Very good Sam Shamoun , l’m glad for you. You are a beautiful men of God. Your are defending the Trinity witch l believe all my life. I pray for You that the Lord give you wisdom and understanding from the Bible.
Trinitarianism is wrong. I can go through all the Scriptures and prove it. Sam is wrong. And I think you Trinitarians know how much you twist Scripture. Because you do it. And you have to use man made terms to describe your doctrine. And that's why we're still debating this. Because you guys are wrong. Maybe the Oneness people out there don't have it all together either, but they're a lot more correct than you are. And that's for certain. Let me give you an example. Proverbs 30:4. I have heard Sam use that verse to try and show an eternal Son. He actually did that in this debate. Yes, he actually did that. And that's the type of thing I'm talking about. It happens over and over. And to my horror, the oneness guy seemed to kind of go with it and tried to explain it away, when he should have just demolished it. He certainly seemed competent enough. But, as someone else here pointed out, Trinitarians are masters at twisting and manipulating Scripture. Sam would have made a pretty scary lawyer.
@@DK-nq9wv No it isn’t. Jesus is God’s only begotten Son who was conceived in Mary, and the voice is from his Heavenly Father, who sent his own Spirit upon Christ, which the dove symbolized.
Sam got him busted, because his (Pastor's) position isn't clear. I watched this without taking side, but in the end Sam answers are flawless while Ritchie plaiyed the game of smart people which is to skip the real question by trying another side of it to fool minds.
So am I to understand that oneness people believe that the baby who was born in Bethlehem and had to be potty-trained and had to grow in wisdom and didn't know when He would return is NOT the same person as the Father? Isn't this what Trinitarians believe?
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell? Proverbs 30:4
God is1️⃣ Worship Jesus Christ! Deuteronomy 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand. Revelations 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. James 2:19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe and shudder! Revelations 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. Blessings to you.
The oneness kept on saying omnipresent, thus the word Omnipresent written in the bible? Same with Omnipotent, Omniscient which are the attributes of God are not found word for word in the bible but the concept, essence and meaning can be found in the bible same like the word Trinity and Triune God . 🙏
Where this pastor came from? Where did he get wrong Bible ? Or he is not educated . Little knowledge is dangerous my uncle pastor. you need to repent in the name of Jesus thought you are pastor you need to repent again in the name of Jesus. Amen !!!!
Sam will win because the competitor is not strong. Challenge Dr David K Bernard or Pastor Gino Jennings, and Sam will learn more about the Word with those men of God.
@@brianhunte269 2 Timothy 4:3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths This verse fits u Brian because u have teachers u like and they are not truth. Gino tries and is better than td snakes but isn’t on the level of John MacArthur or Paul washer
Brothers! What in the world are you talking about? The Trinity is a doctrine and it's a word that's not in God's Word. Adding verbally or writing any words to God' Or using any words by justifying your beliefs one is in complete disobedience to God. We find the word operations in God's Word but not Trinity. I hope this opens your eyes and ears and hear what the Spirit of God is saying.
Neither is Bible, Omnipotent, Original Sin, or many other words and doctrines that are essential to the faith. Does that make them wrong to say or proclaim? Of course not. The Triune doctrine is laid out across scripture, and the term “Trinity” was coined later to describe what these verses were teaching. It’s the same as “Original Sin,” a later term meant to describe the teaching that we all have a sinful nature that we have inherited through the disobedience of Adam and Eve, and that our Lord Christ Jesus had to become flesh and die for us because sin had entered the world. Of course, this teaching isn’t an external invention, we can piece it together through St. Paul’s teachings in Romans, Psalm 51, and Genesis 3. The same exact logic and reasoning applies to the Trinity through applications of The Agony in the Garden of Gethsemane, John 1, Hebrews 1, Matthew 28:19, Genesis 19:24, etc.
Sorry, Jesus isn’t God, nor equal to God. He called our God and Father his God and Father at John 20:17. See also: 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 4 Now concerning the eating of food offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world and that there is no God but one. 5 For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him. And…… John 17:3 “This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.” The only true God…..
Sorry, Jesus is actually God. John 10:30-33, John 20:28-29. Concerning Jesus Christ, he was not only 100% God but also 100% man, and that will explain your verses.
Well, I dpint think Sam won this debate neither do I think Ps. Richie did. It was 50/50. I thought Sam wouls destroy Ps. Steve but that was not the case. They bitg sid well. Ps. David Bernard would do more...
