape a horrible situation and can’t bring their animal, my heart breaks even further. So proud of this strong woman for how far she has come.
When she said this part, my feelings let loose, so sad what she went through but deserve praise how she decided not to give up, much respect from the bottom of my heart, blessings flow❤
Protect Nuriya at all cost. So well spoken and she speaks the truth. Love that this is finally becoming mainstream, sad it's taken so long but better late than never. Shalise thank you for bringing this to the masses! Love Nuriyah ❤🇬🇧
I am so afraid for the women that speak out who have lived through Sharia Law. I am deeply saddened that there are so many women living through this. Instead of males that are fighting ages claiming asylum in America we should be taking all these women who are in these situations around the world.
There is some christian nationalists in the US who want this to happen here. You can find podcasts where these pastors explain their plans on the channel "right response ministries". They want very similar penalties for the same crimes, because that`s what it says in the old testament. Look at project 2025 and how it will give the president and everybody who follows him unprecedented power and than look at what the christian nationalists behind it say what kind of law they want to implement in the US when they get that power. It started with the supreme court deciding that the president has immunity, it will go on with the power grab that`s explained in project 2025 and if they are not stopped it will culminate in christian nationalists being able to implement these kinds of laws here in the US.
There is some christian nationalists in the US who want this to happen here. You can find podcasts where these pastors explain their plans on the channel "right response ministries". They want very similar penalties for the same crimes, because that`s what it says in the old testament.
@@anthill1510The Old Testament doesn't say women should wear the Hijab. That's Muslim not Jewish. Sharia law is in the Q'ran; not in the Old Testament.
@@anthill1510But I agree w you the hard right Christians overlap a lot w Muslims when it comes to women's rights. Take abortion for example. Judaism is prochoice. Rabbis decided a long time ago that the life of the mother matters more, & that a baby isn't a new life till it's halfway out of the mother during labor.
I had a phase where I became fascinated with Islam. I bought books and clothes and even began learning Arabic. I’m so grateful I woke up and realized what I was supporting. These interviews just go to show us that us westerners have no idea what we’re getting into. We have freedom and we can’t fathom that many other countries don’t, to a point where I became supportive of the very thing used to take away other less fortunate peoples’ freedom
As a pagan this channel is a real eye opener. A lot of brave people on here. This woman’s story was freakin horrifying. Thanks for allowing sacred space.
@@CultstoConsciousness FeIt like had it among the most, even though grassroots and humbIe, always labeled as a certain kind of force but the ones labeling were the ones doing, a kind of washing technique.
It is so powerful and validating to hear this experience from a non-Saudi and a younger generation woman. I am honored to have connected with these two incredible women, Shelise and Nuriyah- so grateful to have been a guest on both of your shows. Let’s keep the conversation moving with this level of truth, integrity, and courage 🙌💪💛
Wow I had heard about culters who have cut off limbs for stealing but to hear someone from this community telling her side of what she's lived in. With her telling her side of the story it makes me open my eyes to more of things I never knew what was truly going on
These things has been widely written about in media because lf the severe human rights violations, as well as women rights which is basically none existing. I'm glad you heard about it now at least.
You think that`s just happening somewhere else under muslim regime? The old testament has the same laws and there is christian nationalists in the US who want this to happen here. They want public hangings, people being stoned and the death penalty for homosexuality. You can find podcasts where they explain their plans here on youtube on the channel "right response ministries". Look at project 2025 and how it will give the president and everybody who follows him unprecedented power and than look at what the christain nationalists behind it say what kind of law they want to implement in the US when they get that power. It started with the supreme court deciding that the presidet has immunity, it will go on with the power grab that`s explained in project 2025 and if they are not stopped it will culminate in christian nationalists being able to implement these draconian biblical laws.
You live in a coddled society and are removed from the real world. Theft can mean the death to a whole family. A bunch of raiders steal your last cows or lambs. That was your family's wealth/food. Now that's it your family may not survive. Welfare doesn't exist.
In January 1991, I was in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, with the U.S. Army. My fellow service members and I were allowed to go to Saudi stores in Dhahran without chaperones. On Fridays, my U.S. Army company commander warned us before going to the stores. He said if we were in the stores after Friday prayers, the mutawa (religious police) with long sticks would round us for the weekly amputation and beheading. And we had to comply with the mutawa. I left the stores long before the punishments happened and was back in the U.S. military area at al-Khobar Towers.
It's so telling how certain folks in the comments are defending Islam saying, "noooo she's lying and doing it wrong!" Your holy book prescribes extreme violence for transgressors and is HORRIBLE about women. There is absolutely nothing wrong with believing in Allah/God, but let's not pretend that the majority of modern interpretions are all wholesome, peaceful, and moral.
@lanazh2443 Explain MAGA -- which is the religious right trying to enforce their way of life on all of America. Trumpism is the Christian version of Sharia law...
@@nicolem2877 it is exclusive to Christianity and Islam... Just look how TH-cam behaves against people who tell the truth about Islam and Christianity... Account are deleted, demonitized etc...
No that’s not the case at all I’m not hurt I’m just more of why is the world spreading fake lies that’s what it is Islam does only protect the world and all of the things she said in that video were complete lies because I’m living here and I have the perfect life life is great and I don’t know how you guys even believe this stuff because it literally sounds bullshit like if you just like listen to it for a second it literally sounds bullshit do a little bit more research try reading the Quran
brain washed to think that 2 billion muslim follow hollywood version of islam 😂😂to be ignoorant is hard now days but some westerens think africa is country
Shalise..On behalf of everyone thank you to you and Jonathan for the work you 2 put into these..this channel is amazing, informative and eye opening. I tell everone who will listen about it ❤❤❤❤❤❤
It isnt considered to be that because its from their book. Because of that its considered halal/"allowed". That is the type of law the group at war & those in the surrounding countries want for the rest of the world. Well except they all want the most extreme form that calls for the "offing" of all those who reject it
@@kristiskinner8542I’m a “liberal/nominal Muslim” whose family is from a secular but Muslim-majority country. Half of my family is secular but ethnically Jewish, also from the same Middle Eastern country. I think it’s important to note that there are 2 billion Muslims and there are so, so very many of us who have left the stone age rules and verses where they belong and are pursuing a modern, humanist view where we take the life lessons about kindness and forgiveness from the Kuran with us and leave the rest of the bullshit behind. It is sad to me that neighboring countries still practice an incredibly archaic, misogynistic, extremist interpretation of Islam. Being raised around the faith of Islam and Judaism in both my home country and in America, the stories of these women always give me chills as sharia has been banned in my home country for over a hundred years, but had fallen into disfavor and was abandoned long before it was illegal on paper. My husband is from a more conservatively Muslim country and while there are many people there who lead more Western lives, unfortunately many politicians and enclaves lean more hateful and extremist. I fully support these survivors coming forward and sharing their stories, because sadly, like in most major religions, the sick and twisted extremist views come out to play and leave tragedy and oppression in their wake. I’m not attempting to argue or be disrespectful, but I feel like your comment paints all Muslims as practitioners and believers of extremist sharia and the misogyny, antisemitism, and hate it promotes, while wanting to spread that message worldwide. While those groups (like the ones at war now) sadly do exist, and while I fully accept and support critique of Islam as I consider myself to be a critic of many facets of the faith and book myself, I think it’s important to remember there are MANY muslims who are fighting against the extremist and archaic views tooth and nail, and the vast majority of Muslims I have come across in many different countries are just as terrified of islamic extremism and sharia as any non-Muslim reasonably should be. Again, not trying to argue, and valid critique of any religious movement is valid and incredibly important. I just don’t think we should generalize when speaking about any one faith, as Shelise has mentioned in many of her videos.
@@cors2526I get what you’re saying, but I also don’t think that all religions are created equal, and thus all religious beliefs should not be respected. It’s possible that the foundational beliefs of a religion are so at odds with modern society and human rights that it is not redeemable. It’s just hard for us to reconcile with Islam because the religion is 1,400 years old. It’s much easier to dismiss a new age religion/cult with extreme beliefs than an established religion. Even in Indonesia, which is considered a moderate Muslim country, 72% of Muslims believe Sharia law should be the law of the land (according to pew research center survey).
@@user-xy1sc7wh9p I wouldn’t consider Indosenia to be a moderately Muslim country at all, but that’s just based on my experience with the faith. I don’t think all religions are created equal, but it’s against my personal beliefs to demonize an an entire group of 2 billion people (religion aside as I don’t consider myself to be a very religious person as my family is multifaith). Most big religions, including all of the Abrahamic faiths and the two I was raised in, have extremist sects that sadly prioritize oppression, brainwashing, misogyny, and hatred. I get where everyone is coming from, it’s just my personal belief not to dislike or demonize an entire group of people based on faith, as everyone is different and I know plenty of Muslims, Jews, and Christians who abhor their extremist groups just as much as anyone else
So many women who don't have money or family support would never have been able to escape this or maybe even realize that they truly deserve to live their own lives :(
Listening to this is stomach churning. These poor women, our sisters , have to live under such violence and suppression, all in the name of a screwed up religion run by sociopathic men.
This story needs to be made into a movie. My heart was POUNDING during the part when she was trying to get on the airplane. It is so horrifying to think about how differently it could have gone if she hadn't been able to escape. Thank you for sharing your story. This needs to be told everywhere so people can see the horrible consequences of a society that only values women as property.
The difference in her story to many other Muslim women is that she had family support leaving an abusive marriage. Secondly when she became an apostate her family respected her decision and didnt disown her. These two things aren't the norm in Musim cultures it's a rarity.
@user-qj9wu3er8e I know this for a fact. Look at the comment under this video by muslim mum of 5 trying to get divorced. The thread is full of other Muslim women invalidating her experience. All of them think we can't easily access fiqh books. Or the descriptions of how women were dehumanised by Muhammad and his men preserved in their records.
@@Stardust475I am a female Muslim and have studied Islam at length and no such thing exists. Show me. I dare you. Perhaps their protection of women seems overwhelming to you in this day and age, but never to directly disrespect them. We never talk about Christianity and especially Judaism who have strict rules too. It is a rarity for abuse, it DOES happen, but Saudi men are, for the most part, gentlemen who spoil their daughters and wives. My SO is a practicing Muslim. He is super kind and has a good balance. There are awful people everywhere. It’s only us that get picked on for the minority of shiteheads. I would say the worst representation comes from the south Asians who use their culture and claim it as religion. I’ll give you an example. Our fathers are considered our guardians and we don’t need to cover up in front of them. Arab and other women don’t. For a fact. South Asian families a lot of the time don’t allow their daughters to wear pyjamas in front of male family members which isn’t even a thing in Islam! You’re not supposed to make a relaxed thing hard. Or as we say a halal thing haram. There needs to be a change.
