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Sound advice. A lot of people want shortcuts for mastery of a craft however there are none. They want to be Schepps without understanding or going through the rigorous process that he went through. The key to his abilities is his years of experience, trial and error arriving at knowledge.
Thanks for bringing up a point I often think about. I'm about 2 years into home recording my home situation is that of needing to do everything on headphones. Everyone I know listens to music with earbuds so my thought has been to make it sound good on headphones as a priority. I also think if I'm listening to a reference track on headphones I can still try and get it close to professional. Key word is try lol
Best to use open back headphones for mixing so you don't get bass buildup. I use Sennheiser HD650's (very flat frequency response). Has helped to translate my mixes across many speaker systems.
I think nowadays you have to give some serious consideration to how a mix sounds on headphones because (depending on the genre) its listened to on headphones even more than speakers. The same mix can sound completely different on both, not just because of the frequency response but just because of the nature of how its heard.
Look up Glenn Schick. He's a mastering engineer who's worked with Justin Bieber, 2 chains, etc, and he masters exclusively on Audeze LCD-5's. No monitors at all. He sold his $200,000 mastering studio because he was getting the same results on his audeze's. Also, he's 100% ITB.
Maybe someone will find my tips helpful. I use my Beyerdynamic DT150 with Sonarworks frequency correction software, it makes them flat. Also I use Waves Abbey Road 3 studio monitors emulation plugin. It helps with lows a lot. And I use my cheap monitors in an untreated room. So going back and forth helps to achieve decent results even with a very modest setup. And of course practice, practice, practice. Learn how your equipment sounds. Just find free multitracks in different genres and mix as fast as you can.
In my opinion, the main headphones' weakness is twisted stereo image caused by L/R channel isolation. And it's much harder to fix than uneven frequency response. Simple stereo width adjustment can't fix this issue. There are some plugins like Dsoniq Realphones, which allow to get more realistic stereo image, but they still can't provide the feeling of listening to the speakers.
Slate VSX. Nobody ever mentkons them. They sre not regulsr headphones, they come with 3D room emulstion and they've taken expensive microphones to these rooms with actual speakers and recorded the response and curve of very expensive real speakers and you can switch between all the rooms and speakers at any time, there are also headphone emulations and you can switch between those as well - including Sennhesier and Audeze It sits right betweem having headphones and speakers.
I had to move from a great room, to a terrible one, my current room vis very cramped and not treated, I have no freedom to put up acoustic treatment and can't move anything My desk is essentially in a corner on a jerker desk and the speakers are right in front of the wall, I'm thinking about selling the speakers and getting better headphones, any thoughts?
Awesome, lots of info. Big question for me. Am I able to get studio level quality, MASTERING level quality, release level quality with headphones? Like if I have these Tascam TH-200X, which IS what I use, how do I know if what I have is enough? Meaning, not just frequency response, but accuracy to the point where I can trust them to be like, ok, this is ready to get released? I'm not talking about mixing process, purely the trustworthiness of the headphones where I CAN master and know I get something good. I know you said mastering is less with headphones, but I'd rather not do AI mastering, nor pay someone. HOWEVER, I am open to that if headphones are just not going to do it. Space is limited over here in my home studio.
Very interesting. I went for a pair of Beyerdynamic DT-1990s. That's coming through a soundcraft 12mtk. I find this to be a good setup, allowing me to get great results. I would like to go to monitors. It's the cost of room preparation and treatment which is expensive.
Thanks for the video. In my experience if I get it to sound good on monitors it always sounds good in headphones..but definitely not the other way around. I'll make some straight up weird choices if I make big decisions in phones.
Why would you say that Headphones can’t be more accurate than speakers when headphones with eq correction can be way closer to flat than speakers with room modes and acoustical nightmares?!
Yes, but how do you eq your cans. I found all presets from apps like sonarworks id dont sound right. I used monitor speaker as a reference for mids/treble. Do you measure your cans with something like minidsp ears?
@@sebastianhanzlik4644 I use Sonarworks for EQ correction and it sounds very neutral to me. I’m using Audeze LCD-X 2021 headphones which respond well to EQ correction, so the level of headphone you have matters, but after Sonarworks I use CanOpener by GoodHertz to give me cross feed which is very neutral and more so just gives the mono bass that speakers give in a room but without all the acoustic craziness.
