Why DRS is the best option we have right now
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ต.ค. 2024
- I think we can all agree we'd prefer an F1 without DRS. But I'm going to argue that DRS is a force for good right now, in a world where F1 aero regulations are struggling to contain designs that wreck the racing.
If you need a quick refresher on the point of DRS, this is the video for you!
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There is nothing more permanent than a temporary solution.
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Deep bro, deep
You got a solution for us then, I assume?
@@derrickstorm6976 I'm guessing you didn't get the reference. If you want a solution to overtaking, go back to ground effects from the 70's/80's. Get your downforce without all that "dirty air".
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You should make a video about why on some tracks, it's really difficult to overtake a car (like Australia and Hungary), compared to other tracks where it's easier
I agree. Cause it isn't always obvious which tracks are easy and which are not. That would actually be very interesting
@@jacobjonasson7903 You can always check for historical data to give you an indication. lmgtfy.com/?q=data+on+recent+F1+overtake+numbers+by+track
it's not so hard to figure out, at least in a general way: australia and hungary have a thing in common: they lack significant breaking points, they're full of fast turns, and so outbraking an opponent isn't an option, and that makes it hard to overtake. at the opposite side of the spectrum is monaco, that instead has pretty much only hard breaking points, that coupled with a narrow track, makes it hard to overtake because you mantain a relatively slow speed for all the lap, and that hard breaking points, with low speeds, are not so hard anymore... now let's look at a track where overtakes are always plentiful: Baku. So, it's not the widest track in some points, but overall it's not narrow either, and it has long straights immediately followed by sharp turns, that's the sweet spot: high speed with low speed corner just after, that makes for hard breaking, and the chance to outbreak an opponent
What about Monaco?
@@rubikhimaduna4372 answered in my comment :D
I don't really mind DRS, but I feel that adding a 3rd DRS zone in many circuits was not needed
Aabhas Sharma it’s almost like they want DRS at every straight on circuits
Yeah, i feel like the drs on the 2nd straight of Bahrain was a bit too much.
It seems counterproductive too, as 3 drs zones don't give the car that's overtaking intially the chance to create distance, leaving them vulnerable to losing their position right away. Especially if the car being overtaken has an engine advantage. We saw this ia Bahrein with Verstappen and Bottas.
Or increasing the DRS Effect in 2019
I think the new DRS zone in the second straight of Baku gave opportunity to some great overtakes on the outside of the corner.
People eigther don't know or forgot how it was before DRS: There was basically no overtaking at all! Even at Monza or Montreal, I remember races where someone was catching up to a car over 1 second faster than the car in front, only to get stuck behind them anyway because of all the dirty air...
I see DRS as a substitute for slipstream.
And just look at the last race in Bahrain, great battles despite 3 DRS zones!
There was no overtaking in the lastest years, but F1 has been there for ages and decades ago it was quite exciting without DRS and crap like that. So, DRS is only allowing F1 to be boring as fuck and get away with it without even addressing the real causes why it's been a bore lately. It's like taking a painkiller when you have a major illness, it will stop the pain but it won't stop the main cause, which is still there and causing harm.
At least, this is how I see the whole thing, DRS isn't a solution to anything.
@@gusrtw20 Downforce and engineering weren't as big of a deal back then. Now engineers can squeeze out every ounce of a car's power these "small" differences from decades ago matter.
Wednesday Did you not watch the video? The tow isn’t very useful when the trailing driver has 50% of normal downforce in the previous corners...
You got my vote - (a) amend the DRS length to the start of the straight as in your last suggestion, but (b) otherwise keep DRS until the rules are properly recrafted for 2021.👍
*2021
How on earth have you manage to comment on this video two days in advance?
@@lukasa7616 Aha! I have a time-machine!
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@@FiddlerSteve Yes. My bad. Have fixed it now - thanks a lot!
@@lukasa7616 yeah what the fuck
Could be because i am a recent f1 fan (but my father whatched it so i know a bit about old f1)
But i like DRS i see it more like a gift, i mean, you must havr ability in the corners to stay near of your "enemy" and DRS zone it's a reward for that ability.
And the HALO i think it looks so good on an f1 car, could be better, but i think it's good.
