6D Helmets Real World Review - $695 worth it for a helmet? | ATR 1 and ATR 2
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Here is my review of the 6D ATR-1 and ATR-2 helmets. I first bought the ATR-1 last summer for a whopping $695 from Rocky Mountain ATV/MC. It was by far the most expensive helmet I’ve ever owned. Then RM ATV/MC sent me a $100 dollar rebate for the helmet and it was still the most expensive helmet I’ve ever used. I wasn’t crazy about the way it fit. It was very tight and I like tight helmets. I normally wear a medium with other brand, so I went with the medium here and it’s crazy tight. You might want to bump up a size when buying one of these helmets.
The ATR-2 is the next evolution in their lineup and I think they made some good improvements and it seems to be more comfortable to wear. I like the ATR-2 better and I think it’s a very good helmet. I’m not sure if the technology they are employing is worth the $695 price tag or not, but if you want the best, there isn’t much better than this helmet.
From www.6dhelmets....
BROAD-RANGE PROTECTION
The Most Compliant Energy Management Solution Available.
From low to high velocity impacts the ATR-2 out- performs the market competitors by significant margins.
The advanced ODS system is freer to manage shearing loads while managing linear compressions with a combination of isolation dampers and variable height EPP damping towers.
LOW-THRESHOLD ENERGY
Low Velocity Impacts are Far and Away the Most Common Type of Off-Road Accidents.
Medical research has provided alarming conclusions surrounding the causes, severity, and long-term effects of concussions. Even seemingly minor concussions may have much more serious long-term effects on the brain.
No other helmet company cared about low-threshold energy transfer before 6D brought the issue to light in 2013. This is the most critical performance range of helmets and covers all impact velocities below the certification standard’s requirements, for both linear and angular accelerations.
Low-Threshold Energy is the most concerning problem facing the athlete today, illustrated in this simple graph to the right. As you can see, the energy transfer in all the competitive helmets referenced is at, or above the concussion threshold for an adult male and accurately represents the market.
6D’s Omni-Directional Suspension (ODS) starts working the instant any force is applied to the shell. Its suspended inner liner travels and shears under crash impact loading thereby reducing energy transfer to the brain.
TIME-TO-PEAK (TTP)
Time is Critical in Reducing Energy Transfer to the Brain.
Time-To-Peak (TTP) is the measurement of time (in milliseconds) it takes the energy of an impact to reach maximum (peak) G force. Deceleration time is the single most beneficial component of reducing the severity and magnitude of any impact. The more time, the less severe the energy transfer will become.
6D’s advanced ODS technology buys time.
ANGULAR ACCELERATION
Angular Acceleration Force is the Primary Cause of Concussion.
Angular acceleration (rotational force) is generated from oblique angle impacts to the helmet surface resulting in shearing, stretching, and tearing, of the soft tissues within the brain. The medical community has determined that angular acceleration is the primary cause of concussion, traumatic brain injury and worse.
Laboratory testing at Wayne State University* has proven that a helmeted head sustained the same degree of angular acceleration as the un-helmeted head when subjected to identical impacts. This is because the helmet is directly “coupled” to the wearer’s head. One of the major benefit features of Omni-Directional Suspension (ODS) is that it effectively “uncouples” that relationship allowing the shell and outer liner to shear independently to the inner layer and the head-form; thereby scrubbing off a high percentage of the angular acceleration force.
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FYI, if you purchase a 6D ATR 1 or a ATR 2 helmet and you try it on and it is too tight you can change out the cheek pads to a smaller set. Just call 6 D and talk to a tech, give them your info and they will mail you a smaller set of cheek pads if its too tight, also if the helmet is slightly loose when purchased they have available a interior liner too make the fitment slightly tighter
Nice work hopping around 4 days after the surgery! Be careful!
Honestly, the price is comparable with a lot of other premium helmets, like the Bell Flex. One thing that actually makes it a pretty good deal is that these helmets are rebuildable. If you have a wreck, you can send it in and have 6D replace the impact protection bits for around 150 bucks.
I have probably close to 150 hours on my 6D ATR1 and have had it rebuilt once. I’ve found the service to be absolutely excellent.
