1945: The Last Surviving Ancient Battleships of the Kriegsmarine

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  • @ImportantNavalHistory
    @ImportantNavalHistory  หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    Thanks for watching! I know I know, I messed up some German pronunciations, who would've guessed!?! It's not on purpose, I just mess up with other languages and sometimes my own, I'm only human. Which, some might say is an added bonus considering the amount of AI channels now.

    • @CliveN-yr1gv
      @CliveN-yr1gv หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I jsut searched for some American place names: La Jolla, Acequia, Hahira, Bucyrus ... I have no clue how to say these, so please don't concern yourself too much. FYI you were pretty close most of the time!😄

    • @ImportantNavalHistory
      @ImportantNavalHistory  หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Lol out of the places you named I can only confidently do Bucyrus off the top of my head, an excellent place to get some bratwursts and other sausages.

    • @max-imal8588
      @max-imal8588 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      You pronounced Schleswig-Holstein relatively well, but please never say Schlesien like that again xD

    • @kidmohair8151
      @kidmohair8151 หลายเดือนก่อน

      don't picnic...I mean, panic. (HH'sGTTG reference)
      now you know. it's what you do going forward that counts.

    • @brittakriep2938
      @brittakriep2938 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Les mots en langue allemand sont parlez bon. The words are not spoken perfect, but totally understandable. So schwierig ist Deutsch nicht, wenn man eine verwandte Sprache spricht.

  • @BHuang92
    @BHuang92 หลายเดือนก่อน +98

    It's ironic that the Schleswig-Holstein, the first to start WW2, was one of the last ships Germany had at the end of WW2.

    • @jamesricker3997
      @jamesricker3997 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      She was so old the allies didn't consider her worth sinking

    • @automatic6216
      @automatic6216 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      It's like that American dude from Virginia named Wilmer McLean.
      McLean lived near this place called Manassas Junction in Virginia where a small stream called Bull Run meandered about. That's where the Union and Confederate armies fought their first major engagement of the American Civil War.
      Wilmer, understandably terrified by this, packed up and left Manassas to settle in a more quiet part of the state, a place called Appomatox Court House - which is where General Lee surrendered to General Grant at the end of the American Civil War.
      The War started in his backyard and ended in his living room.

    • @brianmutcher9585
      @brianmutcher9585 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      It would have been great to preserve it as a museum ship

    • @brianmutcher9585
      @brianmutcher9585 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@automatic6216that was interesting story dude

    • @cliphound80
      @cliphound80 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I wish the Schleswig-Holstein survived to become a museum ship. I love her classic pre-Dreadnaught lines.

  • @TrangleC
    @TrangleC หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    My grandfather served on the Schleswig Holstein when it fired the first shots of the war, shelling Polish troops surrounding the city of Danzig.
    He later transferred to a Motor Torpedo Boat and he successfully had applied to become part of the Bismarck's crew, but luckily for him (and subsequently me), he got wounded shortly before transferring and another unlucky bastard took his place and went down with the ship.
    My grandfather's Motor Torpedo Boat crew refused to surrender when the war officially ended. They sneaked into a already allied occupied Luftwaffe base to steal ammo for their MGs and kept raiding allied ships for about 2 weeks after the surrender, without killing anybody.
    That was why they were "only" sentenced to 20 years of hard labor for "piracy" when they were eventually caught, but they were released early after 2 years because they had volunteered to clear sea mines.
    He had a pretty adventurous life. After being released he became a engineer working for a company that installed and maintained coffee and cocoa bean roasting ovens and traveled all over Africa, South-America and Asia in the 50s and 60s.
    Apparently he almost got jailed again for smuggling medicine into Haiti or something like that.
    His oldest son, my uncle, followed in his footsteps by becoming a merchant sailor and ending up living as a fugitive in Mexico, working odd jobs after beating up a police man while on shore leave.

    • @the_mistery1999
      @the_mistery1999 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Lol the hell is going on with your family backstory. Even with all that madnes still great

  • @CliveN-yr1gv
    @CliveN-yr1gv หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Thank you for researching and delivering this; another great doco. I love how older weapon systems/ships are re-lifed to make meaningful contributions to their fleets. We see it now, with older rifles being brought out of storage in Ukraine. I briefly served in a Centurion tank (they were introduced in 1945) that had seen service in Korea, Suez, and Germany, completing its last operational tour in Iraq. It had been part of a the Royal Tank Regiment as a 'gun' tank, then an artillery regiment (as an Observation Post Royal Artillery (OPRA Tank), and latterly as an Assault Vehicle Royal Engineers (AVRE). I believe it is now in the tank museum in Munsterlager. Maybe not that particular tank, but this type managed to provide useful (if troublesome and increasingly slow) service for almost half a century.
    Whether as training ships, target ships, or even battery ships, these three ships had long and interesting careers (regardless of which side they were on). Well done.