Sorry my english.
Now it just looks natural. Honestly modern F1 cars without halos look weird now.
@@abramo7700 agree it just makes so much sense having a halo, how wasn’t that implemented much earlier.
As a new F1 fan myself getting into it now I genuinely believe it's the F1 equivalent of 'power boost' in F1. It makes the race feel like a video game. It incentivizes close following and rewards driver race craft. Just to think that a chasing driver will need to leverage tows forcing the defending driver to make mistakes and flipping on DRS at the right time to get ahead is fantastic! Probability of outcomes are more varied.
Formula E*. Typo.
*Charles leclerc in the tire barrier stupid noises*
The main problem with your suggestion of shortening the DRS zones and having them start earlier is that when that rear wing closes mid-straight the whole car is destabilized. Imagine a giant hand reaching down and yanking backwards on the wing while you trying to fight someone down a straight, while dealing with their slipstream. That's just asking for an accident. And the stronger the DRS effect, the greater the destabilization when it ends.
Very nice April Fools' joke there, sir! You almost got me!
Wait.
why did your commebt completely change from hurdles to april fools or is youtube just high
@@thorodinson7467 yup even I noticed some weird shit happening to comments. Even my own comment changed once
I think it is a joke because imo F1 is about cars fuck the drivers, they matter but engineer does and should matter more
@@sra7194 dang susan needs to do her job
@@sra7194 lmao it changed into a minecraft comment
So glad you're back and healthy! I love these videos.
Since Winter Session, I have been waiting for Chainbear to drop his first video of the season.
@@Mruck_Trop and you're not alone... welcome back!
They said in the current tests with 2021 rules, downforce reduces 5% when chasing another car. Right now that's 50%!
That would be great
30-50% right now depending on who you ask. Who is they though? I would like to read that article.
1320crusier Ross Brawn was saying it at the Bahrain GP - 50% atm when 1 car length behind, 2021 CFD simulations show only 5% somehow
@@1320crusier it's on F1 website
They can't possibly anticipate all the solutions that engineers will come up with
What if they let the drivers use DRS anytime they want but put a limit on the amount of seconds they can use it throughout a whole race. A bit like push to pass in Indycar except its DRS. That way it can be used tactically by both the attacking car AND the defending car. I.e the defender can choose to use some of his allowed DRS time to help defend his position.
I like this.
He went over that very idea in the video
No, he went over the ideas of using "DRS anywhere, anytime" and using "DRS anywhere, limited per lap". My Idea expands on the latter idea to allow use of DRS anywhere with a limit over race not per lap. That allows for more strategic use of DRS. For example, using more DRS time to help defend, but perhaps leaving you vunerable if you use to much and have to use it sparingly later in the race. Or perhaps an attacker using more DRS time to catch a car infront, but then hasn't got much DRS time left to make the move, defend after overtaking or pull away after overtaking.
@@xLegendZzz Ah I didn't catch that it would be over the whole race. That's not a bad idea yeah. I think it would still somewhat have the same effect that people are upset about but it's something no doubt
Yeah, but atleast it will somewhat add to the strategical aspect of the race. If a driver passes another while both using DRS then you can't complain saying that it's unfair. If a driver passes another because the defending driver used his DRS too aggressively then you can't really complain that it's unfair because the attacker used his DRS time better/more efficiently. I don't think it'll be a perfect solution: It may even be worse than the current system, who knows. Just throwing out an idea because why not haha
Firstly, credit where credit is due. Thank you for an in depth and informative video.
Lets not lose sight of the fact that F1 cars have had to deal with "dirty air' in the past, and there was plenty of skilled overtaking by drivers. Tyre strategy coupled with fuel loads made for great racing where the best characteristics per car per track could be utilised. Now that was great racing. Companies with deep pockets have confirmed over and over again that money equals technical progress and translates into dominance. DRS highlights that dominance. Let all cars run for 4 hours and record their best times, then invert the grid and let them race. Here is where DRS kicks in (and I am not seeing much reference to this.....) ....the race will end with the cars finishing as per their qualifying times set (last first and first last). Fastest starting last will finish first. With DRS there is no challenge. DRS has highlighted its greatest weakness, fastest cars will benefit. Also bear in mind that all developers will create a car that derives the greatest advantage from DRS. So now we focus on the word...overtaking and the answer will be: " FIA, we succeeded, overtaking is now prominent in F1"
Possible suggestions
Ballast weights (eg: 120kg per driver) will equalize the weight difference per vehicle (currently it has the fastest slim drivers, not fastest drivers), drivers are excluded due to weight disadvantage.
