I read a great comment on the original video, from a former LEO. He said that with the Mother, their standard solution for that type of issue would be to give her a task so that she feels like shes in the know, and that shes helping. So have her write down names and numbers of everyone her daughter knows. Just anything to keep her mind occupied and let her feel like shes helping. And that wouldve been a great way to handle things and help that poor Woman through this situation.
@suzanna self-medicated before coming to the crime scene and finding out? That doesn’t seem likely. Either way, the cops didn’t know how to socialize or communicate well. They just had her out there screaming. They could’ve paid some lip service and made her feel like they were doing all they could and waiting on special investigators to come, explain the process. Those guys sucked.
@@basicallyno1722lots of people just drink all day. Not saying she did or was, but people do. There’s always a chance someone you’re dealing with is drunk as a skunk
Watching this intelligent Lawyer just speak about life has helped me a great deal...like the things he says about manning up and putting your differences aside with your ex for the sake of the child makes soo much sense! My Dad is an alcoholic who didn't really teach me a whole lot..still an amazing Dad don't get me wrong but I learn a lot about how to carry myself thru Mr. Rivers.
That’s what’s up Good for You to Me A smart enough person to learn positive habits & life rules from others . Well done. We can’t just know it all without being taught and or from experience. Stay positive and spread love Life keeps getting better everyday
😢 I'm so sorry for your loss. My sister is battling ALS. My 90 year-old father and my 85 year-old mother are still alive and healthy. The thought of losing her is already devastating for them. It is not natural, and I'm sorry you had to lose a child so very young.
@@neecie9075 He's such a good role model. There are to many toxic "influencers" that boys and young men are following. They'd all do well to learn from Bruce.
The situation with the mother would’ve seriously benefited from someone trained in de-escalation; someone who could talk to her while walking her away from the crime scene, maybe give her some answers or take the time to explain why they can’t give her details yet. That would help calm her down and let the other officers work the scene.
Exactly right. Treat the woman with a bit of humanity. If the officers had shown compassion and understanding while explaining that they wanted to investigate fully to ensure they got full answers for her then that could have helped. Instead they basically "gray rocked" her and stood there staring at her during the worst moments of her life. Good gravy!
Yeah this. Also if they didn’t try to hide the fact that her fucking kid was dead and still in the car. She immediately lost all trust and respect for them after that. Cops are so incompetent at their jobs it’s insane. Doesn’t excuse the lady from acting like a dumbass either tho. Her boyfriend/husband whatever he is also needs to grow some balls and step in when she starts acting that emotionally dumb. Almost let her get herself arrested. Let them do their jobs, this isn’t your episode of CSI, this shit takes time in real life.
I think the cop asked her if she was drunk before she found out her daughter was deceased. Then when she asked wtf was the one cop laughing about after she went into hysterics and rightfully so upon finding out her child was dead. This town seemed like the 1980s. I honestly thought this was a very old case. Small town drama and trauma for sure. My heart goes out to this lady. Honestly she was stronger than I would’ve been.
or perhaps it would help if the "female" could actually try to control herself. times are changing. We ain't got time for people that can't respond to the human language. I mean really. what are they suppose to do. give her milk and cookies and stroke her ego. she knows damn well what's going on. there is no need for all this nonsense. contaminating the crime scene and acting like a real asshole.
Turned 21 while visiting a friend in a very small town in Wyoming . Had no experience but my friend’s parents really wanted me to bartend at their little bar. It was the watering hole for guys who worked at the feed lots. These guys arrived as nice, respectful family men. A few hours later they were obnoxious drunks who wanted to play grab ass with a young bartender who could be their daughter. Quit the job, swore not to be a drinker or drugger and went on to go to college and have a successful life. Good lesson learned young!
I feel like a lot of the mothers reaction could have been prevented by just one of the officers taking her to the side, as soon as she got there, to explain to her that her daughter is deceased and how they needed to handle the crime scene in order to find out what happened. A little empathy goes a long way. Imagine finding out your kid has been in an accident and everyone who knows anything about it just stares at you in silence or ignores you. Any parent would have been freaking out in that situation.
Exactly. For me she was pretty calm. They would have had to physically pick me up out of there..they should have just told her everything they knew. And gently pulled her away. Ridiculous how they just stood there in silence staring at her while she fell apart.
@@jamess7745 you may be right, but I think basic Human compassion and empathy shouldn't need to be taught. the human race is becoming numb and devolving.
You just can’t imagine as a parent what this is like. My husband skidded on black ice into the woods, was killed and my daughter who we thought was with him was missing. She was staying overnight with friends ten minutes down the road. 19 years yesterday.
I'm sorry for your loss. I'm so thankful your daughter was with her friends. I couldn't imagine the panic. I hope you have both found some sense of peace.
It was incredibly cruel to not pull the mother aside, say “ma’am I am so sorry but your child is no longer with us.” Instead they left her there guessing, wondering what happened and then they just randomly say “she is no longer with us”. She was WAY calmer than I would have been. I would have had a stage 5 PR meltdown and be in jail for acting a complete fool. This was TERRIBLE on the LEO part.
@DonnaL-xv6tu wrong. You never know how you would react, if I didn’t know where my child was and the police wouldn’t say anything and I saw my child car. I would be acting the same way x10.
@DonnaL-xv6tuas a mother yes the f*ck I would be in hysteria screaming if I knew that my child was in a severe accident and nobody is speaking to me about what happened or telling me where my child is at, they're staring at her like she's crazy I would absolutely flip my shit.
@@キアラシャイアン To me it feels like she has fully... processed^ the implications^ She is in shock and the first thing that happens to her is people are dismissing her or ignoring her, without giving any info. So she gets confrontational. She
Not to point out the worst, but.. they also didn’t know at that point whether the mother was involved or not. They didn’t know anything. Mothers have done things, fathers have done things. So, yeah. It makes sense not to disclose information to a potential perpetrator.
@@TauposaurusI agree a hundred percent. I feel the others in the comments aren't giving her the proper credit she deserves. She just lost a child and no one is giving her any type of information. I think I would've been pissed too.
I understand controlling the crime scene and the mother being belligerent with emotion but I think she would have been a lot calmer if they took a slightly different approach. I understand they can’t share information about the investigation, etc but they could have said something like “she’s no longer with us, I’m so sorry, I can’t give you anymore answers until the investigation is complete”. But giving her the equivalent of the silent treatment is just going to make her go even harder. Let’s have some compassion for her on the worst day of her life. ❤
It was the sweet and compassionate way they dealt with Mathew that really sickened me compared to the way they treated the mother and they were also really aggressive with their questioning with the girlfriend who was being beaten herself by this monster!
It honestly looked they were taunting her to me to be honest.... they way she was screaming "is she dead or alive??" And he very calmly said " well she's not......(pause) alive!" .....the mother thought he was going to say not dead! And she collapsed and still nobody comforted her! Or said sorry for your loss 🤬
Listening to this again, it was all senseless even more so. The guy, Bobby, said that because they were drinking at his place they could all stay the night because nobody needs to be driving. The common courtesy turned into somebody getting killed, a young girl getting killed.
Heart breaks for the mother. I totally understand her feeling and freaking out. I also understand the need to keep the scene free of contamination, distraction, etc. This is just so heartbreaking.
Honestly, for having just found out her daughter was dead, murdered as she had to see the blood everywhere, and she had no idea what happened and wasn't being told anything b/c the investigation can't be jeopardized, I thought she held it together better than most. I expected her to completely freak-out, push officers aside and go inside the car. Remember how the uvalde mother who broke through the police line TWICE and was handcuffed because she was trying to get inside the school? This mother was also clear headed enough to ask about things the police actually needed to do in their investigation like running the serial number of the gun that was found in order to see who it was registered to. Actually, an officer should have taken the mom aside and explained that she would definitely be told everything and all her questions answered but this couldn't be done at the scene because doing so might end up jeopardizing holding the person responsible for what he/she did. THAT a mom would understand. I think the fact that they didn't physically remove her from the scene is probably a good indication that she wasn't freaking out nearly as much as other moms/parents have. I believe a parent freaking out would be aggressive. This mother seemed to be more assertive vs aggressive. Fuck. I think she held it together much better than I would have and I'm rarely assertive and never aggressive (except once and that's when I found out an adult had physically hurt my 8 yr old daughter (broken bones and an accusation of sex assault). I lost it. I didn't own a gun, but I tried to buy one from three places. None of the 3 managers at the 3 stores (2 pawn shops and 1 gun shop) would sell me a gun of any type. I am sure that it was obvious what my intentions were. Even now, almost 20 years later, I am still not sure I should be grateful for those 3 managers/supervisors recognizing that they shouldn't allow me to leave with any type of firearm. I still think the A-hole who hurt my daughter deserves a bullet right between his thighs. I can't even imagine if he'd have killed her.
Don’t ever do a polygraph so many variables go into this bs test, plus the guy says I believe you told a whole lot of the truth but at the same time says you failed miserably… makes zero sense just like the polygraph exam as a whole.
@@lukashood25They'll tell people they failed even when they didn't just as a way to try and convince them to admit guilt. You are right, polygraphs are totally meaningless.
Screaming and shouting does not help anything ,,,,It seems African American people go off like raving lunatics …completely out of control….Just listen to that voice..how on earth could you live with that….Put her in a cell…..You are in trouble America…because you have far to many like her….
As DV survivor, it means so much that Bruce continually says "Don't use Violence against Women/Child PERIOD". I swear almost every episode Bruce says similar messaging and I have to say that is so powerful and I really admire it. You would be amazed at the lawyers, who defend abusers and will actually engage in the same abusive behavior as their client (abuse by litigation, verbal harassment). My (female) lawyer and I had to make several motions to the court in order to stop the harassment as my abuser's lawyer was harassing both myself and my lawyer. She was flabbergasted. She had not experienced anything like it and I felt very guilty for bringing her into my hell but it was also validating to have someone else say "this is not right". I just really admire real individuals, who stand up for what is right and helps promote the message that any type of violence is not acceptable in a relationship. Period. Thank you Bruce! 🖤
Why does the "DV survivor" message never include "girls, don't make the mistake I did. I stayed after he hit me the first time and I shouldn't have. Don't ever stay with a man who his you even once."? It's always "men, don't hit women, " or "no one will believe or help you" or "so I'm suing 17 years later."
Lot's of people agree it's bad for men to hit women. But I love the way Bruce repeats that it is NEVER OK many, many times and feel he is sincere and really wants men to hear him.
@@derpsnarf4052first off, like the person before me said, the message blames the one at fault, not the victim. Since you’re gonna be a dickhead tho, go watch 1:20:05 ish, he warns women to stay away from that type of man. That’s the thing though, he WARNS not BLAMES unlike you.
I’d love to see your opinion on the Vergilio Aguilar Menendez case. An 18 year old being charged with resisting and manslaughter after the officer had a heart attack.
