Thank you for this video. You answered every question I had about his adapter, whereas the Bosch website offered so little information, I have to conclude that they don't care if they sell any of these! Thanks again.
Great video, and timely! I just bought a Bosch 1617 to work with the Rockler dovetail jig and trying to figure out how to mount the guide. I now know, thanks to you.
Thank you gary for doing this video. It helped me set up my quick change adapter that came from Bosch with no instructions. I guessed it right but the centering was something I did not do first. Likely saved me from screwing up some material.
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I'm a 70 year old woman trying to figure out my router while trying to use a template to install my SOSS hinges. I was lost! You totally explained it so I know how to handle it! Thank you!!!
Many thanks, Gary! I have developed my wood shop over the last couple of years and have reached the point where I need to make some drawers for a rolling cart in the shop. I planned to use dovetail joints, purchased a Porter-Cable Dovetail Jig, and other items, only to find I needed a means to attach the guides to my Bosch router. This video is a perfect instructional aid on the items I need and the mean to install them. Thank you!
Thank you for the information. Perfect! I’m getting real close to using my Bosch router for sign making. I didn’t know I needed this kit, will get one tomorrow.
Thank you Gary for the video. I had no idea how the Bosch template guide was installed. I have always been familiar with the Porter Cable style template guide. The Bosch system seems to be a big improvement. Thanks again!
IMHO I would center the baseplate after you installed the guide bushing. This would negate any deviations in manufacturing defects regardless of how minimal they might be. I realize the centering cone couldn't be used on the smaller of the bushings but may on the larger ones. A smaller one would be needed. Which I believe they are available. Thanks for the video.
Hi Gary... Just getting into this and needed to know exactly how to set this up... I learned about the bushing adapter on the fly from another video but did't know about the Quick change adapter part of it until I started delving into learning to use my new PC 4216 ... I want to thank you very much for your time passing on this info... A couple of questions that came to mind were answered on the two previous comments... Your responses to those comments helped further clarify quite nicely... Thanks again..........
EXCELLENT demonstration, and explanation. I've been using the centering cone on the wrong side of the base all this time. I just found this vid/channel, and hope you have more good info on tools (especially for the 1617) in your channel. Subscribing, and going to dig now.
You can use the cone either direction and achieve the same result. I personally prefer to use it the other way. Reason being is it "sandwiches" the base so it's less like to move. Important thing is that you leave the cone in one position and don't remove it a bunch.
@@donkeydiehard879 Thank you! Thanks for your comment. Excellent point. I have seen it proposed both ways for different reasons. I bought two of the cones to use it positioned each way. I use it differently for different applications and uses. For me in production set ups I didn't want to be changing it a lot as the cone is plastic and can cause wear over time each time you change it. Thanks for the tip! 👍
@@GaryLundgrenCrafts yeah, I had the same idea with 2 cones lol. I just had to make a router table insert plate, as my old router table top had an oddball size (11-⅜ × 16-½). So I bought a ¼" sheet of aluminum and routed my own insert plate... with my 1 functioning arm... talk about a nightmare!!! Lol. When I got to the insert ring in the insert plate, I was able to sandwich my router, centered, and route out a ⅛" deep, 4" wide lip, and then my 3" wide through opening. Only having 1 arm made it nerve racking as I had tolerances that couldn't be off in any way. In the end, it's not perfect, but it is functional, and centered perfectly. Without the centering cone, it'd have been way tougher and way worse in appearance lol.
Thank you for posting this. I was able to set-up--center and install--my template guide to my Bosch palm router. I have the template guide that you installed at the end of the video (brass template).
@@GaryLundgrenCrafts Quick Question: Gary, I noticed that an inlay kit comes with a bushing that is added and then removed on a template guide for cutting patterns. Can you explain why that is? thanks.
Great video Gary. I bought the Bosch 1617 combo kit back last October and ended up putting the 1617 in my Woodpecker router table and wanna leave it there so now I have the plunge base and no router so I bought another 1617 router w/o the plunge base and will use it for that. So I was needing to get some guide bushings and came across the Bosch set and saw ur video on it so I went ahead and ordered a set. Thanks 👍
Great demo. Never used a bushing in a router before and had to make a new base plate to use porter cable bushings. With all the videos out there, it works great. I used a 1/2 inch drill bit for a centering pin.
Putting the motor back in Router base, I am in a fight now can no longer slide or glide it back on/in.. I see the little nipple I have to work with for groove entry.. but it’s just tough and almost feels like the motor expanded.. I hope you can comprehend, thanks
Thanks very much man, I was looking at this set on Amazon and was curious as to how it mounted, very good walk through, one question, could that quick connect stay installed when you're not using the guides?
Yes it could but depending on what you route on a daily basis it will gum up bad and not work easily. I've got this set. And came here to see if the Porter cable ones worked glad to see it does lol
Thank you for excellent informative video. I just purchased the 1617 then I bought the Bosch RA1129 Template Guide Adapter Set from Amazon for $7.75 for the Porter Cable Bushings that I have. Is it ok to leave the quick change part in the router when not using the bushings? Just subscribed to your channel.
Thank you! I guess you can leave that in so long as it provides clearance for any bit you are using. I take mine out as I use my router for a variety of purposes.