Reduce size of front wing, too many incidents of unnecessary damage because of huge nose (yes engineers will work around this, they always do.....go check)
Technology...my what a word!!! Yet there have been serious failures in fueling cars. Why not get that crucial racing element back into racing, fuelling. Offers so many variables that no team is safe. Currently, the fastest teams lap the slower cars within the first 15 laps, and the field is so spread out that 5 second penalties are a joke.
5 Sets of tyres to each race and let teams decide (coupled with fuel strategy) which works best. To those that talk about tyre wear, have you not heard comments of how some drivers look after their tyres in a race, consider that driver with a more aggressive tyre, lower fuel............too many variables that even the faster teams would have to take note of every team on the day.
In conclusion, get rid of DRS, let engineers work around the dirty air (as they always have), throw fueling into the mix (please, I only refer to absolute safe fueling technology and procedures, something that history will prove has been achieved) get back to a purer form of racing, otherwise, get rid of drivers and let the vehicles drive themselves. F1 fan enthusiast.....hmmmmmm I am not sure if I am any more...........Australian Super cars.....F1 go look and learn, that's what I call racing
V8 supercars is the best
Welcome back Sir! Waited for an upload this channel eagerly :)
I agree that DRS has become a necessary evil, but that DRS zones need tweaking. The original idea was to give the following car enough of a boost to "get alongside". I absolutely hate it when I see DRS "overtakes" that have been completeed before the end of the straight and the car even has the luxury to move back onto the racing line!
I also think that DRS should not be enabled during Qualifying. There's no need; its an overtaking aid, not a qualifying aid.
Problem with the last idea is that drag is proportional to speed, so the chasing car only gets an advantage towards the end of the straights.
Agree, it should go at least past the middle of the straight. First 2/3 of the straight would seem about right to allow a battle for the next corner without it.
DRS is the best option the sport has right now, but I hope an alternative will be found
Fan boost in f1. Lol
Ground effect is the best alternative
Can close wheeled f1 (like formula e) solve dirty air problem?
Ardi Januar it would definitely help. But remember the backlash from fans when the halo was introduced, covering the wheels would be 10 times worse.
@@aravindshivakumar5299 fan downforce only. Completely remove the problem.
Indycar has Push to Pass that can be used at anytime with a set time for use. It’s worked pretty well in the series
What about the opposite ?
Something that actually automatically generate more downforce during curves with a calculation based on speed, curve and distance of car in front, because anyway during the curve the downforce is way more important than power (which is rarely flatten out) to compensate for dirty air by simply increasing the average stable cornering speed to match the car in front.
Happy to see you back in action.
With the proposed 2021 regulations around ground effect, it would be cool to see extra floor tunnels able to be opened up to increase downforce if following a car closely, rather than DRS used to reduce drag on straights.
Result would be increasing performance in the corners before straights, allowing cars to close up, and have a more natural slipstream effect.
I really like the idea of an earlier shorter DRS zone. However it would add a level of complexity by needing a new system to trigger flap closure rather than a brake hydraulic pressure sensor such as they use currently. That said F1 is nothing if not complex so hopefully it could be implemented without too many glitches.
Edit: Great to see a new video from you. With so much going on at the start of the season it seemed like ages since you uploaded.
Im soo happy to see your videos again!!!!
Where did you went for such long time???
Missed your videos soo much !!!
He's back! Nice to hear you again Stuart!
What about a limited nuber of DRS uses? Like in DTM in a Race of 1h they have like 20+- Drs uses, when they within a sec of the leading car
How on earth have you manage to comment on this video two days in advance?