@@B_Bodziak it’s very recent, the prosecution alleges that the teen reached for the taser and tried to pull a knife, and that the subsequent struggle led to the heart attack.
Body language and deception analysis really is just an investigative police tool. It's rarely used as evidence in a court room. You would just impeach the witness with facts.
Absolutely loving the longer format ( 1-2 ) hrs. Know you’re busy with your career & family life, but whenever you have the time please continue making the longer vids. Really enjoy hearing your thoughts to a video vs. mine. You know more about the law than me, so i find it truly fascinating to hear your perspective. Ty for all your hard work, i love watching your vids. Thank you sir.
Your good man Charlie Brown! When I comment on videos like this about violence against women, as a woman, it’s not gonna hit guys the same way as when you say it. Plus you just say it more calmly than I do. I’m a survivor so I get a little bit riled up. I’m grateful to you for saying it often, with conviction, and with strength.
People are probably more likely to listen to him as an attorney with lots of experience beyond just his own relationships than simply because he's a man.
My daughter was 16 when she was killed on August 3rd, 2020, and it changed my whole life. I ended up losing my job in law enforcement, and it is an unexplainable experience. Sad, I hate to see this.
I was 24 when I randomly met a guy and it was 100% jaw dropping love at first sight. We talked and I gave him my number. We went on a few dates, introduced eachother to the families... out of nowhere on a date he said that he beat his first wife and has like 1st degree assault on his record. I cut the relationship off that second. If a person has a history of cheating or violence, no thanks. Im 1/2 your size. Im not taking a punch. After I walked away from the relationship after explaining this he tried to break into my apartment a few months later. Dont let hurt people hurt you. Domestic violence goes both ways but I promise a punch from a guy will make you forget your 4th experience and piano lessons. Once a tone of violence is introduced once, RUN. it doesnt get better and escalates. Btw. Still single. Your dads a dilf. Tell him to hit me up if hes single
I grew up in an abusive home (he was a cop) and my first memory was of him trying to kill my mom. He also abused me as well. I put an end to it when I (100 lb female) sent him on a 2 week stay at the ICU. Luckily, a friend of the family told him to not press charges on me or he would pay his team of lawyers to defend me in court. Bastard never touched mom or me again. But I still have PTSD. While I have picked some lousy guys, they've not been physically abusive. Still, took myself out of the dating pool because I don't need any drama in my life. Now it's me, my cat and dog. Living a peaceful life cannot be appreciated enough.
Hi Bruce and Michael! Thank you for always helping us understand the legal system. After watching you, I identify as a Lawyer!! HAHAHA! Hi Grandma!!!!! Keep up the shenanigans!!!
Thank you, Bruce, for strongly voicing your opinion about domestic violence. I’m now out of an almost 30 year marriage to a physically abusive husband. He’s still being passively abusive but I moved 1200 miles away so at least I don’t have the day to day, in my face, rages. He’s a retired Army veteran so he gets the benefit of the doubt and a lot of deference when it comes to the court system.
Can’t count how many fellow domestic abuse survivors I’ve known who were married/in a relationship with a current or previous military person who was extremely abusive. Also so many true crime stories the perp is so often former or current military. So glad you got away, love. So so glad. Stories like ours often end in much more tragic ways. ❤
I had a friend that came upon the scene of a traffic accident and discovered one of the vehicles contained her husband. She instinctively ran to her husband’s truck. She fought off officers in the process. Two minutes later she was cuffed and on her way to jail. I think this mother, Darcie, handled herself pretty well considering.
Unless she did something, you don't know lol. Going into a scene like that can fuck up the evidence and aid the criminal/truth. OFC it sucks but it sucks worse when you impede the finding of your husband/wifes killer. @@SaraHessXXIV
OMG, not only did you get a new suit and tie, but you went over a million subscribers! Congratulations Bruce and Michael! 🎉❤😊 The two of you are a fantastic team.
God, if ever I needed an hour and 45 minutes of CLR, it was today. Thanks for making the holidays a little more bearable, Bruce and Michael! Happy New Years to y’all.
I hope your holidays get a little brighter and wishing you and your family a Happy New Year! May God bless you and your loved ones with a peaceful and healthy year ahead! 🤍🙏🕊️
You enjoyed this? It is something learned. I respect Mr. Rivers, as matter of fact, I was going to see if he would see a case in my state. I admire him. But, this was sad. The Rivers family have had some bad times themselves, so that explains his humor-I have the same at time. But, I couldn't watch the whole thing. But I do understand that you like to get his opinion on things. He is very helpful
The worst part of this story to me (and there are SO many) is the terror Livye must've felt before dying. He chased her down, kicked and beat on her car door and window, then shot her with a hunting rifle. Smh. He basically hunted her. It's a shame. Alcohol can make a bad person ten times worse. And that triflin' Mama of his probably never held him accountable for anything and is partly the reason why he is such a piss poor human to begin with.
I lost my oldest, my son, on November 15, 2022. That gutteral, animalistic screaming upon finding out your child is gone, was hard to believe it was coming from my own body. Watching her hear the dreaded news that her daughter is gone made my stomach hurt. I'm glad she got justice for her daughter. Praying we get justice for my son too. I'm not very optimistic about it. But in reality it's not going to change anything for me. At the end of the day, my son is still dead & the trash who is responsible isn't. Thank you for acknowledging that losing a child is unnatural. It certainly is unnatural to say the very least. Wishing everyone a safe & healthy New Year.
There’s a typical way to act and there are complexities of several combinations that blunt emotions and /or logic to a certain influential percentage. Unfortunately or fortunately when a person has been through a series of tragedies in life that have resulted in perpetual loss they may do the opposite and be unusually calm and despondent. It really depends on someone’s personality and how their resiliency or lack thereof shines through in their emotional reactivity. Substances and recent experiences can effect this too. There’s not a true “well” I agree but accusing the police of covering up for someone is off the cuff regardless and may speak towards some ideological fringe or existing paranoia that is not born of the situation. I’ve seen wild reactions from seemingly level headed intelligent people in the midst of tragedy & emergency. I’ve also seen unusual willingness to take orders from those typically opposed to being ordered around. We as a society have an issue with the binary comparison of extremes and discounting that these are on opposite ends of a spectrum. Placing extremes next to each other as an either or without considering the middle causes error in accuracy
I had lost my sister to suicide. She was 18 and while we were waiting for the coroner. The officers were giggling and laughing with each other talking about their vacation plans. I understand the need to separate ones self from the situation but, hearing them giggle and laugh while they were upstairs and we were down stairs trying to wrap our head around the situation. Felt a twist of the knife.
To be fair to them, they deal with this often. Your sister taking her own life shouldn’t be a drain on them. They have dozens of cases just like it. Being solemn all the time will make them quit in droves. Hell some might follow your sister’s example with a job this depressing. The world doesn’t revolve around you.
@@WadeAlma dude show some respect. The man acknowledged that he gets you gotta distance yourself in that line of work. But you gotta read the room and realize there's a time and place to crack jokes. It was disrespectful to the family to be making light out of painful situation in their own home. Do that shit when you get outside at least. He was showing how the ignorance of some cops during a difficult time can make it all a bit more heavy. You sound even more like an asshole for referring to what his sister did as an example. Humble yourself. The world doesn't revolve around you.
@@WadeAlmaWhat a disgusting viewpoint. You can separate yourself from the situation while remaining professional. I work in healthcare, and I’ve NEVER and WILL NEVER be so callous when a family is grieving. Have some compassion. Or at least basic human dignity and class
@@lexirey430 Except they weren’t. They were not near them. They don’t need to act like everyone else’s current issues are theirs. Like damn. Imagine working in a place where you’re not allowed to be happy because someone else may be sad. Like if they were interacting directly then yeah, it’d be wrong. But they weren’t. This is why there’s so much burnout in medical fields. Expecting them to be constantly robotic. How insensitive of you.
Someone had said in another video, the best thing those officers could have done is been honest with the mom, and ask her to get any information she can about where she was, anyone she knows, etc. It keeps the mom busy while the cops work and helps the investigation. How they treated her was wrong.
I loved the longer video❤Bruce and Michael Thank you so much for doing these and telling people how Domestic Violence is so bad and not worth it.And Bruce I like when you get disgusted and angry telling these guys and men,even girls and women to STOP IT.Trying to help this world to become a better place.LOVE THE CHANNEL.
I agree with all your comments in response to the analysis of the body language. There are so many possible explanations for why someone might act the way they do, and anyone who tries to say “they didn’t react exactly like this, so that’s suspicious” is just trying to find reasons to incriminate someone.
@PallasAndDove they also consistently contradict themselves in their videos. In one video, making a certain movement is indicative of guilt, and then, in the next video, not making that same movement is also indicative of guilt. There is a good reason body language isn't used in court. It's pseudoscience.
i really appreciate you calling out the body language analysis that explore with us does. the cases are interesting but his claims about what body language means are so preposterous to me that i can’t watch their videos without your commentary. thank you for always keepin it real, bruce! happy new year to you and michael ♡︎
ikr.. I roll my eyes every time they bring that up. "Here you can see the suspect move his left hand three inches from the right side of his head. That is widely considered to be a sign of Schizophrenia" Lol now I have no doubt that there are times when body language can be used to significantly aid an investigation, but I also have no doubt its and probably really obvious.
I'm happy to see others feels the way I do about their commentary. Most of it is such a reach and unnecessary. I mean if you can't even be correct about how someone shakes their head, how am I supposed to believe the rest?
dude seriously, just watching 2 dif vids back to back the contradictions are insane. lack of eye contact= lying not breaking eye contact= lying there’s so many more it’s the main one that comes to mind tho. don’t forget “these are signs of anti social personality” ab literally almost every single criminal they feature. plus they’re saying all this in hindsight, when they know the suspects guilty & been charged, likely been diagnosed w personality disorder(s), etc. id like to see their analysis on someone who’s innocent that displays the same signs they claim are all signs of “guilt” or lying.
So heartbreaking. I have a daughter who has been in a relationship similar to that. It is terrifying to lay in bed at night and pray for your daughters safety. 💔
Will you tell me the former abuser's first name and her first name? Or an initial, or any characteristic about each of them. I'll pray and send the best and most protective wishes and affection and security the way of you and your loved ones. I know the potential pain when a terrible person doesn't let go.
@@autumn9729 She is finally free of that man. Best day of my life! Will you instead say a prayer for all women in that position to have the strength to walk away? 💝🙏
I know the feeling. My daughter was in 2 abusive relationships. Last one he crushed her cheekbone in. She needs plastic surgery now. My husband never laid a hand on me. I will never understand.😢
I love it when you are watching a video for the first time with us-! In addition to that, I think you are such an honorable, respectable and genuinely good man.