Obviously the reason I had to rebuild the helmet is because of crashing head first a couple times. Nothing crazy, but I did find that I didn’t have mild concussion symptoms for the next few days, like I did with my previous helmets. To me, this is absolutely worth it. I work with my head (IT), so being out of it for a few days easily looses me a few hundred bucks.
Fit was another reason I chose this helmet (it was between that and the Bell Flex). I find it extremely comfortable and can wear it all day. Everyone’s head is different though.
This is a difficult debate due to the number of variables known and unknown. I wear Shoei now but will consider the 6D in the future. Personally there are only a few helmets to consider for piece of mind. That is Arai, Shoei (depending on the shape of head), 6D and Bell Moto 9. ANYTHING else is a serious gamble. Especially the Fox helmets, they just do not have the same quality control. Just not worth the risk and you may not be around to know you should have forked a few hundred extra bucks. Good video Kyle.
Funny you should post this video about 6D when I am literally about to purchase the ATR-2. I have been following 6D for about a year now and I believe that they are a small company that has actually changed the game in terms of helmet safety with the rest of the field slowly but surely following. I think that the size of the company probably has something to do with the high price of the helmet & technology behind it. I think growing pains are to be expected and over time the price may come down somewhat. It also seems like 6D has put it's efforts into safety first and left creature comforts to fend for themselves. Again, with all of the thought processes behind the technology it's hard for me to fathom that no one thought about an extra visor, chipping paint, speaker cutouts, cheek pad sizes, etc. I gotta believe that at least at this stage of the game that someone made these decisions as opposed to being ignorant to the facts (I dunno, just my thoughts).
At the end of the day what I know is, just like you, regardless of the price, the ATR-2 will don my noggin because I feel that is offers the best protection currently available in the marketplace today.
Glad to see you up and moving around after the surgery, hope it went well and wishing you a speedy recovery.
I am currently using the LS2 Subverter helmet. It moves a ton of air (35 ventilation ports) and they have what they call EPS that does the anti-rotational energy absorption kinda similar to the MIPS system. So far I am really liking the helmet and at $199 a lot of bang for the buck.
I'm sold on the fox v3, after seeing ken roczens supercross crash (or was it monster cup?) and coming out without even a concussion I went out and bought a v3, within a few weeks I had a big crash on a set of rollers going into the face of another one and I didn't get a concussion. I mostly put it down to the MIPS technology, so my top 2 would be the v3 and the TLD se4.
I agree. When 6d first came out, they had an advantage over some other helmet manufacturers. Now other helmet manufacturers have their own technology which provide similar protection, IMO. The MIPS offered by Fox is just one example.
No offense gentlemen but this is an incredibly stupid way to buy a helmet.
First, you do not know if Ken had a concussion. What you meant to say is "he didn't get knocked out". A concussion can be something that dazes a rider. Seeing stars, even momentarily, or having a headache = concussion. Don't believe me? Go ask the NFL players who are having trouble years later...
Second, MIPS is a joke compared to what 6D is doing. Though having a liner than can rotate will help spread energy in the event of a rotating crash, it is a knife in a gun fight compared to the way the elastomers in the 6D helmet work.
6D is by far the most impressive helmet company in the world. Go learn how the technology works. Play with it. Look at it with your own two eyes. I won't wear anything else, and quiet literally my life depends on it.
No i meant to say he didn't get a concussion. If you saw his interview after the crash he mentioned multiple times he had no concussion from the crash.
I agree with you in the aspect that 6d has amazing technology, however how can we now which helmet is better unless we have 2 identical crashes in both helmets? The point is we cant. Even with the snell, ece and dot tests we still don't know which one is better.
Mips is a liner in the helmet that helps distribute the rotational forces (rotational forces are associated with being the primary cause of concussions). 6D's 'suspension' technology is also very good in terms of distributing impact forces.