Or just a limited number of uses to overtake any given car. So if you are catching a competitor of equal strength, you might not want to deploy your DRS as soon as you are 0,995 sec behind them (well knowing that you will just close the gap a little quicker), but instead try to close up to let's say 0,5 sec with your pure speed and then use your DRS. Also 2 DRS cannot share one detection point. There are some tracks, where the overtake gets done on the first DRS straight and on the second one, instead of being able to fight back, the tailing car needs to look at an open DRS of the guy that just went past. (Montreal, looking at you here.)
The part of the video from 5:00 on wards applies to this as well.
@@lukasa7616 xD
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little advice as a new viewer: it would help to give a short 20 second explanation of the topic (in this case "what is drs?") so its easier to follow for people that tune in out of interest
One temporary solution I've wondered about is to change the gap when you can use DRS. At the moment it can be used at anything under 1 second, so if a driver's only one or two tenths behind at the detection point, they'll probably breeze past really quickly. How about making DRS available if the chasing car's, say, anything between 0.5 and 1.5 seconds behind?
That Bahrain race was one of the best races I’ve ever seen, hmm and without drs I don’t think any of those overtakes would have been possible. Without drs it would just be like the early 00s
Bede Young Except kimis overtake against the haas.
Was nothing wrong with the racing in 00 or the 90s, lots of hard wheel to wheel racing and the best overtake ever happened at spa 2000. Prefer that than the DRS easy overtakes we have now.
@@judgedeath3 the drivers complained back in the 90'/00 ' that the complex aerodynamics makes overtaking nearly impossible. I watched a review of the 1997 German GP and voila the commentators explaind the problem of following another car. I think the problem was already there, But no one cared, because engine Sound and pitstop strategics compromised that.
@@Styltus It has always been an issue, back in the 70s and 80s drivers complained about it, but they adapted to it due to the rules and same in early 2010s, now with drs they are still complaining. As long as a car is in front then you will have issues with catching up and overtake, part of the sport according to me. German grand prix of 1997 was good, some nice overtakes and some who couldnt due to that issue and blocking, japanese grand prix same year had tons of overtakes, irvine passing schumacher and villeneuve in the same corner. Pit stops back then was also more interesting, different fuel loads and tyre strategies and no limits for how many tires you want etc and different tire suppliers, all good :P
@@judgedeath3 The problem i see is that after a pitstop it seems to be impossible to have a big enough delta time to overtake (bad Tyres and to low allowed fuel usage.). If i looks Into the data of the last decades, 2008 and 2012 (sadly terrible looking cars) are outstanding seasons for me. 2008 were 9/10 teams on the podium, there was a close title fight and there was no DRS or KERS.
Really sharp video. I'm not the biggest fan of DRS but this is a great argument against its detractors.
How on earth have you manage to comment on this video two days in advance?
@@lukasa7616 It comes out early to Patreon supporters :-)
Super pretty animation, really increases the perceived quality of your videos.
I had an idea that DRS should have some form of 'blind spot' - in that you can use it as much as you like to get closer to the car in the position directly in front of you (so the driver in first can't use it, and back markers can't be taken advantage of), but when you're within, say, 0.5 seconds of that car, DRS is disallowed. Thus, DRS is used purely to *set up* this close racing.
I also believe that in quali you should be able to use DRS whenever you like - regarding your point about corners it shouldn't be used on, I believe cars are safe enough now for us to be able to leave the judgement to the drivers, and be able to enjoy the spectacle of a huge crash, knowing full-well the driver will be absolutely safe. I think that would make quali hugely exciting.
You literally just saved my day! Thank you and keep up your brilliant work! I hope you're better too
Scrape DRS and give the chasing car movable side skirts on corners. This would equal the downforce on corners and there would be the slipstream on the straights.
This is a great idea, whether or not it works in practice. Problem: dirty air causes chasing cars to be slower through corners. Whats the better solution, alow chasing car to be faster in the corners where they are losing time, or alow chasing car to be faster in the straights?
Idea:
Just watch f2 or touring cars so theres a bit of competition and excitement
Really enjoyed this video. Glad to see some more content. Hope you are feeling better now
It's good to see you back, Chain Bear!