Bruce & Micheal as a fellow survivor I keep you both in my heart & wish you all the best! May you make another million subs this year. May you make it up the west coast on two wheels. May all your comment be kind!
You have the right amount of education, snarkiness, compassion, humor, expertise,. on this channel. Enjoy your channel. A big true crime fan and love all aspects of it, the trial, the legal stuff.
I had already watched this on the channel that originally posted this but I just Love watching you and your take on it all. I really look forward every week to what you're going to have next. Thank you to you and your Son for your presentations of the content. This is DEFINITELY one of my Favorite Channels
@@spicyirwin5835I wonder if she was really there at the crime scene right after and if so would she ever get charged.. something isn’t right with her statements. Maybe she was really drunk and doesn’t remember. But something tells me she does and so did he.
When I was 6 my older sister was taken and murdered. She was 14. My mother was never the same. I remember my mom being so loving before but after she had a hard time even looking at my and my brother. My brother wanted kids and really wanted a daughter to name her after our sister. Me…. No kids ever ! Watching the life long pain my mother felt every day until her last day alive was horrible. It was just impossible for my mother to find joy and happiness after. I never wanted to love something that much.. crazy stuff..
My parents were never the same either. My brother, one of six, was 17 when he was killed in a single vehicle car accident. Our family was devastated. I never had children.
It is a love that I couldn't even imagine you could feel for anything before I had my first baby. And then I was like, ohhh I see now. That's why moms say their children are a piece of their heart running around outside of their body running around in possible danger. My mother-in-law had a child that died of Spina Bifida in the early 80s, and told my husband don't ever have kids. You will spend all your time worrying about them.
I'm so very very sorry about what happen to your sister and all the pain that came from that horror , so sorry. I have 3 children and 6 Grandchildren and I'd not be able to go on if anything happen to them. I've said many times , that if anything happen to your child , how could u go on but U would have to if U have other children but I don't know how U do , I'm so very very sorry and I hope U and your brother r ok and that I get to be the very best Aunt in the whole world .
Dude, sorry, but it's always the parent's fault. For 2 years, I literally had to wake up at 5am in the morning to walk my dog for 2 hours, so he behaves until I come home *(regardless of rain or snow or heat wave...). You just get up in 5am & do what you supposed to do. And I had to do the same after coming from work. And I cooked for both of us.... And my mom was around during the day. & We had a nice/big backyard.... My point is, People don't spend 4 hours a day with their kids. In a few hours a day, a kid can learn to read in 10 languages. Unfortunately the bad parents are always blaming the Society & School System, or parents & husband.
I've tried listening to this episode a bunch of times and I just can't. Her pain and rage are too raw for me to deal with. I just keep thinking how I'd react if it were my kid.
17:40 That’s actually a fantastic handling of the family. It’s extremely difficult, but his demeanor and wording are perfect. So fantastically done. Any more or less will fall apart.
Bruce, I live in rural Australia. We never lose our car keys 'cos they're always in the ignition, and we always lose our house keys 'cos it's so long since we needed them to lock up. Things are different in the country.
I don't understand why an officer didn't pull her aside and explain that officers can't tell her anything because it could jeopardize holding the person(s) responsible for her daughter's death. THAT is something a mom would probably understand.
Losing a child is the absolute worst thing a parent can go through, regardless of the reason. We loat 2 within 24 hours and the only thing I'm thankful for is that we were able to hold them when it happened.
I know. They could have told her, "we are doing all we can do, we are so sorry." They did terrible comforting her and explaining that to gather evidence they needed her to leave.
she may well have been the perpetrator. they are not councillors they are there to solve the crime and contain the scene and she is the only problem they seem to be having.
Yes, in rural east Texas, lots of people leave keys in cars... it took me YEARS to unlearn this. Or even to lock my front door. In college, i woukd come home to my apt often to friend's or neighbors in my living room who were locked out waiting on their roomates, because they knew i never locked the door. Comforts of growing up in small country towns
Wishing you, Michael and your daughter …… but mostly grannie ….. a happily and healthy new year. Hoping grannie and her posey stay out of the slammer. Keep the E sign close, ladies!
Heartbreaking to watch this mother. Thank you for covering this one. I feel like the mom knew all the answers to the questions she was asking the police. May she rest in peace 🕊️
Why didn’t the cops pull her aside and just explain to her what’s going on. What’s the point of standing there ignoring her? That’s the mother of the child. She deserves respect.
@@SM-nz9ff and what police were actually defunded? Literally no department has been defunded. Maybe actually research before spewing your boot licking talking points.
When my daughter was born, she laid very still on my chest when they placed her there and wasn't breathing well. They took her away immediately and from then on, I felt so much anxiety and distress not knowing how she was. A nurse came in my room, and I asked how my daughter was and she said, a doctor will be in soon. That certainly did not ease my anxiety but increased it. The next time a nurse entered my room, I asked again and was given the same response. So instead, I asked the nurse, is she breathing? To which she told me that they had her on oxygen. Ok great. Shes alive. now I can breathe just a bit better. How hard is it to just simply say someone is alive? Leaving a mother in the dark is so cruel. That kind of stress can cause a situation to escalate in so many different kinds of ways depending on how an individual copes with their stress. Darci Bass, I am so sorry your baby was taken away from you. I am appalled at how law enforcement handled your situation. Justice was the least that could be done here.
And He looked legitimately SHOCKED when He’s told how she got 25:00 I think He’s been setup How’d he dust her and then just leave himself setup perfectly passed out with the weapon and ready to be caught ??? 🤔 No bueno Makes No sense I think they’re turd Po and not even looking at the possibilities He may have done it I’m still watching but I don’t think he did it and left himself there Like WTH
My husband does when we go to the farm where he grew up. Small town and it’s no joke they don’t lock their doors either. I’m a city girl and it drives me crazy that the keys are in our car when we go visit. It gives me anxiety. The door unlocked, gives me major anxiety. I would get up after everyone was asleep and lock the door. They finally started announcing the house is locked up for the night when I was there. All in good fun. I wouldn’t go get the car keys after everyone went to sleep because of coyotes. The life of a city girl who marries a country boy…lol. It’s been fun!!!!!
I grew up rural. It was common practice to leave the keys in the car when you got home. First off, nobody ever came in the middle of the night to cruise endlessly miles of dirt road and blacktop… but often someone else in the house would need to use the car later (you can’t just walk down to the corner store for a loaf of bread or pack of smokes) and it was just was easier to hop in and use the car than to wake someone up, or track them down on the back 40 to see if they forgot the key in their pocket…
My sister's son was murdered 6 years and 8 1/2 months ago. April 2016. She still struggles everyday. He left 2 children behind having no father/ dad in their lives.
I piss my girlfriend off by asking her who Bruce Rivers is and asking what's he do right after! She doesn't watch these videos so she always forgets I Crack myself up!
I cannot imagine loosing a child, but I somehow pray that my reaction might be somewhat different than Darcie's. Did the cop really think that, by standing there staring at that Mother not saying a damn word, they were helping anything? Jesus!
That was awful to watch… all of them just standing there staring at her, like she was speaking a language they didn’t understand. Not one cop could step forward and say “Ma’am, there’s been an incident. I’m very sorry to have to tell you that your daughter is no longer with us. This officer (literally pick one) will take you to the station, and a detective will meet you there shortly to speak with you.” What would have been so difficult about that?
@@DottyDonut I doubt she would have went. This was likely going to be the outcome no matter what they said, but I do agree they should have attempted. But you have to see it through their perspective, they don't want to say something their not supposed to. They were probably told they weren't allowed to engage with any possible relative.
@@baneh1329plus she knew Mathew was there. Cops don't want Mom going off half-cocked and take justice into her own hands. I agree thwy could have been less cold about the way they told her and more forceful on taking her to the station to discuss things. Their hands could have been tied with their own orders from a superior.
I've been watching EWU since the beginning and it's so much better with Bruce Rivers explaining the little details I'd never have thought of in a million years!
You would hope so, but there are bad people on the planet who don't go by the same rules and can't keep their hands to themselves. It's why so many women have to wear burqas, it's to hide from creeps who can't control themselves. Even though the women are the ones blamed for being attacked anyway. If my ex had had a gun, I wouldn't be alive today. It wasn't like he didn't try a bunch of other stuff that he could use, I'm tougher than he thought.
lol, unfortunately at the same time there are also a dozen men's right activists who whine about how women sometimes hit men though (which in their mind makes it okay to beat women). So it's a give and take.
The ppl under EWUs video are ....wow. the way they talked about this mom being like this... the cops dragged their feet with her, left unbearable lengthy periods of silence for this poor mom to stew in. They couldve been sympathetic from getgo and said "listen, we wanna get justice for u and ud daughter, let us do that without the pressure of having u here." The way the man in brown vest came and said. They could've sped up the process not wait half hour for that man to come. They handled it horribly....
As we say in my language: "From behind your can look a cow in its ass". It is easy to look at this from a distance and see and tell the better option. But in reality they are doing an already stressful job, investigating the gruesome murder of a young lady, and there comes the mom screaming her head off.
"there comes the mum screaming her head off !!!! " after hearing that her daughter is dead in the car in front of her. I hope karma gets you soon you horrible person.@@TinkerTaylor-zv1ml
I had to take Rules of Evidence twice. That’s why Habba pisses me off…. I value being smart. I sent your podcast to my law school mentees. My law school professor for Professional Responsibility had us watch a John Grisham movie and cite every violation (federal judge, FL teaching in MI). We came up with 2-5 pages. He accepted 16-31. You are that great and thank you for sharing. 👊🏿 I am white collar, I don’t pretend to know much beyond law school or the rare mediation 😅. You rock ✊🏿
1:24:05 That's one things. People often ask witnesses after the fact, "Why didn't you do anything?" But this guy makes a good point. So you do something, but you know that, the next week, or a 'i'm sorry', later the two people are back together and suddenly you are the 'bad guy' for trying to come between them. You tell a guy he should not beat his girl, and the girl will get upset with you for traying to break her up from this amazing guy that is really wonderful if he isn't drinking.
"you are the 'bad guy'" to whom? You're more worried about how you are perceived by a sick couple trapped in a sick relationship than about what you are in reality. "the girl will get upset with you," who gives a fuck? Let her be upset all she wants. At least you did your part.
@@bloodyivy7453 Yeah, no. I didn't post this in my original comment because it was already too long as it is. But my sister, and therefore i indirectly, experienced something like this. A cousin (is that the right word? Daughter of my mom's sister) of ours. Got into trouble with her family. Moved out. Then my sister met her and they talked for a bit. You know, how are you, what are you doing now, bla, bla. Then a month or so later, our cousin reconciles with her family and moves back home. The kicker? her family somehow found out, maybe even from our cousin, that my sister talked to our cousin for a bit. And somehow that was perceived as my sister taking our cousin's side in 'the conflict'. So, our cousin was back home, and her family that we visited once a week before, hasn't talked to us since, which is decades ago now. So yeah, you will be the bad guy as long as the person themselves are not ready to move on.
