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And according to the book on the incident. Langsdorf shot himself wrapped in the Flag of the Imperial German Navy and NOT in the flag of the Nazi Movement! He was of the old school of German Naval Officers. Unlike Lutyens he was honourable. Treated Officer Prisoners with respect and dignity - even when Graf Spee was under 8" and 6" fire! He obeyed International Maritime law and the law itself. Lutyens did not!
@@stephenfarthing3819 I assume you’re referring to Günther Lütjens. From the Bismarck survivor book I read, he was much less respected than Lindemann on the ship
It's being asserted that the scuttling charges were torpedo warheads. I did a brief search but couldn't find any confirmation or otherwise of this, but it seems quite possible?
Imagine the Graf Spee using the largest device available(it's own torpedoes) as scuttling charges, why not? Especially given the incredible amount of detail otherwise found in this video about the lessor known sister ship.
Yes and No ... They DID use torpedo warheads, but only as a TRIGGER, due to the ability to set them on timers, but the main scuttling charges were the powder and shell magazines under the three main turrets (they'd only recently resupplied from the freighter Altmark, including fuel, food and ammunition). And since they opened all the bulkhead doors any explosion and fire would propagate to all OTHER magazines as well, like the ones for the 5.9 inch turrets, as well as to the fuel tanks.
Graff Spee torpedoe stores were wired into the scuttling charges to make a proper job of making sure nothing could be salvaged from the shallow water at the mouth of the river where Graff Spee was sunk.... As our ships were sunk at Pearl Harbor inside the shallow waters, and thus able to be raised and salvaged and sent back into battle against the Japanese.... By adding the warheads of their torpedoes to the power of their scuttling charges they could blow the bottom right out of the Graff Spee so she could never be salvaged....
My Great, great uncle Fred Billinge was on board the Jervis Bay when she was attacked by Admiral Scheer. He was lucky to be rescued after the Scheer sunk the ship. The Jervis Bay had a few 6 inch guns installed and was then named a "Cruiser" Just a patched up merchant ship. Very very barve actions.
Those of the German Commerce Raiders were old school German Navy instead of NAZI'S and treated the seamen they took prisoner within the rules of war.... The target ships were given the chance to surrender and leave their ships in lifeboats.... And even when they tried to send out their SOS and position Langdorf targeted the radio shack or weapons mounts and not to sink the crews with the ships.... More allied seamen prisoners were killed by British guns firing on Graff Spee then by German guns firing on the merchant ships....
I wish we would talk and write as much about the people who were killed on those cargo ships as we do about tonnage sunk. This vid is much more balanced in that direction than most that I have watched.
Yes, I hate it when I see all those 'historians' expressing admiration for the bravery and for the U-boat crews, always overlooking the merchant marine on the cargo ships that were killed by the torpedoes fired at them from below the waterline in the dark
@@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 But she was NOT torpedoed, she was scuttled by the crew using standard procedures which included self-denotation of internal torpedoes.
There's an apocryphal story about how some of the Graf Spee's steel was later used to make the frames and slides of the Argentinan Ballester-Molina .45ACP pistol.
@@TheBrettWay Ah I understand your point now, I'm certainly not deprecating him whatsoever only I'm in my mid 50s and it's simply a custom. Best wishes.☘️📚
The Talboy , which was an earthquake bomb , like its bigger brother , the Grand Slam , was not designed to directly hit its target , but to explode close by and create a destructive shock wave ; besides destroying multiple fortified German bunkers , which were supposedly bomb proof , this weapon was also employed to sink the Tirpitz . The bouncing bombs ( Highball ) used by The Dambusters ,worked on a similar principle .
I am sorry , but I feel obliged to rectify two misconseptions in the comment. The inro of the film does not show one of Admiral Zenker`s ships, it is either the Scharnhorst or the Gneisenau.A further misconseption is, that Captain Langsdorff has been baffled by missightings of British battle cruisers and berlin ordered the self destruction. Hitler expeced the attempt of a breakthrough to Germany and in case of mess, the doom of Graf Spee in battle. The real cause, why captain Langsdorff decided to sink Graf Spee was that the diesel filters had been desperately damaged during the battle of the La Plata River by splitters impossible to repair in Montevideo in time time of ultimatum set by government of Uruguay.So Langsdorff decided to sink Graf Spee himself ( like he has klearnt as young officer in he battle of Jutland) saving the life of his subordinates. keep in mind please Admiral Graf Spee fired nearly 40% of her 28cm calibre armour penetrating shells,
The interesting part of the Graf Spee and the decision not to fight the way back to Germany was that one of the British hits during Plate destroyed the ship's bakery. Now in nearly all other situations this would be a 'So??' situation. In the context of being alone and half the world away with no supporting facilities suddenly turned this into a significant problem and, it is claimed, one of the more significant reasons for not attempting breakout back to Germany.