Absolutely backed my thoughts. Another system I’d like is the drs being enabled for the straight prior to the longest straight, so to bring them in range, but the overtake is normal racing, ie DRS enabled going into the last corner at Bahrain, but is not available down the pit straight. But automatic de activation is an obvious change that must be made soon
APRIL FOOL'S! "DRS" isn't even a real thing! You're just trying to trick me because I know nothing about F1.
Bruh whut?
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What do you mean there's no DRS? It's clearly there. It opens up.
@@Man-ix5mc Aprils fool bro
That's frustratingly funny
Excellent explanation. Always easy to understand
Several years ago, Mario Andretti suggested a way to make better racing in F!. His concepy was to make the cars faster on the straights with less downforce and hence slower in the corners.
What about push-to-pass bear?
Also known as "Attack mode" on FE, it essentially gave the engine their quali trim mode or increase fuel flow of the car for limited of time. A nitrous boost on basic arcade games basically. The draft from dirty air creates bigger slipstream, and with the push to pass it could do a massive drag race towards the straight.
Regardless of the opinions, awesome video as always ChainBear, well written and explained.
Best way, in my opinion, is to give a greater DRS time limit per lap in conjunction with a drivers position in the race. For instance the lead car gets 5 sec per lap, 2nd gets 6 sec, 3rd gets 7 sec, and so on and so forth. Of course the times would have to be different that what I put but, you get the point.
A different approach: as part of the series spec, add a test of turbulence at a distance of 20' behind the car. Basically require the cars to condition the trailing air flow. Then the trailing car won't have the dirty air issue.
Great video Stuart, I will add that the car in dirty air over utilize their tires to try to stay in touch by pushing them harder whish is also a disadvantage. Aero is great but is also bad. DRS is still technology, something F1 is about and is the best solution for the problem at hand at the moment I agree.
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They could put a system in place from the dtm. Where you get limited use of Drs, standard rules apply for when and where you can use it. You get three uses a lap, and say 24 uses in total across the race. Then in the final few laps, you can use any remaining Drs charges in the zones regardless of if you're within the one second time zone from the car in front. This would make for exciting racing by tracking how much Drs a driver has left, and such. As well as making the final 5 laps or so very exciting. As first and second May not have any Drs left from battling all race, so third can use all his charges and catch up. It makes for exciting racing in dtm, however that's hard top and very a different racing series
Holy shit! It's a chainbear video!
If the dirty air is the underlying problem, then why don't the rules specify an/the outcome (cleaner air off the back of the car, testable using the same methods as the teams during testing) rather than attempting to force that outcome through a myriad of size and shape regulations?
Because it would be incredibly hard to test this every race weekend. You can't just use a measuring tape to ensure no-one was breaking the rules. You'd have to measure every single car in a wind tunnel multiple times every weekend. If you didn't you'd just be trusting the teams not to break the rules which I cannot see going very well.
@@SirSupaa False. There's already plenty of regulations for which only a few cars are randomly tested, and only under parc ferme (race) conditions. Like drug testing in other sports/the Olympics. And like all such regulations, you just have to make the consequences of getting caught sufficient that teams are extremely reluctant to try anything.
@@jay2xdam ok, so the idea would be to install a wind tunnel in every circuit..on the pits, and stop a ramdom car, put it on the facility, prepare the car, start the fan, and make a full test on air flow....all this while the sesión is happening (like they do it now)...that doesnt sound very lógic, or posible, or fair.
@@nicolasgarcia248 no, call in a car, install a Kiel array, have it do a couple representative laps, take it off, let it go.
Im a real recent F1 fan but correct me if im wrong... I read some rules about DRS and you aren't always allowed to use it. You need to have a 1s only gap to be able to use it and a few more rules that I honestly didn't keep in my mind.
Seems like a good system until a better one comes out
6:06 You could allow more DRS for worse positions, a. e. P1 gets no DRS P2 gets 3 seconds per lap, P3 5 secs, P5 9 secs, P10 19 and P20 29.
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Why not allow DRS to be used when within a specified window. For example between 2 and .5 seconds of the next car, so you can use DRS to get close, but not to pass the car. DRS would then be used to set up a move, and get the cars close, but the overtake wouldn’t be artificial as you could not use DRS to complete the pass.
Some ideas:
-drs for everyone, everytime, except for the first.