Headphones cause me to cut off high frequencies too much, the sounds ends up dull and dead and they might damage your hearing. Mid-range speakers however, feels easier and cleaner for me to mix all ranges.
People will use terms like 'GAME CHANGING' and all that hype. Well...they are right lol. I was super skeptical..so I bought them about 2 weeks ago and wow, my room has been lying to me with my KRK Rokit's. Yeah, pretty much, I will mix with them now on. Sometimes go back and forth on my monitors but it's crazy because it translates REALLY well. You just have to try it yourself to see or hear in this case. VSX is WELL worth it, especially if you mix a lot yourself. The Archon room is my favorite and just the HD-Linear(Which comes with your VSX) are the best. I swear on two Slate products. Slate VSX and it's plugin- M-OTT plugin.
I don't think this is acurate to have the perception of flat requires changes in the frequency response headphones are not meant to have a flat line that's not how we perceive sound that's why there are drastic dips and lifts in the graph look at the audeze graph and a Fletcher-Munson curve graph and tell me there's 8db of variations
Now it's gonna be the capacity to make Dolby Atmos mixes and masters that will make the difference and this will ask for an even more "perfect" setup than when making a stereo mix.
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Sound advice. A lot of people want shortcuts for mastery of a craft however there are none. They want to be Schepps without understanding or going through the rigorous process that he went through. The key to his abilities is his years of experience, trial and error arriving at knowledge.
Thanks for bringing up a point I often think about. I'm about 2 years into home recording my home situation is that of needing to do everything on headphones. Everyone I know listens to music with earbuds so my thought has been to make it sound good on headphones as a priority. I also think if I'm listening to a reference track on headphones I can still try and get it close to professional. Key word is try lol
Best to use open back headphones for mixing so you don't get bass buildup. I use Sennheiser HD650's (very flat frequency response). Has helped to translate my mixes across many speaker systems.
That is very true. I had the 600s and they definitely were like that.
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Great tips. Funny how you didn't mention Slate VSX though, which are literally on your thumbnail, and they kind of bridge headphones and speakers.
I think nowadays you have to give some serious consideration to how a mix sounds on headphones because (depending on the genre) its listened to on headphones even more than speakers. The same mix can sound completely different on both, not just because of the frequency response but just because of the nature of how its heard.
I use Audeze LCD-X with Goodhertz CanOpener Studio for the crosstalk simulation.
Look up Glenn Schick. He's a mastering engineer who's worked with Justin Bieber, 2 chains, etc, and he masters exclusively on Audeze LCD-5's. No monitors at all. He sold his $200,000 mastering studio because he was getting the same results on his audeze's. Also, he's 100% ITB.
Maybe someone will find my tips helpful. I use my Beyerdynamic DT150 with Sonarworks frequency correction software, it makes them flat. Also I use Waves Abbey Road 3 studio monitors emulation plugin. It helps with lows a lot. And I use my cheap monitors in an untreated room. So going back and forth helps to achieve decent results even with a very modest setup. And of course practice, practice, practice. Learn how your equipment sounds. Just find free multitracks in different genres and mix as fast as you can.
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In my opinion, the main headphones' weakness is twisted stereo image caused by L/R channel isolation. And it's much harder to fix than uneven frequency response. Simple stereo width adjustment can't fix this issue. There are some plugins like Dsoniq Realphones, which allow to get more realistic stereo image, but they still can't provide the feeling of listening to the speakers.
Have you tried Slate VSX? Whatever magic they are using seems to deal with this very well!
Slate VSX. Nobody ever mentkons them. They sre not regulsr headphones, they come with 3D room emulstion and they've taken expensive microphones to these rooms with actual speakers and recorded the response and curve of very expensive real speakers and you can switch between all the rooms and speakers at any time, there are also headphone emulations and you can switch between those as well - including Sennhesier and Audeze
It sits right betweem having headphones and speakers.
Love ur videos! They help me with my music a lot!
I had to move from a great room, to a terrible one, my current room vis very cramped and not treated, I have no freedom to put up acoustic treatment and can't move anything My desk is essentially in a corner on a jerker desk and the speakers are right in front of the wall, I'm thinking about selling the speakers and getting better headphones, any thoughts?
how can you get pro level results with only just headphones? any techniques?
Awesome, lots of info. Big question for me. Am I able to get studio level quality, MASTERING level quality, release level quality with headphones? Like if I have these Tascam TH-200X, which IS what I use, how do I know if what I have is enough? Meaning, not just frequency response, but accuracy to the point where I can trust them to be like, ok, this is ready to get released?