    • @ImportantNavalHistory
      @ImportantNavalHistory  หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Thank you for your kind words as always! It’s always interesting to see older technologies used long after their heyday. I can recall my grandfather discussing his Army training and the World War 2 equipment he was issued in the early 1960s. The rifles and vehicles weren’t exactly top notch for some Midwest national guard! Also, what a tour for that Centurion!

    • @gone547
      @gone547 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Regarding your comment on the Centurion. You left out the Australian's use of the Mark 5 in South Vietnam where it served for 4 years. Equally at home in the sands along the coastline, across the rice paddies, jungle bashing, to the hills and mountains within. In dusty searing heat, to the humid, muddy drenching monsoon, it gave an excellent account of itself despite reservations that were expressed before it's deployement. It saved many a bacon and struck fear into an enemy that learned not to tangle with it.
      An excellent tank that never let it's crew down or the infantry it supported. Even today, properly crewed, in certain scenarios it would be a force to be reckoned with.

    • @CliveN-yr1gv
      @CliveN-yr1gv หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@gone547good point. Thanks

  • @nxs3374
    @nxs3374 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thankyou. This is first video where I hear my Granfathers ship mentioned “ Hannover”
    That brought a smile to me. Thanks

  • @russeljohn3471
    @russeljohn3471 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Interesting and informative video. Thanks for all your hard work. 👍

  • @stevenwestswanson9263
    @stevenwestswanson9263 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Great Video!

  • @AnchoredPast
    @AnchoredPast หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Great video & Very well researched!!!! Howerver this is kinda gonna go off topic from the video. Its more of a request in a sense. I would like to put in a ship that can be added to the weird & wacky german list. I know I made a playful jab about the Scharnhorst-class Armored Cruisers being added, but this one is diffrent. I would like to suggest the SMS Blücher. She for all intensive purposes is a very weird design, and was the last Armored Cruiser to be commissioned in Germany. She was obsolete for her time even from the drawing board. Her turret configuration was that of a Nassau-class Battleship while only being 8in guns. But yet her armor held while facing Battlecruisers at the Battle of Dogger Bank, at least long enough to let the rest of squadron retreat. She was for everything its worth a very weird, and wacky ship.

    • @Legitpenguins99
      @Legitpenguins99 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      *intents and purposes. Not intensive purposes. I get it, I thought that for years because that's how it sounded to me

  • @jackcade68
    @jackcade68 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great episode! I enjoyed it.

  • @piergaay
    @piergaay หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Respect for the serious attempt to pronounce the German names!
    And for the interesting piece of history!

  • @tylermcneill
    @tylermcneill หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great video

  • @dandrakenholt5455
    @dandrakenholt5455 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Really interesting, good work. I will follow you!!!!

  • @raymondromanos1479
    @raymondromanos1479 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Schlesien is pronounced Schlay-zee-en. Otherwise great video. Keep up the good work.

  • @hazchemel
    @hazchemel หลายเดือนก่อน

    Really interesting story, thank you.

  • @ThePeterd13
    @ThePeterd13 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My grandfather (mother´s father) served as an officer aboard the Schlesien - he accidentaly went overboard in heavy seas and was never found again.

  • @stefanurich8562
    @stefanurich8562 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    You forgot to mentio SMS Goeben, a battlecruiser which was in service until 1973 in the turkish navy

  • @matthewnewton8812
    @matthewnewton8812 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The German pronunciation rules for ie/ei are quite simple. Once you know them, you can pronounce any German word where it appears. If the grouping is “ie” it’s pronounced “eee”. If the grouping is “ei” it’s pronounced “aye”. And also the “s” followed by a vowel is typically propounded like the English “z”. So Schlesien would therefore be “shlay-zeen”.

    • @RayyMusik
      @RayyMusik หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No, Schlesien is an exception; the e doesn’t just prolong the i but is pronounced separately.