The captain of this ship was very good at anticipating the allied responses to his actions, but he was also extremely lucky.. Throughout this whole vid, I kept thinking “man, this ship did a LOT of damage to allied shipping”, but then I’d remember that the U.S. alone produced 2700, 14,000 ton liberty ships, and over 500 victory ships.. that’s just the U.S., not including ships built by the Royal Navy, Canadian navy, Australian navy and so on .. this ship barely made a dent.. all the tonnage it either sunk or repatriated was but a drop in the bucket.. I know if you add the tonnage this ship sunk, along with all the tonnage sunk by U-boats and other surface ships, it is DEFINITELY a sizeable chunk, but like Dom says in the first fast and furious movie (the only good one imho), “it doesn’t matter if you win by an inch, or a mile.. winning is winning” .. the Germans were close, but close wasn’t good enough lol
Near an hour about a ship and event every WWII history buff knew as a child but only the last few seconds are relevant to the title. BTW adding "Graf Spee" to that title would have increased clicks.
It is incorrect to state the Germans had better radar that the Royal Navy, Sheer just had a radar, which the Jervis Bay did not, had Sheer encountered a Royal Navy Cruiser, Heavy Cruiser or Battleship then Sheer would have been sunk.
General note, some of your initial photos are of a Scharnhorst class Battleship, not a Heavy Cruiser. They show 2 main battery turrets forward instead of the one turret on the Heavy Cruiser class you are discussing.
Which ones?! I must be blind because I thought I double checked! Unfortunately as I was making this video I came to find out that a lot of Google images / forum / Facebook pictures are mis-identified. Appreciate you watching though and have a great week :)
@@Fuchs_Des_Ersten ahh I see now thank you, so the video footage. Ya that was just newsreel clip from the 40s that was supposed to be demonstrating the Graf Spee’s battle
One of the pictures of a ship called a pocket battleship had two triple turrets on the forward deck of a warship. This could NOT be any of the Deutschland class cruisers as they had one triple turret forward of the conning tower/bridge and one aft.
That thumbnail made me double take, I saw a sort of optical illusion. The trees look like they're pretty close but i know even a small ship like that would probably look big in that setting.
one of the best war ship documentries ive ever listened to. but very bummed about the very end. wanted to see pictures of it getting burried and newer pics of parking lot location.
It’s kinda funny that these ships were designated as Armored Cruiser (Panzerschiff) and British calling it Pocket Battleships despite that they are the one who used the concept of Armored Cruiser before. Armored Cruisers were pretty much Generation Zero of Battlecruisers. They were Cruisers design to fight other Cruisers. Acting like a small Battleship.
Unlike Graf Spee and her sister ships of the Deutschland Class other navy's cruisers were not fitted with 11" guns hence the nickname of pocket battleships
@@johnbloomfield5705That’s why I said Armored Cruiser is more fitting. But it also can be call Battlecruiser. Scharnhorst does have the same guns compared to Graf Spee. Which at the time Bismarck still under construction. You can call this ship Battlecruiser as well. Plus, Judging based on Gun caliber to determine Battlecruisers were unreliable because Germans in WW1 made their Battlecruiser having an inch less caliber size than their capital ships. This is something that Graf Spee tick all of the Battlecruiser ticks. Especially for First Gen version. Fast, Have reasonable guns to kill cruisers, have enough armor to fight multiple cruisers. If we look at 1st gen alone. Alaska Class can also be counted in this as well. She was design to fight against cruisers like Takao Class, fast and have enough armor to fight Heavy Cruiser head on.
@@tsuaririndoku Battlecruiser is the description generally applied to far larger and heavier ships than the Deutschland class. These very large ships carried similar size armament to full battleships but were often more lightly armoured. Typical examples of ships correctly called battlecruisers were Hood, Repulse and Renown all carried 15" guns. Hood was by far the largest at some 46000 tons - over 4.5 times the weight of Graf Spee. I believe the term battlecruiser was originally used to describe a fast battleship not a heavy cruiser as you suggest
Under the terms and conditions of losing the Great War Germany was allowed to build ships up to 10,000 tons and armed with up to 11inch guns. The intent was this would allow them to build small 'coast defence' type ships of the type typical to many of the small 'token' navies of the time. These ships would allow Germany the dignity of being able to defend their own coastline, but not the offensive power to go out into international waters and annoy people. Germany then took the 'letter' of the restrictions (10,000 tons, 11inch guns) and utterly ignored the spirit of the restriction and made long ranged ocean going ships clearly intended for commercial raiding. Of interest is that there were Treaties (London and Washington, I am paraphrasing the fine print and which treaty did exactly what) that set the 'rules' for what was a Light and Heavy Cruiser, what guns they could have (6inch for lights, 8inch for heavy), how big they could be (10,000 max for heavy) and how many total each nation could build. So under those treaties the Panzerschiffs were 'illegal' ships, although since I don't think Germany signed any of those treaties (or was even invited cause at the time they were made Germany was still in the post Great War bad books) the actually 'legal' status is more a discussion point rather than a binding condition. In simple terms most of it was a mix of a pissing contest and playing with legal loopholes.
