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This was a really good episode, thank you very much! Biden is trying to give Putin a chance, knowing Putin he (Putin) will blow it (might already have done so). Once he does then it's back to stupid sanctions. I would prefer the USA to be competing against China, not against China+Russia, if possible. We should nonetheless build a big ol' base in Poland (and Germany should rearm instead of cheaping out and putting it on Poland).
Great episode! Will Europe build a Danube --> Adriatic sea canal (to bypass Turkey) ? Will Europe build a Danube --> Aegean sea canal (to bypass Turkey) ? Will Europe build a Black sea (via Bulgaria/Greece) --> Thracian Sea canal (Or is this too close to Turkey -- a historic aggressor in the area?)
It was partitioned, not dissolved. Slovakia was a sovereign state prior to the Soviet invasion with the complicity of the Anglo-American bloc. The Slovaks are largely devout Catholics. The Czechs are largely secularists.
@@philipgage4143 What the fuck are you talking about. Czechia only started becoming atheist since the 20th century, just like any other European nation, and, thankfully, continues the trend to this day, just like any other European nation. Them being under communist rule just catalized the entire process. Furthermore, more than 80% of Czechs were catholics during the first decades of the 20th century. >Crazy that history only associates crusader with the Middle East. Yes, because that's where the most big crusades took place + Sacking of Constantinople is arguably more important than templars losing in the baltics or cathars losing in France. > But majority of them were launched against protestant christians in Europe. No. Interest in crusades was long gone when protestantism emerged. There was not a single crusade against protestants, let alone "majority of them". Only crusades carried against christian 'sects' like Cathars and Waldensians were carried during the middle ages, during the time of crusades, centuries before protestantism and has nothing to do with Hussites, which comprised only a portion of Czech population. You're straight up lying
@@It9LpBFS37 Nope, immigration records fron Ellis island show that about half of Czech immigrants to USA were pretty irreligious already in mid.19th century. In some places in USA Czechs were even forbidden to be burried at cemeteries as their godless corpses would spoil the holy soil..
Your videos are super good. The Slovak point of view in this video is very accurate. The only thing to add would be that whenever there is a meeting of high level representatives of V4, there is always a public debate, whether the V4 is still useful. Anyway, I am thrilled to see a geopolitical channel from my home region of Central Europe, we need more of those. High production quality, interesting topics... you would deserve at least 10 times more subs and views. Keep up the good work!
What "public debate" whether the V4 is still useful? Fifth column and filth like PS want V4 out, because they know that V4 united is strongest German economic partner ahead of USA and China.
for hungary: berlin, moscow, wasington, benjing is a similar shit. better to keep them far, but keep up the trading and good political connection. but how it looks we will brake with berlin pretty soon.
The truth about the huge growth of the Polish economy is that Germany has made Poland their extended work bench. However the Poles definitely benefit from this just as much as the German companies do.
Jein. Cheap labor for sure and outsourcing the Wehrmacht oops Bundeswehr to Poland is cunning in a short term greedy vicious way but stupid, Poland might slow down the C.A. but is not strong enough to stop the T-72s which may poor through that nice flat indefensible landscape. And then what?
The largest investor in Poland is American capital. Labor costs in Poland are not among the lowest in the EU, so it is rather a combination of several factors of labor costs, the quality of the education system, geographic location and the size of the internal market that makes the country competitive in terms of acquiring investment capital and know-how. Today, Poland has a much more innovative economy than Spain and is approaching the level of Italy, boy, you are talking about the reality from a decade ago, today, research and development centers are also built in Poland, not only screw factories.
@@QuizmasterLaw Poland could have excellent relations with Russia if only Poland gave up competing with Russia for influence in Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine. But Poland will never give up, because this is a factor that gives Poland the prospect of creating a system that would balance the potential of Russia or Germany in the region. For Poland, the V4 is only an alternative political substrate, not a strategic direction.
Poland gets five times more than what anyone gets from European funding that’s why. While others countries pay to be in the EU, Poland gets a shit tone of money from the EU.
Hungarian here. Nobody - except for extremists - wants to really reverse Trianon. The main goals nowadays are minority rights and autonomy for the Hungarian minorities living in the surrounding countries.
As a romanian I would support your country reversing the Trainon treaty with one condition. Transylvania remains part of Romania. We can't even give it to you because it's forbided by our Consitution. I would like, on the other hand, for the hungarians in Transylvania to be given more power, autonomy, and identity but still remain in Romania as an equal partner. Kinda like a personal union status. We have our divergences from before. But it doesn't matter the historical truth, your people are angry at us. So this would be best for all. In this way we could also focus on the important matters instead of criticizing each other. After all, that's how we survived the Ottomans. So for me, my only condition would be for this new semi autonomous state to maintain the same goals as the country that is in and for the pool of resources and decision making to be shared between them. It's hard to partition territory as an independent state entity and it damages the economy of both the old and the new country. So I think that this would be a better move. I'm open to hear your suggestions. But I warn you that partition of territory is not an answer. For instance, I don't even care anymore about the territory that we had from Greater Romania or from the times of Dacia. Why? Because the focus is not on acquiring territories but maintaining them and increasing their overall output. Land with no value does nothing to the economy and so I can he happy that the romanians that reside in those territories have equal rights as the main target group. We can't commit sepuku either to our country, by partitioning the territory entirely, but we can't let this divergences to consume us either. It's better if we would be united and it would make it harder for other countries to pressure us in doing things that we don't agree with. I'm also open for an alliance with Hungary in the future as a guarantee of friendship after this personal union project would be implemented. My reasoning for this suggestion is because by letting ourselves be divided, we lose. And also, because I really value the Byzantine Empire and when I first hear about the Bulgarian revolt and how a Wallachian leader of proto Romanians helped destabilize the Byzantine Empire after it was given a lot of rights in the Empire just to work on a single goal on maintaing the empire unity, I got disgusted because of this fact. Because my Wallachians would have been better of in the Byzantine Empire than in a newly formed state which lacked infrastructure and all of that. I will be waiting for an answer.
TE ROHADÉK ÁRULÓ! NEM MAGYAR AZ AKINEK NEM FÁJ A TRIANON ÉS AHOGY ÉN LÁTOM TE NEM IS VAGY MAGYAR A NEVEDBŐL! KÄFIG? ILYET EGYÁLTALÁN NEM TANULTAM NYELVTANON!! MAGYARORSZÁG A LEGJOBB VESSZEN VESSZEN TRIANON HALÁL AZ ÁRULÓKRA!
@@novaimperialis Thank you for your answer! My suggestion is not partition, but minority rights and autonomy for Hungarians in the surrounding countries. Look at South Tyrol, Aland Islands, Basque country, Aosta Valley, or even Vojvodina. In all this areas autochtonous ethnicities enjoy autonomy and minority rights while remaining part of the larger country. In my eyes that would be a reasonable compromise.
@@karpatiafan3323 Look at this Hungarian extremist here. Of course Trianon remains a dark hour in the history of Hungary. But there is not even the slightest chance to rewind the 100 years that passed since Trianon. What the heck would Hungary do with the millions of Romanians living now in Transsylvania? Expel them, and do even more harm? No, that is not the way to go for sure.
@@richardschenk4058 Understood. My response was based on the assumption that this would not be enough. So regarding this hungarians actually are pretty autonomous in the region. We have a political party dedicated to the hungarian minorities and the language spoken in the regions with a significant portion of hungarians is hungarian in both administration and day to day activities. So then I think that there's a misconception between what the conditions really are and what is presented. I think it's due to our biases. Anyway, I say this as someone who grew a disdain for Hungary for what it did in the past(not necessarily hungarians, but rulers). But I understood that it's better to have friends than enemies and I always liked this concept of making your friend an ally with which you could collaborate for mutual beneficial goals. Besides this, I learned to appreciate Hungary and hungarians for other things. For instance, creating the necessary infrastructure in Transylvania which made it to be one of Romania most developed regions, the alliances that we had in the past against the Ottomans, the trade routes created, etc. Those are just to name a few. Now, I'm even disgusted for being against your group because I understood that we are like pieces of puzzle. We connect and together we sustain each other in a coherent structure formed based on this connection. And it is a loss if instead of aknowledging this connection, instead we hurt ourselves by damaging the other which is the unconscious representation of ourself, or what we lack as well and secretly desire.
Young Slovakian Hungarian here: Most of us don't want to be reunited with Hungary. Many of us go to Slovak schools and proceed to universities all over Slovakia. We stay in the country and strive to make it better for both Slovaks and Hungarians. Some of us go to universities in Hungary too though, but those people don't come back to work in Slovakia when they graduate. They mostly remain in Hungary and found families there.
Őszintén szólva ma Magyarországon csak a szélső jobb (Mi Hazánk) akarja Trianont visszafordítani. Teljesen lehetetlen a dolog és én például nem is érzem szükségesnek. Ha a külhoni magyarok ugyanolyan jogokat kapnak mint minden más nemzetiség ezekben az országokban akkor én boldog leszek. Én úgy szeretek Trianonra gondolni hogy a kisantant minden erővel megpróbálta a magyarságot valahogyan eltávolítani a frissen megszerzett területekről. Nem jártak sikerrel. Úgyhogy mivel még mindig élnek Szlovákiában, Romániában, Ukrajnában, stb. magyarok ezért szerintem legalábbis ez egy kisebb sikertörténet.
@@gergoturan4033 Just a side note: I find it fascinating that without knowing a word of Hungarian it's obvious that it's Hungarian by just looking at it. Really differs from anything else (I know, because the proto hungarians came from more central asian regions) that uses the Latin script.
Then reverse the Benes decrees and give at least as much rights and schools to the Hungarians as much we gave you..Rights like, one does not have to speak Slovak to attend to their administrative affairs at least on a county level..No more propaganda in history books that actively produce hatered based on lies towards Hungarians..etc Than we can talk about striving to make it better.
@@mountainjew1474 really? than who is suing the Minority SafePack rn? Oh, you mean to tell me Slovakia just joined it on the suing side? WOOOOW. But I live in a bubble. okay, dud. sure, moron.
6:43 Hungary does not claim her lost territories. In fact I haven't met any sane Hungarian above the age of 16 dreaming about claiming them. Most Hungarians wish our communities outside the new borders were respected enough to simply receive political autonomy.
There are numerous Hungarian secret service agents in Romania, Ukraine, Slovakia and Serbia and the number of diplomats are oddly high as well. I am convinced that the current government is aiming to position itself well to be able to regain some of the lost territories in case an opportunity comes. Despite it being very unlikely, Orban is prepared for it.
Hungarians are a small minority in the southern part of Slovakia. After a 1000 year subjugation by the Hungarians, if they want autonomy, they can go across the border. You cannot try to forcefully assimilate an ethnic and erase their national feelings and then claiming a need for political autonomy. If Hungarians dont like hostility on the basis of political determination, you can always peacefully return. They should be glad, that something like Benes decrees were not made after Trianon...
@@Spectification What you say is the same as if I said that if Slovaks had not liked Hungary, then why didn't they move to Czechia? Every minority has the right for self-determination, including Slovaks and Hungarians.
The simplest, but greatest complication with Hungarian-Polish relations is, that Poles (understandably) loathe Russia, while Hungarians, though not fond of Russian influence, don't. President Orban is willing to open up to Russia, for e.g our newest atomic reactor is being built by russian companies, while Poland's relationship with Russia is rather cold.
@@Holuunderbeere Germany has been through a castration, while Russia still has steel balls. German policy is rather pacific, german politicians are rather liberal, while russians are the opposite.
@@Just_another_Euro_dude Yes at that point (dissolution), but currently stuff is mixing, Arabs and Turks investing in Serbia, US and EU exercising soft power in Bosnia, China coming into play etc.
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Very informative video, please make a video on the Lublin Triangle. I think Poland's interests and future are more aligned with Lithuania and Ukraine than with the other Visegrad countries: Hungary, Czech and Slovak Republics.
@@annexcendent8511 In 1335 alliance between Hungary, Poland and Czech was signed in Visegrad. Remembering to that alliance, the modern V4 was named from. Also see a quote from the 16th/17th century, also seen in some molinos in football or handball matches nowdays (in Polish and Hungarian language): “Polish and Hungarian are 2 good friends, fight together and drink good wine together”
@@lajos-berenyi true, but treaty didnt prevent wars. For example just 10years later polish-czech war broke up by polish attacked silesia which was part of treaty.
@@annexcendent8511 but you could say that even more for the countries of the EU: all europian contries have wars each other troughout the history almost contioniusly, so do you think therefore the EU has no future? The countries of the V4 have much more common in the past and in the present (historically, economically and culturally) as well, than the countries of the whole EU.
@@lajos-berenyi my point was Visegrád treaty was only short term and didnt chance anything for future. Me as Czech i cant identify with it. We have much more common with Germany and Austria historically and economically. We are sometimes represent as 17th bundes state by economic mean. Your traditions are combination slovanic with germanic parts. V4 lost purpose for us, times changed and we dont share same goals anymore.
@@millevenon5853 Excuse me, but what roots? This region is geographically right in the middle of the continent, and it has been considered Central Europe for a 1000 years (Latin religion, Latin alphabet, Central European Time Zone), only reason why would people call these countries "Eastern" is Stalin's division of continent after WW2.
It seems that the countries have very different interests: the Poles focus on countering Russia while the other members are pragmatic towards it, Hungary wants to dream of recovering territories that were liberated from their yoke after WW1. Apparently, they don't have that much in common.