Bosch Model 1617EVS: A Variable-Speed 2 H.P. Regular Router at a lot of Low Speed: 9,975 RPM with a Porter-Cable 7" Circular and 1-1/8" Regular Hole Sub Base: Model 9697 with 4 Slot-Headed Router Screws, a 5/8" collar, and a 3/8" dovetail bit That can only be used by hand. But there are other routers too. Porter-Cable Speedmatic Model 7538: An Early 2000's version of a 1-Speed 3 H.P. Plunge Router at plenty of High Speed: 22,975 RPM with a Bosch Router Sub Base with 4 Phillips-Headed Router Screws, a 3/8" Straight Cutting Bit with a 1/2" shank, & a Porter-Cable Micro-Adjustable Router Guiding Fence: Model 42699 Porter-Cable Power Tools Since 1906 Speedmatic Model 7537: An Early 1990's Version of a 1-Speed 2-1/2 H.P. Regular Router at a lot of High Speed: 22,975 RPM with both Black Grip Handles, a 1/2" collar, & a 1/4" dovetail bit Porter-Cable Speedmatic Model 7536: An Early 2000's version of a 1-Speed 2-1/2 H.P. D-Handle Router at plenty of High Speed: 22,975 RPM with both a 3/8" collar, & a 5/16" dovetail bit Rockwell Porter-Cable Speedtronic Model 518: A Variable-Speed 3 H.P. Regular Router, mounted in a Store-Bought Router Shaper Table: Rockwell Porter-Cable Model 646 with Whiteside Machinery 1/2" shank Edge Forming Router Bits, Bull Nose Bits at a lot of Medium Speed: 15,975 RPM, Window Sash Bits at a lot of High Speed: 21,975 RPM, Stile and Rail Bits at a lot of Medium Speed: 15,975 RPM, and Panel Raising Bits at a lot of Low Speed: 9,975 RPM Porter-Cable Power Tools Since 1906 Speedmatic Model 7519: An Early 1990's Version of a 1-Speed 3 H.P. Regular Router with both Black Grip Handles, a 3/4" collar, & a 1/2" dovetail bit with a 1/2" shank
FYI, the four countersunk holes on the base plate directly adjacent to the four screws at 3:36 can be used with the flathead screws that come with the router to center the baseplate to the axis of the collet. At least that's what I've learned...I haven't checked to see how perfect it is yet.
@@GaryLundgrenCrafts FYI, today I checked and the flathead screws and countersunk holes don’t perfectly center the baseplate. Best to stick with the cone.
The cone should be mounted the other way , the way you did it you could misalign again when tightening the screws (unless you know how much you have unscrewed each screw which is almost impossible). Pushing the cone against the base eliminates that :) Thank you .
Thank you! I believe you are right, especially for plunge bases. The base in this video I used was a fixed base. I think it can be centered either way for a fixed base. But as you say, from the top for plunge bases would be best. Thanks!
@@GaryLundgrenCrafts @3:50 you have the base locking lever in the unlocked position, I don't know about these things so I gather it doesn't make the adjustment inaccurate? My worry is that when clamping the base to the motor it can change the center position slightly?
I have this router. Mine has the adapter plate always mounted on. I just got the piece so i can use the bosch or harbor freight bushing kit 15$. I have centering tool too. I didnt need to center my base as it was close enough. I used a .50 bit in the .530 ID bushing. It didn't rub hand turning but did hit the brass at motor start up but then doesn't. The OD of this brass bushing is .625". It fits very nice and tight in the adapter bushing. Did I do something wrong? I am disappointed the Harbor Freight bushings have different lengths throats so your templates cannot all be 1/4 inch or something. I've made templates using the outside of my router base but never tried a router guide I guess I need to watch more TH-cam videos . thanks Gary. I will go watch that one you recommended
Thank you. Sometimes off brands can have less tolerance. I've learned over the years to stick with the brand for best performance. Sometimes you can get away with the off brands. Thanks!
Good video Gary, saved me a lot of frustration trying to figure it out. I have a Bosch 1617EVS just like yours. I still have a problem though. With the adapter in place on the router and using a 1/2" shank dovetail bit along with bushing guides that came with my Porter Cable dovetail jig, the router bit will not extend far enough from the bottom of the router. The 1/2" collet hits the bushing guide preventing it from extending the depth I need. Is the fix simply to buy a longer shank 1/2" bit?
Gary... Thanks for your reply on my last comment. I have another question... Once the bushing adapter is installed, can it be left in place even when NOT using the bushing guides.. You know.. for applications when the guides aren't being used.. ??
Thanks! I would recommend not leaving the guide bushing in place when there's no need for it. It does create a an edge that can cause your bits to not perform as they should. If you want to leave that in place I would suggest using an extra router for other work. I have three. Regular size such as this Bosch. A DeWalt compact, and a palm router. My Bosch stays in the table. I use the others for any handheld work with 1/4" shank bits. 🙂
Bruce Walters ... If you are asking about ability to leave the quick-change adapter in place while doing router work that does not require guide bushings, yes, you can do that. It's on the router side of the base plate, away from the work.
Thank you! That would be a good idea to check that. Mine is dead on, but tolerances from one kit to another may change slightly. Thanks for the suggestion!