When studying at university in the US, I took a class on Islam (because I knew nothing about it), which was taught by a female teacher who wasn't Muslim, but seemed to know basically everything about Islam anyway. She taught it very apologetically, talking about how scientific Muslims used to be before the Crusades killed all of their intellectuals, how spiritual it is that they pray five times a day, and how we should all admire them and try to be more like them regardless of our religion (mind you, this was a Catholic college, so assumedly, most of the students were some sort of Christian denomination). However, she glossed very casually over a lot of the treatment of women, saying things like, "Female circumcision is just a misunderstanding of the text," etc. Then, she brought in the Islamic leader of the area (a man), who spoke to us about the misunderstandings of Islam, how he's trying to help their reputation recover, etc. but then when he went to leave, our prof said, "Even though he's a good friend of mine, he still will not shake my hand because I'm a woman-- but that's okay!" At the time, I was very impressionable and thought that that must just be how it is for them and that maybe they all feel differently about it than I did. Now that I'm watching this series on your channel, I'm starting to think twice about assuming that Muslims are all okay with this treatment, and maybe there's more to it than just what a liberal arts college can teach. I used to want to go to Dubai so badly, but when I started to hear about all of the very conservative laws, I let that dream die. I thought about how I couldn't hold hands with my partner in public, and that I couldn't even book a hotel room with someone of the opposite sex whom I wasn't married to. Even in the most religious, backwoods areas of the US, you never will be told that you can't book a hotel room with your partner if you aren't married. Seeing how celebrities like Lindsay Lohan have begun to completely change their identities after living in Dubai made me question just how deep this rabbit hole went, but hearing of your experience, it makes perfect sense. It really brands itself as this Instagram utopia, but in reality, it's just really oppressive and shiny. I really never thought much about people's personal choice to convert to Islam until I watched a TH-camr (that I had previously watched for years but seemed to disappear off of the face of the Earth) tell her story about how she was more or less tricked into converting to Islam and moving in with her husband overseas, and how she had to escape from both him and the country at the same time whilst keeping their children safe. A similar thing happened to a friend of mine (also from the US) who took that very same Islam class with me. She had a really rough home life and struggled with her mental health whilst in university, but when she discovered our Islam class, she became *very* involved in the culture. Eventually, she met a Saudi man whom she officially converted to Islam for in order to marry, married him, and then moved with him back to his home country. I had been keeping in touch with her online until one day, all of her social media profiles disappeared, and I never heard from her again. I still wonder what happened to her, but I know that if she did have trouble getting away, she would have no one back in the US to save her; her family had no money, she barely had any living relatives, and aside me and a handful of classmates, she didn't really have any friends. I think that it's a lot more complex than an outsider can truly understand, but to act as though it's just a "different culture" and to assume that people of that world are just okay with everything is ignorant. I realize now (especially after these past few interviews) that a lot of what westerners have just begun to gloss over are serious issues that need to be addressed. There are literal humanitarian crises happening that westerners just don't want to acknowledge because they've been made to feel that they don't have the authority to speak about them, and it's such a disservice to those living through things like this, especially women who have *no* voice in all of this. I think that if we'd be just as concerned about a woman being controlled within Christianity, we should be concerned about a woman being controlled in *any* culture, *anywhere* in the world. It's terrifying to think that we've just turned our backs to an entire people crying out for help based on their geographical location.
This is called love jihad. Aka conquering a country through the wombs of its women. Islamizing the wombs. Why do you think these Muslim men don't allow their sisters to marry Non Muslim men?
There is no female circumcision allowed in Islam. If anyone does it, it's cultural and wrong. It's absolutely against Islam. Also, Christian woman do not need to convert to marry a Muslim man. That man lied to her.
You should never learn about Islam in schools because you get nothing but lies and not the true Islam. Just read the Quran and Sahih Al Bukhari hadith, the most trusted Islamic sources- there is the true Islam: order and support of slavery, child marriage, killings of the infidels, and wife beatings and polygamy!
What she says around 1:10:22 is very similar to how I felt when realizing what this religion really is. Thanks so much for these videos - this support is needed. I left Islam almost 15 years ago. I was raised very religiously and prayed five times a day, fasted, ready Quran, etc. I was born and raised in the west but even so I don’t feel safe letting my family know. My father let me know if one of his children leaves we will be disowned and he also said if someone leaves they should be shot. It took me about 3 years of learning to finally leave Islam. I used to stand up for the religion but then started to think about it logically - it’s obviously man made to serve their prophet. I’m much older now but am still in the closet. I pretend to believe because of fear of what my family and the community would do. Thankfully I was able to marry a “convert” because I knew if I married someone who followed the religion it would be game over for me. I just wanted to move out of my parents house so I could have a bit of freedom. Please keep spreading this information. You are all so brave & you are helping those that need it.
On Reddit, this guy created a thread (under AMA: Ask Me Anything). He is Muslim, living in Saudi, but also in the closet like you. He doesn't believe in Islam anymore, but is too afraid to tell his family, friends or employers because of the consequences. So he pretends and goes along with it. So he invited people to ask him questions about this and what it was like. It was a sad, but interesting, read. I take it your husband is also in the closet as well, right? How sad and strange you both have to play this game, especially as you now live in a western country.
I love Nuriyah. I’ve listened to her tell her story over and over again in various interviews and never get bored 😂 I’m an ex Muslim female living in the UK and Nuriyah is such an inspiration to me ❤❤
Nuriyah, i'm so glad you got out safe! I too deconstructed because of a divorce. I got out of a toxic/abusive marriage and seeing how my religion failed me led me to do the same as you. I am blown away by the similarities between our experiences even though I was raised in conservative Christianity. Good gravy. Thankfully because i was divorcing in America i didn't have to deal with police abuse and sharia law. But irnwas still super scary and traumatic because I thought i was wrong to leave an abusive relationship.
Western converts forget that they have a choice to wear hijab or not because the constitution of western countries which protects them from someone enforcing religious rules on them. In Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and many other majority Islamic countries, women do not have the option to not wear hijab. They are either enforced by a religious police (Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia) or by the common public who will make women wear a hijab or burqa; otherwise, they cannot walk on the street. I hope someday the reverts open their eyes.
13:05 Nuriyah is referring to migrant workers that come to Saudi Arabia from poor Asian and African countries. SA of domestic maids is rampant in these places justified via Sharia and dysfunction because of strict segregation.
I taught at a university in Saudi for over two years. As a single woman who lived in a small very conservative town and didn’t live in a compound, it was rough.
You might consider doing an interview with Cults to Consciousness. I’d be interested in hearing how an educated Western single female University professor is treated in that country.
That`s not a surprise. Some christian denominations in the US want laws and a regime like she described. This kind of s education or none at all are one step on the way to the ruling of Old Testament law for them.
Don't judge yourself too hard, i grew in Bulgaria and went to school in the late 90s early 2000s, there was no s3x education whatsoever, it's not very religious country, so can't blame religion. You were supposed to pick this stuff from parents, friends, people from the street etc.
I hope you reach out to the western converts/reverts who are boasting about hijab and naqab and dreaming about sharia in western countries ,If you see tik tok its filled them , I do not understand what is happening.
Young people especially are more inclined to be radicalized when it comes to any belief system. I think it comes from a feeling of superiority…I cling to this religion’s rules to a fault and it tells me I’m right and you’re wrong. We’ve all been young and you can see how that feeling of superiority can appeal to them.
@@HeatherBoo916 Yeah, you have a choice because your constitution protects you from someone enforcing religious rules on you. In Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and many other majority Islamic countries, women do not have the choices you have. They are either enforced by a religious police (Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia) or by the common public who will make you wear a hijab or burqa; otherwise, you cannot walk on the street without getting told to wear hijab. I hope someday you open your eyes.
@@costructivecritic I lived in Pakistan, I had a choice there also. I lived in Peshawar for a year. I was never forced by anyone to wear anything I didn't want to and I didn't wear hijab there either. Not ever place is the same. I understand places like Iran and Saudi have religious police, I'm not saying that they don't. But not all religious countries are like that. I also hope your eyes are opened. Have a blessed day.
@@HeatherBoo916 - Living for a vacation or short term doesn't count. Living in an expat bubble doesn't count either. You have to live with common people. Just recently, a woman was almost lynched because of some Arabic words on her dress. Ask any minority how they live in Pakistan; they even have to change their names. Preaching is very easy; reality is very different. By the way, I am from South Asia, so I know what I am talking about. You need to open your eyes, or wait a few more years in the UK to know Sharia effectively.
Imagine if Nuriyah did not have a British passport, she would be trapped with this man, or arrested. Shame on Dubai authorities for being so oppressive & misogynistic. I really appreciate Nuriyah's courage to speak up. I am Jewish, I know how radical and dangerous the Islamists can be.
@@kreed3494 omg, I didn't realize they are so backward. I am Israeli-Canadian. There was a peace agreement btw UAE & Israel recently. Israelis visit this country. UAE tries to sell the image of being a modern country. Obviously this is not true.
That’s the issue with westerners, these things have been known about the middle east forever!! Even a third world person like me has known these things since mid 90’s!! I would expect a first world and informed person like you to know these things right?? We are lead to believe that the first world has all these opportunities and stuff we don’t have access to so I’m not supposed to be knowledgeable about history and religion!! That’s the reason why the west is dying because they have forgotten what made them great!! Now we have to save the west from it self!!
The best decision in my life was leaving islam. I have wasted my life praying for a fake god that would torture everyone no matter how much they pray to him best decision ever done
Shelise! I am not a Muslim (raised Catholic, currently Quaker), but as an outsider I understand the difference between Shia and Sunni Muslims as kind of like Brighamite vs other sects of Mormonism. There are fundamentalist Brighamites (FLDS) and "liberal" Brighamites (LDS), but they are different from non Brighamites in that they chose to follow Brigham Young after Joseph's death. Shia muslims followed the Prophet's cousin when he died (and believe bloodline is important) whereas Sunni muslims followed his friends and companions, but there are both fundamentalist and liberal people in both groups!
You think that`s just happening somewhere else under muslim regime? The old testament has the same laws and there is christian nationalists in the US who want this to happen here. You can find podcasts where these pastors explain their plans here on youtube on the channel "right response ministries". Look at project 2025 and how it will give the president and everybody who follows him unprecedented power and than look at what the christian nationalists behind it say what kind of law they want to implement in the US when they get that power. It started with the supreme court deciding that the presidet has immunity, it will go on with the power grad that`s explained in project 2025 and if they are not stopped it will culminate in christian nationalists being able to implement these draconian biblical laws.