As far as I know it still hasn’t been located. From a Reddit comment: “The average depth of the Baltic is around 200ft/55 meters, so she wouldn't get in the way of shipping. If she did someone would have blasted the wreck. I'm pretty sure the fishermen of the area know where she is. They either don't care about the historical significance and it's just another obstacle to avoid, or aren't going to share the location because it's a prime fishing spot like most wrecks.”
Excellent and comprehensive history of a an over looked German battleship, well produced and presented. I would be very interested in more documentary's like this, of under reported WW2 navel battels.
@@gowdsake7103 Incorrect I genially think its a very good pice of work I;m ot a AI or some other bot , I think it was interesting to wash and I can understand to cinersiem in the automated world we now live in. But it is good.
This video is riddled with mistakes: Here is an example: A crowd of 20,000 watched as the scuttling charges were set; the crew was taken off by an Argentine tug and the ship (Admiral Graf Spee) was scuttled at 20:55.
Deutschland gettings renamed, it's bad luck renaming a ship, and seeing all the damage/time she was under repair, how many times.. renaming was definitely unlucky.
Hey could you do a video on the Mexican navy? I know its super obscure but It does have its interesting moments, like the first documented air attack on a boat.
I'm always disappointed to see videos purporting to be about the German commerce raiders armed with six guns in two turrets, but many of the video shots show cruisers or battleships of nine guns in three turrets. I'm sure the creators know the difference and could eliminate the views of three-turret ships from the presentation if they chose.
Good vid. But this is supposed to be in English, right? "Nearly missed" is NOT the same thing as a near miss. "Advancements" are not the same thing as advances.
Not bad as American in Afghanistan. Afghanistan without a navy, or airforce, or army tanks won. Biggest mistake of Bush . And the other Presidents that followed. So much for smarts.
only because the were forced to focus on raiding. You don't know what fleet in being is. You have no clue about naval warfare tactics. So don't go to TH-cam and put your uneducated comments out here without any context.
AND....the footage of a ship with two turrets at the front is supposed to be a pocket battleship? Hmm, how about the had one at the front and one at the rear. That footage is either scharnhorst or gneisenau. I had when they use stock footage that any person who has looked at this since childhood can go, HEY that BS, that's not a pocket battleship.
Pronunciation of German names leaves a lot to be desired here . Can't pronounce Ibiza either - MUST TRY HARDER . The repeated mispronunciation of Wilheimshaven is not only cringeworthy ; it grates on the nerves and devalues everything else in this video , given that the most basic things have been so blatantly wrong . Even non German words are mispronounced with buoy pronounced as boo-eh instead of boy . Truly awful .
First of all the picture at beginning is not a battleship, maybe a cruiser, the pictures supposed to be pocket BB is really Scharnhorst or Gniesenau and Graff Spee is pronounced Graf Spay!
Thank you outstanding keep up the great work I’m army but I love the Davie ha ha great job guys and I love the comments the really into it. Thanks guys for also teaching me over route USA turn off John Trump in van for president.
There is so much wrong with this video. The pictures showed two forward turrets, the pocket battleships only had one forward triple turret and one aft. Photos were of Scharnhorst. Graf Spree was not torpedoed in Montevidao, she was blown up by her crew. This is a disgrace, if you don't know the facts keep quiet.
Which pictures show 2 forward turrets when talking about Scheer? Genuinely asking as I checked before upload and have checked again and am not seeing what you’re referring to. As for the being torpedoed, if you listen I phrase it as “destroyed by torpedoes”, not torpedoed. She was scuttled using torpedo warheads
Again and again, american parttime historians are not able to put up a correct european maps, of the time period they try to report about. How can You achieve to put up a european map from the first world war, to describe convoy operations of the second world war? That is just foolish, man... Don't you have schools in the US?