Bruce and Michael happy New Year to you guys when it comes! You guys are fantastic I’m blind and listen to your videos here in Ireland where I’m from. So entertaining and I watched some of the police videos on other channels, but you give me more insight with your comments Would love to have a pint if you’re ever in Ireland
Yeah, but the video footage of her retelling the story is valuable, whereas the polygraph is not. It's merely a tool or excuse to re-question the person to see if they contradict earlier statements.
Enjoying this long episode while sick. Thanks for the content Michael and Bruce. Really important messaging in these situations and i pray none of us will have to go through this.
I bet it wasn't Montana that the witness saw at the crime scene. It was Cindy, his mom. Here's my theory: Matthew followed Livye in his buddy's stolen truck. Matthew tells Montana that Livye is dead before actually killing her (the phone is in the truck with no blood on the phone or truck). Matthew kills Livye while Montana is telling Cindy about the message from Matthew. Montana doesn't want to go there cause she's scared of Matthew having been recently threatened and choked, but Matthew wouldn't shoot his mom, so Cindy goes in Montana's car. Matthew won't leave cause he's wasted drunk and too heavy for his mom to move.
I found Colby's Pearson's testimony the most gut wrenching because he literally says nothing could of been done to change the outcome of what happened. Mathew's escalating behavior was apparently acceptable to everyone who witnessed it. And apparently there was no way for Mathew to see that he could be happy if we was willing to do the work to make that happen.
I just discovered your channel a few weeks ago. I've seen many of the cases, but I find your insights very interesting and I totally resonate with your delivery. Great work! Thanks.
@adoral.libertucci2647 This!!!! Why do women not realize this. My mother is a NICU nurse and once had a woman whose baby was in the NICU who’d visit with her 4 years old son. Whenever he didn’t get his way or like what his mother said, he’d slap, punch, or bite her. He was neurologically typical, no syndrome, just a little 💩. My mother finally said to her, “What are you going to do when he’s 16 and twice your size?” “If my son did that to me, he’d do it once and it would be the last thing he’d ever do.” The mother’s answer was that her son didn’t mean it and he was just acting out. At that point my mother had lost any respect for her and told her she deserved whatever he did to her in the future because she was creating a monster and that she was also responsible for any future women her son abused. The stupid woman just stammered about how he was so small and just a baby. Yeah, that’s how you create an absolutely worthless individual.
Absolutely! And with the advent of the horrifically toxic 'Boy Moms' movement on TicTok, these kinds of tragedies are only going to happen more often than ever before.
there are just as many "enabling fathers" as there are "coddling mothers". so many "real men" will pat their son on the back for having sex with a high number of females, getting said females pregnant cuz men love for their lineage to continue, for getting in brawling fights, for getting absolutely trashed on alcohol, for being able to shoot a gun etc....they turn the other way when their son beats on a woman because they feel the woman has earned that smack on the mouth for back talking or not doing as she was told. so for clarity sake, you should edit your comment to read "coddling mothers AND ENABLING FATHERS".
@34rd-uv9nc Didn’t hear anything about the murderer’s father. Only about his coddling mother. So how would talking about his father that we know nothing about be relevant. Such a dumb question.
@@adoral.libertucci2647Blaming mothers only for their children's behavior is an old, outdated position in psychology (see "refrigerator mothers" supposedly causing autism). It's ignorant to say "girls, take note" without also adding: Absent and/or abusive fathers are also strongly linked to their children's misbehavior - boys, take note.
An officer that knew her should have gathered them and told her what they could and beg her to not damage the case against someone. But they left her storming around and didn't de-escalate. Callous treatment
Yeah. I understand trying to delay the notification, but once she was there, he should have taken her aside and told her straight up. The delay comes off as cruel and callous.
If you want to see some hilarious self-snitching, check out the Dan Markel murder case, specifically the Adelson family’s recorded jailhouse calls. And these people have money, education, and a lawyer in their family.
Love the channel and the perspectives of the law that are raised. This channel educates folks on all the things your parents never knew or knew to convey. As you stated in a previous video, one does not have to deliver the death blow to be eligible for a murder indictment. The mere involvement in the act that leads to a death makes one equally culpable. Understanding that premise, how is it the people convicted in the January 6 riot are not also charged with the deaths that occurred during the riot?
Because the only person who died not from natural causes was the girl that a cop literally executed. She had no weapon and the only thing she was guilty of is trespassing and maybe not even that since the doors were opened by officers.
I leave my keys in the car all the time.. then I freak out because I can’t find them anywhere.. so I’ve started to just check the car.. and I’ve found them in the ignition every time 😂😅
My 5 y.o. niece was killed when some idiots shot up the wrong house back in 2014 (I've come to terms with it, she's our angel now). Losing one's child is the most unnatural & heartbreaking thing we can go through as humans! I can tell you that that girl's mom wasn't thinking rationally at all! There is no rationale when it comes to the death of someone's child, no matter how old they are!
If you wake up in the hospital getting questioned for murder, you will definitely need E Sign.
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I read a great comment on the original video, from a former LEO. He said that with the Mother, their standard solution for that type of issue would be to give her a task so that she feels like shes in the know, and that shes helping. So have her write down names and numbers of everyone her daughter knows. Just anything to keep her mind occupied and let her feel like shes helping. And that wouldve been a great way to handle things and help that poor Woman through this situation.
Great insight
That definitely sounds like an excellent management tool.
I think she was drunk and cops knew it because she wasn’t in her right mind. News travels fast in a small town so I think she self medicated.
@suzanna self-medicated before coming to the crime scene and finding out? That doesn’t seem likely. Either way, the cops didn’t know how to socialize or communicate well. They just had her out there screaming. They could’ve paid some lip service and made her feel like they were doing all they could and waiting on special investigators to come, explain the process. Those guys sucked.
@@basicallyno1722lots of people just drink all day. Not saying she did or was, but people do. There’s always a chance someone you’re dealing with is drunk as a skunk
Watching this intelligent Lawyer just speak about life has helped me a great deal...like the things he says about manning up and putting your differences aside with your ex for the sake of the child makes soo much sense! My Dad is an alcoholic who didn't really teach me a whole lot..still an amazing Dad don't get me wrong but I learn a lot about how to carry myself thru Mr. Rivers.
Aw that's so sweet.
That’s what’s up
Good for You to Me A smart enough person to learn positive habits & life rules from others .
Well done.
We can’t just know it all without being taught and or from experience.
Stay positive and spread love
Life keeps getting better everyday
This speaks volumes cause I'm an alcoholic but I try my best to teach my kids all the good things i was taught about life
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We lost our 11 year old daughter 30 years ago. It's not natural, it's a loss you never get over.
😢 I'm so sorry for your loss. My sister is battling ALS. My 90 year-old father and my 85 year-old mother are still alive and healthy. The thought of losing her is already devastating for them. It is not natural, and I'm sorry you had to lose a child so very young.
So very sorry. Tragic.
I love all the kind & considerate people Bruce & Michael have brought together. 💕
@@neecie9075 He's such a good role model. There are to many toxic "influencers" that boys and young men are following. They'd all do well to learn from Bruce.
I'm so sorry for your loss
The situation with the mother would’ve seriously benefited from someone trained in de-escalation; someone who could talk to her while walking her away from the crime scene, maybe give her some answers or take the time to explain why they can’t give her details yet. That would help calm her down and let the other officers work the scene.
I know!
Exactly right. Treat the woman with a bit of humanity. If the officers had shown compassion and understanding while explaining that they wanted to investigate fully to ensure they got full answers for her then that could have helped. Instead they basically "gray rocked" her and stood there staring at her during the worst moments of her life. Good gravy!
Yeah this. Also if they didn’t try to hide the fact that her fucking kid was dead and still in the car. She immediately lost all trust and respect for them after that. Cops are so incompetent at their jobs it’s insane.
Doesn’t excuse the lady from acting like a dumbass either tho. Her boyfriend/husband whatever he is also needs to grow some balls and step in when she starts acting that emotionally dumb. Almost let her get herself arrested. Let them do their jobs, this isn’t your episode of CSI, this shit takes time in real life.
I think the cop asked her if she was drunk before she found out her daughter was deceased. Then when she asked wtf was the one cop laughing about after she went into hysterics and rightfully so upon finding out her child was dead. This town seemed like the 1980s. I honestly thought this was a very old case. Small town drama and trauma for sure. My heart goes out to this lady. Honestly she was stronger than I would’ve been.
or perhaps it would help if the "female" could actually try to control herself. times are changing. We ain't got time for people that can't respond to the human language. I mean really. what are they suppose to do. give her milk and cookies and stroke her ego. she knows damn well what's going on. there is no need for all this nonsense. contaminating the crime scene and acting like a real asshole.
Turned 21 while visiting a friend in a very small town in Wyoming . Had no experience but my friend’s parents really wanted me to bartend at their little bar. It was the watering hole for guys who worked at the feed lots. These guys arrived as nice, respectful family men. A few hours later they were obnoxious drunks who wanted to play grab ass with a young bartender who could be their daughter. Quit the job, swore not to be a drinker or drugger and went on to go to college and have a successful life. Good lesson learned young!
I feel like a lot of the mothers reaction could have been prevented by just one of the officers taking her to the side, as soon as she got there, to explain to her that her daughter is deceased and how they needed to handle the crime scene in order to find out what happened. A little empathy goes a long way. Imagine finding out your kid has been in an accident and everyone who knows anything about it just stares at you in silence or ignores you. Any parent would have been freaking out in that situation.
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Exactly. For me she was pretty calm. They would have had to physically pick me up out of there..they should have just told her everything they knew. And gently pulled her away. Ridiculous how they just stood there in silence staring at her while she fell apart.
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I think they tried, they just didn't know how to. Prime example of how better training can help police in these situations.
@@jamess7745 you may be right, but I think basic Human compassion and empathy shouldn't need to be taught. the human race is becoming numb and devolving.
You just can’t imagine as a parent what this is like. My husband skidded on black ice into the woods, was killed and my daughter who we thought was with him was missing. She was staying overnight with friends ten minutes down the road. 19 years yesterday.
I’m so sorry for your loss. Keep strong !
I'm so sorry for your loss and trauma 😢 🙏
So sorry. I can’t even imagine. My heart goes out to you.
I'm sorry for your loss. I'm so thankful your daughter was with her friends. I couldn't imagine the panic. I hope you have both found some sense of peace.
How come you didn't know your daughter was staying overnight with friends. Why weren't you told in advance
It was incredibly cruel to not pull the mother aside, say “ma’am I am so sorry but your child is no longer with us.” Instead they left her there guessing, wondering what happened and then they just randomly say “she is no longer with us”. She was WAY calmer than I would have been. I would have had a stage 5 PR meltdown and be in jail for acting a complete fool. This was TERRIBLE on the LEO part.