Saudi Arabia used to fund wahabi Islam throughout the world, esp to madrasas (religious schools) in South Asia. It is one of the big reasons you see lynchings in Pakistan over rumours of blasphemy and you see increased rates of violence in india against the rest of the population (though the western media only reports the reactions by the rest of the population)
Dear NURIYAH KHAN, Did you ever think WHY a team of FOUR (4) MALE POLICE OFFICERS (MUTAWAH) used to come to your house? As you said (Hope I understood it correctly.), they were trying to CHARGE YOU of ADULTERY. They NEEDED FOUR MALE EYEWITNESSES! So, they came WELL PLANNED and WELL PREPARED!
In India we just had general elections. So there was an email from the community motivating people to go vote. I thought to myself who do we vote for? A party begging for Muslims votes and promising them the return of triple talaq and the right to hijab. Forget it. Better that party lose.
I’m so happy to hear she had the support of her family!!!! I was raised Muslim and thankfully have very moderate Turkish parents. I married a Muslim Lebanese and through him I learned deep Islam and am no longer supportive of this cult. It’s tough because being a Muslim is what I’ve known for 35 years but I just can’t label myself as someone part of this. Having supportive parents means the world. Also, my husband and I are on the same page…thankful for that as well. The way she speaks about how the thought process is just engrained in you with living your daily life, sayings, conspiracy theories etc. Is so true. You have to stop yourself from that way of thinking. For me the biggest thing was getting over the fear that Islam teaches. We were raised to fear and try to stay away from the fire of hell. It’s definitely an adjustment.
someone told outright lies and you believed it she's Afghan woman telling these lies to get citizenship in west, every person have their own experience, opinion & conviction don't fall for it She's so humane that she supports genocide of Palestinians
I respect this young lady for exposing the misogyny in men to the point where women are accused of being crazy. It has happen in Europe as well. She is right there is an abuse of power. I would encourage to read Dr. Asma Lamrabet - Women in the Qur'an: An Emancipatory Reading. Her book is an eye opener.
Me too! We also had Dr.’s here in America put women(their husbands could do it. They owned them) in asylums for being “hysterical” bc of our menstrual cycle or bc they fought back from their husbands or didn’t share the same opinion. God forbid the women had an opinion. They were considered crazy. Not that far back. Thank goodness our forefathers had an insight in our democracy so women’s refuge could happen thru law of the courts and lawyers had forethought to argue. Still not equal but women have more opportunity to get it. And we had separation of church and state. Which is being debated again. Trying to get it back into politics.
19:36 This reminds me: I am a non-muslim and more-or-less straight woman living in a very liberal western European country where many women show much skin in the summer, which is considered totally normal. Yet, I remember a time when I was on a bus and I saw a woman walking in the streets dressed in what I believe to be an abaya - she was covered in black from head to feet (maybe her hands were covered, too, I don't really remember) - and also her face was covered, except for the eyes. Then, suddenly the wind took the hem of her dress and made a part of her white ankles show for a brief moment, and I remember how shocking - and naked - that innocent glimpse of bare skin felt. It was almost like watching something really forbidden and pornographic, and even though I have no interest in other women's ankles and probably see them all the time in the summer without really noticing it, I am sure I must have really starred. It was almost like I couldn't help it. When I react like that, I am not surprised that men get totally obsessed. It's like the forbidenness makes everything much more s***ly loaded than it really is.
The whole premise that women have to cover bc the men don’t have to have any accountability for their feelings or desires is absolutely abhorrent to me. Women are revered as non human, no emotions that are to be considered or thought process. Just good enough to bare children like livestock and good enough to rear them, and good enough to have sex with, but disgusting otherwise. Dont tell me this isn’t about power and control and it’s all Man made. I believe forcing one religion on a country is what’s caused this sect of people to not progress as a people. That’s why these genocides will continue. Turkey trying to destroy old temples and such to hide their history so that the people will not find the truth. Just barbaric.
I wonder who remembers an episode of "Love American Style" - there was a woman who was totally free with her body and being naked (of course not fully shown in the show), but she always wore gloves; the man character was obsessd with getting those gloves off.
If you are a non-Muslim (Kafir...) woman that's living in a liberal, European country in the West, your stance (defending the reaction of Muslim males...) is what's seriously wrong with modern, European societies in the West. Not only are you conveniently 'forgetting' what women had to once endure back in the day (in your country..), in order to be heard - and to vote... you're taking what you see as 'normal' treatment of women in your society (today...) for granted - while sympathizing with males that treat girls/women like utter garbage... be they Muslim - or not. And, pray tell, what does your apparent sexual preferences have to do with any of this?!?
You think that`s just happening somewhere else under muslim regime? The old testament has the same laws and there is christian nationalists in the US who want this to happen here. They want public hangings, people being stoned and the death penalty for homosexuality. You can find podcasts where they explain their plans here on youtube on the channel "right response ministries". Look at project 2025 and how it will give the president and everybody who follows him unprecedented power and than look at what the christain nationalists behind it say what kind of law they want to implement in the US when they get that power. It started with the supreme court deciding that the presidet has immunity, it will go on with the power grad that`s explained in project 2025 and if they are not stopped it will culminate in christian nationalists being able to implement these draconian biblical laws.
I was an American in a mainstream Christian church. I wish I’d had Google back then. I stayed 25 years. The church I left would have LOVED to have these laws.
Sadly that's a true statement abou6 anything that becomes a cult run by people... Usually men.... Who are focused because of their desire for power, control self serving and greed.
Brave young ladies on this video. (I have been aware of similar accounts of violence and discrimination against women in societies as diverse as Amish, Catholic hindu, ) Wish it was more publicly known then the cycles of discrimination and violence against women regardless of faith culture background that perpetuate would be able to be broken.
Wow. When she talks about how she would read her religion's holy book in a language she didn't understand it reminded me of how the Catholic Mass was said in Latin until late in the 20thcentury so no-one knew what was actually being said.
That comparison isn’t true. When mass was said in Latin, everyone had Latin English missals would be able to know what was being said if you were literate
My confirmation in Romania was in Hungarian, which I didn't understand, because the bishop couldn't stand us and refused to do a service in my language for the few of us who wouldn't understand what we were promising. Great way to start someone on a deconstruction journey, at least
My 🇨🇦 Auntie was one of those foreigners who movies to S A for work. She was a great X-Ray Tech. She worked at King Hospital in the late 90s and early 2000's. She talked about; whenever she left the "compound"; she had to wear a Burqa. She also had to be with a married couple; pretending to be the married man's 2nd wife. Unless she was with a tour group.
I agree with many of the things you are saying. I was an American Christian woman married to a Saudi man. We met in America then moved to Jeddah in 1996 with our 5 children I stayed within the national population no compound!! Sometimes I worried about my safety but thank God nothing bad happened🙏 Because the last two years there he was not a good husband/Father. We barely had food he would just leave and not come back for days at a time so me and my kids would wander the streets to just get out of the house!! Play in empty parking lots etc go to a few stores on my own!! We did use the street drivers/taxis now I see how dangerous that was by what you said. The men there have no self control over their sexual lusts. The windows there have bars on them and if you stand at the windows and a man may see you I had guys masturbate if it was night!! It was disgusting I would just go grab some eggs and throw them at the guys and then just moved away from the windows!! I stayed for 7 years and I was finally free to go with my 5 kids back to America to God be all the glory 🙏🙏🙏 He’s never seen his kids since or paid for them!! But I can relate to what life is like there. I hope things are better there for women now?? I know a lot of foreign women stayed because of their kids I’m glad I got out 21 years ago✌🏼
Funny thing that reminded me of this channel today is that one of the Church of Jesus Christ higher ups was on local tv and they asked him about "Do you guys respect atheism and other religions plus people that wants to leave yours at some point" and he went like "OH ABSOLUTELY" 😅 Cult of consciousness says otherwise bro!
I was glued to this real horror story with a happy ending...she is a great speaker. Thank you for having this young woman on your podcast. Divine intervention helped her without a doubt🙏.
For me, this doesn't seem like a happy ending at all, not while there are women still living through these kinds of nightmares every day in the world right now. I had no idea this religion was so barbaric and evil, I thought it was just extremists misinterpreting, but apparently not.
My nieces were terrified to go out as teens in Delhi because of the way that some of the men acted towards them (British, white, blonde). If people are given licence to be nasty, then some will take it.
Something that applies to all of us, Muslim or not, is that abuse is not just physical abuse. I'm an educated woman, and still thought that abuse could not happen to "someone like me". I had a very narrow view of what abuse is. In the meantime, I went thru years of emotional abuse that I was trying to "normalize".
Nuriyah is an incredibly intelligent and powerful young woman whose story needs to be transmitted more broadly. Keep it up Nuriyah - the world needs you.
@stephaniemaier699 there are fringe fundamental religious factions, however, Islam is in a league of its own because the fringe is the norm. Christians don't have sharia.
Nuriyah, you story was terrifying but more than anything the support you got from your parents was so wholesome. I really love your parents so much and how much they care about you
I wonder how many of the Ladies from there would do with a Man that loves and respects them and treats them as a equal and a Queen? I know my Wife of 25 years did RIP. Maybe one day i can find love again. Till then I wish this Lady and others like Her the best in life. Do what brings you joy and happiness in life Beautiful lady
Oh yes you can, Old Testament was a vengent God, New Testament was a turn your cheek God. But in old days women still didn’t have rights. This is Old Koran’s they have not progressed. And we have Christian religions today are dictating how women dress, act, serve their husbands etc.. in America we don’t behead, so that fear is not there, but you are shamed in the congregation or shunned. Many of our American religions are nothing short of Cults. Bibles are deciphered at the preachers will. People indoctrinated to believe their minister bc he’s closer to God than you. I laugh when people entry to use the Bible against me, thinking bc (they believe it’s law above the laws of the land) that I must obey or be shamed. I ultimately tell them their beliefs do not hold water in our discussion. That’s brain washing right there. They cannot give their own opinions and back them up without using an old belief system that was put together by controlling sycophants.
Unfortunaltely you can. And there is some christian churches in the US right now who want laws like she described. They find the justification for it in the old testament and the fact that Jesus never outright condemned these laws.
Omg I was thinking recently how amazing it would be if you interviewed Holy Humanist! I've been watching her for some time now and I came across this channel recently and it cover already two or three people I've been thinking have amazing stories. You guys never disappoint ❤
Thank you, Shalise for giving these people a big platform to speak about these bad things going on in religion/cults! I'm so happy all these people are alive and mentally okay enough to share their stories. Take care❤
Thank you for sharing. I love that you distinguish between what the actual Quran and Hadith say and what many who call themselves Muslim believe. You can absolutely condemn Islam without hating all the people who think they are following various versions of it. Many Muslims don’t even realize what all the Quran says. Thank you for bringing the truth to light.