I love odd ships and heavy cruisers. Thank God the Germans didn't wait to go to war. Had they had the amount of ships they had planned the world would be speaking German. Had they even just had the submarine force that was asked for would've possibly changed the outcome
Video doesn't say Graf Spee was torpedoed. Video states she was 'destroyed by torpedoes' - apparently the scuttling charges were torpedo warheads. (This was new to me)
Graf Spee was scuttled by order of Captain Langsdorff. Hitler had demanded that he take her out on a last ride against what was thought to be an overpowering British naval force. Graf Spee was NOT sunk by torpedo. Captain Langsdorff had three options. Stay in port and have Graf Spee seized and his crew interned, with the ship eventually being surrendered to the British Navy intact. Go out and fight the British, with the attendant loss of life for his crew and destruction of his ship. Spare the crew and prevent the Graf Spee from falling into British hands by scuttling her. He chose the last option and committed suicide as payment for his decision. Jesus kid. At least read the crap that is in Wikipedia on the Graf Spee before you make your videos.
s Ship did not leave harbor and be sunk by torpedo. Ship carried a skeleton crew out and scuttling charges sank it. To make such a critical error in your narrative speaks volumes. The Graff Spee being scuttled is THE main event of her entire voyage. Your ignorance of this event ruins any credibility Hidden History had in my mind . Correct this glaring error and learn to research and proofread. This means you must KNOW the topics, not just read an erroneous paper.
@@HiddenHistoryYT But she was NOT torpedoed, she was scuttled by the crew using standard procedures which included self-denotation of internal torpedoes.
@@HiddenHistoryYT the graff speed was scuttled not torpedoed first minute and this was already wrong spectacularly wrong nothing else can be taken as fact when this was either intentional for effect or just lack of research.
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Came for a buried ship Stayed for the legend of a tactical mastermind.
And according to the book on the incident. Langsdorf shot himself wrapped in the Flag of the Imperial German Navy and NOT in the flag of the Nazi Movement! He was of the old school of German Naval Officers. Unlike Lutyens he was honourable. Treated Officer Prisoners with respect and dignity - even when Graf Spee was under 8" and 6" fire! He obeyed International Maritime law and the law itself. Lutyens did not!
This is the version of his demise that I have read most often. Imperial German flag.
In addition, as a former officer, I'd also have made sure my division was treated with respect before accepting any favours. Cheers.⚓🇦🇺
@@stephenfarthing3819 I assume you’re referring to Günther Lütjens. From the Bismarck survivor book I read, he was much less respected than Lindemann on the ship
@@HiddenHistoryYT There was also many officers in the navy who were Jewish and they were saved along with their families were saved.
I think you'll find that Lutjens was not a nazi. The movie "Sink the Bismarck!" was not totally accurate.
As far as I know the Graf Spee was sunk by self rigged scuttling charges,NOT torpedoes.
It's being asserted that the scuttling charges were torpedo warheads. I did a brief search but couldn't find any confirmation or otherwise of this, but it seems quite possible?
Imagine the Graf Spee using the largest device available(it's own torpedoes) as scuttling charges, why not? Especially given the incredible amount of detail otherwise found in this video about the lessor known sister ship.
Correct
Yes and No ... They DID use torpedo warheads, but only as a TRIGGER, due to the ability to set them on timers, but the main scuttling charges were the powder and shell magazines under the three main turrets (they'd only recently resupplied from the freighter Altmark, including fuel, food and ammunition). And since they opened all the bulkhead doors any explosion and fire would propagate to all OTHER magazines as well, like the ones for the 5.9 inch turrets, as well as to the fuel tanks.
Graff Spee torpedoe stores were wired into the scuttling charges to make a proper job of making sure nothing could be salvaged from the shallow water at the mouth of the river where Graff Spee was sunk....
As our ships were sunk at Pearl Harbor inside the shallow waters, and thus able to be raised and salvaged and sent back into battle against the Japanese....
By adding the warheads of their torpedoes to the power of their scuttling charges they could blow the bottom right out of the Graff Spee so she could never be salvaged....
What a surprise! I was expecting the Scheer to have been scuttled, but she was indeed buried beneath a parking lot.
Yep it is crazy! Appreciate you watching & have a great week :)
Anyone wanting to see a buried ship watch the last 8 seconds for a picture of where it's buried.
Thanks thats all I really wanted to know!
Yea i was waiting to see a buried ship
best 54 minutes ive ever spent.. so fascinating i DID NOT expect that ending wow different times
It left my jaw dropped as well!!
You are kidding right ! AI ignorant and incorrect rubbish
speaking of buried, my eyes are buried so hard into your content. pls give me MORE
I do love to hear that
My Great, great uncle Fred Billinge was on board the Jervis Bay when she was attacked by Admiral Scheer. He was lucky to be rescued after the Scheer sunk the ship. The Jervis Bay had a few 6 inch guns installed and was then named a "Cruiser" Just a patched up merchant ship. Very very barve actions.