What i'm getting to is we can only make a decision on what we know about the technology, analyzing crashes and reviews of those who have worn the helmet and from personal use. I have had an amazing experience with the V3, which i have found to be better than my previous helmets and i have seen many high impact crashes with little to no head injury so i trust the V3's technology. 6D may be better, but who knows, with all the positive reviews, i may try it next
Did you replace the helmet after this crash
@@JeffreyJim09 agreed
I use the fox v3. I like the look of fox stuff and usually it's affordable as the next model comes up, or a less popular line will go on sale. I totally get people talking about how priceless a helmet is. That said most of us aren't made of money as long as it's rated to do the job I'll go with it. I know it always could be better, but the same could be said of a lot of safety things in life.
...this is silly.
1) A brain injury of any kind will cost tens to hundreds of thousands. I promise. I've been there.
2) Just because a helmet meets a standard does not mean they are all the same. Not even close. Most every other helmet is designed to fail in order to absorb energy. This is the primary way it protects your head. The foam cracks instead of your noggin. The 6D is more akin to suspension. It doesn't fail persay (or it does, but that is the secondary means of energy absorption), but rather it absorbs the impact the same way your suspension absorbs a bump.
They work entirely different. I'm not going to say how muc hbetter the 6D is, but it IS better, in that it will still protect your head in lower speed impacts.
Put another way, using your logic, a Prius is just as safe as a full sized 2500HD just because they both are approved by the US DOT to comply to all road safety standards. Which would you rather be in an accident in?
Any helmet over $100 will save your life.
I've never bought a helmet that came with extra visor, nor have I seen any for sale that list extra visor included.
Eyeports: Fox V2 pilot has tallest eyeport opening of ones I've tried with my goggles. LS2 MX456 goggles fit tight, Bell Moto9 goggles fit tight. Cheap scott goggles, 100% goggles, Pro-grip, Scott Tyrant. Tyrant with adjustable nose bridge fit the best, less pressure on nose. They should probably make the eyeport 1/4" taller on all helmets to fit goggles better but then maybe they are that way on purpose for a tight fit with less face exposed.
Well, I've never bought a $600 dirt bike helmet so I suppose that's the problem. Spend enough on one and they will include an extra $15 part for it 😉
I like my Leatt 5.5 and it utilizes very similar “6D” technology at a fraction of the price. Super light weight too. So far so good.
Mike Pinnell agreed. Love my leatt
Not to mention the ventilation is second to none. My head stays cool in really hot temperatures.
Bryson Stafford I buy MX stuff like my ski gear a season old. Save big! I would buy the Leatt again.
Not sure I totally agree. The leatt utilizes a smaller shell to minimize the rotational forces on impact. The 6D uses over sized shell(s) which has the opposite effect thus they have to put more padding in there. I did extensive research. I would proudly where a 6D and almost did. The 6D is probably marginally better but I didn't want to drop that kinda cash on a helmet. There are lots of decent helmets out there for less than the 6D. I like the Bell 's too.
I agree with you Mike 100% and also love my leatt
I own the ATR2 the blue and orange one in the video to be exact and I can tell you these are amazing. They are changing the helmet game.
I use 100% RaceTech goggles - the Scotts did not fit with 6D helmet. But I can also say that the difference between AGV top model and 6D is insane. I haven't had any "sparks" flying when hitting a branch with 6D. Others like Leatt and Bell have similar technologies today and these helmets are better when compared to conventional design. Suomy uses two materials with different densities to achieve similar effect.
Kyle - Love your channel. I appreciate you giving the run down of the ATR1 vs ATR2. I've reviewed and worn the 6D helmet extensively as well. Few thoughts...
1) I still struggle with a bad concussion a decade prior. For better or for worse, my understanding of brain injury surpasses the average adventure sports enthusiast. If you ever (God forbid) have to deal with such a thing, I can promise you'd be willing to pay $5000 for even a minimal increase in protection.
2) I'm a suspension tester for a mountain bike magazine. How does that relate? Well, 6D claims their helmet is "suspension for your head". I agree neither you or me can objectively, independently, work out if their technology is better. That said, having played with cut-in-half samples, compared to the competition, it is extrodinary how it works. Its akin to looking at an old school right side up fork that isn't damped compared to the hottest KYB upside down tricked out damper. Neither you nor me needs to be an engineer to see which will absorb more energy.