“Heaven is My throne, And earth is My footstool. Where is the house that you will build Me? And where is the place of My rest? Isaiah 66:1 NASA could never find a physical place where there is a visible tangible throne. It is enlightening to know that most of the prophets who saw God actually opened their books with words like, “the heavens were opened and I saw visions of God (Ezekiel 1:10)”. Isaiah opened his book by writing, “The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz... (Isaiah 1:1)”. The prophet Daniel also claimed to have seen visions of God when he wrote in Daniel 7:13-14, “I kept looking IN THE NIGHT VISIONS, And behold, with the clouds of heaven one like the Son of man was coming, and he came up to the Ancient of Days (Dan. 7:13)”. Daniel clearly saw a prophetic vision of the Son of God coming before “the Ancient of Days” (the Father) which was a vision about a future event in heaven rather than a past event. Daniel’s vision was about a future event in heaven in which the ascended Messiah would be “given dominion, glory and a Kingdom that all peoples, nations and men of every language might serve him”. Since Christ Jesus is not yet reigning over a millennial kingdom as of yet, Jesus could not have had this dominion and glory over all peoples, nations, and languages of the earth given to him during the lifetime of the prophet Daniel. Even Trinitarian scholars affirm that God does not have a physical body that can be physically seen with human eyes. Robert Deffinbaugh (graduate of Dallas Theological Seminary) affirmed that God is Spirit and has no literal face or body. “Both the Old Testament and the New indicate to us that God has no form, that is, God has no physical body. God’s presence among men is spiritual, not physical. God is spirit, so that He is not restricted to one place, nor is worship any longer restricted to one place. God is invisible because He is spirit, not flesh”. Mr. Deffinbaugh went on to say, “God spoke to Moses ‘face to face,’ but He would not allow Moses to ‘see His face’. Therefore, seeing God ‘face to face’ is not the same thing as seeing God’s face. Speaking ‘face to face’ means speaking with someone on a personal, intimate basis as a friend speaks to a friend. A similar figure of speech is found in Numbers 14:13. ‘But Moses said to the Lord, Then the Egyptians will hear of it, for by Thy strength Thou didst bring up this people from their midst, 14 and they will tell it to the inhabitants of this land. They have heard that Thou, O Lord, art in the midst of this people, for Thou, O Lord, ART SEEN EYE TO EYE, while Thy cloud stands over them; and Thou dost go before them in a pillar of cloud by day and in a pillar of fire by night’” (Numbers 14:13-14). Mr. Deffinbaugh concludes, “God was ‘SEEN EYE TO EYE’ by the Israelites. In the context, this means that God made His presence known to the Israelites by the cloud which led them and which became a pillar of fire at night. It does not mean God has physical eyes and that the Israelites saw those eyes. God’s presence was with His people, and He made that presence known. But NOWHERE DID ANYONE SEE THE FACE OF GOD, BECAUSE GOD HAS NO FACE. God is Spirit and is not made of flesh. He is invisible to men because HE HAS NO BODY...” (Online Article, “The Invisibility of God”, Bible.org, Robert Deffinbaugh - graduate of Dallas Theological Seminary) We are not to think of the invisible God as literally having a giant nose or a giant mouth in the heavens as His invisible presence fills the heavens and the earth. For even Trinitarian Bible scholars have noted that our invisible God regularly used anthropomorphic language attributing human attributes to Himself so that we finites can understand the nature of His Infinite Being. Thus it is an undeniable scriptural fact that God always spoke of Himself with anthropomorphic attributes as one Individual rather than as three distinct persons which completely annihilates the idea of a Trinity. Exodus 33:20-23, “But He said, ‘YOU CANNOT SEE MY FACE , for no man can see Me and live!…22and it will come about, while My glory is passing by, that I will put you in the cleft of the rock and cover you with My hand until I have passed by. 23Then I will take My hand away and you shall see My back, but My face shall not be seen.’” HERE GOD SAID TO MOSES: "YOU CANNOT SEE MY FACE." Do Trinitarians really believe that God has a faceless or headless similitude? The Hebrew idiomatic expressions about the face of God, the eyes of God, or the similitude of God confirm that while Moses could not see the fullness of God's glorious presence, he could experience a deeper nearness or friendship with God than other prophets. God had granted Moses a special opening of his spiritual eyesight to see a portion (back parts anthropomorphically means a portion of God's glorious presence) of His glory in Exodus 33:23. For if Moses had actually been in the presence of the fullness of His glory he would have died. Here we see that the words “face to face” must be a Hebrew idiom for closeness or nearness to the divine presence rather than visually seeing God with a physical face or body. Moses was obviously much closer to the divine presence than the Israelites and most of the subsequent prophets because God spoke to him more directly than the majority of Old Testament prophets; yet even Moses could not see the fullness of God's glory (His Face), nor could Moses ever physically see the invisible God. "By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king; for he endured as seeing Him who is invisible." Heb. 11:27
You non-christian and deluded, if triniterian scholars would agree on anything what you said, they would be cursed satanical oneness, not triniterians, but they ARE triniterians. I.e. you are manipulating. Just like guy on the video and appealing to emotions. Sad stuff.
