THis is beautiful. I'm a karateka, and In some moments, I thought "wow, the moves look like Karate". On the other hand, when I see people doing "proper" Karate, in the traditional way (which involves lots of grappling), I usually think "it looks like Judo". My point is: although different arts put the "accent" on different elements, at the end of day they have more things in common than things separating them. That's why "fanboy-ism" is so detrimental to whatever art we practice. I find this video inspiring
Striking is always faster than trying to grab, because the opponent isn't a dummy and will always react, so need to inflict pain and confusion first before attempt to grab for any reason (throw, lock, choke, ect)
I've been so curious about atemi waza lately. Primarily because of that link you posted to "My Judo" by Mashiko Kimura, where Kimura mentions striking a mikiwara board as a means of strength and conditioning for his Judo. In general it was a really cool shout posting that link, so thank you!
Karate has grappling but as time goes by, it becomes mostly striking and kicking. Judo and Aikido have striking but as time goes by, it becomes mostly grappling/locking. At the end, you realised, they probably used to be the same thing in the past.
When we look at WWI and WWII unarmed combatives strikes taught respectively by U.S. Army Captain Allen C. Smith and British Shanghai police officer W.E. Fairbairn were derived mostly from old school Kano Jiujitsu /Kodokan Judo atemi waza. I/E: The finger jab to eyes, edge of hand chop to neck and throat, open palm cuff to the ear, open hand heel palm under chin, straight palm heel to face or temple and knuckle punch and elbow spear to the liver, solar plexus, kidneys. Siezing digital strike to trachea. Low kicks and heel stomps. Captain Allen C. Smith, a western boxer & shodan graduate of the kodokan in Tokyo wrote that these Japanese jujitsu/judo strikes he learned at the kodokan were more effective than boxing punches without hand protection, according to his belief. W.E. Fairbairn later espoused the same belief. WW2 SOE female agent Nancy Wake got a confirmed kill on a Nazi using a Judo edge of hand strike to his neck during a raid. Prewar Judo was a complete military unarmed combat art. They trained standing throws, crippling body slams, newaza, limb breaking, lethal strangles & chokes, crippling & lethal strikes as well as weapon disarms. No wonder the early U.S. Army Special Forces (green berets) adopted Kodokan Judo as their unarmed combatives program in the 1950s.
I read that judo strikes are from karate and karate's takedown are from judo because Kano and Funakoshi were good friends so they share some of these techniques. There were a article written about this
In summary, judo atemi waza is directly related to jujutsu strikes, where the intent wasn’t to knock someone out. It takes the Queensberry rules and heavier modern human/lifestyle to make sense of emphasizing on shaking the brain. It seems like Rikidozan was very cautious of Kimura’s “secret judo strikes”, but I don’t think that would have been effective at their body sizes and general knowledge of sumo/karate/boxing strikes
Awesome content. Glad you are putting this out there. So many people only see Judo through the lens of it being an Olympic Sport. For self defense it is so much more than just a “sport.” And it’s great how you highlight these strikes can be used to cause kuzushi.
It's never too late to try practicing your striking, all you need is a willing partner! It looks like you're already studying the resources out there for Judo's atemi waza so that's the first step done. I'd imagine books on Koryu Jujutsu may have more on this as well.
I don't really understand why Judo schools don't teach these techniques more often. Granted, they can't be used in sport judo, but a complete Judo training should include these - after all, sport judo is just a subset of the total martial art. The techniques seem rather basic, but that makes sense to me - judo is primarily a close quarters/grappling contact martial art. This is all very revealing and helpful, thank you to whoever posted this video.
Worth mentioning that, at least in jujitsu schools, the “chop” style strike at the end of the throw or lock used to represent a finishing cut with a wakizashi/ short sword or tanto/ knife.
I was a Black belt in karate before discovering old school Brazilian jiu-jitsu.And I had to admit the BJJ was simply a superior system and actually knew and understood more about realistic striking than the most karate "experts". I simply found that the useful elements of Karate fit better into the jiu-jitsu frame work than Jiu-jitsu did into karate. If you take out all the karate kata, fancy moves for sparring and fantasy hooey, you are left with a handful of good sold, basic strikes, like palm heel strikes, elbows, knees etc. Very similar if not often identical to the "atemi waza" still taught in old school BJJ. This parring down leaves you with these useful basics but does not over emphasis them so you have a much broader system. If you have more than striking to call upon, then you can more objectively asses there value and functionality. Old school BJJ understood this very well. For example, you did not need a lot of long range kicking techniques but you should, at least, have a very good side kick, that is used both offensively and defensively. The side kick was the corner stone of the old school BJJ method of "outside range' fighting used to keep space and hurt an attacker without getting into range of his punches. I saw BJJ instructors, such as Carley Gracie, throw side kicks that were as good or better than most karate-ka I had seen. That side kick and the long range strategy that went with it, was just as important a part of BJJ as any ground work, but has nearly disappeared. today, there are BJJ "black belts" that cant do, or use as simple a technique as the side kick. Don't forget that the side kick was one of Helio Gracies favourite moves and he even won one of his NHB fights with one.
@@Supermomo2007 Nope, I mean what I said. BJJ is not really a "spin off" but the natural evolution of the original Kano jiu-jitsu when real life self-defense was the only goal. Kano was a great man, but he was never in a real fight in his life. let the people who are actually fighting with much bigger opponents what is more effective, striking, throws or ground work. the evolution of 'old school" BJJ shows which one.