So yeah, I know its a lot of money, but its money that I'd encourage everyone to spend (and then some). In my opinion, this is the only helmet that'll actually help prevent not just TBI but *concussions*. Realize, most helmets don't do a whole lot for concussions. They only help when the foam actually fails (cracks absorbing energy). This helmet will absorb energy in small impacts, medium impacts and large impacts. Put another way, it isn't "tuned" for one event only but a range.
Either way, thanks for posting. Happy to comment more if you have any question!
One more thing - the liner (what sits against your noggin) does pack out. I too wear a medium and it was super tight the first 20 days. Helmet now fits perfect.
I have never gotten a spare vizier with any helmet I have purchased what brands give you a spare
Alpinestars
I recently bought a helmet that fit well after you got it on, but would almost rip your ears off going on and off. So, what I did was take an old youth-sized basketball and deflate it, put it inside the helmet and then add enough air pressure to the ball to flex the sides a little bit. Then I just store it that way in a warm spot until my next ride. Fits great now! Of course, one would not want to overdo it on the air pressure.
I chose to go with the leatt gpx5.5 for several reasons. 1, it was within my budget 2, I like the safety features, 3, i like the super low weight and smaller shell size as well as the great ventilation.
I own the ATR 1 and after having a get off head first into a tree..I must say that it worked excellently to dampen the impact..i am sold on the concept , also after owning an Arai and having fitment /comfort issues and selling it to buy my ATR 1, I must say the 6D was a good choice for me..both lids were a medium..so to all folks..we have different shaped heads and faces...so make sure you try the lid on and rotate your head fully to make sure you are comfortable (my Arai hit the back of my neck, pushing my goggles down on my nose)..I am looking forwards to try out the ATR 2.
my fox v3 creo is the best helmet i ever had, large vision, verry comfortable and solid
Thats all anyone need in slow enduro. I don't understand the $700 helmets for enduro. My knees have been the biggest worry.
Do reviews on some of the goggles you have been using.
I will not likely change from the fox helmets... Had a fox trace way back.... Had a pretty big crash and no concussion... Bought a new fox v1.... Absolutely love the helmet!!
Have you found the eyeport to be big enough for Scott/100% type goggles, so they don’t shove down on the nose? I’m thinking about getting a fox, some helmets I’m trying out have a really low brow:/. Thanks!
Hard to put a price on a helmet because of what it is made to protect. I'm sure somewhere on the internet is a real review on if the 6D's claimed concussion features. Thanks for the review heal up soon hope your wife is recovering well also.
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I rather have a helmet that can reduce concussions to a safe level rather than suffer a serious one with these cheap helmets lol all these guys on here saying oh these are very good and cheap well I rather put a price on my head and try to reduce any brain damage so suck it
Before I watch this video I just have to say: there is no price you can put on your own life and quality of life. On Sunday I was doing some mountain woods riding here in California, and had a very violent crash on a logging/fire road. I banged my head on a rock pretty hard but came out unscathed. My helmet saved not only my life but possible permanent brain damage. My helmet is retired at this point.
If anyone is shopping for a helmet, go into a retail store and personally try some on. Find what fits YOU the best and comfortable, no matter what the cost is! Not every helmet is going to fit everyone the same.
Any helmet $100 and above will save your life. $700 helmets are over kill for slow enduro.
Fit is everything. If the helmet doesn't fit correctly it isn't worth anything. Which is why I didn't get a 6D. They are way too tight for me. When I got to a size that didn't cause hot spots in 5 mins wearing it, it was too l lose around the crown of the head. The other thing I noticed and wasn't a fan of with 6D is that the shell his huge compared with other helmets. I guess it has to be to fit all the "suspension" inside it.
I went with a Bell moto 9 flex carbon. It's been a great helmet. I've taken a couple of pretty hard hits to the head in them and felt no ill effect. One I didn't even know I had hit my head until I watched the video from the fall.
I'm sure if the 6D fits your head, it's probably an excellent helmet. Just isn't right for me.
I can't even get my head into an XL from 6D. I think I managed to wedge into an XXL and it was amazingly uncomfortable. I'll stick to Bell, Arai, and Shoei.