Thanks for watching! It should fit with the appropriate base plate. But you may ask at the link in the video description amzn.to/2Hk2m80. A Bosch rep may reply.
As a newbie to the router tool, I still can’t figure out what the heck you use a bushing guild for? Watched two videos that talk about them but fail to show what their for. Lol
Thank you! I guess I thought most woodworkers who use a router knew about guide bushings and their use. This video is to help some who struggle with setting them up. I can be a bit tricky. I didn’t cover the basics as there are thousands of excellent videos out there on that subject. I did a quick search for “router bit guide bushings” and came up with this one. Matt Cremona has an excellent video on this at th-cam.com/video/pnqP3qVjCLY/w-d-xo.html Rockler also has very quick one at th-cam.com/video/JvCvYeRCtYA/w-d-xo.html I hope that helps. Thanks!
I find this in Amazon.USA: "The template guide set works with many Bosch routers, including the 1613Aevs, 1617-, 1618-, 1619- and mr23-series routers, as well as the plunge bases for Bosch palm routers." So, it is compatible.
I was disappointed to see how sloppy the Porter Cable bushing guide fitted to the Bosch adaptor @9:00 You went to the trouble of centring the base plate, but the poor fit of the Bosch RA1100 adaptor appeared to reintroduce a good 0.5mm of possible offset. I'd find it difficult to live with that. It is also disappointing that it looks like the only way to get the RA1100 adaptor is to buy the Bosch RA1128 Template Guide kit. If you intend using screw on Porter Cable guide bushings, then the rest of the Bosch Template kit is redundant.
Thanks! Thanks for the tip. I checked mine and don't have any play at all. Sometimes in manufacturing tolerance get off and they have to re-tweak the machinery. Thanks for letting us know that issue!
Gary, I regret that you are using the cone wrongly. It should be inserted from outside the base-plate so that the base is forced against the router and held in position firmly while you tighten the screws. This ensures perfect centering.
Than you! Excellent point! It can be used two ways and I've done both. I bought an extra to avoid wear on the assembly when switching around. Sometimes one way is better than the other, and vice versa. Thanks for the tip!
Gary: excellent instruction. My specific issue with the RA adapter to utilize the PC bushing guide for 1/2” dovetail bit. With the bushing mounted in a bosch 23EV series, the dovetail bit that came with the PC jig, is too short and doesnt reach the height gauge. Adjusting the bit in the collet for proper length, only half of the bit shank is seated. Makes no sense to me. If on the other hand i use the bushing that is in the bosch kit, its 1” long?? Any help from those watching or Gary mightbprovided some guidance -
@@GaryLundgrenCrafts At what height below the jig, does one set the adj pad for through dovetail / pins and tails for 1/2" & 3/4" thk. Blind is 3/8". thanks to Gary and or the community
Do all of the bushings stick out the same distance past the base plate? Do you know about how far that is? I have a different base plate with a different style of quick change cushion, but they are not all the same, and some of them stick out too far for using a quarter inch thick template. Probably should have just bought this the first time instead of wasting my time with that other set that doesn’t fit back in the case anyway…
Thank you! The bushings can stick out various depths. Depends on your needs and thickness of the template or other guides you may be using. You need to buy them based on your need.
@@GaryLundgrenCrafts my rockler sign making bushing doesn’t sit flush inside of that adapter. It sits about 1/16 above the base plate. And I have to tighten it a few times so it isn’t angled a bit to one side. I don’t want to have to modify either, but I don’t know which one is causing the issue. I think I’m going to pickup that clear sub base so I can use it without an adapter and so I can see my letters I’m routing.
@@andre1987eph I found the issue to be the bushings. 2 out of my 3 kits use the same size bushing. The third sits nice and flush. I have bought the Jasper Tools clear sub base so I’m going to give that a try as well.
Thank you Gary for making this video and for answering viewers' questions. 1) I've a Bosch 1604 router (1/4" collet) which has a base plate (Bosch Part Number 3600190500; discontinued, www.ereplacementparts.com/base-plate-p-49557.html) which makes me question: Is there the need for the Bosch RE1151 Centering Pin? 2) The 1604's base plate also makes me wonder: Would the template guide set (RA1128) and adapter (RA1129) work? 3) At about 9:00, you introduce standard Porter Cable bushing guides, but didn't include a link to them in the listed links, perhaps intentionally as I'm only now contemplating the purchase of the Porter Cable 12" dovetail jig 4216, and maybe these bushings are otherwise called by another part name (?). 4) With all of these added costs in getting my old Bosch router to work with the Porter Cable dovetail jig (4216), and uncertainty in success, I'm also wondering: Would it be prudent to buy a new router that's better suited to work with the PC 4216 dovetail jig; and if so, could you please suggest your top picks?