Dear NURIYAH KHAN, Its always a pleasure seeing you happy and smiling despite all that in the past! Every time I hear/watch you I learn some more details. I am a CHRISTIAN who was BORN in PAKISTAN, GREW UP in PAKISTAN, and STUDIED MANDATORY ISLAMYAT/ISLAMIC STUDIES (Quran + Hadith + Islamic History, etc.) in school. Yes, I learned how to READ ARABIC and MEMORIZED QURAN VERSES and SURAHS and some HADITHS (AHADITH) as well. Even as a CHRITIAN I had to UNLEARN A LOT of ISLAM that I studied in school and OBSERVED/EXPERIENCED while GROWING UP/STUDYING along with MILLIONS of MUSLIMS after getting to The West where much more information is available and freedom to read it. By the way, I NEVER BELIEVED in THE CORE (FUNDAMENTAL) BELIEFS of ISLAM and had a good amount of access to the information that DEBUNKED ISLAM (Quran + Hadith)! Still, it was a bit challenging to disprove THE MUSLIM MYTHOLOGY and BASELESS CLAIMS without information about the counter viewpoint and THE DANGER (especially as a CHRISTIAN) associated with such information. There was NO INTERNET at the time and I was in PAKISTAN! Despite all this The Lord Jesus Christ gave me a lot of COURAGE and WISDOM as a young man to respond to many STRANGE, INSANE, and DERROGATORY questions and comments MUSLIMS directed at me! Keep smiling and keep it up, Dear NURIYAH KHAN! I watch and share your videos wherever and whenever I can. God bless you! BE SAFE!
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Thanks for being so brave Nuriyah! My ex used Talaq as a weapon against me, and there are many crazy stories that I have from my marriage! He was preaching in mosques and secretly had girlfriends and a porn addiction. Of course, as he is a man he had the full support of his mosque and family, and I was portrayed as crazy. Last month I got full justice from the courts here in the divorce process. The ex got a full telling off by the judge! Would I have gotten justice in a Muslim country? Nope, never! I have 5 kids and he had wanted to discard me and take them to Pakistan. Our culture and religion totally support this disgusting, degrading treatment of women. I recently started an Islamic Trauma Healing online space for Muslims with Religious Trauma as I had difficulty getting the support I needed. Becoming religious really hurt me. I'm happy you are speaking out, so other women have this awareness. Never knew Dubai was that bad. Thanks for sharing.
So sorry you had to go through this!! Whoever supported him is wrong! Can you share your online platform with me?
So glad you got away from him and got justice! Thank you for reaching out to others, helping people heal is so important.
Thank you for telling your truth and helping others by doing so ❤
Jesus is the way❤ hope you can open your mind.. glad you got justice❤
You left your religion, your belief system for a religion that clearly says that non-Muslims will go to hell, and more than that idol worshippers will burn in hell. So when you get disconnected from your roots, you weaken yourself. We have so many cases in India where non-Muslim women are being targeted by Muslim men with pseudo names but then,these women have no rights as they are not Muslims. Global media tragets those who are trying to educate people about this crisis because we live in a highly politically motivated world.
I have British friends that have worked in Dubai. They fall into 2 distinct groups. Those that loved it, liked the lifestyle, the extravagance, the wealth. Those that hated it, saw the inequality, saw how much of a facade it was, saw the fascism.
I know which group I'd be in because I'm a truth-seeker and truth-teller. Heck, people here in the U.S. hate me too. lol
@@alundavies1016 would that everyone fell in that second camp. Good lord, the way some people turn a blind eye to (and often willingly profit from) suffering and injustice is something I will never understand.
@@websurfer5772 Amen, I get weighed down by the hate sometimes but then I remember that I'm getting it because I'm standing for what's right.
@@Rain_Reign What I find odd is that we seem to born the way we are in that respect, and neither side can change even if they want to. This life is something else.
@@allergicTOsunhats It is not easy.
Most families in Islamic countries don't support their daughters she is lucky
LOL far from true a majority of irreligious and religious islamic families support their daughters in like every way u can imagine lmaooo
One of the things that I love about Shelise is she actually lets the guest tell her story. The questions she asks are more to help clarify things as opposed to putting her own inference. It’s very organic.. keep up the good work❤
Agreed
Honestly, one of the best channels on TH-cam. I love her style, sensitivity, curiosity.
@@1ACLyes, she’s always respectful but curious.
Yes!!! She has her own viewpoint but always prioritizes her guest's perspective. Very refreshing.
Thank you so much! That means a lot. 🥰🙏
Iranian descendent here, I can confirm similar things happening under the Islamic repubic in Iran.
I have so many Persian friends and acquaintances that are women who have so many stories to tell of how they escaped Iran to come to the USA. The Iranians are not our enemy I tell people all the time. May Adonai help the people of Iran.
Who toppled the government and installed or propped up the shah? What that did is breed Islamic extremism. The people who say the are the leader of the free world and impose their secular religion on the Middle East should not be trusted. Why only the Middle East or Arab nations with these atrocious tribal behavior?
That is not “Islam” those are bad men giving it a bad reputation
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Love Islam. Gives more Respect to women
@@asadhafeez7713 When similar stories keep happening in all the Islamic countries all over the world, one should wonder why.
I was in riyadh in the 90s as a child but because we were non Muslims we didn’t go to the mosque. Omg I can’t believe people would pray to god and then watch someone get murdered. This is insane!!!
They do the same thing in Afghanistan, and, to a somewhat lesser extent, in Iran. Penalties for crimes of hudud (crimes against "god") are meant to be delivered in public, as a means of instilling fear and discouraging the misbehavior of others.
Terrorism on the populace.
@@Seevawonderloaf Christians do it in some African nations. Religion destroys Reason.
So basically that isn’t god it’s evil in the name of god
It's just about as insane as calling ones self a devout follower of JC, profess allegiance to the Ten Commandmants, then vote for, participate in, support, and glorify US militarism (imperialism) in the world, over demanding peace or being a non-affiliate consciencious objector. So-called Christians in our government are allowing mass imigration into the US hoping to harvest them for farm (under paid) workers and volunteer soldiers (with the promise of citizenship for them and their families.) War is nothing but an exercise in for-profit. Religion, I have come to understand, is a male tool of manipulation.
"Tyranny will come wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross."
A nurse I work with worked in Riyadh at a hospital overlooking an oval where punishments took place. She said she could see people being decapitated from there. She also commented on the number of women admitted classified as attempted suicide who had stab wounds to their backs
Wow!
@@CultstoConsciousness exactly what I was going to say. Wow!
That's crazy because the area chop chop city women are not allowed to watch. I lived there 35 months and did not see that. My husband was a radiologist there for over 12 years. He knew the place but women were forbidden to watch, go to funerals, etc
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Evil ans scary @@danielasat4563
She was so much luckier to have a great family, than most women are. ❤
Ikr imagine if her family were also pushing her to stay with her husband, many women are living like that in the Islamic world 😕 between a rock and a hard place
That's the beauty,That's the goal , the more people share that it the better
Cults 2 Consciousness has always been a great show but since you've been back, the quality and continuity has been outstanding! ❤
Thank you so much!!
Absolutely ❤
She is a beautiful soul inside and out.
Right? Homegirl literally popped out a baby and in the next few days was all “Okay, let’s go hard for our Islam apostates!” 😂 Pretty metal lol
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Great you let the ex-muslims speak, very important and brave 🙌
My mother's coworker who had american citizenship but had been born in Saudi, was detained because she was frustrated at the airport and muttered something bad about the country, she was able to get out because she worked at a Navy hospital close to Washington DC and was an american citizen. This woman grew up i it, and left for good reason. The western liberal college women converting to Islam baffles me.
Liberal college educated women joining any religion baffles me... I imagine each has a deeply personal reason for doing so, but that's a hard pass for me
It’s so crazy
Einstein said Human stupidity is infinite. That's why.
Since universities no longer inculcate an admiration for civilisation and it's fruits, a passion for good looking men can be all the incentive a young woman needs
It's mostly out of love and marriage
Muslim men seek to marry Christian women or Non Muslim women in order to increase their hold over another country. How do you think Turkey and other Muslim countries turned Muslim majority. Conquering through the wombs. Aka Islamazing the wombs. They don't allow their sisters to marry Non Muslim men. See the strategy here?
I could walk from my home to The Clock Tower. (Chop Chop Square). I went there but never on Friday. The thing that frightened me the most was the Islamic Police. (The Religious Police)(Wutawa) They could just pick you up off the street. I walked almost every place. The few times that I took a Taxi was with several other females and we always stayed together. I got out in a very tricky way....sh%#ting a brick until the plane was in the air. THEN they kept calling me in North America to return and I was threatened with the statement (The Saudi government has a long memory)...I would never set foot in any Middle Eastern country all these years later
I will never fly in their AIR SPACE EVER .. A World that is on another consciousness.. Sadly 😢this cancer is spreading in the so called free world !!!
@jacquelinemarie; Israel is quiet different, I lived there as a young Scandinavian woman both in the Arabic areas and later in Jewish areas. It was never frightening or scary in either places. I travelled through the whole country numerous times with my backpack. My friend did the same in Marocco and she said it was the same there,nothing to be afraid of. So there ARE peaceful countries for tourists in the Middle east. Allthough NOW I don't know if it will ever be safe again to go to Israel...and imagine IF it becomes Palestine...then they will become a new sharia-country.
@@mrsTraveller64Israel will never be conquered, so no worries. God keeps his word.
Why were you living in Saudi? And why did you get in trouble with the government and have to leave? I assume you're a westerner based on your name?
@@mrsTraveller64 Morocco is not in the Middle East. If I wanted to travel to a Middle Eastern country that is relatively safe for women travellers I'd go to one that hasn't achieved that by committing genocide, e.g. Lebanon. Although not right now because Israel is threatening their peace.
My ex is pakistani from birth. Our daughter is half norwegian. His family, very traditional. Even living here in Scandinavia. He had to follow his family in the end. Doing their thing. Against his own will. He was forced to stop his contact with our daughter after some years.
Pakistanies often push away children they have with none pakistanies. But he was not strong enough to continue contact after she was 18. And he changed totally after this. Lots of "children" experience this. Today im happy i did get away from it. And my daughter is Free❤
Thank you both for sharing this. Its not surprising to me, but its very sad indeed.
Wish you both all the best.
Brave young woman❤
Ine, Norway.
If he could fail at being a father to his daughter, he was never a man.
Its their way. I assume his new wife has brothers. Their culture is into honor you know. It can also effect men. And maybe they told him to stop or they hurt our daugther..
I dont know.
She has had no contact with her siblings. He had children in the forced marriage he is into.
I know his life is not easy.
@@betsybabf748These men don’t officially recognize their children because their mothers are Christians. But to used them sexually it’s fine for them. They have no idea what they do to those innocent children.