"were liberated from their yoke after WW1" problem was that many territories were purely Hungarian population territories. The border after WW1 didn't take in count different populations. It was defined by a ring railroad in the Hungarian Kingdom. Hungary was the only country that bordered itself, because on both sides of the border was populated by Hungarians.
trianon will be eternal :))) regardless of how and where Hungary fornicates :)) in the Transylvanian territory they had max 2 mil with exaggeration, of ethnic Hungarians, of which at least 200/300 mi Hungarianized. not to mention mixed families.
@@leomarin2205 even if let's say, Hungary receives Transilvania, they will have 5 million Romanians. Hungary has a population of 9 millions. These kids are deluded.
Very interesting, thanks. I am a Brit living in Hungary. Another dispute with the EU, would be the LGBT issue, at least for Poland and Hungary. Don't know about the other two.
@@exstazius I live in a village in the southwest, not far from Lake Balaton, and I love it. I am keeping an eye on the present situation, however, which is a little worrying.
@@athb4hu I am half Hungarian and gay. I share your concerns. My experience is although that in Budapest people are totally the opposed of the image of Hungary that the government portrays. It is open and tollerant, a great gay night life is also present. This new law is a political manouevre for the election's. Now orban is doing a referendum regarding a law that is already in power. I hope that they dont reach the 50% as the referendum is than void. I love Hungary but the current government is more and more treating it as a personal kingdom.
@Anthony Simmons ultra right... Like not having LGBT in sex ed under 18. Or the public access database for sex offenders is what you object to? Enjoy your drag queen story time for kindergardeners then!
As a Russian I respect the Czech the most. It's the only Visegrad country where you can buy a SIM card with no ID. The most free country of all! I don't care if Hungary is more "loyal" towards the Russian regime and Slovakia is more neutral when it comes to anti-Russian sentiment. I adore Polish language though, it's amazing!
As a Northern Slovakians i was always leaning towards Czech culture more.... The modern kind (😂 as East k now's, we love our folklores) Why? Because they write more free. Whilst it doesn't or didn't quite affect shopping. It affects the ideas around you and Czechs wrote always far more freedom minded from what i have met. Not that they don't get problems of their own but Still... As for Russia. I used to be anti Russian, more from tradition than reason. Now i agree with some, disagree with most. I still see US, Russia and China as the biggest threats there are. Us is seemingly crumbling under their own political games. China... Whilst being one of the largest bullies announced it won't stand being bullied anymore meanwhile they just enforcing military state in HongKong and God help us all if they qere preparing to "unify" With Taiwan (basically Democratic Chinese government in exile) again. And Russsia... Well for the most part keeping its self cool and aomewhat low ans less flashy. Quietly under the mists tries to secure waters in arctic plus the tensions with their European border neighbours. You see If Russia wasn't as Homophobic, racist, sexist and more concerned about the well-being of its citizens and nature i would probation be pro Russia without any problem. And whilst i believe racism, sexism and homophobia have went down power time. No one can deny it is Still quite strong.
Lord Damianus I like nasal vowels(diphthongs) for me it's pretty unique when it comes to slavic languages , I just like the sound of Polish in general. Czech and Slovak is cool too, no offense LOL I just learned some Czech so it kinda lost it's "magic" for me.
With no real power?!?! We just figured out how even the slightest cooperation helps us greatly asserting our interest, just as other EU regions have been successfully doing for decades.
"Bohemia" is not only the historical region of Czechia but also the former name of Czechia. The Czech/Bohemian king was in Visegrad as the leader of the whole country, not just the region.
A little update about relations of Czech Republic and Poland. The mine Túrow you mentioned is the main reason of new bad relations. The Czechs even sent Polish ambassador back to Poland. As Czech im a bit sad about these conflicts. I really love Poland and i want Czech Republic to have good relations with Poland CZ❤PL
I don't know your source of information. AFAIK the conflict was settled at least on highest level by treaty in which Poland has to pay some compensations to affected border region in Czechia. New right-wing government of Czechia under Petr Fiala wants to have good relations with PL, even more now when stability of the region was shakened by the Russian invasion. For now I think we (I'm Czech too) have more common ground with Poland than ever before, compared to wacky Hungary and its BFF to Putin.
@@dejsihorcici6886 Do not agree with that. Poland just recently got Czechia territories after ww1 and 2 and they did not stop invading us more than any other country I personally do not think the Czech and Poland's relationship can ever be good if they do not return stolen silesia and some of lustiria which Poland systematically culturally anexed since the day of them taking the land.
People in Poland want to cooperate with V4 countries and have normal realtions with all neighbours including Russia. Our 'politicians' driving country to same fate like in 1939...
Normal relations should include respecting the other members' interests. If anything might repeat itself, it will definitely be the hungarian attitude. During ww2 the Hungarians said how concerned they are about the carnages the Germans were commiting upon the Poles... but nothing above it, while enjoying the territorial gifts Hitler gave to Hungary. Same here: Russia attacks Poland, and Hungary says how outrageous it is... while enjoying the territorial gifts from Putin. Poland should just develop her own strength and stop relying on allies.
@@aleksanderwielopolski8205 That is true. Relying on allies has been their downfall multiple times. It's funny how the mentality is so suspicious, but in the politics it is so naive.
@@aleksanderwielopolski8205 Very well, what did you expect? Hungary couldn't rely on Polish help, when it was invaded in 1918-1920, so regent Horthy had to build up everything from scratch, diplomatically isolated. Poland was, and still is on good terms, with one of the most hostile power to Hungary, Romania, which country took half of Hungary's land. Let's not go into deep details, I know the ethnic makeup of Transylvania. Hungarian economy grew by the german trade, and history repeats itself, german companies give jobs to many hungarian people. While the polish...? Well...
@@mastermindd Poland's economy skyrocketed too... yet we aren't happy. The standards of living have obviously become much better, but at the same time the previous pro-european governments had been massively selling the polish companies into the hands of foreign capital, and the foreign companies pay no taxes to Poland whatsoever. Brussels treats Poland simply as a colony. The one which Brussels has certainly developed, but at the same time taking care about not allowing the Poles to have their country for their own. Personally I think that the Law and Justice should just massively nationalize all of it, and then turn into capitalism to unleash Poland's full potential. Of course the first step will infuriate the European Union, so whether Law and Justice will have the balls to do it, is a different case. But if they do it and repel the outrage from EU, Poland might develop the influence in Belarus and Ukraine, while proposing the Russians "Neither of us should make any annexations upon these lands, let's treat them as buffer states". But before such phase even begins, Poland must repel the diplomatic aggression from Brussels. And that's where the polish-hungarian interests will coexist.
Great overview! Is the writer of the script polish by any chance? I can't really put my finger on it but somehow the views seem a little skewed towards the polish side.
@@CallOfDutySniperzzz We know it, Russia's hobby is taking down Hungarian revolutions. Still, many, especially elderly people consider the socialist age, even despite the failed revolution, as good times, and therefore, don't hate Russia. -a Hungarian
@@mastermindd It's funny because most people remember it as the worst time in History. Every Pole I ever asked thinks it too. They say there wasn't anything to buy and people had to wait in lines for hours for simple products. Half of products were sold to friends before it ever reached stores and corruption was rampant. People had no perspective. I wonder why the Hungarians see it so different from the Poles. -A Pole
No sane people will believe that Greater Hungary will ever be restored. I know well enough who is Viktor Orbán, whom I detest, to say that this is not his aim. Yes he has a Greater Hungary map on his office's wall, but that's nostalgia, and populism. I don't deny however, that a less ambitious border redrawing can be in his mind, maybe as an aftermath of a third world war. The video brings this up to highlight his friendship with Russia and his relationship problem with Slovakia. This is still a good point, but I wanted to add nuance, because the way this video said, it was just half true.
It´s always educational to have hungarians commenting politics. Without them we would have never known (or cared) who was the first inhabitant of central Europe.
I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the V4 group. Sure each nation has its own priorities and will doubtless pursue them. But don't forget that they also share some deep historical ties that are hard to ignore. To give one example, during World War 2 Poland was very obviously opposed to Nazi Germany, Hungary, however, was an ally of the same country. Yet, during the Warsaw Uprising of 1944, Hungarian units refused to assist their ally in the suppression of the Poles, despite being stationed very close by. Indeed some men of the Hungarian Army even joined the Polish Home Army in the city. A strong foundation for that friendship is the centuries of standing together against the Ottoman Empire's attempts to conquer Mitteleuropa. Hungary even cited the Poles' salvation of Vienna and Hungary in 1682 as the reason they would not turn their weapons on Poles. Interestingly, that also explains why the V4 nations tend to regard the eu's all-welcoming approach to Syrian refugees differently to the western European nations who dominate the eu. Hungarians, Poles, Czechs and Slovaks see columns of young, middle-eastern men walking up the roads from Turkey somewhat less benignly than the people of Belgium and France whose memory of refugees is coloured by their own grandparents' experiences escaping German panzer columns in 1940.
The examples you gave (especially the WW2 one) literally contradict your point. Don't you see that? Despite alleged common interests Czechoslovakia, Poland and Hungary remained in conflict not only during the Interwar period and WW2 but also through centuries before. Historical ties aren't enough to form a block of countries. You need common interests for that.
@@kamilszadkowski8864 You mean the example I gave, I mentioned two examples, of which only one, the Warsaw Uprising had the Poles and the Hungarians on opposite sides. And even then, a sense of solidarity prevented the Hungarians from attacking the Poles when, technically, they would have been well within their rights and possibly militarily correct to do so. I also didn't deny that the V4 countries have differing priorities upon which they will act when they feel the need. What I said was "don't write the group off so quickly". Why? Because alongside the differences, highlighted in the article, there is also a lot of common history much spent dealing with a common foe. In 16832 the Hungarians had been forced to come to an accommodation with the Turks - in essence they collaborated (although from what I read they did as little co-operating as they could) That doesn't mean they don't recognise the dramatic change Sobieski brought about by defeating the Turks outside Vienna and then going on to chase them out of a lot of Hungarian territory. The V4 nations are independent nations with independent national priorities. This means that there will be times the appear to act against each other. But equally they are 4 nations that share a lot of common history and I suspect there will be many more times when that history and modern common interests combine to make them act together in mutual co-operation.
11:46 Imagine not being able to mine resources within your own borders because it reduces your neighbour's groundwater. Not taking sides here, but that's an issue island countries like my own don't have to deal with thankfully. The 21st century has a potential water crisis looming, on a global level. The fight over water intensifies.
The problem is a bit complicated, because it is the only Polish mine in the region. All the others belong to the Czechs and Germans, and the Germans and the Czechs want to finish this Polish mine, because they want to have a monopoly.
Some central asian countries are already having armed conflicts over water disputes. If you are interested in this topic, check "Central Asia on the verge of a water war" by Caspian Report, unless you already saw that video. It's a similar channel, if I'm not mistaken Good Times Bad Times already had a collab with them
Hungary may have lost a lot of its territory, but look at Lithuania now and look at it like 400 years ago. Or Germany before and after WW1, where they lost soo much land for a war they didn’t start.
😂 I mean, some of the lost territories were just lost territory of other nations Eg the Slovak and Czech part, both were there before Hungarians were, then lost their territory, then gained it again.
Thanks for mentioning Germany. But the loss of territory after WW1 was bearable, because in some of these areas ethnic Poles, Danes and French were the majority. But after WW2 Germany lost additional 25% of her territory (of the interwar period) with an almost 100% German majority.
As a Czech there I have to make one point: Yes Visegrád isn't a very coherent group and it's pretty nonsensical how other countries often talk about it in collective terms. Since the member states have expelled Soviet troops and later entered NATO and EU, Visegrád has no real agenda apart from just being good neighbors. But that in itself is an important thing. Between the two world wars, there was basically a cold war between Czechoslovakia and Hungary. Up until 1933 Hungarians, not Germans, were considered the greatest threat to Czechoslovak democracy and territorial integrity, while relations with Poland have also been very bad. After WW2 all three countries became gradually (more like instantly in case of Hungary and Poland since they were occupied already in 1945) part of the Soviet sphere of influence and "had" to be friends under Moscow's supervision despite their disputes. So after 1989 Czechoslovaks, Poles and Hungarians didn’t really know whether they can be friends "voluntarily" or whether Czechoslovaks and Poles will once again fight over Těšín area, Klodzko, Orava and Spiš, whether Hungary will try to retake Hungarian-speaking territories in Southern Slovakia, and whether Central Europe shall became another Balkans. Presidents Havel, Wałęsa and Göncz (and later also Kováč of Slovakia) managed to signal to all nationalists in their countries that there shouldn’t be new salt added to old wounds. And we live in peace, though I wouldn’t say we're great friends collectively either - Czechs and Slovaks are certainly brother nations today more than before the partition, while Poles and Hungarians like each other. Slovaks on the other hand don’t really get along with Hungarians and Czechs have problems with Poland (or more with Poles mining lignite near the border but also with their homophobic and "pro-life" laws, which is also our problem with Hungary, but generally few Czechs know anything about Hungary). So the whole point of Visegrád is peace and good relations in Central Europe, which is beneficial for us all and frankly for all Europe and world. It has no clear agenda in geopolitical terms, nor has it cultural reasons - as I said Czechs and Slovaks are pretty close, but we have few things in common with Poland and virtually nothing in common with Hungary. Actually Czechia is closest to Austria when it comes to traditions, food, habits and idioms, though we differ in religious matters of course (but that is also the case with our V4 partners)
True, as a Slovak I always looked at the Czech traditions as a very Austrian in influence. Still very familiar and similar to. Us Slovaks, but different. But hey... There is a Historical reason... In Austria-Hungary, Slovaks were under Hungarians, Czechs were under Austrian.
