It's quite a shame the amount of hate you got from your last video. People are always like "We love different opinions, cause everything is the same rn" but also people when they actually face a different opinion: It's just that people want to hear repacking opinions of a very known topic just for that to be an echo of their own thoughts and confort them on it. You're doing great and I really appreciate your work; it's inspiring, informative, authentic and funny ! Also, your editing is EVERYTHING the gradation at 30:40 is so clever ! Can't wait to see what you will feed us XOXO
I think what's crazy is that the whole point of the hater video was to say "read outside your comfort zone" and the pinned comment was "wooooww Nene you need therapy cause you don't believe in sexual liberation" like yikes tell me you missed the point without telling me (also saying all that to a HS student is tacky af) . Especially when all the YA that i personally read is extremely boring when you're past the "honeymoon phase" and you go into the conflict+resolution period . Like please we need diversity not only in representation but also in storytelling .
agreed, also I think a lot of the comments hating on it were people who didn't actually take the time to watch and listen. tbh I was worried at first cause I thought it was going to be a pseudo-intellectual "if you don't read classics you're stupid!" but when I actually watched it all the way through I loved it so much, and I thought it was a wonderfully made, well-researched argument towards critical thinking. It's rough though, because the audience it drags in seem to be the type she was talking about in the first place, the "it's not that deep" and "i ain't reading allat" who probably won't take the time to actually listen to what she's saying, and instead just argue based on what they assume she is going to say
This video is so good. The dead girl is solely floating in the river, never taken out, never placed in. stuck floating, in the endless swift pull of the main characters tragedy that leads them to their manic pixie-ness. RILEY SAGER MY #1 OPP !!!!!
The end of this video gave me goose bumps. The dehumanization of girls, especially post-mortem, is extremely prevalent in our media. They are given this saint-like image, completely neglecting the complexities of their personas. The dead girl is almost infantilized, whose death transforms her into a pure being. Her faults are romanticized and largely ignored, the idea of “she was troubled” almost feeding into her allure. As a woman, this video has been an extremely moving and eye-opening experience. I hope you continue to bring up literary taboos that no one speaks on, you are doing an incredible job.
This is precisely why i love Twin Peaks so much! The show was created, in part, to subvert the dead girl trope and put a face to the often faceless violence on contemporary tv and in the media as a whole. Laura is given actual agency in the story and the show carries so much empathy for her not as a victim but as a person first and foremost. We see who she was and who she is. God I can't help but yap about the genius of this show 😭
exactly!! highly recommend TP and TP Fire walk with me for this reason especially. Lynch could've made FWWM the sequel to a controversially cancelled and we'll loved TV show, and tied it up in a bow. But instead, he decided to mostly tell the background of the show's source of love, tragedy and empathy, Laura Palmer. incredible stuff
yes and despite her dying before the first episode her absence is so conspicous, hanging in the air of every interaction of every character in the show. also the actress who played her mother sold the hell out of that performance
I originally put this video on as background noise while I studied but the points u made were so profound that I ended up listening to everything u had to say. 10/10 video and analysis+critiques on the "dead girl" trope! I'm so happy I found this ❤
One of the best books I've read that uses the Dead Girl so well is Sadie by Courtney Summers. It's a super in-depth novel and I think anyone would enjoy how it never simplifies or uses pain for a narative.
This was an amazing watch! i geniunely loved your interpretation of the dead girl.. you are right we all will be dead girls. Thank you so much for writing and creating this video! If you take suggestions I think it'd be interesting if you reviewed ORV.
Amazing video. You perfectly articulated some thoughts I've had for years about the character assassination death girls go through in media. A lot of writers reduce girls to a concept, to a tragedy or even a cheap motivation... Thank you for making this video, I'll definitely be checking a non fiction book or two to educate myself about the topic, it's definitely something I've been interested in but never really looked up, I just like learning about the ways sociocultural biases shape the way we write stories. I feel like I'm not explaining myself as well as I want to so I'll just applaud you again for this video, the amount of research and editing that was put into this is admirable, I really liked the format as well, i feel like you didn't miss a beat, and while I personally can't relate to that footage sat the end, it was very important and perfectly juxtaposed women's actual emotions with the ugliness of how pieces of media exploits female suffering for a narrative's sake, it really got to me Thank you for putting your time into this, I hope your work receives the praise it deserves 🌟
Just watched all of your videos and you are definetly now my top 2 content creators right beside hbomberguy. Your style of editing, your research and the way you present topics are so beautiful. Thank you for making content!