Terribly sad. Even unnecessary by their standards. Most Pakistani’s actually marry their cousins though so I’m not surprised. They can be very close knit internally. My father is Indian, he isn’t the most functional father, never well employed or able to provide, but he is very attached. I’m 36 and we still talk on the phone all the time. I’m always grateful for being loved by my parents.
Anytime someone needs to escape a horrible situation and can’t bring their animal, my heart breaks even further. So proud of this strong woman for how far she has come.
When she said this part, my feelings let loose, so sad what she went through but deserve praise how she decided not to give up, much respect from the bottom of my heart, blessings flow❤
Protect Nuriya at all cost. So well spoken and she speaks the truth. Love that this is finally becoming mainstream, sad it's taken so long but better late than never. Shalise thank you for bringing this to the masses! Love Nuriyah ❤🇬🇧
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I am so afraid for the women that speak out who have lived through Sharia Law.
I am deeply saddened that there are so many women living through this.
Instead of males that are fighting ages claiming asylum in America we should be taking all these women who are in these situations around the world.
Won't be much better here soon if our rights keep getting ripped away. Scary times for sure
There is some christian nationalists in the US who want this to happen here. You can find podcasts where these pastors explain their plans on the channel "right response ministries". They want very similar penalties for the same crimes, because that`s what it says in the old testament.
Look at project 2025 and how it will give the president and everybody who follows him unprecedented power and than look at what the christian nationalists behind it say what kind of law they want to implement in the US when they get that power. It started with the supreme court deciding that the president has immunity, it will go on with the power grab that`s explained in project 2025 and if they are not stopped it will culminate in christian nationalists being able to implement these kinds of laws here in the US.
There is some christian nationalists in the US who want this to happen here. You can find podcasts where these pastors explain their plans on the channel "right response ministries". They want very similar penalties for the same crimes, because that`s what it says in the old testament.
@@anthill1510The Old Testament doesn't say women should wear the Hijab. That's Muslim not Jewish. Sharia law is in the Q'ran; not in the Old Testament.
@@anthill1510But I agree w you the hard right Christians overlap a lot w Muslims when it comes to women's rights. Take abortion for example. Judaism is prochoice. Rabbis decided a long time ago that the life of the mother matters more, & that a baby isn't a new life till it's halfway out of the mother during labor.
I had a phase where I became fascinated with Islam. I bought books and clothes and even began learning Arabic. I’m so grateful I woke up and realized what I was supporting. These interviews just go to show us that us westerners have no idea what we’re getting into. We have freedom and we can’t fathom that many other countries don’t, to a point where I became supportive of the very thing used to take away other less fortunate peoples’ freedom
"This is the best way one can die...." Makes my skin crawl at the "death cult vibes" I get.😔
@tdsollog, I've learned to call Islam a 'system'...they're easily triggered and are very wiolent.
As a pagan this channel is a real eye opener. A lot of brave people on here. This woman’s story was freakin horrifying. Thanks for allowing sacred space.
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@@CultstoConsciousness FeIt like had it among the most, even though grassroots and humbIe, always labeled as a certain kind of force but the ones labeling were the ones doing, a kind of washing technique.
As a fellow pagan I echo that. Every day I’m grateful for the spiritual freedom paganism affords me. ❤
Love to pagans ❤
Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven
It's horrifying that such things still happen and people are lacking basic human rights. Thank you for telling your story and raising awareness❤
Thank you for your support!
@@CultstoConsciousness You and all the strong amazing people on your channel are so inspiring. We will change the world one day💪
It is so powerful and validating to hear this experience from a non-Saudi and a younger generation woman. I am honored to have connected with these two incredible women, Shelise and Nuriyah- so grateful to have been a guest on both of your shows. Let’s keep the conversation moving with this level of truth, integrity, and courage 🙌💪💛
Thank you Jasmin! We appreciate you and your perspective as well!❤️
Thank you, Shelise! ❤️
Nuriyah is incredibly brave and like YOU, a force uniting to raise women’s voices unapologetically!
@@jasmin-faulk-dickerson This is such a good show on TH-cam. Even the comments are rich with women’s experiences and good discussions.
Religion should be shut down
Catholic are just as evil.
Sad how people can be manipulated
Money and power is what religion loves.
Wow I had heard about culters who have cut off limbs for stealing but to hear someone from this community telling her side of what she's lived in. With her telling her side of the story it makes me open my eyes to more of things I never knew what was truly going on
Or no religion since you should choose to be a good person without threat of punishment or reward.
These things has been widely written about in media because lf the severe human rights violations, as well as women rights which is basically none existing. I'm glad you heard about it now at least.
It's too bad the wet behind the ears on college campuses can't open their eyes!
You think that`s just happening somewhere else under muslim regime? The old testament has the same laws and there is christian nationalists in the US who want this to happen here. They want public hangings, people being stoned and the death penalty for homosexuality. You can find podcasts where they explain their plans here on youtube on the channel "right response ministries".
Look at project 2025 and how it will give the president and everybody who follows him unprecedented power and than look at what the christain nationalists behind it say what kind of law they want to implement in the US when they get that power. It started with the supreme court deciding that the presidet has immunity, it will go on with the power grab that`s explained in project 2025 and if they are not stopped it will culminate in christian nationalists being able to implement these draconian biblical laws.
You live in a coddled society and are removed from the real world. Theft can mean the death to a whole family. A bunch of raiders steal your last cows or lambs. That was your family's wealth/food. Now that's it your family may not survive. Welfare doesn't exist.
In January 1991, I was in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, with the U.S. Army. My fellow service members and I were allowed to go to Saudi stores in Dhahran without chaperones. On Fridays, my U.S. Army company commander warned us before going to the stores. He said if we were in the stores after Friday prayers, the mutawa (religious police) with long sticks would round us for the weekly amputation and beheading. And we had to comply with the mutawa. I left the stores long before the punishments happened and was back in the U.S. military area at al-Khobar Towers.
Wow. Hard to imagine. There's never been a better reminder to be back on time. How.awful.
Really ... who is your audience
Yup, mutawa and all shops closed down.
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And you hadn't committed any crimes, just going into a store? Wow.
It's so telling how certain folks in the comments are defending Islam saying, "noooo she's lying and doing it wrong!" Your holy book prescribes extreme violence for transgressors and is HORRIBLE about women. There is absolutely nothing wrong with believing in Allah/God, but let's not pretend that the majority of modern interpretions are all wholesome, peaceful, and moral.
I’m surprised at the amount of trolls
@@cpeace3172it’s weird to conflate cultural enforcement of religious text with the religion itself. The same can be said about the Bible tbh.
@neurotika Bible does not enforce cultures into the religious observations.
@@neurotikaThe Bible doesnt teach you to slay the disbelievers, neither it's a book full of excuses for a pedophile.
@lanazh2443 Explain MAGA -- which is the religious right trying to enforce their way of life on all of America. Trumpism is the Christian version of Sharia law...
The feelings of muslims always get hurt when someone speaks the truth about Islam and prophet....
That's because they are not allowed to question and to follow the religion blindly
No defensiveness is necessary. This is not exclusive to just Islam.
@@nicolem2877 it is exclusive to Christianity and Islam... Just look how TH-cam behaves against people who tell the truth about Islam and Christianity... Account are deleted, demonitized etc...
No that’s not the case at all I’m not hurt I’m just more of why is the world spreading fake lies that’s what it is Islam does only protect the world and all of the things she said in that video were complete lies because I’m living here and I have the perfect life life is great and I don’t know how you guys even believe this stuff because it literally sounds bullshit like if you just like listen to it for a second it literally sounds bullshit do a little bit more research try reading the Quran
brain washed to think that 2 billion muslim follow hollywood version of islam 😂😂to be ignoorant is hard now days but some westerens think africa is country
Shalise..On behalf of everyone thank you to you and Jonathan for the work you 2 put into these..this channel is amazing, informative and eye opening. I tell everone who will listen about it ❤❤❤❤❤❤
Wow, thank you!❤️❤️
Imagining someone praying for hours and then going out to watch such cruelty… my GOODNESS …. Sadistic people can just walk amongst them
I thought the same thing, so godly!
It isnt considered to be that because its from their book. Because of that its considered halal/"allowed". That is the type of law the group at war & those in the surrounding countries want for the rest of the world. Well except they all want the most extreme form that calls for the "offing" of all those who reject it
@@kristiskinner8542I’m a “liberal/nominal Muslim” whose family is from a secular but Muslim-majority country. Half of my family is secular but ethnically Jewish, also from the same Middle Eastern country. I think it’s important to note that there are 2 billion Muslims and there are so, so very many of us who have left the stone age rules and verses where they belong and are pursuing a modern, humanist view where we take the life lessons about kindness and forgiveness from the Kuran with us and leave the rest of the bullshit behind. It is sad to me that neighboring countries still practice an incredibly archaic, misogynistic, extremist interpretation of Islam. Being raised around the faith of Islam and Judaism in both my home country and in America, the stories of these women always give me chills as sharia has been banned in my home country for over a hundred years, but had fallen into disfavor and was abandoned long before it was illegal on paper. My husband is from a more conservatively Muslim country and while there are many people there who lead more Western lives, unfortunately many politicians and enclaves lean more hateful and extremist. I fully support these survivors coming forward and sharing their stories, because sadly, like in most major religions, the sick and twisted extremist views come out to play and leave tragedy and oppression in their wake. I’m not attempting to argue or be disrespectful, but I feel like your comment paints all Muslims as practitioners and believers of extremist sharia and the misogyny, antisemitism, and hate it promotes, while wanting to spread that message worldwide. While those groups (like the ones at war now) sadly do exist, and while I fully accept and support critique of Islam as I consider myself to be a critic of many facets of the faith and book myself, I think it’s important to remember there are MANY muslims who are fighting against the extremist and archaic views tooth and nail, and the vast majority of Muslims I have come across in many different countries are just as terrified of islamic extremism and sharia as any non-Muslim reasonably should be. Again, not trying to argue, and valid critique of any religious movement is valid and incredibly important. I just don’t think we should generalize when speaking about any one faith, as Shelise has mentioned in many of her videos.
@@cors2526I get what you’re saying, but I also don’t think that all religions are created equal, and thus all religious beliefs should not be respected. It’s possible that the foundational beliefs of a religion are so at odds with modern society and human rights that it is not redeemable. It’s just hard for us to reconcile with Islam because the religion is 1,400 years old. It’s much easier to dismiss a new age religion/cult with extreme beliefs than an established religion. Even in Indonesia, which is considered a moderate Muslim country, 72% of Muslims believe Sharia law should be the law of the land (according to pew research center survey).