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu originated from Judo. The techniques that Kodokan's Mitsuyo Maeda (Conde Koma) learned while competing in other styles all over the world were taught to Carlos Gracie. As it was different from the Judo below, it was named "Ju-Jitsu" with Kodokan in mind. ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/前田光世
These striking techniques, are universal. They could have been independently developed. Due the effectiveness of them, common ground. For many of the arts founded in east Asia.
As someone who has done tang soo do for a long time and just started judo, I see a lot of opportunities for knees to the solar plexus, elbows to the temple, etc even while maintaining your grips. It'd be interesting to do some randori with light contact striking.
Super interesting Chadi. The old Shuai Chiao also has striking, knife defense and a lot of submissions. A different martial art altogether from what you see in competitions these days.
Always with Self Defence purposes and even Gracie Ju Jitsu has on its curriculum Atemi Waza. Its origins are japanese with Master Maeda influence. In France we haven't to forget the late great Champion and Jûdo and Ju Jitsu Master: Bernard Pariset who developed the old Ju Jitsu Self Defence Method for the French Jûdo Federation: the "Atemi Ju Jitsu Self Défense". His son, Master Eric Pariset has continued the evolution of his father's method wich was based on the teachings and Jûjutsu Self Defence Methodologu taught by Master Mikinosuke Kawaishi during the old times. Thank you very much Chadi for the subject of today and hope very soon you teach and show us more interesting things: I' m sure of it and congratulations for your Outstanding research works. Blessings from Spain.
Hi Chadi, Age of Samurai series is on Netflix, I just finished the 6 episodes. They showcased a few throws. I think it's great if you review it here in your channel to remind modern day Judokas of our roots from the Samurais.
Here's a thought dat'll probably get me flamed on... *Grappling styles IMO, nowadays, should require some knowledge of striking in order 2 receive a blackbelt or black sash!* Reason being what if one gets in a 1-v-1 skirmish and da guy/girl might b a champion wrestler or knows some form of grappling 2 counter _your_ grappling? Or... it's u vs more than 1 person ur facing? There go an argument 2 b made! I'd say similar things about striking styles wit grappling, especially since in da past dat might've been da case, but... yeah!
Great film, James Cagney showcasing his Judo skills, he was Shodan if I remember correctly. Another film to see is 13 Rue Madeleine, it also shows his Judo and unarmed combat, one of my favourites.
Jigoro Kano was thinking of incorporating Atemi Waza in Randori but he finally didn't do it. And yes, Atemi Waza have nothing in common with the classic strikes found in boxing, karate, muay thai etc. Their purpose is either to incapacitate or create kuzushi so a grappling technique can follow (locking, throwing). The point here is how could Atemi Waza be incorporated in randori. Maybe with some protective gear.
Judo should bring back the practice of Atemi Waza. The practice is vital for defensive/offensive combat, and would give women in particular an edge against assaults.
Actually we started doing atemi by the end of the classes. We also do it with no gi. It was just the owners decision. We still have our sports judo class but the last 20 to 15 min we do atemi practice. I thought this day would never come. And it's awesome. Yesterday they told us to do Osoto Gari with a strike on the neck or face while off balancing grabbing the arm and pushing it down. Can't wait till we start Randori hehhe. Also we're still with IJF, but we do this separately as a self-defense class. I hope your senseis and their owner reconsider it one day and you can start doing it too. Best of luck!!
Jigoro Kano and Gichin Funakoshi seemed to have mutual respect for each other. I get the impression they viewed each other's skills as equivocal to each other. There's more to karate than what meets the eyes.
I know this much. Funakoshi borrowed a lot of basic judo throws into Shotokan, like o-goshi, harai-goshi and ippon-seio-nage. You just don't see them a lot due to the single points kumite rules. As for the other way, I don't know.
The term "kuzushi" has the following implications: "to tear down a structure", "to destabilize structure", "to bring down". Exploiting a person's balance (push when they pull, pull when they push) is one form of kuzushi. When you tackle a person who's standing, that's an example of "bringing down their structure" (kuzushi). When you cause a concussion with a strike to the head and their body falls down, that's an example of kuzushi. Another form of kuzushi is to use your own rapid movements/attacks to cause a change in the opponent's structure. When demolition men destroy a building, they normally don't deconstruct a building piece by piece, what they do is focus on destroying specific structural points. The consequence is that the building's structure completely collapses onto itself without its stable foundation.
Good afternoon from Spain. As always Chadi, excellent documentary about a so important main part of old Kodokan Jûdo as an important new Jûjutsu School. Nowadays during Jûdo practice, one can practice Atemi Waza. Only preparing test for high promotion grades on the study of Kime no Kata and Kodokan Goshinjutsu. The training and study of Judo Katas wich includes Atemi are no more practice. That's the case of Seiryoku Zen'yo Kokumin Taiiku no Kata or National Physical Education Kata with another small old Kata as Kime Shiki in the past then becoming part of the Tandoku Renshu together with Ju Shiki of the physical educational Kata. In all these, there are a lot of Atemi Waza. Also in Kodokan Joshi Judo Goshin ho or Methods of Self Defence for women. At the Kodokan only the Women's Department, practice this Kata and demonstrate it during Kagami Biraki or New Year Celebrations at Kodokan Judo Institute. When I visited in 2017 Kodokan Institute , Waseda University and American Embassy Judo Club. I could talk and practice with several Masters in all the disciplines I keep on learning and teaching. You describe very well the relation of Atemi Waza in all its parts: Ate dokoro or natural weapons. Kyusho vulnerable and vital body targets. Kata in Koryu Jûjutsu and Kodokan Jûdo as a way to preservation all the old techniques. Old Kodokan Judo from Kancho Kano Jigoro. Old Tomiki Ryu Aikido from Shihan Tomiki Kenji. Nihon Jûjutsu Goshinjutsu from Sato Shizuya Shihan. Nihon Den Yoseikan Jûjutsu from Mochizuki Minoru. Taihô Jutsu from Nihon Keishicho or Japanese Police. All these disciplines are full of Atemi Waza practice. Well by the way of Kata practice or adapted to Randori with control.