Thank you for sharing this point of view. I've never been to Slovakia but the Czech anywhere are the friendliest central Europeans I've met! I also like Czech food and the cities. It feels like a love child between Germany and Poland to me. God bless Bohemia!
Yea Because Czechs are extremely Germanized, and never resisted German influence. While Poland and Hungary did. I would barely consider Czechs as Slavs, since so much of their culture was shaped by Germans and not by their own destiny.
@@Antekdzi1 Wait, Czechs didn't resist German influence? There was little to none German influence in Poland and Hungary (who actually aren't Slavs btw), since German settlement there cannot be compared with German settlement in Czech Lands. Czech language nearly disappeared in 17th and 18th century, yes. But then from 1770s to 1840s it went through a period of national revival and replaced German once again as no. 1 language. It's true that Czechs are definitely more Western culturally than our Eastern neighbors, and that we are closest to Austrians in many ways (who are also a cultural mix) but we are very proud to call ourselves Slavs and in fact we may be the most Slavophilic (and historically Russophilic) nation of all. Our national identity was basically born from anti-Germanism.
From Hungary and a Hungarian conservative, dare I say, nationalist: This is a very, very incorrect video! Trying to influence the public by insinuating, no, flatout telling that the current Hungarian government is somehow working towards a revisionistic goal seeking to regain lost territories of the Trianon Treaty is simply utterly untrue! Shame on the makers of this video; shame... We have the best relationship with Slovakia thus far in history, and that is something to be cherished! The Slovak Government was very sympathetical and tactful with Hungary and Hungarians (on both side of the border) during the centenial anniversary of Trianon/modern Slovakian statehood. And there was (is) grief but mostly solemn rememberance in Hungary (because of the loss, the memories of innumerable families and communities torn apart by new borders drawn by victorious Western Countries; but contraintuitively certainly not because of the Slovaks celebrating their statehood) but no revisinonism! And I would like to think that Hungary was not spoiling Slovakia's celebrations of it's statehood either. Don't see, how this alleged Hungarian revisionism affects Poland and the Czech Republic though... We do have differing stances on certain matters, but that is normal and to be expected in a loose alliance of 4 INDEPENDENT countries (as oppsed to the federal governments of the USA, Canada; and what our Western European neighbours want the EU to become...). Still more things unite us than what separtes us. And if differences and diverging interests are to be scrutinized, it begs the question: why, oh why are the makers of this video overemphasizing alleged and existing differences in the case of the V4, foreshadowing potential loss of cohesion, and still not pointing out how theese differences, existing today, or just envisioned by the makers of this video, are far less pronounced and far less unsolvable than the differences between any given member of the V4 and Germany, for example, not to mention the EU and it's Brussels institutions as such, or Washington... Personally, I would like to see our countries further deepening the V4 cooperation; not unlike how the revised Międzymorze / Medzimorie/ Tengerköz / Intermarum geopolitical project outlined it in the 1920's. We, the indigenous nations of Central Europe deserve a future where we are our own masters, not Berlin, not Brussels, not Washington, not ewen Moscow (yes, yes, currently indeed the least fearsome in Hungarian minds - and we would know, believe me: 1848/49; 1939/45; 1945-1989)! ** Greetings from Hungary! Long live all of our independent sovereign member states of the V4 - as they are, and yes, that includes modern Slovakia! (Hungarian governmental and popular revisionism my conservative ethnocentric Magyar arse...) P.s.: if one wishes to learn more about Central European regionalism and national interests of the V4 members, don't be basic: please learn the languages of theese Countries, and stop relying solely on ten minutes-long english language videos, there is much too many things lost or willfully ommited in translation... **edited: forgot to mention the Revolution of 1956 as a milestone of Magyar-Soviet/Russian relations
The current Slovak goverment warmed up to the Hungarians on a verbal level. Dont think too much of it. They are nice when they get something from us but aside from stopping the persecution of Slovak-Hungarian double citizens they have done nothing on the level of actual acts. Despite this there are still very strong racist anti-Hungarian voices in the Slovak political elite, not even mentioning the absolutely brainwashed Slovak population that would love to stone to death any historian who dares to question the Slovak propaganda in their history books.
Well, the first thing that should be noted is that Czechoslovakia didn't collapse but it divided peacefully. something we see quite rarely. And yeah, the V4 is an artificial concept that doesn't have any deep agenda. The lack of cooperation isn't all that surprising. Hungary used to oppress Slovakia for centuries and is actively trying to annex the southern part of Slovakia. The V4 group is more or less just for a show.
Not true. Hungary does not want to annex southern part of Slovakia. That part was handed to Slovakia, whereas it was majority Hungarian and along the border. Trianon was a great injustice. And the Hungarian minority is treated badly in Slovakia. Although the present govt seems to be better and has apologized for this. Slovaks used to be part of the Kingdom of Hungary for a thousand years.
@@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633 half of the Hungarian population in Slovakia doesn't work and lives of the government funding, they couldn't even be bothered to learn Slovak and only know Hungarian. After that, they complain when government employees outside the few little cities where they are majority don't know Hungarian. And yall still have the audacity to pretend how oppressed you are? After all the injustice that you have done to us for centuries ?? what a bunch of pathetic people you are.
@@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633 I mean on both sides of the thing it seems to me, that injustices too old just doeasn´t matter in todays world. That´s why I was always amazed how much were people of slovakia having some problem with hungarians because of something, that happend in 19. century and hungarians feeling injustice beacuse of Trianon. On the side of hungarians in slovakia it doesnt seem to me that it is that bad, in the end, they can have own schools and the language is used in many places. I can not think of much more, that would be needed by such comunity. On the other hand I never visited the regions, in which they have the greatest percantege of population, so I might be missing something.
Visegrad doesn't lose its interest in USA, USA is losing its interest in Central European countries, except for Poland, Greece and Romania. Also, USA's role is to prevent the creation of a de facto union between EU and Russia.
@@lape2002 I love Russian Culture, Russian music, Russian cuisine, Russian people more than I love brits, British pop music or whatever. However, Russia is poor, aggressive, imperialistic etc. Name 3 countries that border Russia(don't mention China, please don't do it, the Chinese despise the Russians, they have occupied Chinese land) that genuinely like them.
Honestly, China and Russia are natural rivals, very potentially enemies. Its only shared opposition to the US that keeps Russia and China in cahoots, though perhaps some of the economic ties may begin to change that. I would love to see Europe and Russia end this gay stand off. Russians are Europeans. Itd be good if the anglosphere could join this Civilizational alliance also. A man can dream, aye.
Visegrád already split and doesn't exist anymore as a political entity. Victor Orbán in Hungary has sympathy for Russia's Putin (against all lessons from Hungarian history), while all the others have severe Russophobia. Since the war in Ukraine started, Visegrád is dead.
Poland should do business with everyone in the region, but also have its own ambitions. Create its own brands, have its own companies. Create concrete things. And try to renegotiate "protectionism" within the EU.
Slovakia and Hungary are friends right now the Slovakian president is Hungarian friendly.Slovakia is the only 1 nation who give basic human rights to Hungarians living in their country.Not like Romania and Ukraine.+we got democratic goverments.Peoples say that Hungary is a dictatorism but it's not.Most of the people who say this wasn't even in Hungary or readed our law's.And also our goverment win's with 67%'s the 4'th time.Our goverment is supported just like the Polish.
I agree, skewed to the Polish side. TBH, at this point Eastern Europe has built enough other pipeline and LNG port capacity that Nord Stream 2 will no longer be able to be used as a political threat, so there is no point in opposing it.
@@mattslowikowski3530 That's true, but it will screw over Ukraine. Strong, independent Ukraine (and Belarus, for that matter) is in Poland's best interest. The same goes for the rest of Central-East Europe.
Well maybe, on the other hand, currently the main divergence of interests is the attitude towards Russia. And here the issue is mainly between Poland and the other 3. But yes - I'm Polish :)
@@marcinkosakowski7191 The best example on how to deal with Russia in many spheres including energy should be taken from the Finns. Despite being so close to Russias gas supplies, the Finns are building nuclear power.
Czechs do have wariness against Russia, not that they/we don’t. Our concerns are less pronounced than the Polish ones, but we understand Poles and Russian interference into our politics and their attempts do dominate this part of Europe determine that we do have antagonistic relations with them. Historically, Václav Havel’s criticism of Human Rights record in Russia had deep impact on the other direction of relationships, where Russia is actively trying influence our internal politics... from the V4 countries only Hungary is somewhat open towards Russia , thanks to Orban’s “iliberal democracy” concept.
No mentions about historic polish-hungarian friendship (during wars),no mention about Hungary as a member of the Turkic Council,no mention about the cooperation of Hungary-Poland-Turkey in the military sector .Germany is losing Power because its state is dividing in big minorities (turkish and syrians).Turkish in Germany (they are letteraly milions of people)are more oriented with Turkey and not with germans .The video isn't so accurate of the real situation ,because the V4 is strenghtening in a lot of areas and so in my personal opinion the ending isn't correct because you aren't well informed about the situation .Also Hungary has a good relation with Israel ,that means a lot of opportunities .
This channel is to promote US vision of Central Europe, where Poland should for all cost support countries like Ukraine against Russia. It's funny because we don't have any territorial disputes with Russia.
Economically stronger V4 means stronger Germany and stronger Germany means stronger V4. Germany already trades more with V4 than with France and China. There are some political issues but a strategical allience is beneficial for both sides
Quite spot on points, for example Turkey deployed F-16 jets to Poland very recently and they bought Tb-2 drones from Turkey. Somehow US tries to show Turkey like a Russian ally but it couldn't be more wrong as Turkey adopted carrot and stick policy against Russia in recent years. While buying S-400 and making pipeline deals Turkey also engaged against Russia directly in several countries and it is the only NATO country which repeatedly targeted wagner mercenaries!! Turkey is also heavily supporting and arming Ukraine while what is exactly US doing?? Absolutely nothing expect talking, in fact they even reduced their black sea operations and British navy is trying to fill their gap!! We were saying it was ''putin lover'' trump but biden is no different and actually even acting softer than trump with the recent repealing...
I thought only countries bordering on Black Sea had free access to Bosporus Strait. That being true can't Russia block UK & US Navies from access to Black Sea
@@geraldmeehan8942 Everybody has limited access to Black sea expect Turkey alone, for example even Russia can't sail their submarines through Bosporus!! While it is way worse for non-black sea countries as there is tonnage limit and ships can stay in Black sea for only 21 days. And worst of all tonnage limit isn't for every ship rather entire fleet so if US tries to sail 3 ships they can't be more than 15,000 in total which means only one destoyer could pass. So UK/US navy can't really be a threat to Russian navy in Black sea rather it is only for saying ''im here, you can't do everything'' while US isn't even doing that properly in last few years..
You are mistaken about Viktor Orbán's policies. He couldn't care less about Trianon and its effects or its reversal. He only cares about keeping his power and he will kiss up to anyone, who will help with that. Be it the German automakers, Putin or the Chinese. He's got a whole network to choose from by now and since the EU is impotent (and partly invested in him staying in power through German automakers, for whom he keeps wages low and worker rights non-existent), it will be like that until his own people topple him.
V4 is probably not as relevant today because it's main goals have been achieved, like integration into EU structures etc. Personally I would like to see V4 like a more pragmatic alternative to left leaning tandem Germany - France in European parliament. Voting force for East of Europe.
@Anthony Simmons Lol that lol, lol. No need for us to leave the EU, it'll implode anyway, thanks to the sociopaths in Brussels and to corrupt and/or clueless politicians like Merkel and Micron. But we will tag along as long as it makes economical sense, prolonging EU-s prosperity and sanity as long as we can... As for you Anthony, you are probably a 4th gen Westerner (when counting generations from WWII) thus morally, emotionally and economically bankrupt, but we still wish you luck in your future endeavors.
@Anthony Simmons Anthony, thanks for the constructive attitude. Your points are noted, but let's not forget that EU politicians and Brussels is not the EU - that would be all the people living WITHIN EU borders. Maaybe the populace will awaken and chase these bloodsuckers away. Anyway, I am glad we have Orban who actually builds up his nation instead of working toward its demise.
@Anthony Simmons He probably reads too much Kremlin propaganda outlets. Majority of people do not want to leave the EU. It's the old communist generation, now mostly pensioners who keep voting for authoritarian style politicians. Those parties now face dwindling voter base.
Great video. The V4 is much more solid because there is so many common threats. However it is possible that the Germans will at least try wedge V4 in this crackline.
Trianon-revisionism is not even on the table, this is an incredibly biased or simply idiotic thought. Revisionists are rare and very much not mainstream in Hungary. People and leaders aim for protective measures and minority rights for all Hungarians in foreign countries, which are statuses strongly supported by EU and other large entities - in theory. In practice, if Ukraine has to show force but is too weak to do so against russian minorities or the Federation, it clamps down on other minorities enclosed in it's borders, e.g forbidding educational facilities from teaching in any other language than ukrainian. Also, V4 doesn't claim it's responsible for all the economic developments in the area since '89, it simply promotes political coordination, trade, cultural exchanges and infrastructure projects. Closeness to other great powers is simply due to a pragmatic POV in economics and, as mentioned as a balancing act.
