I Built My Perfect eBike, Custom 2022 Trek Rail 9.8
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.ค. 2024
- Based around a 2022 Trek Rail 9.8 XT with the Bosch Smart 750 System, 165mm Rear Travel, 170mm Fork, 63.5 Degree Head Angle, Enduro Based Geometry.
== Specs ==
2022 Trek Rail 9.8 XT, Size L
Bosch Smart 750Wh Battery
Fox Factory 170mm Ebike Tuned
Ohlins TTX 22M 230 x 62.5
EXT 500lb Spring
DT Swiss HXC 1501 Wheelset
Burgtec 50mm Ride High Bars, Cut To 780mm
Burgtec 50mm Stem
DMR Deathgrip Flangeless Grips
160mm E*13 Crank Arms
Bike Yoke Revive MAX Dropper 213mm Drop
Maxxis Shorty V2, 2.4 DD, MaxxGrip Front
Maxxis DHRII, 2.4 DD, MaxxTerra Rear
Peatys Valves & Tubeless Sealant
RideWrap Kit Full Tailored Protection
OneUp EDC Tool Lite
OneUp Flat Aluminium Pedals
Weight: 24.7 KG in this spec
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170mm Fork, 165mm Travel, 750 Battery, 63.5 Head Angle, Full 29er, 24.7 KG in this build. Rides real good, rips!!
Killer mods ! What is the length of the ohlins shock? 230x62.5? I have a push 11-6 that Is 230x57.5 might increase the stroke and whack it in when I get one
This is not critique, I'm just wondering why you felt like mentioning the HTA in this comment, but not any other parts of the geometry? Why mention only one that doesn't mean anything on it's own? Nice video.
I watched a video form Mtb Telly and he doesn't like the Zeb. Weird.
She's gorgeous
Looks great but that lump of a dash box sticking out from the top tube is a joke! looks like you could knock it off if you took the stem spacers out! Come on Trek that's unacceptable and basic bad design.
in one of his videos, Steve of Vorsprung Suspension mentioned handlebar height and fork dive. he said everyone wants to use full travel, but everyone also wants lots of mid stroke support. he said people sometimes perceive lack of mid stroke for having a bar height that is set too low for descending. you can't have a long travel enduro bike with a bar height that's perfect for climbing (nice and low) and then perfect for steep descending. this requires a bar height that allows you to ride high and push down forcefully and extend your arms without getting yanked too far forward. which is essentially what Rob is saying here.
Makes sense!
A very long chainstay and a very high handlebar is the way to go in my opinion. It's a shame that there aren't many options for this sort of bike on the market, though.
I already have a 40mm high bar - but you know what? I'm gonna put it higher :) But my bike doesn't have that much stack to begin with... 595mm with 458 mm reach.
As I sit in my house watching this Rob I'm blown away at the Quality of that bike!!! ive been a ebiker for twenty years I've never owned anything like this!!! I appreciate you can afford this bike but if I had just the Fox forks I'd cry!! You are so lucky mate!! I guess I'm jealous! If it was mine I'd just sit and stare at it!! How sad am i!!ha ha brilliant video Rob!!
What a great bike Rob, nice job! For me, this bike has it all... Bosch motor, 750wh battery, XT brakes & drive train, and Fox factory 38! You will have an absolute blast this summer on this! 👍 Please keep us informed with some riding reports....
That's a real kickass bike Rob! I just put the same fork on my Rail and it's a game changer! Rob, your videos are the best! Thanks for making them!
I have a 50mm rise VibraCore bar from Spank, and it's made a huge difference in handling the bike. I really like the Trek build, nice setup!
how does the bike ride uphill with the rise?
would like to sit a little more upright (herniated discs in the cervical vertebrae) but not lose performance uphill
Thanks for sharing your ultimate build Rob, bike looks absolutely banging, love the coil, I'm really keen to try one on my Rail when money allows 🤟👍
Thanks for your great work Robert, great contents and superb build on your RAIL. Looking forward to more videos!
For me this has got to be the ultimate Ebike , great work Rob I agree with everything you have done and said here
This is absolutely why I subscribe….. this is great content…. Exactly what I’m doing exactly the same project… but different bike….. … then spec it up ….. your trek rail is 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻…. Great bike rob
Great content👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Welcome to the high handlebars club. 60 rise by 800mm for me. It helps pop with the longer chainstay...still climbs well with a little more lean foward technique 👍
Beautiful bike, superb quality and attention to detail with upgrades. I like it a lot!