fantastic video as always queen 💗 though i wish you would’ve spoken about twin peaks/laura palmer more since you used a few clips in this - would love to hear your take on how lynch uses/subverts the dead girl trope. hope you post another video soon
I read Final Girls by Sager last year, I've unfortunately read some worse books since that, but Final Girls is absolute garbage and I'll never read another book by him again. Loved the video, thanks!
okay I dont usually comment on youtube videos because I dont often feel posessed to yell into a huge pit in the ground but like. this video is so good. and the booktok brainrot hater video was so good. and your videos are so good. and the ending was not corny because I knew so many of those girls and the ones who were dead and the ones who had already peaked and I thought of the other girls who I want painted on my walls like religious art recreating the tragedy of their falls from grace because we're all dead girls and you would have cried at the olympics if you were alexandra trusova too and agh!!!!!!!!!! mortality and the innate worth and humanness of every individual person has been fucking me up recently. I played the prequel to life is strange and was left with a fear of loss over the happy ending where these 2 stupid lesbians are doing their stupid lesbian shit because you know from the first game that one of those girls is dead and the other girl was the only one looking for her because everyone else thought she finally ran away like she said she would but in reality a teenage boy who wanted to impress his teacher gave her too many barbituates and the teacher spent the night burying that girl in the junkyard her girlfriend continued to hang out in for a year knowing that if she found her itd be there. and when she finds her body the mythical veil thats been surrounding her this whole time is dropped. because she was just a girl. and now shes rotting in a junkyard.
this reminded me of this movie i watched about a teenage girl that was trained to act as bait for serial killers, and then kill them. it was an overall mediocre movie, but it really rankled me anytime the movie showed HOW the seriall killer teenage guy and his seriall killer friends got their victims. like, what tennage girl goes on a first date with a guy she barely knows, there are 3 guys she's never seen before in this date, and then he asks her to go into his car with these friends so they can go to a different party? A party that, when she asks where it is, he says "it's a surprise :)"?? all of this at night??? whqt girl is doing that??? what girl is not freaking out, pretending to get sudden diarhea so she can hide in the female restroom???
i can affirm that i, as a young, college-aged woman, would rather die than do what charlie did. i'm really enjoying your videos so far, and can't wait to see more!
just watched the three videos that you have up right now and i absolutely love what you have to say, as a woman i can say that this encapsulated a large portion of my thoughts on womanhood. i look forward to any future content :)
really liked this whole video. interesting that i saw promising young woman completely differently. i found it refreshing we werent subjected to brutal flashbacks of nina's SA (except audio of bo's character observing it) or her death. we also get other peoples perspective of nina besides cassie's; nina's mother explicitly tells cassie she is wallowing in nina's memory and forgetting what the real person would have wanted. to me nina is significantly less exploited by the camera's gaze than laura palmer for example, and charitably i would say this was fennell's intention that the character is actually allowed to rest in peace. but youre right that it is easier to accept that a female creator was trying to be sensitive about these topics while male creators fall into the traps you mentioned. great video, made me think!
27:08 This is why its infuriating to see badly written women in fiction, especially if their stories are centered around their trauma or death. I don't know with what intentions Gillian Flynn had written Gone Girl, but when I first read it, it seemed to me a story of a flawed woman, not justifying her actions and not trying to sterilize it, but simply of a woman who could do something heinous and get away with it (I don't like the implications of calling Amy Dunne a "psychopath" or even wielding that word around carelessly). I don't know what it has turned into now, but now these "Female Rage" movies just honestly seem like a joke is being played on the women it represents. Never have I seen or read a book where "female rage" has been depicted what it is in its entirety - the feeling of despair and anger towards the world for being treated the way one is treated just because they are a woman. It might seem like I'm going on a different tangent here, but I'm honestly fed up of stories centering women end up to be a terrible read or a cheap gimmick for popularity and sales. The culture that forms from these god awful books or movies just further trivializes the pain of women and its enraging to see that, especially when the story in itself could've been wonderful had they (the Author) written the women characters Like That (sorta looking at you Murakami).