Of course Trianon revisionism is not on the table, because we were so cut down in force, that from our current position, with a cleptocracy, it would be impossible. Even if we would not be a cleptocracy, it would still be very hard, though atleast we would be efficient
@@sargafekete_7512 you are delluded if you think revisionism will ever make a comeback into hungarian politics. People like you undermine the hard work of elevating relations with neighbouring countries, especially with Slovakia, Serbia and Croatia. If you are a supporter of Hungarians abroad, you should support making these countries allies Revisionism has no place in European Realpolitik
@@balintlakatos7533 The reason why revisionism (or radical nationalism as a whole) has significant traction in so many countries is because they are embarassingly poor in comparison to their Western neighbors. They yell so much about the pride in their homelands because they need to convince themselves there is actually anything worth being proud of. And there typically isn't. If Hungary were comparable in terms of standards of living to the likes of the Netherlands, Hungarians would have cared about Transylvania just as much as the Dutch do about Flanders. Which is zilch. And there would be 100,000-strong gay prides marching down the streets of Budapest, political refugees from the Middle East would be admitted at the Palace of Parliament, and a single attempt by a government-friendly businessman to acquire the biggest newspaper in the country would be met with such a devastating backlash, the party in question would never recover.
You should do a continuation of this analysis, in regards to the Czech election result... As we have got rid of our PM Babis, the new PM Fiala is concentrating on deepening cooperation with our brothers, Slovakia, Germany and Austria, we have cut off all our investments in China and are best friends of Taiwan, planning to open their embassy in Prague, so when there is a discussion of the topic of V4 in the western TVs, then we are often referred to as the V2 + 2... It has to do a lot with the Poles and Hungarian issues with the EU, in terms of breaching EU law, misusing the EUs subsidies from a corrupt government of Hungary, their shift towards China and Russia and overall with the democratic backsliding in these 2 countries... Many thanks
Does the Czech people really want to be a flower for the German sheepskin coat? I think that Poland, Czech Republic and Slovakia, the Slavic nations should unite our part of the region and make it strong.
@@hubertszadurski3344 We are no puppets of the German speaking nations.. But we have deliberately shifted away from V4, because of the reasons I have written above.. Mainly the corruption, misusing EU subsidies and the overall democracy backsliding... If Orban wins the election April this year, then Hungary is lost - really what Orban is practising has nothing to do with democracy, he is like a small Putin or Xi-Jinping.. And Poland is coppying him in many ways - why do you think there are more and more Polish women each year moving to Czechia? As they do not want to live in Poland, the do not see any future there...
@@viktornovomestsky3999 - Are you kidding?! I have the impression that the people of the Czech Republic have a complex towards their neighbor, you have a false image of Poland. Perhaps it is even justified, because Poland has a population the size of Canada, an area larger than Italy and Great Britain, a lot of natural resources, access to the sea opening for us also they way to the world's oceans and an economy, the value of which, according to economists from the International Monetary Fund, will exceed in 2025 over 1 trillion GDP of USD. In andition, I think that you should be interested Czech women, because you can meet them in Germany, Great Britain, Ireland or Norway, which shows that your country is not perfect and the future is not what you want. Good luck
@@hubertszadurski3344 I did not tell that we are perfect, but that we respect rule of law.. Those are 2 different things.. And to be honest, you can make hundreds of trillions of USD, but your women and kids will not want to live there if you'll continue with your policies... Or do you think that Poland and Hungary have been blocked from receiving post-Covid money from the EU for no reason?? Or do you think that a fine of 1 Mio Euro per day for continuing with your "judicial reform" has been issued just for fun? Or do you think that a fine of 500 Thousand Euro per day for continuing with your Turow coal mining has been issued just for fun as well?? Think about it...
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3:44 you guys need to start using more boring music as background of your videos. I had to rewind this one at least 3 times after noticing that I completely lost concentration on the subject to find myself dancing on the floor. Love the channel. Thanks.
I mean, well prepared and explained; I am from the Czech Republic, we have always been the greatest servants of the Kremlin in the group (as evidenced by our current president Zeman and also the former president Klaus); but Hungary today? ... that really surprises me; ... under "totalitarianism", Budapest, it was almost a place like the forbidden West for us from Czechoslovakia, while now it is slowly becoming a Russian colony, why???
Milan, Budapest is far from being a Russian colony and we like to keep it that way. None of us is crazy about them. It just since their withdrawal from the Iron Curtain countries we have no enmity towards Russia. We are truly neutral in this question while anti-russianism is the sentiment in Western Europe, USA and Poland. In our view you guys can fight it out without us being involved.
i thought visegrad means more cities as more heads is smarter than one, together we are stronger! because in Slavic (Croatian) vise means high or biger or more , and grad means city.the name makes sense for a settlement / city because it is probably located on some sort of hill!
I like the idea of the slavo/central-eastern (euro) city on the hill. The west-euro/Anglo countries don't deserve this standing any longer, I'd love to see a central-Eastern European Renaissance type thing.
It's interesting how 2 years since we have seen some things stay the exact same and others change completely. Hungary proved itself to be very pro russian since the start of the war in Ukraine... While Poland showed everyone that they were right about Russia and still have very anti EU government ( which is changing as we speak considering the 2023 elections ) Slovakia had returned to their status quo of passive indifference to Russia and with Fico back in power will gradually turn back to what they were as this video was posted. With Czechia having arguably a very big difference between these 2 years. Czechia turned their critique of Russia to complete opposition and turned to one of the most pro Ukraine countries after USA, The Baktics and Poland... Also showing good leadership in their EU presidency. It just shows how the V4 is already past it's expiration date... From 2004 on it's basically useless
This is an over simplified, somewhat incorrect point of view. 1)There is no need to be fanatically anti Russian. 2)The way Brussels treats the V4 is often discusting and humilating while displaying double standards. 3)Poland is pro American. 4)The V4 need each other.
"1)There is no need to be fanatically anti Russian." --- Fanatically? No. But, pragmatically, yes. It is in the interest of Central-European Countries to keep Russia away from the "diplomatic table". Otherwise, we can end up with a situation that happened countless times before, Western Europe and Russia deciding about the fate of Central-Eastern Europe without countries of that region being allowed to take part in the discussion. It is already happening on many levels. Just pay attention to what did Merkel and Marcon said after their proposition of warming the EU-Russia relations failed. Both declared that they don't need approval from the EU to meet with Putin on their own. Your second and third points only reinforce my point. Poland is pro-American because it has no other choice. Brussels/Old EU is open towards cooperation with Russia and doesn't care for "New EU" interests. While the countries of Central-Eastern Europe are always hard to cooperate with and often go against the interests of the region.
Weird how after ww 1 the Ottomans and Habsburg got completely destroyed, think lost honestly more than we Germans but well guess the difference is also that there where no Austrian or Hungarian people living in this regions while a lot of German majority regions where under different governments.
Yea right… they just sneezed, tripped and like that thousands of russian troops accidentally invaded a sovereign nation and overlooked its annexation. Could you imagine if the US invaded a nation and then ANNEXED it?? Its no longer the ignorant age of imperialism.
@@PrexXyx no the Russian people (who make up 70% of Crimean population) of Crimea voted to leave the Ukraine and then vote to join the federation, look it up
Russia invaded Crimea and organised a vote about the peninsula's fate. The UN asked to oversee the election but Russia refused. Why had Russia refused if the vote was not rigged? How could 97% vote for the accesion if 12% of the population are Tatars who can't stand Russia?
What is this video about? Even EU has own divergencies. All political groups are quite like this, they have some divergencies, but it doesnt mean that they are on brink of collapse.
Quite ironically, the biggest beneficiary of V4 as it is, a troublesome political union within EU border, is Russia. In the meanwhile, Poland may have the biggest influence on V4 politics, but they have not that much gains. Which is quite interesting because current polish goverment is openly anti-EU AND anti-russian, and there is no real other alternative... like, what's the plan here? We get out of the club and what next?
6:40 what??? china is a staunch opposer to border changes, and russia isnt gonna give up on its regional allies like that, not to mention most of those areas don't have a hungarian majority anymore
The States of America ought to split up into individual independent countries... Divergence of that corrupt monstrosity would be a God send making WW3 less likely.....
Lol 245 years and counting. For a nobody to a superpower. Truly remarkable growth in history only comparable to the Chinese miracle. I’m not even American myself but expecting the division of their Union at this level of cultural homogeneity, deep history and shared prosperity and integration is like expecting Germany’s states to separate or Japan’s Prefectures. It’s not happening Tho I am genuinely curious to hear what your model for the division of the US would look like. Mind talking about it?
It may appear to others that the V4 do not have real power to influence the West for the moment, but in the long term this will change especially after the complete reorganization of the EU.
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now do C4 (craiova group) and Bucharest 9 (lel), but seriously now, intermarium is the way to go for poland
This was a really good episode, thank you very much!
Biden is trying to give Putin a chance, knowing Putin he (Putin) will blow it (might already have done so). Once he does then it's back to stupid sanctions.
I would prefer the USA to be competing against China, not against China+Russia, if possible. We should nonetheless build a big ol' base in Poland (and Germany should rearm instead of cheaping out and putting it on Poland).
@@QuizmasterLaw west europe always ignored east europe...
@@SI-ej8hw ww
Great episode!
Will Europe build a Danube --> Adriatic sea canal (to bypass Turkey) ?
Will Europe build a Danube --> Aegean sea canal (to bypass Turkey) ?
Will Europe build a Black sea (via Bulgaria/Greece) --> Thracian Sea canal
(Or is this too close to Turkey -- a historic aggressor in the area?)
Czechoslovakia didn't collapse, it was dissolved peacefully.
It was partitioned, not dissolved. Slovakia was a sovereign state prior to the Soviet invasion with the complicity of the Anglo-American bloc. The Slovaks are largely devout Catholics. The Czechs are largely secularists.
@@hubertusvenator5838 Partitioned between whom and by who?
@@philipgage4143 exaclty, even southern france and eastern spain had crusades against them
@@philipgage4143 What the fuck are you talking about. Czechia only started becoming atheist since the 20th century, just like any other European nation, and, thankfully, continues the trend to this day, just like any other European nation. Them being under communist rule just catalized the entire process. Furthermore, more than 80% of Czechs were catholics during the first decades of the 20th century.
>Crazy that history only associates crusader with the Middle East.
Yes, because that's where the most big crusades took place + Sacking of Constantinople is arguably more important than templars losing in the baltics or cathars losing in France.
> But majority of them were launched against protestant christians in Europe.
No. Interest in crusades was long gone when protestantism emerged. There was not a single crusade against protestants, let alone "majority of them". Only crusades carried against christian 'sects' like Cathars and Waldensians were carried during the middle ages, during the time of crusades, centuries before protestantism and has nothing to do with Hussites, which comprised only a portion of Czech population. You're straight up lying
@@It9LpBFS37 Nope, immigration records fron Ellis island show that about half of Czech immigrants to USA were pretty irreligious already in mid.19th century. In some places in USA Czechs were even forbidden to be burried at cemeteries as their godless corpses would spoil the holy soil..
Slovakia and hungary has their best relationship right now in their history
cause borders are closed LOL
That goes for most of Europe
@@kureciparatek2838 Mostly for neighboring countries
Well, it's not hard if one of them is 30 years old.
@@PrexXyx Slovaks are in Europe since year 800. they lived next to each other with Hungarians more than thousand years.
Your videos are super good. The Slovak point of view in this video is very accurate. The only thing to add would be that whenever there is a meeting of high level representatives of V4, there is always a public debate, whether the V4 is still useful. Anyway, I am thrilled to see a geopolitical channel from my home region of Central Europe, we need more of those. High production quality, interesting topics... you would deserve at least 10 times more subs and views. Keep up the good work!
Thank you Jakub!
What "public debate" whether the V4 is still useful? Fifth column and filth like PS want V4 out, because they know that V4 united is strongest German economic partner ahead of USA and China.
@@richardides2035 = KotlebOvca
@@mountainjew1474 Fuj PS odpad je aj tu... Odpal...
@@richardides2035 to bude spis jen neci prani..
In short Poland fears Russia, whereas Czech Republic criticises Russia, and Slovakia and Hungary are indifferent to Russia.
NO all fears Russia, except Slovakia because she is too far !
SHUT UP
Hungary is using russian influence for herself
Hungary's PM is in the asshole of Putin.
Putin comes and goes in Hungary as it was the most western province of Russia.
for hungary: berlin, moscow, wasington, benjing is a similar shit. better to keep them far, but keep up the trading and good political connection. but how it looks we will brake with berlin pretty soon.
The Polish title was more accurate.
Poland and Hungary are not at odds, despite the differences.
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Ok, let it be. Thanks for feedback.
@@GoodTimesBadTimes While the governments of both countries may seem to be at odds, the people of both nations remain friendly to each other.
actulay the v4 is v2. hungary and poland. the rest two is not truested.
The truth about the huge growth of the Polish economy is that Germany has made Poland their extended work bench. However the Poles definitely benefit from this just as much as the German companies do.
Jein. Cheap labor for sure and outsourcing the Wehrmacht oops Bundeswehr to Poland is cunning in a short term greedy vicious way but stupid, Poland might slow down the C.A. but is not strong enough to stop the T-72s which may poor through that nice flat indefensible landscape. And then what?
@@QuizmasterLaw 哎 你這麼悲觀嗎？ 呵呵呵
The largest investor in Poland is American capital. Labor costs in Poland are not among the lowest in the EU, so it is rather a combination of several factors of labor costs, the quality of the education system, geographic location and the size of the internal market that makes the country competitive in terms of acquiring investment capital and know-how. Today, Poland has a much more innovative economy than Spain and is approaching the level of Italy, boy, you are talking about the reality from a decade ago, today, research and development centers are also built in Poland, not only screw factories.