In Exodus 24:9-11 who do Moses and his companions see? [9] Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel: [10] And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. [11] And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink. They saw God, not the Father since no man can as Christ said has seen the Father. But they saw God the Son who is God indeed. True God from True God.
@@gimel77 When did I say diminished? What exactly do you to say by diminished in the first place? My statements concerned the fact that no man has seen the Father at anytime, neither have they seen his form. Jesus makes it clear that it was Himself and not the Father the prophets saw.
@@WelcomeToTruth yes i have debated him. Regarding Sam I really think you need to watch this quick 16 minute clip: th-cam.com/video/Cju--hoe1Qo/w-d-xo.html Shamoun ran away in the middle of the debate because he was getting beat
Your career is over,, no body want to hear your dialogue again,,, if you try you would be busted again. Don't challenge Christian to debate with your little knowledge, bring your top debaters with you next time. By the way Islam is a cult. not a religion but by fear Islam is a religion of peace 😂 I invite you to Come to Christian ,Jesus loves you ,Jesus is God , Jesus is Love , Jesus died for us and rose again , Jesus is the only way to Heaven. ,,,think think think think thousands times Islam is still opposite of good , opposite of Love , opposite of truth, opposite of God. ....stay away from Islam before it's too late my brother.
@@wimajangjang8301 maybe you can answer my question let's assume I'm the worst debater in the world a complete embarrassment to Islam. I posted it $1,000 challenge to give to charity if Sam Shamone just talks to me a simple talk not even a debate on the Koran the Bible in modern science. He refused. That doesn't make any sense. Certainly this should have been a win-win situation for him right? How do you explain?
@@zunir0a Nope, that’s about genealogy. Furthermore, Jesus does not need to be eternally a Son in order to be the incarnation of the eternal God. That’s really an oxymoron.
@@gimel77 Oh my God you really are. Ok. The author of Hebrews is making a note about the uniqueness of Melchizedek’s presentation in Genesis. Genesis, as you probably don’t know, has chapters just dedicated to listing out genealogies, and every major character in Genesis is accounted for. Except Melchizedek. He is important because, mind you, he’s the foundation for the messianic priesthood, and his status is greater than that of Aaron, of Moses, of Levi, and even of Abraham, so the fact that we don’t know ANYTHING about his genealogy is so shocking that the author of Hebrews uses it to make a Christological point. Melchizedek is presented with no mother and no father, no genealogy, no birth, and no death. The author of Hebrews points out that he was made this way to be assimilated to reflect the Son of God. Hebrews 7:3 doesn’t use the Greek term for creation ex-nihilo, but rather, “assimilate,” so this rules out saying The Son is created like Melchizedek. In some way, The Son of God does not have a mother, does not have a father, does not have a genealogy, does not have a beginning, and does not have an end. But wait, we KNOW that The Son has a genealogy (He has two, even,) and a mother, and a Father, that He was born and that He died… so what gives? This CLEARLY speaks of the Son being Divine and eternal distinct from The Father, for if it were speaking about The Father indwelling the Son, the author of Hebrews would’ve simply said it was The Father in The Son who Melchizedek was assimilated to.
I know how to resolve all this! If God says He has a Son, then doesn’t He have a Son? 🤐😬😂 Oneness have to jump through many loop holes to explain away their heresy! Repent!
Wow Praise God, for what brother Ritchie left us, Thank you God and Thank you brother Steven Ritchie, Who spome the truth, and absolutely glorified God with these answers, Om the other hand sam distorted scripture, made no sense, just like the trinitarians like to say the trinity makes a absolutely no sense whatsoever
@@kevinramsey2636 How can you Trinitarians read things into the text all over the place, and use manmade terms, and your position be true? How is that possible?