@@user-xy1sc7wh9p I wouldn’t consider Indosenia to be a moderately Muslim country at all, but that’s just based on my experience with the faith. I don’t think all religions are created equal, but it’s against my personal beliefs to demonize an an entire group of 2 billion people (religion aside as I don’t consider myself to be a very religious person as my family is multifaith). Most big religions, including all of the Abrahamic faiths and the two I was raised in, have extremist sects that sadly prioritize oppression, brainwashing, misogyny, and hatred. I get where everyone is coming from, it’s just my personal belief not to dislike or demonize an entire group of people based on faith, as everyone is different and I know plenty of Muslims, Jews, and Christians who abhor their extremist groups just as much as anyone else
Going to Islamic countries even as a tourist should be considered an extreme sport 👀
Not true
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So many women who don't have money or family support would never have been able to escape this or maybe even realize that they truly deserve to live their own lives :(
Listening to this is stomach churning. These poor women, our sisters , have to live under such violence and suppression, all in the name of a screwed up religion run by sociopathic men.
This story needs to be made into a movie. My heart was POUNDING during the part when she was trying to get on the airplane. It is so horrifying to think about how differently it could have gone if she hadn't been able to escape. Thank you for sharing your story. This needs to be told everywhere so people can see the horrible consequences of a society that only values women as property.
There's also a book called Not without my daughter. And a hindi movie escpae from taliban
Watch "escape from Taliban" it's available on youtube.
Watch Yvonne Ridley's story as well.
@@RayRaza787 sure
Same, just listening to that story was SO stressful!! I can't fathom living it 🫠
The difference in her story to many other Muslim women is that she had family support leaving an abusive marriage.
Secondly when she became an apostate her family respected her decision and didnt disown her.
These two things aren't the norm in Musim cultures it's a rarity.
I literally have friends who were told to go back to their abusers after they sought help from their family.
@user-qj9wu3er8e I know this for a fact. Look at the comment under this video by muslim mum of 5 trying to get divorced. The thread is full of other Muslim women invalidating her experience.
All of them think we can't easily access fiqh books. Or the descriptions of how women were dehumanised by Muhammad and his men preserved in their records.
@@Stardust475I am a female Muslim and have studied Islam at length and no such thing exists. Show me. I dare you. Perhaps their protection of women seems overwhelming to you in this day and age, but never to directly disrespect them. We never talk about Christianity and especially Judaism who have strict rules too. It is a rarity for abuse, it DOES happen, but Saudi men are, for the most part, gentlemen who spoil their daughters and wives. My SO is a practicing Muslim. He is super kind and has a good balance. There are awful people everywhere. It’s only us that get picked on for the minority of shiteheads. I would say the worst representation comes from the south Asians who use their culture and claim it as religion. I’ll give you an example. Our fathers are considered our guardians and we don’t need to cover up in front of them. Arab and other women don’t. For a fact. South Asian families a lot of the time don’t allow their daughters to wear pyjamas in front of male family members which isn’t even a thing in Islam! You’re not supposed to make a relaxed thing hard. Or as we say a halal thing haram. There needs to be a change.
And it's even worse for lesbians
Are you gonna teach us about our cultures lol?
When studying at university in the US, I took a class on Islam (because I knew nothing about it), which was taught by a female teacher who wasn't Muslim, but seemed to know basically everything about Islam anyway. She taught it very apologetically, talking about how scientific Muslims used to be before the Crusades killed all of their intellectuals, how spiritual it is that they pray five times a day, and how we should all admire them and try to be more like them regardless of our religion (mind you, this was a Catholic college, so assumedly, most of the students were some sort of Christian denomination). However, she glossed very casually over a lot of the treatment of women, saying things like, "Female circumcision is just a misunderstanding of the text," etc. Then, she brought in the Islamic leader of the area (a man), who spoke to us about the misunderstandings of Islam, how he's trying to help their reputation recover, etc. but then when he went to leave, our prof said, "Even though he's a good friend of mine, he still will not shake my hand because I'm a woman-- but that's okay!"
At the time, I was very impressionable and thought that that must just be how it is for them and that maybe they all feel differently about it than I did. Now that I'm watching this series on your channel, I'm starting to think twice about assuming that Muslims are all okay with this treatment, and maybe there's more to it than just what a liberal arts college can teach. I used to want to go to Dubai so badly, but when I started to hear about all of the very conservative laws, I let that dream die. I thought about how I couldn't hold hands with my partner in public, and that I couldn't even book a hotel room with someone of the opposite sex whom I wasn't married to. Even in the most religious, backwoods areas of the US, you never will be told that you can't book a hotel room with your partner if you aren't married. Seeing how celebrities like Lindsay Lohan have begun to completely change their identities after living in Dubai made me question just how deep this rabbit hole went, but hearing of your experience, it makes perfect sense. It really brands itself as this Instagram utopia, but in reality, it's just really oppressive and shiny.
I really never thought much about people's personal choice to convert to Islam until I watched a TH-camr (that I had previously watched for years but seemed to disappear off of the face of the Earth) tell her story about how she was more or less tricked into converting to Islam and moving in with her husband overseas, and how she had to escape from both him and the country at the same time whilst keeping their children safe. A similar thing happened to a friend of mine (also from the US) who took that very same Islam class with me. She had a really rough home life and struggled with her mental health whilst in university, but when she discovered our Islam class, she became *very* involved in the culture. Eventually, she met a Saudi man whom she officially converted to Islam for in order to marry, married him, and then moved with him back to his home country. I had been keeping in touch with her online until one day, all of her social media profiles disappeared, and I never heard from her again. I still wonder what happened to her, but I know that if she did have trouble getting away, she would have no one back in the US to save her; her family had no money, she barely had any living relatives, and aside me and a handful of classmates, she didn't really have any friends.
I think that it's a lot more complex than an outsider can truly understand, but to act as though it's just a "different culture" and to assume that people of that world are just okay with everything is ignorant. I realize now (especially after these past few interviews) that a lot of what westerners have just begun to gloss over are serious issues that need to be addressed. There are literal humanitarian crises happening that westerners just don't want to acknowledge because they've been made to feel that they don't have the authority to speak about them, and it's such a disservice to those living through things like this, especially women who have *no* voice in all of this. I think that if we'd be just as concerned about a woman being controlled within Christianity, we should be concerned about a woman being controlled in *any* culture, *anywhere* in the world. It's terrifying to think that we've just turned our backs to an entire people crying out for help based on their geographical location.
This is called love jihad. Aka conquering a country through the wombs of its women. Islamizing the wombs. Why do you think these Muslim men don't allow their sisters to marry Non Muslim men?
There is no female circumcision allowed in Islam. If anyone does it, it's cultural and wrong. It's absolutely against Islam. Also, Christian woman do not need to convert to marry a Muslim man. That man lied to her.
An absolutely conscientious and thorough comment..... very perceptive.
Well said! Thanks for sharing!
You should never learn about Islam in schools because you get nothing but lies and not the true Islam. Just read the Quran and Sahih Al Bukhari hadith, the most trusted Islamic sources- there is the true Islam: order and support of slavery, child marriage, killings of the infidels, and wife beatings and polygamy!
What she says around 1:10:22 is very similar to how I felt when realizing what this religion really is. Thanks so much for these videos - this support is needed. I left Islam almost 15 years ago. I was raised very religiously and prayed five times a day, fasted, ready Quran, etc. I was born and raised in the west but even so I don’t feel safe letting my family know. My father let me know if one of his children leaves we will be disowned and he also said if someone leaves they should be shot. It took me about 3 years of learning to finally leave Islam. I used to stand up for the religion but then started to think about it logically - it’s obviously man made to serve their prophet. I’m much older now but am still in the closet. I pretend to believe because of fear of what my family and the community would do. Thankfully I was able to marry a “convert” because I knew if I married someone who followed the religion it would be game over for me. I just wanted to move out of my parents house so I could have a bit of freedom. Please keep spreading this information. You are all so brave & you are helping those that need it.
I will pray for you to find peace and Truth, and a way through your difficult situation!
May God bless you and keep you!
Much love!
Thank you for sharing that. Your story is important ❤️
On Reddit, this guy created a thread (under AMA: Ask Me Anything). He is Muslim, living in Saudi, but also in the closet like you. He doesn't believe in Islam anymore, but is too afraid to tell his family, friends or employers because of the consequences. So he pretends and goes along with it. So he invited people to ask him questions about this and what it was like. It was a sad, but interesting, read.
I take it your husband is also in the closet as well, right? How sad and strange you both have to play this game, especially as you now live in a western country.
I hope the convert has seen sense and dropped Islam too. No sane person could follow Islam.
This breaks my heart. I really hope you can get out from under it somehow, someday.
Break the silence. Break the cycle.
Thank you for coming on Nuriyah! You are a gifted storyteller. I’ve learned quite a bit today.
She is not just very pretty and intelligent, but also tremedously brave. What an incredible journey!
WTF? That's means; she's beautiful.
@@alexispacey2864 they are saying, not only is she beautiful and smart, but also brave.
I love Nuriyah. I’ve listened to her tell her story over and over again in various interviews and never get bored 😂 I’m an ex Muslim female living in the UK and Nuriyah is such an inspiration to me ❤❤
Nuriyah, i'm so glad you got out safe! I too deconstructed because of a divorce. I got out of a toxic/abusive marriage and seeing how my religion failed me led me to do the same as you. I am blown away by the similarities between our experiences even though I was raised in conservative Christianity. Good gravy. Thankfully because i was divorcing in America i didn't have to deal with police abuse and sharia law. But irnwas still super scary and traumatic because I thought i was wrong to leave an abusive relationship.
I'm glad you got out and sorry for what you had to go through. 🙏
Western converts forget that they have a choice to wear hijab or not because the constitution of western countries which protects them from someone enforcing religious rules on them. In Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and many other majority Islamic countries, women do not have the option to not wear hijab. They are either enforced by a religious police (Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia) or by the common public who will make women wear a hijab or burqa; otherwise, they cannot walk on the street. I hope someday the reverts open their eyes.
You are such a fantastic interviewer, Shelise. Straight up, thoughtful & original; it's impressive.
Thank you!🥰🙏
Even muslims from other countries, i heard , saying Saudi Arabia is fucked up when comes to laws
And that muslim from some other countries want sharia where they get freedom
@@ishitaparmar7298you're speaking for alot of people there, should let each speak for themselves.
@@HeatherBoo916core or where started too
@@HeatherBoo916very true tho uk as example
I hated that this podcast had to come to an end. What an amazing woman with an amazing story. This grandma just wants to give her a big hug
I agree. She has her own channel. It is called Holy Humanist.
13:05 Nuriyah is referring to migrant workers that come to Saudi Arabia from poor Asian and African countries.
SA of domestic maids is rampant in these places justified via Sharia and dysfunction because of strict segregation.