Loved this video. BUT I have to say, the thumbnail being Laura Palmer made me expect something very very different because I genuinely think Twin Peaks is the opposite of this garbage pattern in thrillers. I've never seen another story of "a beautiful girl gets murdered" that is so wholly about the girl, who she was, what her loss does to the community, and how important and complicated and living and breathing she was, rather than being about the killer or about making her a perfect symbol that ~represents something but removes her humanity in turn.
nell from the haunting of hill house mention rahhhhh! the choice to have nell's wedding be a point of return in thohh gets me everytime because it's nellie!! she loved luke and her cup of stars and arthur and she's so angry at steven and theo and confused and one of her final actions is in fact a giant assertion of her bravery (to return to the house, which under any other circumstances that weren't the house actually being haunted would have been great). she brings the siblings back together in the end and is excited that there are horses for luke's rehab center and reassures theo when she finds out she's a lesbian. even olivia, dead girl no1, is made so vividly within the show imo, or maybe I'm just a sucker for thohh
I think you're looking for logic and depth in a genre that isn't really conducive to it in the first place because the readers simply aren't looking for it. I know tons of girls that adore books like these and even though they would never react like them in real life, the female characters' actions seem perfectly acceptable within the purview of the pages.
The reactions of these fictional female characters are certainly part of the author's choices (the basic "yeah, it's just fiction"), but that doesn't make them any less ridiculous, absurd, or even moronic, which is why we, as readers, are questioning them in the first place. Even absurd humor has logic. When we read a work, we try to understand the message it conveys and what the characters have to tell us. If in this case everything is sloppy, poorly brought out, or even totally lunar, the fact that girls read it and enjoy it doesn't give the argument any more weight :'). Sometimes mediocre work is no less mediocre because it acknowledges its lack of credibility. It's not because the readers, as you assume, aren't looking for logic in this genre that makes them less, well, bad writing.
i'm so glad to have found your channel (via the being a hater vid)! who says being a hater doesn't bring good things forth xx
It's quite a shame the amount of hate you got from your last video. People are always like "We love different opinions, cause everything is the same rn" but also people when they actually face a different opinion:
It's just that people want to hear repacking opinions of a very known topic just for that to be an echo of their own thoughts and confort them on it.
You're doing great and I really appreciate your work; it's inspiring, informative, authentic and funny ! Also, your editing is EVERYTHING the gradation at 30:40 is so clever ! Can't wait to see what you will feed us XOXO
I think what's crazy is that the whole point of the hater video was to say "read outside your comfort zone" and the pinned comment was "wooooww Nene you need therapy cause you don't believe in sexual liberation" like yikes tell me you missed the point without telling me (also saying all that to a HS student is tacky af) .
Especially when all the YA that i personally read is extremely boring when you're past the "honeymoon phase" and you go into the conflict+resolution period . Like please we need diversity not only in representation but also in storytelling .
agreed, also I think a lot of the comments hating on it were people who didn't actually take the time to watch and listen. tbh I was worried at first cause I thought it was going to be a pseudo-intellectual "if you don't read classics you're stupid!" but when I actually watched it all the way through I loved it so much, and I thought it was a wonderfully made, well-researched argument towards critical thinking. It's rough though, because the audience it drags in seem to be the type she was talking about in the first place, the "it's not that deep" and "i ain't reading allat" who probably won't take the time to actually listen to what she's saying, and instead just argue based on what they assume she is going to say
This video is so good. The dead girl is solely floating in the river, never taken out, never placed in. stuck floating, in the endless swift pull of the main characters tragedy that leads them to their manic pixie-ness. RILEY SAGER MY #1 OPP !!!!!
The end of this video gave me goose bumps. The dehumanization of girls, especially post-mortem, is extremely prevalent in our media. They are given this saint-like image, completely neglecting the complexities of their personas. The dead girl is almost infantilized, whose death transforms her into a pure being. Her faults are romanticized and largely ignored, the idea of “she was troubled” almost feeding into her allure. As a woman, this video has been an extremely moving and eye-opening experience. I hope you continue to bring up literary taboos that no one speaks on, you are doing an incredible job.
This is precisely why i love Twin Peaks so much! The show was created, in part, to subvert the dead girl trope and put a face to the often faceless violence on contemporary tv and in the media as a whole. Laura is given actual agency in the story and the show carries so much empathy for her not as a victim but as a person first and foremost. We see who she was and who she is. God I can't help but yap about the genius of this show 😭
exactly!! highly recommend TP and TP Fire walk with me for this reason especially. Lynch could've made FWWM the sequel to a controversially cancelled and we'll loved TV show, and tied it up in a bow. But instead, he decided to mostly tell the background of the show's source of love, tragedy and empathy, Laura Palmer. incredible stuff
yes and despite her dying before the first episode her absence is so conspicous, hanging in the air of every interaction of every character in the show. also the actress who played her mother sold the hell out of that performance
Best channel on yt rn
truly
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i discovered this channel just today... but WOW. these videos are so very well articulated and researched. an absolutely fantastic watch.
this was great! never had a video essay make me feel so passionate. your channel is going to grow a lot with how good you are at these!