I'm looking and dissecting some of his arguments because I'm at a point where I truly don't know what the truth is. Some of Sams logic is foundationally flawed. He'll refer to the Hebrew and Greek often enough, but he doesn't seem to double check his nouns and pronouns. Sam has a lot of good talking points to fall back on and can overwhelm someone with scriptures. He misinterprets scripture and uses it for more trinitarian talking points. He's challenging my faith and I'm learning a lot. I pray that God will guide me through this and I will come to the truth, whatever that may be.
@@TaxEvasi0n Let the Bible interpret itself, and don't use man made terms, and you should be fine. You are right about Sam. Let me know if there is anything you'd like to discuss.
@@gimel77 Hey mate, I appreciate the comment. 9 months later and I'm a pretty solid Biblical Unitarian. I prayed and prayed, asked for confirmation and more guidance. I've concluded very strongly and heavily that the trinity is nonsensical, illogical, and escapes the natural, organic understanding of man. It's only understood through abstract metaphysics and philosophy, neither are taught in the Bible. Gods message has to be simple, straightforward and easy to understand. There is nothing simple, straightforward or easy to understand about the trinity. When I prayed specifically regarding this, I asked for the truth, in a way that I could see and understand it. I wish to worship God correctly. All I was shown, were the logical problems, nonsensical ideas, and the foolish interpretations of the trinity interpretation. Mind you, I was comparing both unitarianism and trinitarianism passages against eachother and tallying up what side is more responsible in it's interpretation. I found a lot of trinity passages to be incredibly unfounded and quite ostentatious, being that the belief was heavily applied to some scriptures. There are passages that are more ambiguous that I would give to the trinitarian, but for something that is claimed to be core doctrine and fundamental to salvation (the claim by trinitarians), I found no real support for and with everything else in mind, concluded that "the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine", and "God is not the author of confusion". If I am blind after praying fervently and diligently for the truth, eyes to see and ears to hear, then I truly have no hope if I am on the wrong side of the fence. It would take for Christs return for me to change my position, because then I would know 100% what the truth is under Christs millennium reign.
@@gimel77 Yes and no. Jesus is the express image of the Father. Jesus is the perfect representation of God. Deut 18:18 Gods words are in him. I think this is where we acknowledge the Hebrew/Jewish law of agency. I think it's wrong to technically say Jesus IS God, but grammatically it's true. I am not oneness, a lot of my trinitarian positions conflict with that too. I see Jesus and God as Father and Son, as simply as we understand it. We are not our sons, nor our fathers, but we bear their image, we like our fathers, and our sons like us. So I see Jesus and God as not the same entity, but Jesus after his Father, doing His will, making Him known. I hope I explained my position clearly.
Sam’s logic is dumb. Abraham , Moses, Ezekiel, Isaiah all saw God. So Jesus was lying according to his logic. Jesus literally said Nobody has seen God in his spiritual nature
Oneness defense is too weak to stand against trinity doctrine...In practice as well are many legalism and man made ordinances and doctrine within their congregations. Misinterpretation of the bible contexts are being grasped to fit their theology that Jesus is the Father and the Holy Spirit neglecting other passages that shows the clear distinct identity of the Triune God.
Very good Sam Shamoun , l’m glad for you. You are a beautiful men of God. Your are defending the Trinity witch l believe all my life. I pray for You that the Lord give you wisdom and understanding from the Bible.
Sam demolished him, to God be the Glory. In the name of Jesus Christ .
Trinitarianism is wrong. I can go through all the Scriptures and prove it. Sam is wrong.
And I think you Trinitarians know how much you twist Scripture. Because you do it. And you have to use man made terms to describe your doctrine.
And that's why we're still debating this. Because you guys are wrong. Maybe the Oneness people out there don't have it all together either, but they're a lot more correct than you are. And that's for certain.
Let me give you an example. Proverbs 30:4. I have heard Sam use that verse to try and show an eternal Son. He actually did that in this debate. Yes, he actually did that. And that's the type of thing I'm talking about. It happens over and over. And to my horror, the oneness guy seemed to kind of go with it and tried to explain it away, when he should have just demolished it. He certainly seemed competent enough. But, as someone else here pointed out, Trinitarians are masters at twisting and manipulating Scripture. Sam would have made a pretty scary lawyer.
@@DK-nq9wv No it isn’t. Jesus is God’s only begotten Son who was conceived in Mary, and the voice is from his Heavenly Father, who sent his own Spirit upon Christ, which the dove symbolized.