1 - I am not familiar with the Bosch 1604 router and how these parts would fit that. I am only familiar with the Bosch 1618 and that is the one I spoke of in this video. 2 - As I mentioned above I am only familiar with the Bosch 1618. 3- There are many sources for these standard Porter Cable bushing guides and the prices vary. So I left that to people’s own choices. 4 - My only experience is with the Bosch 1618, DeWalt 611 (compact), and a trim router. I believe any of the brand names such as DeWalt, Porter*Cable, Bosch, etc. would be good. For a dovetail jig I would recommend using a router that will accept ½” shank bits and use those for better stability. Basically I’m not a product reviewer or a representative of any company, nor an expert. I’m a one-man-show in his garage sharing some tips I have learned with fellow woodworking enthusiasts. Thanks! 🙂
I went with the Bosch 1617 evs (variable speed is critical for setting different size diameter router bit cutters) and opted to simply buy the Bosch RA1129 and the POWERTEC 71051. Bosch is a top tier brand but sometimes they cut corners. As you can see with their template guide, the metal is very thin, and reviewers elsewhere said they broke easily. But the adapter for PC bushings is fairly robust, and the POWERTEC kit was affordable. Part of their proprietary impetus is to encourage people to upgrade old machines to newer to accommodate new accessories. So unless it says explicitly it works backward compatible (like the 1619 plunge router for example) assume it doesnt.
Thanks for watching! You are right! Thanks for pointing that out. 👍👍 I thought I did have that locked as at time mark 3:03. But shortly after that, at time mark 3:33 I see it was unlocked. Not good. Thanks!
@@GaryLundgrenCrafts You need to put the cone on the outside, below the base plate, so that it is 'pushing' the plastic plate down tight against the base. Also, this gives way more room and does not require the router to be removed from the base to get the cone out. The way you had it, the cone is (could) prevent the plastic plate from seating tight against the base.
Thanks. That makes sense. I did it as I've so many others do it, and how I learned. But, there's other ways I'm sure, and yours may be a better way. I'll try that out. Thanks!
Thank you. Some love them, some hate them. I like them because it's a classic look. Never had a problem with them. Why do you say you hate them? Thanks.
@@K31swiss That makes sense! Those wooden handles don't give much grip like molded plastic, textured, or rubbery ones. I have problems with dry hands and can't keep a grip well. I use hand lotion but that doesn't last long in a shop. 🙁 Thanks! 🙂
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Thank you for this video. You answered every question I had about his adapter, whereas the Bosch website offered so little information, I have to conclude that they don't care if they sell any of these! Thanks again.
Thank you! Glad it helped!
Thank you for the instructional video. This totally beats the need to read the manual... LOL.
Thank you!
Thanks for this. Was like having the world's best shop teacher at the ready.
Thank you!
Great video, and timely! I just bought a Bosch 1617 to work with the Rockler dovetail jig and trying to figure out how to mount the guide. I now know, thanks to you.
Thanks for watching! Glad it helped. 👍
Thank you gary for doing this video. It helped me set up my quick change adapter that came from Bosch with no instructions. I guessed it right but the centering was something I did not do first. Likely saved me from screwing up some material.
Thanks for watching! Glad it helped. 👍
Best tutorial I've found on Bosch router guides. Thank you!
Thank you!
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I'm a 70 year old woman trying to figure out my router while trying to use a template to install my SOSS hinges. I was lost! You totally explained it so I know how to handle it! Thank you!!!
Thank you! Glad it helped. I'm a 70 yr old guy. I know how things can be difficult at times. 😁👍
Got it down to a science. Goodness! Thanks for sharing your knowledge
Thank you!
Many thanks, Gary! I have developed my wood shop over the last couple of years and have reached the point where I need to make some drawers for a rolling cart in the shop. I planned to use dovetail joints, purchased a Porter-Cable Dovetail Jig, and other items, only to find I needed a means to attach the guides to my Bosch router. This video is a perfect instructional aid on the items I need and the mean to install them. Thank you!
Thank you! Glad it helped. 👍
Perfect and thorough demonstration. Gonna order that kit for mine today.
Thanks for watching! Glad it helped. 👍
Thank you for the information. Perfect! I’m getting real close to using my Bosch router for sign making. I didn’t know I needed this kit, will get one tomorrow.
Thanks for watching! Glas it helped. 👍
Gary. Thank you much for the video and explanation. Just received my kit... Didn't know my a*s from my elbow....
Thank you! I'm sure you'll master it quickly. Practice on some scraps to get the feel and technique.
Super helpful as I'm new to routers, thanks a million.... Also love the red green reference! Cheers.
Thank you!
Great video! Thanks for posting!
Your video explained exactly what I needed to know before purchasing some of these accessories. Thanks!
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Great video. Thank you!!!
Excellent Gary. Very clear as to how to set up this system. Thank you !
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perfect video. great pace. to the point. no extra crud. Thank you
Thanks for watching! Glad it helped. 👍
Thanks for doing this. It was very helpful. Just what I needed.
Best video on the subject, I have subscribed to your channel thanks...
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Well done! As a newbie, your video was very informative.
Awesome guide on how to use guides! Thank you!
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Thanks Gary! Your demonstration was exactly what I needed.
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Good video, clear and simple
Thanks for watching and the compliments! 👍👍
Thanks...was not able to locate instructions on the Bosch website. Your video made it all crystal clear.
Thanks Gary for the great video ! Ijust bought this template guide and Idid subscribed
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Really good demo. Easy to follow.
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Thank you Gary for the video. I had no idea how the Bosch template guide was installed. I have always been familiar with the Porter Cable style template guide. The Bosch system seems to be a big improvement. Thanks again!