Beautiful bike!
Love the suspension setup...hope to see a review soon
👊👊👊
Sick looking bike my man 👌🏾. Love those high rise handlebars. Fits perfectly on that bike. ✌🏾
Bang on! Started with MTB -94 been using 50mm Riser bars in every Bike sins! Had the Coil on my Stinky Deelux back in -99 and yes it was FANTASTIC miss that, and the XT is the Best in both brakes and Gears,so yes Man you are Riding THE DREAM 😍
Beautiful bike, I see many happy hours of riding on the new steed.
Thanks for sharing this man 😊👍, such a big help that you have the opportunity to try so many bikes and share your experiences with us, so that we can use them as a idea/start point for upgrades. I upgraded the same after I saw your video, 170 /160 same as the bike comes with, just longer as Trek Slash use and Burgtec 50. Such a lovely bike has become. Sad that Trek doesn't let us choose travel suspension when we order 😔. Not everyone needs shorter travel suspension and of course not everyone needs longer either.
I like everything about your build. Soo nice. Great platform to start with too. Proper bar height is where its at. Lots of time on the climbs to bend your elbows and adjust and you dont hVe that luxury of time to adjust on the downs. Coil for sure etc etc. Mirrors alot of my own specs. So much so i may have to give carbon wheels another try. Definitely get that ebike damper for the 38. I was going to get a luftkappe for my 38 but i think ill try that damper first.
Interesting Rob. I've pretty much done the same thing but bought it all ready to go in the form of the 2022 Crafty Carbon XR. The only difference is, I've come down in travel from a 2020 180mm Level RR with Coil to this 150/170 running Ohlins Air each end. I'm just preying the Ohlins DH air shock can get me close to a Coil feel
Rob your steed is looking goooooooood❤️😁👌🇬🇧. Nice to see you again💪💕👍
Definitely going with some of those DT Swiss HYBRID hubs! I would say that a proper dedicated eMTB Wheelset is the most important thing on an eMTB. Proper hubs with beefy bearings, steel freehub body, hardcore rims... Learned this the hard way: already cracked a set of carbon wheels not-so-eMTB suited I guess.
Stunning bike Rob, and another pin sharp film to accompany it. I also went for high rise bars (Mounty trailfinders 74mm rise) around 3-4 months ago on My Haibike AllMntn, I really think they will catch on... especially now!
Daron
Good idea about the short crank arms and the micro thin flat pedals.
Looks awesome 👌 I bet it is a blast to ride.
Rob, nice job! I've been following you for years now, right from your first videos which helped me pull the trigger on my Levo Comp.... I have three other Treks so this was a break from what I’d been riding. I had demo’d several EMTBs and that year Trek wasn’t even close to the Levo IMO. Specialized was leading the pack and really made many breakthroughs, I consider the purchase one of the best investments I’ve ever made. Last fall the motor failed and fortunately Specialized warrantied it. Unfortunately, my local shop went all Trek and the new shop I’m dealing with just doesn’t stack up, or maybe my other shop just spoils me. With the age and service challenges matched with my prior shop converting to Trek I was considering an upgrade to the Rail.. Today I decided to do some research, low and behold my good virtual EMTB consultant Rob had gone that way… So here’s where I’d love you’re input. My take on Specialized being way ahead of the game seems to be confirmed as I do my research. I have the same model Levo as you were riding, and it appears to me the new Trek has many features that are in line with what I already have. Like you I’m not a fan of that control system either. I love the minimalist approach on the Levo and the software seems to have more features and functionality than what I’m even seeing you and others demo on the Trek. Especially with a brand-new motor installed is there even a a good case for the upgrade? If so what is it in your opinion? Thanks ahead of any response really appreciate you input.
BTW that build is sweet
Just needs a coil spring kit in the fork and it would be perfect , great looking bike and super informative vid, cheers Rob
Great looking bike, well thought out changes, giving me that new bike itch
I got the same this past weekend and I’m totally addicted. Coming from Brose, Shimano and TQ and different brands I have to say that Trek has nailed in this model not only on factory specs but geometry wise and more than anything the Bosh motor is the most powerful overall. Reliability is the name of the game and this time I’m confident that I made the best choice. Great video Rob.
Glad to see Im not the only one that has OCD around lining up the tyre logo's and wheel logo's lol. awesome bike Rob.
Nice!!!
Lookin epic Rob 👍🏿
If you like the feel of the XT shifter, you'd love the Saint. They are different, and I am not sure which feel I prefer actually, but the performance of the Saint drivetrain is just unbelievable.