@DonnaL-xv6tu wrong. You never know how you would react, if I didn’t know where my child was and the police wouldn’t say anything and I saw my child car. I would be acting the same way x10.
@DonnaL-xv6tuas a mother yes the f*ck I would be in hysteria screaming if I knew that my child was in a severe accident and nobody is speaking to me about what happened or telling me where my child is at, they're staring at her like she's crazy I would absolutely flip my shit.
@@キアラシャイアン To me it feels like she has fully... processed^ the implications^ She is in shock and the first thing that happens to her is people are dismissing her or ignoring her, without giving any info. So she gets confrontational. She
Not to point out the worst, but.. they also didn’t know at that point whether the mother was involved or not. They didn’t know anything. Mothers have done things, fathers have done things. So, yeah. It makes sense not to disclose information to a potential perpetrator.
@@TauposaurusI agree a hundred percent. I feel the others in the comments aren't giving her the proper credit she deserves. She just lost a child and no one is giving her any type of information. I think I would've been pissed too.
I understand controlling the crime scene and the mother being belligerent with emotion but I think she would have been a lot calmer if they took a slightly different approach. I understand they can’t share information about the investigation, etc but they could have said something like “she’s no longer with us, I’m so sorry, I can’t give you anymore answers until the investigation is complete”. But giving her the equivalent of the silent treatment is just going to make her go even harder. Let’s have some compassion for her on the worst day of her life. ❤
Agreed
It was the sweet and compassionate way they dealt with Mathew that really sickened me compared to the way they treated the mother and they were also really aggressive with their questioning with the girlfriend who was being beaten herself by this monster!
It honestly looked they were taunting her to me to be honest.... they way she was screaming "is she dead or alive??" And he very calmly said " well she's not......(pause) alive!" .....the mother thought he was going to say not dead! And she collapsed and still nobody comforted her! Or said sorry for your loss 🤬
No one wins, every loses.
They're cops, it's normal to be righteous psychopaths
Most people have to pay for this much of Mr. River's time. Thanks for all you two do.
He getting paid by all of us very well lol
Ikr, I luv Bruce. Great lawyer and human being ❤
Believe me, Michael is running up a bag.
@@robkilenstihl5329I hope so!
It’s entertainment at the end of the day. Not rocket science.
Listening to this again, it was all senseless even more so. The guy, Bobby, said that because they were drinking at his place they could all stay the night because nobody needs to be driving. The common courtesy turned into somebody getting killed, a young girl getting killed.
I lost my daughter due to murder in 2020. The worst thing that could happen to a parent. You never get over it
I'm so sorry 😢, I can't imagine the pain.. God please wrap your arms around this mother and her family ❤️
I don’t see how you could get over it. Much love for you and I hope you slowly become able to find a way to cope and go on living.
I’m so sorry
I'm so sorry 😢❤
@@lauracherebullock7288 thank you
Heart breaks for the mother. I totally understand her feeling and freaking out. I also understand the need to keep the scene free of contamination, distraction, etc. This is just so heartbreaking.
Honestly, for having just found out her daughter was dead, murdered as she had to see the blood everywhere, and she had no idea what happened and wasn't being told anything b/c the investigation can't be jeopardized, I thought she held it together better than most. I expected her to completely freak-out, push officers aside and go inside the car. Remember how the uvalde mother who broke through the police line TWICE and was handcuffed because she was trying to get inside the school? This mother was also clear headed enough to ask about things the police actually needed to do in their investigation like running the serial number of the gun that was found in order to see who it was registered to. Actually, an officer should have taken the mom aside and explained that she would definitely be told everything and all her questions answered but this couldn't be done at the scene because doing so might end up jeopardizing holding the person responsible for what he/she did. THAT a mom would understand. I think the fact that they didn't physically remove her from the scene is probably a good indication that she wasn't freaking out nearly as much as other moms/parents have. I believe a parent freaking out would be aggressive. This mother seemed to be more assertive vs aggressive. Fuck. I think she held it together much better than I would have and I'm rarely assertive and never aggressive (except once and that's when I found out an adult had physically hurt my 8 yr old daughter (broken bones and an accusation of sex assault). I lost it. I didn't own a gun, but I tried to buy one from three places. None of the 3 managers at the 3 stores (2 pawn shops and 1 gun shop) would sell me a gun of any type. I am sure that it was obvious what my intentions were. Even now, almost 20 years later, I am still not sure I should be grateful for those 3 managers/supervisors recognizing that they shouldn't allow me to leave with any type of firearm. I still think the A-hole who hurt my daughter deserves a bullet right between his thighs. I can't even imagine if he'd have killed her.
Don’t ever do a polygraph so many variables go into this bs test, plus the guy says I believe you told a whole lot of the truth but at the same time says you failed miserably… makes zero sense just like the polygraph exam as a whole.
f@(K your feelings
@@lukashood25They'll tell people they failed even when they didn't just as a way to try and convince them to admit guilt. You are right, polygraphs are totally meaningless.
Screaming and shouting does not help anything ,,,,It seems African American people go off like raving lunatics …completely out of control….Just listen to that voice..how on earth could you live with that….Put her in a cell…..You are in trouble America…because you have far to many like her….
As DV survivor, it means so much that Bruce continually says "Don't use Violence against Women/Child PERIOD". I swear almost every episode Bruce says similar messaging and I have to say that is so powerful and I really admire it. You would be amazed at the lawyers, who defend abusers and will actually engage in the same abusive behavior as their client (abuse by litigation, verbal harassment). My (female) lawyer and I had to make several motions to the court in order to stop the harassment as my abuser's lawyer was harassing both myself and my lawyer. She was flabbergasted. She had not experienced anything like it and I felt very guilty for bringing her into my hell but it was also validating to have someone else say "this is not right". I just really admire real individuals, who stand up for what is right and helps promote the message that any type of violence is not acceptable in a relationship. Period. Thank you Bruce! 🖤
Women are abusers also.
Why does the "DV survivor" message never include "girls, don't make the mistake I did. I stayed after he hit me the first time and I shouldn't have. Don't ever stay with a man who his you even once."?
It's always "men, don't hit women, " or "no one will believe or help you" or "so I'm suing 17 years later."
Lot's of people agree it's bad for men to hit women. But I love the way Bruce repeats that it is NEVER OK many, many times and feel he is sincere and really wants men to hear him.
@@derpsnarf4052first off, like the person before me said, the message blames the one at fault, not the victim. Since you’re gonna be a dickhead tho, go watch 1:20:05 ish, he warns women to stay away from that type of man. That’s the thing though, he WARNS not BLAMES unlike you.
@@derpsnarf4052 You blame the abusers, not the victims. That's why, you white knight for pedos and wife beaters.
I’d love to see your opinion on the Vergilio Aguilar Menendez case. An 18 year old being charged with resisting and manslaughter after the officer had a heart attack.
That’s ridiculous! He would have had a heart attack at any time.
I'm not familiar with that case, but it certainly sounds interesting. Let's up vote this so Michael plans for Bruce to give commentary!
@@juliedaniels5594 Are you familiar with the details of the incident/case? I'm not, but it sounds interesting!
@@B_Bodziak it’s very recent, the prosecution alleges that the teen reached for the taser and tried to pull a knife, and that the subsequent struggle led to the heart attack.
Apparently he was being a bully cop and the guy was innocent
23:38 im so glad bruce pointed this out i hate when these channels try over analyzing every small detail of interrogations
Yes! Totally agree. There are some good TH-camrs who very persuasively debunk the whole "body language" business as complete paid expert witness junk.
Body language and deception analysis really is just an investigative police tool. It's rarely used as evidence in a court room. You would just impeach the witness with facts.
Yessss!! After the facts it's so easy to analyse things. It's so annoying. *confirmation bias, is that the term?
@@tessajones9393 100% confirmation bias
Or when they say she’s adjusting her collar and she’s CLEARLY adjusting her bra. 😂
Absolutely loving the longer format ( 1-2 ) hrs. Know you’re busy with your career & family life, but whenever you have the time please continue making the longer vids.
Really enjoy hearing your thoughts to a video vs. mine. You know more about the law than me, so i find it truly fascinating to hear your perspective.
Ty for all your hard work, i love watching your vids.
Thank you sir.
"If you're drunk on the side of the road get away from your vehicle as quickly as you" HAHAHAHAHA MR RIVERS YOU LEGEND
It's actually good advice. Would you rather there be another drunk driver on the road?
He had me laughing when he said this. Loving his longer reactions.
Your good man Charlie Brown! When I comment on videos like this about violence against women, as a woman, it’s not gonna hit guys the same way as when you say it. Plus you just say it more calmly than I do. I’m a survivor so I get a little bit riled up. I’m grateful to you for saying it often, with conviction, and with strength.
I like how he does not mince words or feelings. "If it gets too deep, just leave"
yeah, it sucks that for guys to listen to women, they have to hear it through another guy lol
@@jules8273 Right. It's ridiculous.
People are probably more likely to listen to him as an attorney with lots of experience beyond just his own relationships than simply because he's a man.
@@OuijaSTi valid.
My daughter was 16 when she was killed on August 3rd, 2020, and it changed my whole life. I ended up losing my job in law enforcement, and it is an unexplainable experience. Sad, I hate to see this.
I’m so sorry to hear this. 😢
I am making a bowel movement right now.
I hope things have been improving for you, and that you've been able to find some peace
I am sorry to hear that 😔 I don't what else to say.
@@leas7830 then shut up
That poor mother. I cant imagine the helplessness and heartache she went through.
I was 24 when I randomly met a guy and it was 100% jaw dropping love at first sight. We talked and I gave him my number. We went on a few dates, introduced eachother to the families... out of nowhere on a date he said that he beat his first wife and has like 1st degree assault on his record. I cut the relationship off that second. If a person has a history of cheating or violence, no thanks. Im 1/2 your size. Im not taking a punch. After I walked away from the relationship after explaining this he tried to break into my apartment a few months later. Dont let hurt people hurt you. Domestic violence goes both ways but I promise a punch from a guy will make you forget your 4th experience and piano lessons. Once a tone of violence is introduced once, RUN. it doesnt get better and escalates.
Btw. Still single. Your dads a dilf. Tell him to hit me up if hes single
You’re a smart woman ❤
@@Jtoe1985 history repeats itself, especially when theres just probation and no jail time.
Happy new years, darling
Great advice! Agree. Run.
I grew up in an abusive home (he was a cop) and my first memory was of him trying to kill my mom. He also abused me as well. I put an end to it when I (100 lb female) sent him on a 2 week stay at the ICU. Luckily, a friend of the family told him to not press charges on me or he would pay his team of lawyers to defend me in court. Bastard never touched mom or me again. But I still have PTSD.