Sam got him busted, because his (Pastor's) position isn't clear. I watched this without taking side, but in the end Sam answers are flawless while Ritchie plaiyed the game of smart people which is to skip the real question by trying another side of it to fool minds.
That's ridiculous.
So am I to understand that oneness people believe that the baby who was born in Bethlehem and had to be potty-trained and had to grow in wisdom and didn't know when He would return is NOT the same person as the Father? Isn't this what Trinitarians believe?
Sam shamoun cooked bro. Glory to our triune God.
Trinity god doesnt exist in the bible
Sam gave an exccellent answer to Matthew 24:36, well done.
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Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?
Proverbs 30:4
God is1️⃣ Worship Jesus Christ!
Deuteronomy 32:39
See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
Revelations 4:2
And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
James 2:19
You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe and shudder!
Revelations 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Blessings to you.
God is one what?
Sound system is very poor both part 1 and2.....
The oneness kept on saying omnipresent, thus the word Omnipresent written in the bible? Same with Omnipotent, Omniscient which are the attributes of God are not found word for word in the bible but the concept, essence and meaning can be found in the bible same like the word Trinity and Triune God . 🙏
Sam wins
Where this pastor came from? Where did he get wrong Bible ? Or he is not educated . Little knowledge is dangerous my uncle pastor. you need to repent in the name of Jesus thought you are pastor you need to repent again in the name of Jesus. Amen !!!!
Sam is smooth...😎
First to comment
Sam will win because the competitor is not strong. Challenge Dr David K Bernard or Pastor Gino Jennings, and Sam will learn more about the Word with those men of God.
Gino Jennings is too dumb and slow. He would get destroyed by Sam
Amen
Sam shamoun would utterly destroy those 2 men in a debate.
@@BobFam-xl8eo Sam would beat an actual apostle? No way. Gino calls himself an apostle 🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@brianhunte269 2 Timothy 4:3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths
This verse fits u Brian because u have teachers u like and they are not truth. Gino tries and is better than td snakes but isn’t on the level of John MacArthur or Paul washer
The incoherence of oneness theology on full display.
Trinitarian bias and Scripture twisting on full display.
@@gimel77 Oneness theology is incoherent. Prove me wrong.
@@andys3035 How about Luke 1:35? What’s so incoherent about that?
@@gimel77 what about Luke 1:35?
@@andys3035 The Son was conceived by the Holy Ghost and formed in Mary. That’s why he’s called the “Son of God.”
Brothers! What in the world are you talking about? The Trinity is a doctrine and it's a word that's not in God's Word. Adding verbally or writing any words to God'
Or using any words by justifying your beliefs one is in complete disobedience to God. We find the word operations in God's Word but not Trinity. I hope this opens your eyes and ears and hear what the Spirit of God is saying.
Neither is Bible, Omnipotent, Original Sin, or many other words and doctrines that are essential to the faith. Does that make them wrong to say or proclaim? Of course not. The Triune doctrine is laid out across scripture, and the term “Trinity” was coined later to describe what these verses were teaching. It’s the same as “Original Sin,” a later term meant to describe the teaching that we all have a sinful nature that we have inherited through the disobedience of Adam and Eve, and that our Lord Christ Jesus had to become flesh and die for us because sin had entered the world. Of course, this teaching isn’t an external invention, we can piece it together through St. Paul’s teachings in Romans, Psalm 51, and Genesis 3. The same exact logic and reasoning applies to the Trinity through applications of The Agony in the Garden of Gethsemane, John 1, Hebrews 1, Matthew 28:19, Genesis 19:24, etc.
Godhead.
Sorry, Jesus isn’t God, nor equal to God. He called our God and Father his God and Father at John 20:17.
See also:
1 Corinthians 8:4-6
4 Now concerning the eating of food offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world and that there is no God but one. 5 For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
And……
John 17:3 “This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.”
The only true God…..
Sorry, Jesus is actually God. John 10:30-33, John 20:28-29. Concerning Jesus Christ, he was not only 100% God but also 100% man, and that will explain your verses.
Well, I dpint think Sam won this debate neither do I think Ps. Richie did. It was 50/50. I thought Sam wouls destroy Ps. Steve but that was not the case. They bitg sid well.
Ps. David Bernard would do more...
“Heaven is My throne, And earth is My footstool. Where is the house that you will build Me? And where is the place of My rest? Isaiah 66:1 NASA could never find a physical place where there is a visible tangible throne.