Your channel is incredible and provides such a unique perspective.
now i know why this video popped up when i searched for tchaikovsky's romeo and juliet
I originally put this video on as background noise while I studied but the points u made were so profound that I ended up listening to everything u had to say. 10/10 video and analysis+critiques on the "dead girl" trope! I'm so happy I found this ❤
could listen to you yap about books forever 🙌
the grungy shoegazy changeover at 2:29 is absolutely incredible. Great production quality through the whole vid
One of the best books I've read that uses the Dead Girl so well is Sadie by Courtney Summers. It's a super in-depth novel and I think anyone would enjoy how it never simplifies or uses pain for a narative.
This is edited so incredibly well
you are one of the best video essayers i've ever watched.
This was an amazing watch! i geniunely loved your interpretation of the dead girl.. you are right we all will be dead girls. Thank you so much for writing and creating this video! If you take suggestions I think it'd be interesting if you reviewed ORV.
Wow this was amazing! You made me cry
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Amazing video. You perfectly articulated some thoughts I've had for years about the character assassination death girls go through in media. A lot of writers reduce girls to a concept, to a tragedy or even a cheap motivation...
Thank you for making this video, I'll definitely be checking a non fiction book or two to educate myself about the topic, it's definitely something I've been interested in but never really looked up, I just like learning about the ways sociocultural biases shape the way we write stories.
I feel like I'm not explaining myself as well as I want to so I'll just applaud you again for this video, the amount of research and editing that was put into this is admirable, I really liked the format as well, i feel like you didn't miss a beat, and while I personally can't relate to that footage sat the end, it was very important and perfectly juxtaposed women's actual emotions with the ugliness of how pieces of media exploits female suffering for a narrative's sake, it really got to me
Thank you for putting your time into this, I hope your work receives the praise it deserves 🌟
so glad i found ur channel and omg this is amazing ♡ nearly made me cry T T
your so real! this video is so thoughtful and researched!
Just watched all of your videos and you are definetly now my top 2 content creators right beside hbomberguy. Your style of editing, your research and the way you present topics are so beautiful. Thank you for making content!
fantastic video as always queen 💗 though i wish you would’ve spoken about twin peaks/laura palmer more since you used a few clips in this - would love to hear your take on how lynch uses/subverts the dead girl trope. hope you post another video soon
I read Final Girls by Sager last year, I've unfortunately read some worse books since that, but Final Girls is absolute garbage and I'll never read another book by him again. Loved the video, thanks!
okay I dont usually comment on youtube videos because I dont often feel posessed to yell into a huge pit in the ground but like. this video is so good. and the booktok brainrot hater video was so good. and your videos are so good. and the ending was not corny because I knew so many of those girls and the ones who were dead and the ones who had already peaked and I thought of the other girls who I want painted on my walls like religious art recreating the tragedy of their falls from grace because we're all dead girls and you would have cried at the olympics if you were alexandra trusova too and agh!!!!!!!!!! mortality and the innate worth and humanness of every individual person has been fucking me up recently. I played the prequel to life is strange and was left with a fear of loss over the happy ending where these 2 stupid lesbians are doing their stupid lesbian shit because you know from the first game that one of those girls is dead and the other girl was the only one looking for her because everyone else thought she finally ran away like she said she would but in reality a teenage boy who wanted to impress his teacher gave her too many barbituates and the teacher spent the night burying that girl in the junkyard her girlfriend continued to hang out in for a year knowing that if she found her itd be there. and when she finds her body the mythical veil thats been surrounding her this whole time is dropped. because she was just a girl. and now shes rotting in a junkyard.
this reminded me of this movie i watched about a teenage girl that was trained to act as bait for serial killers, and then kill them. it was an overall mediocre movie, but it really rankled me anytime the movie showed HOW the seriall killer teenage guy and his seriall killer friends got their victims. like, what tennage girl goes on a first date with a guy she barely knows, there are 3 guys she's never seen before in this date, and then he asks her to go into his car with these friends so they can go to a different party? A party that, when she asks where it is, he says "it's a surprise :)"?? all of this at night??? whqt girl is doing that??? what girl is not freaking out, pretending to get sudden diarhea so she can hide in the female restroom???
ugh i'm so glad i found ur vids i love ur videos
Thank you so much for this.
So happy I found your channel! Your videos are amazing!
I was just gonna ask u why u took this one down but yay its back!!!!!
that ending was straight up poetry ngl
i can affirm that i, as a young, college-aged woman, would rather die than do what charlie did.
i'm really enjoying your videos so far, and can't wait to see more!