While I have picked some lousy guys, they've not been physically abusive. Still, took myself out of the dating pool because I don't need any drama in my life. Now it's me, my cat and dog. Living a peaceful life cannot be appreciated enough.
@@wolfe6220CPTSD? What is the C for? Or that a typo
Hi Bruce and Michael! Thank you for always helping us understand the legal system. After watching you, I identify as a Lawyer!! HAHAHA! Hi Grandma!!!!! Keep up the shenanigans!!!
Thank you, Bruce, for strongly voicing your opinion about domestic violence. I’m now out of an almost 30 year marriage to a physically abusive husband. He’s still being passively abusive but I moved 1200 miles away so at least I don’t have the day to day, in my face, rages. He’s a retired Army veteran so he gets the benefit of the doubt and a lot of deference when it comes to the court system.
I pray you have peace in the coming new year ❤
Stay safe I hope everyone in your new home knows to look out for you
Can’t count how many fellow domestic abuse survivors I’ve known who were married/in a relationship with a current or previous military person who was extremely abusive. Also so many true crime stories the perp is so often former or current military.
So glad you got away, love. So so glad. Stories like ours often end in much more tragic ways. ❤
Be smart...stay strong.
I understand and am so sorry you have also experienced this grossly unfair trauma, my friend.
I love singing along to your intro song. Thank you for another great video‼️🔥
and even the outro haha
BUT WHO IS HE??
I thought I was the only one 😮
BRUCE RIVERS HE'S THE CRIMINAL LAWYER!!@@triple_gem_shining
Bruce rivers, he duh crimnl loyr.
I had a friend that came upon the scene of a traffic accident and discovered one of the vehicles contained her husband. She instinctively ran to her husband’s truck. She fought off officers in the process. Two minutes later she was cuffed and on her way to jail.
I think this mother, Darcie, handled herself pretty well considering.
I hope she wasn't officially charged with anything.
Unless she did something, you don't know lol. Going into a scene like that can fuck up the evidence and aid the criminal/truth. OFC it sucks but it sucks worse when you impede the finding of your husband/wifes killer. @@SaraHessXXIV
She handled it too well 🤔
Did he pass away?
@@KeljaSamiNation lol no!
OMG, not only did you get a new suit and tie, but you went over a million subscribers! Congratulations Bruce and Michael! 🎉❤😊 The two of you are a fantastic team.
God, if ever I needed an hour and 45 minutes of CLR, it was today. Thanks for making the holidays a little more bearable, Bruce and Michael! Happy New Years to y’all.
I hope your holidays get a little brighter and wishing you and your family a Happy New Year! May God bless you and your loved ones with a peaceful and healthy year ahead! 🤍🙏🕊️
You enjoyed this? It is something learned. I respect Mr. Rivers, as matter of fact, I was going to see if he would see a case in my state. I admire him. But, this was sad. The Rivers family have had some bad times themselves, so that explains his humor-I have the same at time. But, I couldn't watch the whole thing. But I do understand that you like to get his opinion on things. He is very helpful
What is CLR?
@@theorangebandit8632 CLR - Criminal Lawyer Reacts
@@theorangebandit8632
I believe It’s Criminal Lawyer
Reacts
The worst part of this story to me (and there are SO many) is the terror Livye must've felt before dying. He chased her down, kicked and beat on her car door and window, then shot her with a hunting rifle. Smh. He basically hunted her. It's a shame. Alcohol can make a bad person ten times worse. And that triflin' Mama of his probably never held him accountable for anything and is partly the reason why he is such a piss poor human to begin with.
I'm very sorry for Livye. But... when a hunter goes to prison for years and years, I open a bottle!
I lost my oldest, my son, on November 15, 2022. That gutteral, animalistic screaming upon finding out your child is gone, was hard to believe it was coming from my own body. Watching her hear the dreaded news that her daughter is gone made my stomach hurt. I'm glad she got justice for her daughter. Praying we get justice for my son too. I'm not very optimistic about it. But in reality it's not going to change anything for me. At the end of the day, my son is still dead & the trash who is responsible isn't.
Thank you for acknowledging that losing a child is unnatural. It certainly is unnatural to say the very least.
Wishing everyone a safe & healthy New Year.
I'm so sorry for the loss of your son.😢
Very sorry to hear this. May God send you peace.
That’s too sad, I pray you get justice.
😢 I’m so sorry.
That poor mom was made a spectacle with this, nobody can react well under these circumstances. What a tragedy.
Exactly. Anyone else would behave like this.
@@momof1576 not everyone. im not blaming her, but at some point, don’t you see you’re not getting anywhere by being argumentative
@@MrAgj200probably not, that’s a logical way to think, and someone in her position wouldn’t be thinking logically
Annoying ahhh mom. Gtfo
There’s a typical way to act and there are complexities of several combinations that blunt emotions and /or logic to a certain influential percentage.
Unfortunately or fortunately when a person has been through a series of tragedies in life that have resulted in perpetual loss they may do the opposite and be unusually calm and despondent.
It really depends on someone’s personality and how their resiliency or lack thereof shines through in their emotional reactivity. Substances and recent experiences can effect this too.
There’s not a true “well” I agree but accusing the police of covering up for someone is off the cuff regardless and may speak towards some ideological fringe or existing paranoia that is not born of the situation.
I’ve seen wild reactions from seemingly level headed intelligent people in the midst of tragedy & emergency. I’ve also seen unusual willingness to take orders from those typically opposed to being ordered around.
We as a society have an issue with the binary comparison of extremes and discounting that these are on opposite ends of a spectrum.
Placing extremes next to each other as an either or without considering the middle causes error in accuracy
I had lost my sister to suicide. She was 18 and while we were waiting for the coroner. The officers were giggling and laughing with each other talking about their vacation plans. I understand the need to separate ones self from the situation but, hearing them giggle and laugh while they were upstairs and we were down stairs trying to wrap our head around the situation. Felt a twist of the knife.
To be fair to them, they deal with this often. Your sister taking her own life shouldn’t be a drain on them. They have dozens of cases just like it. Being solemn all the time will make them quit in droves. Hell some might follow your sister’s example with a job this depressing. The world doesn’t revolve around you.
@@WadeAlmanah officers joke about cases all the time, there only so many necrophilia jokes you can hear in the morgue before you start to hate them.
@@WadeAlma dude show some respect. The man acknowledged that he gets you gotta distance yourself in that line of work. But you gotta read the room and realize there's a time and place to crack jokes. It was disrespectful to the family to be making light out of painful situation in their own home. Do that shit when you get outside at least.
He was showing how the ignorance of some cops during a difficult time can make it all a bit more heavy.
You sound even more like an asshole for referring to what his sister did as an example. Humble yourself. The world doesn't revolve around you.
@@WadeAlmaWhat a disgusting viewpoint. You can separate yourself from the situation while remaining professional. I work in healthcare, and I’ve NEVER and WILL NEVER be so callous when a family is grieving. Have some compassion. Or at least basic human dignity and class
@@lexirey430 Except they weren’t. They were not near them. They don’t need to act like everyone else’s current issues are theirs. Like damn. Imagine working in a place where you’re not allowed to be happy because someone else may be sad. Like if they were interacting directly then yeah, it’d be wrong. But they weren’t. This is why there’s so much burnout in medical fields. Expecting them to be constantly robotic. How insensitive of you.
Someone had said in another video, the best thing those officers could have done is been honest with the mom, and ask her to get any information she can about where she was, anyone she knows, etc. It keeps the mom busy while the cops work and helps the investigation. How they treated her was wrong.
Completely agree
"can I ask if my daughter is dead?"
"I dunno can you?"
😡😡😡
I loved the longer video❤Bruce and Michael Thank you so much for doing these and telling people how Domestic Violence is so bad and not worth it.And Bruce I like when you get disgusted and angry telling these guys and men,even girls and women to STOP IT.Trying to help this world to become a better place.LOVE THE CHANNEL.
I agree with all your comments in response to the analysis of the body language. There are so many possible explanations for why someone might act the way they do, and anyone who tries to say “they didn’t react exactly like this, so that’s suspicious” is just trying to find reasons to incriminate someone.
EWU and others are pretty clear in stating that it’s not just one behavior but a pattern and/or cluster that differ from baseline.
@PallasAndDove they also consistently contradict themselves in their videos. In one video, making a certain movement is indicative of guilt, and then, in the next video, not making that same movement is also indicative of guilt. There is a good reason body language isn't used in court. It's pseudoscience.
i really appreciate you calling out the body language analysis that explore with us does. the cases are interesting but his claims about what body language means are so preposterous to me that i can’t watch their videos without your commentary. thank you for always keepin it real, bruce! happy new year to you and michael ♡︎
ikr.. I roll my eyes every time they bring that up. "Here you can see the suspect move his left hand three inches from the right side of his head. That is widely considered to be a sign of Schizophrenia" Lol now I have no doubt that there are times when body language can be used to significantly aid an investigation, but I also have no doubt its and probably really obvious.
I'm happy to see others feels the way I do about their commentary. Most of it is such a reach and unnecessary. I mean if you can't even be correct about how someone shakes their head, how am I supposed to believe the rest?
Regardless of their attitude they are not reacting the correct way. They are angry: guilty. Not angry: also guilty
i hate it so much that i skip the 10 seconds where thy tell us who analysed the footage, because it feels like a joke.
dude seriously, just watching 2 dif vids back to back the contradictions are insane. lack of eye contact= lying
not breaking eye contact= lying
there’s so many more it’s the main one that comes to mind tho.
don’t forget “these are signs of anti social personality” ab literally almost every single criminal they feature.
plus they’re saying all this in hindsight, when they know the suspects guilty & been charged, likely been diagnosed w personality disorder(s), etc. id like to see their analysis on someone who’s innocent that displays the same signs they claim are all signs of “guilt” or lying.
So heartbreaking. I have a daughter who has been in a relationship similar to that. It is terrifying to lay in bed at night and pray for your daughters safety. 💔
The same bed I ley in every night. U said it best. 36:32 u have to have peace. 😢
Will you tell me the former abuser's first name and her first name? Or an initial, or any characteristic about each of them. I'll pray and send the best and most protective wishes and affection and security the way of you and your loved ones. I know the potential pain when a terrible person doesn't let go.
@@sashafierce9879 I am so sorry you are going through that. It is so hard to watch your daughter not have the strength to walk away from a monster. 🥺
@@autumn9729 She is finally free of that man. Best day of my life! Will you instead say a prayer for all women in that position to have the strength to walk away? 💝🙏
I know the feeling. My daughter was in 2 abusive relationships. Last one he crushed her cheekbone in. She needs plastic surgery now. My husband never laid a hand on me. I will never understand.😢
I love it when you are watching a video for the first time with us-! In addition to that, I think you are such an honorable, respectable and genuinely good man.