Those of the German Commerce Raiders were old school German Navy instead of NAZI'S and treated the seamen they took prisoner within the rules of war....
The target ships were given the chance to surrender and leave their ships in lifeboats....
And even when they tried to send out their SOS and position Langdorf targeted the radio shack or weapons mounts and not to sink the crews with the ships....
More allied seamen prisoners were killed by British guns firing on Graff Spee then by German guns firing on the merchant ships....
I wish we would talk and write as much about the people who were killed on those cargo ships as we do about tonnage sunk. This vid is much more balanced in that direction than most that I have watched.
Glad to hear! Appreciate you watching & have a great week :)
Yes, I hate it when I see all those 'historians' expressing admiration for the bravery and for the U-boat crews, always overlooking the merchant marine on the cargo ships that were killed by the torpedoes fired at them from below the waterline in the dark
The Graf Spee was NOT torpedoed!!! She was scuttled by her own (skeleton) crew. HUGE error right off
Torpedo warheads were hoisted vertically by ropes over magazines and fires were lit to burn through the rope.
@@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 But she was NOT torpedoed, she was scuttled by the crew using standard procedures which included self-denotation of internal torpedoes.
He said ‘she was destroyed by torpedoes at dusk’. He didn’t say it was torpedoed.
There's an apocryphal story about how some of the Graf Spee's steel was later used to make the frames and slides of the Argentinan Ballester-Molina .45ACP pistol.
@@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 thank you haha. Luckily I am used to TH-cam comments by now :)
Another interesting , informative episode. Super cool had no idea!
Thanks my friend! Been enjoying your content as well!!
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@@MrKen-wy5dk thanks for watching & have a great week :)
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@@TheBrettWay Ah I understand your point now, I'm certainly not deprecating him whatsoever only I'm in my mid 50s and it's simply a custom. Best wishes.☘️📚
@@DaveSCameron you are a good man
Are you taking the piss ! This is AI ignorant bollocks
Extremely interesting, thank you!
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You American by any chance ?
@@gowdsake7103 Absolutely!
Brilliant story!
Thank you Aaron!
Amazing how many troll accounts say this
The Talboy , which was an earthquake bomb , like its bigger brother , the Grand Slam , was not designed to directly hit its target , but to explode close by and create a destructive shock wave ; besides destroying multiple fortified German bunkers , which were supposedly bomb proof , this weapon was also employed to sink the Tirpitz .
The bouncing bombs ( Highball ) used by The Dambusters ,worked on a similar principle .
Highball was a different device, designed to be dropped from Mosquitos.
The munition used to destroy the dams (Operation CHASTISE) was codenamed UPKEEP.
Interesting
This ship sounds like it was very costly ship to operate.
I am sorry , but I feel obliged to rectify two misconseptions in the comment. The inro of the film does not show one of Admiral Zenker`s ships, it is either the Scharnhorst or the Gneisenau.A further misconseption is, that Captain Langsdorff has been baffled by missightings of British battle cruisers and berlin ordered the self destruction. Hitler expeced the attempt of a breakthrough to Germany and in case of mess, the doom of Graf Spee in battle. The real cause, why captain Langsdorff decided to sink Graf Spee was that the diesel filters had been desperately damaged during the battle of the La Plata River by splitters impossible to repair in Montevideo in time time of ultimatum set by government of Uruguay.So Langsdorff decided to sink Graf Spee himself ( like he has klearnt as young officer in he battle of Jutland) saving the life of his subordinates. keep in mind please Admiral Graf Spee fired nearly 40% of her 28cm calibre armour penetrating shells,
Very interesting and informative!
Thanks for watching and have a great week :)
She was not commanded to be scuttled ; that was Langsdorf's choice to save his crew ; his masters wanted him to go down fighting .
The interesting part of the Graf Spee and the decision not to fight the way back to Germany was that one of the British hits during Plate destroyed the ship's bakery.
Now in nearly all other situations this would be a 'So??' situation. In the context of being alone and half the world away with no supporting facilities suddenly turned this into a significant problem and, it is claimed, one of the more significant reasons for not attempting breakout back to Germany.
Great story. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you Taj
My uncle Ted was on the achilles at the Battle of the river plate
she was NOT torpedoed and sunk at the battle of the river plate she was scuttled by her own crew....
The captain of this ship was very good at anticipating the allied responses to his actions, but he was also extremely lucky..