I have no practice but Judo is a way of fighting with no guns, no swords, no nothing. Only need is a practice and the eye seeing all that means that you are the center.
Ah! Strike to the ball sack, can you image how much BJJ would change if these strikes were included, seeing this footage reminds us we are not doing pure JJJ.
Maybe this is obvious, but the kata neither preserve nor teach techniques. They are about how techniques are put together tactically and strategically. Just as in karate you learn and practice techniques extensively before learning karate kata. The movements in the Judo kata are models teaching tactics and strategies for applying techniques in different situations. We extensively practiced atemi and movement before learning kata. We worked with partners and struck training posts. As far as books are concerned, Kano discussed atemi somewhat in his 1930s book. You could also look into writings by Aida and Kurihara senseis. Apologies, but autocorrect keeps interfering here.
@@Chadi I certainly am not disputing the value of kata. Quite the contrary. But I think people misunderstand what it does. The best koryu have "catalogs" of techniques separate from the kata, and offer technical lessons on techniques. But the koryu is not a collection of techniques. It is a strategic and tactical approach to combat that embraces riai to use the same principles across its weapons and nonweapons systems. As you point out, there was extensive work done in nonprearranged practices. The kata present model engagements that demonstrate the approach. In karate classes, you practice kihon (basic techniques) extensively, and then, in the kata, you are given key information, examples, about how these can be put together. Same in Judo and jujutsu. My sensei told us that on the ancient battelfield everybody knew how to kick and punch, grapple and throw. But some survived and succeeded, while others died on the battlefield. People came to realize that it was the structure they superimposed on their techniques that made them strong, able to survive and succeed. That's what the ryuha tries to teach. On the modern battlefield, everybody has a gun, but armies train soldiers how and when to use that gun, how to work together, how to close, how to move, etc. That's what makes the army strong. BJJ isn't the mount, the Kimura, and juji-gatame (whatever you guys call it). It is the system that teaches you how to achieve the mount, the Kimura, and the jujigatame in every situation.
There was a old book that covered striking in Judo, I wish I could remember it's name, it had all of the now illegal moves also, like the most insane Camel Clutch you could imagine! It had a yellow cover and was pocket book sized It must of been written in the late 50's early 60's. If anyone can help me track it down I would be over the moon!
Atemi Waza is meant to attack vital areas, or specific pressure points. It's sad that it's been abandoned for sport. Knowing the strikes puts your training into a different perspective.
@@Chadi for anyone studying aikido, the book Budo by the founder puts this into perspective. I think it might have been during the aiki Budo phase. Something to the affect of a atemi being 99% necessary. It's worth the read.
This reminded me of 2 things... First, the book scientific self defense by fairbarn... Second, bujinkan/togakure ryu ninjutsu... Do you have any video on ninjutsu? A famous youtuber made a video no long ago talking about how unpractical the techniques are, without aknowledging that like 90% of grappling and striking techniques in bujinkan are found in judo, bjj or karate...
There is even a video of a bujinkan guy winning a submissions wrestling competition, and the guy who won ufc3 beated a guy with an armbar in ufc4... And also did a perfect judo looking throw against a much larger oponent in that same fight...
I would also like to see chadis opinion on bujinkan, akban, togakure ryu and other types of ninjutsu... I really like that they not only do grappling and striking, but they also learn basic weapon techniques AND they do taihenjutsu, wich looks like parkour... Everyone says best self defense against multiple oponents or knives is to run away and if possible do parkour... But the only ones to actually practice it are ninjas...
A ninja i used to spar with was supee good at throws... Had almost 0 ground game, but i could not avoid being thrown by him... And i also practiced bjj for a while, and no one in the bjj gym could throw me as easy... Its like he had a throw for any situation
This looks a lot more like Chin Na, in that there are a lot of instances where a blow is delivered to stun or open up an area to perform a grab, lever or a throw
Do you know if the kosen universities outside of Japan still do kosen style judo? In korea and Taiwan. I would really like to go and train there because Japan is so expensive. I figured nobody would have as much info as you
I am absolutely so confused because I love your videos but I have been in kodokan Judo.daito ryu aiki jujitsu...kito ryu jujitsu..and tenjin shoden katori jujitsu.. there is always been artemi waza
Totally correct about why kata is important. Where the value is and where it isn't. Good video for historical purposes. But please judokas, do not look to judo or old jujitsu for efficient striking skills, no more than you would look to Tai chi for the most efficient throwing skills(although the concepts are good). Do not go to a judo school that doesn't actually have you throw or have no mats and don't take advice from a BJJ, Judo or jujitsu school with not gloves or protective gear in sight. All it takes is a decent study of western boxing, kickboxing, bare knuckle boxing and especially MMA or old vale tudo to see what strike are effective, where the strikes are effective and what strikes aren't as fatal as the traditional martial artist would tell you. Hammer fist are allowed in MMA. Hitting the back of the neck was an essential tactic for old school vale tudo and NHB(no more). It preceded the rear naked choke. No one died and were rarely KO. No gloves. Always look at the people who have the most at stake or rewards for efficient technique. In throwing with a jacket, look at sambo and judo. In taking a person down upper body, without clothe...look at greco. Leg takedowns, look at free or folkstyle wrestling. They investigated the methods of doing these things for Olympic or world championship honors and financial rewards that are life changing. The same with striking. People with the most at stake and garner the greatest rewards are boxers, kickboxers and MMA fighters...most recently bare knuckle boxing. Vital targets are not unknown. But what they are is difficult to get to under stress. People who haven't spent the months and years testing this with real resistance, under stress only have theories. There was a reason traditional karate fighters started learning boxing in the 70s when PKA first started( I actually fought PKA in the 80s). They only had theory before, but when they actually had to fight...they went to "the sweet science"...western boxing. If you want a very good book on the art and science of striking with the hands, research/read Jack Dempsey's classic books. There are no secrets or short cuts to what works. Just take 2-3 months of boxing lessons and you will see. Again, great historical reference and good suggestion of adding striking. You don't need your judo dojo for this, unless your judo coach has boxing experience and you have access to gloves.