Remember they found her phone in his truck. I bet you $100, he was paranoid that she was seeing someone else. He got the shaft and was not happy.
Bruce & Micheal as a fellow survivor I keep you both in my heart & wish you all the best!
May you make another million subs this year.
May you make it up the west coast on two wheels.
May all your comment be kind!
You have the right amount of education, snarkiness, compassion, humor, expertise,. on this channel. Enjoy your channel. A big true crime fan and love all aspects of it, the trial, the legal stuff.
I had already watched this on the channel that originally posted this but I just Love watching you and your take on it all. I really look forward every week to what you're going to have next. Thank you to you and your Son for your presentations of the content. This is DEFINITELY one of my Favorite Channels
The same goes for watching Chris Hanson predator videos and then Bruce’s commentary on the same videos
Agree! I like the insight
Love the witness who came forth seeing Montana there at crime scene.SEE SOMETHING SAY SOMETHING!😇
Sames
@@spicyirwin5835I wonder if she was really there at the crime scene right after and if so would she ever get charged.. something isn’t right with her statements. Maybe she was really drunk and doesn’t remember. But something tells me she does and so did he.
Omg, I cried with her when they said her daughter was not alive.
Me too
Same :"3 It reminded me of the way I feel worrying and mourning about death
When I was 6 my older sister was taken and murdered. She was 14. My mother was never the same. I remember my mom being so loving before but after she had a hard time even looking at my and my brother. My brother wanted kids and really wanted a daughter to name her after our sister. Me…. No kids ever ! Watching the life long pain my mother felt every day until her last day alive was horrible. It was just impossible for my mother to find joy and happiness after. I never wanted to love something that much.. crazy stuff..
I'm so sorry for your family's loss. I can't imagine the pain you went through and your mother.
My parents were never the same either. My brother, one of six, was 17 when he was killed in a single vehicle car accident. Our family was devastated. I never had children.
It is a love that I couldn't even imagine you could feel for anything before I had my first baby. And then I was like, ohhh I see now. That's why moms say their children are a piece of their heart running around outside of their body running around in possible danger. My mother-in-law had a child that died of Spina Bifida in the early 80s, and told my husband don't ever have kids. You will spend all your time worrying about them.
I'm so very very sorry about what happen to your sister and all the pain that came from that horror , so sorry. I have 3 children and 6 Grandchildren and I'd not be able to go on if anything happen to them. I've said many times , that if anything happen to your child , how could u go on but U would have to if U have other children but I don't know how U do , I'm so very very sorry and I hope U and your brother r ok and that I get to be the very best Aunt in the whole world .
Dude, sorry, but it's always the parent's fault.
For 2 years, I literally had to wake up at 5am in the morning to walk my dog for 2 hours, so he behaves until I come home *(regardless of rain or snow or heat wave...). You just get up in 5am & do what you supposed to do.
And I had to do the same after coming from work.
And I cooked for both of us....
And my mom was around during the day. & We had a nice/big backyard....
My point is, People don't spend 4 hours a day with their kids.
In a few hours a day, a kid can learn to read in 10 languages.
Unfortunately the bad parents are always blaming the Society & School System, or parents & husband.
Over 100 minutes of Bruce & Michael, what an awesome NYE gift! Respect.
Yeah! That's amazing! What a gift. Thank you Bruce. I pray you had a good Christmas with your family as well as everyone else watching this.
I second that !
Agree 💯
oh i didnt realize the guy on the hospital bed was micheal.
I've tried listening to this episode a bunch of times and I just can't. Her pain and rage are too raw for me to deal with. I just keep thinking how I'd react if it were my kid.
Thank you both for being upstanding, chivalrous men who always promote and advocate respect towards women Mr. Rivers and The Content Genius.
I cannot imagine this mom's terror and just absolutely frantic need to find her daughter. It's unfathomable
These long videos are the BEST!!! Love the intrigue and your response all the way through. More please! 😃
17:40 That’s actually a fantastic handling of the family. It’s extremely difficult, but his demeanor and wording are perfect. So fantastically done. Any more or less will fall apart.
Nearly two hours of CLR?? Heaven!! I listen while I do chores. Thank you, Bruce and Michael!!
Bruce, I live in rural Australia. We never lose our car keys 'cos they're always in the ignition, and we always lose our house keys 'cos it's so long since we needed them to lock up. Things are different in the country.
Great episode. And utterly tragic and senseless. RIP to the victim and peace to the family. 🙏🏻☮️
I don't understand why an officer didn't pull her aside and explain that officers can't tell her anything because it could jeopardize holding the person(s) responsible for her daughter's death. THAT is something a mom would probably understand.
"You just dont put you hands on a woman .... I don't know how many more ways to say it"!~CLR BR 2023
Couldn't agree more!!!
I think he was jealous, she moved on, with out him
Losing a child is the absolute worst thing a parent can go through, regardless of the reason. We loat 2 within 24 hours and the only thing I'm thankful for is that we were able to hold them when it happened.
This one was awesome to watch with Bruce’s commentary. You two are a gift to TH-cam and deserve all the success
They were terrible to this Mom. How they dealt with her at the scene, how they informed her of the death- outrageous.
I know. They could have told her, "we are doing all we can do, we are so sorry." They did terrible comforting her and explaining that to gather evidence they needed her to leave.
@@labrigful what are they sorry for though? they should have told her nothing and be quiet.
she may well have been the perpetrator. they are not councillors they are there to solve the crime and contain the scene and she is the only problem they seem to be having.
A councillor is a member of a council. It's counsellor@fuzzjunky
@@susannehunter4017 if you're saving your good grammar for youtube it's a very sad indictment on your own life
Yes, in rural east Texas, lots of people leave keys in cars... it took me YEARS to unlearn this. Or even to lock my front door. In college, i woukd come home to my apt often to friend's or neighbors in my living room who were locked out waiting on their roomates, because they knew i never locked the door. Comforts of growing up in small country towns
Hey Bruce and son. I love these long reaction videos. Makes my night at work fly by.
I agree. This was excellent. More like this please.
Wishing you, Michael and your daughter …… but mostly grannie ….. a happily and healthy new year. Hoping grannie and her posey stay out of the slammer. Keep the E sign close, ladies!
😂😂😂
Granny and her gummies!!!
@@carlamarlene2927 I’m 77. I relate to Grannie and the ladies.
Heartbreaking to watch this mother. Thank you for covering this one. I feel like the mom knew all the answers to the questions she was asking the police. May she rest in peace 🕊️
This is so sad. I feel so bad for Livye's mom. It is a mother's worst nightmare. God bless her. I hope she finds comfort in something.
Why didn’t the cops pull her aside and just explain to her what’s going on. What’s the point of standing there ignoring her?
That’s the mother of the child. She deserves respect.
Okay I just seen bruce’s explanation for this but as a mother… I just think the cops could be slightly more communicative and compassionate for her
So don't defund the police. Fund more training and equipment, gotcha. Common sense@@Allofmylove
@@SM-nz9ff and what police were actually defunded? Literally no department has been defunded. Maybe actually research before spewing your boot licking talking points.
When my daughter was born, she laid very still on my chest when they placed her there and wasn't breathing well. They took her away immediately and from then on, I felt so much anxiety and distress not knowing how she was. A nurse came in my room, and I asked how my daughter was and she said, a doctor will be in soon. That certainly did not ease my anxiety but increased it. The next time a nurse entered my room, I asked again and was given the same response. So instead, I asked the nurse, is she breathing? To which she told me that they had her on oxygen. Ok great. Shes alive. now I can breathe just a bit better. How hard is it to just simply say someone is alive? Leaving a mother in the dark is so cruel. That kind of stress can cause a situation to escalate in so many different kinds of ways depending on how an individual copes with their stress. Darci Bass, I am so sorry your baby was taken away from you. I am appalled at how law enforcement handled your situation. Justice was the least that could be done here.
And He looked legitimately SHOCKED
when He’s told how she got 25:00
I think He’s been setup
How’d he dust her and then just leave himself setup perfectly passed out with the weapon and ready to be caught ??? 🤔
No bueno
Makes No sense
I think they’re turd Po and not even looking at the possibilities
He may have done it
I’m still watching but I don’t think he did it and left himself there
Like WTH
“Who leaves their keys out in their car?”
Bruce… don’t call me out like that 😅
My husband does when we go to the farm where he grew up. Small town and it’s no joke they don’t lock their doors either. I’m a city girl and it drives me crazy that the keys are in our car when we go visit. It gives me anxiety. The door unlocked, gives me major anxiety. I would get up after everyone was asleep and lock the door. They finally started announcing the house is locked up for the night when I was there. All in good fun. I wouldn’t go get the car keys after everyone went to sleep because of coyotes. The life of a city girl who marries a country boy…lol. It’s been fun!!!!!
I leave my keys and wallet in my car all the time. But then again, this is a rural area.
This one hits close to home. Happened in my neighborhood and it shook the entire area. Tragic and heartbreaking.
😢
I grew up rural. It was common practice to leave the keys in the car when you got home. First off, nobody ever came in the middle of the night to cruise endlessly miles of dirt road and blacktop… but often someone else in the house would need to use the car later (you can’t just walk down to the corner store for a loaf of bread or pack of smokes) and it was just was easier to hop in and use the car than to wake someone up, or track them down on the back 40 to see if they forgot the key in their pocket…
My sister's son was murdered 6 years and 8 1/2 months ago. April 2016. She still struggles everyday. He left 2 children behind having no father/ dad in their lives.
I piss my girlfriend off by asking her who Bruce Rivers is and asking what's he do right after! She doesn't watch these videos so she always forgets I Crack myself up!
😂😂😂
Aw, she probably doesn't get pissed off at you. You're her lil' rascal.
wtheck.. why would she get mad at that..
@@BEAUTYnIQ she probably doesn't actually get angry, probably just annoyed.
😅😅😅😅
I love this longer format, Bruce! Thanks so much!
“My ride’s here!!!!” Just EPIC Bruce! ER nurse here after a very long shift
Thank you for your hard work every shift. ❤️ I'm just starting this episode too.
I cannot imagine loosing a child, but I somehow pray that my reaction might be somewhat different than Darcie's. Did the cop really think that, by standing there staring at that Mother not saying a damn word, they were helping anything? Jesus!
That was awful to watch… all of them just standing there staring at her, like she was speaking a language they didn’t understand. Not one cop could step forward and say “Ma’am, there’s been an incident. I’m very sorry to have to tell you that your daughter is no longer with us. This officer (literally pick one) will take you to the station, and a detective will meet you there shortly to speak with you.” What would have been so difficult about that?