@@QuizmasterLaw Poland could have excellent relations with Russia if only Poland gave up competing with Russia for influence in Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine. But Poland will never give up, because this is a factor that gives Poland the prospect of creating a system that would balance the potential of Russia or Germany in the region. For Poland, the V4 is only an alternative political substrate, not a strategic direction.
Poland gets five times more than what anyone gets from European funding that’s why. While others countries pay to be in the EU, Poland gets a shit tone of money from the EU.
Hungarian here. Nobody - except for extremists - wants to really reverse Trianon. The main goals nowadays are minority rights and autonomy for the Hungarian minorities living in the surrounding countries.
As a romanian I would support your country reversing the Trainon treaty with one condition.
Transylvania remains part of Romania. We can't even give it to you because it's forbided by our Consitution.
I would like, on the other hand, for the hungarians in Transylvania to be given more power, autonomy, and identity but still remain in Romania as an equal partner.
Kinda like a personal union status.
We have our divergences from before. But it doesn't matter the historical truth, your people are angry at us. So this would be best for all.
In this way we could also focus on the important matters instead of criticizing each other. After all, that's how we survived the Ottomans.
So for me, my only condition would be for this new semi autonomous state to maintain the same goals as the country that is in and for the pool of resources and decision making to be shared between them.
It's hard to partition territory as an independent state entity and it damages the economy of both the old and the new country. So I think that this would be a better move.
I'm open to hear your suggestions. But I warn you that partition of territory is not an answer.
For instance, I don't even care anymore about the territory that we had from Greater Romania or from the times of Dacia. Why? Because the focus is not on acquiring territories but maintaining them and increasing their overall output. Land with no value does nothing to the economy and so I can he happy that the romanians that reside in those territories have equal rights as the main target group.
We can't commit sepuku either to our country, by partitioning the territory entirely, but we can't let this divergences to consume us either. It's better if we would be united and it would make it harder for other countries to pressure us in doing things that we don't agree with.
I'm also open for an alliance with Hungary in the future as a guarantee of friendship after this personal union project would be implemented.
My reasoning for this suggestion is because by letting ourselves be divided, we lose.
And also, because I really value the Byzantine Empire and when I first hear about the Bulgarian revolt and how a Wallachian leader of proto Romanians helped destabilize the Byzantine Empire after it was given a lot of rights in the Empire just to work on a single goal on maintaing the empire unity, I got disgusted because of this fact. Because my Wallachians would have been better of in the Byzantine Empire than in a newly formed state which lacked infrastructure and all of that.
I will be waiting for an answer.
TE ROHADÉK ÁRULÓ! NEM MAGYAR AZ AKINEK NEM FÁJ A TRIANON ÉS AHOGY ÉN LÁTOM TE NEM IS VAGY MAGYAR A NEVEDBŐL! KÄFIG? ILYET EGYÁLTALÁN NEM TANULTAM NYELVTANON!! MAGYARORSZÁG A LEGJOBB VESSZEN VESSZEN TRIANON HALÁL AZ ÁRULÓKRA!
@@novaimperialis Thank you for your answer! My suggestion is not partition, but minority rights and autonomy for Hungarians in the surrounding countries. Look at South Tyrol, Aland Islands, Basque country, Aosta Valley, or even Vojvodina. In all this areas autochtonous ethnicities enjoy autonomy and minority rights while remaining part of the larger country. In my eyes that would be a reasonable compromise.
@@karpatiafan3323 Look at this Hungarian extremist here. Of course Trianon remains a dark hour in the history of Hungary. But there is not even the slightest chance to rewind the 100 years that passed since Trianon. What the heck would Hungary do with the millions of Romanians living now in Transsylvania? Expel them, and do even more harm? No, that is not the way to go for sure.
@@richardschenk4058 Understood. My response was based on the assumption that this would not be enough. So regarding this hungarians actually are pretty autonomous in the region. We have a political party dedicated to the hungarian minorities and the language spoken in the regions with a significant portion of hungarians is hungarian in both administration and day to day activities.
So then I think that there's a misconception between what the conditions really are and what is presented.
I think it's due to our biases.
Anyway, I say this as someone who grew a disdain for Hungary for what it did in the past(not necessarily hungarians, but rulers). But I understood that it's better to have friends than enemies and I always liked this concept of making your friend an ally with which you could collaborate for mutual beneficial goals.
Besides this, I learned to appreciate Hungary and hungarians for other things. For instance, creating the necessary infrastructure in Transylvania which made it to be one of Romania most developed regions, the alliances that we had in the past against the Ottomans, the trade routes created, etc. Those are just to name a few.
Now, I'm even disgusted for being against your group because I understood that we are like pieces of puzzle. We connect and together we sustain each other in a coherent structure formed based on this connection. And it is a loss if instead of aknowledging this connection, instead we hurt ourselves by damaging the other which is the unconscious representation of ourself, or what we lack as well and secretly desire.
Young Slovakian Hungarian here: Most of us don't want to be reunited with Hungary. Many of us go to Slovak schools and proceed to universities all over Slovakia. We stay in the country and strive to make it better for both Slovaks and Hungarians. Some of us go to universities in Hungary too though, but those people don't come back to work in Slovakia when they graduate. They mostly remain in Hungary and found families there.
Őszintén szólva ma Magyarországon csak a szélső jobb (Mi Hazánk) akarja Trianont visszafordítani. Teljesen lehetetlen a dolog és én például nem is érzem szükségesnek. Ha a külhoni magyarok ugyanolyan jogokat kapnak mint minden más nemzetiség ezekben az országokban akkor én boldog leszek. Én úgy szeretek Trianonra gondolni hogy a kisantant minden erővel megpróbálta a magyarságot valahogyan eltávolítani a frissen megszerzett területekről. Nem jártak sikerrel. Úgyhogy mivel még mindig élnek Szlovákiában, Romániában, Ukrajnában, stb. magyarok ezért szerintem legalábbis ez egy kisebb sikertörténet.
@@gergoturan4033 Just a side note: I find it fascinating that without knowing a word of Hungarian it's obvious that it's Hungarian by just looking at it. Really differs from anything else (I know, because the proto hungarians came from more central asian regions) that uses the Latin script.
Then reverse the Benes decrees and give at least as much rights and schools to the Hungarians as much we gave you..Rights like, one does not have to speak Slovak to attend to their administrative affairs at least on a county level..No more propaganda in history books that actively produce hatered based on lies towards Hungarians..etc Than we can talk about striving to make it better.
@@jacky9590 you live in buble.
@@mountainjew1474 really? than who is suing the Minority SafePack rn? Oh, you mean to tell me Slovakia just joined it on the suing side? WOOOOW. But I live in a bubble. okay, dud. sure, moron.
6:43 Hungary does not claim her lost territories. In fact I haven't met any sane Hungarian above the age of 16 dreaming about claiming them. Most Hungarians wish our communities outside the new borders were respected enough to simply receive political autonomy.
Well I would think so. Still never discount strange ideas surfacing in governments.
There are numerous Hungarian secret service agents in Romania, Ukraine, Slovakia and Serbia and the number of diplomats are oddly high as well. I am convinced that the current government is aiming to position itself well to be able to regain some of the lost territories in case an opportunity comes. Despite it being very unlikely, Orban is prepared for it.
Hungarians are a small minority in the southern part of Slovakia. After a 1000 year subjugation by the Hungarians, if they want autonomy, they can go across the border. You cannot try to forcefully assimilate an ethnic and erase their national feelings and then claiming a need for political autonomy. If Hungarians dont like hostility on the basis of political determination, you can always peacefully return. They should be glad, that something like Benes decrees were not made after Trianon...
Yes this is some high level bs
@@Spectification What you say is the same as if I said that if Slovaks had not liked Hungary, then why didn't they move to Czechia? Every minority has the right for self-determination, including Slovaks and Hungarians.
The simplest, but greatest complication with Hungarian-Polish relations is, that Poles (understandably) loathe Russia, while Hungarians, though not fond of Russian influence, don't.
President Orban is willing to open up to Russia, for e.g our newest atomic reactor is being built by russian companies, while Poland's relationship with Russia is rather cold.
And we all know why...why they don't hate germans as much is a riddle to me
@@Holuunderbeere Germany has been through a castration, while Russia still has steel balls.
German policy is rather pacific, german politicians are rather liberal, while russians are the opposite.
@@mastermindd true that but i would still think that it would not be enough for some poles. Maybe it's because they earn good money in germany.
@@Holuunderbeere Yes, with the EU, good, or at least tolerable relations with Germany have become vital for both countries.
@@mastermindd for all nations in europe in coming years if the eu does not break up&fixes some things.
Support Poland and Hungary.
Respect from Serbia 🇷🇸🇷🇸
Thank You. Wishing Serbia a great future from Poland.
@@Radek494 and from Hungary
Respect to all your based countries from the UK 🇬🇧
@@wavell14 Respect to everyone except for cannibalistic tribesmen.
@MrLaci0110 UK and Poland always stand strong together against Germany 🇬🇧🤝🇵🇱
It's the normal way to stay individual in case of interests, but it's important to hold that cooperation and keep the interests of others in mind.
Hungarians and Polish people are brothers.
Stefan Batory was King of Poland and Hungary. #GoulashPower
Yup, just it's good to be aware of geopolitical context.
romanians will be jealous
There's literally no ethnic or linguistic connections between these two nations. That fact that you call yourselves «brothers» is baffling!
@@PatGeo95 our history makes us brothers. If you are bothered by it this much than you can go cry in the corner
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Yes would like to see this
@@Just_another_Euro_dude Yes at that point (dissolution), but currently stuff is mixing, Arabs and Turks investing in Serbia, US and EU exercising soft power in Bosnia, China coming into play etc.
Yes!! Agreed
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@@Just_another_Euro_dude nothing is simple in Balkans
This channel is soo under-rated, produces quality content, i wish it grows bigger.
Very informative video, please make a video on the Lublin Triangle. I think Poland's interests and future are more aligned with Lithuania and Ukraine than with the other Visegrad countries: Hungary, Czech and Slovak Republics.
True, will do!
@@GoodTimesBadTimes Thank you, looking forward to it.
Poland and Lithuania (besides the history) have nothing in common.
No, Hungarians and Poles have considered themselves brothers historically.
@@LordDamianus But history is everything what all we have :)
This video popped up in my feed, guess because I'm hungarian. And I'm glad it did. Checked a few more videos of yours, and subscribed. Keep it up!
The history of Visegrad group dates back to 14th century.
Really? When? I dont remember polish and hungary kingdooms beeing part of HRE or making longterm alliances. Just conflicts until Habsburgs dominance.
@@annexcendent8511 In 1335 alliance between Hungary, Poland and Czech was signed in Visegrad. Remembering to that alliance, the modern V4 was named from.
Also see a quote from the 16th/17th century, also seen in some molinos in football or handball matches nowdays (in Polish and Hungarian language): “Polish and Hungarian are 2 good friends, fight together and drink good wine together”
@@lajos-berenyi true, but treaty didnt prevent wars. For example just 10years later polish-czech war broke up by polish attacked silesia which was part of treaty.
@@annexcendent8511 but you could say that even more for the countries of the EU: all europian contries have wars each other troughout the history almost contioniusly, so do you think therefore the EU has no future?
The countries of the V4 have much more common in the past and in the present (historically, economically and culturally) as well, than the countries of the whole EU.
@@lajos-berenyi my point was Visegrád treaty was only short term and didnt chance anything for future. Me as Czech i cant identify with it. We have much more common with Germany and Austria historically and economically. We are sometimes represent as 17th bundes state by economic mean. Your traditions are combination slovanic with germanic parts. V4 lost purpose for us, times changed and we dont share same goals anymore.
"With no real power to influence Europe".... except immigration policy of the EU, budget (yea that trivial thing called budget) of the EU etc.
I like, that you said Central Europe instead of Eastern. 😊
Why don't you want to be called eastern? Are you ashamed of your roots?
@@millevenon5853 no, I just appreciate Saint István's westernising, and don't want to be associated with the Slavs.
@@millevenon5853 Excuse me, but what roots? This region is geographically right in the middle of the continent, and it has been considered Central Europe for a 1000 years (Latin religion, Latin alphabet, Central European Time Zone), only reason why would people call these countries "Eastern" is Stalin's division of continent after WW2.
@@millevenon5853 You mean African roots? We all have them.
We have more things in common than things dividing us and V4 has more strength than ever.
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Zeman is not a good leader for Czechia. He’s way too sympathetic to China.
or russia or alcohol?
As every country economically does...
It seems that the countries have very different interests: the Poles focus on countering Russia while the other members are pragmatic towards it, Hungary wants to dream of recovering territories that were liberated from their yoke after WW1. Apparently, they don't have that much in common.
While Czechia isn't as strict on Russia as Poland, we're certainly not comparable to Hungary's Fidesz.
"were liberated from their yoke after WW1" problem was that many territories were purely Hungarian population territories. The border after WW1 didn't take in count different populations. It was defined by a ring railroad in the Hungarian Kingdom. Hungary was the only country that bordered itself, because on both sides of the border was populated by Hungarians.
@@dantetre Could you please name these "purely Hungarian population territories."?
trianon will be eternal :))) regardless of how and where Hungary fornicates :)) in the Transylvanian territory they had max 2 mil with exaggeration, of ethnic Hungarians, of which at least 200/300 mi Hungarianized. not to mention mixed families.
@@leomarin2205 even if let's say, Hungary receives Transilvania, they will have 5 million Romanians. Hungary has a population of 9 millions. These kids are deluded.