I use Kyusho for every situation that needs quick response with the most effective yet un-noticeablebe act. You can usually immobilize and subdue an attacker without using a lot of energy and drawing attention. But it's dangerous .most masters would not teach such to foreigners and when they did the true masters would very rarely teach the deadly arts. .
Kung Fu was kind of like this you've got locking poking striking and usually it's all in one thing. I think Japanese styles were like this too before they separated them. Honestly it doesn't help you to not know one part of it.
Yeah, I did a few judo classes years ago, and at the end the instructor would teach some atemi, as a self defence thing. Judo and atemi definitely go together. Wasn't that eye opening for me, as I was already into kung fu, karate, and stuff. I must say my biggest mistake was not getting into boxing,
It's great .. our Gracie jiujitsu also have strikes . Punching and kicks , elbows , knees and headbutts .. just the sportive american jiujitsu type only has grappling but the Braziliean Gracie jiujitsu has the strikes and defences against armed attackers .... It's great to see that Judo it's a first class art ( sorry but it's my own opinion )cause usually ppl tend to go with kuryu japanese jujutsu where they say it's more complete than Judo ... And I have a different opinion ... Judo it's a first class art and jiujitsu and sambo are both Judo's strongest sons ...
The purpose of Kara/forms should be reiterated over and over until those who blast older martial arts and for the bozos who practice traditional martial arts to realize they need sparring/randori.
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The blow before the throw. Shows judo’s jujutsu origins.
Atemi Waza is the best methods of Kuzushi
That's why it's now essential too train in muay thai, karate or kickboxing. Since it's missing now
THis is beautiful.
I'm a karateka, and In some moments, I thought "wow, the moves look like Karate". On the other hand, when I see people doing "proper" Karate, in the traditional way (which involves lots of grappling), I usually think "it looks like Judo".
My point is: although different arts put the "accent" on different elements, at the end of day they have more things in common than things separating them. That's why "fanboy-ism" is so detrimental to whatever art we practice.
I find this video inspiring
Thank you
I believe Kano and Gichin Funakoshi were friends. Would not be surprised if they exchanged techniques.
It is. I just wish there was traditional Judo instruction where I am. Surprisingly, for a metro area there isn't... pathetic
Striking is always faster than trying to grab, because the opponent isn't a dummy and will always react, so need to inflict pain and confusion first before attempt to grab for any reason (throw, lock, choke, ect)
I agree
Leg kick, palm strike then grappling.
Normally, when the opponent strikes, your grappling comes in immediately.
I've been so curious about atemi waza lately. Primarily because of that link you posted to "My Judo" by Mashiko Kimura, where Kimura mentions striking a mikiwara board as a means of strength and conditioning for his Judo. In general it was a really cool shout posting that link, so thank you!
Keep in mind he did goju ryu karate too.
3 months later but makiwara board is like saying Bo stuff, it's redundant just say makiwara
@@dojimanoryu4969I thought it was shokotqn
Karate has grappling but as time goes by, it becomes mostly striking and kicking. Judo and Aikido have striking but as time goes by, it becomes mostly grappling/locking. At the end, you realised, they probably used to be the same thing in the past.
When we look at WWI and WWII unarmed combatives strikes taught respectively by U.S. Army Captain Allen C. Smith and British Shanghai police officer W.E. Fairbairn were derived mostly from old school Kano Jiujitsu /Kodokan Judo atemi waza. I/E: The finger jab to eyes, edge of hand chop to neck and throat, open palm cuff to the ear, open hand heel palm under chin, straight palm heel to face or temple and knuckle punch and elbow spear to the liver, solar plexus, kidneys. Siezing digital strike to trachea. Low kicks and heel stomps. Captain Allen C. Smith, a western boxer & shodan graduate of the kodokan in Tokyo wrote that these Japanese jujitsu/judo strikes he learned at the kodokan were more effective than boxing punches without hand protection, according to his belief. W.E. Fairbairn later espoused the same belief. WW2 SOE female agent Nancy Wake got a confirmed kill on a Nazi using a Judo edge of hand strike to his neck during a raid. Prewar Judo was a complete military unarmed combat art. They trained standing throws, crippling body slams, newaza, limb breaking, lethal strangles & chokes, crippling & lethal strikes as well as weapon disarms. No wonder the early U.S. Army Special Forces (green berets) adopted Kodokan Judo as their unarmed combatives program in the 1950s.
100%
Once again ladd thank you for reminding us if those forgotten striking techniques of old classical Judo. 👍
I read that judo strikes are from karate and karate's takedown are from judo because Kano and Funakoshi were good friends so they share some of these techniques. There were a article written about this
In summary, judo atemi waza is directly related to jujutsu strikes, where the intent wasn’t to knock someone out. It takes the Queensberry rules and heavier modern human/lifestyle to make sense of emphasizing on shaking the brain. It seems like Rikidozan was very cautious of Kimura’s “secret judo strikes”, but I don’t think that would have been effective at their body sizes and general knowledge of sumo/karate/boxing strikes
Awesome content. Glad you are putting this out there. So many people only see Judo through the lens of it being an Olympic Sport. For self defense it is so much more than just a “sport.” And it’s great how you highlight these strikes can be used to cause kuzushi.