Thank you!
This is a great video! I have come back to it a few times to see how to install the bushings since mine did not come with instructions! Thanks
Thank you! Glad it helped!
IMHO I would center the baseplate after you installed the guide bushing. This would negate any deviations in manufacturing defects regardless of how minimal they might be. I realize the centering cone couldn't be used on the smaller of the bushings but may on the larger ones. A smaller one would be needed. Which I believe they are available. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for watching! Thanks for the tips! It is great when we can share that with others. 👍
Thanks for the complete instructions
Thank you! Glad it helped! 👍
You just convinced me to get the Bosch 1617 over the Dewalt. Thanks man!
Thank you! Glad to have been able to help in your decision. 🙂
Great video. Exactly what I needed to use my router with guides and template.
Thank you!
Thanks. This helped me see how these attachments work I’m more comfortable now with my choice O.D. the Bosch router
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Very good explanation
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Thank you! The video made it easy follow step by step. You saved me a lot of time!
Thanks! Glad to be helpful.
Very good basic information , video quality is also superb. Thanks for posting precious vodeo.
Thanks and welcome!
Hi Gary... Just getting into this and needed to know exactly how to set this up... I learned about the bushing adapter on the fly from another video but did't know about the Quick change adapter part of it until I started delving into learning to use my new PC 4216 ... I want to thank you very much for your time passing on this info... A couple of questions that came to mind were answered on the two previous comments... Your responses to those comments helped further clarify quite nicely... Thanks again..........
Thank you!
EXCELLENT demonstration, and explanation. I've been using the centering cone on the wrong side of the base all this time.
I just found this vid/channel, and hope you have more good info on tools (especially for the 1617) in your channel. Subscribing, and going to dig now.
Thank you!
You can use the cone either direction and achieve the same result. I personally prefer to use it the other way. Reason being is it "sandwiches" the base so it's less like to move. Important thing is that you leave the cone in one position and don't remove it a bunch.
@@donkeydiehard879 Thank you! Thanks for your comment. Excellent point. I have seen it proposed both ways for different reasons. I bought two of the cones to use it positioned each way. I use it differently for different applications and uses. For me in production set ups I didn't want to be changing it a lot as the cone is plastic and can cause wear over time each time you change it. Thanks for the tip! 👍
There’s no manual for the cone, however you can find it’s section in the manual for your router!
@@GaryLundgrenCrafts yeah, I had the same idea with 2 cones lol.
I just had to make a router table insert plate, as my old router table top had an oddball size (11-⅜ × 16-½). So I bought a ¼" sheet of aluminum and routed my own insert plate... with my 1 functioning arm... talk about a nightmare!!! Lol.
When I got to the insert ring in the insert plate, I was able to sandwich my router, centered, and route out a ⅛" deep, 4" wide lip, and then my 3" wide through opening.
Only having 1 arm made it nerve racking as I had tolerances that couldn't be off in any way. In the end, it's not perfect, but it is functional, and centered perfectly.
Without the centering cone, it'd have been way tougher and way worse in appearance lol.
Thanks, Gary. Good video. This is exactly what I was looking for. TGFY
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Excellent video. Exactly what I needed!!
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Very clear and useful instructions explaining how to center and mount the bushing guide. Thanks for uploading - excellent video.
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Thanks a lot. Just got the adapter and PC insert today so perfect 👍
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Nice concise video. Great presentation !
Thanks for watching!
Thanks, I'm fairly new to routers. Didn't know a bushing from a template. Now I do. Well explained.
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great video and I was able to figure out how to remove the motor from the fixed base as it was hard to get it separated from the case
Thanks! Glad it helped
Great information and tutorial! Thank you.
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Thank you for posting this. I was able to set-up--center and install--my template guide to my Bosch palm router. I have the template guide that you installed at the end of the video (brass template).
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@@GaryLundgrenCrafts Quick Question: Gary, I noticed that an inlay kit comes with a bushing that is added and then removed on a template guide for cutting patterns. Can you explain why that is? thanks.
Thank you for posting this.
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Very well done and informative.
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Thanks, super helpful!
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Nice video, very helpful!
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Merci beaucoup pour l’info ça va m’aider 👏👏👏👏
Merci! Heureux que cela ait aidé.
Thanks Gary!!
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Great video Gary. I bought the Bosch 1617 combo kit back last October and ended up putting the 1617 in my Woodpecker router table and wanna leave it there so now I have the plunge base and no router so I bought another 1617 router w/o the plunge base and will use it for that. So I was needing to get some guide bushings and came across the Bosch set and saw ur video on it so I went ahead and ordered a set. Thanks 👍
Thank you! Glad it helped you.
Great job Gary. Nice video.
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Thanks Gary! God Bless
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very helpful and easy to follow.
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Good information.
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Thanks for sharing Gary!
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Great demo. Never used a bushing in a router before and had to make a new base plate to use porter cable bushings. With all the videos out there, it works great. I used a 1/2 inch drill bit for a centering pin.
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Great video, I don't belive I could have figured this out and Bosch does not provide a manual
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Putting the motor back in Router base, I am in a fight now can no longer slide or glide it back on/in.. I see the little nipple I have to work with for groove entry.. but it’s just tough and almost feels like the motor expanded.. I hope you can comprehend, thanks
Great review. Thanks!!!!!
