This is, without a doubt, the most in depth video I've seen on this software. I've been considering saving up for it, and this video sealed the deal on it. I'm super excited to try it out whenever I can get it!
@@eddiebob77 I haven't saved up enough for it, but I did get a free trial of Waves's subscription service that has their version of this that works with various types of headphones instead of spending several hundred dollars on a pair of headphones. It defintely has some effect and makes some things clearer for sure. My monitors are pretty cheap so I've pretty much exclusively switched over to mixng on headphones with Waves Nx plugins
Great video. This answered all of my questions regarding - how is it installed, how do you interact with it in the DAW, how do the different rooms sound.
Thanks! The headphones themselves won't make you a better at mixing, but they will help uncover potential issues in your mix so that you can address them. I do like them myself. Cheers Georges
Awesome video! I just got mine today and I'm using them right now. I'm surprised you weren't using the Level Match Bypass button on the plugin itself as suggested by Steven Slate Audio.
Thx for the review. I've been told that a problem with mixing on headphones is getting the panning or stereo image right since the speakers are tight on your ears. With monitors the channels are not strictly isolated but with headphones they are. How does that work with the VSX?
Yes this is true with conventional headphones. My understanding is that with VSX they account for this and reproduce some "bleed" from the L and R channels, so you don't get the same isolation that you do with regular headphones. Their website describes it like so: "VSX uses a technology called binaural psychoacoustics. It presents the same auditory cues to your ears that they would typically hear in a room with real speakers." Cheers Georges
I'm intrigued, but I have a quick question. I thought the whole point of these was to do all the legwork for you regarding the room acoustics. Why is there an EQ feature (@ 8:07)? If I'm listening to the Steven Slate room, but then decide to turn on the eq and bump the low end up a bit, isn't this defeating the whole purpose of the phones and room model? I realize I could just leave the eq off...but why is the option even available in the software if the whole selling point of this is to model the sound of the rooms as they are? If I decided that my mix lacked a little something in the low end, it seems like fixing that in the mix is the solution as opposed to adjusting the room model. Still intrigued, however 😛
Yes all the Apple Loops bundled with Logic Pro are royalty free as long as they're combined with other elements (you can't just use the loop on it's own).
Thanks Georges, this is very interesting and the way you fairly presented it is appreciated. I guess I'm in the perfect situation to evaluate to purchase these headphones/system. I only need mixing and mastering my band's songs and my practices on the drums, now I 'm about to finish my first entry level audio engineer course. But I have problems in setting up a proper home studio with monitors, due to noise and room treatment so I'm currectly mixing on headphones using some Monolith M1060 but not really satisfied. My bandmates are quite wide listeners: car, hi end hi-fi systems, earbuds, headphones, etc. Do you think i should go for it?? (but don't feel you'll be blamed..)
You're welcome! It sounds like these would be a good fit for you since you don't have a set of monitors at the moment. I haven't tried the M1060, so I can't comment on those. If you're just starting out with recording and mixing, these headphones won't make you instantly a better mixer, but you'll be in a better position to hear what's actually going on with your mixes and it'll make things easier once your mixing skills improve. Cheers! Georges
maybe a dumb question........if you have 5 different mix options, how are you supposed to know which mix is best when you are ready to master and release your music?
@@nonamebonney13 your mix will sound slightly different in each room. The goal is to get your mix as balanced as possible. Making sure the main elements of your mix (vocals for example) are heard clearly across as many different rooms as possible. Hopefully that makes sense.
@@scottmoritz9169 yes you want to make sure to bypass the plugin before bouncing. There is an auto bypass option on the plugin, but I always bypass manually just in case. Cheers Georges
Allot people using for mixing but I have question … I’m a producer and mixer so can I use the headphones while producing using rooms or will that hurt my production? Just curious ur opinion
I'm using it using Logic Pro 10.8.1 but on Ventura 13.6. According to Steven Slate Audio it all works in Sonoma, but they do have this disclaimer: "Sonoma (Mac OS 14.0+) introduces a "Voice Isolation" mode for the mic input. This can cause issues with playback for VSX Systemwide. Users on Sonoma will want to make sure to turn this feature off by first launching VSX Systemwide. Then click on the orange microphone icon in the mac menu bar, and click the "VSX Systemwide" tab. Then under mic mode, make sure "Standard" is selected." Cheers Georges
You may notice slightly better playback quality using an audio interface, but no you just need a regular headphone jack to use the headphones. Cheers Georges
This is ridigilous concept. You never get used to "neutral" sound when you switch room to another or tweek settings. Listen a lot of reference tracks with monitors / headphones you have. Know you stuff rather. I use room correction of course, but i've committed to that sound.