-drs time per lap, but the amount of time is proportional to your position. 20th place has full drs time, while first has none.
-3s activation zone. Dirt air zone is only 1s behind? Let help to get closer in less time.
Or if 3 is too much, 2,or 1.5
Indycar has a system called "Push to Pass." They have a limited amount of time in a race to give themselves an extra horsepower boost, sort of like Formula E. They get about 60 bonus hp that they can use for x amount of time during a race at any point on the track
I think a good idea would be to put the drs zones on shorter straights instead of the longer straights. This'll mean that the cars will stay close without artificial before the breaking zone overtakes. Also certain straights don't seem to need drs like the one at Paul Ricard or the kemmle straight at spa. I'm not sure how well it would work but I'm yet to come up with too many downsides
The best solution would be to find a way to objectively quantify the amount of dirty air a car leaves in it's wake and then regulate that. Though I suppose if that were easy and practical it'd have been done and DRS wouldn't be needed at all.
There are only 2 ways to solve the lack of overtaking problem.
1. Ground effect cars.
2. Tracks where it's possible to take more than one line into and out of a corner.
Yep.
Ok hear me out, what if we took drs, and instead of making it reduce drag/downforce in straights, we make it increase downforce in corners for the car behind, this would level out them in corners (by making their downforce levels similar via DBS (downforce boost system) and also make both cars faster and always equal in the straights due to reduced drag in standard drag configuration, so instead of rear wing opening in drs, it closes in dbs
Another suggestion, they should make the tracks wider. That way the drivers could try to avoid the worse areas of vortices by trying different lines. Heck, make multi apexes turns so that multiple lines could be taken and aerodynamics turbulences practical effects diminished.
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Moving DRS zone earlier in the straight and making it automatically shut half way down the straight, this might be a brilliant idea, would love to see that tested.
You know what they should do? When a car catches up enough to the car in front mostly 1 second ( like in drs) and then should make the car in front open up the drs through the corners so that there is almost equal amount of downforce loss in both cars. This may not be a good idea but i to think it's awesome.
Nooooo, picture this, you are making a corner at 250 km/h and your drs opens by it self...no downforce and a huge oversteer (while cornering).. you Will probably crash against a barrier
Alternate proposal: allow any and all aerodynamics including active. create a rule that regulates aerodynamic turbulence 1 meter behind the vehicle. Thus making it a requirement for cars to clan up the air they traveled through before the next car gets to it.
It could be permanent. Look at KERS which is now an all time use system that the driver controls as the car needs it (ERS). KERS was a timed, lap by lap charge that couple be used whenever but only for a set time. So maybe when the dirty air is solved DRS will stay but in a different role.
I thought when most people suggest being able to use DRS everywhere, it's still a suggestion for only chasing cars 1 second (or a similar time gap) behind? I think this would be the best and "least artificial" way. It could allow exciting passing and re-passing, and would prevent any of the issues around drivers waiting for a DRS zone, as essentially everywhere would become a DRS zone. Drivers could simply have a light on their steering wheel that lights up when they are within the 1 second window, and the existing timing matrix could probably be used - although it may need improvement for accuracy, especially for accuracy in close battles with passing and re-passing. There is nothing worse than when someone gets by another driver and then still gets the benefit of DRS to prevent the guy he has just passed from having any chance at immediately counter attacking.
You should take a look to the DTM racing series. As far as I know, they applied the DRS, only allowed for xx laps per race.
What if we had 2 types of DRS zones? 1 long DRS zone for the chasing car that starts at the exit of a corner, and 1 short DRS zone for the leading car that starts around the middle of the straight? So once the chasing car catches up, the leading car gets a little boost to make them equal.
I actually like DRS. At least for me when I play F1 games, I find it satisfying to pass someone with DRS, especially when I have to go on the inside and brake late.
This is hopefully where the 2022 rework of the cars will shine the most.
The new type will have 5 times less dirty air, meaning closer racing can be achieved in the corners.
How about placing a sensor on cars to detect "dirty air," which will then automatically activate DRS, KERS, or some other speed-boosting system? Basically, it would be like the "drafting" speed boost implemented in some videogames, and directly compensate for dirty air drag as it's experienced by the cars rather than a more arbitrary system of providing advantage.