It's never too late to try practicing your striking, all you need is a willing partner!
It looks like you're already studying the resources out there for Judo's atemi waza so that's the first step done. I'd imagine books on Koryu Jujutsu may have more on this as well.
Thank you
I don't really understand why Judo schools don't teach these techniques more often. Granted, they can't be used in sport judo, but a complete Judo training should include these - after all, sport judo is just a subset of the total martial art.
The techniques seem rather basic, but that makes sense to me - judo is primarily a close quarters/grappling contact martial art.
This is all very revealing and helpful, thank you to whoever posted this video.
Worth mentioning that, at least in jujitsu schools, the “chop” style strike at the end of the throw or lock used to represent a finishing cut with a wakizashi/ short sword or tanto/ knife.
That's correct.
Like with aikido, when they are attacking.
Your the best for info when it comes to judo
Thank you very much
I was a Black belt in karate before discovering old school Brazilian jiu-jitsu.And I had to admit the BJJ was simply a superior system and actually knew and understood more about realistic striking than the most karate "experts". I simply found that the useful elements of Karate fit better into the jiu-jitsu frame work than Jiu-jitsu did into karate. If you take out all the karate kata, fancy moves for sparring and fantasy hooey, you are left with a handful of good sold, basic strikes, like palm heel strikes, elbows, knees etc. Very similar if not often identical to the "atemi waza" still taught in old school BJJ. This parring down leaves you with these useful basics but does not over emphasis them so you have a much broader system. If you have more than striking to call upon, then you can more objectively asses there value and functionality. Old school BJJ understood this very well. For example, you did not need a lot of long range kicking techniques but you should, at least, have a very good side kick, that is used both offensively and defensively. The side kick was the corner stone of the old school BJJ method of "outside range' fighting used to keep space and hurt an attacker without getting into range of his punches. I saw BJJ instructors, such as Carley Gracie, throw side kicks that were as good or better than most karate-ka I had seen. That side kick and the long range strategy that went with it, was just as important a part of BJJ as any ground work, but has nearly disappeared. today, there are BJJ "black belts" that cant do, or use as simple a technique as the side kick. Don't forget that the side kick was one of Helio Gracies favourite moves and he even won one of his NHB fights with one.
i think you mean old school judo, bjj is a spin off
@@Supermomo2007 Nope, I mean what I said. BJJ is not really a "spin off" but the natural evolution of the original Kano jiu-jitsu when real life self-defense was the only goal. Kano was a great man, but he was never in a real fight in his life. let the people who are actually fighting with much bigger opponents what is more effective, striking, throws or ground work. the evolution of 'old school" BJJ shows which one.
how is it evolution without stand up? i saw judo white belt took down bjj black belt
@@JohnJohnson-pq4qz
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu originated from Judo.
The techniques that Kodokan's Mitsuyo Maeda (Conde Koma) learned while competing in other styles all over the world were taught to Carlos Gracie.
As it was different from the Judo below, it was named "Ju-Jitsu" with Kodokan in mind. ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/前田光世
Many of the Shotokan techniques seem to have been learned by Jigaro Kano from Funakoshi. It's amazing how mysterious martial arts are
Tenjin shinyo ryu jujutsu had strikes too
These striking techniques, are universal. They could have been independently developed. Due the effectiveness of them, common ground. For many of the arts founded in east Asia.
@@mikcarrillo3527very true
As someone who has done tang soo do for a long time and just started judo, I see a lot of opportunities for knees to the solar plexus, elbows to the temple, etc even while maintaining your grips. It'd be interesting to do some randori with light contact striking.
As a Judoka thank you! Most forget that Judo has atemi or strikes
That clip is unintentionally hilarious it looks like they’re going for a stroll and the one just decided to kick and throw the other for no reason.
That's at about 1:50. "How to defend yourself against a friend who won't shut up."
Super interesting Chadi. The old Shuai Chiao also has striking, knife defense and a lot of submissions. A different martial art altogether from what you see in competitions these days.
Agreed
In karate we use striking as kuzushi all the time, great video
Thank you
Always with Self Defence purposes and even Gracie Ju Jitsu has on its curriculum Atemi Waza. Its origins are japanese with Master Maeda influence.
In France we haven't to forget the late great Champion and Jûdo and Ju Jitsu Master: Bernard Pariset who developed the old Ju Jitsu Self Defence Method for the French Jûdo Federation: the "Atemi Ju Jitsu Self Défense". His son, Master Eric Pariset has continued the evolution of his father's method wich was based on the teachings and Jûjutsu Self Defence Methodologu taught by Master Mikinosuke Kawaishi during the old times.
Thank you very much Chadi for the subject of today and hope very soon you teach and show us more interesting things: I' m sure of it and congratulations for your Outstanding research works.
Blessings from Spain.
Thank you Dani
@@Chadi You're welcome, my dear Budo friend. 🙏🥋🙏
@@daniavi1358 🙇🏻♂️
I love Judo and Muay Thai
Hi Chadi, Age of Samurai series is on Netflix, I just finished the 6 episodes. They showcased a few throws. I think it's great if you review it here in your channel to remind modern day Judokas of our roots from the Samurais.
Will do
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Interesting! Lots of great points.