The only thing missing are hard wired lights for epic night rides! Supernova M99 maybe?
Fantastic build! Enjoy!
This is very beautiful looking bike,love IT
Lovely bike Rob. I did a similar bar/Stem set up with my Allmtn7. Renthal 60mm stem sandwiched between spacers with the 6 degrees downwards and a 40mm fat bar - works a treat for me @ 6ft 3 on an XL frame - Just feels a bit more spacious :-) Enjoy the bike!
I think these Rail are well deserved these upgrades. Got a Rail 9.7 2021 upgraded brakes and cassette etc. This was my very first eBike experience ! Had a previous experience with Enduro motorbike ;)
I have the same bike except for my personal customizations which include removing the seat and replacing the seat post with a 13 inch rambone that I keep lubed for active plugging. Its great for bumby rides.
Sweet bike Rob! I am 6'2" and have 31 inch inseam, I run 80 mm dirt jumper bars. Yes I get alot of hell, but they work best for me.
Looks well nice Rob 👍
Thanks for sharing the specs/ build out. Mine is supposed to show up on 4/4 :)
Awesome bike and upgrades! Black and red combo is one of the best! I really need a riser bar too, I like to sit high when on flat and uphill, and my original flat bar is too far low then for my taste
I'm waiting on the mondraker crafty XR coming, I've never tried a coil but might try the 1 your using
looks sweet!
Beast of a Bike.
Sick bike.
Another great vid Rob! I am presently riding a 2020 XL Rocky Instinct on the west coast of Canada 🇨🇦. I love the way it rides and especially climbs compared to my old Giant Reign 1, but having turned 57 this year, I plan to join my wife on the shift to eMTB. My wife rides a Turbo Levo SL Comp Carbon, which is a great bike. I would possibly follow her and get the same bike, but feel the 320 kWh battery is too small to carry my 6'1" 210lb self up much elevation. I like a chuckable bike and also feel I could use some e-assist going forward, so to me it came down to the Spesh Levo (or Kenevo for the extra travel) SL or the Orbea Rise H series. But then, my brother-in-law just got a 2022 Rail 7 and it is sweet, but feels heavy, like really heavy compared to my Instinct! I like the price point of the 2022 Rail 9.7, and would upgrade as I break or wear out components except for changing the saddle and brakes right out of the gate.
What I found really interesting in this video is that you are 6'3" and still went with a large by changing out the stem and bars. When I rode my brother-in-laws Rail in large, the cockpit felt a bit cramped and with the seat post up at, or maybe just above the stem height, my legs couldn't get full climbing extension. Can you explain more on how the size of your Rail is working out for you.
Does anyone else here ride a Rail and are also right on the fence, height-wise, between frame sizes? How did you make it work? Any insight would be appreciated. Cheers!
Great video as always Rob. Really love what you do. Did you notice any loss of "poppyness" in the change from air to coil on the Rail. Contemplating doing the same on my 2020 9.8.
Wow 🤩 I buy it Rob ! Love it
Sounds like you were looking for a Pole Voima. 😉 Bosch 750 with 190/190 travel for less money. Hoping you’ll get a chance to review the Voima and see how it compares with your custom Trek Rail. I’m sure both are incredible bikes!
bike looks mint
Wow, this is truely a dream build. would be interested in what the total RRP would be on this ;)
One small thing to add to this that TRANSFORMS the ride and feel (even more than the coil does) - Tyre Inserts! Something like RimPac Pro, that I think are the best compromise.
Great review and explanation! And you are spot on with XT drivetrain and brakes...buttery smooth!
BTW, what is your RAD since you went to a smaller frame?
Looks great Rob, just get a heat gun and clean up those fork decals. The bubbles and loose edges really make it look like a home job.
I know 🥲🥲🥲
The perfect bike in my eyes. Nice job. Every time I see your videos on this it reminds me that I rushed in and bought the wrong bike (first world problem). Having said that, I definitely prefer aluminum so as soon as they release the alloy frame with Smart system and 750 I’m ordering. I already have a Rail with 170mm fork and it has never left me wanting. I love the increased stroke on the rear. Come on Trek with the alloy. I also wish they and more other manufacturers would do a frame only option. That way we don’t all need to have spare forks and shocks lying around. Keep up the awesome videos.
4:03 Pretty sure that is where a fox fork bottoms out Rob, it bottoms out at the writing on the fork.