@@DottyDonut I doubt she would have went. This was likely going to be the outcome no matter what they said, but I do agree they should have attempted. But you have to see it through their perspective, they don't want to say something their not supposed to. They were probably told they weren't allowed to engage with any possible relative.
and YOU need to see it from the dead girls mothers perspective. Compassion is not your thing, is it.@@baneh1329
@@baneh1329plus she knew Mathew was there. Cops don't want Mom going off half-cocked and take justice into her own hands. I agree thwy could have been less cold about the way they told her and more forceful on taking her to the station to discuss things. Their hands could have been tied with their own orders from a superior.
@@9babyblu almost certainly they were, which would be a bizarre situation.
I've been watching EWU since the beginning and it's so much better with Bruce Rivers explaining the little details I'd never have thought of in a million years!
Every time Bruce says, "Don't EVER put your hands on a woman!" a man somewhere thinks twice, and keeps his hands to himself. ❤🔔👋
You would hope so, but there are bad people on the planet who don't go by the same rules and can't keep their hands to themselves.
It's why so many women have to wear burqas, it's to hide from creeps who can't control themselves. Even though the women are the ones blamed for being attacked anyway.
If my ex had had a gun, I wouldn't be alive today. It wasn't like he didn't try a bunch of other stuff that he could use, I'm tougher than he thought.
lol, unfortunately at the same time there are also a dozen men's right activists who whine about how women sometimes hit men though (which in their mind makes it okay to beat women). So it's a give and take.
It actually made our evening. Hey, it was a 2 hour video on a Saturday night...
@@adoredpariahwhat if everyone kept their hands to themselves
@@adoredpariahYou're sure that's a thing? Sounds like BS to me.
The ppl under EWUs video are ....wow. the way they talked about this mom being like this... the cops dragged their feet with her, left unbearable lengthy periods of silence for this poor mom to stew in. They couldve been sympathetic from getgo and said "listen, we wanna get justice for u and ud daughter, let us do that without the pressure of having u here." The way the man in brown vest came and said. They could've sped up the process not wait half hour for that man to come. They handled it horribly....
As we say in my language: "From behind your can look a cow in its ass". It is easy to look at this from a distance and see and tell the better option. But in reality they are doing an already stressful job, investigating the gruesome murder of a young lady, and there comes the mom screaming her head off.
"there comes the mum screaming her head off !!!! " after hearing that her daughter is dead in the car in front of her. I hope karma gets you soon you horrible person.@@TinkerTaylor-zv1ml
Or she could have lost her shit and tried to force herself into the scene
Yeah, this kind of content doesn't always bring out the best people.
Obviously not true for everyone, but still.
what language is that? I love that saying
I had to take Rules of Evidence twice. That’s why Habba pisses me off…. I value being smart. I sent your podcast to my law school mentees. My law school professor for Professional Responsibility had us watch a John Grisham movie and cite every violation (federal judge, FL teaching in MI). We came up with 2-5 pages. He accepted 16-31. You are that great and thank you for sharing. 👊🏿 I am white collar, I don’t pretend to know much beyond law school or the rare mediation 😅. You rock ✊🏿
1:24:05 That's one things. People often ask witnesses after the fact, "Why didn't you do anything?"
But this guy makes a good point. So you do something, but you know that, the next week, or a 'i'm sorry', later the two people are back together and suddenly you are the 'bad guy' for trying to come between them.
You tell a guy he should not beat his girl, and the girl will get upset with you for traying to break her up from this amazing guy that is really wonderful if he isn't drinking.
Exactly 💯
"you are the 'bad guy'" to whom? You're more worried about how you are perceived by a sick couple trapped in a sick relationship than about what you are in reality.
"the girl will get upset with you," who gives a fuck? Let her be upset all she wants. At least you did your part.
@@bloodyivy7453 Yeah, no.
I didn't post this in my original comment because it was already too long as it is. But my sister, and therefore i indirectly, experienced something like this.
A cousin (is that the right word? Daughter of my mom's sister) of ours. Got into trouble with her family. Moved out.
Then my sister met her and they talked for a bit. You know, how are you, what are you doing now, bla, bla.
Then a month or so later, our cousin reconciles with her family and moves back home.
The kicker? her family somehow found out, maybe even from our cousin, that my sister talked to our cousin for a bit.
And somehow that was perceived as my sister taking our cousin's side in 'the conflict'.
So, our cousin was back home, and her family that we visited once a week before, hasn't talked to us since, which is decades ago now.
So yeah, you will be the bad guy as long as the person themselves are not ready to move on.
@@m.h.w.weckselerwith ppl like that, youre not missing much..
I watched this the other day. Only watching it again because I LOVE learning the law about things from you.
Juat found this , channel and love that you're reviewing the same videos ive been binge watching for the last week.
Bruce and Michael happy New Year to you guys when it comes! You guys are fantastic I’m blind and listen to your videos here in Ireland where I’m from. So entertaining and I watched some of the police videos on other channels, but you give me more insight with your comments Would love to have a pint if you’re ever in Ireland
The polygraph examiner trying to wear her down after he didn't even administer the test correctly is mind blowing!!!
Not sure why she wasn't lawyered up.
Yeah, but the video footage of her retelling the story is valuable, whereas the polygraph is not. It's merely a tool or excuse to re-question the person to see if they contradict earlier statements.
Polygraphs are complete snake oil
He's not even a polygrapher😂and😢
😂 I haven’t heard the saying “raising Cane” 😂 since my grandmother was living! Lol love it
Enjoying this long episode while sick. Thanks for the content Michael and Bruce. Really important messaging in these situations and i pray none of us will have to go through this.
I bet it wasn't Montana that the witness saw at the crime scene. It was Cindy, his mom. Here's my theory:
Matthew followed Livye in his buddy's stolen truck. Matthew tells Montana that Livye is dead before actually killing her (the phone is in the truck with no blood on the phone or truck). Matthew kills Livye while Montana is telling Cindy about the message from Matthew. Montana doesn't want to go there cause she's scared of Matthew having been recently threatened and choked, but Matthew wouldn't shoot his mom, so Cindy goes in Montana's car. Matthew won't leave cause he's wasted drunk and too heavy for his mom to move.
Great original video made all the better with great insights from you 🍻👍
You are a true man Bruce. Little and insecure men cannot control themselves. I admire that you often give a moral to the situation.
I found Colby's Pearson's testimony the most gut wrenching because he literally says nothing could of been done to change the outcome of what happened. Mathew's escalating behavior was apparently acceptable to everyone who witnessed it. And apparently there was no way for Mathew to see that he could be happy if we was willing to do the work to make that happen.
Thinking about being in this parents position nearly brought me to tears. My heart goes out to the mother and family.
I just discovered your channel a few weeks ago. I've seen many of the cases, but I find your insights very interesting and I totally resonate with your delivery. Great work! Thanks.
Coddling mothers who avert responsibility for their son’s behaviors create abusers. Girls, pay attention. Thanks Bruce and Michael! Happy New Year.
@adoral.libertucci2647 This!!!! Why do women not realize this. My mother is a NICU nurse and once had a woman whose baby was in the NICU who’d visit with her 4 years old son. Whenever he didn’t get his way or like what his mother said, he’d slap, punch, or bite her. He was neurologically typical, no syndrome, just a little 💩. My mother finally said to her, “What are you going to do when he’s 16 and twice your size?” “If my son did that to me, he’d do it once and it would be the last thing he’d ever do.” The mother’s answer was that her son didn’t mean it and he was just acting out. At that point my mother had lost any respect for her and told her she deserved whatever he did to her in the future because she was creating a monster and that she was also responsible for any future women her son abused. The stupid woman just stammered about how he was so small and just a baby. Yeah, that’s how you create an absolutely worthless individual.
Absolutely! And with the advent of the horrifically toxic 'Boy Moms' movement on TicTok, these kinds of tragedies are only going to happen more often than ever before.
there are just as many "enabling fathers" as there are "coddling mothers". so many "real men" will pat their son on the back for having sex with a high number of females, getting said females pregnant cuz men love for their lineage to continue, for getting in brawling fights, for getting absolutely trashed on alcohol, for being able to shoot a gun etc....they turn the other way when their son beats on a woman because they feel the woman has earned that smack on the mouth for back talking or not doing as she was told. so for clarity sake, you should edit your comment to read "coddling mothers AND ENABLING FATHERS".
@34rd-uv9nc Didn’t hear anything about the murderer’s father. Only about his coddling mother. So how would talking about his father that we know nothing about be relevant. Such a dumb question.
@@adoral.libertucci2647Blaming mothers only for their children's behavior is an old, outdated position in psychology (see "refrigerator mothers" supposedly causing autism). It's ignorant to say "girls, take note" without also adding: Absent and/or abusive fathers are also strongly linked to their children's misbehavior - boys, take note.
An officer that knew her should have gathered them and told her what they could and beg her to not damage the case against someone. But they left her storming around and didn't de-escalate. Callous treatment
Yep, maybe they choose to stay stone cold as to not escalate but it comes across as harsh given the cicumstances.
Yeah. I understand trying to delay the notification, but once she was there, he should have taken her aside and told her straight up. The delay comes off as cruel and callous.
@@discernthetruthhe didn't say that. He said "she runs the risk of being arrested and that's probably what's just about to happen"
@@discernthetruth they should not have informed her anyways before that. An arrest is probably a good solution.
@@LadyLuck13 At 13:01 "Arrest her Ass, and take her away." You don't want the Crime scene contaminated.
"Oh my rides here" Lol Bruce.
I'm so excited for these long ones.
People that get angry when they drink should never drink. You never know how bad they are going to snap.
46:48, 'Oh, my ride's here'...Haha, I love you Bruce! Been a fan since the days you were able to reply to my comments! Love the beard too.
If you want to see some hilarious self-snitching, check out the Dan Markel murder case, specifically the Adelson family’s recorded jailhouse calls. And these people have money, education, and a lawyer in their family.
Agreed
Love the channel and the perspectives of the law that are raised. This channel educates folks on all the things your parents never knew or knew to convey.
As you stated in a previous video, one does not have to deliver the death blow to be eligible for a murder indictment. The mere involvement in the act that leads to a death makes one equally culpable. Understanding that premise, how is it the people convicted in the January 6 riot are not also charged with the deaths that occurred during the riot?
Because the only person who died not from natural causes was the girl that a cop literally executed. She had no weapon and the only thing she was guilty of is trespassing and maybe not even that since the doors were opened by officers.
I leave my keys in the car all the time.. then I freak out because I can’t find them anywhere.. so I’ve started to just check the car.. and I’ve found them in the ignition every time 😂😅
My 5 y.o. niece was killed when some idiots shot up the wrong house back in 2014 (I've come to terms with it, she's our angel now). Losing one's child is the most unnatural & heartbreaking thing we can go through as humans! I can tell you that that girl's mom wasn't thinking rationally at all! There is no rationale when it comes to the death of someone's child, no matter how old they are!