The 6D technology is valid. Talk to any Neurosurgeon (brain and spine surgeon) (I did) and they will tell you the suspension system in these helmets slow the head and brain down in a crash. This helmet protects you from not only high speed impacts (all helmets do that) but also from medium and low speed impacts. Most people spend good money on boots, why not your helmet? You can live with a messed up foot or leg, but not a messed up brain...
One thing to note, the shell size is the same on their XXL and XL helmets, and for the L and M, and for S and XS. So if you wear a XL, Med, or S, the shell will be larger, they just add more padding to make up the size difference.
I have an ATR-1 one as well and I've only found one pair of goggles that fit well with it and all the other ones really smash the bridge of my nose also. Thank you for this review because I have been looking at helmets as mine is about due to be replaced.
I own Leatt, fox v3 and 6D. I am a believer in technologies that reduce concussion. I firmly believe that 6d does it best. I have combed through all kinds of research on the subject. The big problem is there isn't an independent testing facility. 6d does it best using a university. I do not have the same fitment issues. I have had others who have XXXL faces but XL heads. It is foolish to put them in an XXXL helmet. 6d makes cheek pads that are smaller. Try taking out the pads and then try the fit on your head. It it is still tight then go up if it isn't then call up 6d and get smaller cheek pads. If any of you are buy a new helmet please consider the newest rotational technologies. Mark my word, you will see a change in Hemet rules soon throughout all sponsored races requiring rotational technologies.
Bell Moto 9 carbon flex 👌
How about a goggle review next. Cheers Curt
They just won a helmet safety award from the NFL and was awarded a 500k grant from them to help do their research and development for the nfl , who takes helmet and concussion safety very serious. Safe to say all the stuff 6d says their technology does, is true. Not to mention you can have your helmet rebuilt for a hundred bucks. Well worth the money. I’m not sure how you can post a review and with a straight face, compare a 6d with annnyyyy 2-300 dollar helmet. You get what you pay for.
I’ve crashed hard in a 6D ATR1. Worth it to me.
Well no helmet stops concussion but 6D try’s to reduce it no eliminate it because that’s impossible but if you can give riders a mild concussion on a heavy hard crash that’s Better than having a serious concussion so does 6d stop concussion noooo it reduces while others don’t even reduce concussion instead you will have a serious concussion with a bell helmet or shoei helmets are single layer helmets
I just picked up a fxr 6d atr-2 for 104 off fxr flash sale so exited
It's sure good to see Azog keeping busy since the whole Sauron/bilbo/middle earth debacle.
leatt makes a very cool (lots of air flow), very light, and has the moving low impact rotational tech for like way less
Airoh for the win!
If you had to pick either the 6D ATR-2 or the Klim F5, which one and why?
Would love a reply!!
For $624, in my hands, out the door; would you buy this again? Totally considering it, for my GoPed driving on the streets.
Cant decide to spend the coin on this, or just go for a cheaper one and hope i dont ever "use it."
Why buy multiple helmets(year after year or whatever)??
Would this be a one time purchase, potentially lasting me "Forever" or until it gets "used for protecting my noggin"???
Airoh....
Jon Blenker i love mine
mine is amazing super light small shell, great ventilation so comfortable, best helmet i have ever had in my 17 years of riding
@@enduro-parts-aus Untill you crash…
@@haroldasdubrickas9663 yeah im sure thats why so many professionals choose to use them, because they are more likely to get brain damage in the event of a crash lol
@@enduro-parts-aus smallest and lightest are not 2 things which relates well with safety. There are smart tricks and materials but you cant beat physics. Thats why you wont see Shoei or Arai lighter than 1250 grams and not because they cant make them lighter.
I've had a 6D carbon fibre for a couple years now. Only thing I don't like it for is on the sled. The vents work great for warm weather but will freeze your face off in the winter.
Different standards for snowmobile shells?? It's like wearing a street helmet on dirt or vice versa??