It is enlightening to know that most of the prophets who saw God actually opened their books with words like, “the heavens were opened and I saw visions of God (Ezekiel 1:10)”. Isaiah opened his book by writing, “The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz... (Isaiah 1:1)”. The prophet Daniel also claimed to have seen visions of God when he wrote in Daniel 7:13-14, “I kept looking IN THE NIGHT VISIONS, And behold, with the clouds of heaven one like the Son of man was coming, and he came up to the Ancient of Days (Dan. 7:13)”.
Daniel clearly saw a prophetic vision of the Son of God coming before “the Ancient of Days” (the Father) which was a vision about a future event in heaven rather than a past event. Daniel’s vision was about a future event in heaven in which the ascended Messiah would be “given dominion, glory and a Kingdom that all peoples, nations and men of every language might serve him”. Since Christ Jesus is not yet reigning over a millennial kingdom as of yet, Jesus could not have had this dominion and glory over all peoples, nations, and languages of the earth given to him during the lifetime of the prophet Daniel.
Even Trinitarian scholars affirm that God does not have a physical body that can be physically seen with human eyes. Robert Deffinbaugh (graduate of Dallas Theological Seminary) affirmed that God is Spirit and has no literal face or body.
“Both the Old Testament and the New indicate to us that God has no form, that is, God has no physical body. God’s presence among men is spiritual, not physical. God is spirit, so that He is not restricted to one place, nor is worship any longer restricted to one place. God is invisible because He is spirit, not flesh”.
Mr. Deffinbaugh went on to say, “God spoke to Moses ‘face to face,’ but He would not allow Moses to ‘see His face’. Therefore, seeing God ‘face to face’ is not the same thing as seeing God’s face. Speaking ‘face to face’ means speaking with someone on a personal, intimate basis as a friend speaks to a friend. A similar figure of speech is found in Numbers 14:13. ‘But Moses said to the Lord, Then the Egyptians will hear of it, for by Thy strength Thou didst bring up this people from their midst, 14 and they will tell it to the inhabitants of this land. They have heard that Thou, O Lord, art in the midst of this people, for Thou, O Lord, ART SEEN EYE TO EYE, while Thy cloud stands over them; and Thou dost go before them in a pillar of cloud by day and in a pillar of fire by night’” (Numbers 14:13-14).
Mr. Deffinbaugh concludes, “God was ‘SEEN EYE TO EYE’ by the Israelites. In the context, this means that God made His presence known to the Israelites by the cloud which led them and which became a pillar of fire at night. It does not mean God has physical eyes and that the Israelites saw those eyes. God’s presence was with His people, and He made that presence known. But NOWHERE DID ANYONE SEE THE FACE OF GOD, BECAUSE GOD HAS NO FACE. God is Spirit and is not made of flesh. He is invisible to men because HE HAS NO BODY...” (Online Article, “The Invisibility of God”, Bible.org, Robert Deffinbaugh - graduate of Dallas Theological Seminary)
We are not to think of the invisible God as literally having a giant nose or a giant mouth in the heavens as His invisible presence fills the heavens and the earth. For even Trinitarian Bible scholars have noted that our invisible God regularly used anthropomorphic language attributing human attributes to Himself so that we finites can understand the nature of His Infinite Being. Thus it is an undeniable scriptural fact that God always spoke of Himself with anthropomorphic attributes as one Individual rather than as three distinct persons which completely annihilates the idea of a Trinity.
Exodus 33:20-23, “But He said, ‘YOU CANNOT SEE MY FACE , for no man can see Me and live!…22and it will come about, while My glory is passing by, that I will put you in the cleft of the rock and cover you with My hand until I have passed by. 23Then I will take My hand away and you shall see My back, but My face shall not be seen.’”
HERE GOD SAID TO MOSES: "YOU CANNOT SEE MY FACE." Do Trinitarians really believe that God has a faceless or headless similitude?
The Hebrew idiomatic expressions about the face of God, the eyes of God, or the similitude of God confirm that while Moses could not see the fullness of God's glorious presence, he could experience a deeper nearness or friendship with God than other prophets. God had granted Moses a special opening of his spiritual eyesight to see a portion (back parts anthropomorphically means a portion of God's glorious presence) of His glory in Exodus 33:23. For if Moses had actually been in the presence of the fullness of His glory he would have died. Here we see that the words “face to face” must be a Hebrew idiom for closeness or nearness to the divine presence rather than visually seeing God with a physical face or body. Moses was obviously much closer to the divine presence than the Israelites and most of the subsequent prophets because God spoke to him more directly than the majority of Old Testament prophets; yet even Moses could not see the fullness of God's glory (His Face), nor could Moses ever physically see the invisible God.