Throughout this whole vid, I kept thinking “man, this ship did a LOT of damage to allied shipping”, but then I’d remember that the U.S. alone produced 2700, 14,000 ton liberty ships, and over 500 victory ships.. that’s just the U.S., not including ships built by the Royal Navy, Canadian navy, Australian navy and so on ..
this ship barely made a dent.. all the tonnage it either sunk or repatriated was but a drop in the bucket..
I know if you add the tonnage this ship sunk, along with all the tonnage sunk by U-boats and other surface ships, it is DEFINITELY a sizeable chunk, but like Dom says in the first fast and furious movie (the only good one imho), “it doesn’t matter if you win by an inch, or a mile.. winning is winning” .. the Germans were close, but close wasn’t good enough lol
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Near an hour about a ship and event every WWII history buff knew as a child but only the last few seconds are relevant to the title.
BTW adding "Graf Spee" to that title would have increased clicks.
Talking about the Admiral Scheer and showing mostly pics of the Speer...
❤ your content..Navy guy..😊
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you have to admit the members of the Kreig's Marine were very brave in those days
It is incorrect to state the Germans had better radar that the Royal Navy, Sheer just had a radar, which the Jervis Bay did not, had Sheer encountered a Royal Navy Cruiser, Heavy Cruiser or Battleship then Sheer would have been sunk.
Yay! You pronounced “Wilhelmshaven” correctly. It’s a miracle.
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Actually is a very long a, not a shorter a sound, but it was very good for a non native speaker
Excellent.
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General note, some of your initial photos are of a Scharnhorst class Battleship, not a Heavy Cruiser. They show 2 main battery turrets forward instead of the one turret on the Heavy Cruiser class you are discussing.
Which ones?! I must be blind because I thought I double checked! Unfortunately as I was making this video I came to find out that a lot of Google images / forum / Facebook pictures are mis-identified. Appreciate you watching though and have a great week :)
@@HiddenHistoryYT For example at 0:20. That´s the "Gneisenau". Again at 0:30 - "Gneisenau" or "Scharnhorst".
@@Fuchs_Des_Ersten ahh I see now thank you, so the video footage. Ya that was just newsreel clip from the 40s that was supposed to be demonstrating the Graf Spee’s battle
Graf Spee? Wow. Ok, done right there.
Why when they had the chance to take some of the ships with valuable cargo did they just destroy them?
Really had to get speed way up to get that far inland to bury it there.
One of the pictures of a ship called a pocket battleship had two triple turrets on the forward deck of a warship. This could NOT be any of the Deutschland class cruisers as they had one triple turret forward of the conning tower/bridge and one aft.
Mr. Rolanddunk is in fact correct about how that ship was sunken by the crews own hands.
That thumbnail made me double take, I saw a sort of optical illusion.
The trees look like they're pretty close but i know even a small ship like that would probably look big in that setting.
one of the best war ship documentries ive ever listened to. but very bummed about the very end. wanted to see pictures of it getting burried and newer pics of parking lot location.
27 knots is fast enough for those days
It’s kinda funny that these ships were designated as Armored Cruiser (Panzerschiff) and British calling it Pocket Battleships despite that they are the one who used the concept of Armored Cruiser before.
Armored Cruisers were pretty much Generation Zero of Battlecruisers. They were Cruisers design to fight other Cruisers. Acting like a small Battleship.
Yep haha. Appreciate you watching and have a great week :)
Unlike Graf Spee and her sister ships of the Deutschland Class other navy's cruisers were not fitted with 11" guns hence the nickname of pocket battleships
@@johnbloomfield5705That’s why I said Armored Cruiser is more fitting. But it also can be call Battlecruiser. Scharnhorst does have the same guns compared to Graf Spee. Which at the time Bismarck still under construction. You can call this ship Battlecruiser as well. Plus, Judging based on Gun caliber to determine Battlecruisers were unreliable because Germans in WW1 made their Battlecruiser having an inch less caliber size than their capital ships. This is something that Graf Spee tick all of the Battlecruiser ticks. Especially for First Gen version. Fast, Have reasonable guns to kill cruisers, have enough armor to fight multiple cruisers.
If we look at 1st gen alone. Alaska Class can also be counted in this as well. She was design to fight against cruisers like Takao Class, fast and have enough armor to fight Heavy Cruiser head on.
@@tsuaririndoku Battlecruiser is the description generally applied to far larger and heavier ships than the Deutschland class. These very large ships carried similar size armament to full battleships but were often more lightly armoured. Typical examples of ships correctly called battlecruisers were Hood, Repulse and Renown all carried 15" guns. Hood was by far the largest at some 46000 tons - over 4.5 times the weight of Graf Spee. I believe the term battlecruiser was originally used to describe a fast battleship not a heavy cruiser as you suggest
Under the terms and conditions of losing the Great War Germany was allowed to build ships up to 10,000 tons and armed with up to 11inch guns.