Excellent video essay!! I've subbed. Also, what song is used at 2:31?
ptolemaea - ethel cain
just watched the three videos that you have up right now and i absolutely love what you have to say, as a woman i can say that this encapsulated a large portion of my thoughts on womanhood. i look forward to any future content :)
AMAZING. Thank you
really liked this whole video. interesting that i saw promising young woman completely differently. i found it refreshing we werent subjected to brutal flashbacks of nina's SA (except audio of bo's character observing it) or her death. we also get other peoples perspective of nina besides cassie's; nina's mother explicitly tells cassie she is wallowing in nina's memory and forgetting what the real person would have wanted. to me nina is significantly less exploited by the camera's gaze than laura palmer for example, and charitably i would say this was fennell's intention that the character is actually allowed to rest in peace. but youre right that it is easier to accept that a female creator was trying to be sensitive about these topics while male creators fall into the traps you mentioned. great video, made me think!
27:08 This is why its infuriating to see badly written women in fiction, especially if their stories are centered around their trauma or death. I don't know with what intentions Gillian Flynn had written Gone Girl, but when I first read it, it seemed to me a story of a flawed woman, not justifying her actions and not trying to sterilize it, but simply of a woman who could do something heinous and get away with it (I don't like the implications of calling Amy Dunne a "psychopath" or even wielding that word around carelessly). I don't know what it has turned into now, but now these "Female Rage" movies just honestly seem like a joke is being played on the women it represents. Never have I seen or read a book where "female rage" has been depicted what it is in its entirety - the feeling of despair and anger towards the world for being treated the way one is treated just because they are a woman. It might seem like I'm going on a different tangent here, but I'm honestly fed up of stories centering women end up to be a terrible read or a cheap gimmick for popularity and sales. The culture that forms from these god awful books or movies just further trivializes the pain of women and its enraging to see that, especially when the story in itself could've been wonderful had they (the Author) written the women characters Like That (sorta looking at you Murakami).
you give some real good advice among your pointed critique here
does anyone know if she takes followers on goodreads?
Loved this video. BUT I have to say, the thumbnail being Laura Palmer made me expect something very very different because I genuinely think Twin Peaks is the opposite of this garbage pattern in thrillers. I've never seen another story of "a beautiful girl gets murdered" that is so wholly about the girl, who she was, what her loss does to the community, and how important and complicated and living and breathing she was, rather than being about the killer or about making her a perfect symbol that ~represents something but removes her humanity in turn.
nell from the haunting of hill house mention rahhhhh! the choice to have nell's wedding be a point of return in thohh gets me everytime because it's nellie!! she loved luke and her cup of stars and arthur and she's so angry at steven and theo and confused and one of her final actions is in fact a giant assertion of her bravery (to return to the house, which under any other circumstances that weren't the house actually being haunted would have been great). she brings the siblings back together in the end and is excited that there are horses for luke's rehab center and reassures theo when she finds out she's a lesbian. even olivia, dead girl no1, is made so vividly within the show imo, or maybe I'm just a sucker for thohh
Came to ask, do you have any psychological or cosmic horror book recommendations
I haven’t read this book, and I don’t plan to, but 5:26 CONFIRMED. WTAH
so is ur name alihsha or what
Couldn't really understand your voice in the first part of the video, had to keep rewinding to understand what you were saying.
🎶 like Natalie Wood… 🎶
These "thrillers" are a laugh in the face of feminism
Psycho was a masterpiece that opened a horrible pandora’s box
I think you're looking for logic and depth in a genre that isn't really conducive to it in the first place because the readers simply aren't looking for it. I know tons of girls that adore books like these and even though they would never react like them in real life, the female characters' actions seem perfectly acceptable within the purview of the pages.
The reactions of these fictional female characters are certainly part of the author's choices (the basic "yeah, it's just fiction"), but that doesn't make them any less ridiculous, absurd, or even moronic, which is why we, as readers, are questioning them in the first place. Even absurd humor has logic. When we read a work, we try to understand the message it conveys and what the characters have to tell us. If in this case everything is sloppy, poorly brought out, or even totally lunar, the fact that girls read it and enjoy it doesn't give the argument any more weight :'). Sometimes mediocre work is no less mediocre because it acknowledges its lack of credibility. It's not because the readers, as you assume, aren't looking for logic in this genre that makes them less, well, bad writing.
@@fairyd3ity967 Oh it's bad writing for sure. My point is that nothing can be done about it. There aren't enough people looking for good writing.