Here is the solution: Make them all "Brabham Fan Cars" with sideskirts.
This way each car would be mostly relying on ground effect for its downforce, which isn't nearly as negatively influenced by turbulent air as wings are. In order to keep cornering speeds from becoming too dangerous, the FIA could mandate that each sideskirt must have "X" number of vertical slots (of a predetermined height and width) cut into it's entire length in order to bleed air out from underneath the car.
Hell, forget the fan altogether and just let the teams have the above mentioned vented sideskirts and a larger diffuser. The whole point is to stop the teams from relying on wings for downforce and focus more on other areas that don't suffer as badly from turbulent air. This way we still get fast laps, but we also regain the ability for cars to follow each other closer.
A solution could be you can only use Drs a limited number of times which could be anywhere from on 30-40 times in a fifty lap race. You could use it anytime unless your in the lead or their is a car within 2 seconds behind you.
A noteworthy problem with this video is that for beginner F1 fans like myself it would be great to get a very brief explanation of what DRS a little earlier. Otherwise very good content and visuals on this video and all others ive seen so far
maybe it would be interesting to try variable DRS zones. You have DRS from the exit of the corner until your nose is at the front car's tail. From then on you are at a position to slip stream and simulate a "normal" overtake. Less powerful cars will enjoy longer DRS zones than leading cars and maybe they could also challenge the front-runners for longer on race starts....this would make DRS car specific rather than track specific.
We could also allow DRS as a defensive (i.e using DRS while being overtaken) measure for teams r.g. below third position in the championship etc...This could maybe close the gap between midfield and front-runners leading to more interesting racing...
What about doing it more like Indycar, where you can use the system (push to pass in their case) anytime on the track but for a limited time throughout the whole race, not just per lap, so they'd have to strategically activate it throughout the race and not just between laps, this would create a much larger variety of when drivers activate it. (I hope this can be easily understood)
Great video and I agree with your points, but I hate this bandaid approach. F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle of tech so why are there not better forms of rules than the "shape of the car".
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There may be better ways but I believe the best solution would be that aero design could be less restricted physically, but have a strict 'air stability test' around the car in a wind tunnel. The rule would state that airflow measured behind the car and to the rear quarters at x meters must be below a threshold compared to the tunnel's airspeed. Maybe even randomise the points that the airspeed is measured to keep teams honest?
I imagine it's very difficult to quantify turbulence as it affects F1 aero, and teams may well deliberately craft their aero to disturb specific aero configurations
The other thing with dirty air is surely the teams would want as much dirty air as possible so people can’t follow them well
After the start and after restarts we also have overtakes with no DRS. It's really no excuse.
Apart from that, allowing DRS anywhere and anytime can for sure make a difference to the chasing car. There are some cars that are better through fast corners than others and some will be able to open the DRS earlier, even while they're in dirty air. Also drivers won't take all the risk all the time and the chasing driver can take a chance or two.
A serious April fools' video? Wut .w.
Well, obviously the solution is to carry rockets on top of the car so you can increase downforce without aerodynamics involved... The most kerbal way ever...
Now seriously... Couldn't it be a thing to use drs in reverse? Give the car behind an active boost in downforce by adding a wing that goes down instead of up? That way instead of giving back the disadvantage at another time, the disadvantage could be avoided altogether... I know that because of the unpredictability of dirty air this may be difficult but I believe it could be done
That wouldn't work because you need the downforce in the corners; not in the straights (which is where the DRS zones are)
@@skyscall Why not? Rockets pushing the cars downwards in corners only :)
I wish your example at 1:15 showed what the air is actually doing: a massive amount of air is being blown upwards by the front and rear wings to make the downforce. intact its an amount of air in weight equal to the downforce.
I would definitely agree with the sentiment that, having the DRS close well before the braking zone would be a much better solution as this year so far, a lot of the DRS "assisted" overtakes are done before the braking zone and for the most part, DRS has missed the mark of what it was supposed to achieve, that being, closing the gap, rather it just gifts a free overtake.
I like the idea of a race where just being behind a car for a certain duration obliges the leading car to let the chaser past on certain points of a track. The road width is barely wider than the cars racing, So no overtaking is possible unless conditions are met.