The intent was this would allow them to build small 'coast defence' type ships of the type typical to many of the small 'token' navies of the time. These ships would allow Germany the dignity of being able to defend their own coastline, but not the offensive power to go out into international waters and annoy people.
Germany then took the 'letter' of the restrictions (10,000 tons, 11inch guns) and utterly ignored the spirit of the restriction and made long ranged ocean going ships clearly intended for commercial raiding.
Of interest is that there were Treaties (London and Washington, I am paraphrasing the fine print and which treaty did exactly what) that set the 'rules' for what was a Light and Heavy Cruiser, what guns they could have (6inch for lights, 8inch for heavy), how big they could be (10,000 max for heavy) and how many total each nation could build.
So under those treaties the Panzerschiffs were 'illegal' ships, although since I don't think Germany signed any of those treaties (or was even invited cause at the time they were made Germany was still in the post Great War bad books) the actually 'legal' status is more a discussion point rather than a binding condition.
In simple terms most of it was a mix of a pissing contest and playing with legal loopholes.
Drowning Ship
Captain: Crew abandoned vessels now!!!
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SPEE RHYMS WITH BAY NOT SEE
has the wreck of Deutschland/Lutzow been found yet?
As far as I know it still hasn’t been located. From a Reddit comment: “The average depth of the Baltic is around 200ft/55 meters, so she wouldn't get in the way of shipping.
If she did someone would have blasted the wreck.
I'm pretty sure the fishermen of the area know where she is. They either don't care about the historical significance and it's just another obstacle to avoid, or aren't going to share the location because it's a prime fishing spot like most wrecks.”
i don't know much about ships,but seems they had not that much luck at all...
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Seeing the title, my first thought was UCHUU SENKAN YAMATO
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Turned into a parking lot... why am i so hurt by that?
A Keg of Beer Tumbled down 3 decks and there was no damage? Where do your priorities lie, Sir?
Excellent and comprehensive history of a an over looked German battleship, well produced and presented.
I would be very interested in more documentary's like this, of under reported WW2 navel battels.
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Amazing how many bought accounts say this !
@@gowdsake7103 Incorrect I genially think its a very good pice of work I;m ot a AI or some other bot , I think it was interesting to wash and I can understand to cinersiem in the automated world we now live in. But it is good.
This video is riddled with mistakes: Here is an example: A crowd of 20,000 watched as the scuttling charges were set; the crew was taken off by an Argentine tug and the ship (Admiral Graf Spee) was scuttled at 20:55.
Something about burying a ship?
the hms glasgow was a light cruiser not a heavy
Deutschland gettings renamed, it's bad luck renaming a ship, and seeing all the damage/time she was under repair, how many times.. renaming was definitely unlucky.
Graf Spee wasn't ordered scuttled by Berlin.
"They could outmaneuver faster, smaller ships." Huh? Please explain this.
...that ship is not a battleship...
Hey could you do a video on the Mexican navy? I know its super obscure but It does have its interesting moments, like the first documented air attack on a boat.
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I'm always disappointed to see videos purporting to be about the German commerce raiders armed with six guns in two turrets, but many of the video shots show cruisers or battleships of nine guns in three turrets. I'm sure the creators know the difference and could eliminate the views of three-turret ships from the presentation if they chose.
Good vid. But this is supposed to be in English, right? "Nearly missed" is NOT the same thing as a near miss. "Advancements" are not the same thing as advances.
Germany's WW2 surface battle record is one of the worst in naval history.
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Not bad as American in Afghanistan. Afghanistan without a navy, or airforce, or army tanks won.
Biggest mistake of Bush . And the other Presidents that followed. So much for smarts.
They tried to fight an enemy 10x their strength
only because the were forced to focus on raiding. You don't know what fleet in being is. You have no clue about naval warfare tactics. So don't go to TH-cam and put your uneducated comments out here without any context.
AND....the footage of a ship with two turrets at the front is supposed to be a pocket battleship? Hmm, how about the had one at the front and one at the rear. That footage is either scharnhorst or gneisenau. I had when they use stock footage that any person who has looked at this since childhood can go, HEY that BS, that's not a pocket battleship.
100 ft waves in the atlantic?