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Thanks very much man, I was looking at this set on Amazon and was curious as to how it mounted, very good walk through, one question, could that quick connect stay installed when you're not using the guides?
Yes it could but depending on what you route on a daily basis it will gum up bad and not work easily.
I've got this set. And came here to see if the Porter cable ones worked glad to see it does lol
Nice presentation. Kudos to you.
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Thank you for excellent informative video. I just purchased the 1617 then I bought the Bosch RA1129 Template Guide Adapter Set from Amazon for $7.75 for the Porter Cable Bushings that I have. Is it ok to leave the quick change part in the router when not using the bushings? Just subscribed to your channel.
Thank you! I guess you can leave that in so long as it provides clearance for any bit you are using. I take mine out as I use my router for a variety of purposes.
Bosch Model 1617EVS: A Variable-Speed 2 H.P. Regular Router at a lot of Low Speed: 9,975 RPM with a Porter-Cable 7" Circular and 1-1/8" Regular Hole Sub Base: Model 9697 with 4 Slot-Headed Router Screws, a 5/8" collar, and a 3/8" dovetail bit
That can only be used by hand.
But there are other routers too.
Porter-Cable Speedmatic Model 7538: An Early 2000's version of a 1-Speed 3 H.P. Plunge Router at plenty of High Speed: 22,975 RPM with a Bosch Router Sub Base with 4 Phillips-Headed Router Screws, a 3/8" Straight Cutting Bit with a 1/2" shank, & a Porter-Cable Micro-Adjustable Router Guiding Fence: Model 42699
Porter-Cable Power Tools Since 1906 Speedmatic Model 7537: An Early 1990's Version of a 1-Speed 2-1/2 H.P. Regular Router at a lot of High Speed: 22,975 RPM with both Black Grip Handles, a 1/2" collar, & a 1/4" dovetail bit
Porter-Cable Speedmatic Model 7536: An Early 2000's version of a 1-Speed 2-1/2 H.P. D-Handle Router at plenty of High Speed: 22,975 RPM with both a 3/8" collar, & a 5/16" dovetail bit
Rockwell Porter-Cable Speedtronic Model 518: A Variable-Speed 3 H.P. Regular Router, mounted in a Store-Bought Router Shaper Table: Rockwell Porter-Cable Model 646 with Whiteside Machinery 1/2" shank Edge Forming Router Bits, Bull Nose Bits at a lot of Medium Speed: 15,975 RPM, Window Sash Bits at a lot of High Speed: 21,975 RPM, Stile and Rail Bits at a lot of Medium Speed: 15,975 RPM, and Panel Raising Bits at a lot of Low Speed: 9,975 RPM
Porter-Cable Power Tools Since 1906 Speedmatic Model 7519: An Early 1990's Version of a 1-Speed 3 H.P. Regular Router with both Black Grip Handles, a 3/4" collar, & a 1/2" dovetail bit with a 1/2" shank
Thanks! That's a lot of detail! Thanks for giving us that. 👍
FYI, the four countersunk holes on the base plate directly adjacent to the four screws at 3:36 can be used with the flathead screws that come with the router to center the baseplate to the axis of the collet. At least that's what I've learned...I haven't checked to see how perfect it is yet.
Thanks for sharing that tip! 👍
@@GaryLundgrenCrafts FYI, today I checked and the flathead screws and countersunk holes don’t perfectly center the baseplate. Best to stick with the cone.
Thanks for the update! 👍
The cone should be mounted the other way , the way you did it you could misalign again when tightening the screws (unless you know how much you have unscrewed each screw which is almost impossible). Pushing the cone against the base eliminates that :) Thank you .
Thanks for the tip!
Thank you! I believe you are right, especially for plunge bases. The base in this video I used was a fixed base. I think it can be centered either way for a fixed base. But as you say, from the top for plunge bases would be best. Thanks!
@@GaryLundgrenCrafts @3:50 you have the base locking lever in the unlocked position, I don't know about these things so I gather it doesn't make the adjustment inaccurate? My worry is that when clamping the base to the motor it can change the center position slightly?
I have this router. Mine has the adapter plate always mounted on. I just got the piece so i can use the bosch or harbor freight bushing kit 15$. I have centering tool too. I didnt need to center my base as it was close enough. I used a .50 bit in the .530 ID bushing. It didn't rub hand turning but did hit the brass at motor start up but then doesn't. The OD of this brass bushing is .625". It fits very nice and tight in the adapter bushing. Did I do something wrong? I am disappointed the Harbor Freight bushings have different lengths throats so your templates cannot all be 1/4 inch or something. I've made templates using the outside of my router base but never tried a router guide I guess I need to watch more TH-cam videos . thanks Gary. I will go watch that one you recommended
Thank you. Sometimes off brands can have less tolerance. I've learned over the years to stick with the brand for best performance. Sometimes you can get away with the off brands. Thanks!
You can make this centering tool on your wood lathe .