Very interesting, thanks. I am a Brit living in Hungary. Another dispute with the EU, would be the LGBT issue, at least for Poland and Hungary. Don't know about the other two.
How is living there?
Slovakia is a bit more liberal than Poland and Hungary, Czech Rep. is the most liberal from these.
@@exstazius I live in a village in the southwest, not far from Lake Balaton, and I love it. I am keeping an eye on the present situation, however, which is a little worrying.
@@athb4hu I am half Hungarian and gay. I share your concerns. My experience is although that in Budapest people are totally the opposed of the image of Hungary that the government portrays. It is open and tollerant, a great gay night life is also present. This new law is a political manouevre for the election's. Now orban is doing a referendum regarding a law that is already in power.
I hope that they dont reach the 50% as the referendum is than void.
I love Hungary but the current government is more and more treating it as a personal kingdom.
@@exstazius now I might be misinformed but I don't see anything "anti-LGBT" with the LGBT laws.
Thank you for your insightful analysis and the thoughtful & informative discussions it encourages in the comments of your videos.
I wish Croatia would join.
me too bro, such a nobrainer (slovenia as well)
That is what the Three-Seas initiative is for.
@Anthony Simmons ultra right... Like not having LGBT in sex ed under 18. Or the public access database for sex offenders is what you object to? Enjoy your drag queen story time for kindergardeners then!
The most important thing is that Poland plays a bigger game that the rest of V4 so the divergence of interests was inevitable.
Times are changing, now I would say Hungary is completely out of V4
I think Czechia may have been first on that XD
I was expecting that you'd mention the growing interest and actively engaging policies from Hungary to the Turkic Council
As a Russian I respect the Czech the most. It's the only Visegrad country where you can buy a SIM card with no ID. The most free country of all! I don't care if Hungary is more "loyal" towards the Russian regime and Slovakia is more neutral when it comes to anti-Russian sentiment. I adore Polish language though, it's amazing!
As a Northern Slovakians i was always leaning towards Czech culture more.... The modern kind (😂 as East k now's, we love our folklores)
Why? Because they write more free. Whilst it doesn't or didn't quite affect shopping. It affects the ideas around you and Czechs wrote always far more freedom minded from what i have met.
Not that they don't get problems of their own but
Still...
As for Russia. I used to be anti Russian, more from tradition than reason. Now i agree with some, disagree with most.
I still see US, Russia and China as the biggest threats there are. Us is seemingly crumbling under their own political games. China... Whilst being one of the largest bullies announced it won't stand being bullied anymore meanwhile they just enforcing military state in HongKong and God help us all if they qere preparing to "unify" With Taiwan (basically Democratic Chinese government in exile) again.
And Russsia... Well for the most part keeping its self cool and aomewhat low ans less flashy. Quietly under the mists tries to secure waters in arctic plus the tensions with their European border neighbours.
You see
If Russia wasn't as Homophobic, racist, sexist and more concerned about the well-being of its citizens and nature i would probation be pro Russia without any problem.
And whilst i believe racism, sexism and homophobia have went down power time.
No one can deny it is Still quite strong.
As a Polish citizen i can only say большое Вам спасибо, bardzo dziękuję :)
Why do you adore Polish language? What makes it better than, for example, Czech and Slovak?
Lord Damianus I like nasal vowels(diphthongs) for me it's pretty unique when it comes to slavic languages , I just like the sound of Polish in general. Czech and Slovak is cool too, no offense LOL I just learned some Czech so it kinda lost it's "magic" for me.
@@tomasvrabec1845 Right you are. China is the most dangerous country in the world.
With no real power?!?! We just figured out how even the slightest cooperation helps us greatly asserting our interest, just as other EU regions have been successfully doing for decades.
"Bohemia" is not only the historical region of Czechia but also the former name of Czechia. The Czech/Bohemian king was in Visegrad as the leader of the whole country, not just the region.
Comment for algorithm, great job Hubert ;)
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A little update about relations of Czech Republic and Poland. The mine Túrow you mentioned is the main reason of new bad relations. The Czechs even sent Polish ambassador back to Poland. As Czech im a bit sad about these conflicts. I really love Poland and i want Czech Republic to have good relations with Poland CZ❤PL
I don't know your source of information. AFAIK the conflict was settled at least on highest level by treaty in which Poland has to pay some compensations to affected border region in Czechia. New right-wing government of Czechia under Petr Fiala wants to have good relations with PL, even more now when stability of the region was shakened by the Russian invasion. For now I think we (I'm Czech too) have more common ground with Poland than ever before, compared to wacky Hungary and its BFF to Putin.
@@dejsihorcici6886 Do not agree with that. Poland just recently got Czechia territories after ww1 and 2 and they did not stop invading us more than any other country I personally do not think the Czech and Poland's relationship can ever be good if they do not return stolen silesia and some of lustiria which Poland systematically culturally anexed since the day of them taking the land.
People in Poland want to cooperate with V4 countries and have normal realtions with all neighbours including Russia. Our 'politicians' driving country to same fate like in 1939...
Is there any better alternative?
Normal relations should include respecting the other members' interests. If anything might repeat itself, it will definitely be the hungarian attitude. During ww2 the Hungarians said how concerned they are about the carnages the Germans were commiting upon the Poles... but nothing above it, while enjoying the territorial gifts Hitler gave to Hungary. Same here: Russia attacks Poland, and Hungary says how outrageous it is... while enjoying the territorial gifts from Putin. Poland should just develop her own strength and stop relying on allies.
@@aleksanderwielopolski8205 That is true. Relying on allies has been their downfall multiple times. It's funny how the mentality is so suspicious, but in the politics it is so naive.
@@aleksanderwielopolski8205 Very well, what did you expect?
Hungary couldn't rely on Polish help, when it was invaded in 1918-1920, so regent Horthy had to build up everything from scratch, diplomatically isolated.
Poland was, and still is on good terms, with one of the most hostile power to Hungary, Romania, which country took half of Hungary's land. Let's not go into deep details, I know the ethnic makeup of Transylvania.
Hungarian economy grew by the german trade, and history repeats itself, german companies give jobs to many hungarian people.
While the polish...? Well...
@@mastermindd Poland's economy skyrocketed too... yet we aren't happy. The standards of living have obviously become much better, but at the same time the previous pro-european governments had been massively selling the polish companies into the hands of foreign capital, and the foreign companies pay no taxes to Poland whatsoever. Brussels treats Poland simply as a colony. The one which Brussels has certainly developed, but at the same time taking care about not allowing the Poles to have their country for their own. Personally I think that the Law and Justice should just massively nationalize all of it, and then turn into capitalism to unleash Poland's full potential. Of course the first step will infuriate the European Union, so whether Law and Justice will have the balls to do it, is a different case. But if they do it and repel the outrage from EU, Poland might develop the influence in Belarus and Ukraine, while proposing the Russians "Neither of us should make any annexations upon these lands, let's treat them as buffer states". But before such phase even begins, Poland must repel the diplomatic aggression from Brussels. And that's where the polish-hungarian interests will coexist.
Great overview!
Is the writer of the script polish by any chance? I can't really put my finger on it but somehow the views seem a little skewed towards the polish side.
I think the channel's owner is polish.
@@FOLIPE ah you are right. They should probably still try to avoid bias a little more
Might be. Still, people underestimate Russia. Poles know the best out of them all what a close Russia means...
@@CallOfDutySniperzzz We know it, Russia's hobby is taking down Hungarian revolutions.
Still, many, especially elderly people consider the socialist age, even despite the failed revolution, as good times, and therefore, don't hate Russia.
-a Hungarian
@@mastermindd It's funny because most people remember it as the worst time in History. Every Pole I ever asked thinks it too. They say there wasn't anything to buy and people had to wait in lines for hours for simple products. Half of products were sold to friends before it ever reached stores and corruption was rampant. People had no perspective.
I wonder why the Hungarians see it so different from the Poles.
-A Pole
No sane people will believe that Greater Hungary will ever be restored. I know well enough who is Viktor Orbán, whom I detest, to say that this is not his aim. Yes he has a Greater Hungary map on his office's wall, but that's nostalgia, and populism. I don't deny however, that a less ambitious border redrawing can be in his mind, maybe as an aftermath of a third world war.
The video brings this up to highlight his friendship with Russia and his relationship problem with Slovakia. This is still a good point, but I wanted to add nuance, because the way this video said, it was just half true.
East Europa, real Europe
It´s always educational to have hungarians commenting politics.
Without them we would have never known (or cared) who was the first inhabitant of central Europe.
I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the V4 group. Sure each nation has its own priorities and will doubtless pursue them. But don't forget that they also share some deep historical ties that are hard to ignore.
To give one example, during World War 2 Poland was very obviously opposed to Nazi Germany, Hungary, however, was an ally of the same country. Yet, during the Warsaw Uprising of 1944, Hungarian units refused to assist their ally in the suppression of the Poles, despite being stationed very close by. Indeed some men of the Hungarian Army even joined the Polish Home Army in the city. A strong foundation for that friendship is the centuries of standing together against the Ottoman Empire's attempts to conquer Mitteleuropa. Hungary even cited the Poles' salvation of Vienna and Hungary in 1682 as the reason they would not turn their weapons on Poles.
Interestingly, that also explains why the V4 nations tend to regard the eu's all-welcoming approach to Syrian refugees differently to the western European nations who dominate the eu. Hungarians, Poles, Czechs and Slovaks see columns of young, middle-eastern men walking up the roads from Turkey somewhat less benignly than the people of Belgium and France whose memory of refugees is coloured by their own grandparents' experiences escaping German panzer columns in 1940.
That's right.
The examples you gave (especially the WW2 one) literally contradict your point. Don't you see that? Despite alleged common interests Czechoslovakia, Poland and Hungary remained in conflict not only during the Interwar period and WW2 but also through centuries before.
Historical ties aren't enough to form a block of countries. You need common interests for that.
@@kamilszadkowski8864 You mean the example I gave, I mentioned two examples, of which only one, the Warsaw Uprising had the Poles and the Hungarians on opposite sides. And even then, a sense of solidarity prevented the Hungarians from attacking the Poles when, technically, they would have been well within their rights and possibly militarily correct to do so.
I also didn't deny that the V4 countries have differing priorities upon which they will act when they feel the need.
What I said was "don't write the group off so quickly". Why? Because alongside the differences, highlighted in the article, there is also a lot of common history much spent dealing with a common foe.
In 16832 the Hungarians had been forced to come to an accommodation with the Turks - in essence they collaborated (although from what I read they did as little co-operating as they could) That doesn't mean they don't recognise the dramatic change Sobieski brought about by defeating the Turks outside Vienna and then going on to chase them out of a lot of Hungarian territory.
The V4 nations are independent nations with independent national priorities. This means that there will be times the appear to act against each other. But equally they are 4 nations that share a lot of common history and I suspect there will be many more times when that history and modern common interests combine to make them act together in mutual co-operation.
11:46 Imagine not being able to mine resources within your own borders because it reduces your neighbour's groundwater. Not taking sides here, but that's an issue island countries like my own don't have to deal with thankfully. The 21st century has a potential water crisis looming, on a global level. The fight over water intensifies.
Sad but true. However, desalination technologies improvements may help reduce the number of water wars.
@@QuizmasterLaw not unless they start to use left energy ot it would be energy wars.
@@tomasvrabec1845 another victim of autocorrect in the flame wars
The problem is a bit complicated, because it is the only Polish mine in the region. All the others belong to the Czechs and Germans, and the Germans and the Czechs want to finish this Polish mine, because they want to have a monopoly.
Some central asian countries are already having armed conflicts over water disputes. If you are interested in this topic, check "Central Asia on the verge of a water war" by Caspian Report, unless you already saw that video. It's a similar channel, if I'm not mistaken Good Times Bad Times already had a collab with them
Hungary may have lost a lot of its territory, but look at Lithuania now and look at it like 400 years ago.
Or Germany before and after WW1, where they lost soo much land for a war they didn’t start.
😂 I mean, some of the lost territories were just lost territory of other nations
Eg the Slovak and Czech part, both were there before Hungarians were, then lost their territory, then gained it again.
@@tomasvrabec1845 Nope, it wasnt lost territory of other nations, just looka at Avaria
@@sargafekete_7512 What do you mean avars arrived in europe after the slavs
Thanks for mentioning Germany.
But the loss of territory after WW1 was bearable, because in some of these areas ethnic Poles, Danes and French were the majority. But after WW2 Germany lost additional 25% of her territory (of the interwar period) with an almost 100% German majority.
I cannot not unsee a certain thing when I see a map with Czechia, Slovakia and Hungary highlighted in the same color. @4:10 #rorschachtest #rorschach
As a Czech I say ... 🤣🤣🤣
Great point man.