Um who fired torpedoes at the Grad Spree? Certainly not the British, lost me see ya
Pronunciation of German names leaves a lot to be desired here . Can't pronounce Ibiza either - MUST TRY HARDER . The repeated mispronunciation of Wilheimshaven is not only cringeworthy ; it grates on the nerves and devalues everything else in this video , given that the most basic things have been so blatantly wrong . Even non German words are mispronounced with buoy pronounced as boo-eh instead of boy . Truly awful .
First of all the picture at beginning is not a battleship, maybe a cruiser, the pictures supposed to be pocket BB is really Scharnhorst or Gniesenau and Graff Spee is pronounced Graf Spay!
Where is the buried sub.?
Part 2 can talk qbout the burial...
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There is so much wrong with this video. The pictures showed two forward turrets, the pocket battleships only had one forward triple turret and one aft. Photos were of Scharnhorst. Graf Spree was not torpedoed in Montevidao, she was blown up by her crew. This is a disgrace, if you don't know the facts keep quiet.
Which pictures show 2 forward turrets when talking about Scheer? Genuinely asking as I checked before upload and have checked again and am not seeing what you’re referring to.
As for the being torpedoed, if you listen I phrase it as “destroyed by torpedoes”, not torpedoed. She was scuttled using torpedo warheads
The image of the battleship being buried is totally false. You should be ashamed to use the fake image. Misleading at best.
Again and again, american parttime historians are not able to put up a correct european maps, of the time period they try to report about. How can You achieve to put up a european map from the first world war, to describe convoy operations of the second world war? That is just foolish, man... Don't you have schools in the US?
Huh?
What is wrong with the closed captions? They are. It accurate at all? Worse than usual…
I love odd ships and heavy cruisers. Thank God the Germans didn't wait to go to war. Had they had the amount of ships they had planned the world would be speaking German. Had they even just had the submarine force that was asked for would've possibly changed the outcome
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That is wrong , Graf Spee was scuddled not torpedoed. Get it straight!.
Why didn’t they torpedo the Jervise Bay??
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She wasn't a battleship
Diesel engines no turbines
Media click Picture isn’t a battleship…
was not torpedoed scuttled herself
Video doesn't say Graf Spee was torpedoed. Video states she was 'destroyed by torpedoes' - apparently the scuttling charges were torpedo warheads.
(This was new to me)
German supreme
Buoyed by Water-absorbing seeds ??? You have no idea what your saying ... Canadian "Cruiser" ???
Too many fing commercials. Crap
Please pronounce her name correctly
Watched up to 1:16. Already two major "errors". What rubbish :(
What errors
ailors shoo
clickbait as hell
What ship fired the torpedoes that sank the Graf Spee?
That was 54 minutes of un-necessary and boring waffle. No wonder your history is hidden, it is buried under miles of tedious talk.
Lmao
This is rubbish I was expecting a doco on a buried ship and how it was discovered
Graf Spee was scuttled by order of Captain Langsdorff. Hitler had demanded that he take her out on a last ride against what was thought to be an overpowering British naval force.
Graf Spee was NOT sunk by torpedo. Captain Langsdorff had three options. Stay in port and have Graf Spee seized and his crew interned, with the ship eventually being surrendered to the British Navy intact. Go out and fight the British, with the attendant loss of life for his crew and destruction of his ship. Spare the crew and prevent the Graf Spee from falling into British hands by scuttling her. He chose the last option and committed suicide as payment for his decision.
Jesus kid. At least read the crap that is in Wikipedia on the Graf Spee before you make your videos.
If you listen I say “destroyed by torpedoes” not “torpedoed”. She was scuttled using torpedo warheads
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Ship did not leave harbor and be sunk by torpedo. Ship carried a skeleton crew out and scuttling charges sank it. To make such a critical error in your narrative speaks volumes. The Graff Spee being scuttled is THE main event of her entire voyage. Your ignorance of this event ruins any credibility Hidden History had in my mind . Correct this glaring error and learn to research and proofread. This means you must KNOW the topics, not just read an erroneous paper.
She was scuttled with torpedos my friend
@@HiddenHistoryYT But she was NOT torpedoed, she was scuttled by the crew using standard procedures which included self-denotation of internal torpedoes.
@@dryflyshaman he didn’t say it was torpedoed, listen properly.
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That is atrocious AI art.
It wasn't a battleship and it was sunk in the harbour to help refill the river bank boom saved you fools 10 mins
That is mean Dave!
Click bait BS
Can't listen to this tripe any more. Every name of people and places is mispronounced. Bad AI! AI get no banana!
Well that took about 1 minutes to make me stop watching.
And why is that Edward
@@HiddenHistoryYT the graff speed was scuttled not torpedoed first minute and this was already wrong spectacularly wrong nothing else can be taken as fact when this was either intentional for effect or just lack of research.