Good video Gary, saved me a lot of frustration trying to figure it out. I have a Bosch 1617EVS just like yours. I still have a problem though. With the adapter in place on the router and using a 1/2" shank dovetail bit along with bushing guides that came with my Porter Cable dovetail jig, the router bit will not extend far enough from the bottom of the router. The 1/2" collet hits the bushing guide preventing it from extending the depth I need. Is the fix simply to buy a longer shank 1/2" bit?
Thank you! Yes, I would imagine you'll need a bit with a longer shank. Keep us posted on what you find! 👍
Gary... Thanks for your reply on my last comment. I have another question... Once the bushing adapter is installed, can it be left in place even when NOT using the bushing guides.. You know.. for applications when the guides aren't being used.. ??
Thanks! I would recommend not leaving the guide bushing in place when there's no need for it. It does create a an edge that can cause your bits to not perform as they should. If you want to leave that in place I would suggest using an extra router for other work. I have three. Regular size such as this Bosch. A DeWalt compact, and a palm router. My Bosch stays in the table. I use the others for any handheld work with 1/4" shank bits. 🙂
Bruce Walters ... If you are asking about ability to leave the quick-change adapter in place while doing router work that does not require guide bushings, yes, you can do that. It's on the router side of the base plate, away from the work.
Is there no need to align the quick release to the router collet as you did with the base? Hope that makes sense of what I am asking....thx
Thank you! That would be a good idea to check that. Mine is dead on, but tolerances from one kit to another may change slightly. Thanks for the suggestion!
@@GaryLundgrenCrafts ok....thank you sir
Hi, are these guides compatible with the Bosch Router GKS 550 professional?
Thanks for watching! It should fit with the appropriate base plate. But you may ask at the link in the video description amzn.to/2Hk2m80. A Bosch rep may reply.
As a newbie to the router tool, I still can’t figure out what the heck you use a bushing guild for? Watched two videos that talk about them but fail to show what their for. Lol
Thank you!
I guess I thought most woodworkers who use a router knew about guide bushings and their use. This video is to help some who struggle with setting them up. I can be a bit tricky. I didn’t cover the basics as there are thousands of excellent videos out there on that subject. I did a quick search for “router bit guide bushings” and came up with this one.
Matt Cremona has an excellent video on this at th-cam.com/video/pnqP3qVjCLY/w-d-xo.html
Rockler also has very quick one at th-cam.com/video/JvCvYeRCtYA/w-d-xo.html
I hope that helps. Thanks!
Will this also fit on the plung base for that bosch router? Or only on the fixed base?
Thank you! Yes it does. I mention that in a comment on the screen at time mark 1:30. Thanks!
Thanks for your help. Is it compatible with Bosch TE 600 Box?
Thank you! I don't know if it is compatible with the Bosch TE 600. I would suggest to contact Bosch or the seller to find out. Thanks!
I find this in Amazon.USA: "The template guide set works with many Bosch routers, including the 1613Aevs, 1617-, 1618-, 1619- and mr23-series routers, as well as the plunge bases for Bosch palm routers." So, it is compatible.
I was disappointed to see how sloppy the Porter Cable bushing guide fitted to the Bosch adaptor @9:00 You went to the trouble of centring the base plate, but the poor fit of the Bosch RA1100 adaptor appeared to reintroduce a good 0.5mm of possible offset. I'd find it difficult to live with that. It is also disappointing that it looks like the only way to get the RA1100 adaptor is to buy the Bosch RA1128 Template Guide kit. If you intend using screw on Porter Cable guide bushings, then the rest of the Bosch Template kit is redundant.
Thanks! Thanks for the tip. I checked mine and don't have any play at all. Sometimes in manufacturing tolerance get off and they have to re-tweak the machinery. Thanks for letting us know that issue!
Gary, I regret that you are using the cone wrongly. It should be inserted from outside the base-plate so that the base is forced against the router and held in position firmly while you tighten the screws. This ensures perfect centering.
Than you! Excellent point! It can be used two ways and I've done both. I bought an extra to avoid wear on the assembly when switching around. Sometimes one way is better than the other, and vice versa. Thanks for the tip!
Correct, but should be done after the bushing is installed to take away any slop.
Gary: excellent instruction. My specific issue with the RA adapter to utilize the PC bushing guide for 1/2” dovetail bit. With the bushing mounted in a bosch 23EV series, the dovetail bit that came with the PC jig, is too short and doesnt reach the height gauge. Adjusting the bit in the collet for proper length, only half of the bit shank is seated. Makes no sense to me. If on the other hand i use the bushing that is in the bosch kit, its 1” long?? Any help from those watching or Gary mightbprovided some guidance -
Thank you! I'll have to give some thought to that and get back to it. 👍
@@GaryLundgrenCrafts At what height below the jig, does one set the adj pad for through dovetail / pins and tails for 1/2" & 3/4" thk. Blind is 3/8". thanks to Gary and or the community
on Amazon found the tool "Incra T-RULE06 6-Inch Precision Marking T-Rule "
Thanks! Yes, I have one of those. Great.
Do all of the bushings stick out the same distance past the base plate? Do you know about how far that is? I have a different base plate with a different style of quick change cushion, but they are not all the same, and some of them stick out too far for using a quarter inch thick template. Probably should have just bought this the first time instead of wasting my time with that other set that doesn’t fit back in the case anyway…
Thank you! The bushings can stick out various depths. Depends on your needs and thickness of the template or other guides you may be using. You need to buy them based on your need.