As a Czech there I have to make one point: Yes Visegrád isn't a very coherent group and it's pretty nonsensical how other countries often talk about it in collective terms. Since the member states have expelled Soviet troops and later entered NATO and EU, Visegrád has no real agenda apart from just being good neighbors. But that in itself is an important thing. Between the two world wars, there was basically a cold war between Czechoslovakia and Hungary. Up until 1933 Hungarians, not Germans, were considered the greatest threat to Czechoslovak democracy and territorial integrity, while relations with Poland have also been very bad. After WW2 all three countries became gradually (more like instantly in case of Hungary and Poland since they were occupied already in 1945) part of the Soviet sphere of influence and "had" to be friends under Moscow's supervision despite their disputes. So after 1989 Czechoslovaks, Poles and Hungarians didn’t really know whether they can be friends "voluntarily" or whether Czechoslovaks and Poles will once again fight over Těšín area, Klodzko, Orava and Spiš, whether Hungary will try to retake Hungarian-speaking territories in Southern Slovakia, and whether Central Europe shall became another Balkans. Presidents Havel, Wałęsa and Göncz (and later also Kováč of Slovakia) managed to signal to all nationalists in their countries that there shouldn’t be new salt added to old wounds. And we live in peace, though I wouldn’t say we're great friends collectively either - Czechs and Slovaks are certainly brother nations today more than before the partition, while Poles and Hungarians like each other. Slovaks on the other hand don’t really get along with Hungarians and Czechs have problems with Poland (or more with Poles mining lignite near the border but also with their homophobic and "pro-life" laws, which is also our problem with Hungary, but generally few Czechs know anything about Hungary). So the whole point of Visegrád is peace and good relations in Central Europe, which is beneficial for us all and frankly for all Europe and world. It has no clear agenda in geopolitical terms, nor has it cultural reasons - as I said Czechs and Slovaks are pretty close, but we have few things in common with Poland and virtually nothing in common with Hungary. Actually Czechia is closest to Austria when it comes to traditions, food, habits and idioms, though we differ in religious matters of course (but that is also the case with our V4 partners)
True, as a Slovak I always looked at the Czech traditions as a very Austrian in influence. Still very familiar and similar to. Us Slovaks, but different.
But hey... There is a Historical reason... In Austria-Hungary, Slovaks were under Hungarians, Czechs were under Austrian.
@@tomasvrabec1845 Exactly:) But as I said, we still see you as our fav bros:)
Thank you for sharing this point of view. I've never been to Slovakia but the Czech anywhere are the friendliest central Europeans I've met! I also like Czech food and the cities. It feels like a love child between Germany and Poland to me.
God bless Bohemia!
Yea Because Czechs are extremely Germanized, and never resisted German influence. While Poland and Hungary did. I would barely consider Czechs as Slavs, since so much of their culture was shaped by Germans and not by their own destiny.
@@Antekdzi1 Wait, Czechs didn't resist German influence? There was little to none German influence in Poland and Hungary (who actually aren't Slavs btw), since German settlement there cannot be compared with German settlement in Czech Lands. Czech language nearly disappeared in 17th and 18th century, yes. But then from 1770s to 1840s it went through a period of national revival and replaced German once again as no. 1 language. It's true that Czechs are definitely more Western culturally than our Eastern neighbors, and that we are closest to Austrians in many ways (who are also a cultural mix) but we are very proud to call ourselves Slavs and in fact we may be the most Slavophilic (and historically Russophilic) nation of all. Our national identity was basically born from anti-Germanism.
From Hungary and a Hungarian conservative, dare I say, nationalist: This is a very, very incorrect video! Trying to influence the public by insinuating, no, flatout telling that the current Hungarian government is somehow working towards a revisionistic goal seeking to regain lost territories of the Trianon Treaty is simply utterly untrue! Shame on the makers of this video; shame...
We have the best relationship with Slovakia thus far in history, and that is something to be cherished! The Slovak Government was very sympathetical and tactful with Hungary and Hungarians (on both side of the border) during the centenial anniversary of Trianon/modern Slovakian statehood. And there was (is) grief but mostly solemn rememberance in Hungary (because of the loss, the memories of innumerable families and communities torn apart by new borders drawn by victorious Western Countries; but contraintuitively certainly not because of the Slovaks celebrating their statehood) but no revisinonism! And I would like to think that Hungary was not spoiling Slovakia's celebrations of it's statehood either.
Don't see, how this alleged Hungarian revisionism affects Poland and the Czech Republic though...
We do have differing stances on certain matters, but that is normal and to be expected in a loose alliance of 4 INDEPENDENT countries (as oppsed to the federal governments of the USA, Canada; and what our Western European neighbours want the EU to become...).
Still more things unite us than what separtes us. And if differences and diverging interests are to be scrutinized, it begs the question: why, oh why are the makers of this video overemphasizing alleged and existing differences in the case of the V4, foreshadowing potential loss of cohesion, and still not pointing out how theese differences, existing today, or just envisioned by the makers of this video, are far less pronounced and far less unsolvable than the differences between any given member of the V4 and Germany, for example, not to mention the EU and it's Brussels institutions as such, or Washington...
Personally, I would like to see our countries further deepening the V4 cooperation; not unlike how the revised Międzymorze / Medzimorie/ Tengerköz / Intermarum geopolitical project outlined it in the 1920's. We, the indigenous nations of Central Europe deserve a future where we are our own masters, not Berlin, not Brussels, not Washington, not ewen Moscow (yes, yes, currently indeed the least fearsome in Hungarian minds - and we would know, believe me: 1848/49; 1939/45; 1945-1989)! **
Greetings from Hungary! Long live all of our independent sovereign member states of the V4 - as they are, and yes, that includes modern Slovakia! (Hungarian governmental and popular revisionism my conservative ethnocentric Magyar arse...)
P.s.: if one wishes to learn more about Central European regionalism and national interests of the V4 members, don't be basic: please learn the languages of theese Countries, and stop relying solely on ten minutes-long english language videos, there is much too many things lost or willfully ommited in translation...
**edited: forgot to mention the Revolution of 1956 as a milestone of Magyar-Soviet/Russian relations
The current Slovak goverment warmed up to the Hungarians on a verbal level. Dont think too much of it. They are nice when they get something from us but aside from stopping the persecution of Slovak-Hungarian double citizens they have done nothing on the level of actual acts. Despite this there are still very strong racist anti-Hungarian voices in the Slovak political elite, not even mentioning the absolutely brainwashed Slovak population that would love to stone to death any historian who dares to question the Slovak propaganda in their history books.
Well, the first thing that should be noted is that Czechoslovakia didn't collapse but it divided peacefully. something we see quite rarely. And yeah, the V4 is an artificial concept that doesn't have any deep agenda. The lack of cooperation isn't all that surprising. Hungary used to oppress Slovakia for centuries and is actively trying to annex the southern part of Slovakia. The V4 group is more or less just for a show.
Not true. Hungary does not want to annex southern part of Slovakia. That part was handed to Slovakia, whereas it was majority Hungarian and along the border. Trianon was a great injustice. And the Hungarian minority is treated badly in Slovakia. Although the present govt seems to be better and has apologized for this. Slovaks used to be part of the Kingdom of Hungary for a thousand years.
@@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633 half of the Hungarian population in Slovakia doesn't work and lives of the government funding, they couldn't even be bothered to learn Slovak and only know Hungarian. After that, they complain when government employees outside the few little cities where they are majority don't know Hungarian. And yall still have the audacity to pretend how oppressed you are? After all the injustice that you have done to us for centuries ?? what a bunch of pathetic people you are.
@@hugoherman3499
No need to be racist m8
@@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633 I mean on both sides of the thing it seems to me, that injustices too old just doeasn´t matter in todays world. That´s why I was always amazed how much were people of slovakia having some problem with hungarians because of something, that happend in 19. century and hungarians feeling injustice beacuse of Trianon. On the side of hungarians in slovakia it doesnt seem to me that it is that bad, in the end, they can have own schools and the language is used in many places. I can not think of much more, that would be needed by such comunity. On the other hand I never visited the regions, in which they have the greatest percantege of population, so I might be missing something.
It makes sense even today to promote the interests of small countries
We also need Slovenia! V5 the key between West and East.
and Carpato - Ruthenia
@@881terror Ukraine is a problematic place because of the war on the eastern part of the country.
@@alexandertribunus2758 Also because of rampant Nazism and also sprinklings of Islamic extremism lol
@@weetbix4497 this "rampant nationalism" can't be compared with Hungarian or polish nationalism...
And Croatia!
Visegrad doesn't lose its interest in USA, USA is losing its interest in Central European countries, except for Poland, Greece and Romania.
Also, USA's role is to prevent the creation of a de facto union between EU and Russia.
@@lape2002 I love Russian Culture, Russian music, Russian cuisine, Russian people more than I love brits, British pop music or whatever.
However, Russia is poor, aggressive, imperialistic etc.
Name 3 countries that border Russia(don't mention China, please don't do it, the Chinese despise the Russians, they have occupied Chinese land) that genuinely like them.
Honestly, China and Russia are natural rivals, very potentially enemies.
Its only shared opposition to the US that keeps Russia and China in cahoots, though perhaps some of the economic ties may begin to change that.
I would love to see Europe and Russia end this gay stand off. Russians are Europeans.
Itd be good if the anglosphere could join this Civilizational alliance also.
A man can dream, aye.
USA lost a lot, in the eyes of Poland, Poland came with the full support of Trump, because Biden's america is not Polish type
@@DerDop Belarus, Kazakstan, North Korea.
@@r_z1 the Belarussians hate Russia, Kazakhstan is imprisoning pro Russian bloggers, Nort Korea I don't know.
Visegrád already split and doesn't exist anymore as a political entity. Victor Orbán in Hungary has sympathy for Russia's Putin (against all lessons from Hungarian history), while all the others have severe Russophobia. Since the war in Ukraine started, Visegrád is dead.
Poland should do business with everyone in the region, but also have its own ambitions. Create its own brands, have its own companies. Create concrete things. And try to renegotiate "protectionism" within the EU.
Poland and ambitions xD
Slovakia and Hungary are friends right now the Slovakian president is Hungarian friendly.Slovakia is the only 1 nation who give basic human rights to Hungarians living in their country.Not like Romania and Ukraine.+we got democratic goverments.Peoples say that Hungary is a dictatorism but it's not.Most of the people who say this wasn't even in Hungary or readed our law's.And also our goverment win's with 67%'s the 4'th time.Our goverment is supported just like the Polish.
This is exceptionally skewed to the Polish side. Still, well done!
Well, this is basically english version of a polish channel.
I agree, skewed to the Polish side. TBH, at this point Eastern Europe has built enough other pipeline and LNG port capacity that Nord Stream 2 will no longer be able to be used as a political threat, so there is no point in opposing it.
@@mattslowikowski3530 That's true, but it will screw over Ukraine. Strong, independent Ukraine (and Belarus, for that matter) is in Poland's best interest. The same goes for the rest of Central-East Europe.
Well maybe, on the other hand, currently the main divergence of interests is the attitude towards Russia. And here the issue is mainly between Poland and the other 3. But yes - I'm Polish :)
@@marcinkosakowski7191 The best example on how to deal with Russia in many spheres including energy should be taken from the Finns. Despite being so close to Russias gas supplies, the Finns are building nuclear power.
Well done
They have something very important in common: ideology. They are all into neo liberal and pro conservative.
Czechs do have wariness against Russia, not that they/we don’t. Our concerns are less pronounced than the Polish ones, but we understand Poles and Russian interference into our politics and their attempts do dominate this part of Europe determine that we do have antagonistic relations with them. Historically, Václav Havel’s criticism of Human Rights record in Russia had deep impact on the other direction of relationships, where Russia is actively trying influence our internal politics...
from the V4 countries only Hungary is somewhat open towards Russia , thanks to Orban’s “iliberal democracy” concept.
No mentions about historic polish-hungarian friendship (during wars),no mention about Hungary as a member of the Turkic Council,no mention about the cooperation of Hungary-Poland-Turkey in the military sector .Germany is losing Power because its state is dividing in big minorities (turkish and syrians).Turkish in Germany (they are letteraly milions of people)are more oriented with Turkey and not with germans .The video isn't so accurate of the real situation ,because the V4 is strenghtening in a lot of areas and so in my personal opinion the ending isn't correct because you aren't well informed about the situation .Also Hungary has a good relation with Israel ,that means a lot of opportunities .
This channel is to promote US vision of Central Europe, where Poland should for all cost support countries like Ukraine against Russia. It's funny because we don't have any territorial disputes with Russia.
@@rysio92 I thought the same thing!🤣
Economically stronger V4 means stronger Germany and stronger Germany means stronger V4. Germany already trades more with V4 than with France and China. There are some political issues but a strategical allience is beneficial for both sides
Good stuff Hubert 👍
Quite spot on points, for example Turkey deployed F-16 jets to Poland very recently and they bought Tb-2 drones from Turkey. Somehow US tries to show Turkey like a Russian ally but it couldn't be more wrong as Turkey adopted carrot and stick policy against Russia in recent years. While buying S-400 and making pipeline deals Turkey also engaged against Russia directly in several countries and it is the only NATO country which repeatedly targeted wagner mercenaries!! Turkey is also heavily supporting and arming Ukraine while what is exactly US doing?? Absolutely nothing expect talking, in fact they even reduced their black sea operations and British navy is trying to fill their gap!! We were saying it was ''putin lover'' trump but biden is no different and actually even acting softer than trump with the recent repealing...
I thought only countries bordering on Black Sea had free access to Bosporus Strait. That being true can't Russia block UK & US Navies from access to Black Sea
@@geraldmeehan8942 Everybody has limited access to Black sea expect Turkey alone, for example even Russia can't sail their submarines through Bosporus!! While it is way worse for non-black sea countries as there is tonnage limit and ships can stay in Black sea for only 21 days. And worst of all tonnage limit isn't for every ship rather entire fleet so if US tries to sail 3 ships they can't be more than 15,000 in total which means only one destoyer could pass. So UK/US navy can't really be a threat to Russian navy in Black sea rather it is only for saying ''im here, you can't do everything'' while US isn't even doing that properly in last few years..
Well, any Polish-Turkish will niw take a hit because of that Belarus thing
You are mistaken about Viktor Orbán's policies.