I agree that you won’t get used to a room if you keep switching while mixing. That’s why I recommend sticking to one room and get to know it just like you would with your own room and monitors. Use the other rooms to check your mix near the end of the process the same way you would in the car or on other systems. Cheers Georges
When we do critical mixing / mastering with headphones we use Neumann Studio Headphone NDH 20s. They give about as flat frequency response-wise as is possible. When we don't use headphones, we work in an acoustically treated room with tuned mains to again, give as flat a frequency response as is possible. My point being, it makes no sense to add distortion into the mixing signal that is not going to be part of the mix (or do I not understand how these work)? To add distortion (room emulation) to what you hear and not include that in the mix is going in the wrong direction.
I get what you're saying, but I think for a lot of home recording enthusiasts in sub-optimal rooms, this is great option. I've spent a lot more money on room treatment than the cost of these headphones for example. They allow me to mix anywhere. If someone already has a treated room and monitors they like, then this is just another tool to check your mix on different systems. I'd previously never been a fan of mixing on headphones as I've never been able to get those mixes to translate to other systems. With these headphones however, I'll forget that I'm even wearing them and swear that I'm hearing the sound directly from my studio monitors.
Hey Georges, I’m starting a Song A Week challenge to help artists design their lifestyle and learn music business. I’d love to have you in the challenge, links on my channel.
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This is, without a doubt, the most in depth video I've seen on this software. I've been considering saving up for it, and this video sealed the deal on it. I'm super excited to try it out whenever I can get it!
I'm glad you found it helpful!
Cheers
Georges
Did you do it? If so what do you think?
@@eddiebob77 I haven't saved up enough for it, but I did get a free trial of Waves's subscription service that has their version of this that works with various types of headphones instead of spending several hundred dollars on a pair of headphones. It defintely has some effect and makes some things clearer for sure. My monitors are pretty cheap so I've pretty much exclusively switched over to mixng on headphones with Waves Nx plugins
Great video. This answered all of my questions regarding - how is it installed, how do you interact with it in the DAW, how do the different rooms sound.
Glad to hear it!
Cheers
Georges
Great video! Just did my first mix on these and it turned out way bass heavy, Thanks for the tips!
Thanks! Ya they do take a bit of getting used to just like any new set of monitors or an unfamiliar room. I hope they work out for you.
Cheers
Georges
Great video! I've been thinking about buying these headphones. I think they will help my mixes out a lot!
Thanks! The headphones themselves won't make you a better at mixing, but they will help uncover potential issues in your mix so that you can address them. I do like them myself.
Cheers
Georges
Awesome video! I just got mine today and I'm using them right now. I'm surprised you weren't using the Level Match Bypass button on the plugin itself as suggested by Steven Slate Audio.
Thx for the review. I've been told that a problem with mixing on headphones is getting the panning or stereo image right since the speakers are tight on your ears. With monitors the channels are not strictly isolated but with headphones they are. How does that work with the VSX?
Yes this is true with conventional headphones. My understanding is that with VSX they account for this and reproduce some "bleed" from the L and R channels, so you don't get the same isolation that you do with regular headphones. Their website describes it like so: "VSX uses a technology called binaural psychoacoustics. It presents the same auditory cues to your ears that they would typically hear in a room with real speakers."
Cheers
Georges
Very detailed and useful video. Thank you very much!
@@djodjchannel8212 you’re most welcome!
Good review and good advice, thanks!
Thanks! You're welcome!
I'm intrigued, but I have a quick question. I thought the whole point of these was to do all the legwork for you regarding the room acoustics. Why is there an EQ feature (@ 8:07)? If I'm listening to the Steven Slate room, but then decide to turn on the eq and bump the low end up a bit, isn't this defeating the whole purpose of the phones and room model? I realize I could just leave the eq off...but why is the option even available in the software if the whole selling point of this is to model the sound of the rooms as they are? If I decided that my mix lacked a little something in the low end, it seems like fixing that in the mix is the solution as opposed to adjusting the room model.
Still intrigued, however 😛
My best guess is it's there to account for each individuals hearing. Some people will hear different frequencies more than others.
Cheers
Georges
Thank you for this informative review of the VSX headphones! I just got mine and am excited to start mixing with them!
You're welcome! Let us know what you think of them!
Cheers
Georges
@@knuckledustermusic I just finished my first song using VSX, and I absolutely love them! 100% would recommend!
@@LoveandGloom glad to hear it!
Found this review helpful, I appreciate it!
You’re most welcome!
Cheers
Georges
Hey i wanna know can we use logic guitar loops in commercial song if we make
Yes all the Apple Loops bundled with Logic Pro are royalty free as long as they're combined with other elements (you can't just use the loop on it's own).
The drums on Rihanna’s “Umbrella” was a stock Logic loop.
Thanks Georges, this is very interesting and the way you fairly presented it is appreciated. I guess I'm in the perfect situation to evaluate to purchase these headphones/system. I only need mixing and mastering my band's songs and my practices on the drums, now I 'm about to finish my first entry level audio engineer course. But I have problems in setting up a proper home studio with monitors, due to noise and room treatment so I'm currectly mixing on headphones using some Monolith M1060 but not really satisfied. My bandmates are quite wide listeners: car, hi end hi-fi systems, earbuds, headphones, etc. Do you think i should go for it?? (but don't feel you'll be blamed..)