@@GaryLundgrenCrafts my rockler sign making bushing doesn’t sit flush inside of that adapter. It sits about 1/16 above the base plate. And I have to tighten it a few times so it isn’t angled a bit to one side. I don’t want to have to modify either, but I don’t know which one is causing the issue. I think I’m going to pickup that clear sub base so I can use it without an adapter and so I can see my letters I’m routing.
@@WiLL02724 Thanks for letting us know! You may want to try contacting Bosch about that. 👍
@@WiLL02724 have you seen the Milescraft kit ? You may be able to buy the clear base and just a few other pieces without buying the whole kit
@@andre1987eph I found the issue to be the bushings. 2 out of my 3 kits use the same size bushing. The third sits nice and flush. I have bought the Jasper Tools clear sub base so I’m going to give that a try as well.
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Thank you!
Thank you Gary for making this video and for answering viewers' questions.
1) I've a Bosch 1604 router (1/4" collet) which has a base plate (Bosch Part Number 3600190500; discontinued, www.ereplacementparts.com/base-plate-p-49557.html) which makes me question: Is there the need for the Bosch RE1151 Centering Pin?
2) The 1604's base plate also makes me wonder: Would the template guide set (RA1128) and adapter (RA1129) work?
3) At about 9:00, you introduce standard Porter Cable bushing guides, but didn't include a link to them in the listed links, perhaps intentionally as I'm only now contemplating the purchase of the Porter Cable 12" dovetail jig 4216, and maybe these bushings are otherwise called by another part name (?).
4) With all of these added costs in getting my old Bosch router to work with the Porter Cable dovetail jig (4216), and uncertainty in success, I'm also wondering: Would it be prudent to buy a new router that's better suited to work with the PC 4216 dovetail jig; and if so, could you please suggest your top picks?
Thank you!
@@GaryLundgrenCrafts You're welcome. Did you read the 4 questions below the first line?
1 - I am not familiar with the Bosch 1604 router and how these parts would fit that. I am only familiar with the Bosch 1618 and that is the one I spoke of in this video.
2 - As I mentioned above I am only familiar with the Bosch 1618.
3- There are many sources for these standard Porter Cable bushing guides and the prices vary. So I left that to people’s own choices.
4 - My only experience is with the Bosch 1618, DeWalt 611 (compact), and a trim router. I believe any of the brand names such as DeWalt, Porter*Cable, Bosch, etc. would be good. For a dovetail jig I would recommend using a router that will accept ½” shank bits and use those for better stability.
Basically I’m not a product reviewer or a representative of any company, nor an expert. I’m a one-man-show in his garage sharing some tips I have learned with fellow woodworking enthusiasts. Thanks! 🙂
@@GaryLundgrenCrafts Thank you for your reply Gary.
I went with the Bosch 1617 evs (variable speed is critical for setting different size diameter router bit cutters) and opted to simply buy the Bosch RA1129 and the POWERTEC 71051. Bosch is a top tier brand but sometimes they cut corners. As you can see with their template guide, the metal is very thin, and reviewers elsewhere said they broke easily. But the adapter for PC bushings is fairly robust, and the POWERTEC kit was affordable. Part of their proprietary impetus is to encourage people to upgrade old machines to newer to accommodate new accessories. So unless it says explicitly it works backward compatible (like the 1619 plunge router for example) assume it doesnt.
Inaccurate procedure. The motor was not locked (clamped) in the base. When locked (clamped) for use the centering will change.
Thanks for watching! You are right! Thanks for pointing that out. 👍👍 I thought I did have that locked as at time mark 3:03. But shortly after that, at time mark 3:33 I see it was unlocked. Not good. Thanks!
FYI Porter Cable no longer makes Routers!😩🛫
Thanks for watching! Bummer they quit making routers. Thanks for the heads up! 👍
You are using the centering guide wrong.
Thank you. What do you suggest is the correct way?
@@GaryLundgrenCrafts You need to put the cone on the outside, below the base plate, so that it is 'pushing' the plastic plate down tight against the base. Also, this gives way more room and does not require the router to be removed from the base to get the cone out. The way you had it, the cone is (could) prevent the plastic plate from seating tight against the base.
Thanks. That makes sense. I did it as I've so many others do it, and how I learned. But, there's other ways I'm sure, and yours may be a better way. I'll try that out. Thanks!
Bosch to expensive
Thank you. They are pricey. But they are good.
I hate those wooden handles.
Thank you. Some love them, some hate them. I like them because it's a classic look. Never had a problem with them. Why do you say you hate them? Thanks.
Gary Lundgren Crafts They just seem hard to grip to me, especially with arthritis getting in my hands.
@@K31swiss That makes sense! Those wooden handles don't give much grip like molded plastic, textured, or rubbery ones. I have problems with dry hands and can't keep a grip well. I use hand lotion but that doesn't last long in a shop. 🙁 Thanks! 🙂
Bobcat Sterling I love the wood handles!
Very helpful, thanks.
Thanks! Glad it was helpful!
Thank you!
Thanks for watching!
Thank you!
Thanks! You're welcome!