Chris York Actually there's very little difference if any in off-road helmets and snowmobile helmets. For example Klim which started out as a snowmobile gear company. Their latest generation helmet the f5 if you look on their site is listed for off-road and snowmobile. Now I know the guys in the Midwest like full face street bike style helmets with heated visors. However they also wear really heavy snow gear to keep warm. Because they are mostly flat land trail riders and frozen lake racers sitting on the seat all day. While us mountain riders wear off-road helmets waterproof outer layers and breathable lightweight under layers. We also put the smallest seats on possible so as not to get in the way from hopping from one side to the other riding off camber slopes in the mountains.
Man that TH-cam money must be paying off, the cost of my RMZ 450 was just a little more than your two helmets.
Right.
*Works great. I especially like the grinding / cutting mode and the off mode⛑️ **allabout.wiki/Downhill** Be sure to turn it back to welding mode before striking an arc, or else - flash burn. . .The only down side is the head band. Is is cheap, but I understand standard head bands will fit, so I will probably upgrade the head band.I had an old self darkening hood that worked, but I thought I was going blind because I could not see the puddle.*
You should Add the knee Brace to most important protection when riding...
Helmet, Boots & Knee Brace
I don't think the knee braces are anywhere near as important as helmets and boots. I say that even after tearing my ACL.
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Yeah I agree I always wear helmet and boots but that's it hope I don't regret it someday. I've tried to wear knee guards just can't do it. I was just giving you a hard time. Hope you're healing up well
there is a video about the dot standard on fortnine's channel, its more street oriented but in sumary dot dosent mean any thing withought a snell or other indipendent rateing.
Ho do these compare to your Klim F5? Have you looked into the Klim F5 koroyd....
I have a 3rd Gen F5 and really like the helmet. It has the most vents on a helmet and keeps me cool in the hot summer months. I also ride in Klim Mojave pants, super vented and durable.
You don't need the 1K helmets for the average rider, Your body and limbs for the average rider are more important and will bet the most to get damaged. Swap promoted Shoei. Good Helmet but it's not necessary to spend that coin for a basic helmet.
I have the atr 1 , for the riding and climate down here Australia Victoria, I would like more vents like the airoh aviator 2 witch I’m planning to get
I had hernia surgery a week ago. Waiting to heal also.
what goggles do you use? i have noticed the same goggle issues and i use 100%
Same here 100% race craft, goggle strap all the way out, kills the bridge of my nose. Search is on cause eventually it gets distracting and affects my riding!
You can change the pads to make it looser for you
Airoh helmets, thanks Kyle.
$700 seems like a lot for a plastic helmet, I say that because hand laid fiberglass or similar layup takes time and labor, plastic is just molded by machine.
Great video
6D ATR-2 for me.
buying a 700 dollar helmet, buying the same size as usual, complain about the sizing evidently ignorant of head shape vs helmet shape
for that kinda money I'd rather go with shoei or arai.
I have a Bell Moto 9 Carbon and it's my favorite. I've also raced with a Shoei VFX-W and would take both over the 6D, but it's still a solid helmet.
Never heard of them?
What's wrong with Bell, Arai, Shoe or AGV? Cheaper, Proven and way way better.
HankDCFC they are not better. But if you have experience with bell, arai and shoei what do you like about them and which one do you like best?
My helmet is the same way about being tight to get on and off
What size of fitted hat do you wear? Thanks
I've never gotten extra visors.. Just sayin
Really heavy by 480 grams and old looking . airoh is where its at . airoh $1000 here well worth it
Are they very lightweight?
Carl Atamanczyk he talks about the weight around half way through.
No
And honestly they are not worth $700 if you do slow enduro.
Overpriced lid IMO, bet the quality is good but not great. 6D worth the expense, definitely NOT
i ahve same prob with my nose on my atr1!!
Arai, the only helmet made properly with proper materials.
How do you feel these compare to an Arai helmet?
I am curious too. I love my Arai Helmets. I have wore both Shoei and Arai and love their feel.
Protection wise these should be superior. That being said nothing fits or is as comfortable as an Arai.
It fits a lot like an arai
Chris Smith I have the ATR-1 carbon fibre. As good as the protection is its nowhere near as comfortable as an Arai.
if its worth it..... you cant put a price on your head
SUOMY
First!
Dont put a price on your brain
2nd
Obviously, you're not a racer!!!
how you tear acl?