"By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king; for he endured as seeing Him who is invisible." Heb. 11:27
You non-christian and deluded, if triniterian scholars would agree on anything what you said, they would be cursed satanical oneness, not triniterians, but they ARE triniterians. I.e. you are manipulating. Just like guy on the video and appealing to emotions. Sad stuff.
In Exodus 24:9-11 who do Moses and his companions see?
[9] Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:
[10] And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. [11] And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.
They saw God, not the Father since no man can as Christ said has seen the Father. But they saw God the Son who is God indeed. True God from True God.
@@boardbill5852Okay, so according to you, “God the Son” is a diminished form of the Father?
@@gimel77 When did I say diminished? What exactly do you to say by diminished in the first place? My statements concerned the fact that no man has seen the Father at anytime, neither have they seen his form. Jesus makes it clear that it was Himself and not the Father the prophets saw.
@@boardbill5852 Jesus never said anything of the sort.
hi , I am a Muslim apologist, perhaps we can start a dialogue on Islam and Christianity.
Hi, I am sure Sam Shamoun from TH-cam channel Shamounian would be more than happy to engage in that conversation. Thanks for the comment
@@WelcomeToTruth yes i have debated him. Regarding Sam I really think you need to watch this quick 16 minute clip: th-cam.com/video/Cju--hoe1Qo/w-d-xo.html Shamoun ran away in the middle of the debate because he was getting beat
Attention seeker... If you don't know this guy - oh well, it speaks about itself then)
Your career is over,, no body want to hear your dialogue again,,, if you try you would be busted again. Don't challenge Christian to debate with your little knowledge, bring your top debaters with you next time. By the way Islam is a cult. not a religion but by fear Islam is a religion of peace 😂 I invite you to Come to Christian ,Jesus loves you ,Jesus is God , Jesus is Love , Jesus died for us and rose again , Jesus is the only way to Heaven. ,,,think think think think thousands times Islam is still opposite of good , opposite of Love , opposite of truth, opposite of God. ....stay away from Islam before it's too late my brother.
@@wimajangjang8301 maybe you can answer my question let's assume I'm the worst debater in the world a complete embarrassment to Islam. I posted it $1,000 challenge to give to charity if Sam Shamone just talks to me a simple talk not even a debate on the Koran the Bible in modern science. He refused. That doesn't make any sense. Certainly this should have been a win-win situation for him right? How do you explain?
Eternal son????
Hebrews 7:3
@@zunir0a Nope, that’s about genealogy. Furthermore, Jesus does not need to be eternally a Son in order to be the incarnation of the eternal God. That’s really an oxymoron.
@@gimel77 The Son of God is explicitly stated to have no beginning or end. Are you seriously this dense?
@@zunir0a Okay, so Melchizedek is “God the Son”?
@@gimel77 Oh my God you really are. Ok.
The author of Hebrews is making a note about the uniqueness of Melchizedek’s presentation in Genesis. Genesis, as you probably don’t know, has chapters just dedicated to listing out genealogies, and every major character in Genesis is accounted for. Except Melchizedek. He is important because, mind you, he’s the foundation for the messianic priesthood, and his status is greater than that of Aaron, of Moses, of Levi, and even of Abraham, so the fact that we don’t know ANYTHING about his genealogy is so shocking that the author of Hebrews uses it to make a Christological point. Melchizedek is presented with no mother and no father, no genealogy, no birth, and no death. The author of Hebrews points out that he was made this way to be assimilated to reflect the Son of God. Hebrews 7:3 doesn’t use the Greek term for creation ex-nihilo, but rather, “assimilate,” so this rules out saying The Son is created like Melchizedek. In some way, The Son of God does not have a mother, does not have a father, does not have a genealogy, does not have a beginning, and does not have an end. But wait, we KNOW that The Son has a genealogy (He has two, even,) and a mother, and a Father, that He was born and that He died… so what gives? This CLEARLY speaks of the Son being Divine and eternal distinct from The Father, for if it were speaking about The Father indwelling the Son, the author of Hebrews would’ve simply said it was The Father in The Son who Melchizedek was assimilated to.
I know how to resolve all this! If God says He has a Son, then doesn’t He have a Son? 🤐😬😂
Oneness have to jump through many loop holes to explain away their heresy! Repent!