Id call it tactical racing if that term does not exist.
Your airflow animations are like leaps and bounds ahead of Autosport (if they have any, mostly fat guys). Looked like it was drawn by a kid and was incorrect too lol. Awesome upload once again!
i've always thought that drs should only be used to keep cars close to each other and not be used for overtaking
meaning if gaps are too much between cars they should be allowed to use it as much as they want but not allowed for overtaking
and if slipstream is well effective then there's completely no use of drs during overtaking but can still be used to keep cars packed
less likelihood of having lapped cars and smaller teams may have a higher chance of getting points when cars in the front make mistakes
I would be okay with a spec front wing and restricted bargeboards. They also need to put a lot more emphasis on ground effect aero, as that's a far cleaner downforce than wings.
the problem is that teams design the cars to be as fast as possible in a quali trim not race trim. So in the wind tunnel they will only use nice laminar flow hitting the car. FOM should be force teams to design cars around the concept of racing each other not outright lap times
Very good video, congrats!
If my memory serves me well, the dirty air effect is only prominent when the performance of the two cars are quite similar (for instance last year it was within a delta of 2s). So I think that if we have two cars of a similar baseline performance but that can have a performance delta of more than 1.5s at cenrtain points of the race, close racing can be a thing even with dirty air. And I fell that this performance delta can come from the tyres having a performance difference of more than 1s between each compound. Moreover, this means that the tyre deg will be even greater on the softer tyres resulting in races with more pitstops and possibly more varied strategies. For instance, why not force every driver to use every compound in every race. In my opinion this could be a possible solution to have closer racing. Along with a return of the ground effect, which I believe does not create as much wake for the following car.
great video once again, cant wait for the next one
As with KERS limited use of DRS may actually be a good idea. I don't think there would be an "optimum strategy" when drivers are battling each other rather than chasing the best lap time possible. However, I do like the idea of moving DRS zones towards the beginning of the straights. I don't know why the DRS zones always have to be at the end of the straight.
Idea - unrestricted DRS, but limited DRS time per race (and not per lap)
Yes, this could give huge advantage to the leading car, using all its DRS in the beggining, but might give away the edge during late race.
Also - maybe more DRS time the further back you are?
I had always hoped that DRS was a mean to emulate slipstream to the effect we used to have, but unfortunately they keep taking it more and more in the direction of "push to pass", and that in the most unfair way out of all such systems.
Hey ChainBear, could you do a video on Suction Fans (Ground Effect) please; why they are no longer used in F1 (Brabham BT46) and why they can't be used to generate extra down force to compensate for dirty air?
I don't follow F1, but am very interested. A quick description of DRS or at least defining it would be helpful.
DRS stands for Drag Reduction System. In F1 drivers will be allowed to use it if they are a second or closer behind another driver on a straight. What DRS does, is that it opens the rear wing wich makes the car faster on the straight due to having less drag caused by downforce.
hope that helps
TotalLunatic thanks, it makes the video a lot easier to understand.
Chainbear please do a video on race tracks maybe explaining features of a track, what's needed to build an fia grade 1 circuit or rating the best race track
I like your short term Drs fix and long term driver controlled active aero if there's standardized aero
I would vote for the second option but the limit of DRS is based on where you are that Lap and at the start of each lap it changes per driver
Chain bear
Can you PLEASE do a video on all the different set up changes that F1 teams will try during Free Practice sessions. Aero, Suspension, Alignment, Engine mapping, cooling, gear rations.
Please Please Please, Im an F1 geek and I just love to know what the teams do to set the car up for a particular circuit
The main issue with DRS is explaining it to fans when aerodynamics, which are a HUGE component to modern F1, are invisible. If there was some way to accurately measure downforce in real time and put a gauge on the screen for the TV viewers then they could see in real time and in replays the simple truth; that is if you are only .5 sec ahead of someone in a modern in F1 then in fact you are the slower car. Anyone who can get within .5 of you in dirty air is faster. The DRS is a blue flag system, honestly. Its also the thin end of the wedge of CPU controlled movable aero which I think we'll see lots more of in the future.