Yes, Kata is a living manual to pass down. Kata is also prepare your form to miss. Like shadow boxing.
that front kick catch, nut shot, toss and soccer kick to the head is pretty sweet.
Here's a thought dat'll probably get me flamed on... *Grappling styles IMO, nowadays, should require some knowledge of striking in order 2 receive a blackbelt or black sash!* Reason being what if one gets in a 1-v-1 skirmish and da guy/girl might b a champion wrestler or knows some form of grappling 2 counter _your_ grappling? Or... it's u vs more than 1 person ur facing? There go an argument 2 b made!
I'd say similar things about striking styles wit grappling, especially since in da past dat might've been da case, but... yeah!
No one can legitimately flame you for your comment, because you're absolutely correct. I agree with you 100%. 😃
Wasn't there also a vital striking point illustration by Kano or in judo somewhere.
For those who don't know. The forms contain atemi waza.
Thank you for showing this-Ari
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1945 action film Blood On The Sun demonstrates old school striking (atemi waza) in the action scenes.
Great film, James Cagney showcasing his Judo skills, he was Shodan if I remember correctly. Another film to see is 13 Rue Madeleine, it also shows his Judo and unarmed combat, one of my favourites.
Great movie
Very informative, just started my journey on judo with a traditional ju-jitsu background and this just makes it even more interesting!
Jigoro Kano was thinking of incorporating Atemi Waza in Randori but he finally didn't do it. And yes, Atemi Waza have nothing in common with the classic strikes found in boxing, karate, muay thai etc. Their purpose is either to incapacitate or create kuzushi so a grappling technique can follow (locking, throwing). The point here is how could Atemi Waza be incorporated in randori. Maybe with some protective gear.
Nothing like the old school
Judo should bring back the practice of Atemi Waza. The practice is vital for defensive/offensive combat, and would give women in particular an edge against assaults.
Actually we started doing atemi by the end of the classes. We also do it with no gi. It was just the owners decision. We still have our sports judo class but the last 20 to 15 min we do atemi practice. I thought this day would never come. And it's awesome. Yesterday they told us to do Osoto Gari with a strike on the neck or face while off balancing grabbing the arm and pushing it down. Can't wait till we start Randori hehhe. Also we're still with IJF, but we do this separately as a self-defense class. I hope your senseis and their owner reconsider it one day and you can start doing it too. Best of luck!!
@@almostbaldbuffguy I am glad to hear that the owner has switch from sport oriented practice to combat application. Kudos!
2:55 - Vital points
8:15 - The importance of strikes with grappling
8:55 - The benefits of Kata
Jigoro Kano and Gichin Funakoshi seemed to have mutual respect for each other. I get the impression they viewed each other's skills as equivocal to each other.
There's more to karate than what meets the eyes.
I know this much. Funakoshi borrowed a lot of basic judo throws into Shotokan, like o-goshi, harai-goshi and ippon-seio-nage. You just don't see them a lot due to the single points kumite rules. As for the other way, I don't know.
Didn't Ashi Barai come from Karate? I seem to remember reading that somewhere.
Yes older karate had more grappling if I'm not mistaken
@OWL Delta Khz 98.3 There may have been a change of rules, because the Goji Ryu I remember was point-kumite style. But I may be confused.
from what I understand kuzushi is more accurately translated as breaking instead of off-balance, as in breaking the opponent's ability to resist
When he push. You pull.
When he pulls. You push.
The term "kuzushi" has the following implications: "to tear down a structure", "to destabilize structure", "to bring down". Exploiting a person's balance (push when they pull, pull when they push) is one form of kuzushi. When you tackle a person who's standing, that's an example of "bringing down their structure" (kuzushi). When you cause a concussion with a strike to the head and their body falls down, that's an example of kuzushi. Another form of kuzushi is to use your own rapid movements/attacks to cause a change in the opponent's structure.
When demolition men destroy a building, they normally don't deconstruct a building piece by piece, what they do is focus on destroying specific structural points. The consequence is that the building's structure completely collapses onto itself without its stable foundation.
When i see this it reminds me of a former judo teacher, always did a judochop at the end of technic.
A long overdue video Chadi. Great job!
never would have thought judo included striking😀
They definitely did
Good afternoon from Spain.
As always Chadi, excellent documentary about a so important main part of old Kodokan Jûdo as an important new Jûjutsu School.
Nowadays during Jûdo practice, one can practice Atemi Waza. Only preparing test for high promotion grades on the study of Kime no Kata and Kodokan Goshinjutsu.
The training and study of Judo Katas wich includes Atemi are no more practice. That's the case of Seiryoku Zen'yo Kokumin Taiiku no Kata or National Physical Education Kata with another small old Kata as Kime Shiki in the past then becoming part of the Tandoku Renshu together with Ju Shiki of the physical educational Kata.
In all these, there are a lot of Atemi Waza.
Also in Kodokan Joshi Judo Goshin ho or Methods of Self Defence for women.
At the Kodokan only the Women's Department, practice this Kata and demonstrate it during Kagami Biraki or New Year Celebrations at Kodokan Judo Institute.
When I visited in 2017 Kodokan Institute , Waseda University and American Embassy Judo Club. I could talk and practice with several Masters in all the disciplines I keep on learning and teaching.
You describe very well the relation of Atemi Waza in all its parts:
Ate dokoro or natural weapons.
Kyusho vulnerable and vital body targets.
Kata in Koryu Jûjutsu and Kodokan Jûdo as a way to preservation all the old techniques.
Old Kodokan Judo from Kancho Kano Jigoro.
Old Tomiki Ryu Aikido from Shihan Tomiki Kenji.