Islam dies without lies
Thanks to social media, eventually Islam is going to die
Not justified at all by sharia stop making up stiff
OMG I just got to the airport part and bawling my eyes out😢😭. I'm so glad she's safe.
I taught at a university in Saudi for over two years. As a single woman who lived in a small very conservative town and didn’t live in a compound, it was rough.
How did you live? Who could you rely on to protect you?
Plz tell us what happen
Don't leave us hanging! It what ways was it rough? Can you share a few experiences.
You might consider doing an interview with Cults to Consciousness. I’d be interested in hearing how an educated Western single female University professor is treated in that country.
Interested in your story as well 💝
I requested this interview on Twitter. I'm so glad to see it happened!
Thank you!
Interesting how I grew up in Texas and the way she describes her s3x education is exactly the same as what I experienced.
That`s not a surprise. Some christian denominations in the US want laws and a regime like she described. This kind of s education or none at all are one step on the way to the ruling of Old Testament law for them.
Your naivety is cute.
@@anthill1510 Our nation's textbooks are created in Texas.
@@websurfer5772 Well that`s reassuring.
Don't judge yourself too hard, i grew in Bulgaria and went to school in the late 90s early 2000s, there was no s3x education whatsoever, it's not very religious country, so can't blame religion. You were supposed to pick this stuff from parents, friends, people from the street etc.
I hope you reach out to the western converts/reverts who are boasting about hijab and naqab and dreaming about sharia in western countries ,If you see tik tok its filled them , I do not understand what is happening.
Young people especially are more inclined to be radicalized when it comes to any belief system. I think it comes from a feeling of superiority…I cling to this religion’s rules to a fault and it tells me I’m right and you’re wrong. We’ve all been young and you can see how that feeling of superiority can appeal to them.
@@costructivecritic I'm a revert and I don't cover my hair, I'm very modern and liberal. Not everyone is the same.
@@HeatherBoo916 Yeah, you have a choice because your constitution protects you from someone enforcing religious rules on you. In Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and many other majority Islamic countries, women do not have the choices you have. They are either enforced by a religious police (Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia) or by the common public who will make you wear a hijab or burqa; otherwise, you cannot walk on the street without getting told to wear hijab. I hope someday you open your eyes.
@@costructivecritic I lived in Pakistan, I had a choice there also. I lived in Peshawar for a year. I was never forced by anyone to wear anything I didn't want to and I didn't wear hijab there either. Not ever place is the same. I understand places like Iran and Saudi have religious police, I'm not saying that they don't. But not all religious countries are like that.
I also hope your eyes are opened. Have a blessed day.
@@HeatherBoo916 - Living for a vacation or short term doesn't count. Living in an expat bubble doesn't count either. You have to live with common people. Just recently, a woman was almost lynched because of some Arabic words on her dress. Ask any minority how they live in Pakistan; they even have to change their names. Preaching is very easy; reality is very different. By the way, I am from South Asia, so I know what I am talking about. You need to open your eyes, or wait a few more years in the UK to know Sharia effectively.
Imagine if Nuriyah did not have a British passport, she would be trapped with this man, or arrested. Shame on Dubai authorities for being so oppressive & misogynistic. I really appreciate Nuriyah's courage to speak up. I am Jewish, I know how radical and dangerous the Islamists can be.
Women get arrested all the time in Dubai for being pregnant and unmarried, even visitors
it is their culture. Way worse than the West.
@@kreed3494 omg, I didn't realize they are so backward. I am Israeli-Canadian. There was a peace agreement btw UAE & Israel recently. Israelis visit this country. UAE tries to sell the image of being a modern country. Obviously this is not true.
I say , I know first hand 🎉🎉🇵🇰✨️🇮🇳✨️🇺🇲
That’s the issue with westerners, these things have been known about the middle east forever!! Even a third world person like me has known these things since mid 90’s!! I would expect a first world and informed person like you to know these things right?? We are lead to believe that the first world has all these opportunities and stuff we don’t have access to so I’m not supposed to be knowledgeable about history and religion!! That’s the reason why the west is dying because they have forgotten what made them great!! Now we have to save the west from it self!!
The best decision in my life was leaving islam. I have wasted my life praying for a fake god that would torture everyone no matter how much they pray to him best decision ever done
Thank you for making the world a little better, please stay safe man.
What a fabulous conversation!!! Thank you for sharing your journey with us
As a Catholic middle eastern … every thing she said is 100% right
Yes!!! This channel is on fire!!! I have been loving your guests lately! Off to buy some C2C merch!
On your keens for christ eh? Well so am I!
Huh
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Shelise! I am not a Muslim (raised Catholic, currently Quaker), but as an outsider I understand the difference between Shia and Sunni Muslims as kind of like Brighamite vs other sects of Mormonism. There are fundamentalist Brighamites (FLDS) and "liberal" Brighamites (LDS), but they are different from non Brighamites in that they chose to follow Brigham Young after Joseph's death. Shia muslims followed the Prophet's cousin when he died (and believe bloodline is important) whereas Sunni muslims followed his friends and companions, but there are both fundamentalist and liberal people in both groups!
Didn’t know this. And I’m fascinated with Mormons for some reason… so thanks 😊
Super helpful! Thank you!
Fascinating. Ex-Quaker here.
Same with Christian sects in America. Evangelical to conservative Baptist or Catholic, new age fundamentalist, to church of Jesu Christ etc…
A leadership and succession split after the prophets death is also how I understand it.
This is so 7th Century. This absurd way of thinking needs to be demolished!
You think that`s just happening somewhere else under muslim regime? The old testament has the same laws and there is christian nationalists in the US who want this to happen here. You can find podcasts where these pastors explain their plans here on youtube on the channel "right response ministries".
Look at project 2025 and how it will give the president and everybody who follows him unprecedented power and than look at what the christian nationalists behind it say what kind of law they want to implement in the US when they get that power. It started with the supreme court deciding that the presidet has immunity, it will go on with the power grad that`s explained in project 2025 and if they are not stopped it will culminate in christian nationalists being able to implement these draconian biblical laws.
Long long overdue
She is so amazing!! This kind of independent thinking and honest inquiry into dogma is soooo refreshing.
Saudi Arabia used to fund wahabi Islam throughout the world, esp to madrasas (religious schools) in South Asia. It is one of the big reasons you see lynchings in Pakistan over rumours of blasphemy and you see increased rates of violence in india against the rest of the population (though the western media only reports the reactions by the rest of the population)
Dear NURIYAH KHAN, Did you ever think WHY a team of FOUR (4) MALE POLICE OFFICERS (MUTAWAH) used to come to your house? As you said (Hope I understood it correctly.), they were trying to CHARGE YOU of ADULTERY. They NEEDED FOUR MALE EYEWITNESSES! So, they came WELL PLANNED and WELL PREPARED!
Whoa. That's it. 😲
Her parents are her biggest blessing ❤
WOW. We need part 2. There is so much to learn about!!
Going live with her tonight!
In India we just had general elections. So there was an email from the community motivating people to go vote. I thought to myself who do we vote for? A party begging for Muslims votes and promising them the return of triple talaq and the right to hijab. Forget it. Better that party lose.
I’m so happy to hear she had the support of her family!!!! I was raised Muslim and thankfully have very moderate Turkish parents. I married a Muslim Lebanese and through him I learned deep Islam and am no longer supportive of this cult. It’s tough because being a Muslim is what I’ve known for 35 years but I just can’t label myself as someone part of this. Having supportive parents means the world.
Also, my husband and I are on the same page…thankful for that as well.
The way she speaks about how the thought process is just engrained in you with living your daily life, sayings, conspiracy theories etc. Is so true. You have to stop yourself from that way of thinking. For me the biggest thing was getting over the fear that Islam teaches. We were raised to fear and try to stay away from the fire of hell. It’s definitely an adjustment.
someone told outright lies and you believed it she's Afghan woman telling these lies to get citizenship in west, every person have their own experience, opinion & conviction don't fall for it
She's so humane that she supports genocide of Palestinians
A really interesting discussion. Thank you so much! Two brave ladies! 🙂 By the way, I have posted this great discussion on my blog.
Thank you for your work. Both of you!
I respect this young lady for exposing the misogyny in men to the point where women are accused of being crazy.
It has happen in Europe as well. She is right there is an abuse of power. I would encourage to read Dr. Asma Lamrabet - Women in the Qur'an: An Emancipatory Reading. Her book is an eye opener.
Me too! We also had Dr.’s here in America put women(their husbands could do it. They owned them) in asylums for being “hysterical” bc of our menstrual cycle or bc they fought back from their husbands or didn’t share the same opinion. God forbid the women had an opinion. They were considered crazy. Not that far back. Thank goodness our forefathers had an insight in our democracy so women’s refuge could happen thru law of the courts and lawyers had forethought to argue. Still not equal but women have more opportunity to get it. And we had separation of church and state. Which is being debated again. Trying to get it back into politics.
Very distressing but also very inspiring. Thank you both so much.
I hope this goes viral. I want innocent muslims to see the truth of islam.
Yes! I love Holy Humanist!!
Be careful exposing Islam. Stay safe! Thank you for your work on cults.
She married a psychopath, it’s got nothing to do with Islam.
She deserves every happiness a free country can offer her.
Narrow escape! 😲 Hats off to her.
What a lovely guest. Very interesting and very easy to understand. Xx
19:36 This reminds me: I am a non-muslim and more-or-less straight woman living in a very liberal western European country where many women show much skin in the summer, which is considered totally normal. Yet, I remember a time when I was on a bus and I saw a woman walking in the streets dressed in what I believe to be an abaya - she was covered in black from head to feet (maybe her hands were covered, too, I don't really remember) - and also her face was covered, except for the eyes. Then, suddenly the wind took the hem of her dress and made a part of her white ankles show for a brief moment, and I remember how shocking - and naked - that innocent glimpse of bare skin felt. It was almost like watching something really forbidden and pornographic, and even though I have no interest in other women's ankles and probably see them all the time in the summer without really noticing it, I am sure I must have really starred. It was almost like I couldn't help it. When I react like that, I am not surprised that men get totally obsessed. It's like the forbidenness makes everything much more s***ly loaded than it really is.
The whole premise that women have to cover bc the men don’t have to have any accountability for their feelings or desires is absolutely abhorrent to me. Women are revered as non human, no emotions that are to be considered or thought process. Just good enough to bare children like livestock and good enough to rear them, and good enough to have sex with, but disgusting otherwise. Dont tell me this isn’t about power and control and it’s all Man made. I believe forcing one religion on a country is what’s caused this sect of people to not progress as a people. That’s why these genocides will continue. Turkey trying to destroy old temples and such to hide their history so that the people will not find the truth. Just barbaric.
stared*
I wonder who remembers an episode of "Love American Style" - there was a woman who was totally free with her body and being naked (of course not fully shown in the show), but she always wore gloves; the man character was obsessd with getting those gloves off.