He couldn't care less about Trianon and its effects or its reversal.
He only cares about keeping his power and he will kiss up to anyone, who will help with that.
Be it the German automakers, Putin or the Chinese.
He's got a whole network to choose from by now and since the EU is impotent (and partly invested in him staying in power through German automakers, for whom he keeps wages low and worker rights non-existent), it will be like that until his own people topple him.
V4 is probably not as relevant today because it's main goals have been achieved, like integration into EU structures etc.
Personally I would like to see V4 like a more pragmatic alternative to left leaning tandem Germany - France in European parliament. Voting force for East of Europe.
@Anthony Simmons Lol that lol, lol. No need for us to leave the EU, it'll implode anyway, thanks to the sociopaths in Brussels and to corrupt and/or clueless politicians like Merkel and Micron. But we will tag along as long as it makes economical sense, prolonging EU-s prosperity and sanity as long as we can... As for you Anthony, you are probably a 4th gen Westerner (when counting generations from WWII) thus morally, emotionally and economically bankrupt, but we still wish you luck in your future endeavors.
@Anthony Simmons Anthony, thanks for the constructive attitude. Your points are noted, but let's not forget that EU politicians and Brussels is not the EU - that would be all the people living WITHIN EU borders. Maaybe the populace will awaken and chase these bloodsuckers away. Anyway, I am glad we have Orban who actually builds up his nation instead of working toward its demise.
@Anthony Simmons He probably reads too much Kremlin propaganda outlets. Majority of people do not want to leave the EU. It's the old communist generation, now mostly pensioners who keep voting for authoritarian style politicians. Those parties now face dwindling voter base.
V4 has outlived its purpose
Great video. The V4 is much more solid because there is so many common threats. However it is possible that the Germans will at least try wedge V4 in this crackline.
1400CE - Russia is Kislev. 2021CE - Poland is Kislev.
Russia 2021CE : blyat for the blyat god!
Trianon-revisionism is not even on the table, this is an incredibly biased or simply idiotic thought.
Revisionists are rare and very much not mainstream in Hungary.
People and leaders aim for protective measures and minority rights for all Hungarians in foreign countries, which are statuses strongly supported by EU and other large entities - in theory. In practice, if Ukraine has to show force but is too weak to do so against russian minorities or the Federation, it clamps down on other minorities enclosed in it's borders, e.g forbidding educational facilities from teaching in any other language than ukrainian.
Also, V4 doesn't claim it's responsible for all the economic developments in the area since '89, it simply promotes political coordination, trade, cultural exchanges and infrastructure projects.
Closeness to other great powers is simply due to a pragmatic POV in economics and, as mentioned as a balancing act.
Well said. Thank you! Köszönöm szépen!
@@davidadam7263 cringe
Of course Trianon revisionism is not on the table, because we were so cut down in force, that from our current position, with a cleptocracy, it would be impossible.
Even if we would not be a cleptocracy, it would still be very hard, though atleast we would be efficient
@@sargafekete_7512 you are delluded if you think revisionism will ever make a comeback into hungarian politics.
People like you undermine the hard work of elevating relations with neighbouring countries, especially with Slovakia, Serbia and Croatia.
If you are a supporter of Hungarians abroad, you should support making these countries allies
Revisionism has no place in European Realpolitik
@@balintlakatos7533 The reason why revisionism (or radical nationalism as a whole) has significant traction in so many countries is because they are embarassingly poor in comparison to their Western neighbors. They yell so much about the pride in their homelands because they need to convince themselves there is actually anything worth being proud of. And there typically isn't.
If Hungary were comparable in terms of standards of living to the likes of the Netherlands, Hungarians would have cared about Transylvania just as much as the Dutch do about Flanders. Which is zilch. And there would be 100,000-strong gay prides marching down the streets of Budapest, political refugees from the Middle East would be admitted at the Palace of Parliament, and a single attempt by a government-friendly businessman to acquire the biggest newspaper in the country would be met with such a devastating backlash, the party in question would never recover.
Visegrad 4: *exists*
European Union, Russia and ISIS: *angery as fuk*
You should do a continuation of this analysis, in regards to the Czech election result... As we have got rid of our PM Babis, the new PM Fiala is concentrating on deepening cooperation with our brothers, Slovakia, Germany and Austria, we have cut off all our investments in China and are best friends of Taiwan, planning to open their embassy in Prague, so when there is a discussion of the topic of V4 in the western TVs, then we are often referred to as the V2 + 2... It has to do a lot with the Poles and Hungarian issues with the EU, in terms of breaching EU law, misusing the EUs subsidies from a corrupt government of Hungary, their shift towards China and Russia and overall with the democratic backsliding in these 2 countries... Many thanks
Does the Czech people really want to be a flower for the German sheepskin coat? I think that Poland, Czech Republic and Slovakia, the Slavic nations should unite our part of the region and make it strong.
@@hubertszadurski3344 We are no puppets of the German speaking nations.. But we have deliberately shifted away from V4, because of the reasons I have written above.. Mainly the corruption, misusing EU subsidies and the overall democracy backsliding... If Orban wins the election April this year, then Hungary is lost - really what Orban is practising has nothing to do with democracy, he is like a small Putin or Xi-Jinping.. And Poland is coppying him in many ways - why do you think there are more and more Polish women each year moving to Czechia? As they do not want to live in Poland, the do not see any future there...
@@viktornovomestsky3999 - Are you kidding?! I have the impression that the people of the Czech Republic have a complex towards their neighbor, you have a false image of Poland. Perhaps it is even justified, because Poland has a population the size of Canada, an area larger than Italy and Great Britain, a lot of natural resources, access to the sea opening for us also they way to the world's oceans and an economy, the value of which, according to economists from the International Monetary Fund, will exceed in 2025 over 1 trillion GDP of USD. In andition, I think that you should be interested Czech women, because you can meet them in Germany, Great Britain, Ireland or Norway, which shows that your country is not perfect and the future is not what you want. Good luck
@@hubertszadurski3344 I did not tell that we are perfect, but that we respect rule of law.. Those are 2 different things.. And to be honest, you can make hundreds of trillions of USD, but your women and kids will not want to live there if you'll continue with your policies... Or do you think that Poland and Hungary have been blocked from receiving post-Covid money from the EU for no reason?? Or do you think that a fine of 1 Mio Euro per day for continuing with your "judicial reform" has been issued just for fun? Or do you think that a fine of 500 Thousand Euro per day for continuing with your Turow coal mining has been issued just for fun as well?? Think about it...
@@viktornovomestsky3999 Yes...you are definitely closer to Austria or Germany because your knowledge of my country is based on a false image.
V4 Europa Defender.
Conervatism Renaissance
they should include romania..serbia..ukraine...latvia..estonia and lithuania..to protect family values and religion..not migrants or liberals...
You should watch acts 17 apologetics and pfander films and dcci ministries and christian prince and cira international and shamounian and soco films on TH-cam and watch all the videos on TH-cam Stan koziol 😀😀😀
What are "family values". That just is far too easy to interpret however one wants...
Ok,n@z!
3:44 you guys need to start using more boring music as background of your videos. I had to rewind this one at least 3 times after noticing that I completely lost concentration on the subject to find myself dancing on the floor.
Love the channel. Thanks.
I mean, well prepared and explained; I am from the Czech Republic, we have always been the greatest servants of the Kremlin in the group (as evidenced by our current president Zeman and also the former president Klaus); but Hungary today? ... that really surprises me; ... under "totalitarianism", Budapest, it was almost a place like the forbidden West for us from Czechoslovakia, while now it is slowly becoming a Russian colony, why???
Milan, Budapest is far from being a Russian colony and we like to keep it that way. None of us is crazy about them. It just since their withdrawal from the Iron Curtain countries we have no enmity towards Russia. We are truly neutral in this question while anti-russianism is the sentiment in Western Europe, USA and Poland. In our view you guys can fight it out without us being involved.
Remember when Zemal suggested NATO deployment to Ukraine in 2014? Surely slave of Putin..
Poland has hundreds of kilometres of buffer zone with Russia.
Russian troops in Kaliningrad: НЕТ
+ they can just march through Belarus - which they do
cute pronunciation of Czech names :-D
I'm happy for the graceless expiry of the Soviet Union and I don't care for Yugoslavia, but the Visegrád 4 must remain together and remain strong.
Like always, comment for algorithm
Thanks Jakub :)
Great vid bro
i thought visegrad means more cities as more heads is smarter than one, together we are stronger! because in Slavic (Croatian) vise means high or biger or more , and grad means city.the name makes sense for a settlement / city because it is probably located on some sort of hill!
I like the idea of the slavo/central-eastern (euro) city on the hill.
The west-euro/Anglo countries don't deserve this standing any longer, I'd love to see a central-Eastern European Renaissance type thing.
Excellent video! Probably my favorite so far!
Thanks Patryk!
Orbán, not Orbin. 🤣 Say the á like "ah"
Yes!
Orbitron the great dictator
It's interesting how 2 years since we have seen some things stay the exact same and others change completely. Hungary proved itself to be very pro russian since the start of the war in Ukraine... While Poland showed everyone that they were right about Russia and still have very anti EU government ( which is changing as we speak considering the 2023 elections ) Slovakia had returned to their status quo of passive indifference to Russia and with Fico back in power will gradually turn back to what they were as this video was posted.
With Czechia having arguably a very big difference between these 2 years. Czechia turned their critique of Russia to complete opposition and turned to one of the most pro Ukraine countries after USA, The Baktics and Poland... Also showing good leadership in their EU presidency. It just shows how the V4 is already past it's expiration date... From 2004 on it's basically useless
Why Crimea is shown as part of Russia? Something went totally wrong during the creation of this video
When?
Well like it or not, it is de facto a part of Russia
Love your material. Keep it up!
Thank you Hugo!
This is an over simplified,
somewhat incorrect point of view. 1)There is no need to be fanatically anti Russian.
2)The way Brussels treats
the V4 is often discusting and humilating while displaying double standards.
3)Poland is pro American.
4)The V4 need each other.
"1)There is no need to be fanatically anti Russian." --- Fanatically? No. But, pragmatically, yes. It is in the interest of Central-European Countries to keep Russia away from the "diplomatic table". Otherwise, we can end up with a situation that happened countless times before, Western Europe and Russia deciding about the fate of Central-Eastern Europe without countries of that region being allowed to take part in the discussion.
It is already happening on many levels. Just pay attention to what did Merkel and Marcon said after their proposition of warming the EU-Russia relations failed. Both declared that they don't need approval from the EU to meet with Putin on their own.
Your second and third points only reinforce my point. Poland is pro-American because it has no other choice. Brussels/Old EU is open towards cooperation with Russia and doesn't care for "New EU" interests. While the countries of Central-Eastern Europe are always hard to cooperate with and often go against the interests of the region.
Every sane, moral person is by definition anti-Russian.
Sure, no need to oppose russia, we can always just surrender when their troops cross our borders.
Weird how after ww 1 the Ottomans and Habsburg got completely destroyed, think lost honestly more than we Germans but well guess the difference is also that there where no Austrian or Hungarian people living in this regions while a lot of German majority regions where under different governments.
Amogus
Sus
very interesting video
Russia did not invade and forcibly annex Crimea.
Yea right… they just sneezed, tripped and like that thousands of russian troops accidentally invaded a sovereign nation and overlooked its annexation.
Could you imagine if the US invaded a nation and then ANNEXED it?? Its no longer the ignorant age of imperialism.
@@TheGhostOf2020 The guy asking questions is you th-cam.com/video/SJBQikfYyKs/w-d-xo.html
Don't tell me that Ukraine invited the Russian troops to the Crimean Peninsula
@@PrexXyx no the Russian people (who make up 70% of Crimean population) of Crimea voted to leave the Ukraine and then vote to join the federation, look it up
Russia invaded Crimea and organised a vote about the peninsula's fate. The UN asked to oversee the election but Russia refused. Why had Russia refused if the vote was not rigged? How could 97% vote for the accesion if 12% of the population are Tatars who can't stand Russia?
What is this video about? Even EU has own divergencies. All political groups are quite like this, they have some divergencies, but it doesnt mean that they are on brink of collapse.
Quite ironically, the biggest beneficiary of V4 as it is, a troublesome political union within EU border, is Russia. In the meanwhile, Poland may have the biggest influence on V4 politics, but they have not that much gains. Which is quite interesting because current polish goverment is openly anti-EU AND anti-russian, and there is no real other alternative... like, what's the plan here? We get out of the club and what next?
6:40 what??? china is a staunch opposer to border changes, and russia isnt gonna give up on its regional allies like that, not to mention most of those areas don't have a hungarian majority anymore
Interesting video about middle east european countries
super video👍👍👍
The States of America ought to split up into individual independent countries... Divergence of that corrupt monstrosity would be a God send making WW3 less likely.....
Lol 245 years and counting. For a nobody to a superpower. Truly remarkable growth in history only comparable to the Chinese miracle.
I’m not even American myself but expecting the division of their Union at this level of cultural homogeneity, deep history and shared prosperity and integration is like expecting Germany’s states to separate or Japan’s Prefectures.
It’s not happening
Tho I am genuinely curious to hear what your model for the division of the US would look like. Mind talking about it?
mate turn your gain down i got a shock when i clicked on the video THE VISEGRAD 4 please fix your mic
Zeman won because his opponents sucked.
Nice video
the new polish-lithuanian commonwealth
It may appear to others that the V4 do not have real power to influence the West for the moment, but in the long term this will change especially after the complete reorganization of the EU.