That is a pretty amazing build alright. I have a 21 9.7 and with my long arms it felt a little tight. Although one bike shop told me not to I put a longer 80 mm stem on it and love it now. Would really like to explore that power adjustment on the new top of the line Rails as the top level assist on the Bosch motor feels pretty unusable in the technical stuff for me at least. Yeah that controller is ugly on both years. Not sure which is worse and makes me want to go with Specialized just to have that part done right.
I think the 160mm crank arms was a good idea. I am thinking about doing the same thing.
Looks nice Rob come down to the FOD off piste and give it a proper ride.
Awesome vid as always … good stuff! Got a question you may can help me with. I want to charge my bar mounted GoPro from my Rail 9.7 computer. At the lower end of the display unit there is a tiny oddly shaped port that I can not find a cable to fit. Any ideas where I may find that cable??
May be an idea for next video!
I agree XT brakes are a fantastic set, but coming from two previous bikes equipped with Saint I feel I had a little downgrade. Not sure if the difference is too small for changing the XTs...
love the rusty file bud..quality and so real life mate
Hehe! Keep meaning to replace it but still works so no point!!
I'll have the Zebbs $50
Got to love a fellow rider that can find a Xtra few mm out of there frames suspension.
Yer boy!!
I definitely need to think about raising the bar on my bike. 😏
Hey Rob, great channel and thanks for all your EMTB content, love it and your new podcast 👍👍 Looking at getting a Gen 4 Trek Rail 9.8. Guidance on size would be great as you went for Large. I am 193cm/35inch inseam, but longer arms with a span of 198cm. Thanks in advance
Another great video Rob. Send us your old forks so I can fit them on my 5 and I’ll give mine away too. Tee hee
Hey Rob, great Video, awesome Bike.
Could you please tell me all the pieces I need to fit it in my Rail 7 2021 for the öhlins ttx you have? thank you so much
Sweet bike !!!
Is it possible to do a mullet set up on this one ?
Could you list all EMTB factory mullet set up available on the marquet ?
Looks like a sweet build mate surprised that u didnt go with the xl frame and run a 32mm stem and a shorter offset fork i,m 188cm and it really works for me each to there own i guess the only thing i woukd change on your bike is xtr shifters and brake levers are way way nicer with bearings rather than plastic bushing like xt they last way longer and are a lighter action on the fingers.
Are you running any kind of tyre insert ? Enjoy your ride .
Hi Rob. Really enjoy the show. I was wondering what your thoughts of trying to mullet the Rail. I've got a Rail 7.
Sick bike Rob. Just with your ‘wish’ for electronic shifting, I have just put the SRAM GX AXS onto my XTR cassette on my Merida e-160 (with a 180 fork upgrade 😉). Now, I used to think my XTR was smooth, but WOW! The AXS on the Shimano…. LIKE BUTTER! You should seriously consider it!
Thanks for all of your videos. ✌️
That's a great idea!
@@RobRidesEMTB Can’t wait to see the video on that! ✌️
I've been running AXS on my full XT bike with zero problems.
@@jeffp5418 Nice one Jeff! It is a sweet combo in my opinion. I have heard some people say that the gear changes are louder than the normal XT/XTR, but I have found it is whisper quiet! Yes I am spoilt, but I will never go back!
Hi rob, could you explain rationale around 2.4 tyres in a bit more detail? I am getting a reign e soon and was thinking about doing the same as i am short and hoping smaller width will help with cornering a big bike. Thanks!
Have you tried to see if the seat hits the rear tyre (Fully dropped) ,when it goes through full travel, now that you have extended the travel?
Mondraker Level is all that out off the box ;-)
Awesome bike Rob. What is the reason you went with the EXT spring on the Ohlins? I'm considering putting a coil shock on my Merida e-160. Any thoughts on that? Cheers
When i see a query with somebody asking if they can alter rear suspension travel i advise them not to mess with it.
Can you tell me the positives and any negatives you have noticed please? Did trek give you any advice in this matter?
great video, could provide a link to the fork stanchion supplier?
That fox fork probably bottomed out becsuse fox doesn't use all the "available" travel. It does always left that 1 cm. The stanchions are just longer than 170 mm
It does, because I've fully bottomed it out now 👊
couldn't keep my stem tool / headset tight on the Fox 38 - something to do with the e bike 38 taper. Was always coming loose
Hello, huge fan.. what is the brand name of the spring with your coil… looking to do the same setup on my new 2022 Rail….should have in a few weeks.
lush
What’s the cost please including bike. Thanks. Love the set up
Mate I’m digging the bike, off topic here but can you shed some light on your choice to move away from the levo gen 3 and onto the trek?