I'm not talking about mixing process, purely the trustworthiness of the headphones where I CAN master and know I get something good. I know you said mastering is less with headphones, but I'd rather not do AI mastering, nor pay someone. HOWEVER, I am open to that if headphones are just not going to do it. Space is limited over here in my home studio.
Very interesting. I went for a pair of Beyerdynamic DT-1990s. That's coming through a soundcraft 12mtk. I find this to be a good setup, allowing me to get great results. I would like to go to monitors. It's the cost of room preparation and treatment which is expensive.
Great video. I think you have to remember that headphones present a binaural experience whereas stereo is usually achieved via speakers.
Great video. Headphones make the most sense for me right now. 18:00.
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Slate VSX has answered this question. If you want to work on headphones, I would highly recommend them!
Thanks for the video. In my experience if I get it to sound good on monitors it always sounds good in headphones..but definitely not the other way around. I'll make some straight up weird choices if I make big decisions in phones.
Mike Dean mixed Utopia on VSX... number 1 album in a hotel room...
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Why would you say that Headphones can’t be more accurate than speakers when headphones with eq correction can be way closer to flat than speakers with room modes and acoustical nightmares?!
Yes, but how do you eq your cans. I found all presets from apps like sonarworks id dont sound right. I used monitor speaker as a reference for mids/treble. Do you measure your cans with something like minidsp ears?
@@sebastianhanzlik4644 I use Sonarworks for EQ correction and it sounds very neutral to me. I’m using Audeze LCD-X 2021 headphones which respond well to EQ correction, so the level of headphone you have matters, but after Sonarworks I use CanOpener by GoodHertz to give me cross feed which is very neutral and more so just gives the mono bass that speakers give in a room but without all the acoustic craziness.
im never in a treated room so I just mix with the sennheiser hd650s, but my mix usually always sound like there's a lid on it not enough highs.
Bec the 650's have a top end extension and their not as flat as people think, I think that the r70x have a more neutral sound profile.
Place an eq on the monitor bus and cut about 3db using an hi shelf. That should force you to brighten up the high end in the mix
Dutch and Dutch 8c are used as B-Moniters and Live room Playback for a Few Grammy Winning Engineers I know. ATC SCM25A are there A-moniters.
Headphones cause me to cut off high frequencies too much, the sounds ends up dull and dead and they might damage your hearing. Mid-range speakers however, feels easier and cleaner for me to mix all ranges.
People will use terms like 'GAME CHANGING' and all that hype.
Well...they are right lol. I was super skeptical..so I bought them about 2 weeks ago and wow, my room has been lying to me with my KRK Rokit's.
Yeah, pretty much, I will mix with them now on. Sometimes go back and forth on my monitors but it's crazy because it translates REALLY well.
You just have to try it yourself to see or hear in this case.
VSX is WELL worth it, especially if you mix a lot yourself. The Archon room is my favorite and just the HD-Linear(Which comes with your VSX) are the best.
I swear on two Slate products. Slate VSX and it's plugin- M-OTT plugin.
Hey there you are again posting a comment about VSX lol. That's 4 now. Slate must have paid you
I mix using Sony mdr 1a + Yamaha hs7...in my 9 square meters untreated bedroom...can you relate?:)))
I mix and master from my laptop speakers, and you can do it too
Man, that's a lot. thanks very much for this.
I don't think this is acurate to have the perception of flat requires changes in the frequency response headphones are not meant to have a flat line that's not how we perceive sound that's why there are drastic dips and lifts in the graph look at the audeze graph and a Fletcher-Munson curve graph and tell me there's 8db of variations
you forgot to mention if you are working in a small room then room treatment is almost pointless
EQ profiles are also available for headphones, which can be flattened manually or using this route: th-cam.com/video/wf0h13GulBE/w-d-xo.html
I’m in the Reverse Engineer program and it’s excellent
some commercial songs have actually been mixed/mastered just on headphones. Just do the research.
He mentioned that, but he said some but not most which is a stark difference.
0:07 Audeze?
Now it's gonna be the capacity to make Dolby Atmos mixes and masters that will make the difference and this will ask for an even more "perfect" setup than when making a stereo mix.
Studio monitors
Too much yammering ABOUT the subject. Make your bloody point already.