I just ordered mine last night. Can't wait to start mixing on them . Everyone says their amazing along with the emulator software
You're welcome! It sounds like these would be a good fit for you since you don't have a set of monitors at the moment. I haven't tried the M1060, so I can't comment on those. If you're just starting out with recording and mixing, these headphones won't make you instantly a better mixer, but you'll be in a better position to hear what's actually going on with your mixes and it'll make things easier once your mixing skills improve.
Cheers!
Georges
@@psonix_music Let us know what you think!
can you make a video mixing with wave plgins
I don't use a ton of Waves plugins to be honest. I mainly use Slate Digital and stock Logic Pro plugins.
maybe a dumb question........if you have 5 different mix options, how are you supposed to know which mix is best when you are ready to master and release your music?
@@nonamebonney13 your mix will sound slightly different in each room. The goal is to get your mix as balanced as possible. Making sure the main elements of your mix (vocals for example) are heard clearly across as many different rooms as possible. Hopefully that makes sense.
I was wondering do you shut the vsx plug in before rendering the project?
@@scottmoritz9169 yes you want to make sure to bypass the plugin before bouncing. There is an auto bypass option on the plugin, but I always bypass manually just in case.
Cheers
Georges
@@knuckledustermusic right on man .. thnx for the info..
@ you’re welcome!
Can I use my DT700 with this plugin ?
It won't work as intended. The plugin is designed to be paired with the VSX headphones.
Allot people using for mixing but I have question … I’m a producer and mixer so can I use the headphones while producing using rooms or will that hurt my production? Just curious ur opinion
You can definitely use them while producing. They sound great on their own without the plugin too.
@@knuckledustermusic thank you I just got the platinums today happy yes sound great
@@mokylarry1525 awesome, glad to hear it!
I have a question. Do you know if the Steven Slate Audio VSX Headphone and App are compatible to Mac OS Sonoma 14.1 and Logic Pro 10.8?
I'm using it using Logic Pro 10.8.1 but on Ventura 13.6. According to Steven Slate Audio it all works in Sonoma, but they do have this disclaimer:
"Sonoma (Mac OS 14.0+) introduces a "Voice Isolation" mode for the mic input. This can cause issues with playback for VSX Systemwide. Users on Sonoma will want to make sure to turn this feature off by first launching VSX Systemwide. Then click on the orange microphone icon in the mac menu bar, and click the "VSX Systemwide" tab. Then under mic mode, make sure "Standard" is selected."
Cheers
Georges
@@knuckledustermusic Thanks for the Info.👍🏾
@@dantethompson167 you're welcome!
Nice job
Thanks!
Thank you
You're welcome!
do i need a audio interface for these?
I doubt it. It looks like it comes with plain headphones jacks 😊
You may notice slightly better playback quality using an audio interface, but no you just need a regular headphone jack to use the headphones.
Cheers
Georges
@@psonix_music you got it!
With so many options how do you learn.
@@w4dZ0o I suggest starting with only 1 or 2 rooms. Otherwise you’ll find yourself endlessly switching rooms.
Cheers
Georges
Just mix in the car.
🤣
This is ridigilous concept. You never get used to "neutral" sound when you switch room to another or tweek settings. Listen a lot of reference tracks with monitors / headphones you have. Know you stuff rather. I use room correction of course, but i've committed to that sound.
I agree that you won’t get used to a room if you keep switching while mixing. That’s why I recommend sticking to one room and get to know it just like you would with your own room and monitors. Use the other rooms to check your mix near the end of the process the same way you would in the car or on other systems.
Cheers
Georges
When we do critical mixing / mastering with headphones we use Neumann Studio Headphone NDH 20s. They give about as flat frequency response-wise as is possible. When we don't use headphones, we work in an acoustically treated room with tuned mains to again, give as flat a frequency response as is possible. My point being, it makes no sense to add distortion into the mixing signal that is not going to be part of the mix (or do I not understand how these work)? To add distortion (room emulation) to what you hear and not include that in the mix is going in the wrong direction.
I get what you're saying, but I think for a lot of home recording enthusiasts in sub-optimal rooms, this is great option. I've spent a lot more money on room treatment than the cost of these headphones for example. They allow me to mix anywhere. If someone already has a treated room and monitors they like, then this is just another tool to check your mix on different systems. I'd previously never been a fan of mixing on headphones as I've never been able to get those mixes to translate to other systems. With these headphones however, I'll forget that I'm even wearing them and swear that I'm hearing the sound directly from my studio monitors.
Then you don’t need these. They’re not for typical headphone mixing. The headphones are just the vehicle to put you in different spaces.
Boring Kermit!
Hey Georges, I’m starting a Song A Week challenge to help artists design their lifestyle and learn music business. I’d love to have you in the challenge, links on my channel.
Cool, I'll check it out!
Amazing video man, appreciate this very much
@@luminakids you’re most welcome!