What exact ohlins did you go with? I have ordered this bike and I am looking to turn into a enduro as I live in Colorado
How much clearance did you have between the seat-stay and rear triangle after increasing the shock stroke from 57.5 to 65mm on the size large? I am thinking of just removing the travel restriction spacer in the superdelux as the IFP depth is quoted as the same between 57.5 to 65 mm stroke with the metric shocks.
I’ve got 2021 9.8xt, bog standard spec and I absolutely love it . I’m constantly amazed at the “stuff” It’ll just travel over. However unfortunately beside really bugging me, it’s becoming the focus of ridicule within the groups that I ride with as I’ve got huge problems with the chain jumping off the the front chainring, as well as variable shifting problems. I’m constantly at it and my local bike shop where I purchased the bike from has had several goes at it, as well as changing the derailleur hanger they’ve replaced the chain but there’s still an issue. To be honest it gets really annoying when people describe the XT drive train as superb as that’s anything but my experience. I’ve notice you’ve kept the standard chain guide, have you had any similar issues yet ?
Same bike here - stock front chainring was the culprit for me. No visible signs of an issue, but the replacement version was milled vs. stamped. Might be worth a look.
hi Rob! great bike! how did you mount the 230x62.5 rear shock? Doesn't the original fit 230x57.5?
Any reason why you didnt choose emtb that was ready made and designed for longer travel, like Pole Voima?
Will this work on my 2021 9.8 Rail ? and if so can you give me the info on the shock and do Fox have a coil that will work as well ? Thanks in advance for the info
What is the actual shock size from ohlin? Want to install one on my 2021 rail 9.8
Hi Rob. 1.8 to 1.5 crown reducer for this bike, can you please advise where to buy correct one for Rail 9.8 XT 2022. ACROS 51.02.012 AM (recommended on forum) does not fit unfortunately. Many thanks for your help.🙂
Could you build something like this with a rail 5 as a starting point ? i can only find 500 and 625 battery versions. can that be upgraded to 750 ?
What brakes were on there?
The only things is dislike are the tubeless valves :) Other than that the bike has to be one of the best looking ones ever.
They are the best valves on the market. You're just not intelligent enough to know this
yeah shut up, i just dislike the fucking colour, i have them myself
Rob is the axle to crown measurement of the Fox 38 @ 170mm the same as a Zeb set @ 170mm? BTW great vids keep ‘‘em coming!
It’s slightly less - about 3-4 mm less if I remember
Great job Rob! Did you get rid of the knockblock Trek feature with this new setup?
Yes, totally deleted the knock block! Here's how: www.emtbforums.com/community/threads/2022-bosch-smart-750-trek-rail-thread.26733/post-376633
Hya Rob been watching few of your videos on the track bike priced £12.000.00 it's a nice bike just seen you put something I the handle bar tube what is it ???
Hi Rob just got my dreambike last weak Kenevo SL and want update the pedals for now, what are those u have on your trek rail? Look really good for me too! Thanks
Hi Pedro - OneUp Pedals 👊
hello I have just bought a 9.8 2022 rail in size L, I am 187 cm tall, and I would like to change telescopic because the original 170 remains too high. do you know if you can fit a 200 and which brand? thank you for your videos luckily I didn't get the bike in size xl!
Did you size down for the reach. I am cramped on a medium and feel a large is big but comfy on the old geometry?
When will you upload your video on the Kelly emb?
Hey Rob. What a RAD set up. Green with envy for some of those upgrades.
You must have done quite a bit of riding now on this particular bike and the XL version you reviewed a while back. Have you experienced the battery rattle issues that a certain German ebike magazine has been very critical about recently?? I have one of these bikes on order and this issue is very worrying. Cheers. Andrew
It’s a total non issue. Battery can be adjusted from the lower battery mount, 2 minute job. Surprised they didn’t do it to be honest - maybe they had another fault? Mines super silent, as is my mates. Slight rattle from Bosch motor but that’s it.
@@RobRidesEMTB brilliant Rob. Thanks for the amazingly quick response…..really appreciated mate. Yeah, if that’s the case, it makes one wonder why they did not do that or why Trek did not sort this out for them given it doesn’t make a good read. Very puzzling. Anyway, your experience is very reassuring. Mega thanks. Andrew