Nihon Jûjutsu Goshinjutsu from Sato Shizuya Shihan.
Nihon Den Yoseikan Jûjutsu from Mochizuki Minoru.
Taihô Jutsu from Nihon Keishicho or Japanese Police.
All these disciplines are full of Atemi Waza practice.
Well by the way of Kata practice or adapted to Randori with control.
All my love to Spain
@@Chadi Thank you very much 🙏🙏🙏
Great hard to find stuff! Thanks for your upload.
Atemi Waza (Striking to vital points) is the best method of Kuzushi.
Even in Hapkido striking is quite feuquently used to off balance someone before you throw them.
Great video and commentary. Well done. -Houston, TX.
Thank you
This footage is awesome, as per usual
you are great chadi and your videos are so amazing and inspiring
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I have no practice but Judo is a way of fighting with no guns, no swords, no nothing. Only need is a practice and the eye seeing all that means that you are the center.
Great one Chadi! I would love to train more of atemi waza.
Me too
Ah! Strike to the ball sack, can you image how much BJJ would change if these strikes were included, seeing this footage reminds us we are not doing pure JJJ.
super video!, I see so many karate kata moves...
Your videos are amazing!!!
Thanks again for sharing your knowledge
You're very welcome
Good work!
Thank you
Maybe this is obvious, but the kata neither preserve nor teach techniques. They are about how techniques are put together tactically and strategically. Just as in karate you learn and practice techniques extensively before learning karate kata. The movements in the Judo kata are models teaching tactics and strategies for applying techniques in different situations. We extensively practiced atemi and movement before learning kata. We worked with partners and struck training posts. As far as books are concerned, Kano discussed atemi somewhat in his 1930s book. You could also look into writings by Aida and Kurihara senseis. Apologies, but autocorrect keeps interfering here.
But if it wasn't for kata, many koryus would die, it's a great way to preserve an art
@@Chadi I certainly am not disputing the value of kata. Quite the contrary. But I think people misunderstand what it does. The best koryu have "catalogs" of techniques separate from the kata, and offer technical lessons on techniques. But the koryu is not a collection of techniques. It is a strategic and tactical approach to combat that embraces riai to use the same principles across its weapons and nonweapons systems. As you point out, there was extensive work done in nonprearranged practices. The kata present model engagements that demonstrate the approach. In karate classes, you practice kihon (basic techniques) extensively, and then, in the kata, you are given key information, examples, about how these can be put together. Same in Judo and jujutsu. My sensei told us that on the ancient battelfield everybody knew how to kick and punch, grapple and throw. But some survived and succeeded, while others died on the battlefield. People came to realize that it was the structure they superimposed on their techniques that made them strong, able to survive and succeed. That's what the ryuha tries to teach. On the modern battlefield, everybody has a gun, but armies train soldiers how and when to use that gun, how to work together, how to close, how to move, etc. That's what makes the army strong. BJJ isn't the mount, the Kimura, and juji-gatame (whatever you guys call it). It is the system that teaches you how to achieve the mount, the Kimura, and the jujigatame in every situation.
Very Nice vidéo
Judo is the best striking
There was a old book that covered striking in Judo, I wish I could remember it's name, it had all of the now illegal moves also, like the most insane Camel Clutch you could imagine! It had a yellow cover and was pocket book sized It must of been written in the late 50's early 60's.
If anyone can help me track it down I would be over the moon!
Kano Jiujitsu/Judo. Irving Hathcock I believe was the author.
@@Soaring_Hawk you sir are a legend, thank you 🙂
Atemi Waza is meant to attack vital areas, or specific pressure points. It's sad that it's been abandoned for sport. Knowing the strikes puts your training into a different perspective.
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@@Chadi for anyone studying aikido, the book Budo by the founder puts this into perspective. I think it might have been during the aiki Budo phase. Something to the affect of a atemi being 99% necessary. It's worth the read.
This reminded me of 2 things... First, the book scientific self defense by fairbarn... Second, bujinkan/togakure ryu ninjutsu...
Do you have any video on ninjutsu? A famous youtuber made a video no long ago talking about how unpractical the techniques are, without aknowledging that like 90% of grappling and striking techniques in bujinkan are found in judo, bjj or karate...
There is even a video of a bujinkan guy winning a submissions wrestling competition, and the guy who won ufc3 beated a guy with an armbar in ufc4... And also did a perfect judo looking throw against a much larger oponent in that same fight...
True that, bujinkan grappling is not nearly as bad as people claim...
You are talking about martial arts journey, right?
I would also like to see chadis opinion on bujinkan, akban, togakure ryu and other types of ninjutsu... I really like that they not only do grappling and striking, but they also learn basic weapon techniques AND they do taihenjutsu, wich looks like parkour... Everyone says best self defense against multiple oponents or knives is to run away and if possible do parkour... But the only ones to actually practice it are ninjas...
A ninja i used to spar with was supee good at throws... Had almost 0 ground game, but i could not avoid being thrown by him... And i also practiced bjj for a while, and no one in the bjj gym could throw me as easy... Its like he had a throw for any situation
Is Old Judo still practiced and taught today in The United States?
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Great video.
日本語通じるかな？元々、日本の武器を持たない武術は、『柔（やわら）』といって、投げ技や関節技がほとんどで、【打撃技】は特殊だった。（その【打撃技】当初、『当て身』と言ってた。）
This looks a lot more like Chin Na, in that there are a lot of instances where a blow is delivered to stun or open up an area to perform a grab, lever or a throw
Do you know if the kosen universities outside of Japan still do kosen style judo? In korea and Taiwan. I would really like to go and train there because Japan is so expensive. I figured nobody would have as much info as you
Theres one in Canada.