    • @callsigndd9ls897
      @callsigndd9ls897 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@RayyMusik "Shley-zee-an" and "Shlayzvig Holstein" would youbhave to pronounce it in English to make it sound German. Yes, it's this stupid sound shift between the English and German language, which makes it difficult for English speakers to learn German.

  • @Burninhellscrootoob
    @Burninhellscrootoob หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Ive always had an eye for the 1905 Deutschland class battleships, i wish someone would come out with a dual model kit of these ships as originally produced, and in their post 1924-45 refits.....sort of like the Emden/ Dresden dual Revell kit of 2 in one box.

    • @lawrencelewis2592
      @lawrencelewis2592 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I have a 1/250 scale model of the S.W. that I built over 50 years ago. It's a paper kit and is now looking a bit tattered. Paper or card models are a lot more fun to build than plastic in my opinion. I could almost have my own battle of Jutland with the ones that I have.

  • @bigsarge2085
    @bigsarge2085 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Interesting!

  • @richardwolf8024
    @richardwolf8024 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Goeben was offered by the Turks to West Germany for use as a museum ship. The West Germans declined, and Goeben was scrapped. I think the West Germans should have accepted, but no doubt they had their reasons.

    • @johnlavery3433
      @johnlavery3433 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Two reasons, one, it could be interpreted as glorifying their imperial past, would have been a big no go, the other is money. Museum ships burn through a lot of money, and if they should it wasn’t viable in the long run then it was better to get the scrapping over and done with

    • @richardwolf8024
      @richardwolf8024 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@johnlavery3433 both of those are possibilities.

    • @callsigndd9ls897
      @callsigndd9ls897 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No, the Turks did not offer it to German government, but to a German shipbreaking yard, which was to scrap it. The yard was to pay over 8 million DM for it, which was too expensive for them. It was not until the 1970s that a private initiative was launched to turn it into a museum ship, but that too failed because of the selling price and the possible follow-up costs. On the other hand, the ship has been heavily modernized and rebuilt over the years, so that only the hull of the former cruiser was actually original.

  • @Viking88Power
    @Viking88Power หลายเดือนก่อน

    Quite interesting!

  • @gone547
    @gone547 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's a pity a severly damaged, unrestored, but made safe fighting ship hadn't been turned into an unmolested floating museum/memorial in honor of those who died on it and other ships, and as a visual testament to the ferocity/brutality of war.
    I have toured a number of restored giants that leave no trace of their wounds and their valiant service and quite frankly, for other than their size and technical marvel, leave me cold and wanting. I'm not saying all of the ship, but some of the more dramatic battle damage onboard should be left intact.
    I have also during my time, visited a number of famous battlegrounds, before they were turned into Disney-style theme parks and confected tourist attractions by the arty/farty crowd, and I have found those visits quite sombre, sobering and an honor to the men from both sides, who fought and died there.
    R.I.P.

  • @michaelnaisbitt7926
    @michaelnaisbitt7926 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The Schleswig Holstein was supposed to be on a peace mission in Poland when it opened fire on the Poilish fortifications and started WEW 2

  • @daveanderson3805
    @daveanderson3805 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video. And your pronunciation of german words is okay. And I appreciate your not using AI generated voice over

  • @Jedi.Toby.M
    @Jedi.Toby.M หลายเดือนก่อน +3

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    SO...
    I have...by years of hard work, and countless security checks....an armed, and mostly under reported, or tracked drone....
    YOU WILL LIKE and FULLY WATCH this upload.

  • @okanolin70
    @okanolin70 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    your information about the Hessen is not entirely correct, they served in 4 navies.
    Kaiserliche Marine-German Empire
    Reichsmarine-Weimar Republic
    Kriegsmarine-Third Reich
    Red Fleet-Soviet Union

    • @ImportantNavalHistory
      @ImportantNavalHistory  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’ll grant you the wording could’ve been better. However taking from Aidan Dodson in the Kaiser’s Battlefleet German Capital Ships 1871-1918, “Here she commissioned on 3 June under the name Tsel, and continued to serve until 1960, along with the former Blitz (now Vystrel), when they were stricken, almost 60 years since the former Hessen’s keel had been laid and after active service in four fleets and two navies.” Four fleets in what you are describing, but two navies in the sense of nations she served in. Hope this clears things up. Have a great week.