If you are a non-Muslim (Kafir...) woman that's living in a liberal, European country in the West, your stance (defending the reaction of Muslim males...) is what's seriously wrong with modern, European societies in the West.
Not only are you conveniently 'forgetting' what women had to once endure back in the day (in your country..), in order to be heard - and to vote... you're taking what you see as 'normal' treatment of women in your society (today...) for granted - while sympathizing with males that treat girls/women like utter garbage... be they Muslim - or not.
And, pray tell, what does your apparent sexual preferences have to do with any of this?!?
You think that`s just happening somewhere else under muslim regime? The old testament has the same laws and there is christian nationalists in the US who want this to happen here. They want public hangings, people being stoned and the death penalty for homosexuality. You can find podcasts where they explain their plans here on youtube on the channel "right response ministries".
Look at project 2025 and how it will give the president and everybody who follows him unprecedented power and than look at what the christain nationalists behind it say what kind of law they want to implement in the US when they get that power. It started with the supreme court deciding that the presidet has immunity, it will go on with the power grad that`s explained in project 2025 and if they are not stopped it will culminate in christian nationalists being able to implement these draconian biblical laws.
This interview was eye-opening and informative. I learned a lot. Thanks for sharing!
I was an American in a mainstream Christian church. I wish I’d had Google back then. I stayed 25 years. The church I left would have LOVED to have these laws.
Yep. They're working on it. It's part of the plan.
But the church of Christ doesn’t have these laws.
Sadly that's a true statement abou6 anything that becomes a cult run by people... Usually men.... Who are focused because of their desire for power, control self serving and greed.
Huh????
Brave young ladies on this video. (I have been aware of similar accounts of violence and discrimination against women in societies as diverse as Amish, Catholic hindu, ) Wish it was more publicly known then the cycles of discrimination and violence against women regardless of faith culture background that perpetuate would be able to be broken.
Loved this interview. Each one is so good and relatable in some way.
That was so powerful. Thank you for all you do for the people freeing their minds, bodies, and souls from the grip of the “religious lie”
Wow. When she talks about how she would read her religion's holy book in a language she didn't understand it reminded me of how the Catholic Mass was said in Latin until late in the 20thcentury so no-one knew what was actually being said.
That comparison isn’t true. When mass was said in Latin, everyone had Latin English missals would be able to know what was being said if you were literate
My confirmation in Romania was in Hungarian, which I didn't understand, because the bishop couldn't stand us and refused to do a service in my language for the few of us who wouldn't understand what we were promising. Great way to start someone on a deconstruction journey, at least
That comparison is 100% true
My 🇨🇦 Auntie was one of those foreigners who movies to S A for work. She was a great X-Ray Tech. She worked at King Hospital in the late 90s and early 2000's. She talked about; whenever she left the "compound"; she had to wear a Burqa. She also had to be with a married couple; pretending to be the married man's 2nd wife. Unless she was with a tour group.
I agree with many of the things you are saying. I was an American Christian woman married to a Saudi man. We met in America then moved to Jeddah in 1996 with our 5 children I stayed within the national population no compound!! Sometimes I worried about my safety but thank God nothing bad happened🙏 Because the last two years there he was not a good husband/Father. We barely had food he would just leave and not come back for days at a time so me and my kids would wander the streets to just get out of the house!! Play in empty parking lots etc go to a few stores on my own!! We did use the street drivers/taxis now I see how dangerous that was by what you said. The men there have no self control over their sexual lusts. The windows there have bars on them and if you stand at the windows and a man may see you I had guys masturbate if it was night!! It was disgusting I would just go grab some eggs and throw them at the guys and then just moved away from the windows!! I stayed for 7 years and I was finally free to go with my 5 kids back to America to God be all the glory 🙏🙏🙏 He’s never seen his kids since or paid for them!! But I can relate to what life is like there. I hope things are better there for women now?? I know a lot of foreign women stayed because of their kids I’m glad I got out 21 years ago✌🏼
Bless you sister for having the strength to leave and make a better life for yourself and your children❤️
Which god are you talking about allah or jesus ?
@@jimkpani4829 they're both equally fictional.
@@cl5470 so people like thoma one of the dieciple of jesus went all the way to india to die for a fictional jesus ? Why ?
Funny thing that reminded me of this channel today is that one of the Church of Jesus Christ higher ups was on local tv and they asked him about "Do you guys respect atheism and other religions plus people that wants to leave yours at some point" and he went like "OH ABSOLUTELY" 😅 Cult of consciousness says otherwise bro!
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The Mormons are very creepy. I'm an ex mormon.
I was glued to this real horror story with a happy ending...she is a great speaker. Thank you for having this young woman on your podcast. Divine intervention helped her without a doubt🙏.
For me, this doesn't seem like a happy ending at all, not while there are women still living through these kinds of nightmares every day in the world right now. I had no idea this religion was so barbaric and evil, I thought it was just extremists misinterpreting, but apparently not.
Thank you for sharing!❤
I lived in Ankara, Turkey growing up and the men acted the same. They would stalk and follow us. It was very scary.
My nieces were terrified to go out as teens in Delhi because of the way that some of the men acted towards them (British, white, blonde). If people are given licence to be nasty, then some will take it.
Satan hates women!
Something that applies to all of us, Muslim or not, is that abuse is not just physical abuse. I'm an educated woman, and still thought that abuse could not happen to "someone like me". I had a very narrow view of what abuse is. In the meantime, I went thru years of emotional abuse that I was trying to "normalize".
Nuriyah is an incredibly intelligent and powerful young woman whose story needs to be transmitted more broadly. Keep it up Nuriyah - the world needs you.
Thanks for platforming ex-muslims, especially giving light to women's experiences. It is SO important.
This was a fantastic interview!
This is true! If a Muslim woman initiates the divorce, she gives up her right for everything, including alimony. This protects abus1ve husbands 100%.
Keep 👏🏼 Calling 👏🏼 Out 👏🏼 Islam 👏🏼
please call out organized religion as a whole, and not specify which cult they advertise
Islamic ideology too dangerous to go against and death threats will happen.
@@stephaniemaier699there’s a major difference between normal religions and Islam 🙄
@@stephaniemaier699 Nope. Not all organized religion is like Islam at all. Many religious cults exist and should be called out. Not all.
@stephaniemaier699 there are fringe fundamental religious factions, however, Islam is in a league of its own because the fringe is the norm. Christians don't have sharia.
Nuriyah, you story was terrifying but more than anything the support you got from your parents was so wholesome. I really love your parents so much and how much they care about you
I wonder how many of the Ladies from there would do with a Man that loves and respects them and treats them as a equal and a Queen? I know my Wife of 25 years did RIP. Maybe one day i can find love again. Till then I wish this Lady and others like Her the best in life. Do what brings you joy and happiness in life Beautiful lady
Such a beautiful and strong woman speaking the truth about Islam and about the wrong done to her!!
Equating islam with christianity is a big whoopsies, i hope people are slowly waking up that you cannot compare the two
Debatable.
@@lizzybeary We can compare 16th century christianity with 21st century islam.
Comparing and contrasting is absolutely what we should do.
It's the only way we can understand how these patriarchal religions and systems work.
Oh yes you can, Old Testament was a vengent God, New Testament was a turn your cheek God. But in old days women still didn’t have rights. This is Old Koran’s they have not progressed. And we have Christian religions today are dictating how women dress, act, serve their husbands etc.. in America we don’t behead, so that fear is not there, but you are shamed in the congregation or shunned. Many of our American religions are nothing short of Cults. Bibles are deciphered at the preachers will. People indoctrinated to believe their minister bc he’s closer to God than you. I laugh when people entry to use the Bible against me, thinking bc (they believe it’s law above the laws of the land) that I must obey or be shamed. I ultimately tell them their beliefs do not hold water in our discussion. That’s brain washing right there. They cannot give their own opinions and back them up without using an old belief system that was put together by controlling sycophants.
Unfortunaltely you can. And there is some christian churches in the US right now who want laws like she described. They find the justification for it in the old testament and the fact that Jesus never outright condemned these laws.
Sad to say, but Mohammed sounds like the earlier version of LDS' Joseph Smith.
Cult
The FLDS-Is basically a version of Mormonism closer to what Islam is.
Omg I was thinking recently how amazing it would be if you interviewed Holy Humanist! I've been watching her for some time now and I came across this channel recently and it cover already two or three people I've been thinking have amazing stories. You guys never disappoint ❤
Thank you! Always feel free to comment your suggestions! 😁
Thank you, Shalise for giving these people a big platform to speak about these bad things going on in religion/cults! I'm so happy all these people are alive and mentally okay enough to share their stories. Take care❤
Thank you for sharing. I love that you distinguish between what the actual Quran and Hadith say and what many who call themselves Muslim believe. You can absolutely condemn Islam without hating all the people who think they are following various versions of it. Many Muslims don’t even realize what all the Quran says. Thank you for bringing the truth to light.
That whole story is so incredible. Wow. She's so brave.
Dear NURIYAH KHAN, Its always a pleasure seeing you happy and smiling despite all that in the past! Every time I hear/watch you I learn some more details.
I am a CHRISTIAN who was BORN in PAKISTAN, GREW UP in PAKISTAN, and STUDIED MANDATORY ISLAMYAT/ISLAMIC STUDIES (Quran + Hadith + Islamic History, etc.) in school. Yes, I learned how to READ ARABIC and MEMORIZED QURAN VERSES and SURAHS and some HADITHS (AHADITH) as well.
Even as a CHRITIAN I had to UNLEARN A LOT of ISLAM that I studied in school and OBSERVED/EXPERIENCED while GROWING UP/STUDYING along with MILLIONS of MUSLIMS after getting to The West where much more information is available and freedom to read it. By the way, I NEVER BELIEVED in THE CORE (FUNDAMENTAL) BELIEFS of ISLAM and had a good amount of access to the information that DEBUNKED ISLAM (Quran + Hadith)! Still, it was a bit challenging to disprove THE MUSLIM MYTHOLOGY and BASELESS CLAIMS without information about the counter viewpoint and THE DANGER (especially as a CHRISTIAN) associated with such information. There was NO INTERNET at the time and I was in PAKISTAN! Despite all this The Lord Jesus Christ gave me a lot of COURAGE and WISDOM as a young man to respond to many STRANGE, INSANE, and DERROGATORY questions and comments MUSLIMS directed at me!
Keep smiling and keep it up, Dear NURIYAH KHAN! I watch and share your videos wherever and whenever I can. God bless you! BE SAFE!
Good. paki bro
This was a great interview! What a crazy story. And bless this woman for getting out.