@@SI-ln6tc kosen judo in Canada?
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Theres one sensei that's teaching it in Canada.
Great job as always! Some Jujutsu here!
Super! Gold! Thank you!
How to find the complete footage of the atemi/self-defence training in the background?
I am absolutely so confused because I love your videos but I have been in kodokan Judo.daito ryu aiki jujitsu...kito ryu jujitsu..and tenjin shoden katori jujitsu.. there is always been artemi waza
Totally correct about why kata is important. Where the value is and where it isn't. Good video for historical purposes. But please judokas, do not look to judo or old jujitsu for efficient striking skills, no more than you would look to Tai chi for the most efficient throwing skills(although the concepts are good). Do not go to a judo school that doesn't actually have you throw or have no mats and don't take advice from a BJJ, Judo or jujitsu school with not gloves or protective gear in sight. All it takes is a decent study of western boxing, kickboxing, bare knuckle boxing and especially MMA or old vale tudo to see what strike are effective, where the strikes are effective and what strikes aren't as fatal as the traditional martial artist would tell you. Hammer fist are allowed in MMA. Hitting the back of the neck was an essential tactic for old school vale tudo and NHB(no more). It preceded the rear naked choke. No one died and were rarely KO. No gloves. Always look at the people who have the most at stake or rewards for efficient technique. In throwing with a jacket, look at sambo and judo. In taking a person down upper body, without clothe...look at greco. Leg takedowns, look at free or folkstyle wrestling. They investigated the methods of doing these things for Olympic or world championship honors and financial rewards that are life changing. The same with striking. People with the most at stake and garner the greatest rewards are boxers, kickboxers and MMA fighters...most recently bare knuckle boxing. Vital targets are not unknown. But what they are is difficult to get to under stress. People who haven't spent the months and years testing this with real resistance, under stress only have theories. There was a reason traditional karate fighters started learning boxing in the 70s when PKA first started( I actually fought PKA in the 80s). They only had theory before, but when they actually had to fight...they went to "the sweet science"...western boxing. If you want a very good book on the art and science of striking with the hands, research/read Jack Dempsey's classic books. There are no secrets or short cuts to what works. Just take 2-3 months of boxing lessons and you will see. Again, great historical reference and good suggestion of adding striking. You don't need your judo dojo for this, unless your judo coach has boxing experience and you have access to gloves.
☝️This guy knows.
Thank you Robert. Fortunately we don't have to worry about that because no one is training striking.
Used to strike in aikido class many years ago
My teacher studied goshin jujutsu and tomiki aikido. They go hand in hand together.
Tomiki designed goshin jutsu
@@Chadi yeah someone told me this before.
I love this. I thought I had seen it all
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Awesome training
Indeed
Chadi, have you looked at goshin jujitsu?
I have
Reminds me of German Ju-Jutsu. Start every technique with a shock.
Old school judo is the best Oss
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I use Kyusho for every situation that needs quick response with the most effective yet un-noticeablebe act. You can usually immobilize and subdue an attacker without using a lot of energy and drawing attention. But it's dangerous .most masters would not teach such to foreigners and when they did the true masters would very rarely teach the deadly arts. .
It gives you so many more targets.
Sorry, 1:52 is not Harai Goshi, that's Sode Tori from Kime No Kata and if anything O SOto Gari.
Sure
If only more dojo’s actually practiced atemi, and preferably in a practical manner.
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Great video @Chadi. What was the name of the book(s) with these techniques?
Thank you.
Link in description
@@Chadi thank you 🙏
great original japan martial arts
Indeed
There's the lumbar plexus and lots of other nerve bundles in the lower abdomen. Feels terrible!
I don’t think judo is nearly as practical of a self defense art if we don’t reapply atemi waza
Kung Fu was kind of like this you've got locking poking striking and usually it's all in one thing. I think Japanese styles were like this too before they separated them. Honestly it doesn't help you to not know one part of it.
Yeah, I did a few judo classes years ago, and at the end the instructor would teach some atemi, as a self defence thing. Judo and atemi definitely go together. Wasn't that eye opening for me, as I was already into kung fu, karate, and stuff. I must say my biggest mistake was not getting into boxing,
Finally!
Did Jigoro Kano adopt Kata from Karate, like Gichin Funakoshi? As I understand kata is an Okinawan thing.
No,they come from the older jujutsu.
Kito ryu and tenjin shinyo ryu had kata
Nihon Goshin Aikido
Keep it up :)
Will do;)
All styles are one
It's great .. our Gracie jiujitsu also have strikes . Punching and kicks , elbows , knees and headbutts .. just the sportive american jiujitsu type only has grappling but the Braziliean Gracie jiujitsu has the strikes and defences against armed attackers .... It's great to see that Judo it's a first class art ( sorry but it's my own opinion )cause usually ppl tend to go with kuryu japanese jujutsu where they say it's more complete than Judo ... And I have a different opinion ... Judo it's a first class art and jiujitsu and sambo are both Judo's strongest sons ...
Randori must have grappling mixed with striking.
Judo chop = hammer fist
Still looks a bit "we haven't done the banana" silly to me. Give me some randori atemi-waza!
In the past i believe they trained them a lot
3:35 is stupid though. The tori could've held the uke's upper arm (his reach enabled that) and that would've been much safer for him.
Maybe
Judo with Karate?
The purpose of Kara/forms should be reiterated over and over until those who blast older martial arts and for the bozos who practice traditional martial arts to realize they need sparring/randori.
And learn fundementals, old jujutsu schools sparred, kata preserved their techniques
@@Chadi yes! Always good stuff, thanks again for your work!