    • @callsigndd9ls897
      @callsigndd9ls897 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, the German navy change his name 5 times. Also after WWII two times.
      German navy 1955 to 1990:
      Bundesmarine (Federal Navy)
      German navy after reunion 1990
      Deutsche Marine (German Navy)

    • @okanolin70
      @okanolin70 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@callsigndd9ls897 It is not just the name that changes, but also the form of government and the subsequent docking of the respective navy. You cannot therefore simply describe them as German, that would be too simplistic.

    • @callsigndd9ls897
      @callsigndd9ls897 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@okanolin70 logisch

    • @okanolin70
      @okanolin70 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@callsigndd9ls897 Furthermore, you have forgotten another navy, the 'Volksmarine' of the GDR

  • @RolfHarms-dm1bm
    @RolfHarms-dm1bm หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Schleswig Holstein war kein Schlachtschiff,sondern ein Linienschiff.

    • @callsigndd9ls897
      @callsigndd9ls897 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ich glaube die Briten verwenden den Begriff Linienschiff (line ship) nicht. Es gibt nur den Begriff "Ship of the Line" aus der Segelschiffzeit. Das konnten aber alle Schiffstypen sein, wenn sie in Linie hintereinander segelten um feindliche Schiffe mit allen Kanonen bei der Vorbeifahrt zu beschießen. Es war eher eine Seeschlachtstrategie, aber kein Schiffstyp.

    • @RolfHarms-dm1bm
      @RolfHarms-dm1bm หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@callsigndd9ls897 die Royal Navy hatte die Linienschiffe in Klassen unterteilt 1.Klasse 3 Decker mit 90 bis 120 Kanonen
      2.Klasse 2.Decker 80 bis 90 Kanonen
      3.Klasse 2.Decker 74 bis 80 Kanonen Wobei die 74 das Standart Linenschiff bildeten.
      4.Klasse 2.Decker 64 Kanonen(veralterter Schiffstyp) Den 64er wurde später um schnell gleichwertige Fregatten gegen die US Navy Fregatten (USS Constetution)mit starker Feuerkraft zubekommen das obere Batteriedeck entfernt.

  • @michaelramsey3986
    @michaelramsey3986 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    What about Prinz Eugen?

    • @VersusARCH
      @VersusARCH หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Heavy cruiser. Not a battleship.

    • @michaelramsey3986
      @michaelramsey3986 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@VersusARCH I understand, but you did mention the Graf Zeppelin.

    • @ImportantNavalHistory
      @ImportantNavalHistory  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It's a couple of things. 1. I did cover Prinz Eugen in another video. 2. She was a heavy cruiser, and was constructed in the late 1930s, and this video was specifically about the Kaiser's remaining battleships left in German service at the end of the Second World War. Here's a link to the Prinz Eugen video: th-cam.com/video/B1OhMxJN7Qw/w-d-xo.html Hope I cleared some things up.

    • @michaelramsey3986
      @michaelramsey3986 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ImportantNavalHistory thank you, I loved you vid.

  • @ericvantassell6809
    @ericvantassell6809 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    remants is 2 syllables. ruminants is 3

  • @benperry2412
    @benperry2412 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How sad this made it so far.

  • @juansintierra2590
    @juansintierra2590 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What a blunder, man. at 19:43...! You say the Schlesien was in the war's last weeks THE ONLY vessel above destroyer size still operational "... Wow...what about the heavy cruiser Prinz Eugen and the light cruiser Nurnberg ? Check your papers, dude.

    • @ImportantNavalHistory
      @ImportantNavalHistory  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, theoretically they could have been operational, but in reality they were not. Both of whom were laid up in Copenhagen and had been since April. I’ve discussed both of those cruisers previously. Schlesien was the only one still operating in the war. I do check my sources.

  • @nico.bruhwiler1280
    @nico.bruhwiler1280 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Possible en français ?!

    • @ImportantNavalHistory
      @ImportantNavalHistory  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Sorry friend, I don’t have the resources for that.

    • @callsigndd9ls897
      @callsigndd9ls897 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Use Google Translator, works great between English, German and French.

  • @mikecoglione1308
    @mikecoglione1308 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would give someone else's left arm to be able to have visited some of the WW-2 capture prize ships like these, the Prinz Eugen, Gneisenau or even some of the Japanese ships like Nagato, Takao or even the Italian ships. Feel grateful that I volunteered on a museum ship and had access to all kinds of spaces not open to the public or did some of these expensive tours for free because of my connections and visits.