Wow Praise God, for what brother Ritchie left us, Thank you God and Thank you brother Steven Ritchie,
Who spome the truth, and absolutely glorified God with these answers,
Om the other hand sam distorted scripture, made no sense, just like the trinitarians like to say the trinity makes a absolutely no sense whatsoever
he preached another gospel
richie knows the truth now sad he didn't believe it when he was here Sabin to
@@kevinramsey2636 How can you Trinitarians read things into the text all over the place, and use manmade terms, and your position be true? How is that possible?
The only thing Sam has is a good memory. H's super ignorant on the bible.
I'm looking and dissecting some of his arguments because I'm at a point where I truly don't know what the truth is. Some of Sams logic is foundationally flawed. He'll refer to the Hebrew and Greek often enough, but he doesn't seem to double check his nouns and pronouns. Sam has a lot of good talking points to fall back on and can overwhelm someone with scriptures. He misinterprets scripture and uses it for more trinitarian talking points.
He's challenging my faith and I'm learning a lot. I pray that God will guide me through this and I will come to the truth, whatever that may be.
@@TaxEvasi0n Let the Bible interpret itself, and don't use man made terms, and you should be fine. You are right about Sam. Let me know if there is anything you'd like to discuss.
@@gimel77 Hey mate, I appreciate the comment. 9 months later and I'm a pretty solid Biblical Unitarian. I prayed and prayed, asked for confirmation and more guidance. I've concluded very strongly and heavily that the trinity is nonsensical, illogical, and escapes the natural, organic understanding of man. It's only understood through abstract metaphysics and philosophy, neither are taught in the Bible. Gods message has to be simple, straightforward and easy to understand. There is nothing simple, straightforward or easy to understand about the trinity.
When I prayed specifically regarding this, I asked for the truth, in a way that I could see and understand it. I wish to worship God correctly. All I was shown, were the logical problems, nonsensical ideas, and the foolish interpretations of the trinity interpretation. Mind you, I was comparing both unitarianism and trinitarianism passages against eachother and tallying up what side is more responsible in it's interpretation. I found a lot of trinity passages to be incredibly unfounded and quite ostentatious, being that the belief was heavily applied to some scriptures. There are passages that are more ambiguous that I would give to the trinitarian, but for something that is claimed to be core doctrine and fundamental to salvation (the claim by trinitarians), I found no real support for and with everything else in mind, concluded that "the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine", and "God is not the author of confusion".
If I am blind after praying fervently and diligently for the truth, eyes to see and ears to hear, then I truly have no hope if I am on the wrong side of the fence. It would take for Christs return for me to change my position, because then I would know 100% what the truth is under Christs millennium reign.
@@TaxEvasi0n I’m very glad to hear you rejected the Trinitarian view. Do you believe that Jesus is God manifest in flesh, as 1 Timothy 3:16 says?
@@gimel77 Yes and no. Jesus is the express image of the Father. Jesus is the perfect representation of God. Deut 18:18 Gods words are in him. I think this is where we acknowledge the Hebrew/Jewish law of agency. I think it's wrong to technically say Jesus IS God, but grammatically it's true. I am not oneness, a lot of my trinitarian positions conflict with that too. I see Jesus and God as Father and Son, as simply as we understand it. We are not our sons, nor our fathers, but we bear their image, we like our fathers, and our sons like us. So I see Jesus and God as not the same entity, but Jesus after his Father, doing His will, making Him known.
I hope I explained my position clearly.
Hassamo is a deceiver!!!
Sam’s logic is dumb. Abraham , Moses, Ezekiel, Isaiah all saw God. So Jesus was lying according to his logic. Jesus literally said Nobody has seen God in his spiritual nature
Yes they saw God, but not the Father. No man has seen the Father. What they saw was the person of God the Son.
@@boardbill5852 Sorry for my comment, i was a Unitarian then. God led me to The Catholic Church 🥰
@@amaledward2147all glory to the Father Son and Holy Spirit, welcome home.
@@Bornagaincatholic101 thanks Brother 🥹
@@boardbill5852 So God the Son is a diminished form of God that we can "see"?
Oneness defense is too weak to stand against trinity doctrine...In practice as well are many legalism and man made ordinances and doctrine within their congregations. Misinterpretation of the bible contexts are being grasped to fit their theology that Jesus is the Father and the Holy Spirit neglecting other passages that shows the clear distinct identity of the Triune God.
Trinitarians are masters at twisting scriptures