  • @kidmohair8151
    @kidmohair8151 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    nothing like a former enemy's pre-dreadnaught being gobbled up by a soon to be
    nuclear powered and armed navy made up of mostly submarines...
    there is some sort of irony therein.
    (the previous comment was made to satisfy the tube'y'all's algo-deities who, fortunately,
    don't read them before they digest)

  • @Historylord15
    @Historylord15 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Schlesien is pronounced Schlese-en

  • @tombristowe846
    @tombristowe846 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Only two syllables in "remnants".

    • @ImportantNavalHistory
      @ImportantNavalHistory  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks, appreciate it. Have a great week :)

    • @tombristowe846
      @tombristowe846 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ImportantNavalHistory I feel guilty now and a bit unkind. I'd probably had a bit too much to drink!

    • @ImportantNavalHistory
      @ImportantNavalHistory  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oh, don't feel bad. That comment wasn't even bad, it's just a fact I messed up. Trust me, I don't really take any of it to heart. If I did I would've had to quite a long time ago!

    • @tombristowe846
      @tombristowe846 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ImportantNavalHistory Thanks for your generous reply. It's sooo easy to be critical on line!

  • @gabrielballester8357
    @gabrielballester8357 หลายเดือนก่อน

    No me imteresa en idioma ingles

  • @GarryBennett-x8p
    @GarryBennett-x8p 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The great German empire what a shame it all went tits up.

  • @orjeetghrajshingbade-d3d
    @orjeetghrajshingbade-d3d หลายเดือนก่อน

    Lee Betty Rodriguez Kevin Lee Robert

  • @danschneider9921
    @danschneider9921 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    One small item "Schlesien" is pronounced more like "Schlee-sin" than 'Schley-see-on" My grandmother was from that province and that' how I remember hearing her pronounce it. Absolutely not trying to bust your b@lls over it. Just figured I would share.

    • @raymondromanos1479
      @raymondromanos1479 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      No, it's pronounced "schlay-zee-en".

    • @danschneider9921
      @danschneider9921 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@raymondromanos1479 Noted. Perhaps my grandmother had some local dialect, accent or who knows. Plus I am trying to phonetically type out pronunciation of a German word in English. Maybe we are actually on the same page. So cut me some slack.

    • @brittakriep2938
      @brittakriep2938 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Schlesien is realy spoken Schlesien in german language!

    • @ImportantNavalHistory
      @ImportantNavalHistory  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Oh yeah you’re fine, I pinned comment addresses it. I just goofed up.

    • @callsigndd9ls897
      @callsigndd9ls897 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ImportantNavalHistory The reason for this is the stupid sound shift between the English and German language.

  • @Stoertebekerxyz
    @Stoertebekerxyz หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ich hasse deutsche Videoüberschriften und englische Videos. Bevor Google TH-cam übernommen hatte konnte man videos nach Sprache sortieren.

  • @thomaskositzki9424
    @thomaskositzki9424 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "In early 1945 the war situation developed not necessarily to Germany's advantage." Yeah, no shit. 😂
    Germany had lost the war on a strategic level for two years, had suffered the worst single military defeat on land in history (Operation Bagration, July 1944), had loss rates which defied any sound military reasoning and the general situation could be described as "apocalyptic" without exaggerating at all.

    • @ImportantNavalHistory
      @ImportantNavalHistory  หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Love starting this series with that phrase lol. It’s a play on emperor Hirohito’s surrender speech, I figured the absurdity of the statement catches the attention of people.

    • @thomaskositzki9424
      @thomaskositzki9424 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@ImportantNavalHistory Wow, yes! I actually heard the speech with captions not long ago (WW2 in realtime, Indy Neidell)! It was so outrageous in distorting the actual facts, it makes the glorious moustache men of Europe (red & brown) look like champions of truth. 😳😂In all seriousness I got a little upset about it, it was such a horrendous lie from start to finish.
      Under these circumstances I applaud you, sir, on your level of knowledge and nerdiness! As I can't applaud physically, I smashed every like button I could find. 🙃🥰😃

    • @minimax9452
      @minimax9452 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      A few weeks later Lord Keynes was sent to USA to negotiate about the bancrupcy of the British. They had to pay back their debt to usa until 2011 and lost their Empire. Since the GB is the poodle of USA 😂

    • @juansintierra2590
      @juansintierra2590 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Biased comment.